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Speaker 1: The man Dan Rubinstein sir, how's it going.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty good. The voice is climbing back, climbing there

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Speaker 2: Finally came back to haunt me. But the voice is

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Speaker 1: So we're not going to be talking about the feats

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Speaker 2: And there's other factors that I think affect that pick

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Speaker 2: It's not just the loss of a singular, unique, at

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Speaker 1: Sure?

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Speaker 1: Again, anybody can pick trace mcsorly. He is very much

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Speaker 1: All right, So Ricky Ronnie our first entry here in Dan,

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Speaker 2: Pivot pivotal people.

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Speaker 1: There you go, number one in your new deep registered voice, think, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Dan? All right, you want to go? Should I choose

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Speaker 2: All right, I'm going to go outside, way outside of

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Speaker 2: You know? Is what UCF is? What they're doing impressive

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Speaker 2: Come on, come on, you think you're going to take

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Speaker 1: And it's interesting too, because there are a lot of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I included Notre Dame in that because they're

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Speaker 1: Well's let's stay there then with Notre Dame. Let's go

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Speaker 2: Starting out with Penn State and Notre Dame.

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Speaker 1: I think it's more of a defense and down your

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Speaker 1: I don't feel like they're going to score forty five

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Speaker 1: I think if Notre Dame plays solid defense, they give

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Speaker 2: to him and anybody else in A similar situation is

438
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Speaker 2: is should we be making peace with what Brandon Wimbush is?

439
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:57,199
Speaker 2: And granted again, first year quarterback, but generally you like

440
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Speaker 2: to see a progression. If you're going to ask the question,

441
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 2: if he's good, then what is Notre Dame's ceiling? Is

442
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:07,919
Speaker 2: what we saw last year enough to make a judgment

443
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 2: or do you feel like there is enough talent and

444
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 2: work to be done over summer that he can come

445
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 2: out looking more like Tommy Reese?

446
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 1: Yes, that was mean if you told me, and maybe

447
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 1: this isn't a direct answer, but if you told me

448
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,159
Speaker 1: now that Notre Dame was going to have a different

449
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 1: starting quarterback in twenty eighteen, I'd be perfectly fine with

450
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 1: that because I feel like we saw enough of Wimbush

451
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 1: to know what he is, and because we didn't see

452
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 1: any progression from start to find Ah a hell of

453
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 1: a runner, Dan, a hell of a runner, dynamic on

454
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Speaker 1: the ground, no doubt about it. Clearly the best runner

455
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Speaker 1: that they've got at their quarterback position on the roster,

456
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. But as a passer leaves a

457
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 1: lot to be desired. And when the word got out

458
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 1: that he couldn't throw and he couldn't be comfortable in

459
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 1: that pocket. It changed the dynamic a great deal. It

460
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: really truly did. I feel like we 's a known

461
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 1: quantity at this point. We know what we're getting. I

462
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 1: am skeptical that he's going to get a lot better

463
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: between the end of last season and the start of next.

464
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: If you told me now that they were going to

465
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: go to like filed your covic or Ian book, I'd

466
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: be perfectly cool with that trade off.

467
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Speaker 2: Okay, since sports gambling is now legal in certain states

468
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 2: more so than it was before. If you had to

469
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 2: wager twenty American dollars, who is starting, aside from any injuries,

470
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Speaker 2: who is starting against Pitt the first game of the

471
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,400
Speaker 2: back half of Notre Dame schedule.

472
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Speaker 1: If I'm betting money, I'm still going to go with

473
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Speaker 1: Brandon Wimbush.

474
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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, and I guess if they were going to

475
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Speaker 2: make a change, it might be after the pit game

476
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 2: because they have a bye week before Navy and the

477
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 2: Navy defense I would assume is somewhat friendly to a

478
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 2: new quarterback.

479
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Speaker 1: If I were betting money, I'll go I'd go Wimbush.

480
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Speaker 1: I still think it's Wimbushes to lose, But anyway, I

481
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,199
Speaker 1: don't want to bury the lead here, Clark Lee is

482
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: I think the direction that we go with the pivotal

483
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Speaker 1: people because Notre Dame needs that defense in any way,

484
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Speaker 1: shape or form, whether it's Wimbush or somebody else, the

485
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 1: defense absolutely needs to be solid. I think it can

486
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 1: do a lot for Notre Dame, especially given the schedule.

487
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: We can argue about whether or not Stanford is defined

488
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: by offense or defense, but I feel like a good

489
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Speaker 1: defense keeps you in the game against Stanford. A good

490
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Speaker 1: defense certainly keeps you in the game against a new

491
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Speaker 1: look Michigan now with presumably Shape Patterson as your quarterback.

492
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Speaker 1: Across the board, I don't look at Notre Dame schedule

493
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: and feel like there's any team on that schedule that

494
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Speaker 1: can blow them away with offense. So that means even

495
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 1: more so the defense can keep them in games even

496
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Speaker 1: if they're not performing optimally on offense. So Clark Lee,

497
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 1: Notre Dame defensive coordinator, everyone thinks he's a rising star.

498
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Speaker 1: I would like to see that in practice in the

499
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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen season. Clark Lee, Notre Dame defensive coordinator. He

500
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Speaker 1: is a pivotal person. Twenty eight pivotal person number three.

501
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Speaker 1: Good name Clarkley l E I g H l e A.

502
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Speaker 1: Oh okay l e A. Yeah, you know I'm gonna

503
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Speaker 1: go to I'm gonna go with a to a very

504
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Speaker 1: familiar person. And this I didn't actually put on our

505
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Speaker 1: shared Google document, but I have a feeling you're going

506
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Speaker 1: to be able to, uh.

507
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Speaker 2: To make do with this. And this is this is

508
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 2: a big mainstream name. Even though I'm not a big

509
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 2: you know, I like to be a college football hipster

510
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 2: as often as I can be. I'm gonna go with

511
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Speaker 2: Charles Chip Kelly Tie the Chip person number four. And

512
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 2: it's not for the reasons I think that are I

513
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 2: hope are not obvious. It's not because like, oh, Chips

514
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 2: back and you know he could make UCLA fun. Blah

515
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 2: blah blah. The reason I think ship Kelly is is

516
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 2: a pretty pivotal person. I do do I I do

517
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 2: have phone blocking all the piece. The PAC twelve has

518
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Speaker 2: a bit of a a branding issue, a bit of

519
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 2: it don't say yes, I do indeed say And it's

520
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 2: one of those what was the uh you know, I've

521
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 2: got a fever and the only prescription is more cowbell. Well,

522
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 2: the PAC twelve has a fever, and the only prescription

523
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 2: is an actual exciting storyline that's new and fresh and

524
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 2: that will that is familiar at the same time that

525
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 2: will make people want to whether they're on the West

526
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 2: coast or the Midwest, or the southwest, or the East

527
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 2: coast or wherever the south, that they will pay attention

528
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 2: to the Pac twelve more than they have in years

529
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 2: past and perhaps get good games in front of the

530
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Speaker 2: most anticipating audience. But in any case, it doesn't really

531
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 2: matter if Washington's really good again. I don't even feel

532
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 2: like it matters all that much if Oregon's all that

533
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 2: good this year because they don't really play anybody early on,

534
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 2: so there is no real early season excitement to generate

535
00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 2: buzz around Oregon. They're non conference schedules, particularly bad cal

536
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 2: I don't believe in as a huge improvement team. I

537
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 2: don't even really believe in UCLA is a huge improvement team.

538
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 2: But if they're feisty tie, if they do something early on,

539
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 2: if they catch Oklahoma looking back at the FAU game,

540
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 2: if that's like a crazy triple overtime game, which I

541
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 2: don't necessarily believe will be. But even if Khalil Tate

542
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 2: is once again total magic with the ball in his hand.

543
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 2: Didn't seem to matter last year all that much. If

544
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 2: usc is awesome, it's fine. It's expected. They have struggled

545
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 2: to perform on the national stage. So there's going to

546
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 2: be a lot of yeah, but what will they do

547
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 2: against a top team? But ty, if UCLA, and I

548
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 2: imagine UCLA is going to be well prepared for all

549
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 2: of their games, they might be out talented. I don't

550
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 2: think they're going to be out schemed. If UCLA is

551
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 2: enjoyable to watch and they can knock a couple of

552
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 2: teams off by really good coaching and just good situational execution,

553
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 2: whatever I think the PAC twelve becomes. And I already

554
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 2: saw the schedule, this part of the schedule is out.

555
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 2: UCLI opens the season at seven pm on ESPN, seven

556
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: pm Eastern, and that's against Cincinnati. Okay, I could not

557
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 2: imagine in previous years UCLA Cincinnati getting regular ESPN at

558
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 2: seven pm on opening Saturday night. So there's already attention

559
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 2: and buzz around Chip Kelly's arrival, and so they are

560
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 2: in a position to maximize that.

561
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Speaker 1: All right, So let me let me present the counterpoint,

562
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: because I also considered Charles chip Kelly is the is

563
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: the prescription that can cure the Pac twelve's fever? Really

564
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,959
Speaker 1: more offense with chip Kelly, more excitement with chip Kelly,

565
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: or is it more defense across the board something that

566
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: Charles chip Kelly doesn't quite have a reputation for.

567
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 2: Builder Are we gonna do Charles chip Kelly all year?

568
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: We might? I mean we could.

569
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Speaker 2: I'm okay with it. We should just make that decision

570
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 2: now mid June. I'm okay with sticking with it for now. Okay, Okay,

571
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 2: maybe it's just an offseason thing.

572
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: Is Charles chip Kelly truly what the conference needs because

573
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: he brings excitement? Or will the conference benefit more from

574
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: better defense across the board and then presumably better Bowl

575
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,479
Speaker 1: performance that follows now?

576
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 2: I think the best thing the Pac twelve can do

577
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 2: is produce the best possible TV show every week, and

578
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 2: I think exciting chip Kelly offenses because I really don't

579
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 2: when people watched and enjoyed Oregon before elsewhere and this

580
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 2: is not these are not my words, these are what

581
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,959
Speaker 2: you know. College football fans have told me that there

582
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 2: was just something fun about watching Oregon. It's the style

583
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 2: of offense uniforms whatever, and they happen to be really

584
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 2: good and they won a lot of games, so that

585
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 2: made it even more fun. And I think you Sel

586
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 2: eventually will win a bunch of games if sort of

587
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 2: the optimism is correct. But right now, in the short term,

588
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 2: this year, if chip Kelly, Charles chip Kelly can make

589
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 2: UCLA good TV, that I think will be a huge

590
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 2: boost to the PAC twelve.

591
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: All right, well, I am quite excited to watch Wilton

592
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: Spate potentially run an oop de up offense finessa offense Dan.

593
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 2: There was so many things wrong with that sentence, Ty,

594
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 2: so many things wrong.

595
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: Let's move on, let's stay actually a PAC twelve here.

596
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: I want to go up to Washington, Dan, great, great salmon,

597
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: presumably the favorite to win PAC twelve this year.

598
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 2: I would I would say so.

599
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, A lot of guys back Jake Browning, Miles Gaskin

600
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: back for I believe year eight for both of them. Now, yep,

601
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit about the wide receiver position.

602
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: Two years ago, Jake Browning threw forty three touchdown passes,

603
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: most of which went to John Ross. John Ross now

604
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: playing in the NFL, but after John Ross left, he

605
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: still had a reliable target in Dante Pettis. But now

606
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: Dante Pettis has gone as well, He's gone of the NFL.

607
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 2: YEP.

608
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: Jake Browning threw twenty four fewer touchdown passes in twenty

609
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: seventeen than he did twenty sixteen, just by virtue of

610
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: losing John Ross. Now Pettis has gone. If there isn't

611
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: somebody who can step up at the wide receiver position,

612
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: that could mean I think a great deal of unbalanced

613
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: in that offense, in the force that is the Washington

614
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Speaker 1: Huskies offense. So I ask you, Dan, if Chico mclatcher,

615
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Speaker 1: did I say that right?

616
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Speaker 2: All time? Great? Oh, great name one a top twenty

617
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 2: name in college football this year.

618
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: If Cheeko ain't there to be that force in the

619
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Speaker 1: wide receiving core, who's it going to be.

620
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 2: It's a good question. I like their tight end a lot,

621
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Speaker 2: but no downfield. That is an unanswerable question right now.

622
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: Chico and mcclatcher. Dan is a pivotal person, a pivotal player,

623
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: pittal player in the twenty eighteen season. He needs targets

624
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: in the passing game. He needs to help balance that

625
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: offense with what I'd imagine would be a Miles Gaskin

626
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: heavy scheme at least at the start of the twenty

627
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: eighteen season. He went down with a broken ankle at

628
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: the start of last year. He's a smaller guy, only

629
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Speaker 1: about five eight, but he is to your point, a

630
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: legit downfield, big play guy who can stretch defenses vertically.

631
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Speaker 1: He needs to perform at a high level. If not him,

632
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: then I don't know who. At a minimum, Chico mcclatcher

633
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: is a big cog in the works there for that

634
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: Washington offense. I think he is a pivotal player, big cog.

635
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 2: And I was very careful saying that smaller dude, and

636
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 2: there isn't really a proven big, literal big receiver like

637
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: I mean, Dante Pettis wasn't big either, but and I

638
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 2: think that's sort of the problem, Like there isn't that

639
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 2: big body. And we saw a little bit of that

640
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 2: against Alabama. And this is something we've talked about in

641
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 2: the past that one of the things that teams who

642
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 2: are able to hang with and move the ball through

643
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 2: the aregainst Alabama all have in common is that bigger receiver,

644
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: effective tight end down the field, hybrid sort of guy.

645
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 2: And Washington has a lot of interesting talent. Defensively, I

646
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: think they're going to be probably one of the best

647
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 2: five or six defenses in the country. Offensively, they have weapons.

648
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 2: I like Salve I think it's pronounced Salvin Ahmed. They're

649
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 2: all purpose type weapon behind Miles Gaskin, but they're on

650
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 2: the field at the same time. Sometimes I'm curious about

651
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 2: and I think Chiao mcclatch is the right pick here

652
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 2: because he does have a lot of experience. I'm curious

653
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Speaker 2: about what this offense looks like where you don't have

654
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 2: a lot of big, proven downfield threat, really experienced quarterback,

655
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 2: but could we I mean a lot of misdirection, a

656
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 2: lot of end a round type stuff, option type stuff.

657
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 2: Not Jake Browning is, That's not what he does, but

658
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 2: he's mobile. I'm curious to see how they are able

659
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 2: to scheme around their limitations and turn them into strengths.

660
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: Well, it may not be what Jake Browning does, but hell,

661
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: we know it's what Chris Peterson does or what he

662
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: has done at his previous top the Boise State.

663
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, no, I am. I'm looking forward to the creativity,

664
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: all right.

665
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 1: So Chico mcclatcher is our pivotal pivotal person on this list.

666
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: We've done two in a row now from the PAC twelve. Dan,

667
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: let's go to a different conference. Where do you want

668
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: to go?

669
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 2: I'm going to go to the Southeastern Conference if I may.

670
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 2: I'm going to select an offensive mind that isn't necessarily

671
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 2: on the proven level of Charles chip Kelly.

672
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: Wow, it's hard to believe you could find someone.

673
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 2: But hard to believe. Uh, Derek Duley.

674
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: WHOA, You're going with a very strong head of hair there?

675
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: If I don't sing with a very strong blackhead of

676
00:35:58,800 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 1: Bob Diaco hair.

677
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 2: Yes, lot of black Bob Diaco hair and a lot

678
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 2: of strong shower opinions if my memory serfs. Yeah, while

679
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 2: at Tennessee. So he's a new offensive coordinator at Miszoo.

680
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 2: This was an offense that was arguably and they didn't

681
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 2: have the strongest SEC schedule last year playing in the East,

682
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: but it was arguably the best or second best offense

683
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: behind Georgia's last year because of how strong and how

684
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,439
Speaker 2: well Drew Locke came on the second half of the year.

685
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 2: They had a great receiver in Jimon Moore. It was

686
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 2: really fun to watch in November and really seemed to

687
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 2: turn a corner after starting out so horrendously. But with

688
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 2: Josh Hipel moving on to UCF and by all indications

689
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 2: and reports, they had the opportunity to hire an interview

690
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 2: guys with more of a track record let's say, at

691
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator, college pro whatever, than Derek Dooley, who has

692
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 2: most recently been fired by Tennessee and coached receivers at

693
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 2: in Dallas for the Cowboys. He was let go not

694
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 2: retained in Dallas. And I don't know if it's a

695
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 2: he's familiar with the SEC. He has head coaching experience,

696
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 2: He's another experience mind in the office. But Barry Odom

697
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 2: hired Derek Dooley to take his potential first round quarterback

698
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 2: to the next level and either help or really hurt

699
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: Barry Odom's own situation in Columbia. I don't know if

700
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 2: it's going to go all that well. There is talent

701
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 2: on offense, they have a couple of nice running backs.

702
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 2: They bring back experienced receivers, not the top guys. But

703
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be interesting, not just for

704
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 2: Miszoo reasons, but sort of in the way that we

705
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: talked about Malcolm Perry they have Georgia and I think

706
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 2: they go to Alabama the first half of the season,

707
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 2: so you'll get sort of a good sense of whether

708
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,919
Speaker 2: or not they're competitive. And they did score some points

709
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 2: against Georgia last year. We'll get a sense of their

710
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 2: competitive nature or whatever. But in the second half of

711
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 2: the season, when I think it's more fair to judge

712
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 2: new coaches, and this isn't about Duley, they have Florida

713
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 2: and Tennessee, both on the road, So in a strange way,

714
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,959
Speaker 2: Miszoo sort of as a probably decent team, they become

715
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 2: an interesting bellweather for Jeremy Prude and Dan Mullen late

716
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 2: in the season at home. And those are two teams

717
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 2: that are certainly more talented than Missouo at this point

718
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 2: to see where they stand. So curious about it on

719
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 2: two levels.

720
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: Well, a bright minded head coach will hire assistants that

721
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: fill in his own deficiencies. Sure, and Barriotom may be

722
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: looking at that Bob Diaco man here and saying, this

723
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: is something I need in my arsenal. I don't know

724
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: if you've looked at Barriotom's hair, but just throwing it

725
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:56,919
Speaker 1: out there, you know, I looked at missoo, and I

726
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: was considering Drew Locke because Drew Locke came on like

727
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: a freight t last year. The offense really as a

728
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 1: whole did and of course they lose their offensive coordinator

729
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: now to UCF. I'm very curious in this selection. I

730
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 1: too feel like Dooley is the right name to put

731
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: on this list because his hiring was a bit confounding.

732
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,240
Speaker 1: He really truly was, and we can question the logic

733
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: behind it. If Drew Locke comes out there and isn't

734
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: able to ignite the offense the way he did a

735
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: year ago, my guess is that we'll be hearing a

736
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: lot about Derek Dooley in a negative context all throughout

737
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: the twenty eighteen season.

738
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 2: It has some Brady Hoke to it, it really does.

739
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 2: I don't think Barry odim by the end of last year,

740
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 2: with how he turned things around, at least before the

741
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 2: bowl game, I don't think he was in that same

742
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 2: precarious situation as Mark Helfrich was. But the idea of

743
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 2: bringing on a failed coach to coach a very specific

744
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 2: thing that he didn't really have any recent experience doing.

745
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 2: That's worrisome to me and almost ma makes me think

746
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 2: Barry Otom do you think Barry Odom saw Derek Dooley

747
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 2: and just assumed he was Mike Shanahan. Do you think

748
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 2: and like they just have this unspoken thing where Derek

749
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 2: Dooley is like, yeah, he wants to hire me Derek Dooley,

750
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 2: and Barry Odam's like, I can't believe we got Mike Shannon.

751
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: Say, Vince Dooley.

752
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 2: Vince Dooley. Well, I mean, Mike Shanahan at least looks

753
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 2: like Derek Dooley. I mean, I am I wrong? Do

754
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 2: they have at least they could they be cousins of

755
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 2: some kind?

756
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 1: They have the same shaped head, I'd say.

757
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I will see.

758
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: Speaking of the Dooleys, can I can I go to

759
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: the state of Georgia here for a second place?

760
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 2: It's gonna be warm, but yes, for.

761
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: Our next selection here. So I think we're both player,

762
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: we're both content going Derek Dooley, Oh yeah, Missouri offensive coordinator.

763
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: On the topic of Dooley's let's go to Georgia, and

764
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: obviously Georgia, you could go a variety of different directions.

765
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: Directions for the Georgia Bulldogs. H Jake from is a

766
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: very interesting name. Here, if only because he led the

767
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: Georgia Bulldogs to the National Championship Game as a true freshman.

768
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: I think Kirby Smart's offense, if we know anything about

769
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 1: what he's built in the early going at Georgia, runs

770
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: through the running back position. We saw it last year

771
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: with Nick Chubb and Sony Michelle clearly a dynamic duo

772
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: at the running back position, and then as the year

773
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: wore on, we saw a little bit more of DeAndre Swift.

774
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: DeAndre Swift from my neck of the woods up here

775
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania had six hundred and eighteen yards, but more

776
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: importantly seven point six per carry and really started to

777
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: be a name that we talk more about in big

778
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: game situations. It's just sort of a change of pace back.

779
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 2: Not a big guy, right solid I would I say,

780
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 2: I think he's like five ten two fifteen like there is.

781
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 2: He is compact, but I think sturdy.

782
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: Plays bigger than his size might indicate. The heart of

783
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: that Georgia campaign was really through the running game, and

784
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: I think now DeAndre Swift needs to step up and

785
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: be that guy. They got some guys behind him who

786
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: clearly we're going to see more of as the year progresses.

787
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: But at least to start. If Georgia wants to pick

788
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: up where it left off a year ago, it's going

789
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: to be on the shoulders of DeAndre Swift. And let's

790
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: be honest, it's it's a tough act to follow. It's

791
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: a tough schedule to be a running back in just

792
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 1: because SEC defenses are bigger or stronger, are particularly along

793
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: that defensive line. He's got his work cut out for him, Dan,

794
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: And if Georgia can't be effective on the ground, it

795
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: puts more pressure on from It puts more pressure on

796
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: just that team as a whole. So DeAndre Swift running

797
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: back Georgia is a pivotal person. He needs to step up.

798
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: He needs to assume the mantle that was left I

799
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 1: guess in the wake of Nick Chubb and Sony Michelle.

800
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 2: Pivotal person. Yeah, I think that's a good choice. There is,

801
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 2: as you mentioned, talent behind him. They recruited two blue

802
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: chip running backs this past year, including so is Zamir White,

803
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 2: Samir one running back.

804
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

805
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: Oh, Zamir White is a good name and hopefully he

806
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 2: has good knee tendons because he tore his ACL in December.

807
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 2: I want to say, but he is rehabbing, and if

808
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 2: he's healthy, I assume he'll play some, especially with the

809
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 2: new red shirt rule, but I don't think they're in

810
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 2: any sort of hurry to put his knee in jeopardy.

811
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 2: They have Elijah Holyfields, Dalvin Cooast, little brother, James Cook,

812
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 2: and the good news about this offense in general is

813
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: I can't see a situation in which they are leaning

814
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 2: on DeAndre Swift the way they leaned on Nick Chubb

815
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 2: early on in his career, whether it was because of

816
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 2: Sony Michelle's injuries, whatever. I think they're going to spread

817
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 2: the ball around and the return of Mcole Hardeman and

818
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 2: Terry Godwin, and I think it's fair to assume Jake

819
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 2: From will have more of the offense at his disposable,

820
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,879
Speaker 2: at his disposal, excuse me, and we'll just have a

821
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 2: better command where they won't have to necessarily gut it

822
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,919
Speaker 2: out on the ground more often than not, that Jake

823
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 2: From will be trusted. You know, maybe Justin Field has

824
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 2: used situationally there is room for more creativity now in

825
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:22,439
Speaker 2: year two of the From era.

826
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: I do agree with that one hundred percent. My only point, though,

827
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: I think we know that Kirby smart wants to run

828
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 1: an Alabama style offense. I think we know that about

829
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: him at this point, and I.

830
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 2: Don't even know what that means in twenty eighteen.

831
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: Well, it's more of a pro style, more of a

832
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: balanced offense, let's say, than some other schools around the country.

833
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: And in order to do that, you need to be

834
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: effective on the ground. So I think if DeAndre Swift

835
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 1: can't be effective, he will be pivotal in that the offense.

836
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: The balance of that offense now shifts more towards a

837
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: passing game. And I was encouraged by what we saw

838
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,280
Speaker 1: out of Jake from in the National Championship. He clearly

839
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: made all the throws and certainly down the stretch he

840
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: was very effective. But I know if I were a

841
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: Georgia fan, I'd feel much better about what they can

842
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: do knowing that DeAndre Swift is a productive member of

843
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: that team.

844
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 2: Oh he's yeah. His first step is electric that such

845
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 2: to the point, such, to the point, come on, Dan

846
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,479
Speaker 2: speak English, to the point where you have to worry

847
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 2: about him on every play if you're a sure offense,

848
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 2: because he turns four into seventeen pretty easily and has

849
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 2: the potential, especially if defenses are on their heels to

850
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 2: be pretty special. I'm looking forward to it.

851
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 1: Let's do two more here on our Pivotal People Pivotal

852
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: People Part one show on this the Solid Verbal Collegeable

853
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: podcast Soliverable at gmail dot com. If you want to

854
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: weigh in, let us know what's on your mind. Dan,

855
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: I did DeAndre Swift in the State of Georgia. Where

856
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: you want to go next? Uh to?

857
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,240
Speaker 2: Whoever my next pivotal person, excuse me, is whoever edited

858
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 2: that Obama video for Mike Leech to watch? That is

859
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 2: my next pivotal person because that, let's go with Pease

860
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 2: potentially could put that Pullman coach to I don't know,

861
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 2: peril in peril. I'm gonna go with an actual pick

862
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 2: for a pivotal person. Let's go to uh Okay, I'm

863
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 2: gonna go back West. And because you started with your

864
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 2: alma mater, we're gonna finish with my alma mater. I

865
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 2: brought them up briefly, but this is somebody that I

866
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 2: have concern is the wrong word. I just I am

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Speaker 2: shruggy faced about Marcus Arroyo, the new Oregon offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 2: So you went with the offensive coordinator, your alma mater,

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Speaker 2: I'm doing the same thing. It's our show. We can

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Speaker 2: do what we want.

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Speaker 1: Marcus, Marcus Arroyo, Marcus Arroyo, Yes, okay, So what what

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Speaker 1: is your concern here about Marcus Arroyo. So my concern

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Speaker 1: about Arroyo is Oregon is shifting offensive philosophies to what

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Speaker 1: degree I don't know, but in the way Mario Cristobal

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Speaker 1: has talked about it, he wants you know, he's recruiting

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Speaker 1: bigger offensive lineman. He wants more of that ground and

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Speaker 1: pound rather than that hurry up, Chip Kelly, no huddle

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Speaker 1: speed speed speed.

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Speaker 2: I think Oregon is going for more power power, power.

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Speaker 2: Not that old offensive lines were not, you know, bulldozers

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Speaker 2: in their own specific ways, but the scheme with an

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Speaker 2: experienced and talented quarterback without I think a lot of

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Speaker 2: talent at receiver or tight end some but nothing close

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Speaker 2: to where it was in like twenty twelve, twenty eleven,

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Speaker 2: and a defense that's improving. But Marcus Arroyo as a

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Speaker 2: play caller, if you remember Willie Tagger called plays last year,

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Speaker 2: if you remember the year before that, it's a different

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Speaker 2: offensive coordinator was the Mark helfrich Era. I am not

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Speaker 2: convinced that Marcus Arroyo is has I don't know how

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Speaker 2: to phrase this tie. I'm not convinced of what to

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Speaker 2: expect from Marcus Arroyo in this Oregon team. And that

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Speaker 2: worries me because since two thousand and nine are really

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Speaker 2: two thousand and seven, when Schip Kelly took over as coordinator,

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Speaker 2: you had a sense for identity, you had a sense

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Speaker 2: of what to expect, and each year, each quarterback was

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Speaker 2: better than the last. And now there's just this enormous

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Speaker 2: question about what this offense actually looks like with a

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Speaker 2: coach that hopefully stays for longer than one year, right, right,

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Speaker 2: So that's so my curiosity is pretty high if there's

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Speaker 2: any question to me, Like, I think Oregon's pretty well

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Speaker 2: defined at this point. You know, they're not as talented

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Speaker 2: as they need to be if they're going to compete

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Speaker 2: for the conference, but offensively, scheme wise, all the only

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Speaker 2: real reference what we have with Arroyo is the Bowl game,

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Speaker 2: which was like a day after Christo Baul was hired

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Speaker 2: full time as the head coach, and the spring game,

907
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Speaker 2: and they're just his career is a lot of Bizzytion

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Speaker 2: coach stuff, a little bit of NFL quarterback. He worked

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Speaker 2: with Jared Goff, so that's at least a good sign.

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Speaker 2: But in terms of what a Marcus Royal offense will

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Speaker 2: look like, it's a blank slate. There's nothing to say

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Speaker 2: expect X, Y, and Z because of these three reasons.

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Speaker 2: So who knows?

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Speaker 1: What is your level of comfort with where Oregon is

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Speaker 1: at now entering the twenty eighteen season. Just overall, I

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Speaker 1: think that they will be Their record will be better

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Speaker 1: than they actually are, which is not something we say

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Speaker 1: a lot.

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Speaker 2: But their schedule sucks in that they don't really play

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Speaker 2: anybody good. It's a nice schedule. Everything sort of sets

921
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Speaker 2: up ideally, given the road home splits, given the non

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Speaker 2: conference schedule. Offensively, Royce Freeman is going to be a

923
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Speaker 2: big hole to fill. The offensive line should be very good,

924
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Speaker 2: skill positions, not exactly where they've been these past few years.

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Speaker 2: And defensively, I like them a lot. They're going to

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Speaker 2: be young, They're going to play a lot of young guys,

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Speaker 2: especially in the secondary freshman and sophomores. But I'm confident,

928
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Speaker 2: given the current slate of quarterbacks in the Pac twelve,

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Speaker 2: that they will be a top forty five defense, top

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Speaker 2: forty defense in the country.

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Speaker 1: Interesting. Yeah, okay, well I said two more items. I

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Speaker 1: guess we could list a Soliverable podcast on here if

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Speaker 1: we really wanted to be self congratulativotal.

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Speaker 2: People from Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, email a Soliverble at gmail dot com. I

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Speaker 1: think that does it for today. I think our lips

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Speaker 1: are parched enough. I need to make sure that we

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Speaker 1: preserve your voice, sure so that we could do this again.

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Speaker 1: But just to recap here, in no particular order, Charles Chip,

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Speaker 1: Kelly Clark, Lee, Derek Dooley, Marcus Arroyo, Ricky Ronnie, Malcolm Perry,

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Swift, and Chico mcclatcher. We've got a list of

942
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Speaker 1: about ten others that we're going to unveil next week.

943
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Speaker 1: We're doing Pivotal People, Pivotal Players, pivotal personas here on

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Speaker 1: the solid verbal again, just talking about the twenty eighteen

945
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Speaker 1: season and some of the key players here in what

946
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Speaker 1: we think is going to be a really fun season

947
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Speaker 1: with a lot of cool storylines. If you've got any

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Speaker 1: others that you would like to add, you can find

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Speaker 1: us again at soliverblegmail dot com. Also on our website

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Speaker 1: at soliverble dot com. Also don't forget to follow us

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Speaker 1: on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, We've got a YouTube channel. We're

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Speaker 1: also on Spotify, We're on Stitcher, we're on tune in,

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Speaker 1: and of course Google play podcasts, which now has an app,

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Speaker 1: as well as Apple Podcasts. So anywhere find podcasts can

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Speaker 1: be found, you can find the solid verbal Dan. What

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Speaker 1: else do I need to make sure I check off

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Speaker 1: here before we let the find people go? Anything?

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Speaker 2: If today's is the original, if this is the first

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Speaker 2: part of Pivotal People, A lot of sequels have something

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Speaker 2: in the name that set them apart from the original. Okay,

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Speaker 2: and that's a that's a colon, So like Jurassic Park

962
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Speaker 2: colon the Lost World? Right, So what if you could choose?

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Speaker 2: Because we're in the business of hyping, of promoting, we

964
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Speaker 2: want people to download next weeks to see who we're

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Speaker 2: going to name in part two, give me a Pivotal

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Speaker 2: People call in your move?

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Speaker 1: What what what ghost protocol? Well, no, we're all that's a

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Speaker 1: good one. We're also we're also in the business of

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Speaker 1: offering a tease, because any any true showman knows how

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Speaker 1: to choose what's coming next. So I would just lead

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Speaker 1: people with this. If this was Pivotal People Part one.

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Speaker 1: Next week's will be pivotal people colon in protecting Patterson.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, I just I was gonna go pivotal people,

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Speaker 2: call in persons of interest.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go a little bit more specific and going.

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Speaker 2: Well, you want to alliterative with your pop filter, and

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Speaker 2: I respect.

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Speaker 1: That, protecting Patterson, Dan, I'm not afraid of my pop Patterson. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, let's just leave it at that. Draw your

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Speaker 1: own conclusions again, Tell your friends about the show. We'll

981
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Speaker 1: be here all off season. We got much to break

982
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Speaker 1: over the next days and weeks about our live show

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Speaker 1: and merchandise and website. Whole bunch of fun stuff on

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Speaker 1: the way. Thank you for listening to the show. We

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Speaker 1: will catch you all in a week. In the meantime

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Speaker 1: for myself, Ty Hildebrand and that guy over there, Dan Rubinstein.

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Speaker 1: As always, enjoy your week, enjoy your weekend, and stay

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Speaker 1: solid peace.