1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: So spoiler alert for today's classic episode. We learned a 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: lot in the years since we first recorded this, and 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: some of the things that we thought were crazy a 4 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 1: few years back are what would you say, guys, not 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: not not so crazy. That's exactly what I I would say, 6 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: for sure. Hey, have you ever heard of the high 7 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: frequency Active auroral Research program? Uh? This is around the 8 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: time when Ben and and Nolan and I were learning 9 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: about it. So, oh yeah, enjoy this one from UFOs 10 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: two Ghosts and Government cover Ups. History is railed with 11 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the 12 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to now. Greetings listeners. My 13 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: name is Matt and I'm Ben, and this is stuff 14 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. Nice. Nice. I like 15 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: how it's a little bit different every time with the 16 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: music as well. Uh, then it's it's different every time, 17 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: and it's never a disaster. I saw something that I 18 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: think is going to be a disaster recently on television 19 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: mat Yes, now America's got talent. Uh it was close. 20 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: It was you know, I don't have cable, right, I 21 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: do have Netflix, and uh I will sometimes watch things 22 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: online on Hulu. So I was watching this thing on Hulu, 23 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: and Hulu has a bunch of commercials, right, sure, commercials 24 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: for days. We had this one commercial that freaked me 25 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 1: out a little man. It was It was a McDonald's commercial. 26 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: And this McDonald's commercial, they say, oh, you love coca cola. Well, 27 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: guess what, all coca cola is going to be one dollar, 28 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: whether it's a small, a medium, or a large, just 29 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: one dollar. Now, I think of that more as a 30 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: a perhaps a health disaster for some people, because why 31 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: would you pay a dollar for the small one? Yeah? 32 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: Is it? Uh is? Does the same thing go with 33 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: the water? I don't know. Oh God, I guess no 34 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 1: one really orders supersized water. I do if i'm if 35 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: I've got rehearsal for band, I go when I get 36 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: the largest bottle of water I can possibly get, and 37 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: then I use it for the next couple of weeks 38 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: until I feel the plastic has been used enough starts 39 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: to taste of plastic. Um. Well, the disasters aside, and 40 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:35,959 Speaker 1: do let us know what you think about this weird 41 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: coca cola madness. Um, those sorts of disasters aside. Rather, 42 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: you and I are here to ask a question that 43 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: we have talked about in our video series, uh for years, 44 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: literally in many different ways. Right, Yes, can humans, in 45 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: some way, shape or form create natural disasters, or at 46 00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: least disasters that would normally be naturally occurring. Okay, so 47 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: natural disasters, then what what kind of stuff would that be? 48 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: What would be a natural disaster? You're looking at everything 49 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: from hurricanes to earthquakes. Those are the two probably main occurrences. 50 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: There are also tornadoes, tsunamis. Right, it's just anything you 51 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: can think of that would be a natural disaster. Is 52 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: there a way that a human could harness the power 53 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: to make one of those volcanic eruption right? Yes, we 54 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: see that in science fiction or thriller films sometimes where 55 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: there's some super villain who is setting out to, you know, 56 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: make all of the world's volcanoes erupt at once or something. 57 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: That's also where they keep their layers. So I'm a 58 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: little confused about why they would want the things that 59 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: are right next to their layer to explode. I don't 60 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: have to find a good caldera or really the moon 61 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: base is the way to go. But we're differentiating here 62 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: between things that would be manmade disasters. Manmade disasters would 63 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: be things like a financial crash, you know, like the 64 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: Great Depression. Um a in many ways a man made disaster. Now, 65 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: of course, I know a lot of people can write 66 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: in and say the drought created the dust bowl. Um. 67 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 1: Also financial handling by people in urban sit in urban 68 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: environments and financial centers of the time. Uh, their their 69 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: behavior didn't help. I think it accelerated it. So we 70 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: we do know that human beings have have it well 71 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: within our collective grasp to make disasters for ourselves. UM. 72 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: War War creates a type of disaster. Yeah, war, that's 73 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 1: that's a great example. That's one of the best examples. UM. 74 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: Diseases that spread via humans that could be a disaster. Uh. 75 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: There there there are numerous things. UM. Pollution sites can 76 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: be disaster is um. History class our our buddies over 77 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,239 Speaker 1: at Stuff you miss and history class have a couple 78 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: of great podcasts about very strange disasters that occurred, uh, 79 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: such as molasses flood or a flood of I think 80 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 1: it was gin somewhere in London. It sounds familiar, man, 81 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: I need to catch up on that show. Human beings, 82 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: let's just put out human beings have a propensity for 83 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: making trouble and getting into hi jinks. But aside from 84 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: these things, the question is if humans could create natural 85 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: disasters and I like these said in some way, then 86 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: how would these things be created? Like? How? How? What? 87 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 1: What's something that people bring up when they talk about 88 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 1: this and the tools that could be possibly used to 89 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 1: make these things? Well, one of the most popular ones 90 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: is the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program or HARP. 91 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: You've seen it before, You've seen it on YouTube all 92 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: over the place. We've covered it many times. We just 93 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 1: did another video on it. It's this research station in 94 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: Alaska and Cocona, Alaska. I believe well that this is 95 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: one of the main HARP stations. There are numerous stations 96 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 1: throughout the world, the same research Crown Jewel that the 97 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: Air Force zones. Yes, and I believe it was the 98 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: original UH station, the HARP station. I'm not sure if 99 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: that's correct that we know about. Yes, and it is 100 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: unclassified right yet, and it's run by the Air Force, 101 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: I believe, I can't remember. I think the Navy had 102 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: a hand in it at one point in partnership with 103 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: a couple of other organizations. And currently it may be 104 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 1: sold to the University of Alaska if they're willing to 105 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: come up with the scratch something like five million dollars 106 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: just to run the thing for a year, and that's 107 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: just to make it work. And they're what the what 108 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: HARP does is it shoots radio beams into the ion sphere, 109 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: which is a way out of the way place in 110 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: the atmosphere that a lot of human beings really don't 111 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: have any call to ever reach unless we're going through 112 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: it on the way to space. Yeah. And when you 113 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: when you think about the ionosphere, and correct me if 114 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: I'm wrong here, Ben, when you see if you've ever 115 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: seen the northern or southern lights, that's the that's the 116 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: that's activity that's occurring inside the ionosphere when these charged 117 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: particles are being activated essentially by the sun. Right, and 118 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: HARP managed to the HARP and Cocona, Alaska managed to 119 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: create the first recorded artificial aurora borealis, which was which 120 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: was really neat. I do have to say, though, there's 121 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: a little bone of contention I have with some of 122 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: our YouTube listeners said, you know there are HARP stations everywhere. 123 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: That's not correct. There are I honest, spheric research stations everywhere. 124 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: They are not HARP. That's like saying, you know that 125 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: that's kind of like saying, there's a Toyota Corolla in Gakona, Alaska, 126 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: and there are cars in other places, So there are 127 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: Toyota Corollas across the world. I see what you're saying. 128 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: At one point before we continue here, now, HARP itself 129 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: closed down, but it's not unusual for it to close down. 130 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: We have a lot of this stuff in our video 131 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: on HARP, our latest video. One of my favorite titles, Uh, 132 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: what what the hell is going on at HARP? Or 133 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 1: what the hell are they doing at HARP or something 134 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: like that, and um in there we talk about the 135 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: HARP station. There are other iones spheric research facilities in 136 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: the world across the world, but they are not the 137 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: HARP that we're harping on. I know, I know. Well there, okay, 138 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: so this is the I don't know what else I 139 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: can say about this. Uh, it's just it's fascinating to 140 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: think it kind of hearkens back to the ideas of 141 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: Tesla at least that's what what that's what rings in 142 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: my head when I think about HARP and testing the 143 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: ionosphere and what can you do with it? Although it 144 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with well, at least to my 145 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: knowledge has nothing to do with somehow connecting electrically to 146 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: the eyeonosphere the way Tesla wanted to. Man, we're gonna 147 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: have to republish that Tesla video soonon, aren't we. Yeah. Yeah, 148 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: I'd like to do a whole new video on Tesla 149 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: UM because there's a lot of interest in it. And 150 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,199 Speaker 1: you know, that was one of the situations where we 151 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: found there really was perhaps some stuff they don't want 152 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: you to know. And before we move on from the 153 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: subject of heart well, we should point out that Matt, 154 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: as you said, it's not it's not a top secret 155 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: facility like Room Lake, you know, or like the UM 156 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: whatever is happening on Diego Garcia, right. This is this 157 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: is a place where while it was open, scientists would 158 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: be glad to give you knowledge. I'm sure there were 159 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: some things that were classified, but they would they would 160 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: be glad to give you a look at what they 161 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: were doing, talk to you about it if they had time. 162 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: Uh you, I don't know if you could just go 163 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: up there and get a tour. But it had a 164 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: chain leak fence around it. It's not a high value 165 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: target for a lot of people. The research that they 166 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: were doing. If we understand it correctly is to see 167 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: how changes in the ionosphere can affect communication. That's one 168 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: of the big things. So this is big because it 169 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: goes into stuff like how uh an I CBM and 170 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: intercal intercontinental ballistic missile will be able to guide itself 171 00:10:55,120 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: or stay guided right, uh, how radio communications could be 172 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: altered or even satellite and for it to affect the weather. 173 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: What what we were finding is that it would have 174 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: to be just from the kind of equipment to have, 175 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: it would have to be on a much more massive scale. Yes, 176 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 1: And it seems like it seems like at least the 177 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: Heart facility there in Gakona was not large enough to 178 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: really uh you know, really shake the foundations of the 179 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:30,959 Speaker 1: earth and change the weather. But we have other ways 180 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: of changing the weather and they're very old. They go 181 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: back to like World War One and stuff. Right, So 182 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: what's the what's the theoretical side? If if everything we 183 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: do know about Heart that's publicly available is smoke and mirrors, 184 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: smoke on the water right temple at the oldie song, 185 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: then what what are the theories about Heart? So there 186 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: are several One of the main ones that you hear 187 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: a lot is that it can somehow shoot an energy beam, 188 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: a radio energy beam into the eyeonist or and then 189 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: somehow change the direction or by angling that beam in 190 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: a certain way two have it kind of arc around 191 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: the Earth and then come back down in a certain spot. 192 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: And then in that spot the ion sphere because it 193 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: has a connection with plate earth movements, with tectonic movements. 194 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 1: Um well, at least the tectonic movements seemed to affect 195 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: the iono sphere, which does not necessarily mean the ion 196 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: sphere affects the tectonic movements. However, in this theory, because 197 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: of they've kind of aimed the ion sphere and changed 198 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 1: it a little bit and sent it downwards into the Earth, 199 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: it would create an earthquake in that position, right, and 200 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: we know that as we said in our in our 201 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: videos that our our buddies moch Mood Oddmanijad and Ugo 202 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: Chavez did say that that's sarcastically both um both in 203 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: two thousand and ten alleged that harp direct Lee was 204 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: involved with UH what was involved with creating natural disasters? 205 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: I think Adminisjad as we say in our video, UH 206 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: blamed the Pakistan floods on it, and Chavez blamed the 207 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: Haitian earthquake, and um, well, and you made a great 208 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: point then that that one facility perhaps doesn't have the 209 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: power to do something to that effect. Is it possible 210 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: that there's a massive facility somewhere else or what if 211 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: a lot of these ionospheric testing facilities are working together? 212 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 1: Ben Like, honestly, what if? What if there are several 213 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 1: ionospheric testing facilities. Say they're a couple in Europe, somewhere, 214 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: there are a couple in Asia, couple in the US. 215 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: They all work together. Whoa man? Not bad? Not bad yet? 216 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 1: A networked disaster club, right, highly improbable, but it would 217 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: be fascinating possible. I don't know you and I haven't 218 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: been everywhere. We'd have to go check it all out first. 219 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: One thing that we do know that sounds crazy but 220 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: is completely true, and we've covered this before as well, 221 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 1: is whether modification and this can relate to natural disasters. 222 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: But walk with us here for a second, so you 223 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: can shoot It turns out you can shoot silver I 224 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: had died into the sky. And although there are varying 225 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: degrees of success, as a lot of healthy skepticism about this, uh, 226 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: it seems that it has the potential to create rain clouds. Well, yes, 227 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: but you certainly need the moisture in the air already 228 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: in order to make it happen. And it's something like 229 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: forty I think this success rate was less yeah, yeah, 230 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: less more than five. H they've been they, being human 231 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:58,479 Speaker 1: beings th history, have tried to work with this existing 232 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: technology and find different ways to modify the weather. However, 233 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: we know that when experiments began with it in the 234 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: United Kingdom, UH, there were reports that have triggered flooding. 235 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: We know that the largest weather modification network in the world, 236 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: at least the one that the public knows about, is 237 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: in China. And uh there are people who have part 238 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: time jobs where they just shoot uh silver iodied into 239 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: the clouds and hope that this could, hope that this 240 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: could somehow, you know, uh, provide favorable rain conditions for 241 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: their local area. However, we know that when when water 242 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: gathers in one place, it comes from somewhere right, So 243 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: it's completely possible. Now weather modification passed a certain threshold 244 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: will create a situation in which we will see, uh 245 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: an increase in things like droughts or maybe an increase 246 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: in frequency of flooding. Or things like that, because we're 247 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: messing with the system. We don't understand. I know how 248 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: b movie that sounds, but it's true, which brings us 249 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: to the other point. Climate change, man, climate change, climate change, 250 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: global warming. It used to be called and somebody won 251 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: the buzzword war. Somebody bernased it into a climate change 252 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: instead of global warming. Yeah, because it was so cold, 253 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: less winner man, who I use bernas as a verb? Now? 254 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: Oh you got bern Yeah? All think it sounds it 255 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: sounds like a sauce. So this is a massive topic. 256 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: This is a topic that I'm sure you, whoever you 257 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: are listening to this you have some very strong opinions 258 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: about climate change. And it's tough for us because, you know, 259 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: Ben and I want to learn the truth as or 260 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: at least as close to the truth as we can 261 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: possibly learn. That's what this show is about, and we 262 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: want to be able to tell it to you. The 263 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: problem is when you've got these extremely strong opinions, no 264 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: matter what you and I say, or what even the 265 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: science says, some people's minds will never be changed. Well, 266 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: let's present the gist. Okay, here's the gist. Uh. We've 267 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: got one side which says that there's one side that 268 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 1: says that human intervention is making a measurable impact in 269 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: the world. Of the primary arguments for a lot of 270 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: climate change stuff concern the effects of the human population 271 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: on the atmosphere. Right, so c O two emissions, Uh 272 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: get caught up in this. But you also hear stuff 273 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:39,439 Speaker 1: about damage to the ozone layer. Um, the amount of 274 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: pollution minted by factories and by motor vehicles, factory farming. Right, 275 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, and and livestock, which are uh. 276 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: On our show, one of our other show's car stuff, 277 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: we have a great episode about whether whether cows or 278 00:17:55,760 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: cars are more responsible for pollution. Yeah, it's a really 279 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: weird thing to walk through, but I recommend if someone's 280 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: interest in that. So, what what we have found is, UM. 281 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 1: We have found is that for a long time, the 282 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: people tied up in the research on this at invested 283 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: interest in some cases an agenda. There are cases where 284 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: evidence that didn't fit an official narrative was repressed. UM. 285 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: And in most of the cases that I've heard, this 286 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: was evidence where scientists would say, well, we have found 287 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: this rise in temperature over this time. It correlates to 288 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: factors X, Y, and Z. Therefore we think that human 289 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: beings are having an effect. And then the people who 290 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: were funding the study you didn't want to hear that, 291 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: so they said, Okay, you know, go do the math again. Yeah, 292 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 1: just go do the math again and if you want 293 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: to keep your job. But then on the other side 294 00:18:53,880 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: we have people who say that there is a constant, traded, 295 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: active conspiracy to propagate this idea of enormous, cataclysmic environmental change, 296 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: and that this, uh, this is happening because there is 297 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,959 Speaker 1: um this is happening because it's way to scare people 298 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: into giving up their means of production, which would make 299 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: it easier. A lot of these ideas are tied up 300 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 1: into the concept of a one world government, new world 301 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: order sort of thing. The question then becomes one of scale. 302 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: So the argument here against climate change is often, you know, 303 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: human beings cannot do enough. We're not big enough really 304 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 1: to affect the great machine that is the world. Um, 305 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: you know, just like harp is not big enough really 306 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: to affect the great machine is the ionosphere. And and 307 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: it's strange because there can be there can be some 308 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: contradictory reasoning there. There it can be people who don't 309 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: believe the climate change is real, but do believe that 310 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: harp controls the weather, and so it's an interesting cognitive distance. 311 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,199 Speaker 1: But one thing we do know is that when we 312 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: talk about scale, we're not just talking about amount to 313 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: people versus size of the world. We're talking about time 314 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: of people. So agriculture can cause climate change as well 315 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 1: because we're changing the types of plants, are changing type 316 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: of livestock that interact in a biome. So it's not 317 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: necessarily a worldwide climate change, right. Human beings can be 318 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: possibly responsible for things like desertification, where the desert just 319 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: starts eating places, right and erosion. Human beings can clearly 320 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 1: be responsible for erosion. Climate change is not just a 321 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: matter of calculating pollution, right. Um. So there's the other part, 322 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,360 Speaker 1: and I know I'm going on a rant here math 323 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: there's another part that here that comes in with this, 324 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: um speaking of scale, the world's climate system is extraordinarily complex. 325 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: We don't really know what's going on with it. Meteorologists 326 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: are scarily accurate, um within you know, the short term 327 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: before or after stuff, but the further out you go, 328 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: they're just so many variables that we don't really understand 329 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: the system in which we're participating, and whenever there is 330 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: a huge chance for unintended consequences, it usually means that 331 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: there's not a clear cut, clean answer. But human beings 332 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 1: on the whole have already been changing the you know, 333 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: the quote unquote climate. The way in which it's focused now, 334 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: the way in which the debate is framed, is designed 335 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: to fool the average member of the public into just 336 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: dwelling on one aspect of how human beings influenced the world, 337 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: and um, could that create this usters? Maybe I would 338 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: just have to say, Ben, after listening to Bill Nye 339 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: on talking on multiple things and people like Nil deGrasse 340 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 1: Tyson and other other people in the field of science, 341 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 1: that I respect their opinions, I would say, because I 342 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: am not a climatologist and not scientists. I didn't go 343 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: to school for any of that. Um, so it's difficult 344 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: for me to really give an opinion that in any 345 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: way matters in any shape or form. Uh. However, I 346 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 1: would say that from what I've learned from them, the 347 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: prevailing science says that that humans are affecting the overall 348 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: biome in the climate on the Earth, and the conspiracy 349 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 1: side would most definitely be that there are interests in 350 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: the energy field that would rather maintain the status quo 351 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: of you know, burning fossil fuels in our vehicles and 352 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: you know, having coal factories, clean coal factories, large farms. Yeah, 353 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 1: I think I think that would be the conspiracy sign. 354 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: I also I also think that at this point I 355 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:18,479 Speaker 1: haven't seen any compelling evidence of a attempts to fake 356 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: global warming, your climate change. I have seen compelling evidence 357 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: of attempts to suppress that that sort of ongoing research. Um. 358 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 1: And speaking of the interaction between business and science, Uh, 359 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: there's another thing that we did that we found out 360 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: was a truth is Stranger than fiction situation, right, Yes, 361 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: the and in our attempts to extract as much oil 362 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 1: as possible from the earth and natural gas and natural gas, 363 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 1: we've decided to come up with a thing called fracking. 364 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: And that's at least what we call it hydraulic fracturing. 365 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: And it's the same. Actually it's a fairly simple well 366 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 1: it's not a simple process. Obviously, it costs a lot 367 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 1: of money, it's complicated, but the idea is simple. You 368 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: send down a drill into the earth, into rocks, and 369 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: then you you force this highly pressurized liquid which is 370 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: hydraulic liquid and chemicals, waters and couple of chemicals some 371 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: I think methylenes or something ease yes. And you force 372 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: the rocks to break open. You frack those rocks right open, 373 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 1: and that releases some of the natural gas that's trapped 374 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: in there, and the oil and the oil and all 375 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: the great things that you can burn for profit. So 376 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: there's an ongoing debate. You know this. Uh, this does 377 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: pose a risk to groundwater because it is forcing things 378 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: that are dangerous for human consumption into the ground and 379 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: through the water table deep into the ground. And UM, 380 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,360 Speaker 1: the argument is there are safe ways there, There are 381 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 1: safe ways to do it. How do you do it? 382 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 1: There are these wells wherein the used liquid is stored. Uh. 383 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: There are also some fairly compelling studies that surprise breaking 384 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: the breaking the rocks, under the under the mountains, under 385 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: the towns, under the cities, and the fields. Uh that 386 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: this can make the ground unstable? Who who to thunk? 387 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: And it can make well, it can. The problem is that, UM, 388 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: we can only estimate how much how much the effect 389 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: would be in a lot of ways. So it is 390 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 1: possible that fracking can induce earthquakes, which makes it a 391 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 1: man made natural disaster UM, not the same way that 392 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 1: harp or uh going back to the network of ionospheric UH, 393 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: which is diabolical. I love it um if if it's 394 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: not that same level, but it is, it is possible, 395 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 1: And in some cases people have already started tracing fracking 396 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: to earthquake events. I think specifically in two thousand eight 397 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 1: two thousand nine. Have a question though about what what 398 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: we have on our outline is the elephant in the 399 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: room mat, which is human population and global development. Are 400 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: more natural disasters occurring or natural disasters becoming more dangerous, 401 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 1: more expensive? Or is it just that there are more 402 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,439 Speaker 1: people in more places? Can Can I just go with 403 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 1: all of the above? Yeah, because well sure there if 404 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: you look at the Haiti earthquake, the recent Haiti earthquake, 405 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 1: there are so many people living, just a ton of 406 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: people living in structures that are dangerous when there's an earthquake, UM, 407 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 1: and that's how a lot of people will get hurt. 408 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: Maybe if you live in a place that is not 409 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 1: prepared from a technology or an infrastructure standpoint for this 410 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: kind of natural disaster. If a hurricane rolls through or 411 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: a giant tornado rolls through and the buildings in which 412 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: a large group of people are living in are not 413 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: prepared for that. Then that's how you get disasters. That's 414 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: how you get deaths, at least lots of deaths. So 415 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: it's yeah, that's I think that's a very good point. 416 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 1: We have more and more people and they're increasingly moving, 417 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 1: so formerly inhospitable environments or environments that are trans transitioning 418 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: to an inhospitable state now because of all the other 419 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: people who are there. Uh, A lot of the air 420 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 1: in India and China is filthy on a lot of 421 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: the contamination problems that we sort of kick the can 422 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: down the road on for a few for a few decades, right, 423 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: are coming back to bid us because as people are 424 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 1: moving into those areas and what what we're finding then is, uh, 425 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 1: what we're finding are are some weird, ugly truth. One 426 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,959 Speaker 1: of the questions that I was thinking about asking you 427 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,919 Speaker 1: is if you looked at it objectively, we're listeners that 428 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 1: if all of us were aliens, right, and everybody who 429 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: listened to the show arrived on a spaceship to check 430 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 1: out Earth, would we think that humans were the natural disaster? Well, 431 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: we'd probably think of them as a cancer of some sort. 432 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: Joe Rogan has a great speech. Yeah when you he's 433 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: flying over l A and just looking right before he 434 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: got to l A, he's looking at California, the beautiful, 435 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: just the way, man, this is an amazing looking planet. 436 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, yeah, the protruding gray, 437 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: just astiness and smoke. So yeah, Ben, I you know, 438 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: I think about even the Matrix lines about humans being 439 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: a virus, and that stuff really resonates with me because I, 440 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel I want to feel more 441 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: connected to the planet a lot of times, and most 442 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: of the time I don't. And I wonder if that's 443 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: just something ingreened or something that we have done to ourselves, 444 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: that we have programmed ourselves to feel separate. M hmm. 445 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: That's a good question. And that's sort of a in 446 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: some ways that sounds like a cultural or psychological disaster. 447 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: I think that what we're going to see over time 448 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: is is that if the technology does exist to create 449 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: natural disasters, to to create you know, gigantic earthquakes, mudslides 450 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: and so on. Um. Oh. Another side fact, North Korea 451 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: was mentioned as one of the places that was victimized 452 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 1: by natural disaster when they had I think a series 453 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: of floods a few years ago. But if that technology, 454 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: um did exist, it would be something that world governments 455 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: and non government agencies or organizations tried to at least 456 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 1: have access to. We mentioned to quote several times, once 457 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 1: and what the hell is fracking? And once in our 458 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: video on earthquakes. Uh, that Secretary Defense William Cohen talking 459 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: about the possibilities of future war, including stuff like tailored viruses, right, 460 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: tailored bugs to take out a certain population, right, scary 461 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: stuff and increasingly I won't say probable yet but increasingly possible. 462 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: And then we've got the other one of the other 463 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: things he mentioned, And he's not the only one to 464 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: mention this. Uh. Foreign ministers in Russia mentioned this kind 465 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: of stuff too, The concept of eco terrorism destroying you know, 466 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: which is a which is not idea that goes way 467 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: back to siege days, you know, when you could destroy 468 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: your opponent's access to food or clean water, right, or 469 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: just throw plague bodies into the well. That kind of stuff, um, diabolical. Yeah, 470 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 1: but now on a worldwide scale, at this point we 471 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 1: should probably go It looks like our buddies from a 472 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: stuff mom never told you or people are coming by 473 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: the studio window and giving us the eye. Josh came 474 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: by a second ago, so we better get out of here. Uh, guys, 475 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed this episode. We didn't have a 476 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: sponsor for this. For some reason, Illumination Global Unlimited decided 477 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: not to sponsor our episode. Um. I don't know. Maybe 478 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: it's this conflicting interests. Just for this episode. They'll be 479 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: back though. Yeah. Weirdly enough, we just got a weather 480 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: report that says a big storm is moving name what 481 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: oh oh man, do you hear that? Yeah? We better well, Matt. 482 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: Where can people find us? Hopefully? 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