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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome in to All Ball. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This

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Speaker 1: to the All Basketball Podcast and the Herd Podcast Network.

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Speaker 1: My guest this week is my longtime friend in college

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Speaker 1: and radio rival, Eric Chenoweth. Of course, EC was the

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Speaker 1: York Knicks. He's a form McDonald's All American and he

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Speaker 1: now sells a various allotment of insurance policies to both

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Speaker 1: schools and athletes as uh as they get ready to

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Speaker 1: either come back and play in college or prepare for

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Speaker 1: the NBA NFL Draft. Anyway, EC will join us upcoming.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the story that that won't go away.

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Speaker 1: All right, It's crazy because we're less than a week

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Speaker 1: away from the NBA season beginning Clippers and Lakers at

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Speaker 1: Staples Center. That's the marquee matchup on opening night. Right

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Speaker 1: the the new grand theft auto uh font on the

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Speaker 1: front of the Clippers jersey. I'm in. I can't wait

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Speaker 1: to see this kind of burgeoning rivalry in the City

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Speaker 1: of Angels. That said, what a disaster week for Lebron James.

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Speaker 1: I mean, not good, not good, and I do think

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Speaker 1: that some of the things that he said are true.

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Speaker 1: Many of the things he said are true, Like I

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Speaker 1: don't know if Darryl Morey is truly educated on Hong Kong.

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Speaker 1: On what there's a difference in Hong Kong, and then

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Speaker 1: the practices of the Chinese government there is UM, I

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Speaker 1: don't know why he said people could be spiritually harmed.

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Speaker 1: The idea could be physically harmed financially harmed obviously perked

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Speaker 1: everybody's ears. And then the idea that Lebron had to

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Speaker 1: So he had two statements on Instagram, and then he

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Speaker 1: the same. He's put himself in a couple of different corners.

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Speaker 1: Lebron and many of his cohorts in the NBA who

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Speaker 1: look up to him have um have criticized politically the

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Speaker 1: right wing, not just the president, but also people who

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Speaker 1: he said, he does have freedom of speech, not free

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Speaker 1: of ramification. The problem is that when he takes the

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Speaker 1: stance that he's perceived to be taking on China, Well,

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Speaker 1: you spent I don't know, the last four or five

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Speaker 1: And then here's kind of to me the the the

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Speaker 1: biggest hypocrisy is not getting mad because it's her, you

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Speaker 1: fact selling out it's um because he's he's not wrong.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to comment on everything, like even the

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Speaker 1: how many times do we see there's a tragic accident

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Speaker 1: the accident is not that big deal because no Americans parish, Right,

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Speaker 1: So we won't comment on it, we won't send relief

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Speaker 1: effort forward unless it somehow affects us. He's not wrong there,

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Speaker 1: and he's not wrong that so many are uneducated, um

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Speaker 1: I mean, and see a athletes, he didn't play in college.

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Speaker 1: What does he know about the college experience? What does

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Speaker 1: he know about the value of You know, it goes

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Speaker 1: if you're not getting what you want, don't play, leave

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Speaker 1: go to somewhere else, right, whether it's in his career

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Speaker 1: NFL players Jalen Ramsey, I'm not gonna play, end up

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Speaker 1: getting traded like that's great. You're in China. You knew

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Speaker 1: about the controversy. Don't play, you don't have to play?

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Speaker 1: Why not here Lebron James? So look the Lebron thing,

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Speaker 1: flaws with the supermodel. You know, there's been no talk

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Speaker 1: And they had a weeked, they had an entire week

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Speaker 1: this China thing? Because look, anybody with the brain understands

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Speaker 1: we're tapped out in the United States, right like Facebook, Google, Apple, Yahoo,

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Speaker 1: markets where there's growth Turkeys one. The other one is China.

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Speaker 1: China has the people. China has the growth. China was

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Speaker 1: cap communists. Now they're like new school capitalist slas s

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Speaker 1: They just are. That's why baseball wants to play there

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Speaker 1: Like that's it's no secret. It's about the money. It's

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Speaker 1: think he's that ticked that his appearances were canceled, but

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Speaker 1: he's mad. Kyle Kuzma lost a million dollars. But if

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Speaker 1: you lose a million dollars for the right reason, right

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Speaker 1: and by the way, you might lose a man. Now

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Speaker 1: what you're gonna be met with. Lebron James is an athlete,

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Speaker 1: immensely talented one. But he's not more than an athlete,

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Speaker 1: although there's been this massive purge and massive turnover in

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Speaker 1: things that we're gonna miss, we're gonna miss these top five,

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Speaker 1: high school americans. I'm excited about Cole Anthony. He's a

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Speaker 1: different type of cat in terms of not just pedigree, toughness, fanasty.

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Speaker 1: the legend himself. He was McDonald's All American in at

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Speaker 1: McDonald's All American Game and at nineties seven. Wow, we

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Speaker 1: back out and stole the swing path. I'll never forget that,

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00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 1: you guys do. Here's a camp so I know all

426
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 1: the Kansas ship because we we loved it. So um

427
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 1: you with that box set that goes into like still shuffle. Yeah,

428
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:43,120
Speaker 1: that's one. Yeah, one that the cutters come across. It's

429
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 1: a steal every time because you guys are like robots, right,

430
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,360
Speaker 1: because the big guys pop out and then the big

431
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,199
Speaker 1: guy and then you know, the point guard passes and

432
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 1: then screens away for the other big guy becomes a

433
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: shuffle cut into a post up, right, And I mean

434
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 1: it was a layup, but yes I do. I didn't

435
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 1: know what's called you one, but thank you. I'll drop

436
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 1: that down. B one, B two, B three Okay, So

437
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 1: which one is the one? And then then you fake

438
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 1: that right, you fake the pass, trouble to the middle,

439
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 1: reverse dribble and dug it duck into the big guy.

440
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: That's B three three? Yeah. So B one is the

441
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 1: standard scoring cut where you know rape would come through

442
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 1: and get it lay up every time, which Carolina ran

443
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 1: really well with U with Tyler, you know, on that

444
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: championship team and whatever year it was. And then B

445
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: two is a backdoor double basically fake it and backdoor

446
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: the one guy and then Billy Thomas comes off the

447
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 1: double screen the other side, and then B three is

448
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 1: where you dribble um. You known you reverse pivot and

449
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: that's when the backcutter hooks is defended. Anyway, you stole

450
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: the ball, and I remember you got a breakaway and

451
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,239
Speaker 1: I found you pretty hard because obviously you can't sto

452
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: creato to save your life. And we went it was

453
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 1: just like get the ball back. It was just a

454
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 1: waste time. It was a turnover on me, a steal

455
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 1: for you, and then we just got the ball back.

456
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: I think I made one or two, but I don't remember. Actually,

457
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 1: my the next year might ordered the two years Sally,

458
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: my senior year, uh, when we kicked the dog shit

459
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: out of you guys that I made. The guys started

460
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,199
Speaker 1: found me early and I started making making all of

461
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: my making, all my free throat. Do you remember what

462
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: the locker room was like when you lost to land

463
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 1: oh Man, that was bleak because you remember the year

464
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: before they got upset by Arizona. And in my opinion,

465
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: I thought that nineties seven team was one of the

466
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 1: best teams in college basketball history that never won. They

467
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: had that team gone through won the championship, they had

468
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 1: have been forty and one, and I would hang my

469
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 1: have them staying they're the best team in college basketball history.

470
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: I mean, I could really honestly say that lose the

471
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 1: Arizona So there was a ton of pressure on us,

472
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: and then you know we're a one seed rode on

473
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 1: into an eight seed, and I remember like in the

474
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: second half it kind of set in. We're like, we're

475
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: in a game here, worked down four or five. This

476
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: is not going well. Coach starts freaking out in time out.

477
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: He's getting on his hands and begging Ryan Robertson to

478
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: change the sides of the court bringing the ball up. Um,

479
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: It's just stuff was rapidly out of control. Then Katino

480
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: and Entyson wore on fire, so like you thought, coming

481
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: to the the last couple of minutes, and then when it's

482
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: over to get the locker room, it was just going

483
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: through those emotions again. I mean I was close to

484
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: the team as the high school. Seeing like now being

485
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: in the locker room, it was like, God, this sucks.

486
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: You know, I knew Race was done obviously he's a senior,

487
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 1: and we knew Paul was going to go and it

488
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: was just I'm her. Remember Matt already being just piste off.

489
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 1: It wasn't like we were he was said, I remember

490
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: our managers were like falling in tears. I mean I

491
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 1: was kind of in shock. I looked over inside my

492
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: locker was next to CB. I looked at the CB

493
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: and I was he was just like on the ground

494
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: with his head down. It was like I told people

495
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: this a lot like if you you played a program

496
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: like Kansas, if you don't win the Nation Championship, your seat,

497
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 1: your complete season as a failure. And I don't care

498
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: if you go if you go to the final four, Okay, cool,

499
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: that's fine. We get a banner, we get a ring, gray,

500
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 1: But like, what if you don't win the championship, it's

501
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 1: a complete failure, it really is. And that's the standard

502
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 1: that Kansas has set, you know. And so it's it's

503
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure. It's too much pressure a lot

504
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: of times for the players. And there's a few programs

505
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: like that, do Kentucky, Kansas. You know, if you don't

506
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 1: win it, it's it's a total failure, you know. So

507
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: but that's the that's the goals that we set, and

508
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 1: that's the pressure we put upon ourselves. But I just

509
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: remember how horrible that locker room was. It was. It

510
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: was nowhere you wanted to be. It was awful. So

511
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: you had a very good sophomore year in your junior year,

512
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: and that's when Gooden Collison Heinrich, I'll show up, Um,

513
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: why why why did you lose your start in in

514
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: like and like Roy is gonna cut you out the family? Now,

515
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 1: why did you lose your starting spot? I mean part

516
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: of it I think was like a self pulphion and

517
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 1: prophecy for him. I mean, I really think it was

518
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: like I, you know, I was the preseason all everything guy.

519
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: I had come back, and you know, I'd gotten on

520
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: as nervous about a few things. And I remember like

521
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 1: practice starting and and Nick and Drew really good, and

522
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: I was doing my thing and we're doing fine. And

523
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, like I remember, coach Holiday

524
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: was gone for a practice or two, and I was like,

525
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: as coach, I mean, w's Coach Holiday. He's like, oh,

526
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: he's he's going to uh watch Cincinnati's practice and coach

527
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: Huggins for a couple of days because he's learning how

528
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: to we're gonna implement a press and I'm like, what

529
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: are you talking about it? Because well, yeah, we're gonna start.

530
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna speed up tempo. We've got so

531
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: many guys are so deep. We're gonna just you know, uh,

532
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: we're gonna press and change our style. And I remember

533
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: thinking to myself, like, that's not what I kind of

534
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: signed up for to come back for whatever. And then,

535
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: like I said, it just spiled out of control. There

536
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: was you know, there was a lot of I mean,

537
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: Kampus has five beat writers, like the Yankees have five

538
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: beat writers. Like you know, every article was you know,

539
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: channel with stocks and then it was you know, Jason

540
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: Whitlaw's out there saying you got a bench channel. I mean,

541
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: it just it was public, it was private. It just

542
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: and then and I'll tell you what it is like

543
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: in every player knows this, Like confidence is is everything

544
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: in sports. I don't care who you are, what sport

545
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: you play. If you have confidence and you believe you

546
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: can get something done, you can get it done. Like

547
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: what John Wooden said, what do you whether you believe

548
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: you can do you can't, You're probably right right. I

549
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: lost my confidence. I mean I just I didn't coach,

550
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: don't believe me anymore. And and so I mean, it's

551
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: really go ahead, No, what do you think happen to me?

552
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,239
Speaker 1: Like you and I grew up together, Like I can

553
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: shoot a basketball right, and then you get you get

554
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: to this and you work all offseason and you're like,

555
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: all right, I got this, I got this ship. I

556
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: got this ship right, and then you know, and then

557
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: you're in practice and you take one shot in your

558
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: coach like no, no, no no, Like I remember with no Dame.

559
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: And when I was in high school, we played kind

560
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: of how people play now right, a lot outside and

561
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: eyeball screen, come down, shooting, transition, come off a ball

562
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: screen and shoot, or get get to the basket to score,

563
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: get to the basket, kick off. And he was like,

564
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: now you have to develop a mid range game. We

565
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: had no secondary break. There was no transition threes like

566
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: he took I made a transition three. He took me

567
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: out late in the season, and you just start to

568
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,719
Speaker 1: go like, funck, he doesn't think I can make it.

569
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: And then and for me, I think my problem would

570
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: be I would work my ass off in the off

571
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: season and really work, work, work, work, and then I

572
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: get in the regular season, and it was so it

573
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: was so emotionally and mentally taxing to go through practices

574
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,239
Speaker 1: and everything that I got beat up a little bit

575
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: in terms of how much I would work regular season,

576
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: and so it would become kind of like first I

577
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,719
Speaker 1: would miss, I'd have a bad practice, miss some shots.

578
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: He'd say something about me trying to prove to everybody

579
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: I could shoot. I get down on myself. I would

580
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: work a little bit less, and the less I worked,

581
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: obviously the results weren't is good. And it it just

582
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: kind of snowball, right, So I totally get it, like

583
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: it's it's really kind of amazing thing. And I think

584
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: the other thing that's interesting is both you and I,

585
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: like we're kind of ship talkers, right. We grew up

586
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: and we talked shot on each other on on Rome

587
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: Show back in the day. I don't I don't know

588
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: if our coaches, because I do think that Eddie said

589
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: and he would tell me, like you're my whipping boy,

590
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: You'll be my boy to day you finish you right, Like, hey,

591
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: that's actually not the way to coach me in terms

592
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: of my offensive game, right, Like I actually when you

593
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: when you yeah, and when you learned that it's too late,

594
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: like you learned that late in the season or late

595
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: in your career. It's like because like I played for

596
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: a really really good high Storming, a great high school

597
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: coach who wrote me and you know, m asked me,

598
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: I'll be down the court and everything. But but at

599
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: the end of the day, like I played every minute

600
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,719
Speaker 1: and then he had he had confidenced me to get

601
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: the job done. And so it was it was a

602
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: two way street, whereas at the next level it's different

603
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: because and I'll tell you this, you said, what point

604
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: did things are wrong? I remember it was like two

605
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: or three games into the season, and coach always made

606
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: us run after practice and we were doing sprints, and

607
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: like I didn't make us one time because we had

608
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: a two and a half hour practice and then we're

609
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: doing thirty threes and he just singled me out and

610
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: made me wrong until I threw up in everything. And

611
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: I remember you stood over me one time when I was,

612
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: you know, puking in a garbage trand and he said

613
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: it very clearly and very loud that he said, Eric,

614
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: we don't need you, you need us. And when he

615
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: said that, you know, now, looking back, I probably should

616
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: have had a conversation with my dad and say, hey,

617
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: you know what I need to like hire an agent,

618
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: go to the draft or transfer or something, because this

619
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: is him clearly saying that we've moved on from you,

620
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: you know, and that obviously when you're nine team playing

621
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: a KU and having a blast, like you don't want

622
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: to leave that program. But that's now looking back at

623
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: something I probably could have done and should have done. Yeah,

624
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: I actually actually here it would be my Here would

625
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: be my as I look back at my own because

626
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: because coach hapth me like, you can't trans because back

627
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: then you couldn't transfer twice, you know, like I could

628
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: have graduated early in transferred night after my junior year,

629
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: I let the country and assist playing only twenty eight

630
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: minutes a game because I was bench for like eight

631
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: games um and and barely played anyway, the transferring would

632
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: have been. But honestly, if I could go back, I

633
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: would have just had an honest conversation with him, right like,

634
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: and I don't know if you were able to have

635
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: that with with Coach Williams, but just the idea of

636
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: going to coach set and like, look like again I

637
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: have these imaginary conversation with coach Sutton had I just

638
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: walked in and gone like, hey, listen, man, if you

639
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: will just let me fire up six or seven threes

640
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: a game, I'll make a couple. I'll make a couple

641
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: like right, and and just not take Promise me you're

642
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: not gonna take me out. I'll take good shots because

643
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: they're all good shots, because nobody's sucking guarding me. Right Like,

644
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: you just let me take a couple, everything else will

645
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: open up. Like I know how to play back. You

646
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: don't have to tell me. You can yell at me

647
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: all you want, just don't. I I just hated coming out.

648
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: I felt like I'd never get back in. And we

649
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: had other guys on our team, Joe Atkins and Adrian

650
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: Peterson be like, funk, I'm taking have to take me out.

651
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: You can't win without me, and they come back in

652
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: fire it. I just mentally couldn't do it, so I

653
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: would shut down a little bit, and it was just

654
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: kind of snowball I got. I'll remember clear as day.

655
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: We played North Texas my senior year and all through preseason.

656
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: I'm going against Victor Williams, a kid who was really

657
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: good player. After I finished, he read he transferred his

658
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: red shooting from Illinois State, and he was, I mean,

659
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: he was hard for me. He was. He's quick as ship.

660
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: He's a AU coach workout guru in Kansas City now,

661
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 1: and I'm I had a really good preseason shooting the ball,

662
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: but I was the only guy going against the legit

663
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: high level D one player was guarding me because we

664
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: didn't we we played. We didn't even up the sides

665
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: when we played in because coach didn't anyway. So we

666
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: come out, We're playing North Texas and they're like not

667
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: guarding me at all. Guy at at the free throwing.

668
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: So I'm like, funk it, I'm gonna shoot every time.

669
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: I'm I understand, And I hit a couple against you guys,

670
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: and and so and and slow he started guarding so.

671
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: But this is early in the year, so they're playing

672
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: off me. I take eighteen shots, I make six. Now

673
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: I come in the locker room, and now I should

674
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: point out, I had, uh eighteen assists or something in

675
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: like something crazy in the game like I had. I'm

676
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: gonna say, like fifteen points and sixteen assists and like

677
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: two turnovers or whatever. So I come in and I've

678
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: always grabbed a stat statuet as soon as I come in,

679
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: because like, my brain is, what's everybody else doing? You know,

680
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: I do want to see my numbers, but anybody who

681
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: plays basketball at a high level usually knew you know

682
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: your own numbers for the most part. Right, You're like,

683
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: I know what I shot from you. So he just

684
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: rips the ship out of me and says, you know,

685
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: all you care about your status and as sists and

686
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: points and you sixteen or I don't know, eighteen shots.

687
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? I've never had a point guard

688
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: in my life take eighteen shots, right, So it's like

689
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: ringing in my head, like, look, they were all good shots.

690
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: I was open, you know, and like his whole thing

691
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: is like, don't take anything you can't prove to me.

692
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: You can make seven or eight or ten unguarded in

693
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: the gym, and I would like I'd make these shots

694
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,439
Speaker 1: in the gym. Anyway. We play which to a state

695
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 1: the next game, and I'm so petrified to shoot and

696
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: now they're like not guarding me at all, and it

697
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: just made life really So I totally feel for you

698
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: with the confidencing, you know, you just kind of lost

699
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: your confidence, Like how bad was it for you, like

700
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,399
Speaker 1: what was what was what was that? Like? How bad

701
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: was it for me? I think it was about as

702
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 1: bad as you get. You know, um, you know the

703
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: blood don't damage starts setting in because I was, you know,

704
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: projecting to be like a lot of a pick and

705
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: all those different things and that was instantly taken away.

706
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,280
Speaker 1: So you see that go away with all the potential

707
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: millions of dollars, which you know, you even know about

708
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: when you're a young kid in college. It was just

709
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: it was a really tough time. I remember, like losing weight.

710
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: I remember we were on a losing streak and we

711
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: all rallied together to shave our heads and solidarity, and

712
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: so I looked, I looked gaunt, and I'm just awful.

713
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a really really bad time in

714
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: my life, I remember. And so yeah, and so I

715
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: just remember after the season we are we lost to

716
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,959
Speaker 1: we lost to do UM in Puston, Salem, and after

717
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: the game, coach was addressing the team and he singled

718
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: me out and called me out and said, you know, basically,

719
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: you know there's still a player there and you have

720
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: a chance to redeem yourself, and I'm gonna challenge you

721
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: to take it upon yourself too, you know, have a

722
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: summer where you can become the player you were once

723
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: before and and you know, come haven't come back. And

724
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: it really inspired me. And I had one of the

725
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: best summers anybody had in the history of summer workouts.

726
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: Remember j Billis did an article on my summer workouts

727
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: and I was, you know, I was working out with

728
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: Tim Gurgerich and in Bob Thornton and at U c

729
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: l a Men's Jim. I mean, I had a personal trainer.

730
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: I did everything I could do to get back to

731
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,959
Speaker 1: where I was. But you get back there, you played

732
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: ten games and then things, you know, the damage is

733
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: obviously still done. So I then obviously slipped to the

734
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 1: second round draft of the Mixed and started my professional career.

735
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 1: But that that will call infidences is the most valuable

736
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: thing any athlete could you ever have. I'll tell you.

737
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,479
Speaker 1: I mean, help number one and confidence number two. Yeah,

738
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting, it's um I think that in real sports,

739
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: especially in basketball, confidence and and maybe conditioning um uh,

740
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: and and kind of culture kind of all those are

741
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: three cs that I don't think in broadcasting or in

742
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 1: fandom people understand, right, They just they don't get it.

743
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: And you know that that there are times where you know,

744
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: guys just you just run out of gas. Your coach

745
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: may have. And I wanted to ask you about coach

746
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: Williams in terms of practices in a second um where

747
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: you you leave your you know, you leave your game

748
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: on the practice floor or your confidence. You know, sometimes

749
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: coaches just don't know how to coach kids. Sometimes kids

750
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: go through these swings and confidence. Some kids are are

751
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: not that good, but they believe they are that good,

752
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: and some they just make shots to be like. That

753
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 1: was Desert Mason's thing his senior year was coach would

754
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: just feel him full of confidence and talk about how

755
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: great he was now hard he played and like that

756
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: dude can't shoot, and damn if he didn't make shots.

757
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: And he became a great shooter just because he believed

758
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 1: he and he and he would work more because it

759
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: were as some of the rest of us we got

760
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: beaten down because he was. He never praised us, like

761
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: literally never. Um uh okay, I got a funny. It

762
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: wasn't I'm sure funny from your perspective, but let me

763
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: shouldn't share my perspective. So my senior year this is

764
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: your junior year right where you're suffering through I think,

765
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: or sophomore you're suffering through the malah It was your

766
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: your junior year. You're suffering through the malaise. We were

767
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: only a year apart, but in high school we were

768
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: four years a part of huge thought out and transferred

769
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: and red shirted and repeated, no, no, what year? What

770
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: year did you? What year did you graduate high school?

771
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: Ninety seven? Kay, that's not four years? Should yeah no, yeah, sure, yes,

772
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: but but you said in high school we were four years. Differently,

773
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: in high school, we weren't in eighth grade. We would

774
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: have been eighth grade. Light Look, dude, when I was

775
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: in eighth grade, this trustow when I was eighth grade.

776
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 1: I finished eighth grade at Santiago Middle School. Okay, I

777
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: was five ft tall one and five pounds, so so

778
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 1: my and my dad had told me, like, you're not ready.

779
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 1: I wasn't emotionally, physically anything ready for high school. So

780
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: during during that year, okay, during the fifteen months between

781
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: June of whatever that was nineteen ninety and September of

782
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: nineteen nine, one game, fifteen months when I entered high

783
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: school at Tustin High School, uh in n. I was

784
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: roughly like five nine five nine and a half a

785
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: hundred in like twenty five pounds, right, that's like how

786
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: much I had grown during that time period. And that

787
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: year was a total total wash, like athletically everything, like

788
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: I I understand that, like red shirting, and it's it's

789
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: gotten to the point of being ridiculous. And we copied

790
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: kind of the Mirnovich model a little bit um but

791
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: but there will actually what when you graduated high school? Yeah,

792
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:23,439
Speaker 1: so anyway, so we're anyway, so so my my senior year,

793
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: so my junior year, we lose to you guys. The

794
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: only time I played a fog and that was the

795
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: short time backwards game. But what people don't know about

796
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: that game was a couple of things like one, I

797
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: had a couple open shots in the last possession that

798
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: I turned down and we end up kind of getting

799
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: no shot and Fred Johncey didn't missed the front of

800
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: like we should have beaten you in regulation, we didn't

801
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: and coached never one up there and then and then

802
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: we lost. Uncle Rico comments, we beat you. Hold on, dude,

803
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 1: Robertson catches the ball in overtime him he got fouled.

804
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: He did, he did not foul. I mean, we can

805
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: put the video out. It is. It's one of them.

806
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: I mean, like when when vital who you know, it's all.

807
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: It's one of the most calls of sued anyway. So

808
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: this is junior year. We lose up in in Lawrence

809
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: and later and we have to stay overnight in Lawrence,

810
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: and so we go out to the village in to

811
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: get something to eat. And who's there but Ryan Ryan Robertson,

812
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 1: who I'm jealous of because he's the starting point guard

813
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: in Kansas and that's one of the places I wanted

814
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: to go. Plus he gets his fucking bullshit call on

815
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: senior night to save him because he didn't play well.

816
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: Plus he didn't like me because in Sports Illustrated, I said,

817
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: Kansas is really good except for their guards, right, And

818
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: it's true. Our guards were better than your guards. I mean,

819
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: you know, Bush's a good, good dude and a good coach,

820
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: and he as good as Joe Atkins, and nobody was

821
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: as good as Adrian Peterson and Desi Mason technically as

822
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: a garden and you know, I thought I was better

823
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: than Ryan. So like, like Louie had some dudes in

824
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: the backcourt anyway. So I go up to Ryan. I

825
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: was like, hey, man, congrats, but god, that was a

826
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: bullshit called h bullshit way to end a great game.

827
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 1: And he's like, what are you talking about? It's sucking

828
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: foul were you talking like? He was so defensive about

829
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 1: it that it was so fast forward to my senior

830
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: year and we don't play you guys until I think

831
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: later in the year. You're you're not playing very much.

832
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: He's going with the younger dudes with Heinrich and Collinson

833
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: and Gooding, and we kick the fucking dog shit out

834
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: of you guys. We're up so many points in the

835
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: second half. We went to delay game. We just started

836
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: running our delay game stuff. Coach calls the time. I

837
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: was like, Hey, I gotta go to Lawrence next year.

838
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: Take it easy. We're not no fast breaks to take

839
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,720
Speaker 1: it easy anyway. So here's the here's the big question.

840
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: So we're up, like we're seriously up forty and coaches,

841
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: you know, doing everything he can to like actually it

842
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: was eighteen in the first half and Bosh hits like

843
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: an NBA three before break, like deep three. Somebody doesn't

844
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: guard him, and we come in and guys are screaming

845
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: at each other like who the funk left him open?

846
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: Or you and coaches like I'm don't you're there coming brother?

847
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: At that three, like we were so petrified that all

848
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you guys wake up and and you know,

849
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: second half starts and Desmond goes crazy and I make

850
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: a couple of shots and like when I make shots

851
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: that the ship is over. I made free throws that night,

852
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: and so we're in delayed, so it's probably I'm again

853
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: my memory is really good, but this part I don't remember.

854
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: It felt like it was like eight minutes to go

855
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: in the game, and you guys start fouling me right

856
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: to get to to get to the bonus to make

857
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: me shoot free throws and Bowshee fouls me, gets his

858
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: fourth foul and the this the staff turns up, sums up.

859
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: It's like, don't foul you have four. The ball comes

860
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: in bounds the very next play and he fouls again

861
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: and he's like fuck this and he goes and sits down,

862
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: and Coach Williams didn't stand up. Okay, so do do

863
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: you guys, like there is a lot of pumbling wins

864
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: you guys have. Do you remember it felt like it

865
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: felt like you guys gave up. Well I didn't give up.

866
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: I remember my minutes were really short at that time,

867
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: so I wasn't I didn't really have a chance to

868
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: contribute to do much. But I remember that game was

869
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: over before it started. It was like within the for

870
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: the first TV time out, it was like we were

871
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 1: down twelve. And like I said, that was a part

872
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 1: of the season where you know, we hated practices, we

873
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: were you know, losing games. It was I mean we

874
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: lost ten games that year and so and I don't know,

875
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: that was towards end of the season, so we had

876
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: lost you know, eight or seven games something like that,

877
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: and coach had tried everything. He canceled practice and we

878
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: go bowling. He he ran us he, I mean, we

879
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: did everything, and it just we just couldn't. We just

880
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't click, you know, just I don't know, you know,

881
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: there was that that was just a tough time of

882
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: the year. So that was one of those situations where

883
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: I've never given up, but it was just I mean

884
00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: I remember I vividly remember you know, Jeff can foul

885
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 1: and kind of walking up the court and I'm tucking

886
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,959
Speaker 1: his shirt and like plopping down. I remember that, but like, yeah,

887
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: that was not a fun night. I'm sure it was

888
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: for you guys. Actually, actually, go ahead, good tell me

889
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: a funny story. I have one to go ahead. But

890
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: my my parents had seen a million games that I

891
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: was good out, so they were like, hey, we want

892
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: to start going seeing games like in these other big

893
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: twelve towns. So my parents were that game and I

894
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: remember I don't if you remember this, but I think

895
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: it was my actually my senior we were playing there,

896
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 1: but my mother was no senior. You didn't play there.

897
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: Senior didn't play there. Okay, well then it was my

898
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: junior or my mother was battling cancer and um, and

899
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: she you know, she was stage three, but she was

900
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 1: she was gonna make it. And I remember, um, you know,

901
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: your fans there was a section right behind our bench

902
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: and they would chirp at us, which is fine, but

903
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 1: then one guy said something like, yeah, go home and

904
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 1: cry to your Mommy channel with and so the subject

905
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: of my mother was so delicate at the time. And

906
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: you know, my dad us the ex college football players

907
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: six to you know, three bills at the time. I

908
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: looked back and all I saw was my dad going

909
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,959
Speaker 1: straight forward this guy and I was like, oh shit,

910
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: you know this is gonna be national news. This is

911
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: like and luckily, uh there was a state trooper that

912
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 1: we had behind the bench and he heard and saw

913
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,760
Speaker 1: the whole thing and grabbed my dad and basically said,

914
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: don't do this. This isn't worth it. They kicked the

915
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: guy out, and now is it. But I remember, like

916
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 1: just one thing after another. That was just a horrible,

917
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: horrible year, horrible time. My mom was dick, I was

918
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: losing my my you know, my draft spot, and I

919
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: was falling in second round. We were losing games. It

920
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,720
Speaker 1: was I mean, I lost one of my best friends

921
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: um at home and passed away, you know, in a

922
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: motorcycle accident in the summer. It was the pits. It

923
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,959
Speaker 1: was awful and so um you know, just talking about

924
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: it now brings back all those emotions, I know. But

925
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: you know what the good news is my mother, uh

926
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: you know, she's twenty years passed. She's made it through, um,

927
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,479
Speaker 1: you know, and and I ended up getting to play

928
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,919
Speaker 1: pro and things are going well now. So we made

929
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 1: it through. But it was it was a really dark

930
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: tough time. Yeah, I mean, like I get my junior

931
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: was crazy dark too, like I led to leave the

932
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,439
Speaker 1: country and assists. But I went through this thing where

933
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: I got I got thrown out of I got a

934
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: tea and we lost to Florida Atlantic, and I got

935
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: a bad tea and and we lost this game to

936
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: a shitty team. I actually played had eighteen assists and

937
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: played well, and and then and then and then we

938
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: played U C l A at the Pond and I

939
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 1: get two teas in the first half and we lose

940
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: by three, and so I'm like, and then Glenn Alexander

941
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: gets eligible, so I'm I'm the odd man out and

942
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: he benches me for like eight games. You know, I'm

943
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: petrified to shoot to do anything other than like be

944
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 1: a robot out there. And and we massively under a tea.

945
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: We were a top. I mean, if we would have

946
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: played all our small guys and played small all the

947
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: way that we played small before everybody else played small

948
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: with Mason at the four. We played Mason at the

949
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,879
Speaker 1: five one time against Texas and came back and made

950
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: it a close game, but he just wouldn't do it

951
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 1: like we. We could have won the whole thing playing

952
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: small anyway. My point is, like my junior was the

953
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: ships too, like it was. It's really really hard, and um,

954
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: I can't imagine, like one of the great things about

955
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: being me, I look in still Water, I was a

956
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: pretty big thing. Whatever. But I'm still a six ft

957
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: white guy who can throw on a hat and a

958
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: hoodie and disappear like you're a seven footer. At Kansas

959
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: and anywhere you go, everybody knows you. What is What's

960
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: that I've always wondered, like, what's that existence? Like when

961
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: you literally cannot hide? It was awful, man. And I remember,

962
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: like there's some the KU has a school paper of

963
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: the ud K, and you know, they pile it on

964
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: the campus, so everybody reads the sting and in the

965
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,760
Speaker 1: in the u d K, the University Daily Cancer, there's

966
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: a actually called the Free for All and you can

967
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: call into an eight hunter number and say whatever you

968
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: want and they will print it in the free for

969
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: All section of the ud K. And so literally, for

970
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: about two months straight, every every time, the first comment

971
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,760
Speaker 1: was Chenowa sucks, and then it was I mean literally,

972
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: these are drunk frat boys or whatever calling in and

973
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 1: they would print this. And so you know, obviously all

974
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: school papers have the crossbrod puzzles. You always want to

975
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 1: get to that. But like I remember, just I grab

976
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: it every day, sit down and boom, it's right there.

977
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: And then you look around and you're in a classroom

978
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: with maybe it's the lecture hall there's two hundred people

979
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: and there people are kind of looking back at you.

980
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: And then maybe you're in a smaller class there's forty

981
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: people and they're reading it and looking up at you.

982
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: It's like you cannot escape it. In Lawrence, Cansas, there's

983
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:52,240
Speaker 1: a hundred thousands people in the city. There's students everywhere

984
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 1: you go, every you walk, and it was it was

985
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: really really odd, really awful time. The one saving grace

986
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: was my groommate and teammage, Jeff Carry, who became one

987
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: of my best friends in the whole world. And we

988
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 1: would you know, he was just incredibly supportive of me

989
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: and such a good friend and we I don't know

990
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: what I would have done without him because he was

991
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 1: a big guy, and so we'd go through practice together

992
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: and he saw all the stuff that was going on,

993
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 1: he saw me loose, support from every different angle, and

994
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: he was really incredible. And I had I had a

995
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: really nice girlfriend of time. She was she was really

996
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: helpful to but like if it wasn't for those two people,

997
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: like I don't, I can't explain. It was really dark times,

998
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,439
Speaker 1: it was really really hard. So if you could, if

999
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: you if you could go back and do it again,

1000
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: you would have left after your left when he kind

1001
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: of when I would have left after my sophomore year.

1002
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: So I listen to this. So my sophomore year, I

1003
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: was the third player in Kansas basketball history at the

1004
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: average a double double in conference play, will Chamberlain, race

1005
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 1: La Friends Eric chenwith the only three players at that time.

1006
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: There's been players to do it since, but in that time,

1007
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 1: it's only three players in Can history to average a

1008
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: double double and conference play. And then I think I

1009
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: averaged like fourteen and ten or something like that. Had

1010
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: a really good year. I mean I showed all my

1011
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 1: strengths and all those different things. And I remember, like

1012
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: I when when you get recruited they go to Kansas,

1013
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 1: they coach gives you this like four year plan. Okay,

1014
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: freshman year, you're all freshman set. You know, Alvera mentioned

1015
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 1: all conference, and then sophomore year you're gonna be all conference,

1016
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: and then and then junior or you're all American and

1017
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: the Senior Player of the Year, and and so you

1018
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: had all these different goals that set out that you

1019
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: wanted to attain. And I saw Rape stay all four years.

1020
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: I saw Scott Polit's day for all four years. I

1021
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: saw Paul's day three years back there, guys just didn't

1022
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: leave that early. Remember Elton brand left and it was like, wow,

1023
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: you know he's only a sophomore. Well, so I had

1024
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: a meeting with coach and he was like, yeah, Eric,

1025
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 1: you know, you can go out and be a top

1026
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: fifteen pick, but you can come back and be a

1027
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: number one pick, you know. And I'm like, yeah, Coach,

1028
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come back and be a number one pick. Well, people,

1029
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: what I what I know now, and especially when I

1030
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: do for a living now, A window to get in

1031
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: the NBA is very very very small, very small. And

1032
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 1: some guys can trick the system and sneak in the

1033
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: first round and get four years in the league and

1034
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 1: wash out. Some guys, you know, can can can have

1035
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: a different path to get to the n b A.

1036
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: But but for the most part, your window to get

1037
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: there is very small. So if anybody ever tells you, hey,

1038
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: you're the top fifteen pick, you have to go. You

1039
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: can buy all the insurance in the world, you can

1040
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: do everything you want, but there's too many different variables

1041
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: that can happen when you come back. And so and

1042
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: think about this when you come back or the combine

1043
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: or whatever, it's a devaluation period. When you're playing in

1044
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,879
Speaker 1: the games, you're playing well, you're doing things supposed to do.

1045
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: It's an evaluation period. So when you come back after

1046
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: a really good year, all scouts are gonna do is

1047
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: try to pick apart what you can't do. Right. So

1048
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: I remember talking about it. I don't know if that's

1049
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 1: I don't know if I totally agree with that. I'll

1050
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: give you a give example. And look, this is a discussion.

1051
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: This is not we're not we don't have to go

1052
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: into you feel free to hop in. Okay, but you

1053
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: take I remember Harrison Barnes, okay, and um he got

1054
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,399
Speaker 1: to the Warriors and didn't how to play. I talked

1055
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 1: to the people of the Warriors and they're like, yeah,

1056
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: he doesn't know how to play. I understand, but but

1057
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: but wait, you're you're you're telling me, but you're you're

1058
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: saying what you're telling me? What saying one thing and

1059
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: then saying the opposite, Right, you're saying that Harrison Barnes

1060
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 1: should leave, should leave after his freshman year. Um, but

1061
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: he didn't know how to play, right, So it's like

1062
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: from though, that's different, like he well, well here, let

1063
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: me let me share with my my perspective here. Okay,

1064
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 1: So again, and I don't I don't echo everything that

1065
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: every NBA scout says, um, because everybody has a different

1066
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 1: system of evaluation. Right. But but for me, you know,

1067
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: I watched him. He played two years at North Carolina,

1068
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: and obviously the second year he average like a point

1069
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 1: a half more UM. He shot roughly, he shot like

1070
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:03,720
Speaker 1: two percent points higher from from the field. He shot

1071
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: I think one percent or two percentage points higher from

1072
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: three Okay, but the game was much easier. But like, look,

1073
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: he I thought he got better. Now he would have

1074
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 1: been a top ten pick if he came out his

1075
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: first year, he would have been top ten pick came

1076
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 1: out a second year. But there's the this do you improve?

1077
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 1: Do you like? My? I I understand the idea that

1078
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: all they do is pick you apart. All they do

1079
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,919
Speaker 1: is pick you apart. My my thing is I try

1080
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: and pick apart, like, hey, has he improved? Is he

1081
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: getting better it? What's his body? Like? I think, honestly,

1082
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: you need two years of college because one, I want

1083
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: to see you the second year when you're more comfortable

1084
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: in the system, because, as you said earlier in the party,

1085
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: like your first year, ships moving so fast and you're

1086
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: just a robot and you're just and they're not really

1087
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: you know, look, we did this at Okahoma State, like

1088
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: my first year, even as a transfer, Like, they don't

1089
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: really coach you the first half of the year because

1090
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 1: they don't want to freak you out and they don't

1091
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 1: want and then all of a sudden, like January comes

1092
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: and they start streaming at you and film like what

1093
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: the funk are you doing here? You're like, well, sorry,

1094
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: you didn't yell at me last week. What happened? Um?

1095
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: Whereas you're like your second year, now you the road

1096
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: games don't bother you, coaching doesn't bother you. You can

1097
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:17,399
Speaker 1: just kind of be like your second and third years

1098
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: when you kind of find your your and and I

1099
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: think for scouts, you need that second year to see,

1100
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: all right, has this guy figured out Kenny running offense?

1101
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: Canny figure out scatter reports? Has he improved from your

1102
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 1: one year two. What's his body look like? Because guy's

1103
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: bodies changed dramatically between eighteen and and twenty one. UM,

1104
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: And so like you're you're kind of you're kind of saying, hey,

1105
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: you should go right away, but then saying, like a

1106
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: Harrison Barnes, like he got there and he didn't know

1107
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: how to play basketball. You didn't know if my NBA basketball.

1108
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That he didn't know how to

1109
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:52,280
Speaker 1: play in the NBA type system, in the Carolina system,

1110
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: which you know, secondary break, the one, D two, B three,

1111
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: which we discussed and all these different things. But he

1112
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,879
Speaker 1: didn't I'll not go to name the name, but someone

1113
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 1: from the Warrior said he did not know how to play.

1114
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 1: You know how to play and so but now, no,

1115
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 1: there's no exact formula across the board. Every situation is different,

1116
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 1: and I'm just saying in my situation, I played two years, yeah,

1117
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 1: and I remember and I know Mark working team very well.

1118
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: I've known him forever and I've known since I was

1119
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: fifth sixth grade. He told me. I remember two years

1120
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: later I saw him. He said, Eric, we were gonna

1121
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: he was in Portland's time. He said, we were gonna

1122
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: trade up to get the six team to pick you.

1123
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 1: He said, there's no way in hell you would have

1124
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: Philip past sixteen. And if you look at that draft,

1125
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: the first big guy drafted was Elton Branded. I don't

1126
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: know what he went with. It was high. The second

1127
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: seven quarter picked wasn't. It was a European who was

1128
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: playing on a juco in Kansas, who went twelve, who

1129
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: never played in the NBA ever. I don't know the

1130
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: guy's name. I got to look it up, but I was.

1131
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: I remember sitting that watching the draft, and I was like,

1132
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: what the like? I was? I was? I had known

1133
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: at that point I made the wrong decision. I probably

1134
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 1: should have gone because you could get there. But on

1135
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: the on the flip side, I have goals of getting

1136
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 1: to a Final Four, being an All American, all those

1137
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: different things. So and I'll tell you what, Doug. I

1138
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: don't know when the trend started of one and done.

1139
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: But unless for Earls and other examples less, Earl should

1140
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 1: have never gone to college. He should have gone straight

1141
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 1: to the NBA out of high school and he would

1142
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: have played the league for ten plus years. He went

1143
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: to college. He transferred from Ellis, who sat out and

1144
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: kneeds knee issues, bad medical care, and then all of

1145
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: a sudden he's done and now he's, you know, starting

1146
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: a new life doing something, not playing basketball. When you

1147
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: look at the pass and decisions that people take and

1148
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: if they have the right guy and to make the

1149
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: right decision, it's amazing what can happen in your life

1150
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: and your career at such a young age. So here's

1151
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: the question about less Earle. Okay, there's a question about

1152
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 1: less Earle. I'm gonna disagree with you in terms of

1153
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: he might have. Yeah, like I that you talked about

1154
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: foll by the way, was Alexander Radovitch from Barton New

1155
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: Community College. Yeah. Uh. And then and then Cal Bold

1156
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: played bad caw caw Boulder went seventeen to Atlanta out

1157
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: of O d U. He played three years in the league. Man,

1158
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 1: it is a bad big guy draft, bad bad big

1159
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: guy draft. So that's the window. That's what I'm talking about. Right.

1160
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 1: So so even if I wasn't ready, at least you

1161
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: get there and you get washed out or whatever, least

1162
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: you make it. You know what I mean. And that's

1163
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: the right I would say though that it's like I

1164
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: think for the NBA, I think it's a mistake to

1165
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: take the guys out of high school because you can't tell.

1166
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: Like I remember, I remember Sebastian Telfare that was at

1167
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: oh four whatever the big or oh five whatever the big.

1168
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: Maybe it's so five the big. The last big high

1169
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: school draft was Dwight Howard was in and the McDonald's

1170
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: American Game was in Oklahoma City and I was broadcasting

1171
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 1: it for ESPN, and you know, you watch the workouts

1172
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 1: and every night we go to Beers, the place that

1173
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 1: became Durant's Bar, with some some other bar there. And

1174
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 1: I remember sitting around with a bunch of these guys,

1175
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 1: was like, which one of you guys is gonna lose

1176
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 1: your job over Sebastian Telfare, Like what do you mean?

1177
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: I was like, he can't play fucking basketball. Like he

1178
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: can't play. They're like, what do you mean? I was like, look,

1179
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: he can make the passes and but he he can't shoot.

1180
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: He doesn't know when to do what he just knows

1181
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 1: like if I get the ball, every time I get

1182
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: the ball, my job is to try and break the

1183
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: guy down, get to the get to the rim, and

1184
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 1: if help comes, kick off for a dunk like that's it. Yeah, right,

1185
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: But it's not even just get buckets. It's just like

1186
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: every and that's not how you play basketball, Like you

1187
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: got to move sometimes the best play is just to

1188
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 1: pass the ball and and get the funk out of

1189
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: the way. And he like he had no idea how

1190
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: to play, and you could see in his interactions like

1191
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 1: he didn't really understand how to be a leader. Even

1192
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: though guys looked up to him, he was so interested

1193
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 1: in being Bassie that he wasn't like you just watched

1194
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: you like this is a disaster, this is bad. That

1195
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 1: kid needs college. He needs a coach, motherfucking for a

1196
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 1: couple of years. For every example like that, there's another

1197
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: example of someone who didn't make the right decision by

1198
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: going early or what happened. And so for him, I mean,

1199
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 1: his older brother played in the NBA, and he was

1200
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 1: he was, but his being to who he matched out

1201
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 1: at a young age, and Melvin Mel his brother mel

1202
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: he had a half brother step brother play the NA.

1203
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: Mean you mean Jamal Jamal Thomas. I don't think. I

1204
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 1: don't think Jamal ever played in the NBA. But I

1205
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 1: played with him in the A B A. Yeah, I

1206
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 1: played with him in Nick Summerwick, So I know he's

1207
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: a great guy. By the way, he is a great guy.

1208
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, but I just I mean and a and

1209
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: a good player. And he went by five. He I

1210
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: wasn't allowed to come, so he played this true story.

1211
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: I played with Phoenix with him in the A B

1212
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 1: A UM. I think we were Actually this is a

1213
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: true story. I didn't even know until a couple of

1214
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 1: weeks ago that our nickname was the Eclipse, the Phoenix Eclipse.

1215
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 1: I played for a deem and I didn't know, and

1216
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 1: Mas track was my coach. How about that? So so

1217
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 1: Mass my coach and he goes and I just got

1218
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 1: the plane from Israel. I left my team in Israel

1219
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,439
Speaker 1: to come play from mas and for the Phoenix team

1220
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 1: and they had um and and Jamal was there. And

1221
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 1: I played against Jamel in college at that Notre Dame,

1222
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: and I was like, I was like, what up, Mel,

1223
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 1: He's like, don't call me that. I was excuse me,

1224
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 1: Like I go by five, Like like Jamal is my

1225
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 1: government name. He was in this like that's my government name,

1226
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 1: and call me call me five, Okay, So I remember

1227
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 1: we're go ahead. Yeah. I was summarily with the Knicks

1228
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 1: and and uh Cliff and Tibbs and Jeff and the

1229
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 1: only called him out. They did. And I don't think

1230
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 1: it's gonna tell the coach now to call him oult

1231
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 1: what we call him out. Okay, So you get drafted

1232
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 1: in the second round the NBA draft. Okay, Um, what happened?

1233
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 1: Then immediately on a flight out to New York. Um

1234
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 1: you staying at the Marriott resident in on Parker Avenue

1235
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: and White Plains, New York. Uh. And then I was

1236
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: it was me. They drafted Michael Wright God rest his

1237
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: soul um after me, two picks after me, and so

1238
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 1: it was me and him, Steve Clifford, Tom Thibodeau and

1239
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 1: at Sunny purchased every day for six hours. I mean

1240
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 1: it was literally it was hot gym no A C.

1241
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 1: And we would do you know, workout starts at nine,

1242
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:20,959
Speaker 1: so you get there at eight thirty or so, get dress,

1243
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 1: get out there, you stretched, loosen up. We do two

1244
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 1: hours literally two hours of spot shooting, shooting drills, ball,

1245
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 1: having different drills, whatever, um break, get launch, go back,

1246
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 1: lift weights for an hour, cardio for an hour. And

1247
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 1: mind you, this is in New York in the summer,

1248
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 1: which you lived up there, you know how it is

1249
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 1: it's brutal, but every day all the way leading up

1250
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 1: to camp, and I remember, um, you know, then obviously

1251
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: I was you know, I did on September eleven, Um,

1252
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 1: I had an appearance with fives of Pharmaceuticals were doing

1253
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,439
Speaker 1: a healthy living promotion. So I was on a second

1254
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: and second at the part of the pharmaceuticals building doing

1255
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 1: a promotion there. When the two planes hit, I had

1256
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: to obviously walk up to the Upper East Side and

1257
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 1: take a train out of the city back up the

1258
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 1: white planes. But I remember, you know, going through that summer,

1259
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 1: going through that that event on September eleven, and then

1260
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 1: kind of feeling like I earned my stripes. You know,

1261
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 1: I thought, Okay, I have a chance to make this roster.

1262
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 1: And I remember, like a week before camp, Jeff van

1263
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: Gundy pulls me in his office and he goes, hey, hey, Eric,

1264
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 1: I just want you know that you're not gonna make

1265
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 1: this team, so um, do whatever you gotta do. It's

1266
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 1: something of the sort like that. And so I was,

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01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 1: like it was it was pretty hard pill to swallow,

1268
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: just because you know, I've worked so hard, I've been

1269
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 1: through so much. I was developing relationships with the guys

1270
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 1: on the team. And then all of a sudden, at

1271
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 1: the eleventh hour, when all camp spots are full, I

1272
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 1: get the rug pulled out and I now got to

1273
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 1: scramble to find a place to go, and so um

1274
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 1: and I and I later on I heard the backstory

1275
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 1: behind this where Scott Layden really liked me and wanted

1276
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 1: to pick me. Um. And so they're in the war

1277
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:09,919
Speaker 1: room a draft night, and I guess guys were throwing

1278
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 1: out names and Scott Leyden kind of pounded the table

1279
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 1: and said, up, we're picking Channel with and everybody half

1280
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 1: the room was good with it. Half was like, oh God,

1281
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 1: here we go, and so um. It just obviously they

1282
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 1: kept Michael right until the very last second and cut

1283
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 1: him with forty hours left on the waiver line, and

1284
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:29,439
Speaker 1: so um, you know it was it was a really

1285
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 1: I don't making excuses, it was at it. You know.

1286
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 1: I gave me an opportunity, which I appreciate, but it

1287
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 1: was a really difficult situation for me. I went to

1288
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 1: Camp A Sacramento, theready have picked in the guaranteed spots,

1289
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 1: basically went there to get a pair of socks whatever

1290
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 1: and go to camp, get the field and then it

1291
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 1: was off the D League and overseas, and my journey

1292
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 1: and career started from there. But um, I do remember

1293
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 1: being drafted and how good of a feeling that was

1294
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 1: and how exciting it was, and it was a really

1295
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 1: nice moment to share with my family and especially my

1296
01:05:57,160 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 1: mom who had just beaten cancer, and so um it was.

1297
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 1: It was, you know, a sign of a comeback, not

1298
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 1: a full comeback. Obviously I wish I had gone in

1299
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 1: the first round, but it was. That was actually a

1300
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 1: really good time in my life, opposed to two years before.

1301
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 1: You know, um uh okay, then you one year you

1302
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 1: had a I thought you were going to make the

1303
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 1: Lakers Like that one made sense to me. Yeah, yeah,

1304
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 1: that was interesting. So I remember I went to camp

1305
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 1: with like I said, it went with it. It was

1306
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 1: the Knicks, and then went to the Sacramento for camping

1307
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 1: D League and then in O two I went to

1308
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 1: camp with Seattle, got cut there and went to the

1309
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 1: D League, and um, I remember I was playing the

1310
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 1: D League and I got no members. Valentine's Day of

1311
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 1: two three, the coach he cut me on the tarmac.

1312
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 1: He's like, Eric, this isn't working out. We're gonna go

1313
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 1: lect you go and I said, okay. So Ajan called

1314
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 1: me with a bunch of different opportunities overseas and whatever,

1315
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 1: and I said, you know what, I need to get

1316
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 1: back to the drawing board. And I remember I came home.

1317
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 1: I hired a guy named Todd Norman as a trainer,

1318
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 1: the Cutting Edge here in Orange County. So I just

1319
01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 1: dedicated myself to improving my body, getting mentally, you know, strong,

1320
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 1: physically strong, rols, different things. I started working out with

1321
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 1: an individual coach named Jody Gardner, who's out here is

1322
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 1: a really good individual guy. And then when all the

1323
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 1: NBA guys came back for the summer, Shaan ro Shawn

1324
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 1: Marks and all those guys. You know, I just dedicated

1325
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 1: myself to getting becoming a better athlete, becoming a better player.

1326
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 1: And I remember the Lakers, um you know, invited me

1327
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 1: to the summer league team and I played really well

1328
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 1: on that team, and then they invited me to camp,

1329
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 1: and I remember, you know Phil, I felt like Phil

1330
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 1: liked me because Coach Jackson liked me because I, you know,

1331
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 1: challenged shack. At the time, I'd gotten up to two

1332
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 1: pounds and I was I was pretty well put together

1333
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 1: at the time because before I had been the little

1334
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 1: skinny and so I put my you know, I was

1335
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 1: benching three thirty pounds of squatting four hunder pounds, and

1336
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 1: I wasn't really really good ship and I was really strong,

1337
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 1: and so Phil like the fact that I could challenge

1338
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 1: shack and practice and so you know, I had that

1339
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 1: entire summer every day at the facility working out and

1340
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 1: um and then working out with coach Rambis and the

1341
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 1: whole staff there was fantastic. And so we get to

1342
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 1: camp and actually Phil started me in a couple of games,

1343
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 1: which was pretty crazy. We only we had a T

1344
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 1: and T game at at Staples Center and Phil wrote

1345
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 1: up on the board chennow with and I'm like I

1346
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 1: looked around and I was like, this is a shoot around.

1347
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 1: And so I knew all day I was started for

1348
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 1: the Lakers. And I'll never forget Gennaro Pargo. We were

1349
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 1: walking through our cars and He's like, damn, and you

1350
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:29,799
Speaker 1: started with the Lakers man, And he was like teasing

1351
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 1: me about it, and Kareem Rush was and Luke Walton

1352
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 1: and Brian Cook all those guys were like hey, like

1353
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 1: and I first split second thought, I was like, I'm

1354
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 1: gonna make this team. This is crazy. And then I

1355
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 1: remember Steve Kirk, who I was, you know, a buddy

1356
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:45,800
Speaker 1: and I really respect him. He was like, you know,

1357
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,679
Speaker 1: I've been monitoring Eric for his you know, short career

1358
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 1: so far, and I think he's good enough to make it.

1359
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 1: And I think Eric's gonna make this roster. And I

1360
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 1: remember my dad hearing that. I mean, everything was aligned

1361
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 1: to make the team. And then right towards the Brian

1362
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 1: Russell Uh hurt his knee and um he required surgery.

1363
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 1: He was gonna about for two months, and so Mitch

1364
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 1: called me in and said, Eric, we cannot cut someone

1365
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 1: if they're not healthy. You have to pass your as

1366
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 1: exit physical in order to be released. Well, he cracked

1367
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 1: his knee and had surgery whatever, and he says, we

1368
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 1: can't cut him, so we're gonna cut you. And that

1369
01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:27,760
Speaker 1: one really really stung because I've done so much to

1370
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:30,639
Speaker 1: get to that point. I'd really developed a relationship with Shaq,

1371
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 1: Kobe even respected me. I felt like a little bit.

1372
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:36,760
Speaker 1: We did the King's Drill where there's four big men

1373
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:38,639
Speaker 1: of one on one on the post was me, Shaq

1374
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 1: car Malone, um Um Uh Sampson and another big guy

1375
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 1: Kimeron who was horse Grant one on one of the

1376
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 1: post to five and it Shack car all these names

1377
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 1: and I won the first one to five. I won it.

1378
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 1: It's called the King's Game. And when we came back

1379
01:09:56,840 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 1: to the center in like Phil was like one and

1380
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 1: and I didn't say anything. I just stood there with

1381
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 1: a mouth shut in Shack was like the other big

1382
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 1: order women. And Kobe looked at me and I gave

1383
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:08,680
Speaker 1: me like a punch on the chest, like all right,

1384
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 1: o se because he comes from March kind of call.

1385
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 1: And that was like a feeling of like wow, I'm

1386
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:16,040
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna make it anyway. And then Brian Russell.

1387
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:18,600
Speaker 1: Fast forward two years later, I was in camp with

1388
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 1: the Nuggets. The same thing happened there too. I had

1389
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 1: a really good chance of making the team and he

1390
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 1: got hurt again and U and they had to keep him.

1391
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 1: So that was my fortune and that's how it goes.

1392
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:32,880
Speaker 1: But that's you know. But still that month with the

1393
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 1: Lakers in camp was the best experience I've ever had

1394
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:38,559
Speaker 1: in my life in any level. It was so funny,

1395
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:40,800
Speaker 1: so that the thing I liked about and I was

1396
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 1: at the Lakers three different times in I did the

1397
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 1: I did Summer league? Was it oh one summer league?

1398
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 1: Oh one Summer league? This is when you were at

1399
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 1: the Knicks um and I played in the Summer league team,

1400
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 1: and the all three years I did, uh like they

1401
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:59,680
Speaker 1: had a vet minicamp before you went to Hawaii and

1402
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 1: like the first the first year, I I literally flew

1403
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 1: back from Italy. I was, I was with the team

1404
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 1: in Italy, and I thought I had this shot to

1405
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 1: it was me and Mike Pemberty, and I did everything

1406
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 1: better than Mike Pemberty except that dude could fucking shoot, like,

1407
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:17,600
Speaker 1: I mean, he could just fun he coaches with him now,

1408
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 1: I mean, he can fucking just shoot the fucking ball.

1409
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 1: And and I didn't really and like triangles a bad

1410
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 1: offense for me, but you know, Tex helped me get

1411
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 1: in there, and then they liked me and they're like, hey,

1412
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 1: you know, go play overseas and come back. So I

1413
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 1: came back from Russia and now I was good. But

1414
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:35,840
Speaker 1: they had also brought in Pemberthy and Joe Crispin, who

1415
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 1: can also fucking shoot, and both those dudes made it

1416
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 1: and I didn't. Then the third year, those guys, I

1417
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 1: think the third year those guys were both kind of

1418
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 1: embedded in the roster, and by then I was like

1419
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 1: I was good, Like I could hoop and I had

1420
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 1: gotten rid of some of the mental ship and I

1421
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,840
Speaker 1: understood the offense. But you know, it's like, look, you

1422
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 1: like a limited shooter, as no matter how good athletically

1423
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:01,759
Speaker 1: year off pick and roll, you are in that offense

1424
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 1: as a third point guard, like they don't really fucking

1425
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:07,680
Speaker 1: need you. But what I loved about the Lakers was, um,

1426
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 1: they treat every dude like I even when I knew

1427
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:12,679
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna make it like I'd come in, I'd

1428
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 1: get massages, I work out like. They treat you just

1429
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 1: like you're on the team. But there is something too

1430
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:19,040
Speaker 1: that when you walk down that when we walk down,

1431
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:20,680
Speaker 1: as you know, you check, you walk in, you say

1432
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 1: hi to the receptionists, you walk and then you see

1433
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 1: these pictures of all these incredible Lakers, like funk I

1434
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 1: could be on the Lakers. I'm like this close, and

1435
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 1: then Mitch comes in, He's like, hey man, we think

1436
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:32,759
Speaker 1: you're great. You should really think about the D League

1437
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 1: and we'd think about calling you up. And when I'm like,

1438
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 1: wait that that I was just walking down thinking I

1439
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 1: was making the team anyway. Okay, so so what you

1440
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 1: do now is you have you insure you insure uh,

1441
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 1: some of the great athletes in college. Like how did

1442
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:52,719
Speaker 1: you get into this and what do you actually do? Yeah?

1443
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:56,519
Speaker 1: Thank good questions. So obviously retired away got in the

1444
01:12:56,560 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 1: coaching for a couple of years. Made no sense. So umo, folks,

1445
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:01,760
Speaker 1: job was finding a job and I almost took a

1446
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 1: job at a d g um Philip and Shoots is

1447
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 1: that you know? K you guys? So you fought to

1448
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 1: a resume and almost did something there and right before

1449
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 1: I did it? Wait wait wait, Philip and Shoots is

1450
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:12,560
Speaker 1: a K you guy. I want to make sure that

1451
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 1: people understand this. Okay, this this is really really this

1452
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:18,560
Speaker 1: is a big This is my big thing. Okay. And

1453
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying about going straight at a

1454
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:23,559
Speaker 1: high school to to to to the pros if you can.

1455
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:26,479
Speaker 1: The problem with it, by my estimation, is there'll be

1456
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 1: so many kids that go they'll end up in the

1457
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:30,800
Speaker 1: G league. They don't understand. Everyone talks about the value

1458
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 1: of college and I pisses me off, and there's no

1459
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,760
Speaker 1: value to college. First, like, there's lots of jobs you

1460
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:37,720
Speaker 1: can't have without a degree. But the big thing you

1461
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:40,439
Speaker 1: get in college is like you're part of that school

1462
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 1: and basketball programs family. And here's the perfect example if

1463
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:46,639
Speaker 1: you wanted to get into coaching, I'm guessing coach Williams

1464
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 1: Carolina family. There's there's you could find NBA or college.

1465
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 1: Somebody would find a chair for you. Correct a very

1466
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 1: very small chair, grinder chair, but at least the chair, guys.

1467
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:01,920
Speaker 1: Job offers I got was like thirty grand as a

1468
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:04,720
Speaker 1: video coordinator in X Y Z, right, But but like

1469
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:07,040
Speaker 1: but like look c b CB started there and look

1470
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:08,880
Speaker 1: where he is now, and look at it like that's

1471
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 1: I mean, like I understand the coach Jared had I

1472
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 1: mean that's that's I mean, look, Coach Williams started as

1473
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 1: a manager and now he's you know, he's arguably the

1474
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:20,920
Speaker 1: most successful coach you know, in the history of the sport.

1475
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 1: So um okay. The other part is like like you said,

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01:14:25,439 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 1: like Philip Manchew's can make a call for you because

1477
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 1: he's a Kansas guy. And I don't know if enough

1478
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:33,519
Speaker 1: people understand like this is really the way it works.

1479
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 1: Is what you need college force? When should I needed?

1480
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 1: Like before Boone Pickens died and I didn't have I

1481
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:41,720
Speaker 1: didn't I knew him. I didn't. We weren't like best

1482
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 1: friends or whatever. But if I really legitimately needed a job,

1483
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:46,640
Speaker 1: I would have called Boone and said, hey, can you

1484
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 1: help me out? And he would have said, tell me

1485
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 1: who to call and I'll figure it out. Right. That's

1486
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 1: that is There is a value to that. And I

1487
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:55,519
Speaker 1: talked about this all the time too. We can talk

1488
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 1: about you know, a million different things with the name

1489
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 1: image like the stuff, but network that I've tapped into

1490
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 1: and worked on a daily basis with KU has changed

1491
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 1: my life. So think about KU, which is an amazing institution.

1492
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:09,679
Speaker 1: It's a great place to go to school and people

1493
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:11,320
Speaker 1: to work with. I think if you went to like

1494
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 1: Stanford or I Presage School, like the value and those

1495
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 1: relationships with all those people in Silicon Valley about different things.

1496
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 1: That is dismissed so much and it's ridiculous and so

1497
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 1: really quick. So, like I, my full time job was

1498
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:26,719
Speaker 1: finding a job. So I reached out to and Shoots

1499
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:28,479
Speaker 1: as secretary, and he got to him and I said,

1500
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:31,719
Speaker 1: here's my resume, and and I along with that resume

1501
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 1: was data Anderson who was the president and chairman of

1502
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 1: the board of the Main Switch Corporation, which is a

1503
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:41,760
Speaker 1: massive uh strip mall company that he was chairman of

1504
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 1: board on who is a huge donor for KU, who

1505
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:46,799
Speaker 1: helped me with the resume, helped me prepare for interviews,

1506
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 1: all those different things, you know, guiding me along, who

1507
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:52,679
Speaker 1: was amazing in my you know, transition out of basketball

1508
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 1: into the professional world. You know, he said, here's you

1509
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 1: got a call to get to fill up, and so

1510
01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:58,559
Speaker 1: I got to fill up. So still literally said I'll

1511
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 1: float your resume. And that's all was is. This is

1512
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 1: coming down from the man and actually stud Heathcote, who

1513
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:08,120
Speaker 1: you might know I was a reebok eye. You see

1514
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 1: that guy, he's now Global Partnership has picked it up

1515
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 1: and got me an interview, and he was gonna find

1516
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 1: out a way to get me in there, you know.

1517
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:17,320
Speaker 1: And that's all because of the A and A E G.

1518
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 1: It really is. So that's what people need to think about.

1519
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 1: So and we can talk about how valuable colleges you know,

1520
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:27,720
Speaker 1: down later. But but so I got so I was

1521
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:29,680
Speaker 1: going to take a job there. And I grew up

1522
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 1: with the Boone family, Aaron and Matt. Matt's my best friend,

1523
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:35,880
Speaker 1: my son's godfather, and so uh, Aaron's best friend is

1524
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 1: his partners A partner at a firm called Parker Visors

1525
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 1: in Beverly Hills, Ryan Straungswag, and so they were like, hey,

1526
01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 1: before you take the job, you shoul gonna meet these

1527
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 1: guys in Beverly Hills. They do insurance for athletes. And

1528
01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, well, I had a policy when

1529
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 1: I played at Kansas. I know how this works as

1530
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 1: a consumer. Let's figure this out. So we had a

1531
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 1: two hour meeting and they kind of hired you on

1532
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:55,800
Speaker 1: the spot into this gal. So that was in two

1533
01:16:57,920 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 1: or September twelve is when I joined this firm. And

1534
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 1: so what I what was great for me was I

1535
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:05,160
Speaker 1: was digging job coach for jobs for three years and

1536
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 1: immediately turned my hat and said, listening to coach, I'm

1537
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 1: not gonna bug you about you know, um, you know,

1538
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:12,280
Speaker 1: getting a job. Here's what I do. Now, here's I

1539
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:14,240
Speaker 1: can help you. And every coach came back and said,

1540
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 1: oh my god, I don't understand this stuff. I know you,

1541
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 1: I trust you like you're our guy. And so I

1542
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 1: was immediately plugged into you know, Carolina, Kansas, Well, Kansas

1543
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 1: took some time obviously, um but which is a side story,

1544
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:31,679
Speaker 1: but uh, it was immediately I was like, here's your opportunity,

1545
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:34,120
Speaker 1: like you know whatever, coaches recruiting me twenty years from ago,

1546
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 1: we're now saying hey, I got this guy, what did

1547
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 1: you qualify for? What should we do here? And my

1548
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:40,360
Speaker 1: business model was simple and that I called coaches and

1549
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:43,000
Speaker 1: I called compliance officers because I remember when coach, when

1550
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 1: I was a KU I had coached, My dad said,

1551
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:47,880
Speaker 1: er kia policy, I want to talk to coach. Coach, Yeah,

1552
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 1: go to talk to Richard Conson down the home. Compliance

1553
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:52,479
Speaker 1: was taken from there, so I knew all I'm gonna

1554
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:55,080
Speaker 1: do is call compliance directors and developed willerships with them

1555
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 1: and so um so as soon as so. Now fast

1556
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:00,160
Speaker 1: forward eight years later on my own firm now out

1557
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:03,760
Speaker 1: and basically what happens is I monitor all the draft

1558
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:07,000
Speaker 1: boards for college football, baseball, basketball, hockey, and as soon

1559
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 1: as guys have rolling school, I'm reaching out to the

1560
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 1: school saying, hey, here's the student app that just enrolled,

1561
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 1: here's what the qualified sports, what we can do for him,

1562
01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 1: and then we go from there. If they utilize my services, great,

1563
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:19,960
Speaker 1: If not, you know, it's fine, too. But what really

1564
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 1: took off in my career, which was crazy, was when

1565
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 1: I was like I had to get a loan and

1566
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:25,479
Speaker 1: pay off a loan once it turned pro to pay

1567
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 1: for the insurance. Well, my second year in doing the

1568
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 1: in the business, the n c A changed the rules

1569
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:34,840
Speaker 1: with the Student Assistance Fund, allowing them to have the

1570
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:37,640
Speaker 1: schools have full autonomy on the s a F. So

1571
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:42,560
Speaker 1: saf's designed for emergency revisit bills, you know, diapers and

1572
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:45,760
Speaker 1: a player has has a child, you know, flights home

1573
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:48,639
Speaker 1: for funeral suits, if you travel, things like that. Well,

1574
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:50,840
Speaker 1: once they came full autonomy, Texas A and M said,

1575
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 1: well we got a big offensive alignment and head policy.

1576
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:56,720
Speaker 1: We're gonna spend fifty grand on his his policy and

1577
01:18:56,840 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 1: so it's a copycat everything. And so it kind of

1578
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:03,760
Speaker 1: took off like wildfire, where two years I was helping

1579
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 1: these kids get loans to buy the insurance. Now was hey,

1580
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna do this and we're gonna pay for it.

1581
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 1: And so it really took off from there. The schools

1582
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:14,800
Speaker 1: schools can pay for these policies now correct correct yes,

1583
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:16,200
Speaker 1: and they can pay for it out of what's called

1584
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 1: the Student Systems Fund based on U, cost of attendance,

1585
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:21,280
Speaker 1: costs of living, a couple of factors. Each school gets

1586
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:23,640
Speaker 1: to check from the n c a A for approximately

1587
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:25,720
Speaker 1: two hifty three hundred thousand dollars that they can use

1588
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 1: for whatever they want. Some schools use the whole thing

1589
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 1: for insurance. Some schools used don't use it. But I'm

1590
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:33,600
Speaker 1: you know, at a sixty schools I work with, I

1591
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 1: would say about use it is a portion of it

1592
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:40,240
Speaker 1: for insurance and so and I'll talk about how great

1593
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:41,800
Speaker 1: college is because of what it can do for you

1594
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:43,840
Speaker 1: later in life. I want this. I have a client

1595
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 1: on a team in the big private school in the

1596
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:48,960
Speaker 1: big Tent. So he's getting a scholarship. There's only one

1597
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 1: private school in the big ten. I hate to be well,

1598
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 1: actually no, it's not private now that I think about it. So,

1599
01:19:57,160 --> 01:19:59,439
Speaker 1: but it costs about forty five thousand dollars. You're gonna

1600
01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:02,520
Speaker 1: go there, Okay. So he's got a forty five scholarship

1601
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 1: between pale, grant, grant made all these different things. You

1602
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 1: get to check for five hundred dollars, which you can

1603
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:10,360
Speaker 1: use it as a discretion for whatever he wants. And

1604
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:13,800
Speaker 1: he's got a two million dollar policies of his career end. Um,

1605
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 1: he collects two million dollars to start in your life with.

1606
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 1: That's a pretty good life, if you ask me. I mean,

1607
01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 1: I think that's a that's better than playing in the

1608
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 1: D League. That's better than you know, I don't know

1609
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:27,519
Speaker 1: how good it is a life of it's being on

1610
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:30,320
Speaker 1: a practice squad in the NFL or the miners in

1611
01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:33,400
Speaker 1: NHL or the miners in Major League Baseball. That's pretty

1612
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 1: amazing to have for three or four years while you're

1613
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 1: on campus, and then to go to the next level,

1614
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:40,160
Speaker 1: which kind of goes back to another composition. I'm sure

1615
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:42,760
Speaker 1: we'll get too. So so yeah, so that's what I do.

1616
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:44,640
Speaker 1: I work with you know, college athletes all over the

1617
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 1: country once they turned pro. I work in conjunction with

1618
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:50,519
Speaker 1: their financial advisor or agent. If I'm really busy with

1619
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:53,719
Speaker 1: it right now, because guys are in NBA training camp

1620
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:56,960
Speaker 1: and um, they may have you know, a hundred and

1621
01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:59,280
Speaker 1: fifty million on the table, but they want won seventy

1622
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 1: six or whatever they want over four or five years.

1623
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 1: So we'll bind them in a million dollar, fifty million

1624
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 1: dollar policy whatever they need uh to cover their firtual

1625
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:10,680
Speaker 1: future earnings until they sign. Once they signed. Obviously the

1626
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:14,479
Speaker 1: insurance has done its job, and then I follow up

1627
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:16,599
Speaker 1: to sell them life insurance for a state planning purposes.

1628
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 1: So um, yeah, so that's all I do. I just

1629
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:22,360
Speaker 1: do insurance. I don't do investments or tax prep or

1630
01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:25,040
Speaker 1: anything like that. I just do insurance, which allows me

1631
01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:28,599
Speaker 1: to work with college and professional athletes and so doing

1632
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:31,040
Speaker 1: many years and it's um, I love it and I'll

1633
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:35,599
Speaker 1: do it forever. So that's what I'm doing now. Okay, Uh, last, last,

1634
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 1: I get to two quick ones. One. Has anybody actually

1635
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 1: ever executed one of these policies you being collected on? One? Yeah,

1636
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 1: I've had several claims plaid. I had a I've had

1637
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:50,439
Speaker 1: a college football loss of value claim paid. I've had

1638
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:54,720
Speaker 1: an NBA basketball player loss of value claim paid, and

1639
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:59,320
Speaker 1: I've had a college football PTV claim paid. I don't

1640
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:01,960
Speaker 1: name names, don't I'm not that guy that brokers out

1641
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:04,200
Speaker 1: there that'll tweet allow that stuff. I keep it confidential.

1642
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:07,719
Speaker 1: But so there's three products you get. There's permanently disability,

1643
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:09,680
Speaker 1: which is career and in coverage whether you know you

1644
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 1: can't play your sport over again, you collect on PtD

1645
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 1: due to an injury or illness right, there's loss of value.

1646
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:19,120
Speaker 1: We assess your your your draft spot, and we assess, okay,

1647
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 1: you're projected tent in the draft. We're gonna set a

1648
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 1: threshold at the end of the first round. If you

1649
01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:25,880
Speaker 1: get hurt or have an injury an illness, you fall

1650
01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:27,880
Speaker 1: out of the first round, you'll start collecting each pick

1651
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 1: you fall. That's loss of value in the nutshell. And

1652
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:32,760
Speaker 1: then there's a new product called critical injury, which is

1653
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:35,760
Speaker 1: two categories of injury. So if you category one being

1654
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:37,640
Speaker 1: a major injury such as a torn a c l

1655
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:40,880
Speaker 1: achilles uh, you know, rotator cup, Tommy John. If you're

1656
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 1: a picture um loss of cider cancer, you collect two

1657
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 1: or fifty thousand dollars. In the category too, would be

1658
01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 1: a major muscle group tear so torn growing by sept

1659
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 1: tries to hamstring quads, your quadratp. You get a hunt

1660
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:55,720
Speaker 1: of that not benefits. So those are uh. You start

1661
01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 1: with the PtD and you add loss of value or

1662
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:00,600
Speaker 1: critical injury. As a writer, law of eyes kind of

1663
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:02,519
Speaker 1: going away. There's been a ton of claims paid on it,

1664
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:04,280
Speaker 1: so they're only doing it for the top top guys,

1665
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:07,080
Speaker 1: but most guys that they're a solid player are going

1666
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:09,880
Speaker 1: to qualify for the critical injury. Um the writer that

1667
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:12,280
Speaker 1: they can add to the p TWD policy. Um okay.

1668
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 1: And then and here's the last thing I'll get. I'll

1669
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:16,720
Speaker 1: kind of give you the floor. But I mean, like, look,

1670
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 1: people know that I I value the college system for

1671
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:22,559
Speaker 1: among the things that we've said. But but the name

1672
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:25,639
Speaker 1: and likeness fight, which to me, it's gonna be pay

1673
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:28,680
Speaker 1: for play, right, Like, guys don't really have and and

1674
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 1: and in fairness, I I when I tweet out that

1675
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:34,120
Speaker 1: guys don't have a value, they don't have a huge value.

1676
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:36,160
Speaker 1: But what you do is you pull together all your values.

1677
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:39,400
Speaker 1: And that's how the coaches and the athletice departments had

1678
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:43,080
Speaker 1: these local sponsorship deals, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. I feel like

1679
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 1: people were we're operating on old news in terms of

1680
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 1: like you pointed out kid having twenty seven thousand dollars

1681
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:53,000
Speaker 1: to spended his discretion tax free, you know, for a

1682
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:57,080
Speaker 1: year to play in college. Like I don't like we've

1683
01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 1: gotten this point to which like, look, we're good enough,

1684
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 1: is in fact enough And part of being in colleges

1685
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:05,320
Speaker 1: you've got to manage whatever finances you have. You have

1686
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:08,600
Speaker 1: to learn and you're never gonna starve because now you

1687
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:11,080
Speaker 1: have unlimited meals and things like that. What's your take

1688
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 1: on the name and likeness, Well, it's I mean, obviously

1689
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 1: governors are signing it left and right, so it's gonna

1690
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:19,479
Speaker 1: have to be something that's gonna be addressed before three.

1691
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:23,280
Speaker 1: But um, you know, personally, like I think the perfect

1692
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:25,960
Speaker 1: example is, like, you know, Zion Wing was a good example.

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01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:30,120
Speaker 1: So hoo this it was like last June or something

1694
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 1: like last may or June. I had a couple uh

1695
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:39,240
Speaker 1: apparel companies reach out for quotes um for Zion because

1696
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:43,200
Speaker 1: Zion had an offer from an apparel company for about

1697
01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:45,360
Speaker 1: forty million dollars on the table, right, So they're gonna

1698
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:49,000
Speaker 1: say take this money and uh just work were out

1699
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 1: with the Cones and you go to the draft and

1700
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:53,639
Speaker 1: then you know, we'll see what what what happens from there.

1701
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:55,960
Speaker 1: So he's gonna get forty million dollars signed an apparel company.

1702
01:24:56,240 --> 01:24:57,920
Speaker 1: And so he wanted to buy Hi an assurance policy.

1703
01:24:57,960 --> 01:25:00,680
Speaker 1: And so I remember talking to on Gavanni, who I

1704
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:03,000
Speaker 1: talked to a lot about you know, players and different things,

1705
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:05,080
Speaker 1: and he and that we were like, well, if he

1706
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:07,840
Speaker 1: doesn't play this year, he's not gonna prove himself. John

1707
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:09,479
Speaker 1: was kind of like, you know, I don't want to

1708
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:11,000
Speaker 1: quote John or speak for him, but he was like, well,

1709
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 1: if he does that, he's gonna want you know, he'll

1710
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:15,479
Speaker 1: probably fall to like the twelve to twenty range because

1711
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:16,680
Speaker 1: we don't know who he is. I mean, he can

1712
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:19,439
Speaker 1: he can dunk on these small kids in South Carolina,

1713
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:22,240
Speaker 1: but like, can he play? You know? And so, so

1714
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:24,599
Speaker 1: you got forty million dollars from the Parel company, you're

1715
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 1: probably a twelve to twenty pick. Well, he made the

1716
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:29,880
Speaker 1: right decision and went to college to play for Duke,

1717
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 1: which is probably one of the best three platforms in

1718
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:35,920
Speaker 1: college to be on. So I had a great year,

1719
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 1: Player of the Year, Goes has a good run in

1720
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:40,160
Speaker 1: the in the in the tournament, and then what's he do.

1721
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:43,559
Speaker 1: He signs a near hundred million dollar deal with Jordan Brand.

1722
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:45,600
Speaker 1: He's the number one pick in the draft signing for

1723
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:49,680
Speaker 1: it's gonna be forty million over four years. And to

1724
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 1: look at it, he tripled his market value by going

1725
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:55,439
Speaker 1: to college and having one year there and he and

1726
01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:59,600
Speaker 1: he's the he's the one percent where the rest of

1727
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:02,439
Speaker 1: the kid have don't don't even have those offers. You

1728
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:04,800
Speaker 1: know what I means like correct and which so I

1729
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:07,400
Speaker 1: feel like you you you run the risk of destroying

1730
01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:09,800
Speaker 1: the entire system for a guy like Zion, and a

1731
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:13,040
Speaker 1: guy like Zion ends up benefiting from every moment that

1732
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:16,200
Speaker 1: he plays in college. Perfect. And I'm gonna add to

1733
01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:17,640
Speaker 1: this one more thing too. And you know this as

1734
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:21,080
Speaker 1: a former student athlete. There's a sports we called non

1735
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:24,080
Speaker 1: revenues track and field. You know, all these different sports

1736
01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:27,000
Speaker 1: that you know, wrestling would have you steams when they wrestling,

1737
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:30,680
Speaker 1: but but they don't, you know, generate any income. All

1738
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:33,559
Speaker 1: those sports are going to go away if they completely

1739
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:35,920
Speaker 1: change the model and it's a full pay for play system.

1740
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:39,040
Speaker 1: And that really bothers me because I had so many

1741
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:41,559
Speaker 1: friends in college and I know about stories of people

1742
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 1: in horrible economic backgrounds and systems where they have their

1743
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:48,720
Speaker 1: only chance to get out of what situation they're in

1744
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:51,479
Speaker 1: is to get a scholarship playing a sport, to go

1745
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:53,640
Speaker 1: to a school to get a degree, to better their

1746
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:56,759
Speaker 1: life and move on into the workforce. And that vehicle

1747
01:26:56,920 --> 01:26:59,800
Speaker 1: is playing a non revenue sport at whatever school that

1748
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 1: is gonna go away. And that's what really makes me sad.

1749
01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 1: Because just there's so many there's so many kids out

1750
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:08,639
Speaker 1: there that I don't care what sport it it's golf

1751
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:11,880
Speaker 1: or tracking or whatever, that those opportunities are gonna be

1752
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 1: gone because all the money's gonna be going too. The

1753
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:17,760
Speaker 1: players that people say, by rights earn it because people

1754
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 1: are turning on the TV to see them, but the

1755
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:22,320
Speaker 1: turn of TV see them because they're playing at Duke

1756
01:27:22,439 --> 01:27:24,840
Speaker 1: or Kansas, U c l A or Arizona or whatever.

1757
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:28,160
Speaker 1: Nobody watches daily games like I played the dealing. It's

1758
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:31,479
Speaker 1: a waist line of broken dreams the better players, but

1759
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:35,360
Speaker 1: it's worst basketball. And it's like, you know, I think

1760
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:37,960
Speaker 1: there needs to be some kind of common ground where

1761
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:40,599
Speaker 1: they are compensated something. We've got to figure that out.

1762
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:44,240
Speaker 1: But it can't just be you can market yourself, because

1763
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:46,800
Speaker 1: then all the big schools are gonna have you know,

1764
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a million dollars from Longo to to

1765
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:51,800
Speaker 1: play basketball at U c l A. And it's just

1766
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:55,200
Speaker 1: that's just what's gonna happen, and so you can't regulate it.

1767
01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:58,439
Speaker 1: So they've got to just find out something that all

1768
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:04,400
Speaker 1: parties can coexist. And with this beautiful thing of college basketball.

1769
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:09,000
Speaker 1: College athletics isn't just wiped away or changed or or

1770
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:15,040
Speaker 1: you know, unrecognizable after That's just my humble opinion. Hey man,

1771
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:18,000
Speaker 1: I'm really happy that all the stuff that you went

1772
01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 1: through as a player as a human being, now your

1773
01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:24,200
Speaker 1: dad a husband and you're making in life and glad

1774
01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:26,720
Speaker 1: to call your friend. I appreciate you join us. We

1775
01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:28,280
Speaker 1: gotta do this again. We gotta we gotta do the

1776
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 1: room at some point, we have to do the room discussion.

1777
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:33,840
Speaker 1: We'll do some work, some hips discussion as well, but

1778
01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:37,639
Speaker 1: in the with time as the as the essence. Thanks

1779
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 1: for joining us, of course, appreciate it, Dog, Thank you.

1780
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:43,639
Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug

1781
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:47,720
Speaker 1: god Leap Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific. Well,

1782
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:50,000
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed that great conversation. We've been long

1783
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:53,439
Speaker 1: time kind of friends, uh no friends, long time friends,

1784
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:55,519
Speaker 1: and we live close to each other. We'll do it again.

1785
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:58,080
Speaker 1: Able to talk some ball after a big Kansas game

1786
01:28:58,160 --> 01:29:00,560
Speaker 1: or something like that. Um. You can listen to The

1787
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1788
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1789
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1790
01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:12,439
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1791
01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:15,320
Speaker 1: Don't forget to download, subscribe rate tell a friend tweeted

1792
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Speaker 1: out whatever. Next week, I think what we'll do is

1793
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:21,360
Speaker 1: we'll probably have a special guest in preview the NBA

1794
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:23,360
Speaker 1: because the season gets on away on Thursday, but we'll

1795
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:25,960
Speaker 1: preview kind of the whole league. Um some trends, some

1796
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:28,880
Speaker 1: things to look at, and so on. So far. In

1797
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:32,000
Speaker 1: the meantime, thanks for listening. I'm Doug Gollip. This is

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