1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: Oh m oh, my god, there's a dog. Hello, Hello, Hello, 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: hello dog. It's Walter. He's shy, he's grumpy. He's only 3 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: bit one person and it was a six year old 4 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:15,319 Speaker 1: boy who hit him in the head at a toy star. 5 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: So I figured tracks makes sense. I too would hit 6 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: a six year old boy in the head, but he 7 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: does growl. Go to sleep, buddy, go to sleep. One. Two, Hey, 8 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: how's it going? Said? Sound good? All right, I guess 9 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: we're all set yo. Hi. So Michael, I'm very excited 10 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: to say that I have brought you a Red Bull 11 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: for this episode. I could see that, and I'm thankful 12 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: for it. All right, it's I guess first and foremost. 13 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: Let us uh, let us crack open. All right, So 14 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: this is Red Bull with touring. When Red Bull came out, 15 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: everyone kind of went, what the ship is that? So 16 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: you don't even remember this happening? So this is here 17 00:00:55,120 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: we got ready crack ready. Oh yeah, that was a 18 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: little correct. Is this what it sounds like when they 19 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: start their car engines? From I Heeart Media and Sports 20 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: Illustrated Studios, this is choosing sides one. Wow, Michael, can 21 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: you guess who we're talking about today? Red Ball. Sorry, 22 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: it's Ferrari's day. Williams, Williams, I love who. You still 23 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: don't know what Williams is. You just know Williams comes. 24 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: I like their colors, That's true, They're very class. I 25 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: like their colors. So maybe that's and maybe what we're 26 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: going to find through all of this extensive research by 27 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: you and all the other researching producers is that dumb 28 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: Michael just wants cool colors, which is why probably how 29 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: we all pick a lot of our teams. All right, 30 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: So our last two episodes we were all about Mercedes, 31 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: you know, the team of hyper efficiency. There this now 32 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: actual extension from a luxury car brand. Today we're kind 33 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: of going in the opposite direction. So let's talk about 34 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: Red Bull. So that was Jenny Gal, prominent f one 35 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: reporter for the BBC and other outlets. They are basically 36 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: a drinking team because Red Bull gives you wings. Everybody 37 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 1: knows it's a you know, it's a drink. Red Bull 38 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: is a is a very different team to Mercedes. Mercedes 39 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 1: is a global automotive brand who were only interested in 40 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: selling cars off the back of winning world championships. That's 41 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: kind of what they do, whereas Red Bull are there 42 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 1: as a marketing exercise for Dietrict Matter Ships and his 43 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: Red Bull Drinks company. Before we get to Red Bull 44 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: in Formula one, we have to get a little bit 45 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: of a history lesson in Red Bull Dietrich Matter Ships. 46 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: Who owns Red Bull um is kind of quite an enigma. 47 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: He very rarely turns up to an F one race. 48 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: He's not They're kind of cheering on from the sidelines, 49 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: like a lot of the owners that we seem of 50 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: any sports team. He's very much in the background. He 51 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: actually has said he prefers to watch races on TV, 52 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: which is the most rich person thing to spend hundreds 53 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 1: of millions of dollars on something and not even be 54 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: there in person to see it. Often he's very much 55 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: in the background. But it was a marketing exercise first 56 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: and foremost for them to get into Formula one. It's 57 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: been relatively successful as well. I hear they sell some things. 58 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: So I'm going to sound a little bit like I'm 59 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: a Harvard NBA student for just like a couple of minutes, 60 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: so bear with me. I'm curious to learn about the company. 61 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: To be honest with you, I have no fucking clue 62 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: how I was introduced to red Bull excellent. So the 63 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: company was founded in the form that we know it 64 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: inn by this Austrian guy named Diedrich Mattas shits quite 65 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: a name. What a surprise, another very rich, old white 66 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: guy exactly yeah. Uh. Diedrich is a billionaire, which means 67 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: that he has said some controversial things in his life. 68 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: More recently, in seen, he said that Austria should close 69 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: its borders to refugees and express support for Donald Trump. 70 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: This was during Trump's presidency, which obviously makes both of 71 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: those things make people feel lots of things about our 72 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: dear Dietrich. They don't vitalize, They do not vitalize. Okay, 73 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: So moving on to red Bull to Drink. D trip 74 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: didat actually create Red Bull to Drink? Red Bull to 75 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: Drink was actually created in the mid nineteen seventies by 76 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: a guy named Chilea Vedia. He has this idea because 77 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: he comes from a farming family that he wants to 78 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 1: create something that gives a little extra pep when folks 79 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: are feeling tired. And he really wanted to create something 80 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: for the working class, for farmers, for bus drivers, for 81 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: taxi drivers. Really a man of the people. This Chileo, 82 00:04:55,640 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: and he creates a drink called creating Dang. In Thailand, 83 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: it means red bull, so he comes up with the 84 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: idea of red Bull. He puts it in medicine looking bottles, 85 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: so it looks like almost a prescription. But even though 86 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: it's a thing you can just buy at the store. 87 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: And yeah, what really separated it from other kind of 88 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: drinks in general at the time was that it was 89 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: really catering towards a working class market. That was sort 90 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: of his his whole thing. Ud Trick on a business 91 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: trip discovers this drink and he has it when he's 92 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: really tired and just trying to fly home or do whatever, 93 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: and he thinks it's genius. He wants to bring it 94 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: over to the West because he thinks there's a huge market. 95 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: And keep in mind, by this time and you know, 96 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 1: the seventies and eighties, there's there's not really an energy 97 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 1: drink market. That's not really a thing that you create 98 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: that and it was really bad coffee exactly. Yeah. The 99 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: other thing he did when he brought it over to 100 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,239 Speaker 1: the West is he tweaked to the formula so there 101 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: is more sugar. There's actually thirty three percent more caffeine 102 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: in like this original European version and the version that 103 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 1: we see today in the States. Then the original drink. 104 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 1: He also adds carbonation to it, which was new, so 105 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: it really seems yet less and less like a medicinal 106 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: thing and more like what we see today. He added 107 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: the new you know, packaging and the logo and all 108 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: of this stuff. Just for a slight economic detour. Red 109 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: Bull does still hold thirty eight percent of the market 110 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: share of energy drinks, so it's the most popular energy 111 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: drink on the planet and it has sold over seventy 112 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 1: five billion cans since. What a success story. My God, 113 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: does fascinate me that that that we think as humans 114 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: are were so stimulated in life as it is. And 115 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: this of course makes sense because what we really need 116 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: is a drink to calm us down, but instead the 117 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: market wants a drink that keeps us going. We're always 118 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: on that hamster wheel of life and I'm drinking it 119 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: right now. Yeah. So the other big thing that Dietrich 120 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: brings to the table is he's a big, long time 121 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: I'm you know, lifelong sports fan. He loves sports. He's 122 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to market this drink in 123 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: a brand new space. People don't drink energy drinks, so 124 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: so what does he do? He has this great idea 125 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: that their biggest tactic is going to be aligning the 126 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: company with extreme sports and extreme physical and athletic feats. 127 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: All right, stand up on the exterior step, keep your 128 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: head down and going to an angel will take care. Yet, 129 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: they sponsored a daredevil named Felix bomb Gardner who went 130 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: skydiving from space. Yeah, it was that whole big thing. 131 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: They put them up in this little capsule twenty miles 132 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: above earth and then he free fell and then parachuted. 133 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: Can anybody understand? You see if you can get a 134 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: respiratory count? And Red Bull was everywhere. It was absolutely ever. 135 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,679 Speaker 1: They did films on it, they had all sorts of promo. 136 00:07:55,400 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: It was truly everywhere. They also have sponsored humorous bass jumpers, 137 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: so they'll say, hey, jump out of this high thing 138 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: and then fly through this tiny crack in a cliff 139 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: and hopefully you don't die, because that would be really 140 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: bad for our stunt. Uh. They have had time. They 141 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: had a stunt where they had pilot's attempt to switch 142 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: planes midair. They also had a guy break the world 143 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: record in snowmobile jumping, that's you name it. If it's 144 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: an extreme sport or just kind of an absurd feat, 145 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: red Bull probably is sponsoring it or at least has 146 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: a hand in it. The list goes on and on 147 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: with red Bull. What is red Bull going for here? Like, 148 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: what is the what is this branding? But I guess 149 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: in the market filled with drink, you've got to break 150 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 1: through somehow, you gotta get eyeballs on you, and they 151 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: have done that. Yeah, So the big question is how 152 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: does Red Bull end up owning teams on the Formula 153 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: One grid and becoming this big successful teams. So it 154 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 1: is similar to how Mercedes was kind of supplying things 155 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: to teams that were already on the grid long before 156 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: they themselves joined. Red Bull was a sponsor before they 157 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: joined in the mid two thousand's and they decided to 158 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: start looking into a team and at the end of 159 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: the two thousand four season they purchased an F one 160 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: team at the time it was Jaguar and start building 161 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: it up for the two thousand five season. We'll get 162 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: into more of the team history after this break. We've 163 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: got to sell some ads. Remember how we talked about 164 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: with Mercedes, how they would kind of supply their their 165 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: various stuff to other teams. That's what basically a Red 166 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: Bull has to do is buy all these different car parts, 167 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: you know, the power unit, the chassis, all this stuff 168 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: from other manufacturers to kind of build up this this car. 169 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: Uh and they do. You know, like most teams, it 170 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: takes a little while to get going, but they really 171 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: hit their strides starting in season and they proceed to 172 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 1: in four World championships, both Constructor and Driver's Championships for 173 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: realiant brilliant drive. If you joined the Great Yea Bowing 174 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: before the Bull, Sebastian Fetal World Champion in two thousand 175 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: and ten, eleven, twelve, and now thirteen Red Bull the 176 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: Constructors Championship is coming their way as well. Johnny McLaren 177 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 1: and Ferrari is the only constructors to win four consecutive 178 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: world titles. So obviously, I'm sure you're wondering, how does 179 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: a team that's just a couple of years into the 180 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: sports suddenly win four world championships. Yeah, I mean, isn't 181 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 1: that what everybody wants to do? But it's that's very 182 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: difficult exactly. Again, speaking to the culture, they were very 183 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: good at poaching people, and one of the people they 184 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 1: poached was this genius engineer named Adrian Newey. You hear 185 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: Nui's name kind of come up a lot, especially amongst 186 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: kind of like tech nerds who love the technical aspects 187 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 1: of one. So Adrian Newey he has basically want or created, 188 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: you know, world championship winning cars for multiple teams over 189 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: the years, whether it's Williams, McLaren, Red Bull, you name it, 190 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: he's he's somehow involved. His big thing is he's great 191 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: at aerodynamics and he is great at going into the 192 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: regulations and figure out every loophole, every way to skirt 193 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: around what's been assigned for for the cars. He's a 194 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: real nerd in that way. He's talked about loving reading 195 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: the regulation book and reading through the rules and then 196 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:39,719 Speaker 1: he finds kind of funky, weird ways to to get 197 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: around that. So that's kind of his deal and Red Bull, 198 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: you know, kind of snatched him up and and it 199 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: really helped them sort of in the end of that era, 200 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: figure out what was going to work best for them. 201 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: So so that that's kind of some of Red Bulls 202 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: secret sauce or special sauce if you will, is Adrian 203 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: Newey Uh, it does seem like the tech side are 204 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: the other stars, but you don't see them plastered on 205 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: the cans and the and the and the TV as 206 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: much well within within F one. And I will say that, 207 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: unlike Mercedes, which has been truly dominant for you know, 208 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: most of those eight years that they were, they were 209 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: really in it to win it and winning everything, Red 210 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: Bull is a little bit touch and go. So actually 211 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: two of these four championships they win by mere points. 212 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: I'm talking two to four points for SEB over. The 213 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: second place finisher in both cases was this guy Fernando Alonso, 214 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: who we will also talk about uh this season. And 215 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,719 Speaker 1: I think what's also important to note with SEB and 216 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: with with Red Bullies, they were not quiet about their wins. Right. 217 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: So seb for instance, when he won one of the 218 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 1: World championships, finishes up the race and starts doing donuts 219 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: in his F one car, I wonder how much that 220 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: will cost him it finds, but it's probably worth it. 221 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: And that's not common in Formula one because NASCAR, that's 222 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: all day long, you have teams do stuff with their cars, 223 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: but Red Bull take it to another level. So they 224 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: for instance, they had two cars they fitted them with 225 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: these like pieces on the front to make them quote 226 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: unquote play rugby against each other so you can see 227 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: the two cars you've got. They put like special like 228 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: chains on the tires and drove across the tundra basically. Uh. 229 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: And then they also, yeah, like do kinds of zero 230 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: gravity stuff with their cars, right, And everything is well documented, 231 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: of course, well photographed, well posted. I mean, you know, 232 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 1: it's marketing. Red Bull has this branding of extreme. You're 233 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: not going to see Mercedes playing rugby with its car, right, 234 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: So I kind of get what they're going for. And uh, 235 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: and it definitely is a specific attitude. As a Formula 236 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: one team. I find them very aggressive. So that's Formula 237 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: one journalist Tony Cowen Brown when Bull follow this narrative 238 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: that men is this a boys club and these are men, 239 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: real men, and they don't cry and they scream and 240 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: they shout, which I'm like, that's so archaic to me 241 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: that it's just it's just not the way the world 242 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: is heading. But that's not to say that's bad. Some 243 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: people actually love that that sort of mentality of being 244 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: vious and unstoppable and unapologetic and you know, flipping table 245 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: great go for it. So that that's that's sort of 246 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: to paint a picture of how Red Bulls F one 247 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: team kind of you know, distinguishes itself. So, uh, red 248 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: Bulls on top of the world, you know, coming out 249 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: of as we know from our Mercedes episodes, there is 250 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: then a regulation shift that begins in Unfortunately for Red Bull, 251 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: Mercedes begins to really soar. They really hit their stride 252 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: after a couple of years of just getting up to 253 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: speed and Red Bulls starts to have some issues with consistency. 254 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: They also have issues with driver pairings and uh and 255 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: and it all just becomes a little bit rough for 256 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: for many years. Alright. So I think the most important 257 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: thing about Red Bull as a team is the culture there. 258 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: It's all about pressure, It's all about performing on the spot. 259 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: It's all about you either swim or you sink. So 260 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: my name is I'll Discover Auscas and I basically just 261 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: cover the world the Formula one Red Bull. They're a 262 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: very cut through team, no doubt about it. But that 263 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: competitive edge is ultimately what drives the entire team, you know, 264 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: That's what kind of motivates the guys around them. They 265 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: want to be younger, they want to be cooler, They 266 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: want to be hip, they want to have loud music 267 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: playing in the garage, they want to be the young 268 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: guns of F one. Yeah, it's a very different team 269 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: to Mercedes because when it comes to Mercedes, it's all 270 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: about working together and kind of really doing things by 271 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: the book, if that makes sense. Whilst with Red Bull 272 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: they're a bit more of a wild card. But that's 273 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: just what kind of makes them special. It's almost like 274 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: a pressure cooker within the pressure cooker of Formula one 275 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: as an outsider, and this is what perspective is helpful 276 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: because now maybe after seeing a little bit about the 277 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: Red Bull team, I have a different opinion about the 278 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: Mercedes team. But Red Bull doesn't to me, doesn't exude class, 279 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: maybe hyper masculine. We're happy to talk shipped to you 280 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: when an L costs type vibe. Not sure if that's accurate, 281 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: but that's my first takeaway on it. They're definitely I 282 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: would say a little bit grittier in terms of personality, 283 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: but I mean a red Bull. How much how much 284 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: does each Red Bull cost? I think these were one 285 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: like three dollars to fifty like that, and how much 286 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: of the Mercedes cost so it's like it does. It 287 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: might come down to that that that Red Bull does 288 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: need to be more power to the people type vibe, 289 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: which again is very funny considering its origin story. But 290 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: sure that De Trick loves loves the people, so I 291 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: think nothing better kind of exudes this whole pressure cooker 292 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: within a pressure cooker mentality at Red Bull than their 293 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: young driver program. They've always been very invested in young drivers. 294 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: They other teams, to be honest, most big teams like 295 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: Ferrari Mercedes, they don't just give a young driver, you know, 296 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: the keys to the kingdom and potentially a ce A 297 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: winning team unless they have a couple of years of 298 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: experience or even more in some cases. Red Bull is 299 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: not like that. They do not mind kind of throwing 300 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 1: a spanner into the works and giving a very young driver, 301 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 1: you know, a chance to win races, and that's kind 302 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: of been their philosophy. However, if that young driver doesn't perform, 303 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: there's been you know, the arm around the shoulder approach 304 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: does not last very long and they get cut, they 305 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: will sponsor a ton of young drivers, obviously almost entirely men, uh, 306 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: and they will give them the machinery so they'll say, hey, 307 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:29,479 Speaker 1: we'll put you in a car, your Red Bull car 308 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: sponsored by Red Bull whatever, And that sounds really great, 309 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: right if you're like fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, your Red Bull 310 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: wants to sponsor you're you know, you're you're a little unproven, 311 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:40,239 Speaker 1: but they're they're willing to give you a chance. Uh. 312 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: The big problem is that Red Bull also has no 313 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: problem dumping drivers very quickly, so they throw you in 314 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: a seat. If you're not doing well, within a couple 315 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 1: of races or a season, you're out of there. They're 316 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: known notoriously known for kind of signing people very quickly 317 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: and dropping them just as quickly. I think for that 318 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:00,959 Speaker 1: of teams, they really try to push that the drivers 319 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: worked together as best as they can to get the 320 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: most points for the team. This is Sarah Levinson and 321 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: motorsports comms expert and F one super fan. Red Bull 322 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: is unique in which they are definitely more driven by 323 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 1: driver first team second. There has definitely always been a 324 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 1: history of really strong rivalry within the team. In the 325 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: past five years, there has been really one main driver, 326 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: which is Max for step In, and a myriad of 327 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: second drivers that they're kind of shifting in to see 328 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: who competes best alongside Max, but also who doesn't get 329 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 1: in his way. A lot of these those second drivers 330 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 1: for Red Bull, they only last a few months before 331 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: they're replaced. They know that they get one shot, one chance, 332 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: and if they don't perform immediately, then they don't get 333 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: to keep that shot. They don't need to keep that chance. Obviously, 334 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: that can create a lot of chaos and just a 335 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 1: lot of rivalry within the team for certain seats and 336 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: and also questions over who gets what. Wow. Okay. The 337 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 1: flip side of this is because they have so many 338 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: people and in and out or whatever is that they 339 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,360 Speaker 1: do in fact find some great talent and many drivers 340 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: on the grid sometimes. I think at one point it 341 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 1: was as many as twelve out of twenty drivers had 342 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: their origin stories kind of infused with Red Bull. So 343 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: they are, in fact, you know, able to produce results. 344 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 1: But it's not because they mentor one kid at a 345 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: time or something. Okay, it kind of comes with pros 346 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 1: and cons uh, And we'll talk about two is the 347 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,479 Speaker 1: issue of um some of the leadership is pretty mouthy 348 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 1: about what's going on with their drivers and and their 349 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 1: their Their leadership has no problem saying when they've got 350 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: an issue with their own drivers, which also is probably 351 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: not great for the psyche of young athletes, as you 352 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: can probably attest. Yeah, who's running the show at red Bull? 353 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: Who's the toto at Red Bull? And I'm sure he 354 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: would love to be described that way. I'm sure Christian 355 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 1: is going to just completely melt into a puddle comparison 356 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: through the podcast listening device, exactly exactly. So there's two 357 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: names that will typically pop up in F one media 358 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: when it comes to Red Bull. Unfortunately it's not Adrian Newey, 359 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: who is your high favorite person. Uh So the two 360 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: names are going to be Christian Horner. He is the 361 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 1: team principal, so he's number one. And the second name 362 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: we're going to hear a lot is Helmett Marco, who 363 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: is a former racing driver himself. He's an official advisor 364 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,959 Speaker 1: to the team and he also runs their young driver's program, 365 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 1: so he's really in charge of finding the talent and 366 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 1: cultivating the talent and often also dumping the talent when 367 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: they are not doing well. Both are known for quite 368 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: a bit of ship stirring. But anyway, so let's start 369 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: with Christian. He's definitely one of the younger team principles 370 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: and was much younger when he first came on as 371 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: Red Bulls team principal. He's been there from pretty much 372 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: the beginning, how badly mixed things up? Of it with 373 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: a little bit of spice. J just spice to the exact. 374 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: A fun fact about him, He's married to Jerry how Well, 375 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: who many Gen xers and millennials will known as Ginger 376 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: Spice of the Spice Girls. You had teased that last time? 377 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: Check come Jerry Honah. From what I can see a Christian. 378 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: He he doesn't shy away from a camera, definitely does 379 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 1: not and always puts his own spin on things. Sure, 380 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: I think he's needs to see a psychiatrist personally. But 381 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: if you weren't an F one team boss, what would 382 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: you be? Um? I wanted to be a stunt driver 383 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 1: when I was younger, So um, maybe a bit of 384 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: modeling as well. You know, I don't need to go 385 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: to dinner with Toto. You know, I don't need to 386 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: kiss his ass or anything like that. You know what 387 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: it means in Mexico, You know what it means big. 388 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: There are people who really do like Christians whole stick, 389 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: and there are people who really don't. He did recently 390 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: say when asked about the rise and popularity of F one, 391 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 1: he said, oh, yes, you know, young girls are really 392 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 1: loving the sport for all of the you know, the 393 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 1: hot drivers is paraphrasing, but that was the sentiment, and 394 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: that did not go over well with a certain subset 395 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: of Formula one fans. What's an odd thing to say? 396 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: Which subset didn't like that? In a world of Christian horners, 397 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: BA Lewis Hamilton's that's Christian. He kind of stinks to 398 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: me of do as I say, not as I do. 399 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 1: Kind of stinks of like, hey, I I I placed last, 400 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: but here's what you have to do to place first. 401 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: That's why I've had some of these coaches or whatever 402 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 1: you call it. Keep in mind, I've known this guy 403 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 1: for six minutes. Yeah, that's Christian and Christians right hand 404 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: man Helmon Marco. Helmont Marco was a fantastic driver back 405 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,719 Speaker 1: in the day. He raced Formula one. He won the 406 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: twenty four of lament Rice, one of the most difficult 407 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: races in the world, and he managed to still win that. 408 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: And now he manages the talent through Ripple and that's 409 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: fine because obviously he sort of knows the sport and 410 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 1: knows talent when he sees it. First and last name 411 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: Josh Rible and can you give me sort of your 412 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: who you are in the world of Formula one and motorsports? Jeez, 413 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: I guess um probably would proclaim myself as the informative 414 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: jester of Formula one YouTube, presenting things in a way 415 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: that is colloquial and somewhat demented at times. So Helmet 416 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 1: definitely is known for more than a few controversial statements. 417 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: A good afternoon with Helmett Marco is for him to 418 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 1: call you up after the races say that you're a 419 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: waste of life. And that's how he tends to motivate 420 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: his drivers. He's um, he's like that, He's he's an US. 421 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 1: But you know, at the same time, you look at 422 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: the turnover of drivers who have been in the academy 423 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: and got an over into Formula one, and it's high. 424 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 1: I think it's like there are about six drivers on 425 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 1: the current grid who have been through the Rebel program 426 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: at some point. There are quite a lot of those 427 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 1: drivers out there and what they're doing is existful. They do, 428 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 1: in fact find some great talent. At one point it 429 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: was as many as twelve out of twenty drivers had 430 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 1: their origin stories kind of infused with Red Bull. So 431 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: they are, in fact, you know, able to produce results. 432 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, there are a 433 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 1: lot of people that don't like these characters. And I'm 434 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 1: I'm not saying I don't like them either. I just 435 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: look at them and I just think I've seen better 436 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 1: humans in my life. I'll just put it that way. 437 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 1: You know, I'm getting the sense that this is such 438 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: high pressure with such ego, and so you're gonna get 439 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: some pressure having to be released all the time, from 440 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 1: a Helmet to a Christian, to the driver to the 441 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 1: Formula one governing body. So I would think the people 442 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: that are best successful in the teams that are best 443 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: successful are willing to let some of this ego flaring exist. 444 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: So if you're Christian and you've got Helmet and he's 445 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: awesome for your team, but he does kind of flare, 446 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 1: sometimes you kind of have to let it happen, I 447 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: would think. And often too, they're not the most aware bunch, 448 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 1: and Formula One are well informed. So whereas we might say, hey, Helmet, 449 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: that that comment was kind of xenophobic, you know, it 450 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: doesn't even register for Christian if he even hears the comment. Right. 451 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 1: You know, the first video I saw of Christian, he 452 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,199 Speaker 1: was riding a horse. The second video I saw was 453 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,719 Speaker 1: him skeet shooting. You know, these are not this is 454 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 1: not socially progressive, woke sport. And in some ways, I 455 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 1: as a consumer appreciate, like I said as before, that 456 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: they're just kind of in this lane bubble and they're 457 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 1: and they're just doing just fine with it. Yeah. I 458 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: don't think Christians losing sleep at night over these questions. 459 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 1: Are these issues? Yeah, quick break and we're back. So 460 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: so what are you thinking? As we kind of wrap 461 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: up the team portion of this two parter, I really 462 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: like that Red Bull has a team. I like that 463 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: it's two dollars and fifty sense that we can get 464 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: it at the bodega down the street, and that brand 465 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 1: has a Formula One team because Mercedes isn't like that. 466 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 1: Christian seems like a lot of coaches I've had that 467 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: are mad all the time, but really it's because they're 468 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 1: just not winning. I mean, a really competitive coach is 469 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 1: piste off all the time about something, even if they're 470 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 1: number one, they're mad that practice didn't go well. Today. 471 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 1: They're always piste. So I get it, and I think 472 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: some of its stick. I think some of us trying 473 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: to get his play, you know, fake it till you 474 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: make it. But are they the team for me? I 475 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 1: don't know, and I don't know enough about I need 476 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: to know about the drivers and if my senses, Max 477 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: rubs people the wrong way? Also, is that right? So 478 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if maybe this team, uh, maybe this team 479 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: is a lot of birds of a feather stick together 480 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 1: type thing. But I'm excited to see who is actually 481 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: in the car racing. Well, we have got quite an 482 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 1: episode coming for you. Come on. So yeah, So next 483 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: next episode, we are continuing on with our journey to 484 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 1: the Red Bull team, and we have got two very 485 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: different drivers. We've got a guy who, depending on who 486 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: you talked to, is either you know, the next Michael Schumacher, 487 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 1: Lewis Hamilton's type. Other people might say he's one of 488 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: the villains, if not the villain of the grid. You're 489 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: talking about Max, Yeah, yeah, because he's got the jawline 490 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: of doc, he's got the face on there. And then 491 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: you have another driver who is really chill, playing second fiddle, 492 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 1: which is a very interesting dynamic. He's kind of a 493 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: good guy, the family guy. And uh and yeah, they're 494 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,880 Speaker 1: two very different drivers who are kind of stuck together 495 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: on this team. I think Red Bull has done an 496 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 1: excellent job branding and marketing themselves from start to finish. 497 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,360 Speaker 1: I at first thought this was an odd pairing formula one, 498 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 1: but it is so extreme, it is so high pressure. 499 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: The logo of Red Bull are two red Bulls charging 500 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: each other, and it makes sense. Totally makes sense. Michael Costa, 501 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: you know, Hi, anything you wanted us to add or 502 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: to say, Walter, that's a rat, buddy. Do you even 503 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: know this dog is here? No? I kept forgetting it 504 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 1: and be like, oh, yeah, there is a tiny creature. 505 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: This has been Choosing Size F one, a production of 506 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated Studios and I Heart Radio. The show was 507 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 1: hosted by Michael Costa and Lily Harp. This episode was 508 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 1: produced by Lily Herman and our senior producer Hi Mi Tao, 509 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: who also did the sound design at the Cutting room Studios. 510 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: We are recorded by engineer Robot Leary, the second mastering 511 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: by Cello Weisblu. Max Miller is the executive producer and 512 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: Brennan get just his head of Audio at SI Studios. 513 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: At I Heart Radio, Sean Titone is our executive producer. 514 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: For more podcast us from My Heart Radio, visit the 515 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get 516 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: your podcasts, and don't forget to rate us and tell 517 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: your friends. 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