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Speaker 1: Finding Chase Masner Episode seven. This week marks three years

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Speaker 1: since her son, Chase Massner vanished in Cobb County. Living

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Speaker 1: the last three years with the not knowing and without

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Speaker 1: him here is pure hell. Chase Massner isn't a Rock

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Speaker 1: War veteran, a husband, a father. His wife told us

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Speaker 1: she dropped them off at a quickstrip in Cobb County,

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Speaker 1: where he works. His family says he was last seen

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Speaker 1: at a friend's house in Kennesaw three years ago on March.

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Speaker 1: It's like he vanished from that home, not to be

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Speaker 1: seen or heard from again. If he was able to

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Speaker 1: Despite some intense searching, few clues have been found. She

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Speaker 1: tells me that as a mother, in her heart, she

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Speaker 1: feels her son Chase is dead. We have absolutely no

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Speaker 1: I've lived the last three years not knowing, and every

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Speaker 1: single day it's just help. Can you imagine going to

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Speaker 1: sleep every single night wondering where is your son? Is

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Speaker 1: he dead? Is he alive? Is he somewhere calling your name,

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Speaker 1: Is he alive, the child you spent your life raising,

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Speaker 1: poured all of your hopes, all of your dreams into

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Speaker 1: and somehow, just like that, it's just gone as that

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Speaker 1: all the years and all the love never happened. I'm

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is crime stories, and that is what

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Speaker 1: has happened to a young, handsome Iraqi war vett U

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Speaker 1: s soldier, Chase Master. We are devoted to finding Chase.

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Speaker 1: The mystery surrounding the disappearance of this young man, a

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Speaker 1: husband and a father, a son, really hit home with

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Speaker 1: me when I met his mother, Stephanie Gadina. The first

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Speaker 1: several weeks, they were not actively investigating because, in their words,

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Speaker 1: it's not a crime to be missing. If he wanted

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Speaker 1: looks at her son's picture. Every day she wonders, where

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Speaker 1: is he? What happened? What can I do to find him?

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Speaker 1: And I put myself in that spot, and I can

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Speaker 1: screaming to the neighborhood. Have you seen John David? Have

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Speaker 1: you seen Lucy? And at a certain point when you

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Speaker 1: can't cry anymore and you can't speak, anymore, and your

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Speaker 1: voice is cracked and you've got nobody to turn to.

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Speaker 1: You just go numb. I just want another truth. I

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Speaker 1: want to know what happened to Chase. Do you believe

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Speaker 1: Chase is still alive? I do not? Now are you

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Speaker 1: I don't believe he's alife. Can you think of a

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Speaker 1: reason that anyone would have wanted him dead? Not a

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Speaker 1: single reason. Would you be willing to forego a prosecution

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Speaker 1: in exchange for knowing what happened to Chase? Absolutely, I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to get revenge or get anyone in trouble,

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Speaker 1: and it's just trying to find justice for Chase. We

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Speaker 1: have to talk to Brad. That's the missing link here.

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Speaker 1: Now we know he has refused to polygraph and then

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Speaker 1: I am going to find him. I'm gonna ask him

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Speaker 1: and we'll take it from there. We found Brad Clements.

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Speaker 1: We found him. I beat on his door. He opened

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Speaker 1: what happened that when he goes missing. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: really not that much Like it's like everybody says, I

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Speaker 1: like that was like what I did that day, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, that wasn't really anything to do with Chase.

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Speaker 1: It was like, you know, I ran a bunch of

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Speaker 1: errands what I was doing, you know, most time when

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Speaker 1: act like I mean, that's the only logical thing what

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Speaker 1: became of Chase Masner, A handsome young Iraqi war Vett

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Speaker 1: and then he goes missing. There's no way some sort

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Speaker 1: We managed to track down the wild card, Brad Clements,

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Speaker 1: who allegedly was the last person with Chase Masner. But

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Speaker 1: she speaks, Amanda Masner, I, Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Is this the missing

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Speaker 1: Amanda Masner. Did you do you go buy? Amanda Masma?

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Speaker 1: How old are your girls now? Adeline's four? And soon

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Speaker 1: you will be sending into how long has it been

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Speaker 1: since Chase were missing? Three years? A little over March?

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Speaker 1: That's right, was the last day I saw him? It

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Speaker 1: was official March twenty seven. That's interesting that you say

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Speaker 1: really don't know. Was it that day the next day?

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Speaker 1: What exactly happened? Do you believe even if you and

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Speaker 1: Chase were having an argument or not getting along at

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Speaker 1: the time, do you believe Chase would have gone this

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Speaker 1: long without contacting the girls? No? I don't know either.

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Speaker 1: What did the girls ask about Daddy. They don't. They're

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Speaker 1: at peace with it. Do they believe he's dead? Why? Um,

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Speaker 1: they came to terms with it on their own time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, why would they believe he's dead instead of missing.

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Speaker 1: they verbally expressed that? And obviously they've done counseling, They've

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Speaker 1: so I really feel Adeline just kind of absorbs Sydney's feelings,

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Speaker 1: so she takes on Sydney's recollections and feelings. Okay, when

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Speaker 1: What do you think happened? Really, it depends on the day,

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Speaker 1: better than anybody, You're one of the last people to

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Speaker 1: I've decided that I'm not going to put a stamp

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Speaker 1: and I could say, oh, I think that it was this,

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Speaker 1: there in your mind? Honestly, Nancy, I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: And so long ago I gave to God the fact

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Speaker 1: doesn't do me any good. There are investigators and there

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Speaker 1: I have facts that I am more than willing to

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Speaker 1: share with everybody. I have details, but I'm happy to

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Speaker 1: than anybody. Obviously, no scenario is good at all. Chase

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Speaker 1: to try to play it off like it was. Yes,

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Speaker 1: the military played a role in making his bipolar disorder worse,

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Speaker 1: but Chase had bipolar disorder before the military. All the

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Speaker 1: military experience, did he actually see action? No, not serious action.

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Speaker 1: You know, people ask me a lot. Did you go

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Speaker 1: that day to find out more about his murder. Have

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Speaker 1: you read the trial transcript? No, I haven't because it

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Speaker 1: is so devastating for me to do that. I could

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Speaker 1: can't let myself do that. And I would, I know

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Speaker 1: I would. It's been many, many years since Keith was murdered.

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Speaker 1: So when you're so sing this, don't feel like it's

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Speaker 1: just you. A lot of people go through the same thing.

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Speaker 1: I don't want a way to try child's transcript and

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Speaker 1: find out what exactly Kate lived to him when he

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Speaker 1: was murdered. Why I even think about it. It's hard

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Speaker 1: You said he did not see serious action. Where was

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Speaker 1: which is in Kansas. He spent one year, left less

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Speaker 1: So it's about nine months that he spent directed, so

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Speaker 1: to wal grains. Did you talk to him again that night? Okay?

428
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: What happened? The only thing I said was I just

429
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: want to make sure you're okay before I got a bit.

430
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: Are you okay? When it was between ten and eleven

431
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: o'clock at night? And he said, yeah, I'm okay. How

432
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: did you end up with his cell phone? I did

433
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: not hand chase his cellphone, That is the out again. False.

434
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: Where did that come from? Oh, I know where it

435
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: came from, because you said you were going to check

436
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: his cell phone, that you would go check his cell phone,

437
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: because just after he had disappeared, I could have been

438
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: referring to cellphone records and somebody might have gotten that confused. Well,

439
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: what was that the conversation with Brad, Um, you were

440
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: really sleepy. Brad called and said, um, something about a

441
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: drug dealer in this neighborhood, and you said, he woke

442
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: you up dead of night, and you said, oh, I

443
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: gotta I'll check Chase his cell phones more and let

444
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: you know his number. Yeah. I had all of Chase

445
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: his cellphone records and every call singing out that he

446
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: may never and I, like you said, I'm gonna check

447
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: his cell phone. He meant cell phone records. Yeah, I

448
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: referred to them all the time. So I mean, I

449
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: can't tell you for sure what I even said. I

450
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: don't even remember that conversation, to be honest with you, Hey, Amanda,

451
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: Yeah you Steven mm hmm. Hey, I'm sorry to call

452
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: you so late. Um. I was just thinking I was

453
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: kind of walking through the neighborhood and uh, I just remember,

454
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: do you the guy that lived down the street for

455
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: me that chases to get um stuff from. Okay, I

456
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: remember and I couldn't remember. Um, did you have you

457
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: tried to call that guy or do you know? Um,

458
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: do you know who I'm talking about? No? I tell him.

459
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: He said that he lived right in my neighborhood. And

460
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: I think that is a big step to this. We

461
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: could just figure out who that guy is. So if

462
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: you're talking about the guy that he likes it like

463
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: he got weed for that one day. Yeah, yeah, that's

464
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. That's like some forty five year

465
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:32,479
Speaker 1: old his names oh oh power something. And did you

466
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: know him? Well, do you think the chi that he

467
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: could have gone there that? No, Chase doesn't really know

468
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: him that well. Later, he just met him a few

469
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: weeks ago. He's like some old business guy, like kind

470
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: of a nerd and Chase just hooked him up and

471
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: a few times. Okay, well, um, mistake remember should be interesting. Okay,

472
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: Well tomorrow we're trying to depend on Okay, cool, cool,

473
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: I'm just you now still do want to can man

474
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: and trying to trying to find him and do get this,

475
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: you know, get some closure and you know, just all

476
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: of us are finally getting you know, accused of this

477
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff. I feel like, so I just

478
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: want to I just want to get it done, you know.

479
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: And yeah, technically definitely just well, sleep tight and I

480
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: hope everything's doing all right with you, all right? And

481
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: if you you know, like I said, need anything, don't

482
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: have to day to call me if you you know,

483
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: if you need anything that it's not gonna get you

484
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: in trouble from talking to me. But I just thought that, uh,

485
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: that guy you know, really could have some importance for this,

486
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: because I don't think we've gone that route at all.

487
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, look like number Okay, Well we've got I'll

488
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: talk to you soon, all right, thank you? Okay, that

489
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: was it aversation? Yeah, but I did not have his

490
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: cell phone. When did you cut off his cell phone

491
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: four or five months after he disappeared? Blake? What what

492
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: was the phone cut off? It sounds about right like

493
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: the three or four months YE heard something that, Yeah,

494
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: I said, four or five could have been somewhere. Why

495
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: because I couldn't pay the bill? Yeah, and you also moved,

496
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: I did. When did you move a year after he disappeared?

497
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: Were you concerned that if he came back, he would

498
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: not be able to find you. No, it wasn't. Have

499
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: you been cooperating with police? Have they asked you for

500
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: an interview? Yes? Did you give the interview? Yes? And

501
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 1: are you willing to take a polygraph test anytime? So

502
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: if we arrange a polygraph test you would be happy

503
00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: and tested. Absolutely, that's good to know. What do you make, uh,

504
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: concerns that you guys were growing or had pought in

505
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: the house. Yeah, I'd be happy to tell you about it. Okay,

506
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 1: So Chase and I did smoke pot, something that I'm

507
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: always been open about. Is it something I'm proud of?

508
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. Is it something that since then I have

509
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: realized is completely irresponsible and I regret. Yes, I'm not

510
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: the same person that I was then, And since then

511
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: God has come into my life and I'm grateful for that.

512
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 1: God has changed so much about who I am. And

513
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: it took obviously a stream brokenness to do so. But

514
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: Chase got to a point where he smoked so much

515
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: that he couldn't afford it, and so he decided that

516
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: he was going to try didn't grow a lot, so

517
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:06,919
Speaker 1: he had like four planets in our hot water heat

518
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 1: or room, downstairs that he was trying to grow and

519
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 1: he did research and tried okay, and he was never

520
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:22,919
Speaker 1: even actually successful. He and he was growing him successfully

521
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: but was not even successful at it before he disappeared.

522
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: There still down there the night that he around the

523
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: night and he went messing that Chase went missing? Did

524
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 1: Brad Clemens can I wrote to your place? It was

525
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: not around the night he went missing, and wasn't. It

526
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: was several nights later when everybody, not I say everybody,

527
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:52,280
Speaker 1: that's broad when people were starting to get confused about

528
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 1: what actually happened. So me and one of my very

529
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: good friends, Lauren Bundy and her husband at the time,

530
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: and Stephen Pugh were at my house and I asked

531
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: them to come over, and I asked Brat to come

532
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: over because I wanted to hear from him what happened.

533
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: And I didn't know him very well, so I asked

534
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: him to sit down with us, and I just wanted

535
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 1: to hear it from him. Would you be surprised to

536
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: know that hey reports that you wanted that I've already

537
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: heard it, okay, and watch your response to that, And

538
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: I mean to be honest, it doesn't surprise me. I

539
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: did have opinions of Brad, but I don't think that

540
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 1: it benefits anybody. Well, is it you asked that pot?

541
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: That my opinions, and did we smoke pot? He said

542
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: he was going to bring pot and then when he

543
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: got there, he was like, oh, I forgot I guess

544
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: I didn't bring it. And then he scraped what's called

545
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: scraping a bowl. I don't know if you're familiar with

546
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 1: the term. Yes, I've prosecuted a lot of people then

547
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: scraped the balls, then the jail. That's what we did. Yeah,

548
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: and so that is so technically, yes, we smoked um.

549
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: But you've got to understand how that strikes people that

550
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: are still looking for Chase. Oddly that while the search

551
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: is on for your husband, your kickback smoking pot, and

552
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: it makes people think you don't care whether that's true

553
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: or not. And that's I don't have a response to that, because,

554
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, for people that do smoke,

555
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: it's a pretty normal part of their life, and it

556
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 1: was a pretty normal part of life. Were your children

557
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: there at the time, No, where were the girls that night?

558
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: They were sleeping in the home where you guys are

559
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: smoking pot? Yeah, we were outside. Did I ever give

560
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: and that explanation that made sense to you that night.

561
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: What was his explanation about what happened? I'm curious to

562
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: find out what was he saying at the time, not

563
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: what he may be saying now. Well, why did he

564
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: say that night about what happened? His explanation then it

565
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: really didn't make much sense even that. What does he

566
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: say happened? He said that Chase came up pre he

567
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: picked him up from Quitture, and he said they went

568
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 1: back to his house state of Ly, they both went

569
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 1: to sleep. He said that Chase wanted to get heroin.

570
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: And I didn't know Chase having years Harold. He did

571
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: a little bit in high school and but it was

572
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: never a part of his life, our married life. Brad says,

573
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: if he choose to believe it, that Chase wanted to

574
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: score Harold, okay, what happened? Brad said, he convinced him

575
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: not to, okay, and that he was drinking. Hey, that

576
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: Chase was okay, and that they just didn't go to

577
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 1: sleep okay, and then Chase just kept sleeping. Brad boke

578
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: up the next morning and Chase was sleeping and he

579
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: continued to sleep. But you told me that Chase had

580
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: sleep problems and he very rarely had a whole night's sleep. Correct, okay,

581
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: And Chase also had slept all day on Wednesday, and

582
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: Brad said that Chase continued to sleep checked on before

583
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: he left his house and he was still asleep. And

584
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: that was in the boarding and that was in the

585
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: morning to deliver our computer, I think, he said, And

586
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 1: he said, that's when he took his phone. Why did

587
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: Brad take Chase's time with him? When Brad went to

588
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: deliver the computer to a client, he said to text

589
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: me and to make sure he didn't leave. Why do

590
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: I think us are a Chase lightly? I don't know

591
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,439
Speaker 1: what difference would it have made if Chase decided to leave.

592
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. So, Okay, did he text you from

593
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: Chase's phine? He did? Did he represent himself as Chase? Okay?

594
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 1: And he told you at the time he had Chase

595
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 1: his fune Yes, he said he this is bread. Did

596
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: he say in those texts why he took the phone? No?

597
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: You were just saying things like I just wanted to

598
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: let you know that Chase is okay, he's sleeping, making

599
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: comments like Chase really cares about you. Um, I'm paraphrasing.

600
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: Did you have any reason to believe at that time

601
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: that following morning, after you had dropped him off the

602
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: day before, and anything was wrong? No, I didn't. What

603
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: happened next? According to Bratt, you went and delivered what

604
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: I mean, he just said it was an errand at

605
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: the time, now I know that he was saying he

606
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 1: was delivering a computer or something. He said he came back,

607
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: checked on Chase and he was still sleeping. That's aw

608
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: m gave him his phone back, and did you wipe

609
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: him up to give up as pound of back? See,

610
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: this is where I don't remember. He's told me the

611
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: story multiple times, and so I don't remember if it

612
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 1: was that night that he said this or at a

613
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: different point when he told me his story. But at

614
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: one occasion that he told me his story, he said

615
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: that he had moved Chase from one room to another,

616
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: woke m up, gave him his phone, and moved him

617
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: to a different room. And I'm really not sure why

618
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: what that motivation was for June. So yeah, he told

619
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: me that it's because he needed to work in the

620
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: room where Chise was sleeping. Yeah, I remember that. So

621
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: he did wie him up for that, and that was

622
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 1: after the errand what happened then? And he said he

623
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: gave him his phone then, and he said he had

624
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: to go round another errand And he said he went

625
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: and rang that air and came back, started barbecuing, lose

626
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: backyard on fire, got that putted out, and then went

627
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,280
Speaker 1: back upstairs check on Chase and realized he was gone.

628
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: And he said he didn't think much of it until

629
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: I contacted him via Facebook. He said, he assumed that

630
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: I picked him up. I was gonna ask you, Brad

631
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: believes that you can't get picked touch Chase. That's what

632
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: he said. Where were you at that time? In court?

633
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: In court doing what? I worked part time for my

634
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: best friend's husband. My best friend's husband's dad. You can

635
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,959
Speaker 1: connect those times. He owns it on the motor shop

636
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 1: and so I worked kind of like the secretary or

637
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: office manager part time for him. And so he was

638
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: in court for civil issue, and so I was in

639
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: court with him helping you. Okay, what time did you

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Speaker 1: go to court that day? I'm like eight or nine him? Okay?

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Speaker 1: And what time did you leave court that day? Wait

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Speaker 1: for or something? So the day he goes missing, you're

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Speaker 1: in court. Correct. When did you start trying to find

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Speaker 1: Chase when I got out of court? I mean I

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Speaker 1: was texting him like it. Did he ever text back?

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Speaker 1: And No, I didn't speak to him one time that Thursday.

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Speaker 1: The last time you spoke to him was when you

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Speaker 1: dropped him off, or that night when you sat check

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Speaker 1: and see if you're correct? What do you make of

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Speaker 1: Brad's comments that you hit on him the night it

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Speaker 1: came out with pot I don't have anything to say

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Speaker 1: about that if I definitely did not hit on him,

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Speaker 1: and I have no idea why I even say that.

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Speaker 1: Do you believe Chase commined suicide, either all purpose or inavertently?

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what I believe, it matters to me. Women.

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Speaker 1: Maybe off the record, you and I can talk about that.

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Speaker 1: I've been trying to figure out if you the person

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Speaker 1: that knew the best thanks he was killed or met

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Speaker 1: with foul play. I don't believe that. Yeah, Blie, somebody

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Speaker 1: killed him. Don't do you think there's any chance he's

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Speaker 1: still alone? No, James, sorry, I wasn't able to come

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Speaker 1: to the phone. No, please end this message. The search

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Speaker 1: for Chase Masner and the search for justice goes on.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace crime Stories. Goodbye friend,