1 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: Hey, there are folks from Italy once again. And in 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 1: this episode, Rabak and I explain why we really want 3 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: to get back home. Also in this episode, while we 4 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: kind of don't want to come home at all, and 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: with a with that, welcome to this episode of Amy 6 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: and TJ. Robys explain the setting again, where we are 7 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: and why you were you were hoping I wasn't going 8 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: to say we should record this podcast from where we 9 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: actually are. 10 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 2: Yes, because the real field temperature is ninety nine degrees feel, 11 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 2: you know, I love the real feel, the humidity. Yes, 12 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 2: it's hot in Rome, and I know it's hot in 13 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 2: a lot of places, but yes, it is a hot 14 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 2: city here. And so yes, we have a lovely air 15 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 2: conditioned apartment that we're staying in, but we are instead 16 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 2: out on the terrace enjoying the heat that you say 17 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 2: recharges you. 18 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: It is. I don't know if I'm a freak about it. 19 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: I'm just the weird dude in that way. But yes, 20 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: I like when the sun hits me. It's almost like 21 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: it's an energy boost. It does. It feels like a 22 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: character on a video game where you get recharged and 23 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 1: you see the energy that battery level go up. That's 24 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: how it feels to me when the sun hits me 25 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: while you're trying to escape and walk in the shade. 26 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 2: Yes, so I feel the opposite where I feel my 27 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 2: energy being like depleted, like it's being sucked out of me. 28 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 2: So yes, it's a very different experience. But I am 29 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 2: in the shade, that's the good compromise. I'm not in 30 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 2: the sun out of balcony. Yeah. 31 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 1: So I'm feeling good and we have had a great trip. 32 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: The trips has been fantastic. There was you finally snapped 33 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: at me the other day. We're not going to get 34 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: into that now. We'll get that into that on a 35 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: later episode. But it's been so weird to be here 36 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: and out of pocket. When it comes to news, we 37 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: are actually in a place that we cannot watch live 38 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: local television, so we'd have to really go through an 39 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: effort to try to find it to figure it out. 40 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: So we haven't been keeping up necessarily with the news 41 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: other than news alerts and whatnot. 42 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 2: Be being yes, and thank goodness for those, because we 43 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 2: haven't even passed one newspaper. You mentioned that, you know, 44 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 2: we're walking the streets here and for days now and 45 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 2: I have not seen one newsstand. I haven't seen one newspaper, 46 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,119 Speaker 2: which is maybe it's a New York thing. I don't 47 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 2: know that you have the expectation that you would. So 48 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 2: when we woke up this morning in Rome, yeah, we 49 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 2: woke up to the shocking news that I guess most 50 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 2: people saw when it happened, as it happened, former President 51 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 2: Trump out on the campaign rally with an assassination attempt. 52 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 2: And we watched the video and it felt weird to 53 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 2: be so far away. 54 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: And I haven't Yeah, I'm the early rise or anybody 55 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: listened to us. No, I'm always up and awaken. I 56 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: try to leave you alone. This was one this morning. 57 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: I said I needed to tell you were dead asleep, yep, 58 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: And I just wanted to pass that along. Do you remember, though, 59 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: you had a little time now to take it in 60 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: and we talked about it and what did it being 61 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: all these things, but with that first reaction of your 62 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: was when you heard it, Well. 63 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 2: It just makes you feel sick, sick that we're in 64 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 2: a place where that could still happen. And that's scary 65 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 2: to me because I actually, because I am older than you, 66 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 2: I so remember the last presidential assassination attempt, which was 67 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 2: President Ronald Reagan. And I believe I might be fact 68 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 2: checked on this one, but I was in second grade, 69 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 2: so it was nineteen eighty one, nineteen eighty two. It 70 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 2: was between the two of those, and I remember as 71 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 2: a kid being scared and feeling threatened and feeling just 72 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: it was. It's alarming, and it makes you feel insecure 73 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 2: in every way. 74 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: It doesn't happen to us. That's the thing. We see 75 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: this stuff happening overseas. We have seen it happen other 76 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: countries and places that are unstable. The fact that someone 77 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: actually took a shot at President Trump and almost killed him. 78 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: Now for a worst case scenario, it was a millimeter away, 79 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: best case scenario, even it was inches away. 80 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 2: Either way, an inch away the most it could. 81 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: We almost had a president's or candidate killed. It's just 82 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: that feeling of that January sixth feeling, or you're watching 83 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: live images of Wait a minute, this is the United States, 84 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: this is happening. 85 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 2: How is this happening? 86 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: How is that happening? This is not a political thing. 87 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: This is not a whatever you think about him, everything 88 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: about Biden, that's not what it's about. How the hell 89 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: are we here? 90 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 2: But the scary thing is you know that that's what 91 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 2: it's all going to be about. That's the thing. You know, 92 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 2: whatever the intention and whatever the motive, you know, we 93 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 2: may never fully know. We'll have to wait and see 94 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 2: on that. I know, we just got worried that the 95 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 2: shooter at the alleged shooter was reportedly a registered Republican, 96 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 2: So I mean, who knows what was behind the shooting. 97 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 2: But regardless, this is going to be a disgusting political 98 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 2: football that is going to be thrown around in such 99 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 2: a sad way. I think it's just been really sad 100 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 2: to watch all of the coverage and where we are 101 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 2: as a nation. It's it's credibly alarming, and to see 102 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 2: it result in this kind of violence for whatever reason 103 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 2: is deeply, deeply disturbing. There's no one who loves our 104 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 2: country who shouldn't be massively concerned about where we are 105 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 2: and where we're headed. 106 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: You know, we talked about that. I wonder and everybody 107 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: ask yourself an honest question. When you heard that President 108 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: Trump that somebody took a shot at him, what was 109 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: your reaction? Also when you heard that he has survived 110 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 1: the attempt, what was your reaction? I don't need do 111 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: You don't need to go post it, you don't need 112 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: to go talk about it. Daniel, just ask yourself where 113 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: you are personally to hear when you heard that somebody 114 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: took a shot at a guy that's running for president, 115 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: and if you're react, I don't know. I just wonder 116 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: how people being honest with themselves. 117 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 2: The concern that I think you're referencing is when you're 118 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 2: asking yourself, was there a part of you, yes, that 119 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 2: was deeply disturbed and scared and upset and saddened, or 120 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 2: was there a part of you that had an opposite feeling? 121 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 2: Like that's an indication that we're not looking at people 122 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 2: candidates as human beings. And I think because we get 123 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 2: so desensitized by our political beliefs or what news we 124 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 2: choose to look at or use for our point of reference, 125 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 2: you get into this tribal mentality where it's us versus them, 126 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 2: and then you almost you feel something that is less 127 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 2: than human about other people. And that is what's scary 128 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 2: to me. 129 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: And so yeah, here we are, right. If there's somebody 130 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: on the other side of that say, oh, they took 131 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: a shot at our guy, then I guess came on, 132 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: like you take a shot at their guy. This is 133 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: what we're doing now, and I just it's not what 134 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: we do. I don't know what's going on with this 135 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: young man, how disturbed he might have been, how he 136 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: could have been influenced. All those answers will come, but 137 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: there's just it's nineteen fifty years ago. It's just it's 138 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: not what we do. It's not at all what we're 139 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: supposed to be doing. And the image that we you 140 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 1: and I, we don't have politics here, right, but that 141 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: image now of President Trump, blood coming down his ear, 142 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: his face and he's actually putting his fists in the 143 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: air saying fight Now, that image is iconic. It will 144 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: go down in the history of this country. But there's 145 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: somebody out there, there's somebodies out there who see that 146 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: as maybe a rallying crime. You get concerned about he 147 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: just gave me my marching orders, and you're worried that 148 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: there's another disturbed individual out there who will see it 149 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: as such. 150 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 2: I think you and I and I know that I 151 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 2: can speak to my career in journalism and having covered gosh, 152 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 2: I just feel like so many school shootings and terror attacks, 153 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 2: it's just it's scary. It's alarming. We know, like as journalists, 154 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 2: we don't cover suicides because we don't want to inspire 155 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 2: other people to do the same for some sort of 156 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 2: glorifying effect. The same is true now. When we got 157 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 2: to a point where we were covering so many mass shootings, 158 00:07:55,920 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 2: school shootings to whatever, domestic terrorism, we stopped talking about 159 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 2: the shooter, which I'm not even gonna mention his name 160 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 2: here on this podcast for that very reason, because you 161 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 2: don't want people to think they then get some sort 162 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,679 Speaker 2: of fame, some infamy, some you know, something that puts 163 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 2: their name in the history book. So it's just it 164 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 2: is scary to me with something like this that there 165 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 2: are potentially copycat or retaliatory potential here. It's just scary. 166 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 2: The whole thing is just frightening. And to be overseas 167 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 2: and to be disconnected from the States just feels a 168 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 2: little strange. 169 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: You know, what does it feel like that to you there? 170 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: It's been a couple of these have happened, I suppose, 171 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: but we know, given the positions we had our former jobs, 172 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: when news happens, we were gone, we were on the road. 173 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: This is unlike so we've seen so many things like 174 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: we would have been there, we would have been covering that, 175 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: and you we don't see it and we say I 176 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: could have done a better job, and that kind of 177 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: a thing. But you just look at it and feel 178 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: like you're on the outs from what you from what 179 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: you used to do. Yeah, i'd be honest with yourself 180 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: about that sometimes how that feels. But you also have 181 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: to be and you and I have come it to 182 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: peace with it, but that thing still is kind of 183 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: there sometimes when the story some stories this big happened. 184 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, as an adult, if oh, in the last twenty years, 185 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 2: if anything major happened, yeah, I would have assumed that 186 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 2: I was going to be on a plane heading somewhere. Yeah, 187 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 2: So it's it is different and no matter where I 188 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 2: was in the world, I'd be on a plane heading wherever. 189 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 2: So just you know, to not But it's been interesting 190 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 2: watching the car. We've been able to watch a little 191 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 2: bit of coverage. 192 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: There's only one actually network we can get on our laptop, 193 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,319 Speaker 1: and it's interesting watching that, right, that's the. 194 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 2: One we can watch here in nationals. So we've been 195 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 2: watching Fox News's coverage of the attempted assassination, and that's 196 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 2: you know, that's that's what we've been doing for several 197 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 2: hours here in Rome, watching it from Afar. But yes, 198 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 2: and just interestingly, both of my daughters are in Europe too, 199 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 2: so we've all been just texting each other about what happened. 200 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 2: And you know, I don't. It's weird because we're here 201 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 2: and there aren't interestingly that many Americans, and it you 202 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 2: wouldn't know anything had happened in the world from being 203 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 2: out today just seeing everyone. It's a sunday here in Rome. 204 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 2: And it's because maybe because we don't have access to newspapers, 205 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 2: we haven't seen them there. It's you would never have 206 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,079 Speaker 2: known if we hadn't had these smartphones, if you didn't 207 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 2: have news alerts on your phones, like you would not 208 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 2: know that anything had happened, which is kind of insane. 209 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: It stings, I mean, it sucks to be. It's a 210 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: weird thing to where you you all obviously were not 211 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: the people that the country turns to, right, it's not 212 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: that kind of a situation, but you feel like something 213 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: is going on at home. We need to get home, right, 214 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: we need to it just it's a weird thing. You 215 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: feel like that, almost as if like you're something happened 216 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: with your kid at home. I got to cut the 217 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: trip short. Need to get back. It feels like a 218 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: weird thing about the United States is Jesus crime any 219 00:10:52,160 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 1: I know. That's where we're going. The bad news just 220 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: keeps coming. Now, that's an awful story there when I 221 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: say the bad news keeps coming in that since we've 222 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: got here, legends have been falling. Yeah, legends. And if 223 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: you all can hear in the back drop, we got 224 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: another A lot of churches here. 225 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 2: Church, yes, they they happen quite frequently on the hour. 226 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: Actually, what would you compare it to in the United States? 227 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 1: Church is here as much as the Starbucks is in Manhattan. 228 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 2: I mean it's yes, I know this is is this 229 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 2: called the Enlightened City, but I feel like it's a 230 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 2: holy It's obviously a holy city. But there are basilicas everywhere. 231 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 2: I think we have two basilicas just that I can 232 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 2: see right now. There are domes and you laugh because 233 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 2: I love saying that word. 234 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: You see, Yes, basilically. 235 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 2: There are so many around here. But yes, the church 236 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 2: best soul. And then apropos today. Apropos today, just because 237 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 2: I think also catching up on news. You know, I 238 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 2: don't know if it's there's any truth to this, and 239 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 2: if this was anything outside of the New World, but 240 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 2: in our world, in the news world, we used to 241 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 2: always say people died in threes, and so if there 242 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,319 Speaker 2: was somebody important who died in the second person, you 243 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 2: always knew there was a third. But we've actually had 244 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 2: four people who have passed in the last four days 245 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 2: that have been just such a huge part of our 246 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 2: culture and our lives in a lot of ways, personally 247 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 2: for me one of them, but just in so many ways, 248 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 2: people who we grew up with, who we looked up to. 249 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 2: And it started July eleventh, correct, when we lost Shelley Duval. 250 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,599 Speaker 1: Shelley July eleventh, Shelley de Val, July twelfth. 251 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 2: July twelfth was doctor Ruth. Thirteenth, that was Richard Simmons. 252 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: And then July fourteenth, which is we got. 253 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 2: Up to the news Shannon Doherty. 254 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: Shannon Doherty. So that's four straight days. Wow, four folks 255 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: who not just these folks aren't just famous, These folks 256 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: are legendary. These folks are iconic, part of something arconic. 257 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: They have they have been cultural game changes. It's bizarre. 258 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: Boom boom boom boom, and it's been weird to get 259 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: the the news every day. Of course, go back to 260 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: Chilley Devall. We have anybody who listens knows where horror 261 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: movie horror movie fanatics, and if the Shining on your. 262 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 2: List, yeah, I mean she and she just nailed that 263 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 2: role and just such an iconic part of that movie. 264 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 2: But just anyone who loves horror movies, you know who 265 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 2: Chelley Devall is. You saw her genius in that movie 266 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 2: and she will be sorely. But she was seventy six, 267 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 2: I believe, So she was so young when she did 268 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 2: The Shining. I was thinking back to how young she 269 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:40,959 Speaker 2: was at that point. 270 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, I didn't realize how because when you when 271 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: you just told me short time ago she was seventy six, 272 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: Like really that's it these days, that seems young and 273 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: she's just been around so long that I'm shocked that 274 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: that was her age. And we of course Shining. But 275 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: as a kid, I mean Popeye was a big deal. 276 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 2: Well she was all its olive oil. 277 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: And to uh yeah, I was two or three when 278 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: that movie came out, Robin Williams as freaking Popeye and 279 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: it was a favorite for me as a kid. But 280 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: she she had a unique look to her. She was talented, 281 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: and olive oil was the character. It seems like I 282 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: think even the producer director that this was she was 283 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: born to play Olive Oils. 284 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 2: She really was. 285 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: It sounds like a weird compliment, but it is a compliment. 286 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 2: And she she will be missed. And I think we're 287 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 2: going to be watching the shining here and the next 288 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 2: day to you know, we're going to do that. 289 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: Yes, And then so doctor Ruth Nix, that's. 290 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 2: Amazing, incredible, incredible, and she helped so many couples, so 291 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 2: many ways. I actually, did you ever get to interview her? 292 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: I met so she. 293 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 2: Came on MSNBC. Uh, I don't even know, way back when, 294 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 2: and she was just always, oh my goodness. And I 295 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 2: remember she was just bold and a believer in talking 296 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 2: about sex in a way that nobody was ready to 297 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 2: I certainly was it raised that way. And I loved 298 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 2: her just pushing a topic and a concept and something 299 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 2: that is so important that we don't talk about. I 300 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 2: love how she rushed it. 301 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: I have it right. She wasn't, she wasn't vulgar. She 302 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: was just talking about it at a time where women 303 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: were not supposed to be talking about such things, right, correct? 304 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: So these days a A, A Megan the Stallion or 305 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: a right, we talk about we celebrate women who are 306 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: so open about there about sex, about sexuality. I only 307 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: mentioned two rappers there, but I mean, yeah, from TV 308 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: shows to who whatever it may be, she was doing 309 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: it before all of them. 310 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I remember she made me blush like I 311 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 2: just thought, oh my gosh. Wow. But and she lived 312 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 2: a long, beautiful life. 313 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: What did she say to you to make you blushed? 314 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 2: Well, honestly, oh my god. Being raised the way I was, no, no, no, no, 315 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 2: just saying the word sex, like what did you just say? No? 316 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 2: She was won and she did change so many people's 317 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 2: lives for the better. So she is also and the 318 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 2: work she did in the books she wrote live on 319 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 2: and that is her legend for sure. 320 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: A life, a long life. There's a And again I 321 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: know Shelley de Vall, Richard Simmons, doctor Ruth Shannon Doherty. 322 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 2: This. 323 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: Anytime somebody passes, it's it's supposed to be sad. It's 324 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: supposed to me, and it should be. We're gonna miss 325 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: But I was raised in such a way and many 326 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: folks I know, I've never been to a sad funeral. 327 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: All right, they're homegoing celebrations and they're almost parties. All 328 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: the funerals I've gone to, I applaud, I celebrate Shelley Devall, 329 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: Richard Simmons, doctor Ruth, Shannon Doherty and all they've done. 330 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: But I you said it to me. You walked in 331 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: here a short time ago. Inside you were I think 332 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: you were reading about Shannon Doherty, and you came in. 333 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: You gave me a big hug, and you said, I 334 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: am so happy to be with here, with you here, 335 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: and I love you. And you said it was because 336 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: of all this stuff you had been reading. And I 337 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: get that, and that's okay to get those reminders, but damn, 338 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: we shouldn't have to have somebody pass before we realize 339 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: we should live. 340 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 2: Yes, And I think my point is I hate that 341 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 2: that always or can be the impetus. But sometimes, you know, 342 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 2: when something that sad does occur, when we do lose 343 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 2: someone who was or people who were so important to 344 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 2: part of our culture and remind us, maybe take us 345 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 2: back to a time, you know, when we were younger 346 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 2: or freer, or what we learned from them. You know, 347 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 2: I think Richard Simmons does that for so many people. 348 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 2: He inspired so many people to lose weight with his 349 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 2: story and put himself out there in a way and 350 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 2: and and kind of flew his flag that was different 351 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 2: than everyone else's and didn't care and did it anyway 352 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 2: with those short shorts and just being his sassy self 353 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 2: at a time where that wasn't necessarily celebrated. And I 354 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 2: always thought he was such a cool individual who I 355 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 2: think obviously struggled with so much but shared it with 356 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 2: people so they didn't feel alone. And that was a 357 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 2: part of the connection that so many people had with him. 358 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: What was that what we were talking about? I think 359 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 1: I was talking about Jeff Goblum and Kevin Bacon yea, 360 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: and people can think what they want about them, but 361 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: they reached I was asking you, how do you get 362 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 1: to this like beloved level? Richard Simmons now you're talking 363 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: about was just beloved. What time did you ever think 364 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: about Richard Simmons that you didn't feel good or smile. 365 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 2: Because he was so vulnerable, Like he was vulnerable and 366 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 2: then you know, and then at the end of his life, 367 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 2: I remember it was just sad to me because he wanted, 368 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 2: for whatever reason, to just to not be in the 369 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 2: public eye, which I get. He gave so much of 370 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 2: his life to other people and too celebrating other people 371 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 2: that people wanted him to keep being that person for them, 372 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 2: but he needed to do what he needed to do 373 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 2: for himself. And yeah, I just you know, I applauded 374 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 2: his choice to do that, and people thought it was 375 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 2: strange and wanted to put all these conspiracy theories behind it. 376 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 2: But I was able to actually talk. We of course 377 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 2: at ABC News, we were trying to get the interview 378 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 2: when that was all being speculated speculated about, and I 379 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 2: remember getting to talk to his publicist, one of his 380 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 2: dear friends, and he assured me, he's fine, this is 381 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 2: his choice, and you know, we obviously we let it go. 382 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 2: I was like, that's good to hear. And I remember thinking, like, 383 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 2: I hope that's true, and I certainly hope it was 384 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 2: till the end. 385 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: But yeah, he's seventy six. There's nothing if I just say, 386 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: Richard Simmons. 387 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:30,719 Speaker 2: To anybody, he smiled. 388 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: Whatever comes to your whatever image is going to be 389 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: a positive one. A You're gonna smile. 390 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 2: And I think about those striped shorts, and I think 391 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 2: about the. 392 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: Energy he was. I never saw him down. I mean, 393 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: I know everybody's got their personal whatever, but I just 394 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 1: the light he brought to the world from a guy 395 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: like me who never watched a Richard Simmons workout video, 396 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: went into the oldies, who never met him, never talked 397 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: to him, never did anything related to him, but love him. 398 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've love that, and that's that's an impact. That's 399 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 2: his legacy. And Shanna Doherty, that one has been hard 400 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 2: for me today. And you asked like you're like robes, 401 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 2: don't make this sad, and I and I won't make 402 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 2: it sad. But I got to do the sit down 403 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 2: with her when she announced that in twenty nineteen that 404 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 2: she had stage four metastatic breast cancer. And she had 405 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 2: such an impact on me because we were diagnosed two 406 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 2: years apart initially, and she was declared cancer free. I 407 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 2: was declared cancer free. She chose her, you know, her 408 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 2: post cancer treatments, and I chose mine. And every cancer 409 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 2: is different, but she and I connected, and she knew 410 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 2: she was in a fight for her life, and I 411 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:55,360 Speaker 2: just always marveled at her bravery. I loved her as 412 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,479 Speaker 2: Brenda Walsh on nine o two one, oh, so I 413 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 2: was so excited to get to actually meet her. That 414 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 2: was the first time I got to meet her. But 415 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 2: I was blown away by her and her vulnerability and 416 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 2: her willingness to share her story to help other people 417 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 2: get through really tough time. So anyone to me who's 418 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 2: willing like she, and if you don't want to, that's fine, 419 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 2: but just to see her her bravery in fighting it, 420 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 2: but her bravery and taking it very publicly. It helps 421 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 2: so many people going through that same battle. But it's 422 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 2: still a very sad day that she lost her battle. 423 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 2: And you know, we were talking about this. I don't 424 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 2: know the origins, but the thing that I have taken 425 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 2: away from Shannon was what she said to me. She 426 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 2: referenced a Charlie Brown. I've talked about this before, but 427 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 2: she referenced to Charlie brown Snoopy cartoon that she looked at, 428 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 2: She said daily, like in the morning, to just remind her. 429 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 2: She knew her time was limited. All of our time 430 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 2: is limited, but she was acutely aware of it, obviously, 431 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 2: and she she quoted it for me. She said, Charlie 432 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 2: Brown says to Snoopy, Yolo, Snoopy, you only live one 433 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 2: since Snoopy said you know you got it wrong, Charlie Brown. 434 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 2: You only die once. We live every day, and that 435 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 2: was how she chose to live these last few years. 436 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 2: But all like I said, also very publicly, and for that, 437 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 2: I appreciate all that she gave and all that she did. 438 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 1: She's another one you. These are Shelley Duvall, Richard Simmons, 439 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: Shannon Doherty, Doctor Ruth. I did not watch nine o 440 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: two one. 441 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 2: No. 442 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 1: I did not read a single Doctor Ruth column. I 443 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: did not watch a single Richard Simmons video. I love 444 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: the Shining, I love Popeye, but other than that, it's 445 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 1: just not right. But it's amazing that that's how you 446 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 1: can tell the impact they've had on a society. There 447 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: are a lot of people who are not connected in 448 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: that way, but know who these people are and the 449 00:22:55,560 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 1: smile comes to their face. I applaud Shannon Doherty for 450 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: what she did. She is someone we're connected to through iHeart, 451 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: and we know there are a lot of people at 452 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: iHeart who worked for a long time, who were close 453 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: to her, talked to her very often and helping her 454 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: with her podcast. We're very sad today, Yeah, because you 455 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: I'm sure they robes signed up knowing that this day 456 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 1: would come while they were in the middle of working 457 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: with her, and this day came, and that is and 458 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: will forever be. When you lose somebody like that, be sad. 459 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 1: But Jim Valvano, that we all go with now is 460 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 1: you beat cancer by the way you live every day. 461 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 1: And I don't. But she kicked cancer's ass, if you 462 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: want to go with that definition. 463 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 2: Yeah she did. And she has helped so many people 464 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 2: along the way. She's raised awareness. She was excited about 465 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 2: these new drugs. I just looked at her last Instagram 466 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 2: message just a few weeks ago where she learned that 467 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 2: her cancer had had morphed a little bit and she 468 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 2: now had more treatment options. And that is what she 469 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 2: was fighting for, that awareness, that funding, because the more options, 470 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 2: the more drugs, the more availability, we can continue to 471 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 2: have folks in stage four live longer, better lives. And 472 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 2: so I know she was fighting for that, and I'm 473 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 2: just in awe of her and just want to be 474 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 2: grateful for the impact she had on the fight against 475 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 2: breast cancer and what she did for so many women 476 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 2: out there, And yeah, it is I know, I know. 477 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 2: We don't want to have those reminders be the reason 478 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:47,239 Speaker 2: why we live differently. But yeah, any of any of 479 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 2: what's happened in the last four days, really it's just 480 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 2: another reminder that life is fragile. Life is something to 481 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 2: be grateful for each and every day, even when it's 482 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 2: messy and hot and humid and ugly and not the 483 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 2: way you want. It's an opportunity to be kind and 484 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 2: to love and to experience and to be grateful. And 485 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,479 Speaker 2: that's where I am today after all of the news 486 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 2: from the United States here on vacation. But you know 487 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 2: what we're gonna We're going to honor everything that's happened 488 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 2: and continue to enjoy, but enjoy our lives. I hope 489 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 2: everyone else gets to do the same. 490 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: We will. Yeah, and I guess we've relocated to uh 491 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: to Italy for now, so we are current residents, but 492 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: we are trying to get back to the United States soon, 493 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: so we will probably have another episode from. 494 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 2: Here, probably a little more from here. 495 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 1: Yes, from the inside, how you'd hold up you you said, 496 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 1: it's not so bad. It's a little breeze coming through. 497 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 2: It's not that humid though, that's my thing. It's not 498 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 2: as it's not as humid as New York and I'll 499 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 2: take it. 500 00:25:58,400 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: Your hair is dope, by the way it's holding up. 501 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, your hair doesn't do well in humidity. 502 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 2: It does not. I have wavy, unmanageable. 503 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: Hair, which no one has ever seen. 504 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 2: Nope, I keep that to myself. Why I you know, 505 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 2: wavy hair is not something that is television friendly, or 506 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 2: so I've been told my entire life. So I've straightened 507 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 2: my hair my entire life. Okay, I but now, but 508 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 2: now I got some dope French braids because my boyfriend Dutch. Whoops, 509 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 2: So those are Dutch braids versus French braids. Correct? And yes, 510 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 2: because my boyfriend can braid hair soraid hair. It's pretty awesome. 511 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 2: I might pose something later. I don't want to be 512 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,400 Speaker 2: judged on your braiding skills. You've got braiding skills. 513 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, not because I didn't want to be judged. 514 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: I just didn't want to see it as bragging. 515 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 2: A joke. 516 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: Folks, Look wherever you are, if you hear the sound 517 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: of our voices, please be kind to somebody to day. 518 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 1: Just take it easy to yourself, right God, and maybe 519 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: even more so than anybody else. But you just give 520 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: everybody just a little bit of a break, no matter 521 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,439 Speaker 1: how they might possibly treat you. Everybody's going through something 522 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: and it's just we're all in a heap of shit 523 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 1: right now. It feels like and we'll get through it 524 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: like we always do right as a country. But it's 525 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: just it's been a crappy few days. Yeah, a lot 526 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: of ways. 527 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, in those are the days where you decide what 528 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 2: you want and how you want to react to it. 529 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 2: So I hope everybody can look at that with love 530 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 2: and hopefully with yeah, hope, let's hope. Yeah, let's go 531 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 2: with hope. 532 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 1: Hope doesn't sell, and that's then that's shitty that the 533 00:27:55,760 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 1: thing that sells is chaos, controversy, conflict. Yeah, those are 534 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 1: the things that sell. I was, I swear I went 535 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: to I remember this from twenty years ago. I went 536 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: to a conference or something. Somebody spoke. So that's what 537 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: the media thrives, conflicts, chaos. 538 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 2: And contract If it bleeds, it leads, it's just it's okay. 539 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: So we're selling hope is my wight wants to hear this? Well? Folks, 540 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 1: you can keep following. Our official Instagram page for the 541 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 1: show is at Amy and TJ Podcast, and we will 542 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: keep sending our folks, maybe pictures from the trip, and 543 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 1: maybe they'll post them there so you'll kind of keep 544 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: up with us. Why are you laughing? 545 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 2: No, I'm laughing because we haven't sent them anything, are 546 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 2: we not? No, not a thing, not a thing. But 547 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 2: we told them we would and then we didn't need photos, Okay, 548 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 2: So Hannah, Emma shug We sorry, it's coming. Shout