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Speaker 1: And down and tie. Welcome back to the solid verbal,
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Speaker 1: The man Dan Rubinstein sir, how's it going.
Speaker 2: It's pretty good. The voice is climbing back, climbing there
Speaker 2: for a second. Yeah, in my journeys to Austin and
Speaker 2: had a wedding and was just you know, ty, you
Speaker 2: know me, I talk a lot.
Speaker 1: You do.
Speaker 2: Finally came back to haunt me. But the voice is
Speaker 2: making its way back to to elite status. So how
Speaker 2: you doing?
Speaker 1: Hold hold on here? Pause? Yeah, how did you deal
Speaker 1: with a lost voice at a wedding?
Speaker 2: Poorly?
Speaker 1: That is not a good venue to not have a
Speaker 1: voice at.
Speaker 2: No, it was a nice wedding. It was a college
Speaker 2: friend of Jody with an eyes and a really fun wedding.
Speaker 2: I had a nice hotel here in New York and
Speaker 2: a robust band. We had a big band at our wedding.
Speaker 2: This was an even bigger band, which is fine. I
Speaker 2: bring this is God. I shouldn't say this, but if
Speaker 2: this show is about honesty, I do now bring ear
Speaker 2: plugs to what I do not.
Speaker 1: Because the orange ones that you roll up.
Speaker 2: They are they're not the putty ones. They're sort of spongy.
Speaker 2: I got them from like write eight or something.
Speaker 1: Don't tell me. They have like the George Seaffert strap
Speaker 1: around them to keep them together.
Speaker 2: Oh you don't have no no, no good. They are
Speaker 2: not earplug croakies involved. But my hearing is like kind
Speaker 2: of not great, and so it's not a sign of
Speaker 2: protest of like these darn kids. It's an actual, like
Speaker 2: I'd like to be able to hear my grandkids if
Speaker 2: there still is an earth in twenty sixty three kind
Speaker 2: of situation. So I am. I am taking those measures.
Speaker 2: So yeah, to that wedding. Because of my voice. I
Speaker 2: brought glasses because I have bad eyes, ear plugs because
Speaker 2: I have bad ears, and lozenges because I was losing
Speaker 2: my voice and screaming basic things at people at the table.
Speaker 2: This never grow up, everybody.
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Speaker 2: This is correct, This is absolutely happening. I can't wait, Ty,
Speaker 2: I can't wait, and I also can't wait for today's show, which,
Speaker 2: if you've already downloaded it and paid attention to the title,
Speaker 2: you know what we're doing. But we're going to say
Speaker 2: things anyway, Ty, What are we doing today?
Speaker 1: So we're not going to be talking about the feats
Speaker 1: of strength between Mike Leach and a reporter from you
Speaker 1: at USA today. Excuse me? We are going to be
Speaker 1: talking about the coming college football season. Yes, we're going
Speaker 1: to be talking about actual content, Dan, hashtag content, hashtag
Speaker 1: blessed to be here this evening, talking about actual college
Speaker 1: football content for the twenty eighteen season. True story here.
Speaker 1: I don't know the origin of this idea, Dan, but
Speaker 1: I do know that on my phone on June the first,
Speaker 1: at eight am, I had an alert go off for
Speaker 1: this very concept. Don't know where it came from. Don't
Speaker 1: know if it was you, I love it. If it
Speaker 1: was me, I have to go back and try and investigate.
Speaker 1: But I had an alert on my phone for the
Speaker 1: top the most significant pivotal people. Ooh, for the twenty
Speaker 1: eighteen season. What does that mean? Well, it can mean
Speaker 1: of a whole variety of different things. But I think
Speaker 1: the way that I interpreted it was, if we look,
Speaker 1: if we do like a post mortem on this twenty
Speaker 1: eighteen season, after it's all said and done, and depending
Speaker 1: on how some things go or don't go, if we
Speaker 1: look back at the real important storylines, if we get
Speaker 1: back to the root cause of them all on some level,
Speaker 1: we're gonna We're gonna get down to the nitty gritty here,
Speaker 1: We're gonna get down to the pivotal people that are
Speaker 1: behind it all.
Speaker 2: I hope you have a pop filter on your microphone
Speaker 2: for all the times you're saying pivotal.
Speaker 1: I do have a pop filter. It's a steel one.
Speaker 1: Here go. Oh, it's a very important one. I pop
Speaker 1: a lot. I'm apologetic for it, but I've done as
Speaker 1: much as I can to prevent it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But of course, what I'm saying is like, everybody knows
Speaker 1: that Tua, everyone knows that Kelly Bryant, everyone knows that
Speaker 1: Trace McSorley, that these guys are going to have a
Speaker 1: huge role to play, and how the twenty eighteen season
Speaker 1: plays out, there's no denying it, but is Trace mcsory
Speaker 1: will be really the most pivotal piece on that Penn
Speaker 1: State team? Or what about his offensive coordinator who's taking
Speaker 1: over for Joe Morehead who left for Mississippi State. I
Speaker 1: think we're going to make a case on this show
Speaker 1: for some of the less popular names and the roles,
Speaker 1: the important pivotal roles that they play on their respective teams.
Speaker 1: That's where we're headed with tonight's show at actually next
Speaker 1: week's show as well, because we're not going to get
Speaker 1: a chance to get through all nineteen of these items
Speaker 1: if I know a number correct.
Speaker 2: Yes, you do have the number correct. I've approached this
Speaker 2: and basically looking at which names won't necessarily be the
Speaker 2: biggest name some there will be some big names, obviously.
Speaker 2: If you think about what potential stories are likely to
Speaker 2: end up splashed on the front page of your favorite
Speaker 2: publication or lead off this show or any other podcast
Speaker 2: you listen to, or radio show, TV show, whatever they
Speaker 2: talk about on Game Day, whatever is on a rundown
Speaker 2: on PTI around any of these things that in the
Speaker 2: mainstream and in the specific college football media world that
Speaker 2: we are going to say, oh, that's a big deal
Speaker 2: or this happened, and that's why it's a big deal.
Speaker 2: And it's not necessarily, as you said, the biggest name,
Speaker 2: but it's the name affecting those storylines that we can
Speaker 2: anticipate cropping up along the way.
Speaker 1: So why don't we start here since I already gave
Speaker 1: away the game on one of our items. These are
Speaker 1: in no particular order, by the way, but number one
Speaker 1: pivotal person in the twenty eighteen season Ricky Ronnie good Good.
Speaker 1: I like that start Ricky ron He, of course, is
Speaker 1: the new offensive coordinator for the Penn State and Nitney Lions.
Speaker 1: He takes over for Joe Moorehead, who took the head
Speaker 1: coaching job down at Mississippi State. To reiterate what Joe
Speaker 1: Morehead did the last two seasons at Penn State, twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: they averaged thirty seven point six points per game. Believe
Speaker 1: it or not, that number went up last season they
Speaker 1: averaged forty one point one points per game. Penn State
Speaker 1: has had a high powered offense, to say the absolute
Speaker 1: very least the last two seasons. They still have trace mcsorly,
Speaker 1: but they lose Saquon Barkley. They also lose DeShawn Hamilton,
Speaker 1: who lit up the NFL scouting combine. There is some
Speaker 1: turnover across the board at Penn State. Not a ton,
Speaker 1: but enough to I think be notable. And the reason
Speaker 1: that I put Ricky Ronnie on this list is, Look,
Speaker 1: anybody can put Trace McSorley down. We know he's an
Speaker 1: important piece of that offense. But Ricky Ronnie, if he
Speaker 1: doesn't call the right plays, if he doesn't figure out
Speaker 1: a way to use Miles Sanders now in the absence
Speaker 1: of Saquon Barkley, if he calls a lot of bad
Speaker 1: screen passes. I think that was part of the problem
Speaker 1: in the bowl game that.
Speaker 2: They won against a really good team that they want
Speaker 2: sure m h.
Speaker 1: If he does not assemble those parts correctly, this could
Speaker 1: really come off the swivel for Penn State because there's
Speaker 1: a lot more turnover on defense that I think we
Speaker 1: need to worry about as fans, and many of us
Speaker 1: are counting on that offense to really be the driving
Speaker 1: force behind some degree of success in the twenty eighteen season.
Speaker 1: If Ricky Ronnie can't assemble the pieces in short order.
Speaker 1: Here he will be the pivotal piece and the main
Speaker 1: reason why things don't go better in State College.
Speaker 2: And there's other factors that I think affect that pick
Speaker 2: as well. It's a good pick, and you know, the
Speaker 2: loss of Saquon Barkley seems like, oh, that's going to
Speaker 2: put more pressure on him. He doesn't have Saquon Barkley's
Speaker 2: It's not just the loss of a singular, unique, at
Speaker 2: times generational talent. It's the loss of the gravity. That's
Speaker 2: an NBA term that I've only recently learned about. Even
Speaker 2: if this incredible shooter isn't making shots, the defense always
Speaker 2: has to account what is this guy doing?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 2: Is he ready to do something spectacular at any moment.
Speaker 2: And the way that Joe moorehead and that offense use
Speaker 2: Sequon Barkley last year, you know, splitting him out wide,
Speaker 2: you know, putting him in motion, moving him to the slot, whatever,
Speaker 2: there was always that gravity about him that opened things
Speaker 2: up for the offense. Now, I don't know if this
Speaker 2: is more pressure or more of a relief. Penn State
Speaker 2: has recruited super well oh the past couple of years,
Speaker 2: and they've recruited quite well at receiver, they have talented
Speaker 2: running back. Obviously, since all of the issues with scholarships,
Speaker 2: the offensive line recruiting has improved, and you have that
Speaker 2: that dependable, you know, more so than probably ninety eight
Speaker 2: percent of the country signal caller in trace mcsorly. So
Speaker 2: on one end, there is more pressure because he has
Speaker 2: to keep this train going and maximize trace mcsorrely, but
Speaker 2: he is working with better pieces and obviously Ohio State
Speaker 2: is out recruited Penn State, but I don't know that
Speaker 2: anybody else has in that conference. So there is a
Speaker 2: certain amount of luxury that he has as a first
Speaker 2: time offensive coordinator for Penn State. So I think it's
Speaker 2: a great pick. I think you're right. It's a pretty
Speaker 2: pivotal year for Ricky Ronnie and the Penn State offense.
Speaker 1: Again, anybody can pick trace mcsorly. He is very much
Speaker 1: a key cog in the works. But if Ricky Ronnie
Speaker 1: can't assemble the pieces around him, that will be a
Speaker 1: bigger story, no doubt about it. He has to do,
Speaker 1: at least on some level what Joe Morehead did Again.
Speaker 1: Twenty sixteen, Penn State was twenty first in the nation
Speaker 1: in yards per play, that improved to fourteenth last season
Speaker 1: under Joe moorehead proved marginally but up over six and
Speaker 1: a half yards per play. That's a tough act to
Speaker 1: follow if you're Ricky Ronnie. I hope as a Penn
Speaker 1: State grat. I hope as a Penn State fan he's
Speaker 1: able to have some degree of success. But it is
Speaker 1: a tough act to follow. And even though Saquon wasn't
Speaker 1: always logging one hundred yard efforts, he still was a
Speaker 1: menace out there on the field to try and guard
Speaker 1: to account for it at all times.
Speaker 2: Who is Do you have an all time favorite gravitational
Speaker 2: pole player and it could be offense or defense.
Speaker 1: Just a guy that you always need to know where
Speaker 1: he's at.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we've had some edge rushers obviously, just the
Speaker 2: threat of Endominkan Sue in two thousand and nine, it
Speaker 2: wasn't really a gravity thing because you knew exactly where
Speaker 2: he was and what he was going to do. But
Speaker 2: I guess specifically offense or players that play in space,
Speaker 2: like Eric Berry is one of those players from a
Speaker 2: Reggie Bush on off Reggie.
Speaker 1: Bush is I think the one that comes to mind most.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Florida's had a couple of those guys.
Speaker 2: I just Man's it's such a luxury if you have
Speaker 2: that guy.
Speaker 1: All right, So Ricky Ronnie our first entry here in Dan,
Speaker 1: give me the pivotal people thing.
Speaker 2: Pivot pivotal people.
Speaker 1: There you go, number one in your new deep registered voice, think, yeah,
Speaker 1: where are we going next? Here?
Speaker 2: Dan? All right, you want to go? Should I choose
Speaker 2: a pivotal person? Please?
Speaker 1: Please? Do?
Speaker 2: All right, I'm going to go outside, way outside of
Speaker 2: the power five system because in looking at you know,
Speaker 2: the conversation that what were we talking about last year
Speaker 2: later on in the season as it related to group
Speaker 2: of five schools and the playoff, it was essentially, should
Speaker 2: should you see F be in this conversation?
Speaker 1: Right right?
Speaker 2: You know? Is what UCF is? What they're doing impressive
Speaker 2: enough to warrant being ranked in the top seven eight
Speaker 2: nine deep into the season in the rankings. Well, there
Speaker 2: is one school that on their schedule has Memphis, Notre Dame,
Speaker 2: Houston and UCF, And I should mention Lee, oh wow, that's.
Speaker 1: A loaded schedule.
Speaker 2: Come on, come on, you think you're going to take
Speaker 2: down the mountain, hig Engineer? Now, absolutely not, not without
Speaker 2: a fight. So this pivotal person is Malcolm Perry, who's
Speaker 2: gonna be playing We mentioned him a few weeks ago, Yes,
Speaker 2: maybe for Navy, and so he shifts into a quarterback role.
Speaker 2: He played quarterback the last three weeks of the year
Speaker 2: last year and ran all over a couple of big schools,
Speaker 2: had a big game against Army in the snow, had
Speaker 2: almost three hundred yards on the ground against SMU. But
Speaker 2: they moved last year's starting quarterback Zach Aby to receiver.
Speaker 2: And this year's Navy team if Malcolm Perry can actually
Speaker 2: throw the ball in a forward direction, which struggled with
Speaker 2: last year, but if he is able to be at
Speaker 2: least competent, if he can complete what fifty percent of
Speaker 2: his passes, which I don't think is asking too much.
Speaker 2: We saw what happened what is it now three four
Speaker 2: years ago with Keenan Reynolds and what a sort of
Speaker 2: dynamic playmaker can do. I'm not saying Malcolm Arry is
Speaker 2: gonna be a hisman guy, but I'm saying, with his
Speaker 2: hands on the ball, Memphis, Notre Dame, Houston UCF like
Speaker 2: he is going to affect at least one of their
Speaker 2: season hopes and dreams m because that I mean, listen,
Speaker 2: you root for a team that plays Navy every year,
Speaker 2: and it has to be the most discomforting few minutes
Speaker 2: before kickoff every year because you just don't know what
Speaker 2: to expect, while at the same time knowing exactly what
Speaker 2: to expect. And so for that reason, Malcolm Perry I
Speaker 2: think is going to change the dynamics of this season.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting too, because there are a lot of
Speaker 1: I think considerations that we both had for this nineteen
Speaker 1: person list that you couldn't get past the quarterback position.
Speaker 1: There were other ones like Penn State, where if you
Speaker 1: go a little bit deeper, I think is apparent that
Speaker 1: there might be a better entry here. But I think
Speaker 1: you're right when it comes to Navy, just in the
Speaker 1: way that I've looked at them as again a fan
Speaker 1: of a team that's had to play them, It always
Speaker 1: begins and ends with the quarterback position. Navy, we assume,
Speaker 1: and have assumed for a long time they don't play defense.
Speaker 1: They just they want to, but because their offense will
Speaker 1: suck the life out of you, they're really hoping that
Speaker 1: at least on their defensive side of the ball, you're
Speaker 1: just gonna You're gonna be stopped a few extra times,
Speaker 1: and that's gonna be enough to give them enough breathing
Speaker 1: room on offense to run the clock out, control it
Speaker 1: for thirty eight minutes and that'll be that. So I
Speaker 1: think you're right here to put Malcolm Perry on this list,
Speaker 1: and frankly not someone else like you know, an h
Speaker 1: back on their offense. This is the right selection if
Speaker 1: you're gonna go Navy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I included Notre Dame in that because they're
Speaker 2: not a Power five school, at least not fully. And
Speaker 2: I don't anticipate Notre Dame being a national championship contender.
Speaker 2: Fair but I certainly think. I mean, they have more
Speaker 2: wiggle room than these other schools. But those other schools,
Speaker 2: you know, every day, every game is a will we
Speaker 2: play on New Year's or not situation? Sure, and Notre
Speaker 2: Dame has the wiggle room. Off They can lose to
Speaker 2: probably not three, but they can lose a couple of
Speaker 2: games and still make a New Year's Day game. But
Speaker 2: I am curious to see who specifically he targets with
Speaker 2: his surgical season ruining ability.
Speaker 1: Well's let's stay there then with Notre Dame. Let's go
Speaker 1: to pivotal person number three.
Speaker 2: Starting out with Penn State and Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: Let's go to number three here. You mentioned Navy, and again,
Speaker 1: if we want to use the example we just mentioned here,
Speaker 1: you think of Notre Dame and I think the impulse
Speaker 1: is to go with Brandon Wimbush. All right, Brandon Wimbush
Speaker 1: completed a shade under fifty percent of his passes a
Speaker 1: year ago. We've made no secret on this show of
Speaker 1: the fact that Wimbush did not get better from start
Speaker 1: to finish. It was a big source of angst for
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly, Notre Dame, Notre Dame fans across the United States.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 1: I don't think Wimbush is the selection here. If Wimbush
Speaker 1: plays better than he did a year ago, he could
Speaker 1: be the piece that makes Notre Dame a ten or
Speaker 1: eleven win team. But it's going to take him a
Speaker 1: little while to get to a point where we're all
Speaker 1: confident if he does get better, or we're all confident
Speaker 1: in saying that yes, he actually has in the interim,
Speaker 1: until he gets there, it's going to be the defense
Speaker 1: with like nine starters back from a year ago. The
Speaker 1: defense is going to have to hold down the fort
Speaker 1: until the offense comes around, because, let's face it, new
Speaker 1: starting running back Dexter Williams. He's had some experience at
Speaker 1: running back and he was explosive at times a year ago.
Speaker 1: But is he going to be healthy enough? Is he
Speaker 1: going to be frankly good enough to be that featured
Speaker 1: back in the offense? Only time will tell. They're losing
Speaker 1: some at wide receiver. They're clearly losing some while on
Speaker 1: the left hands out of that line. With two of
Speaker 1: their starters being drafted in the top ten mcglinchy and Nelson,
Speaker 1: I think it's going to come down to clark Elite,
Speaker 1: their new defensive coordinator who takes over for Mike Elko
Speaker 1: after he left four Texas A and M. He's gonna
Speaker 1: need to hold down the fort as Notre Dame really
Speaker 1: tries to find its new way on offense here with
Speaker 1: some new faces. I think it's even more important to
Speaker 1: note that their schedule is sort of void of teams
Speaker 1: that I look at at first blush and say, wow,
Speaker 1: that's going to be an offense this year, right, you know?
Speaker 1: I mean, Stanford could be much improved from a year ago,
Speaker 1: but I don't think anyone looked at Stanford and says
Speaker 1: that's an explosive offense. It's just they play defense and
Speaker 1: they like that.
Speaker 2: I mean, they have the single most explosive player in
Speaker 2: the country on offense.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't think Stanford as a whole is
Speaker 1: defined by their offense.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: I think it's more of a defense and down your
Speaker 1: throat kind of squad.
Speaker 2: That's offense. Well, but it's running his offense. Tie on
Speaker 2: this hill.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like they're going to score forty five
Speaker 1: points a game on him.
Speaker 2: Fair, all right.
Speaker 1: I think if Notre Dame plays solid defense, they give
Speaker 1: themselves a good shot even with a mediocre offense against
Speaker 1: a team like a Stanford.
Speaker 2: May I ask you just a quick question both about
Speaker 2: specifically Brandon Wimbush and then big picture. Sure you saw
Speaker 2: a lot of Brandon Wimbush last year, and it's always
Speaker 2: fair to say, well, you know, first year growing pains,
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. But he didn't necessarily get better
Speaker 2: over the course of the season.
Speaker 1: I didn't see any of the growing and that's part
Speaker 1: of my problem.
Speaker 2: But continue, right, and so my question as it relates
Speaker 2: to him and anybody else in A similar situation is
Speaker 2: is should we be making peace with what Brandon Wimbush is?
Speaker 2: And granted again, first year quarterback, but generally you like
Speaker 2: to see a progression. If you're going to ask the question,
Speaker 2: if he's good, then what is Notre Dame's ceiling? Is
Speaker 2: what we saw last year enough to make a judgment
Speaker 2: or do you feel like there is enough talent and
Speaker 2: work to be done over summer that he can come
Speaker 2: out looking more like Tommy Reese?
Speaker 1: Yes, that was mean if you told me, and maybe
Speaker 1: this isn't a direct answer, but if you told me
Speaker 1: now that Notre Dame was going to have a different
Speaker 1: starting quarterback in twenty eighteen, I'd be perfectly fine with
Speaker 1: that because I feel like we saw enough of Wimbush
Speaker 1: to know what he is, and because we didn't see
Speaker 1: any progression from start to find Ah a hell of
Speaker 1: a runner, Dan, a hell of a runner, dynamic on
Speaker 1: the ground, no doubt about it. Clearly the best runner
Speaker 1: that they've got at their quarterback position on the roster,
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. But as a passer leaves a
Speaker 1: lot to be desired. And when the word got out
Speaker 1: that he couldn't throw and he couldn't be comfortable in
Speaker 1: that pocket. It changed the dynamic a great deal. It
Speaker 1: really truly did. I feel like we 's a known
Speaker 1: quantity at this point. We know what we're getting. I
Speaker 1: am skeptical that he's going to get a lot better
Speaker 1: between the end of last season and the start of next.
Speaker 1: If you told me now that they were going to
Speaker 1: go to like filed your covic or Ian book, I'd
Speaker 1: be perfectly cool with that trade off.
Speaker 2: Okay, since sports gambling is now legal in certain states
Speaker 2: more so than it was before. If you had to
Speaker 2: wager twenty American dollars, who is starting, aside from any injuries,
Speaker 2: who is starting against Pitt the first game of the
Speaker 2: back half of Notre Dame schedule.
Speaker 1: If I'm betting money, I'm still going to go with
Speaker 1: Brandon Wimbush.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, and I guess if they were going to
Speaker 2: make a change, it might be after the pit game
Speaker 2: because they have a bye week before Navy and the
Speaker 2: Navy defense I would assume is somewhat friendly to a
Speaker 2: new quarterback.
Speaker 1: If I were betting money, I'll go I'd go Wimbush.
Speaker 1: I still think it's Wimbushes to lose, But anyway, I
Speaker 1: don't want to bury the lead here, Clark Lee is
Speaker 1: I think the direction that we go with the pivotal
Speaker 1: people because Notre Dame needs that defense in any way,
Speaker 1: shape or form, whether it's Wimbush or somebody else, the
Speaker 1: defense absolutely needs to be solid. I think it can
Speaker 1: do a lot for Notre Dame, especially given the schedule.
Speaker 1: We can argue about whether or not Stanford is defined
Speaker 1: by offense or defense, but I feel like a good
Speaker 1: defense keeps you in the game against Stanford. A good
Speaker 1: defense certainly keeps you in the game against a new
Speaker 1: look Michigan now with presumably Shape Patterson as your quarterback.
Speaker 1: Across the board, I don't look at Notre Dame schedule
Speaker 1: and feel like there's any team on that schedule that
Speaker 1: can blow them away with offense. So that means even
Speaker 1: more so the defense can keep them in games even
Speaker 1: if they're not performing optimally on offense. So Clark Lee,
Speaker 1: Notre Dame defensive coordinator, everyone thinks he's a rising star.
Speaker 1: I would like to see that in practice in the
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen season. Clark Lee, Notre Dame defensive coordinator. He
Speaker 1: is a pivotal person. Twenty eight pivotal person number three.
Speaker 1: Good name Clarkley l E I g H l e A.
Speaker 1: Oh okay l e A. Yeah, you know I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go to I'm gonna go with a to a very
Speaker 1: familiar person. And this I didn't actually put on our
Speaker 1: shared Google document, but I have a feeling you're going
Speaker 1: to be able to, uh.
Speaker 2: To make do with this. And this is this is
Speaker 2: a big mainstream name. Even though I'm not a big
Speaker 2: you know, I like to be a college football hipster
Speaker 2: as often as I can be. I'm gonna go with
Speaker 2: Charles Chip Kelly Tie the Chip person number four. And
Speaker 2: it's not for the reasons I think that are I
Speaker 2: hope are not obvious. It's not because like, oh, Chips
Speaker 2: back and you know he could make UCLA fun. Blah
Speaker 2: blah blah. The reason I think ship Kelly is is
Speaker 2: a pretty pivotal person. I do do I I do
Speaker 2: have phone blocking all the piece. The PAC twelve has
Speaker 2: a bit of a a branding issue, a bit of
Speaker 2: it don't say yes, I do indeed say And it's
Speaker 2: one of those what was the uh you know, I've
Speaker 2: got a fever and the only prescription is more cowbell. Well,
Speaker 2: the PAC twelve has a fever, and the only prescription
Speaker 2: is an actual exciting storyline that's new and fresh and
Speaker 2: that will that is familiar at the same time that
Speaker 2: will make people want to whether they're on the West
Speaker 2: coast or the Midwest, or the southwest, or the East
Speaker 2: coast or wherever the south, that they will pay attention
Speaker 2: to the Pac twelve more than they have in years
Speaker 2: past and perhaps get good games in front of the
Speaker 2: most anticipating audience. But in any case, it doesn't really
Speaker 2: matter if Washington's really good again. I don't even feel
Speaker 2: like it matters all that much if Oregon's all that
Speaker 2: good this year because they don't really play anybody early on,
Speaker 2: so there is no real early season excitement to generate
Speaker 2: buzz around Oregon. They're non conference schedules, particularly bad cal
Speaker 2: I don't believe in as a huge improvement team. I
Speaker 2: don't even really believe in UCLA is a huge improvement team.
Speaker 2: But if they're feisty tie, if they do something early on,
Speaker 2: if they catch Oklahoma looking back at the FAU game,
Speaker 2: if that's like a crazy triple overtime game, which I
Speaker 2: don't necessarily believe will be. But even if Khalil Tate
Speaker 2: is once again total magic with the ball in his hand.
Speaker 2: Didn't seem to matter last year all that much. If
Speaker 2: usc is awesome, it's fine. It's expected. They have struggled
Speaker 2: to perform on the national stage. So there's going to
Speaker 2: be a lot of yeah, but what will they do
Speaker 2: against a top team? But ty, if UCLA, and I
Speaker 2: imagine UCLA is going to be well prepared for all
Speaker 2: of their games, they might be out talented. I don't
Speaker 2: think they're going to be out schemed. If UCLA is
Speaker 2: enjoyable to watch and they can knock a couple of
Speaker 2: teams off by really good coaching and just good situational execution,
Speaker 2: whatever I think the PAC twelve becomes. And I already
Speaker 2: saw the schedule, this part of the schedule is out.
Speaker 2: UCLI opens the season at seven pm on ESPN, seven
Speaker 2: pm Eastern, and that's against Cincinnati. Okay, I could not
Speaker 2: imagine in previous years UCLA Cincinnati getting regular ESPN at
Speaker 2: seven pm on opening Saturday night. So there's already attention
Speaker 2: and buzz around Chip Kelly's arrival, and so they are
Speaker 2: in a position to maximize that.
Speaker 1: All right, So let me let me present the counterpoint,
Speaker 1: because I also considered Charles chip Kelly is the is
Speaker 1: the prescription that can cure the Pac twelve's fever? Really
Speaker 1: more offense with chip Kelly, more excitement with chip Kelly,
Speaker 1: or is it more defense across the board something that
Speaker 1: Charles chip Kelly doesn't quite have a reputation for.
Speaker 2: Builder Are we gonna do Charles chip Kelly all year?
Speaker 1: We might? I mean we could.
Speaker 2: I'm okay with it. We should just make that decision
Speaker 2: now mid June. I'm okay with sticking with it for now. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 2: maybe it's just an offseason thing.
Speaker 1: Is Charles chip Kelly truly what the conference needs because
Speaker 1: he brings excitement? Or will the conference benefit more from
Speaker 1: better defense across the board and then presumably better Bowl
Speaker 1: performance that follows now?
Speaker 2: I think the best thing the Pac twelve can do
Speaker 2: is produce the best possible TV show every week, and
Speaker 2: I think exciting chip Kelly offenses because I really don't
Speaker 2: when people watched and enjoyed Oregon before elsewhere and this
Speaker 2: is not these are not my words, these are what
Speaker 2: you know. College football fans have told me that there
Speaker 2: was just something fun about watching Oregon. It's the style
Speaker 2: of offense uniforms whatever, and they happen to be really
Speaker 2: good and they won a lot of games, so that
Speaker 2: made it even more fun. And I think you Sel
Speaker 2: eventually will win a bunch of games if sort of
Speaker 2: the optimism is correct. But right now, in the short term,
Speaker 2: this year, if chip Kelly, Charles chip Kelly can make
Speaker 2: UCLA good TV, that I think will be a huge
Speaker 2: boost to the PAC twelve.
Speaker 1: All right, well, I am quite excited to watch Wilton
Speaker 1: Spate potentially run an oop de up offense finessa offense Dan.
Speaker 2: There was so many things wrong with that sentence, Ty,
Speaker 2: so many things wrong.
Speaker 1: Let's move on, let's stay actually a PAC twelve here.
Speaker 1: I want to go up to Washington, Dan, great, great salmon,
Speaker 1: presumably the favorite to win PAC twelve this year.
Speaker 2: I would I would say so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, A lot of guys back Jake Browning, Miles Gaskin
Speaker 1: back for I believe year eight for both of them. Now, yep,
Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit about the wide receiver position.
Speaker 1: Two years ago, Jake Browning threw forty three touchdown passes,
Speaker 1: most of which went to John Ross. John Ross now
Speaker 1: playing in the NFL, but after John Ross left, he
Speaker 1: still had a reliable target in Dante Pettis. But now
Speaker 1: Dante Pettis has gone as well, He's gone of the NFL.
Speaker 2: YEP.
Speaker 1: Jake Browning threw twenty four fewer touchdown passes in twenty
Speaker 1: seventeen than he did twenty sixteen, just by virtue of
Speaker 1: losing John Ross. Now Pettis has gone. If there isn't
Speaker 1: somebody who can step up at the wide receiver position,
Speaker 1: that could mean I think a great deal of unbalanced
Speaker 1: in that offense, in the force that is the Washington
Speaker 1: Huskies offense. So I ask you, Dan, if Chico mclatcher,
Speaker 1: did I say that right?
Speaker 2: All time? Great? Oh, great name one a top twenty
Speaker 2: name in college football this year.
Speaker 1: If Cheeko ain't there to be that force in the
Speaker 1: wide receiving core, who's it going to be.
Speaker 2: It's a good question. I like their tight end a lot,
Speaker 2: but no downfield. That is an unanswerable question right now.
Speaker 1: Chico and mcclatcher. Dan is a pivotal person, a pivotal player,
Speaker 1: pittal player in the twenty eighteen season. He needs targets
Speaker 1: in the passing game. He needs to help balance that
Speaker 1: offense with what I'd imagine would be a Miles Gaskin
Speaker 1: heavy scheme at least at the start of the twenty
Speaker 1: eighteen season. He went down with a broken ankle at
Speaker 1: the start of last year. He's a smaller guy, only
Speaker 1: about five eight, but he is to your point, a
Speaker 1: legit downfield, big play guy who can stretch defenses vertically.
Speaker 1: He needs to perform at a high level. If not him,
Speaker 1: then I don't know who. At a minimum, Chico mcclatcher
Speaker 1: is a big cog in the works there for that
Speaker 1: Washington offense. I think he is a pivotal player, big cog.
Speaker 2: And I was very careful saying that smaller dude, and
Speaker 2: there isn't really a proven big, literal big receiver like
Speaker 2: I mean, Dante Pettis wasn't big either, but and I
Speaker 2: think that's sort of the problem, Like there isn't that
Speaker 2: big body. And we saw a little bit of that
Speaker 2: against Alabama. And this is something we've talked about in
Speaker 2: the past that one of the things that teams who
Speaker 2: are able to hang with and move the ball through
Speaker 2: the aregainst Alabama all have in common is that bigger receiver,
Speaker 2: effective tight end down the field, hybrid sort of guy.
Speaker 2: And Washington has a lot of interesting talent. Defensively, I
Speaker 2: think they're going to be probably one of the best
Speaker 2: five or six defenses in the country. Offensively, they have weapons.
Speaker 2: I like Salve I think it's pronounced Salvin Ahmed. They're
Speaker 2: all purpose type weapon behind Miles Gaskin, but they're on
Speaker 2: the field at the same time. Sometimes I'm curious about
Speaker 2: and I think Chiao mcclatch is the right pick here
Speaker 2: because he does have a lot of experience. I'm curious
Speaker 2: about what this offense looks like where you don't have
Speaker 2: a lot of big, proven downfield threat, really experienced quarterback,
Speaker 2: but could we I mean a lot of misdirection, a
Speaker 2: lot of end a round type stuff, option type stuff.
Speaker 2: Not Jake Browning is, That's not what he does, but
Speaker 2: he's mobile. I'm curious to see how they are able
Speaker 2: to scheme around their limitations and turn them into strengths.
Speaker 1: Well, it may not be what Jake Browning does, but hell,
Speaker 1: we know it's what Chris Peterson does or what he
Speaker 1: has done at his previous top the Boise State.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, no, I am. I'm looking forward to the creativity,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 1: So Chico mcclatcher is our pivotal pivotal person on this list.
Speaker 1: We've done two in a row now from the PAC twelve. Dan,
Speaker 1: let's go to a different conference. Where do you want
Speaker 1: to go?
Speaker 2: I'm going to go to the Southeastern Conference if I may.
Speaker 2: I'm going to select an offensive mind that isn't necessarily
Speaker 2: on the proven level of Charles chip Kelly.
Speaker 1: Wow, it's hard to believe you could find someone.
Speaker 2: But hard to believe. Uh, Derek Duley.
Speaker 1: WHOA, You're going with a very strong head of hair there?
Speaker 1: If I don't sing with a very strong blackhead of
Speaker 1: Bob Diaco hair.
Speaker 2: Yes, lot of black Bob Diaco hair and a lot
Speaker 2: of strong shower opinions if my memory serfs. Yeah, while
Speaker 2: at Tennessee. So he's a new offensive coordinator at Miszoo.
Speaker 2: This was an offense that was arguably and they didn't
Speaker 2: have the strongest SEC schedule last year playing in the East,
Speaker 2: but it was arguably the best or second best offense
Speaker 2: behind Georgia's last year because of how strong and how
Speaker 2: well Drew Locke came on the second half of the year.
Speaker 2: They had a great receiver in Jimon Moore. It was
Speaker 2: really fun to watch in November and really seemed to
Speaker 2: turn a corner after starting out so horrendously. But with
Speaker 2: Josh Hipel moving on to UCF and by all indications
Speaker 2: and reports, they had the opportunity to hire an interview
Speaker 2: guys with more of a track record let's say, at
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator, college pro whatever, than Derek Dooley, who has
Speaker 2: most recently been fired by Tennessee and coached receivers at
Speaker 2: in Dallas for the Cowboys. He was let go not
Speaker 2: retained in Dallas. And I don't know if it's a
Speaker 2: he's familiar with the SEC. He has head coaching experience,
Speaker 2: He's another experience mind in the office. But Barry Odom
Speaker 2: hired Derek Dooley to take his potential first round quarterback
Speaker 2: to the next level and either help or really hurt
Speaker 2: Barry Odom's own situation in Columbia. I don't know if
Speaker 2: it's going to go all that well. There is talent
Speaker 2: on offense, they have a couple of nice running backs.
Speaker 2: They bring back experienced receivers, not the top guys. But
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be interesting, not just for
Speaker 2: Miszoo reasons, but sort of in the way that we
Speaker 2: talked about Malcolm Perry they have Georgia and I think
Speaker 2: they go to Alabama the first half of the season,
Speaker 2: so you'll get sort of a good sense of whether
Speaker 2: or not they're competitive. And they did score some points
Speaker 2: against Georgia last year. We'll get a sense of their
Speaker 2: competitive nature or whatever. But in the second half of
Speaker 2: the season, when I think it's more fair to judge
Speaker 2: new coaches, and this isn't about Duley, they have Florida
Speaker 2: and Tennessee, both on the road, So in a strange way,
Speaker 2: Miszoo sort of as a probably decent team, they become
Speaker 2: an interesting bellweather for Jeremy Prude and Dan Mullen late
Speaker 2: in the season at home. And those are two teams
Speaker 2: that are certainly more talented than Missouo at this point
Speaker 2: to see where they stand. So curious about it on
Speaker 2: two levels.
Speaker 1: Well, a bright minded head coach will hire assistants that
Speaker 1: fill in his own deficiencies. Sure, and Barriotom may be
Speaker 1: looking at that Bob Diaco man here and saying, this
Speaker 1: is something I need in my arsenal. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you've looked at Barriotom's hair, but just throwing it
Speaker 1: out there, you know, I looked at missoo, and I
Speaker 1: was considering Drew Locke because Drew Locke came on like
Speaker 1: a freight t last year. The offense really as a
Speaker 1: whole did and of course they lose their offensive coordinator
Speaker 1: now to UCF. I'm very curious in this selection. I
Speaker 1: too feel like Dooley is the right name to put
Speaker 1: on this list because his hiring was a bit confounding.
Speaker 1: He really truly was, and we can question the logic
Speaker 1: behind it. If Drew Locke comes out there and isn't
Speaker 1: able to ignite the offense the way he did a
Speaker 1: year ago, my guess is that we'll be hearing a
Speaker 1: lot about Derek Dooley in a negative context all throughout
Speaker 1: the twenty eighteen season.
Speaker 2: It has some Brady Hoke to it, it really does.
Speaker 2: I don't think Barry odim by the end of last year,
Speaker 2: with how he turned things around, at least before the
Speaker 2: bowl game, I don't think he was in that same
Speaker 2: precarious situation as Mark Helfrich was. But the idea of
Speaker 2: bringing on a failed coach to coach a very specific
Speaker 2: thing that he didn't really have any recent experience doing.
Speaker 2: That's worrisome to me and almost ma makes me think
Speaker 2: Barry Otom do you think Barry Odom saw Derek Dooley
Speaker 2: and just assumed he was Mike Shanahan. Do you think
Speaker 2: and like they just have this unspoken thing where Derek
Speaker 2: Dooley is like, yeah, he wants to hire me Derek Dooley,
Speaker 2: and Barry Odam's like, I can't believe we got Mike Shannon.
Speaker 1: Say, Vince Dooley.
Speaker 2: Vince Dooley. Well, I mean, Mike Shanahan at least looks
Speaker 2: like Derek Dooley. I mean, I am I wrong? Do
Speaker 2: they have at least they could they be cousins of
Speaker 2: some kind?
Speaker 1: They have the same shaped head, I'd say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I will see.
Speaker 1: Speaking of the Dooleys, can I can I go to
Speaker 1: the state of Georgia here for a second place?
Speaker 2: It's gonna be warm, but yes, for.
Speaker 1: Our next selection here. So I think we're both player,
Speaker 1: we're both content going Derek Dooley, Oh yeah, Missouri offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: On the topic of Dooley's let's go to Georgia, and
Speaker 1: obviously Georgia, you could go a variety of different directions.
Speaker 1: Directions for the Georgia Bulldogs. H Jake from is a
Speaker 1: very interesting name. Here, if only because he led the
Speaker 1: Georgia Bulldogs to the National Championship Game as a true freshman.
Speaker 1: I think Kirby Smart's offense, if we know anything about
Speaker 1: what he's built in the early going at Georgia, runs
Speaker 1: through the running back position. We saw it last year
Speaker 1: with Nick Chubb and Sony Michelle clearly a dynamic duo
Speaker 1: at the running back position, and then as the year
Speaker 1: wore on, we saw a little bit more of DeAndre Swift.
Speaker 1: DeAndre Swift from my neck of the woods up here
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania had six hundred and eighteen yards, but more
Speaker 1: importantly seven point six per carry and really started to
Speaker 1: be a name that we talk more about in big
Speaker 1: game situations. It's just sort of a change of pace back.
Speaker 2: Not a big guy, right solid I would I say,
Speaker 2: I think he's like five ten two fifteen like there is.
Speaker 2: He is compact, but I think sturdy.
Speaker 1: Plays bigger than his size might indicate. The heart of
Speaker 1: that Georgia campaign was really through the running game, and
Speaker 1: I think now DeAndre Swift needs to step up and
Speaker 1: be that guy. They got some guys behind him who
Speaker 1: clearly we're going to see more of as the year progresses.
Speaker 1: But at least to start. If Georgia wants to pick
Speaker 1: up where it left off a year ago, it's going
Speaker 1: to be on the shoulders of DeAndre Swift. And let's
Speaker 1: be honest, it's it's a tough act to follow. It's
Speaker 1: a tough schedule to be a running back in just
Speaker 1: because SEC defenses are bigger or stronger, are particularly along
Speaker 1: that defensive line. He's got his work cut out for him, Dan,
Speaker 1: And if Georgia can't be effective on the ground, it
Speaker 1: puts more pressure on from It puts more pressure on
Speaker 1: just that team as a whole. So DeAndre Swift running
Speaker 1: back Georgia is a pivotal person. He needs to step up.
Speaker 1: He needs to assume the mantle that was left I
Speaker 1: guess in the wake of Nick Chubb and Sony Michelle.
Speaker 2: Pivotal person. Yeah, I think that's a good choice. There is,
Speaker 2: as you mentioned, talent behind him. They recruited two blue
Speaker 2: chip running backs this past year, including so is Zamir White,
Speaker 2: Samir one running back.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh, Zamir White is a good name and hopefully he
Speaker 2: has good knee tendons because he tore his ACL in December.
Speaker 2: I want to say, but he is rehabbing, and if
Speaker 2: he's healthy, I assume he'll play some, especially with the
Speaker 2: new red shirt rule, but I don't think they're in
Speaker 2: any sort of hurry to put his knee in jeopardy.
Speaker 2: They have Elijah Holyfields, Dalvin Cooast, little brother, James Cook,
Speaker 2: and the good news about this offense in general is
Speaker 2: I can't see a situation in which they are leaning
Speaker 2: on DeAndre Swift the way they leaned on Nick Chubb
Speaker 2: early on in his career, whether it was because of
Speaker 2: Sony Michelle's injuries, whatever. I think they're going to spread
Speaker 2: the ball around and the return of Mcole Hardeman and
Speaker 2: Terry Godwin, and I think it's fair to assume Jake
Speaker 2: From will have more of the offense at his disposable,
Speaker 2: at his disposal, excuse me, and we'll just have a
Speaker 2: better command where they won't have to necessarily gut it
Speaker 2: out on the ground more often than not, that Jake
Speaker 2: From will be trusted. You know, maybe Justin Field has
Speaker 2: used situationally there is room for more creativity now in
Speaker 2: year two of the From era.
Speaker 1: I do agree with that one hundred percent. My only point, though,
Speaker 1: I think we know that Kirby smart wants to run
Speaker 1: an Alabama style offense. I think we know that about
Speaker 1: him at this point, and I.
Speaker 2: Don't even know what that means in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: Well, it's more of a pro style, more of a
Speaker 1: balanced offense, let's say, than some other schools around the country.
Speaker 1: And in order to do that, you need to be
Speaker 1: effective on the ground. So I think if DeAndre Swift
Speaker 1: can't be effective, he will be pivotal in that the offense.
Speaker 1: The balance of that offense now shifts more towards a
Speaker 1: passing game. And I was encouraged by what we saw
Speaker 1: out of Jake from in the National Championship. He clearly
Speaker 1: made all the throws and certainly down the stretch he
Speaker 1: was very effective. But I know if I were a
Speaker 1: Georgia fan, I'd feel much better about what they can
Speaker 1: do knowing that DeAndre Swift is a productive member of
Speaker 1: that team.
Speaker 2: Oh he's yeah. His first step is electric that such
Speaker 2: to the point, such, to the point, come on, Dan
Speaker 2: speak English, to the point where you have to worry
Speaker 2: about him on every play if you're a sure offense,
Speaker 2: because he turns four into seventeen pretty easily and has
Speaker 2: the potential, especially if defenses are on their heels to
Speaker 2: be pretty special. I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 1: Let's do two more here on our Pivotal People Pivotal
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Speaker 1: podcast Soliverable at gmail dot com. If you want to
Speaker 1: weigh in, let us know what's on your mind. Dan,
Speaker 1: I did DeAndre Swift in the State of Georgia. Where
Speaker 1: you want to go next? Uh to?
Speaker 2: Whoever my next pivotal person, excuse me, is whoever edited
Speaker 2: that Obama video for Mike Leech to watch? That is
Speaker 2: my next pivotal person because that, let's go with Pease
Speaker 2: potentially could put that Pullman coach to I don't know,
Speaker 2: peril in peril. I'm gonna go with an actual pick
Speaker 2: for a pivotal person. Let's go to uh Okay, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go back West. And because you started with your
Speaker 2: alma mater, we're gonna finish with my alma mater. I
Speaker 2: brought them up briefly, but this is somebody that I
Speaker 2: have concern is the wrong word. I just I am
Speaker 2: shruggy faced about Marcus Arroyo, the new Oregon offensive coordinator.
Speaker 2: So you went with the offensive coordinator, your alma mater,
Speaker 2: I'm doing the same thing. It's our show. We can
Speaker 2: do what we want.
Speaker 1: Marcus, Marcus Arroyo, Marcus Arroyo, Yes, okay, So what what
Speaker 1: is your concern here about Marcus Arroyo. So my concern
Speaker 1: about Arroyo is Oregon is shifting offensive philosophies to what
Speaker 1: degree I don't know, but in the way Mario Cristobal
Speaker 1: has talked about it, he wants you know, he's recruiting
Speaker 1: bigger offensive lineman. He wants more of that ground and
Speaker 1: pound rather than that hurry up, Chip Kelly, no huddle
Speaker 1: speed speed speed.
Speaker 2: I think Oregon is going for more power power, power.
Speaker 2: Not that old offensive lines were not, you know, bulldozers
Speaker 2: in their own specific ways, but the scheme with an
Speaker 2: experienced and talented quarterback without I think a lot of
Speaker 2: talent at receiver or tight end some but nothing close
Speaker 2: to where it was in like twenty twelve, twenty eleven,
Speaker 2: and a defense that's improving. But Marcus Arroyo as a
Speaker 2: play caller, if you remember Willie Tagger called plays last year,
Speaker 2: if you remember the year before that, it's a different
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator was the Mark helfrich Era. I am not
Speaker 2: convinced that Marcus Arroyo is has I don't know how
Speaker 2: to phrase this tie. I'm not convinced of what to
Speaker 2: expect from Marcus Arroyo in this Oregon team. And that
Speaker 2: worries me because since two thousand and nine are really
Speaker 2: two thousand and seven, when Schip Kelly took over as coordinator,
Speaker 2: you had a sense for identity, you had a sense
Speaker 2: of what to expect, and each year, each quarterback was
Speaker 2: better than the last. And now there's just this enormous
Speaker 2: question about what this offense actually looks like with a
Speaker 2: coach that hopefully stays for longer than one year, right, right,
Speaker 2: So that's so my curiosity is pretty high if there's
Speaker 2: any question to me, Like, I think Oregon's pretty well
Speaker 2: defined at this point. You know, they're not as talented
Speaker 2: as they need to be if they're going to compete
Speaker 2: for the conference, but offensively, scheme wise, all the only
Speaker 2: real reference what we have with Arroyo is the Bowl game,
Speaker 2: which was like a day after Christo Baul was hired
Speaker 2: full time as the head coach, and the spring game,
Speaker 2: and they're just his career is a lot of Bizzytion
Speaker 2: coach stuff, a little bit of NFL quarterback. He worked
Speaker 2: with Jared Goff, so that's at least a good sign.
Speaker 2: But in terms of what a Marcus Royal offense will
Speaker 2: look like, it's a blank slate. There's nothing to say
Speaker 2: expect X, Y, and Z because of these three reasons.
Speaker 2: So who knows?
Speaker 1: What is your level of comfort with where Oregon is
Speaker 1: at now entering the twenty eighteen season. Just overall, I
Speaker 1: think that they will be Their record will be better
Speaker 1: than they actually are, which is not something we say
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 2: But their schedule sucks in that they don't really play
Speaker 2: anybody good. It's a nice schedule. Everything sort of sets
Speaker 2: up ideally, given the road home splits, given the non
Speaker 2: conference schedule. Offensively, Royce Freeman is going to be a
Speaker 2: big hole to fill. The offensive line should be very good,
Speaker 2: skill positions, not exactly where they've been these past few years.
Speaker 2: And defensively, I like them a lot. They're going to
Speaker 2: be young, They're going to play a lot of young guys,
Speaker 2: especially in the secondary freshman and sophomores. But I'm confident,
Speaker 2: given the current slate of quarterbacks in the Pac twelve,
Speaker 2: that they will be a top forty five defense, top
Speaker 2: forty defense in the country.
Speaker 1: Interesting. Yeah, okay, well I said two more items. I
Speaker 1: guess we could list a Soliverable podcast on here if
Speaker 1: we really wanted to be self congratulativotal.
Speaker 2: People from Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, email a Soliverble at gmail dot com. I
Speaker 1: think that does it for today. I think our lips
Speaker 1: are parched enough. I need to make sure that we
Speaker 1: preserve your voice, sure so that we could do this again.
Speaker 1: But just to recap here, in no particular order, Charles Chip,
Speaker 1: Kelly Clark, Lee, Derek Dooley, Marcus Arroyo, Ricky Ronnie, Malcolm Perry,
Speaker 1: DeAndre Swift, and Chico mcclatcher. We've got a list of
Speaker 1: about ten others that we're going to unveil next week.
Speaker 1: We're doing Pivotal People, Pivotal Players, pivotal personas here on
Speaker 1: the solid verbal again, just talking about the twenty eighteen
Speaker 1: season and some of the key players here in what
Speaker 1: we think is going to be a really fun season
Speaker 1: with a lot of cool storylines. If you've got any
Speaker 1: others that you would like to add, you can find
Speaker 1: us again at soliverblegmail dot com. Also on our website
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Speaker 1: as well as Apple Podcasts. So anywhere find podcasts can
Speaker 1: be found, you can find the solid verbal Dan. What
Speaker 1: else do I need to make sure I check off
Speaker 1: here before we let the find people go? Anything?
Speaker 2: If today's is the original, if this is the first
Speaker 2: part of Pivotal People, A lot of sequels have something
Speaker 2: in the name that set them apart from the original. Okay,
Speaker 2: and that's a that's a colon, So like Jurassic Park
Speaker 2: colon the Lost World? Right, So what if you could choose?
Speaker 2: Because we're in the business of hyping, of promoting, we
Speaker 2: want people to download next weeks to see who we're
Speaker 2: going to name in part two, give me a Pivotal
Speaker 2: People call in your move?
Speaker 1: What what what ghost protocol? Well, no, we're all that's a
Speaker 1: good one. We're also we're also in the business of
Speaker 1: offering a tease, because any any true showman knows how
Speaker 1: to choose what's coming next. So I would just lead
Speaker 1: people with this. If this was Pivotal People Part one.
Speaker 1: Next week's will be pivotal people colon in protecting Patterson.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I just I was gonna go pivotal people,
Speaker 2: call in persons of interest.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go a little bit more specific and going.
Speaker 2: Well, you want to alliterative with your pop filter, and
Speaker 2: I respect.
Speaker 1: That, protecting Patterson, Dan, I'm not afraid of my pop Patterson. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, let's just leave it at that. Draw your
Speaker 1: own conclusions again, Tell your friends about the show. We'll
Speaker 1: be here all off season. We got much to break
Speaker 1: over the next days and weeks about our live show
Speaker 1: and merchandise and website. Whole bunch of fun stuff on
Speaker 1: the way. Thank you for listening to the show. We
Speaker 1: will catch you all in a week. In the meantime
Speaker 1: for myself, Ty Hildebrand and that guy over there, Dan Rubinstein.
Speaker 1: As always, enjoy your week, enjoy your weekend, and stay
Speaker 1: solid peace.