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Speaker 1: Hey, there are folks at It's Thursday, August twenty first,

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Speaker 1: and we could be hours away, maybe even minutes away. Hell,

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Speaker 1: we could be moments away of finding out if at

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Speaker 1: least one of the Menendez brothers could be getting paroleed.

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Speaker 1: And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and

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Speaker 1: TJ presents the Menandez parole Hearing. TJ. Holmes Here, my pardon,

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Speaker 1: Amy Robot is in Bulder, Colorado right now, so I'm

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Speaker 1: holding it down. But this is a very big day.

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Speaker 1: And as we speak, folks, as of this recording, the

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Speaker 1: parole hearing for Eric Menandez is taking place as I

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Speaker 1: couple of hours now. We're expecting to go about three

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Speaker 1: Eric Menandez should be let out of prison. It is

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Speaker 1: a remarkable day, a long time coming, a lot of

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Speaker 1: of this, which was an absolute phenomenon when it comes

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Speaker 1: thirty six years after those shocking deaths in Beverly Hills,

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Speaker 1: that one of the boys, they were boys eighteen to

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Speaker 1: explain Eric and Lyle Menendez. Eric his hearing is today,

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Speaker 1: like I said, going on right now. His brother Lyle

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Speaker 1: They are going through and asking questions to see if

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Speaker 1: they let a guy out who has admitted to double murder,

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Speaker 1: We some of you, if you followed us, especially during

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Speaker 1: so they can't sit there like we were doing in

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Speaker 1: That's still a long time. It doesn't mean necessarily going

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Speaker 1: In theory, however, that is not good practice. Even their lawyer, Gerrigos, said,

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Speaker 1: let me explain why the process there in California. The

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Speaker 1: serves California. The Parole Board has a review process. That

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Speaker 1: was happening. This was happening, the parole boy said this,

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Speaker 1: So it's ultimately all Gavin Newsom who gets to make

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Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom something else to note. What if the parole

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Speaker 1: a huge day, one of the biggest possibly in this

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Speaker 1: storied case, that the Menindez brothers could hear word that

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Speaker 1: we get an update and make sure you all have it.

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Speaker 1: But for now, I'm TJ. Holmes from our partner Amy Roboc.

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Speaker 1: We will be talking to y' all soon