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Speaker 1: It's the meat Eater podcast. But Yannie is selling Hunt
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Speaker 1: t shirts. My brother and I started this project maybe
Speaker 1: three years ago now, really yeah, yeah, it started slowly,
Speaker 1: we started talking about it, you know. But how it
Speaker 1: came about was the fact that I love to hunt.
Speaker 1: I love to tell people about hunting. I love to wear.
Speaker 1: I wanted to wear a hunting T shirt that represented
Speaker 1: really the way I felt about hunting, and I really
Speaker 1: didn't feel like I could find that at Cobells and
Speaker 1: Sportsmans at the time. So we started making our own
Speaker 1: hunt shirts. Let many states ago now Montana, Colorado, Texas,
Speaker 1: and we have a couple just kind of blank hunt
Speaker 1: Eat shirts, not state affiliated. Now I've always been able
Speaker 1: to say because I'm always plugging Yanni's T shirt company,
Speaker 1: his his T shirt Empire, because I don't, uh you know,
Speaker 1: I don't have any steak in the game, right back
Speaker 1: me up on this. No, all you get is a
Speaker 1: couple of free T shirts I guess it called free teachers,
Speaker 1: and already have two many T shirts. But now that's
Speaker 1: gonna change because Janni is actually um gonna be working
Speaker 1: on his design. He and his design team at the
Speaker 1: corporate headquarters World Headquarters, at the World at the Hunt
Speaker 1: Eat World Headquarters are gonna be working up a meat
Speaker 1: Eat or hunt Eat shirt. No, it actually got the
Speaker 1: design got approved late last night, and uh the graphics
Speaker 1: guys doing the final artwork on it this week, so
Speaker 1: I haven't even seen it. But this new shirt is
Speaker 1: going to be available through me Eater channels and also
Speaker 1: through Yanni's own Hunt Eat. What's your hunt eat dot com? Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: h U N T T O E A T. Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't put the two letter two in there. Someone else
Speaker 1: already snagged that. Doing main name really find know who? Well, well,
Speaker 1: it's the same thing with like meat eater dot com.
Speaker 1: You know, We've tried to contact him left and right,
Speaker 1: and it's you know, he's got a Facebook page. But
Speaker 1: it's more it's like hunting for restaurants is kind of
Speaker 1: is the basis, but there's nothing there, you know. Uh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about not that now we're done plugging
Speaker 1: Yanni's T shirt company. We're actually the thing I want
Speaker 1: to talk about right now, Like the purpose of this
Speaker 1: episode is to make a gigantic infomercial about the guide
Speaker 1: book volumes that we've been working on called The Complete Guy,
Speaker 1: The Hunting Butcher and Cooking, Wild Game, Buying One Big Game,
Speaker 1: Buying two Small Games. But first I want to like
Speaker 1: talk about a different aspect of books. And it's because
Speaker 1: Janice my whole life, like my my whole professional life
Speaker 1: or hunting life, whatever, both of those lives. People have
Speaker 1: been telling me to read Jack O'Connor, who is You'll
Speaker 1: hear many descriptions as the guy. He's like the granddaddy, Okay,
Speaker 1: the first, the original what's known as a gun writer. Right,
Speaker 1: he was at out their life for a bazillion years.
Speaker 1: He was doing like the bulk of his hunting and
Speaker 1: writing kind of in the post World War two years. Okay,
Speaker 1: up and up well into the seventies. And if you
Speaker 1: own a TO seventy, you own a TO seventy because
Speaker 1: of Jack O'Connor. Right. He it was a great champion
Speaker 1: of that cartridge. And I was guilty of having never like,
Speaker 1: despite everybody always saying like, oh, you should read Jack O'Connor,
Speaker 1: I never read Jack O'Connor. One of these people always
Speaker 1: tell you about to read Jack O'Connor is because you know,
Speaker 1: he liked to hunt Cousder and I like CU's dere um.
Speaker 1: He's also a big sheep guy. So I started reading.
Speaker 1: Yanni gave me a book. It's like the complete Jack O'Connor, um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: some sort of like a compilation greatest of I think. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been a very difficult read for me. Why. I'll
Speaker 1: start out by saying this, I'll started saying, Jack O'Connor,
Speaker 1: and then I encourage you, listener, I encourage you to
Speaker 1: read some Jack O'Connor. What Jack O'Connor has going for
Speaker 1: him is he's a fantastic writer. Okay, he's a he's
Speaker 1: a great writer. Yes, when you read some of those stories,
Speaker 1: I feel like when he's talking about even though it's
Speaker 1: a warm beer because back then they didn't refrigerate their
Speaker 1: beer when they're out camping. He talked about coming back
Speaker 1: from accuse deer hunt and like sitting in like a
Speaker 1: hot tent but cracking this like warm beer, and man,
Speaker 1: when he describes it, I was like, man, I'm right
Speaker 1: there drinking that beer with you. Great writer. Um has
Speaker 1: unique ways of getting into and out of his stories,
Speaker 1: you know, a phenomenal craftsman of words. But I just
Speaker 1: like the like gun writer thing is always very troubling
Speaker 1: to me because, like you get the sense rend O'Connor,
Speaker 1: that guy wouldn't go on a squirrel hunt without a guide.
Speaker 1: Do you think, yeah, he's just like he in some
Speaker 1: ways the old gun writers and some gun writers they're
Speaker 1: like they seem like trigger men. They are out there
Speaker 1: to shoot right and everything else to them is just like,
Speaker 1: besides the shooting, everything else to them is just like
Speaker 1: details they can't be bothered with, right. But I feel
Speaker 1: like back in his day's take me out so I
Speaker 1: can shoot something. That's what I feel like their attitude is.
Speaker 1: And he's got this thing too, like this like he
Speaker 1: probably started this, the whole gunwriter thing where he goes
Speaker 1: he's talking about shooting at these doll sheet and reading's
Speaker 1: description brings to mind, now everyone's great fear is about
Speaker 1: long range shooting, like out like long rain. And she
Speaker 1: was like, oh, people are taking these shots. You shouln't
Speaker 1: be taken. Yeah, But here's Jack O'Connor like bragging up
Speaker 1: about taking three yard shots at doll sheep running full tilt, yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's like aiming eight feet off the end of
Speaker 1: its nose, gets up there, he's got one in the jaw,
Speaker 1: one in the ass, one on the back, one through
Speaker 1: the lungs, and then he goes into that dumb thing
Speaker 1: gunwriters going to where he's like, okay, so he like
Speaker 1: fills this thing full of holes taking shots he should
Speaker 1: never be taken. Then she drags it down to the
Speaker 1: ground and he's like, oh, in the grain you know,
Speaker 1: the or the hundred and sixty grain boat tail pushed
Speaker 1: by fifty six grains of in a blank. Primer really
Speaker 1: did his job, and like you didn't. It's just ridiculous.
Speaker 1: It's like when you're reading gun writers now and they
Speaker 1: always have that part where like we went to wherever
Speaker 1: to to Africa to test out the new load, and
Speaker 1: they talk about this hunt like in the bullet. Really
Speaker 1: it's like really, like that's that's that's not how the
Speaker 1: test things in real life. So you can't like act
Speaker 1: like that's a test, right, It's just just making anecdotal observations.
Speaker 1: And here you're anecdotal observation. It is based off blasting
Speaker 1: away at adults. Sheeps is running full tilt. He's like
Speaker 1: every shot the guy takes makes you cringe. He's got,
Speaker 1: he's got. It was almost a hundred years ago. No, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I just feel like it was there was there
Speaker 1: were different ethics back then. I'm not talking about different ethics.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about it's just like, yeah, but it's the
Speaker 1: same people's stuff are saying now. People act like, oh,
Speaker 1: the old days, right, So people think about Jack O'Connor, right,
Speaker 1: like the old people didn't take these shots that were
Speaker 1: you know, people were experienced and and um, you know,
Speaker 1: like the old one shot, one bullet deal. And now
Speaker 1: you got these long range guys taking shot nation never
Speaker 1: be taken. And here's this iconic like everyone's favorite gun writer,
Speaker 1: right taking ridiculous shots. The guys nowadays don't take. Yeah,
Speaker 1: people still do take him. But I don't think people.
Speaker 1: I don't think you'll find many dolls sheep hunters are
Speaker 1: shooting at full tilt running dolls sheep at three d yards.
Speaker 1: I doubt it. I think a lot of guys would
Speaker 1: be like nope. But here's the guy getting famous off
Speaker 1: that stuff. He's going to take a crack at a
Speaker 1: doll sheep where there's a U standing there in a
Speaker 1: ram standing behind the you, and he can just see
Speaker 1: the crest of its back behind the EU, and he
Speaker 1: takes a shot seeing if he can't nick it spine.
Speaker 1: He's taking ask shots, ear shots, and he like he's
Speaker 1: just shooting. That's what I'm saying. That's how it was.
Speaker 1: It was okay to do that back then. I still
Speaker 1: think that now. Maybe not skimming one over the back
Speaker 1: of a U and into the spine of one is
Speaker 1: something that someone's gonna try today. But I still feel
Speaker 1: like people are taking I mean, think about anlo. How
Speaker 1: many dudes do you think are shooting at running animos
Speaker 1: every day? I've killed running alo. Yeah. Like, I just
Speaker 1: feel like now people are discussing that more in a
Speaker 1: is this okay to do you know, ethics type of conversation.
Speaker 1: We're back then it was okay. I mean look at
Speaker 1: Art Young and Saxon Pope. Those boys used to launch.
Speaker 1: They used to go on hunt trips with like a
Speaker 1: thousand arrows because they see one game animal at a
Speaker 1: hundred yards and would just start launching, you know, like
Speaker 1: a war, you know, just raining arrows. And that was that's,
Speaker 1: you know, the beginning of the Pope and Young club.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, my owd man, that's a good point. My
Speaker 1: old man was involved in Pope and Young way ago,
Speaker 1: like in the fifties, right. He was bow hunting back
Speaker 1: before their both seasons, you know. And he knew this
Speaker 1: guy from the Chicago because he was big in Chicago bowman,
Speaker 1: like a Chicago area archery club before he moved to Michigan.
Speaker 1: I was born and there was some guy at this
Speaker 1: club called Art Laha. I guess he was some kind
Speaker 1: of big, you know, big swinging dick figure in uh
Speaker 1: bow hunt at the time, and he had this video
Speaker 1: he made or he went went up to Alaska and
Speaker 1: just shooting, you know. And I remember he pulls up,
Speaker 1: he's out with some Eskimo hunters off the west coast
Speaker 1: of Alaska and pulls up on some walrus on an
Speaker 1: ice flow and puts an arrow into a walrus. And
Speaker 1: it's like the walters didn't even know what happened, right,
Speaker 1: He's just kind of curious what had happened. It's like
Speaker 1: the walrus just didn't even like register the shot. Remember,
Speaker 1: it's just like a different that's what that was, a
Speaker 1: real world test. That's pre that's pre Marine Mammal Protection
Speaker 1: Act obviously. So you might have a point where just
Speaker 1: like the standards have changed over the years. But I expected,
Speaker 1: just after hearing about O'Connor all these years, I expected
Speaker 1: to read it and have the guy who had some
Speaker 1: reasonable things to say about making the shop, right, Like,
Speaker 1: here's this old guy, the old guard, right, your master,
Speaker 1: the original, and you read and you're expecting to hear
Speaker 1: like just great insights about making the shot. Instead, it's
Speaker 1: just a book of page after page after page of
Speaker 1: you know, five bucks came running by and we all
Speaker 1: just opened up. We got order. We don't know if
Speaker 1: we had any. Yeah, you were. You went in there
Speaker 1: with expectations. That was where you messed up. He went
Speaker 1: in there thinking you knew what what you're gonna read there? Um,
Speaker 1: But he's a good writer. Yeah, No, I just I
Speaker 1: feel like he was just a he was I mean,
Speaker 1: what do you want to call it? A gun writer
Speaker 1: or a trigger trigger an adventure writer. He just wrote
Speaker 1: about the hunts that he went on. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been difficult for me reading reading Jack. Well, the
Speaker 1: reason I gave you sitting on the I was sitting
Speaker 1: on the couch next to my woman last night reading
Speaker 1: a little Jack O'Connor. I haven't taken it lightly. I'm
Speaker 1: reading to damn thing. My brother told me to read it,
Speaker 1: and you and everybody. Yeah, the other guy still haven't read.
Speaker 1: Every talks about his Rourke, like, what's his name? Ruark
Speaker 1: Rourke ar some big African game hunter Robert. I gotta
Speaker 1: read him too, But I'm kind of you know what
Speaker 1: I'm not into, like was he right in that same
Speaker 1: time period? I'll read anything about hunting that was written
Speaker 1: pre World War One. But I think I'm just not
Speaker 1: cut out for post war post say post war, I
Speaker 1: mean post World War two. I'm not cut off for
Speaker 1: the post war generation of which my father was a member.
Speaker 1: Who and here's his image right here on my desk,
Speaker 1: sitting there with a pope and young Colorado black bear
Speaker 1: that he uh killed. Yanni was commenting on that because
Speaker 1: there's a pack of hounds there and you can no
Speaker 1: longer hunt bears and hounds in Colorado. That and his
Speaker 1: apparel dates that photo. And and before we started recording
Speaker 1: your Jane was talking about how now you know where
Speaker 1: we all run around in synthetics for mountain hunting. And
Speaker 1: he's like, how did you manage all that wet stuff?
Speaker 1: Cotton wool? Yeah, the dudes spend more time tending to
Speaker 1: their duds or did they just spend more time wet? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And it's all relative, you know. It's not like they
Speaker 1: were any more uncomfortable than we are when we're out there. No,
Speaker 1: keep mind too like this. He had spent a couple
Speaker 1: of years hiking from southern Italy up in the Europe
Speaker 1: during World War Two, living in a hole in the ground.
Speaker 1: So imagine like, you know, just people who camp a
Speaker 1: lot can't better you know, so at that way, like yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe after that, like that generation of guys that fought
Speaker 1: probably were able to deal with a lot of discomfort,
Speaker 1: the same way that you and I will deal with
Speaker 1: a lot more discomfort than people who haven't been camping.
Speaker 1: You just learned to get you become accustomed to the
Speaker 1: feeling of wet stuff of Um, watch it, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do this amazing segue right now. So O'Connor wrote a book,
Speaker 1: and we're here to talk about a book that we
Speaker 1: have that's coming out now, like right now, complete guy
Speaker 1: to hunting, butchering and cooking wild game. Now, when this
Speaker 1: whole thing started, I can't remember how it was, just
Speaker 1: like it became this idea that I had and it's
Speaker 1: the handful of the guys that I worked with at
Speaker 1: zero point zero production. We started like putting together this
Speaker 1: idea of this book because we had been accumulating a
Speaker 1: lot of great images and and information and had the
Speaker 1: luxury of really traveling around meeting a lot of phenomenal hunters.
Speaker 1: The hell you're doing, Honnie sat in a timer um
Speaker 1: and sold this book idea to the polisher I work with.
Speaker 1: We just Speakling Grounds imprint at random House and sold
Speaker 1: this book idea, and I mistakenly put down as we
Speaker 1: were putting his proposal together, I put down the word complete.
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be the complete guide to hunting and
Speaker 1: butchering hunting, butchering and cooking wild game. And I learned
Speaker 1: over the following handful of years that you should not
Speaker 1: throw around the word complete when talking about a book,
Speaker 1: because as we started to outline the project, everything that
Speaker 1: came up, you'd be like, well, should we have something
Speaker 1: on this, should we have something on that? And you'd
Speaker 1: always have to say, well, yeah, because this is the
Speaker 1: complete guide. It should have been called the truncated Guide
Speaker 1: the Hunting, Butchering and Cooking wild game, or you know,
Speaker 1: the basic guide, but no, it's the complete guide. And
Speaker 1: we worked on it for a few years. By the
Speaker 1: time it was done, the book came in at seven
Speaker 1: and fifty pages long. When I sat down with my
Speaker 1: publisher and she kindly tried to explain that you just can't.
Speaker 1: It's just very difficult. You just don't really make books
Speaker 1: that big. So we were faced with this thing of
Speaker 1: either trimming the book out now. When I wrote my
Speaker 1: Buffalo book, which is a narrative nonfiction book. Hey, it's
Speaker 1: like a book that tells the story, it actually tells
Speaker 1: two stories. Tells a story of very involved hunt I
Speaker 1: did for Buffalo on a on a special lottery license
Speaker 1: that I drew in Alaska. Tells that story, and then
Speaker 1: along with that story, it tells the story of the
Speaker 1: species of the creature you know, from the ice ages
Speaker 1: up until the present day. Very dramatic story about an animal.
Speaker 1: That was a narrative book that came in long. I
Speaker 1: remember I caught a hundred pages out of that book,
Speaker 1: and it was pain and full to cut those pages up.
Speaker 1: And then the book's better, it reads better. It's like
Speaker 1: I was never writing better. I'll probably I was never
Speaker 1: writing as good and I'll never write better than I
Speaker 1: was writing when I wrote my Buffalo book. I now know. Um,
Speaker 1: I was pre marriage and pre kids. You're smarter. I
Speaker 1: think you're a lot smarter before you get married and
Speaker 1: have kids. Um. You don't agree with that, Yannie. No,
Speaker 1: where's your brain down? It does it? Where's your brain down?
Speaker 1: The exhaustion and you don't have time to read. Um,
Speaker 1: But with this book with the guide book. It wasn't
Speaker 1: like that. Man, I couldn't stand getting rid of the stuff,
Speaker 1: and so we hit them this idea, we're gonna split
Speaker 1: it into big game in small game. And it was
Speaker 1: different than just taking like an exact on knife right
Speaker 1: or like. It was different than just separating it out.
Speaker 1: It just changed the whole nature of the project. And
Speaker 1: that added we had already been over two years anyway.
Speaker 1: That added another year into it to build old the
Speaker 1: Complete Guide the Hunting, Butchering and Cooking Wild Game Volume one,
Speaker 1: Big Game, Volume two, Small Game. A thing that's frustrated
Speaker 1: me um. The name of the book has let a
Speaker 1: lot of people to to to like write and ask
Speaker 1: about like the recipe book, but the cookbooks or butchering
Speaker 1: books they are that. Okay, the books are that, but
Speaker 1: they're much much more in that. And the way this
Speaker 1: thing works, I want you to feel right now like
Speaker 1: you're watching QVC. You're watching a show, an infomercial show.
Speaker 1: So just try to get yourself in that mind frame
Speaker 1: or you're ready to call them with the credit card.
Speaker 1: Because the way the book works is I have volume
Speaker 1: one in my hand. Volume one is available now. Volume
Speaker 1: two will be available a couple of months. Volume one
Speaker 1: is divided into five sections. Section one, what is an
Speaker 1: introduction than even section one. In Section one deals with gear,
Speaker 1: all aspects of gear, with very heavy emphasis on answering
Speaker 1: the types of questions, and we get many hundreds of
Speaker 1: them that come into the me Eater website from both
Speaker 1: new and experienced hunters about gear preferences. So it covers
Speaker 1: gear up to I mean, from hunting out your back
Speaker 1: door to hunting in the deepest back country. Around Section two,
Speaker 1: I don't walk through he's a little bit more to
Speaker 1: explain better section to his tactics and strategies. Okay, So
Speaker 1: it deals with the basics of hunting and lays down
Speaker 1: sort of a working vocabulary of different hunting methodologies hunting methods.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about those a little bit more. Section three
Speaker 1: is big game Species and Methods. In this section we
Speaker 1: have very detailed profiles on fourteen of North America's most
Speaker 1: popular big game animals from biologic details, how to read,
Speaker 1: sign best hunting methods, archery, rifle, early season, late season calling,
Speaker 1: lay it all out animal by animal Section four. At
Speaker 1: this point that we're into section four, you're into the
Speaker 1: three page of volume one. So there's three hundred pages
Speaker 1: preceding this, right, but starting at page three you enter
Speaker 1: into butchering, and butchering covers all aspects of of field dressing,
Speaker 1: ordering even up to packaging for the freezer. Big game.
Speaker 1: And it isn't just like how to cut up a
Speaker 1: deer on a workbench at home. We deal with butchering
Speaker 1: issues in back country skinning methods for you know, caping heads,
Speaker 1: black bear rugs, everything, and I'm talking soup to nuts
Speaker 1: or nuts to kidneys with great pictures back at all,
Speaker 1: amazing pictures. Because here's the deal. If you normally go
Speaker 1: on and buy but like what what, here's one thing
Speaker 1: we're able to do. So we've made like sixty some
Speaker 1: episodes of me Eater. Plus I've been hunting and swapping
Speaker 1: pictures of my hunting bodies my entire life. So I
Speaker 1: have a big catalog images, but sixty episodes of me Eater.
Speaker 1: And the way the technology is now, we're able to
Speaker 1: use screen grabs. Okay, so we're able to grab images
Speaker 1: published published, more quality images out of footage to use
Speaker 1: to enhance step by step procedures in the book. The
Speaker 1: other images that well, I'll get to the images of
Speaker 1: the mint. Finally, section five Cooking Big Game. Now this
Speaker 1: section is actual recipes. I'm talking you go into your freezer,
Speaker 1: open the door, pull out a package butchered, and process
Speaker 1: in the way that subscribed in section four, and what
Speaker 1: you actually do with it, I mean teaspoon of this,
Speaker 1: tablespoon of that. Recipes and these are highlight recipes, proven
Speaker 1: great things that I love to cook. The friends of
Speaker 1: mine love to cook recipes that we've kind of developed
Speaker 1: over time by sharing information back and forth, things that
Speaker 1: were inspired by some chefs that I know that I
Speaker 1: like to cook. Wild Game was just like great recipes
Speaker 1: and no make believe recipes. Like a lot of times
Speaker 1: you open up a cookbook and there will be a
Speaker 1: recipe like, you know, take some duck com feet and
Speaker 1: put it on pasta. It's like, dude, that's not a
Speaker 1: rest because you're not telling me how to make duck
Speaker 1: on feet or assuming I'm going out and buying it,
Speaker 1: then I'm putting on recipes Like if that's a recipe,
Speaker 1: then then you might as well put one in there
Speaker 1: called peanut butter and jelly sandwiches or butter and bread.
Speaker 1: You know, these are like real recipes that you build
Speaker 1: from the ground up, not like so many recipes, like
Speaker 1: like God bless them. But when I'm looking at a
Speaker 1: Mario but Tally cookbook, I mean great cook obviously, you know,
Speaker 1: a great guy, great cook. But a lot of times
Speaker 1: like basically going down to the town. You're going down
Speaker 1: to a high end Italian Delhi, buying three or four things,
Speaker 1: coming home and mixing them together, and it's like you
Speaker 1: didn't make any of that jump, like you didn't make
Speaker 1: the panchatta. You know, it's like you're just like compiling
Speaker 1: things that someone else made for you. This is like
Speaker 1: real cooking, ground up full balls, from scratch cooking. All
Speaker 1: that being said, I feel like they're not overly complicated
Speaker 1: like everyone that I've tried out of here, you know,
Speaker 1: read through a couple of times, I'm like, all right,
Speaker 1: I can do this. The restes lay a foundation for
Speaker 1: just understanding how to work with wild game. Right, if
Speaker 1: you weren't doing cooked all the things in here, you'd
Speaker 1: be like, I get it, because if you do, like
Speaker 1: The Big Sky Roasted Head, which is based off a mountain,
Speaker 1: my favorite mountain, one of my favorite mountain man books,
Speaker 1: The Big Skuy by Guthrie Um, he always talked about
Speaker 1: his characters in this book loved to roast mule of
Speaker 1: your heads. So we had a great roast mule of
Speaker 1: your head recipe where you're basically taking like you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's like a it's a taco dish with some
Speaker 1: jowl meat. Once you roast the head for that thing,
Speaker 1: you'll never look at a head, pig, head, any kind
Speaker 1: of head the same way. Again. You'd be like, man,
Speaker 1: there is some treasure inside that head. You might not
Speaker 1: go and make the tacos I describing the book, but
Speaker 1: you're gonna learn a lot about something that you've been
Speaker 1: throwing in the you know, out in the woods or
Speaker 1: in a dumpster for a long time. So it's meid
Speaker 1: like build up ones foundation. Um, you wanted to talk
Speaker 1: about top of photographer Jnath. Yeah, Well, starting with the
Speaker 1: butchering section, I feel like I've looked through a lot
Speaker 1: of other books have talked about butchering, you know, animals,
Speaker 1: game animals and whatnot, and uh, it seems like it's
Speaker 1: like great pictures without having the writing to explain it
Speaker 1: or vice versa, but not really both together. And I
Speaker 1: feel like we did a great job of you can
Speaker 1: read it. And if you don't quite understand that, you
Speaker 1: look right next to that and there's the image that
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, all right, that's that's what they're talking about.
Speaker 1: There's that that pelvit crest you know they need to
Speaker 1: chop out to, you know, to pull the uh, the
Speaker 1: guts all the way through the animals. Yeah, no, I
Speaker 1: think they're good. And we put a ton of embass
Speaker 1: on that. And like someone on our team, Brittany Brothers, actually,
Speaker 1: I mean over all those years on top about we
Speaker 1: worked on this, she was during all that time we're
Speaker 1: writing this book, is operating and large as like a
Speaker 1: photo editor to help find and pull out the best
Speaker 1: images to explain everything we explained here. There's a beauty
Speaker 1: quality to it too, because we use a uh, very
Speaker 1: prominent hunting photographer named John Halfer. We hired John when
Speaker 1: we're doing the recipe shoots, so we rented a house
Speaker 1: and went up for a week and just cooked and
Speaker 1: tested recipes, photographed recipes. Halfner did that, So all the
Speaker 1: food stuff is John halferin working. If you go look
Speaker 1: up John Halfter, you're gonna see like some hunting stuff
Speaker 1: that will blow your mind. John halfern shot all that
Speaker 1: at the same time, just out of the goodness of
Speaker 1: this dude's heart, he opened up his vast catalog of
Speaker 1: hunting images and wildlife images. Yeah, it rivals like anything
Speaker 1: you see in Nagio. I feel like just going to
Speaker 1: his website and just cruise around and look at his
Speaker 1: images and um, you'll find yourself just lost and burning time,
Speaker 1: you know, and just taking to different far away places. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: After likes to hunt. Man like, he likes to hunt.
Speaker 1: But he's even said to me he'd rather he likes
Speaker 1: to hunt with the camera, you know, likes the photograph wildlife,
Speaker 1: and so we have a lot of great wildlife imagery
Speaker 1: in here. Also the gear like so like jump backtop
Speaker 1: about the gear stuff. We kind of like kick off
Speaker 1: the gear section with a quote by even though it's
Speaker 1: just trash talking gun writers, we kick off the gear
Speaker 1: section of the quote by a gun writer that I
Speaker 1: do admire greatly, Chuck Hark, the one and only. Let
Speaker 1: me ask you a quick question, though, Are there any
Speaker 1: others right now? You can just name off the type
Speaker 1: of your head that you do admire. Did I admire
Speaker 1: wore like a gun writer? No? And I'll tell you
Speaker 1: why I'm gonna read the quote that kicks off the
Speaker 1: gear section. I'm gonna read Chuck Hawks's quote. Don't be
Speaker 1: intimidated by anyone's experience, including mine. There have been, and
Speaker 1: still are a few good writers with vast experience in
Speaker 1: the firearms field. There are also plenty of plain old
Speaker 1: fools writing about guns and shooting, and plenty of younger
Speaker 1: fools as well. Gun writers, especially those who have to
Speaker 1: produce a regular column, love controversy. That column becomes a
Speaker 1: beast that must be fed every month. So the columnists
Speaker 1: is always hungry for something to write about, and controversial
Speaker 1: ideas generate reader interest in response. Perhaps it is understandable
Speaker 1: if they sometimes go overboard, Just don't go overboard with them.
Speaker 1: The reason I put that the head of the gear section,
Speaker 1: I can't remember who did you find that quote? I
Speaker 1: don't Chuck Hawks actually contributed to volume two or Truck
Speaker 1: Hawks writes this great treatise on the double deuce to
Speaker 1: twenty two, most popular cartridge ever. He writes a great
Speaker 1: piece breaking down the history and versatility and different ammunition
Speaker 1: options for a small game hunter of the twenty two,
Speaker 1: and it was great. He's the most reasonable gun writer
Speaker 1: out there, and it's funny that his quote kind of
Speaker 1: like takes a staff at his profession, because it is.
Speaker 1: It's true. If you open up those things, like you know,
Speaker 1: like newsletters, you get to be like ten overrated cartridges,
Speaker 1: ten underrated cartridges, ten sleeper long range cartridges. It's just
Speaker 1: like what in the world. So we try to cut
Speaker 1: through in the gear section. It's just all the noise, okay,
Speaker 1: because to be honest with you, this is gonna make
Speaker 1: guys cringe, and it's something that people fight about in bars,
Speaker 1: you know, to be honest with you, a lot of
Speaker 1: the distinctions to get drawn between calibers that, let me
Speaker 1: put it different, there's a ton of distinctions and debate
Speaker 1: happening between calibers that are just like you really can't
Speaker 1: tell them apart in a hunting standpoint. No, it's just
Speaker 1: like people like, yeah, I really can't decide between the
Speaker 1: then the It's all it's fighting over nuances. You're fighting
Speaker 1: over very little. And it's like if you're taking reasonable shots,
Speaker 1: you know, if you become aware of your capabilities and
Speaker 1: you're realistic about your capabilities and you're putting your shots
Speaker 1: through luans, it's just like people are writing and debating
Speaker 1: about points that are just pointless. Well, I think they
Speaker 1: should be taking all that energy to talk about their
Speaker 1: damn boots, right or yes, yeah, so much other stuff
Speaker 1: about the calibers where it's the bullet construction or taking
Speaker 1: time to you know, learn about shot places and wherever
Speaker 1: it might be. But I think it comes down to
Speaker 1: just like basic ignorance because people started fighting about caliber's. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had a guy the other day that did not
Speaker 1: know that the thirty six and the three wind mag
Speaker 1: shoot the exact same bullet. If you choose a hundred
Speaker 1: grain thirty Cober bullet or eighty grain three Cober bullet,
Speaker 1: you can put that same bullet and either one of
Speaker 1: those two cartridges, just put it down, you know, the
Speaker 1: barrel of the respective gun. But people just look at
Speaker 1: one that says Magnum behind it and they think, oh, man,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just like I'm throwing a grenade at
Speaker 1: the animal versus just the old Pidley thirty at six. Well,
Speaker 1: it's just not the case. One bullet. The only difference
Speaker 1: really when it comes down to shoot that animals, that
Speaker 1: one bullet might be moving a hundred feet or tunder
Speaker 1: feet faster that. That's exactly the kind of information that
Speaker 1: try to put in here is like helping people cut
Speaker 1: through some of the noise and make good gear decisions
Speaker 1: without getting bogged down in details. They don't want to
Speaker 1: get bogged down it. But that doesn't mean that it's
Speaker 1: like the thing I focused on on these books and
Speaker 1: we talked about constantly is there not for beginners exclusively,
Speaker 1: and they're not for experts exclusively. Every page in here
Speaker 1: is gonna have something that's gonna surprise you because the
Speaker 1: books give you opinions, right. You get Janice's opinion put
Speaker 1: forth as an opinion on issues, you get my opinion
Speaker 1: put forth as an opinion on issues, and you'll get
Speaker 1: opinions given as such, given as personal opinions from many
Speaker 1: of the best hunters I've been lucky to meet around
Speaker 1: the country. The book is full of sections called ways
Speaker 1: in on where like so and so like Chuck Hawks
Speaker 1: weighs in on the twenty two Yanni tell Us weighs
Speaker 1: in on his regiment his yeah, his regiment for practicing
Speaker 1: archery ahead of a hunt. How would you put it? Um? Yeah,
Speaker 1: just the preparation the basically the summer prior kind of
Speaker 1: the year prior preparation. How do you know when you're
Speaker 1: ready for a bow hunt? Basically? Like, yeah, how do
Speaker 1: you know when you're ready to go on a bull hunt?
Speaker 1: For real? Yeah? But I want to make a note
Speaker 1: on that all the ways in I feel like it's
Speaker 1: so reflective of how one becomes a hunter, becomes a
Speaker 1: good hunter on their own because I've had so many mentors,
Speaker 1: you know, I can just saw the top of my
Speaker 1: head list twenty mentors that have all been weighing in
Speaker 1: on me for you know, thirty years, and you just
Speaker 1: take a little bit here, take a little bit there,
Speaker 1: and you kind of formulate your own program, you know,
Speaker 1: and then eventually, you know, you can weigh in on
Speaker 1: you know, that that certain subject. But that's how I
Speaker 1: feel like this book is, you know, you can just
Speaker 1: go through there and you know, pick a little bit
Speaker 1: from all these different people and then you know, go
Speaker 1: forth on your own. Yeah, that's the point trying to
Speaker 1: make again and again, it's like, don't discount the information
Speaker 1: that you already know to be true. Like I would
Speaker 1: never say, like, oh, pick this up and drop everything
Speaker 1: you found to be true, because this is the real truth.
Speaker 1: It's just different. It just it we're learning hunting works
Speaker 1: differently than that. Yeah, and the subject is too vast,
Speaker 1: too ever to do that. I used to always I
Speaker 1: mean like I saw you shoot run into Carlac bullets, laot,
Speaker 1: many things were great, love, I've never had a problem,
Speaker 1: and eventually like grew suspicious of the bullet just because
Speaker 1: people are talking about other bullets. I'm like, well, there's
Speaker 1: must be something wrong with my own findings. Don't fall
Speaker 1: into that trap. Like if it works for you, it works,
Speaker 1: But this is gonna help you inform your thinking. And
Speaker 1: it also gets into stuff like even though we're just
Speaker 1: kind of like laughing about these endless controversies about what
Speaker 1: caliber's best. We have a big section called cartridge normanclature
Speaker 1: that breaks down what all these things mean. When you
Speaker 1: hear people say they were out shooting at seventy four
Speaker 1: oh five, or you know the difference between the millimeter
Speaker 1: cartridges and the standard like three oh eight cartridges, the
Speaker 1: seven six two by thirty nine, Like how to understand
Speaker 1: these numbers and how to have a conversation with people
Speaker 1: and when they name things, how do they get what
Speaker 1: they're talking about? Not just because you memorize each particular
Speaker 1: cartridge and what it means, but how to make sense
Speaker 1: out of the numerical system used to describe cartridges. Right,
Speaker 1: Maybe that stuff you need to be a better hunter,
Speaker 1: but stuff you just need to be able to process
Speaker 1: information better when you're seeing it. Um A lot of
Speaker 1: stuff about rifle scopes, defining the terms that you see
Speaker 1: when you buy rifle scopes and the terms you see
Speaker 1: when you buy binoculars, and making sense out of what
Speaker 1: those terms mean, which ones are important and which ones
Speaker 1: are not. A section on muzzle loaders, including an explanation
Speaker 1: of why you should if you're a versatile, well rounded
Speaker 1: big game hunter. And that's really what the books trying
Speaker 1: to make it a was a versatile, well rounded big
Speaker 1: game hunter. Why you should probably think real seriously about
Speaker 1: getting in the most loader hunting if you haven't already. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and what look, just looking at that muzzle latter page
Speaker 1: makes me think of something because I've just looked through
Speaker 1: the first twenty pages here, and there are companies and
Speaker 1: brands across the board. I think that's important to note that, like,
Speaker 1: we weren't held to anybody's check when we were writing this,
Speaker 1: this was done completely independently um. No company, even companies
Speaker 1: I have great relationships with. No company had the door
Speaker 1: into this book open to them. You will find recommendations
Speaker 1: for things across the board. You'll find images of many
Speaker 1: different types of gear. It's not it's just not a catalog.
Speaker 1: Don't worry about that. A very thorough explanation of m
Speaker 1: o A. What minute of angle means, how it applies
Speaker 1: to you in your life. Rifle cleaning, A heavy section
Speaker 1: on archery equipment, making sense of archery equipment, coming through
Speaker 1: the bs of archery equipment and arrows and broadheads. Field
Speaker 1: maintenance kits. A heavy section on hunting optics. How to
Speaker 1: select optics, what they mean, What you need on a
Speaker 1: backpack hunt. What you can do without on a backpack hunt.
Speaker 1: How to decide if you want a X or ten
Speaker 1: X binoculars, and the choice really kind of comes down
Speaker 1: to that unless you already have a good pair. How
Speaker 1: to make sense of range finders. Big thing about blade tools.
Speaker 1: What blade tools you need on backpack and back country hunts?
Speaker 1: What blade tools you never leave home without? Survival kits
Speaker 1: and utility kits. I don't even use the word survival
Speaker 1: kit anymore, because my kit a utility kit, I carry
Speaker 1: that thing I could be hunting like cranes in Texas
Speaker 1: or doll sheep in Alaska. I have a little baggy
Speaker 1: that I switch out what's in it, but just my
Speaker 1: utility kit. It's my emergency kit. And you can have
Speaker 1: emergencies such as like a broken gun anywhere. So how
Speaker 1: to have a kit that you are constantly upgrading and
Speaker 1: adapting for what you're doing that almost eliminates or can
Speaker 1: help eliminate the panic you have when you realize that
Speaker 1: you should have something and you don't have it with you.
Speaker 1: Maps and navigation tools. A very healthy spirited section on apparel,
Speaker 1: How to layer your clothes, how to make decisions between
Speaker 1: synthetics and wolves. Is camel clothing and scent control clothing
Speaker 1: worth the expense? The answer is more comp located. Then
Speaker 1: you might think a lot of stuff about staying warm,
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff about boots, including my opinion that footwear,
Speaker 1: no foot problems ruin more hunts than any other problem.
Speaker 1: When I think of people just having a bad time
Speaker 1: on a hunt or having to call off a hunt,
Speaker 1: footwear causes that. Yeah, And that's definitely a little more
Speaker 1: true towards like Western Mountain hunting, even freezing your ass
Speaker 1: hunting ducks in Michigan. Right, you gotta have the right
Speaker 1: footwear to keep your feet warming, for sure. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: the blisters and issues mountain hunts, for sure. But just
Speaker 1: like feet problems kill people, feet ruined hunts. What doesn't
Speaker 1: ruin a hunt is that man, I brought my thirty
Speaker 1: OT six and should have brought my three hundred. That's
Speaker 1: just not in real life. That's not a conversation. You
Speaker 1: hear what you here is, dude, I should have listened
Speaker 1: to you when you said that I should break my
Speaker 1: boots in for real before I go on this trip.
Speaker 1: What a waterproof from probably and know how to do
Speaker 1: it because my feet have been went for three days
Speaker 1: and I want to go home. Yanni's wonderful section on
Speaker 1: waterproof and boots the tools necessary, then a big section
Speaker 1: specific to back country hunting because it's like I find
Speaker 1: that many guys, like in my age group, my level
Speaker 1: interest in hunting that live in the East want to
Speaker 1: do in their life. You know, they want to do
Speaker 1: some bad country hunts. Man. They want to go on
Speaker 1: that Colorado LK hunt, you know, And it's intimidating to
Speaker 1: like get into like what do I really need? What
Speaker 1: do you carry? What is actually in your pack on
Speaker 1: a backpack hunt? And I think that this will help
Speaker 1: immensely and it's not pushing one product over another. I'm
Speaker 1: looking at a page here right now. I'm looking at
Speaker 1: an outdoorsments pack system and our carricks pack system, a
Speaker 1: mystery ranch pack system, pros and cons of each. But
Speaker 1: basically it's grabbing good gear that I like and that
Speaker 1: my friends like, and kind of rather than boring you
Speaker 1: with the stuff that doesn't work, it's like the stuff
Speaker 1: that does work for people, Why it works for people? Um, Stuff,
Speaker 1: unloading a pack okay, how to handle big weights on
Speaker 1: a pack, how to pack when you're going out that
Speaker 1: you know you might be coming back heavy with game,
Speaker 1: Sleeping in shelter okay, Tents, bags, sleeping pads, bibby sacks.
Speaker 1: Are they a waste of money or not? I would
Speaker 1: say yeah, I'm telling you why I think that they're
Speaker 1: a waste of money. Keeping warm at night and you're
Speaker 1: sleeping bag camp stoves I'm talking for truck hunt, car
Speaker 1: camping to backpack hunting. Pros and cons of stoves, how
Speaker 1: to use them, how to manage them, how to pack
Speaker 1: food for a hunt. A simple way. You can run
Speaker 1: into a grocery store, run into a sporting good store
Speaker 1: and go bam bam bam, and know that you are
Speaker 1: equipped with food for however long you're gonna be out
Speaker 1: car camping or backpack hunting. Like just a simple fail
Speaker 1: proof system of grabbing food for a hunt where you're
Speaker 1: not gonna run out and you're not gonna come back
Speaker 1: with a bunch of spoiled stuff. You never hate cookwere
Speaker 1: how to handle fire and water meaning purification of water,
Speaker 1: how to get fires when you need them despite then
Speaker 1: you know, whatever the conditions. A very graphic picture of
Speaker 1: a crushed finger in back country Risks stand Safe in
Speaker 1: the back country now Section two Tactics and Strategy. Yanni
Speaker 1: walk them through section too. This was gonna include the highlights,
Speaker 1: the stuff that like kind of what's in there, some
Speaker 1: surprising things. I feel like this is where I maybe
Speaker 1: learned the most because my main hunting career started, you know,
Speaker 1: once I moved to Colorado at the age of nine,
Speaker 1: team started guiding alkhins and on the same spot all
Speaker 1: the time, and it was shown to me, you know,
Speaker 1: because that's where I had to guide where you I
Speaker 1: think it came out west and we're not guiding, we're
Speaker 1: just hunting on your own. And so you just you know,
Speaker 1: learned a larger chunk and ground and had to figure
Speaker 1: out on your own how to find these sweet honey
Speaker 1: hooles that I was pretty much you know, shown too,
Speaker 1: and so I feel like you did a great job.
Speaker 1: But really just breaking down like a um a method
Speaker 1: of you know, looking at maps, talking to people, plat
Speaker 1: maps and whatever, and little tricks to like go and
Speaker 1: find your own honey holes, which is you know, that's
Speaker 1: something that's an important thing I got into with this,
Speaker 1: and I talking about public and private land, how to
Speaker 1: get permissions on private land, mainly how to find spots
Speaker 1: on public land, because I find that a lot of
Speaker 1: guys have a vulnerability, Like you got a guy likes
Speaker 1: to hunt. I've had a lot of friends fall on
Speaker 1: this trap. Man. They like the hunt. They got this spot.
Speaker 1: They hunt deer, right, nicolare every deer in the over day.
Speaker 1: They shoot a deer and as their spot. Then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden something happens. The guy that owns it dies,
Speaker 1: sells it, his his nephew gets old. Yeah, the guy
Speaker 1: moved Yeah, that's only happened. Your buddy moves and they
Speaker 1: never hunt again because they never figured out like how
Speaker 1: to find hunting spots. It's like, oh, I helped my
Speaker 1: mother in law's place, you know, and then what do
Speaker 1: you get a divorce? You have a mother in law anymore?
Speaker 1: And then it just hang it up because they can't
Speaker 1: fathom the process of beginning to find hunting locations. Oh man,
Speaker 1: And I'm going through it firsthand right now, like you
Speaker 1: wouldn't believe. I'm living that every day. I mean, I
Speaker 1: moved to Montana, yes, and less than a year ago.
Speaker 1: It's my first year lived as a resident in that state.
Speaker 1: I've got a pocket full of tags, and yet I'm
Speaker 1: looking at these maps and I'm like, I mean, I
Speaker 1: have places that I'm gonna go and I'm gonna hunt
Speaker 1: because I've figured it out, But like, I don't have
Speaker 1: anything on my map circle that says go here, proven location,
Speaker 1: so you know, and that's the thing to do. I
Speaker 1: get into is like a lot of like not sneaky,
Speaker 1: but a lot of things that people don't think about
Speaker 1: trying totally. And I think that shows up even more
Speaker 1: in the private land section because so many people I
Speaker 1: think I don't know why now, it's it's that way
Speaker 1: when you know, twenty years ago everybody's went knocked on doors.
Speaker 1: But like people, I feel like, just don't do it
Speaker 1: as much anymore, and don't think about trying to go
Speaker 1: and find a free private land hunting spot like they're
Speaker 1: out there and I got yeah, and I include in
Speaker 1: here some strategies for doing that, such ASTHM, it's the
Speaker 1: thing that's worked for me many times. As you get
Speaker 1: your foot in the door with a squirrel hunting or
Speaker 1: rabbit hunting permission, yeah, totally that you request in the
Speaker 1: winter time when that guy's not getting his door beaten
Speaker 1: down by people, and you proved to be a cool
Speaker 1: guy who like comes out to hunt squirrels, knows how
Speaker 1: to respect the property, knows how to close the gates
Speaker 1: a little bit there, it goes a long way next
Speaker 1: to you know, guy brings the guy some zucchini bread, right,
Speaker 1: cook some kind of cool thing with the with the
Speaker 1: rabbits that he got off the guy's property, brings him
Speaker 1: by a little bit of that. Maybe even emails the
Speaker 1: dude a couple of pictures saying, hey, man, I thought
Speaker 1: you'd like to see um, the awesome dinner I made
Speaker 1: with the squirrels I shot on your place. And he's
Speaker 1: thinking that crazy, some bitch ate those squirrels. I like
Speaker 1: that guy. And pretty soon he's saying to you, you
Speaker 1: know what, you know, if you you know, we got
Speaker 1: room out here, you know, if you want to come
Speaker 1: out and hunt deer, you know, go ahead. Yea. And
Speaker 1: again maybe it starts with a couple of does, but
Speaker 1: then two years down the line, you gotta look down
Speaker 1: the line and look into the future. And next thing
Speaker 1: you know, he's like, sure you can shoot a buck,
Speaker 1: because it's happened to me many times. Yeah. I got
Speaker 1: a guy. He's a friend of mine, but he's a
Speaker 1: he's a landowner, and I've been out to his place
Speaker 1: the hunt a few times. And after a while he
Speaker 1: noticed that I never actually really shot anything on this place.
Speaker 1: I'd kind of go out there just to kind of like,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, I'm gonna come up, but I'd want
Speaker 1: up hanging out and doing stuff with him. You know.
Speaker 1: That kind of won his heart in a way. I
Speaker 1: also tell just a couple of actual stories about stuff,
Speaker 1: but also public land tricks you might not think of,
Speaker 1: like something I like to do, and I've done with
Speaker 1: some success now and then is be undercover in interview
Speaker 1: hikers at trailheads, not telling them what you're actually trying
Speaker 1: to drive at, but just talking to like, hey, what
Speaker 1: do you see? What do you hear? You know, do
Speaker 1: you guys see any blank up there? And you can
Speaker 1: get some up to date information that if you jumped
Speaker 1: out and said, yeah, I'm hunting Dad kept quiet. Sneaky
Speaker 1: little things many of them how to read apps, a
Speaker 1: bit about using trail cameras, and the main thing how
Speaker 1: to access areas other guys are accessing. And I don't
Speaker 1: mean because it's way off in the mountains. It just
Speaker 1: could be because you know, you're like parking, you know,
Speaker 1: alongside of power line and your hammer and ducks are
Speaker 1: in this case big game, your hand, your hammer and
Speaker 1: deer and some spot that guys aren't hung They never
Speaker 1: thought to bring a pair of chess waiters with them.
Speaker 1: And the first thing you gotta do is wait across
Speaker 1: a couple of big ditches and also realized no one's
Speaker 1: going over there. They all go into the other direction
Speaker 1: because it's like they want to get away from the car.
Speaker 1: Almost almost fought you on publishing that little tip because
Speaker 1: I know I know guys that do it, and literally
Speaker 1: they takes them an extra ten minutes of getting up
Speaker 1: earlier in the morning to in that way. They can
Speaker 1: put them on across the river, take them off. They
Speaker 1: stash under a tree, and they have haunting grounds that
Speaker 1: are just like under people's noses. But people are like, oh, river,
Speaker 1: keep driving. Can't get across that thing. You know, if
Speaker 1: you hunt white tail or, you hunt pheasants and stuff,
Speaker 1: and you don't have chess waiters sitting in the back
Speaker 1: of your truck, your awn moron. Yeah, A big thing
Speaker 1: about tags and licenses, just kind of breaking down tag draws.
Speaker 1: It's the thing people are always wondered about. Breaks down
Speaker 1: over the counter stuff, How over the counter stuff works,
Speaker 1: How registration hunts work, how stuff like governor's auctions. Are
Speaker 1: governor's tags good or bad? We talked about that and
Speaker 1: kick that issue a long um. I'm talking like in
Speaker 1: an ethical way. How do you feel about governor's auctions?
Speaker 1: How you feel or like how to work? Now? How
Speaker 1: you feel about how to work what's called landowner tags?
Speaker 1: How to play the points game for dream hunts in
Speaker 1: Western states? What are the toughest, coolest tags you could
Speaker 1: possibly draw. M hm. I researched that little piece and
Speaker 1: that was interesting to me and someone that haunts a
Speaker 1: lot to really see what are some of the toughest
Speaker 1: tags draw that you know most of us will never
Speaker 1: ever draw. But I was surprised to find one on
Speaker 1: the east coast of the country, and I'll keep that
Speaker 1: a surprise for you. Then we get into the methods,
Speaker 1: and it starts off with spot and spot spots and
Speaker 1: stock hunting, and I feel like this is it's a
Speaker 1: basic overview if each one of these methods, but there
Speaker 1: are points where it gets so detailed that I can't
Speaker 1: call it just a basic overview of spot and stock
Speaker 1: hunting anymore. UM got a map that shows you a
Speaker 1: great way to already pick your glassing locations before you
Speaker 1: ever even set foot in the country. UM. All different
Speaker 1: kinds of stuff on glass ng how to how to
Speaker 1: use different methods of glassing, whether it's like how to
Speaker 1: work or patch ground the pair of binoculars. Like you
Speaker 1: sit down and here's like three sixty degrees of terrain.
Speaker 1: You don't glass it like you think you'll just sit
Speaker 1: down and be like, oh, let start looking around my binoculars.
Speaker 1: It just doesn't work that way. There's a system, there's
Speaker 1: a way you break up the landscape and prioritize the
Speaker 1: landscape and study it and chunks and that's explained here.
Speaker 1: I mean you mean you right now just lost in
Speaker 1: uh in reading? Yeah, we're just looking at the pretty
Speaker 1: pictures binals versus spot and scopes. When is each appropriate
Speaker 1: for spotting stock hunting? Things like what do people talk
Speaker 1: about when I say you're gonna put them to bed? Okay?
Speaker 1: Or how to plan stocks on animals you found? You
Speaker 1: see them go into their bedding area, you see them
Speaker 1: go into their feeding area, how to pattern their movements,
Speaker 1: how to plan stocks according to wind intopography? Big issue. Yeah,
Speaker 1: actual actual diagrams and pictures showing that stuff, Like, hey,
Speaker 1: here's a picture. This is actual place that I saw
Speaker 1: an elk, I made a stock, This is how I did,
Speaker 1: This is what the wind was doing. And um it
Speaker 1: just hammers at home, you know when you can see
Speaker 1: it in a picture like that. How the wind behaves
Speaker 1: on a mountain like you always have like wind direction right,
Speaker 1: but the wind gets squirreling in the mountains due to
Speaker 1: thermals and the structure of a mountain and how to
Speaker 1: like make predictions about what the wind's gonna be doing
Speaker 1: and things that override dominant wind conditions. Okay, detailed stuff,
Speaker 1: but very important. And anyone who's hunting in the mountains,
Speaker 1: especially the bow, is gonna know exactly what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: This is gonna make sense of some of the observations
Speaker 1: they may have had or some of things they didn't
Speaker 1: put together. Ambush hunting. Yeah, I love our illustration here,
Speaker 1: and we've got to give a shout out to Pizza
Speaker 1: Chevski because he did an incredible job with our illustrations.
Speaker 1: And it's basically just an illustration showing six different ambush points, funnels,
Speaker 1: pinch points, whatever you want to call them. And you're
Speaker 1: probably never gonna see exactly what one of these looks like.
Speaker 1: But when you look at the whole overall illustration ation,
Speaker 1: you get the idea of, Okay, when I'm in the woods,
Speaker 1: this is what I'm looking for. This, you know, this
Speaker 1: would be a great place to set up an ambush. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like how to anticipate funnels and pinch points. I learned
Speaker 1: to start thinking about game in terms of funnels and
Speaker 1: pinch points when I was a fur trapper because in
Speaker 1: the fir trap you're looking at a grand scale. Okay,
Speaker 1: how are animals just gonna move across the landscape? But
Speaker 1: at the same time, how are you going to get
Speaker 1: them to place their foot on a one and a
Speaker 1: quarter inch circle a trap pan? So I really started
Speaker 1: to think about stuff that way. I also started to
Speaker 1: be like, why do always catch fox here? Not there?
Speaker 1: And you step back and look at aerial photography and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, man, I can't believe. I never realized
Speaker 1: that this power line or gas line connects all this
Speaker 1: different agricultural land and the animal can basically run down
Speaker 1: this power line and hit farm to farm to farm
Speaker 1: to farm, you know, and and travel on a clear path.
Speaker 1: And you go like, that's why there's always five there.
Speaker 1: It's not because like whatever, how the fields laid out
Speaker 1: is because he got put there by his path, you know,
Speaker 1: by the best way for him to travel the landscape.
Speaker 1: So stop on that. Where we at with time about
Speaker 1: fifty minutes? All right, everyone, I know you're enjoying the
Speaker 1: Meat Eater podcast, and you're especially enjoying it because it's free.
Speaker 1: And to keep it that way, we gotta take a
Speaker 1: quick break to thank our sponsors. Still hunting, Yanni had
Speaker 1: you don't he worked because Jean he's a still hunter,
Speaker 1: like he likes a still hunt for elt. And we
Speaker 1: get into how still hunting is different than just walking
Speaker 1: around in the woods m hm, which essentially what it
Speaker 1: is and why I love it is love taking very long,
Speaker 1: slow walk through the woods with rifle in hand. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it breaks it down. Decoys and calling another very detailed,
Speaker 1: you know, long and and again these are the basics
Speaker 1: in each uh species by species section. We revisit decoys
Speaker 1: and calling for elk, we revisit spot stock hunting for elk,
Speaker 1: and you'll actually find more words written in that section,
Speaker 1: you know, specifically you know, to that animal about spot
Speaker 1: stockhunning that you do here in the basics section. Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's the thing that I want to point out about
Speaker 1: the books, like, if you get into the books start
Speaker 1: reading them, is you can't just be like, oh, I
Speaker 1: like to hunt elk, therefore I'll skip ahead and read
Speaker 1: the elk section. It just doesn't work that way. If
Speaker 1: you are if you just hunt white tails, I would
Speaker 1: still suggest that you read the entire book because you
Speaker 1: will constantly find insights and ideas everywhere in this book,
Speaker 1: they're going to pertain to your life, your type of honey.
Speaker 1: As a great example, Jay Scott and Dark Holborn of
Speaker 1: Cobner Scott alfres A in on judging big horn rams.
Speaker 1: The way that these guys methodically go about doing this
Speaker 1: for big horn rams, you could take the exact state
Speaker 1: principles and apply it to any other animal if you're
Speaker 1: into you know, judging, you know, uh antler size or
Speaker 1: whatever it might be. And these guys have to know
Speaker 1: this because they're sheep guides. And when they get a
Speaker 1: high paying client that comes in and he wants a
Speaker 1: sheep of ex caliber, it's these guys that eventually say
Speaker 1: that's the one you're after. And their livelihood, you know,
Speaker 1: they're like business depends on their ability to say, like
Speaker 1: what that thing is. So to hear them talk about
Speaker 1: how to look at an animal. If you like to
Speaker 1: hunt bears, and and you don't care about shooting record
Speaker 1: book bear, you just don't want to be surprised and
Speaker 1: walk up and realize you shot like a seventy pound
Speaker 1: one year old female because you'd rather have two hundred
Speaker 1: pounds of meat. Learning their idea about how you look
Speaker 1: at an animal, how you compare animals to other animals.
Speaker 1: How you make these decisions is gonna apply to your
Speaker 1: life as well. Or you might be in the area
Speaker 1: where you have certain requirements you have to meet. It's
Speaker 1: gotta be a brow time bowl. Brow time has gotta
Speaker 1: be six inches long to be able to kill elk.
Speaker 1: Elk's gotta be a branch antler bull. It's got to
Speaker 1: be a full curl sheep to be legal. Right. How
Speaker 1: to look at animals and not just be blown away
Speaker 1: in surprise when you see him, but how to look
Speaker 1: at them you know objectively and make determinations about the size, age,
Speaker 1: characteristics of the animal you're looking at. A lot about
Speaker 1: drive hunting. I grew up drive hunting for white tails.
Speaker 1: There's a big part every year, a few days you
Speaker 1: spend drive hunt for white tails. How to do a
Speaker 1: drive hunt, how to try to pull off drive hunts
Speaker 1: in the mountains where it's very difficult, And then a
Speaker 1: lot of things. I'm being a backpack hunter. Earlier we
Speaker 1: talked about back country gear. Here we talked about back
Speaker 1: country living. How to camp in the back country on
Speaker 1: a hunt and not ruin your own hunt chances by
Speaker 1: leaving too much of a footprint. How to deal with
Speaker 1: grizzlies making the shot. A lot of information about shot
Speaker 1: placement for Big Game, about actually shooting and marksmanship, different
Speaker 1: types of rusts. How to aim on animals in a
Speaker 1: variety of positions. How to decide what sort of hold
Speaker 1: on an animal you need according to where it is
Speaker 1: and what it's doing. Shots not to take, how to track,
Speaker 1: how to you know blood trail, How to look at
Speaker 1: a patch of blood and cellt tell what you're looking at,
Speaker 1: whether you did a good job or a bad job.
Speaker 1: What you might anticipate happening. How to read an arrow
Speaker 1: after you When you find your arrow after shot, what
Speaker 1: does that arrow tell you about your hit? And now
Speaker 1: that it's not just like, oh, what's gonna It's not
Speaker 1: just like looking into a crystal ball. It's gonna tell
Speaker 1: you how to behave according to what you see on
Speaker 1: that arrow. How long to wait, why you're waiting, the
Speaker 1: risks of waiting, How to make decisions. Big Game section alphabetical.
Speaker 1: We start with antelope. Each section like this. You like
Speaker 1: the antilope section. It's got basics. Okay, we have each
Speaker 1: animal has a bar room banch. We'll tell you something
Speaker 1: surprising about the animal you do not know. Barroom banter
Speaker 1: is meant to make you a cooler guy to talk
Speaker 1: to at a bar. Could you be able to tell you, like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'll tell you one thing and you'll
Speaker 1: tell the person the thing you read in barroom bands
Speaker 1: and they'll be like, no, ship, Yeah, diet, life and death,
Speaker 1: how long only live in? What kills him is life
Speaker 1: and death, Breeding and reproduction? How that goes down for him?
Speaker 1: Kind of habitats. They'd like telltale signs, they'd like distribution,
Speaker 1: So it's your classic where it lives. What's cool about
Speaker 1: that is next to that is hunting opportunity State by
Speaker 1: state hunting opportunities map. Where it breaks down that animal
Speaker 1: not just in his distribution, but whether it's what weather.
Speaker 1: Hunting opportunities in a state are widely available, of limited availability,
Speaker 1: where you have the animal but there's no hunting for it,
Speaker 1: and where it's just not present, so it's not an issue.
Speaker 1: If you look at the big horn sheep hunting opportunities map,
Speaker 1: it's all limited availability. There's no easy way to get
Speaker 1: a big horn tag analope, it's split half the state's
Speaker 1: widely available and we explain what that means and how
Speaker 1: to go about getting those tags. Half the state's limited availability.
Speaker 1: You gotta do a draw to get an analope tag.
Speaker 1: It will help you think about destinations if you want
Speaker 1: to go on that big Western hunt. Then edibility just
Speaker 1: thoughts and edibility general thoughts on hunting opportunities, and then
Speaker 1: hunting methods. So early we're talking about spot stock hunting,
Speaker 1: ambush hunting, decoys and calling. Okay, those then get applied
Speaker 1: in a very specific way to each of these animals. Archery, firearm.
Speaker 1: How to do all those hunting methods? How did that apply?
Speaker 1: Are the appropriate for the animal or not? If so,
Speaker 1: what particular things do you need to do to make
Speaker 1: those methods described in the hunting methods section work for
Speaker 1: the species. So we get an animal, then we're rolling
Speaker 1: the big horn sheep big orang sheep. For the hunting methods.
Speaker 1: The main thing I talked about big orange sheep is
Speaker 1: I get into some details about tag draws. The only
Speaker 1: way you're gonna hunt a big horn unless you're loaded,
Speaker 1: and I explain how to do it if you're loaded.
Speaker 1: If you're not loaded, how you're gonna hunt big horns.
Speaker 1: You're gonna win a lottery tag for a big horn tag.
Speaker 1: This section is basically devoted to that if you have
Speaker 1: a life's goal of hunting a big horn, how do
Speaker 1: you start right now? At what age is it too
Speaker 1: late for you to start? What age is that you
Speaker 1: should start now? And here's how to kind of begin
Speaker 1: and how to kind of think about getting the tag.
Speaker 1: And if you read the rest of the book and
Speaker 1: learn how to spot in stock and still hunt whatever,
Speaker 1: you'll be prepared when you do draw that tag, will
Speaker 1: be prepared for a big one hunt. Black bear long
Speaker 1: section on black bear, because you gotta deal with coastal hunting,
Speaker 1: my hunting, hunting, fruit orchards, bait, pile hunting, hunting everywhere
Speaker 1: from Maine to California, spring and fall. It's a big subject.
Speaker 1: And our hunting opportunities maps. You know, this information changes
Speaker 1: because animals fluctuation. The population of these animals fluctuates, and
Speaker 1: so in ten years, you know these mass would be
Speaker 1: spot on. But working on the hunting opportunities maps was
Speaker 1: very interesting to me because you just have no idea.
Speaker 1: You just always focus on your own state where you live,
Speaker 1: or your region of the country, and you go, wow,
Speaker 1: you can actually hunt black bears. It looks like in
Speaker 1: more than half the states in our country. I had
Speaker 1: no idea until I worked on making that map. So
Speaker 1: I feel like out of every section when you look
Speaker 1: at those, you know just kind of give you more
Speaker 1: of a um you know, continental, We're not continent wide,
Speaker 1: but you know, countrywide view of where these animals live
Speaker 1: and where you can hunt them. Now, as far as like,
Speaker 1: we got an Appalachian bear hunter got it goes by
Speaker 1: the name Shing Daddy. He weighs in on bear on
Speaker 1: how to establish a bear bait station, all his thoughts
Speaker 1: on that. Then we got Jared Finker, Wisconsin hunter weighs
Speaker 1: in an archery stand placement for bear baits. So if
Speaker 1: you're hunting bow over bear bait, how you go about
Speaker 1: thinking about positioning your stand. We got another guy and
Speaker 1: Idaho bear hunter Chad Bart weighs in on places stand
Speaker 1: near bear bait. For rifle hunting, what are the special
Speaker 1: considerations you have to take into a fact when you're
Speaker 1: doing you have to think about when you're doing bait
Speaker 1: pile hunting with a rifle. All very different blacktail deer
Speaker 1: Okay range from California on up into Alaska. How to
Speaker 1: work topography for blacktail deer, the difference be a blacktail
Speaker 1: deer hunt in September and November. How the animals move
Speaker 1: and use their landscape. Buffalo, A little bit about buffalo hunting,
Speaker 1: a lot about how to handle big carcasses. That's the
Speaker 1: thing I think of when I think of a buffalo hunt,
Speaker 1: is you're handling a giant carcass. So early I mentioned
Speaker 1: like it doesn't matter what you do, you're gonna find
Speaker 1: good stuff in all these chapters. I don't care if
Speaker 1: you hunt moose, cariboo, whatever. You're gonna learn a lot
Speaker 1: about handling big carcasses and handling big carcasses in grizzly
Speaker 1: country in this section that you'll be able to apply
Speaker 1: to any situation you're in. Caribou. Careful detail on cariboo,
Speaker 1: and a lot about my favorite way to hunt them,
Speaker 1: which takes into effect the funnels. So early we talked
Speaker 1: about funnels, pitch points. We get into greater detail with cariboo.
Speaker 1: How lakes impact cariboo movements, How valleys and valley floors
Speaker 1: affect cariboo movements, How mountain passes affect cariboo movements. Some
Speaker 1: tricks to dealing with air carriers and bush pilots when
Speaker 1: you're trying to do a you're guided cariboo hunt. How
Speaker 1: to tell a male from a female, which is a
Speaker 1: lot more difficult than you might think, because is they're
Speaker 1: the only antlerd animal we have where the females carry
Speaker 1: antlers here in North America. Doll sheet a personal favor
Speaker 1: to mine, But again, the chapter has a lot to
Speaker 1: do with hunting in the mountains and living under very
Speaker 1: difficult circumstances. How to get in a position where you
Speaker 1: can put on a lot of miles in the mountains
Speaker 1: every day without wearing yourself out. Rick French and Alaska
Speaker 1: sheep God. He weighs in on the dudes and don'ts
Speaker 1: of dolls sheep hunting, and it is probably you know,
Speaker 1: it's a couple of hundred words that has more wisdom
Speaker 1: about sheep hunting in it than anything you're gonna find.
Speaker 1: We get into elk and Yanni worked tirelessly on the
Speaker 1: elk section. Break down some thoughts here Yanni mm hmm,
Speaker 1: including a sweet picture carved into a tree that Yanni
Speaker 1: found of an elk, which is kind of amazing looking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is great I'm glad, I know exactly Hopefully that
Speaker 1: tree still stands for quite a while I can go
Speaker 1: back and look at it. That's in Colorado. A more
Speaker 1: than likely a um what they call him arbor lifts,
Speaker 1: a sheep order that they usually come up from South
Speaker 1: America during the summer in Colorado. Herd sheep come from
Speaker 1: place all over the place. Uh, Peruvians and uh, I
Speaker 1: can't remera some me. Anyways, you see a lot of
Speaker 1: arbor lifts on the aspens in Colorado. And uh, it
Speaker 1: was funny because where where I found this. This is
Speaker 1: on a scouting little scotty mission I was doing, and
Speaker 1: I think like a week or ten days later, we
Speaker 1: ended up killing two cows within a couple hundred yards
Speaker 1: of that tree. Yeah, so that thing too. It's like
Speaker 1: this book takes time for beauty. Man, This book has
Speaker 1: a nod towards the beauty of the natural world. Yanni
Speaker 1: gets real heavy into yeah, you know, Yanni was an
Speaker 1: ELK Guyau's real heavy into calling, how to makes sense
Speaker 1: a game calls, how to use game call? Yeah, and
Speaker 1: especially here for ELK, you know. And again the illustrations
Speaker 1: that uh, you know, we came up kind of with
Speaker 1: the ideas and then you know, Pete Zachoski was able
Speaker 1: to actually put him into you know what now looks
Speaker 1: like art and you really get a good sense of
Speaker 1: when we when we, you know, in text, talk about
Speaker 1: the T booning technique and what that means to kind
Speaker 1: of you know, basically parallel herd, you know, waiting for
Speaker 1: the right opportunity to to bank in and make a
Speaker 1: move and try to get a shot. And uh again
Speaker 1: he put it into a beautiful illustration. Yes, say, we
Speaker 1: talked a lot with the l khuns where you know
Speaker 1: a lot of great elk hunters and and I used
Speaker 1: to be an avid archery l hunter. As you kind
Speaker 1: of talk about like what's your strategy and you'd be like, oh,
Speaker 1: we kind of just get close to and wait for
Speaker 1: something to happen. Yeah, you know, like, well what does
Speaker 1: that mean exactly? And he honest breaks down with the
Speaker 1: thing he calls t bowning. He breaks down like what
Speaker 1: that means when you get into a herd, how you
Speaker 1: can stay near her without that herd? No, when you're
Speaker 1: there and what you're doing when you're waiting for like
Speaker 1: what we call something to happen happen and how to
Speaker 1: help it happen. Um and mainly just like staying close
Speaker 1: to elk without elk know when you're there. We have
Speaker 1: a section called a bunch of things to keep in
Speaker 1: mind when calling out, just bullet pointed stuff that might
Speaker 1: not fit into the text, but it's just like stuff
Speaker 1: you gotta have. And again, ambush hunting is covered in
Speaker 1: regards to elk. Still hunting is you're covered in regards
Speaker 1: to elk. All of it's there. Have Alena. It's not
Speaker 1: a celebrated game animal. It should be this Mainly the
Speaker 1: goal of this chatter is to make you realize that
Speaker 1: you are insane if you don't hunt. Have Alina. Big
Speaker 1: thing on moose. Okay, everything you want to know about
Speaker 1: moose hunt, Alpine stuff, low country stuff, main stuff, Alaska stuff,
Speaker 1: how to gauge legality of moose, which is very tricky
Speaker 1: for anyone who wants to go do a do it
Speaker 1: yourself moose hunt in Alaska where they tell you it's
Speaker 1: got to have a fifty and spread or four brower. Times.
Speaker 1: You have never known stress in hunting until you've pulled
Speaker 1: the trigger on a moose and then you gotta get
Speaker 1: over there. And find out if your calculations were correct,
Speaker 1: how to like think about that, and how to not
Speaker 1: make mistakes, and a very good definition and explanation of
Speaker 1: why you should never pull the trigger on a moose
Speaker 1: If you think he's fifty and that's all you're going
Speaker 1: by is your estimation of him being fifty inches wide.
Speaker 1: You need more than that. You need more than oh,
Speaker 1: he's got to be fifty, um. How not to make
Speaker 1: mistakes that could land you very serious legal trouble with
Speaker 1: a confiscated animal potentially a confiscated truck and firearm like
Speaker 1: how to avoid these kind of mistakes, And that's what
Speaker 1: information is everywhere in here. How to handle more stuff
Speaker 1: on handling a big gas carcass, mountain goat hunting, telling
Speaker 1: males from females where to go, What kind of mountain
Speaker 1: ring equipment you want on a mountain goat hunt, what's
Speaker 1: too much? What kind of mountain nearing equipment is gonna
Speaker 1: get you in trouble? What kind of mountaineering income uh
Speaker 1: equipment might save your ass? A picture of my wonderful
Speaker 1: sister in law six months pregnant with a mountain goat
Speaker 1: she killed, going to show that not anyone canna hume,
Speaker 1: ountain goats. But someone with the right attitude can do it. No.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite sections twelve pages that are just
Speaker 1: packed full of awesome information about hunting mule deer and
Speaker 1: some of the better ways in not better, they're all great,
Speaker 1: but great ways in pieces from Remy Warren, Steve Reid,
Speaker 1: Colorado hunter and guide Remy Warren, Rody Henderson, all guys
Speaker 1: that kill a lot of mule there just kind of
Speaker 1: give you, you know, their view of it and how
Speaker 1: they go about it. And here's yawning with a giant mule.
Speaker 1: Hear he killed on a public land Colorado hunt not
Speaker 1: far from a road. Crunch time hunt, high competition, getting
Speaker 1: Danny's a big thing on wild pigs. Okay, this gets
Speaker 1: into the politics of wild pigs. It gets into the
Speaker 1: definitions of wild pigs. Your razors, back, Eurasian borders, feral pigs,
Speaker 1: wild pigs. How it's all one thing, suits scraffa okay
Speaker 1: everything spot stock hunting, how to hunt natural baits, naturally
Speaker 1: occurring baits for pigs, shot placement on pigs, the trouble
Speaker 1: you can get in bow hunting for pigs with shot placement.
Speaker 1: Oh humong guy white tail section because a lot of people,
Speaker 1: a lot of hunters cut their teeth on white tail hunting.
Speaker 1: The white tail section more than any other sections, is
Speaker 1: meant to be a beginner's guide to white tail hunting.
Speaker 1: Yet we did a little piece on the gray ghost,
Speaker 1: Steve's favorite, the coups Deer. The white tail hunter Chris
Speaker 1: eber Heart weighs in on public access white tails. This
Speaker 1: guy's whole deal, like he's devoted his life. They're killing
Speaker 1: white tail bucks in places you would not even think
Speaker 1: to hunt, and he breaks his method down for you.
Speaker 1: He hunts chunks of land you didn't realize you could
Speaker 1: hunt on, and it kills dude that no one knows
Speaker 1: her there. And what I love about Chris is that
Speaker 1: he does it economically out of an old minivan. Yes,
Speaker 1: the guy just has a system and he hunts everywhere.
Speaker 1: And this guy can roll into a new state and
Speaker 1: find bucks that the guys that live there don't even
Speaker 1: know where there. As long as you can find, as
Speaker 1: long as you can afford the tag and some gas,
Speaker 1: you can do it. The Chris ebra Hardaway. Doug Dern
Speaker 1: weighs in on his favorite white tail hunting method called
Speaker 1: the mooch. I don't know. We tease him endlessly. What
Speaker 1: is that? Because that's a fishing term, you know, it's
Speaker 1: like banana waite cut plug herring. Your mooch in salmon dog.
Speaker 1: They mooch deer. Um. It works. It's a fun hunting method.
Speaker 1: We break it down with graphics. They've killed some giants.
Speaker 1: Big thing about Jack O'Connor's very own gray goals to
Speaker 1: cous deer. Why is she gett into hunting? Butcher? And
Speaker 1: you know he's the one to call it the poor
Speaker 1: man sheet, which I didn't know until I read that book.
Speaker 1: And uh, it's fitting butcher and big game, big game
Speaker 1: in the field. Okay, what's to do in the field?
Speaker 1: How to handle large animals on the ground in the field?
Speaker 1: How to gut a deer the right way? You can
Speaker 1: break all the rules, but you got to learn them first.
Speaker 1: It's like with writing. You can break all the rules
Speaker 1: and writing once you learn them. You can break the
Speaker 1: rules and gutting once you learn them. Here's like, how
Speaker 1: to really gut an animal? Well, all your shortcuts and
Speaker 1: gutless method and all that garbage, it's fine, do it well,
Speaker 1: do it the first few times, and so you know
Speaker 1: what product you're after, and then you can mess around.
Speaker 1: How the gut, how to skin how to leave evidence
Speaker 1: of sex, which is which is a requirement in many states.
Speaker 1: What that means, the best way, the cleanest way to
Speaker 1: do it? Field skinning okay? How does skins up in
Speaker 1: the field? How to skin it under ground? How to
Speaker 1: skin it hanging in the field. Very detailed photography. A
Speaker 1: bunch of just random field dressing tips. Twelve random field
Speaker 1: dressing tips. Skinning big game for taxidermy and tanning okay.
Speaker 1: How to handle bear hides, deer capes, everything, how to
Speaker 1: cut away skull plates, handling meat in the field, what
Speaker 1: not to do, what to do for clean, good, safe,
Speaker 1: healthy meat. Thoughts on aging game meat, bonus parts, or
Speaker 1: how to show maximum respect for your prey. How to
Speaker 1: handle deer heads, dear hearts, kidneys, liver, nuts, tongues, tongues. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and this stuff is kind of interspersed to and some
Speaker 1: well those sidebars you know about a you know, a
Speaker 1: tongue or whatever. And that's you know, the true mediator style.
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, when we take to the
Speaker 1: next level and give you that give you the power
Speaker 1: to you know, to do more how to handle large
Speaker 1: Thoughts on handling large from bears and wild pigs. What's
Speaker 1: it is good for, what it's not good for, how
Speaker 1: to make it, how to use it. There's another example
Speaker 1: of that, breaking down a big game animal. So you
Speaker 1: gotta skinned out carcass. You're ready to butcher. How to
Speaker 1: break that thing down, how to think about the different cuts,
Speaker 1: how to freeze the different cauts, how to bone out
Speaker 1: what bones are good for stuff? How to do something
Speaker 1: fast because you don't have time and you gotta get
Speaker 1: your animal in the freezer because it's hot out and
Speaker 1: you gotta be to work, and you want to do
Speaker 1: it yourself, but you only got an hour. What to
Speaker 1: do then that allows you to do a better job
Speaker 1: later when you're ready to pull it out of your
Speaker 1: freezer later. It's like a two stage butchering method that
Speaker 1: I use all the time. Just how to do it
Speaker 1: fast and right. How to make burger grinding burger okay?
Speaker 1: How to freeze big game eat a variety of methods,
Speaker 1: pros and cons for all the ways to put big
Speaker 1: game in your thing. And finally we get down to
Speaker 1: the recipes. Smoking hands off deer and bears, making pulled
Speaker 1: pork recipes, the wild game, making stock from wild game,
Speaker 1: blade in roast asabuco or braids, shank, how to fry
Speaker 1: up heart and liver, how to do marinades, how to
Speaker 1: make veal parmesan with game meat, All kinds of stuff
Speaker 1: about grilling steaks and marinades and dry rubs and dudes
Speaker 1: and don't stuff on Burger's jerky, grilling hole loins, making
Speaker 1: deer heads, all kinds of stuff. I'm making your own
Speaker 1: fresh sausages and starkoutrie. Stuff about camp meals in the field,
Speaker 1: preparations of crazy stuff that will blow people's minds. Um
Speaker 1: a lot of thoughts on burger how to deal with it,
Speaker 1: some some surprising stuff like mince meat pie with bear
Speaker 1: lard crust, how to roast a rack of deer ribs
Speaker 1: out in the field for a great camp meal. It
Speaker 1: just goes on and on and on and on. That
Speaker 1: feels pretty complete to me. Here was a complete guy
Speaker 1: to hunting, butcher and cooking wild game. Okay, I already
Speaker 1: have my closing thought. And I'm sorry listeners if we
Speaker 1: feel like we're rushing out of here, but we have
Speaker 1: a big day. We've got some travel, We're heading to
Speaker 1: Alaska for a secret project, secret, top secret. Yeah, we're
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