Speaker 1: On the Doe Cast, the questions asked if movies have
Speaker 1: women in um, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,
Speaker 1: or do they have individualism the patriarchy and best start
Speaker 1: changing it with the Betel Cast. Welcome to the Bechtel Cast.
Speaker 1: Here we are again. We're talking about movies about girls.
Speaker 1: My name is Jamie, my name is Caitlin. Here we are, here,
Speaker 1: we are Thanks for tuning in. I don't think we've
Speaker 1: ever introduced it that way before. That wasn't the right
Speaker 1: way to do it well, or talk about girls in movies.
Speaker 1: And sometimes they're treated real mean. Sometimes they are, sometimes
Speaker 1: they're not. Usually though they are usually that they are,
Speaker 1: but sometimes they get to wear a tank top and
Speaker 1: you can see the shape of their nipples. This podcast
Speaker 1: is inspired by the Bechtel Test. If you don't know
Speaker 1: what it is, I'll try to say it really really fast. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I yell, you're like clenching. I loves Yes, I am
Speaker 1: like we're in a ludicrous video. Or I'm going to
Speaker 1: reward myself with a swig of it as soon as
Speaker 1: I do a very good job describing what The Bechdel
Speaker 1: test is is a test that is applied to movies.
Speaker 1: A thing will pass the test if there are two
Speaker 1: women talking to each other about something other than a man.
Speaker 1: I have to have names. Yes, Oh yeah, we change.
Speaker 1: Actors have to have changed the rules. We used to
Speaker 1: be like we're but then we're like, we're firm this rule.
Speaker 1: Now we're firm all right here? That do you hear that?
Speaker 1: This is the lid going on? God, you're so brave.
Speaker 1: I do feel like we should maybe like just rehash
Speaker 1: the date we went on over the weekend. Yes, really quick,
Speaker 1: let's do that. Oh, you also have to tell your
Speaker 1: bus story? Oh, because this is yes. And I also
Speaker 1: wanted to say that I bought uh tickets to a
Speaker 1: monster truck rally for just me on Saturday. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: treat myself very nice. I never been to a monster
Speaker 1: truck rally. Is it like for work or do you
Speaker 1: have to write a piece on it or you just Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had to get someone to pay. I want to
Speaker 1: pay for it, but I was like, I could drive
Speaker 1: to Anna. I'm not got the time. I'm going to
Speaker 1: go see a monster truck rally. That's terrific. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I'll probably get a new boyfriend there. He's like
Speaker 1: that he's like a good place to scout. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: we did go to a place in it where what
Speaker 1: was in Korea Town okay, called Cafe Jack on Saturday night. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I've been there. You've been there? Really? Oh? It is sorry? Okay?
Speaker 1: Can we can we bring her guests into the discussion
Speaker 1: because I would love to hear. Okay, So our guest
Speaker 1: today is Paige Weld, and she's wonderful. She's a writer,
Speaker 1: she's a comedian, and she's band a Cafe Jack. Yeah, hello,
Speaker 1: thanks for being here. What's going on? You went to a
Speaker 1: a Cafe Jack? Yeah, we did, because we did, uh
Speaker 1: the Titanic episode last week, because you heard it was
Speaker 1: about we didn't know. I did not know that part
Speaker 1: about it. I thought it was like a swanky, cool
Speaker 1: like lounge. E. It's none of those words describe what
Speaker 1: it at all. It is. It's like even worse than
Speaker 1: a dive. Somehow, were there other people there when you went?
Speaker 1: There were very few other people there? Okay? Same? It
Speaker 1: was Yeah, I think that there might have been people there,
Speaker 1: but they also might have worked there. It wasn't clear.
Speaker 1: I thought it was freezing in there. It was freezing.
Speaker 1: There was one other group of diners there with us.
Speaker 1: It's like an Asian fusion restaurant that's shaped like Titanic
Speaker 1: and it there's a lot of laser jet printer pictures
Speaker 1: from the Titanic movie framed around the restaurant. My favorite
Speaker 1: part was they have if you're if, it's like an
Speaker 1: intimate like we started in one of these intimate boots,
Speaker 1: but it was like sticky everywhere, so we moved um
Speaker 1: to a much greasier greasier but they're Leonardo. But they
Speaker 1: had these little like rooms, those little weird compartments, and
Speaker 1: then there was one of them where there was just
Speaker 1: like an unfinished wall, it is just like drywall, and
Speaker 1: then nailed to it was a poster for Curious George,
Speaker 1: like the one that came out in two thousands six,
Speaker 1: and it was framed and that was my favorite one.
Speaker 1: I went there on a date because we heard there
Speaker 1: was frozen yogurt. I have received a text that was
Speaker 1: would you like to get from you on this at
Speaker 1: this restaurant that shaped like a boat, And I was like,
Speaker 1: I would love to. And then we got there and
Speaker 1: we went into one of they like led us into
Speaker 1: one of those rooms. It was like huge and there
Speaker 1: was just two of us and we were very uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: And then we moved out into another area and I
Speaker 1: felt like the woman was upset that we did. But
Speaker 1: there was no frozen yogurt and stuff. We got sushi.
Speaker 1: Theories that they ordered sushi from a different restaurant and
Speaker 1: bring it deep because the pictures did not line up.
Speaker 1: We got the Titanic role and the Jack Rose role.
Speaker 1: The Titanic role in the picture was blue. What we
Speaker 1: ate was not blue. I could have also just been
Speaker 1: like poor the printed menus. It was totally coloration. Really,
Speaker 1: we would even be blue on a sushi roll. I
Speaker 1: thought maybe sprinkles. Well, either way, we went on a
Speaker 1: fun little date to Cafe Jack. We did. We had
Speaker 1: a great time. Good date. Um, we are here to
Speaker 1: talk about another movie that's not Titanic. Unfortunately, I just
Speaker 1: wish we could talk about it for every episode we might.
Speaker 1: There's more to be said. Uh yeah, there's a bunch
Speaker 1: of things that I wanted to say and I didn't say.
Speaker 1: But we'll get to that later on another Titanic episode.
Speaker 1: For now, we are here with Page and we're talking
Speaker 1: about the movie. Heathers. Yeah, so Paige tell us about like,
Speaker 1: why why did you pick this movie? What it means
Speaker 1: to you? When did you first see it? I picked
Speaker 1: it because I've seen it like a zillion times. Is
Speaker 1: one of my favorite movies in high school growing up.
Speaker 1: I just always loved it and it was just one
Speaker 1: of the first ones that came to mind. Yeah, when
Speaker 1: so you first saw when you were in high school
Speaker 1: maybe middle school? I was pretty cool. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I saw it first in like early high school,
Speaker 1: and I remember thinking it was like the coolest movie ever.
Speaker 1: I thought I had also seen it before, and then
Speaker 1: I rewatched it and nothing was familiar about it at all,
Speaker 1: Like part of me things that I might have seen
Speaker 1: an episode of that cartoon I think it's called Recess
Speaker 1: where they have all the different Ashley's, and I think
Speaker 1: I was confusing that for the movie Heathers. It was
Speaker 1: very different than I remembered like watching it. However, I
Speaker 1: guess almost ten years later is like it was like
Speaker 1: watching a totally different movie, and I didn't like it
Speaker 1: as much this time. It's like it made me feel weird.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but if I used to think it
Speaker 1: was the dopest thing ever that I wanted to, you know,
Speaker 1: in mouth. Yeah, I can kill my oppressors the whole day.
Speaker 1: Christians later is very charming. Yes, he's terrifying. He is
Speaker 1: so scary. Uh. And so when's the last time you
Speaker 1: saw it? I probably would have watched it, like maybe
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, but I feel like I've
Speaker 1: watched it so many times in my life. But I
Speaker 1: don't think I ever really even had a chance to
Speaker 1: get enough distance from it that i'd rewatch it and
Speaker 1: feel differently. I just always felt that, right, this is
Speaker 1: the best. Caitlin did not like, I don't like. Oh now,
Speaker 1: I don't know, because I started rewatching it again and
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, it's the first like half,
Speaker 1: isn't I feel like it falls apart at a certain
Speaker 1: point and then I have a really hard time connecting
Speaker 1: with any of the characters, and by the end, like
Speaker 1: no one is redeemable for me. But there are some
Speaker 1: like specific things I like about it. For example, I
Speaker 1: like that there's the running joke that any time someone
Speaker 1: is like addressing a Heather, they all know exactly which
Speaker 1: one she's talking about. Uh. I like that. I like
Speaker 1: a few different lines of dialogue, like yeah, the dial
Speaker 1: guess so fun. Has its own slang. Yeah, that's cool,
Speaker 1: it'll be very very what just very? But you know
Speaker 1: what they mean. Yeah, I know exactly what they mean.
Speaker 1: I very know what they mean. Good job, thank you
Speaker 1: you did it. One of my favorite lines of dialogue
Speaker 1: is did you have a brain tumor? For breakfast? So fun?
Speaker 1: So I like a few different like some of the
Speaker 1: running jokes are good and fun, but overall, I think
Speaker 1: my main problem with it is that I just don't
Speaker 1: find any of the characters redeemable enough for me to
Speaker 1: connect to the story, which I know is kind of
Speaker 1: the point. Like everyone's terrible in this movie, and the
Speaker 1: terrible see I think she is. And I know that
Speaker 1: I'm probably wrong about this. And I took to Facebook
Speaker 1: and I said, Hey, why people hated I was? And
Speaker 1: I tried to pose the question sincerely, and I think
Speaker 1: did not come off soundings sincere. But I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: just curious, why do you like this movie? Idiots? Uh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that that was the part where you lost Um,
Speaker 1: I know I left out the idiots part. I was
Speaker 1: just like, why do you like this movie? And then
Speaker 1: I think it probably sounded very snarky, and then everyone
Speaker 1: got very mad. At me and they're like it's so brilliant. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't think that Veronica is a bad person. She
Speaker 1: just made me very sad a lot of the movie.
Speaker 1: And I think that I think she's like not, she's
Speaker 1: like dumb. She like there are so many parts of
Speaker 1: this movie where it's like, Okay, this this script has
Speaker 1: it's a very specific logic of how this world works.
Speaker 1: But there were some times where I'm like this, this
Speaker 1: girl is keeping an active diary of a number of melodies.
Speaker 1: What an insane thing to do. She could not be
Speaker 1: acting more guilty in school. Yeah, I think that's why
Speaker 1: high school is the ideal time to watch it, because
Speaker 1: you're like, I am also the dumb That's what I
Speaker 1: would do too. And I feel like that's like that's
Speaker 1: maybe why it's hard to like her, because she's a
Speaker 1: stupid teenager. Yeah, it's someone who has Like when I
Speaker 1: watched it in high school, I didn't think she was
Speaker 1: dumb at all. I thought she was like awesome. It
Speaker 1: was like, of course she's keeping a diary, yeah, want
Speaker 1: not only that she's seeing these other these friends of
Speaker 1: hers who are behaving horribly. They're like really mean, they're bullies.
Speaker 1: Basically not. Oh my god. There are parts when I
Speaker 1: think they're being mean to each other, but because I
Speaker 1: don't have a very good understanding of how croquet works,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I think they're being mean, but I don't
Speaker 1: know how this. Hey, can I try the summery this time? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Please do? Okay, okay, okay. So Heather's is a movie
Speaker 1: about four friends, three Heathers. One Veronica. Veronica is our
Speaker 1: pro tag She's she's not like the other girls. She's
Speaker 1: brunette and uh she but she hangs out with them.
Speaker 1: But she's isn't Shannon Darty. She's like technically like a
Speaker 1: red she's auburn. Yeah, and she's also like the most beliemic.
Speaker 1: Which that scene where when the writer makes she had
Speaker 1: a Darty throw up, I almost wish we got to
Speaker 1: see it. Anyways, Um, so they're like the most popular
Speaker 1: girls in school. They they you know, own everybody. And
Speaker 1: then Veronica meets Christians later don't remember his name, j
Speaker 1: D j D of course, who is like pretty much
Speaker 1: a standard uh nineties trench code killer who draws her
Speaker 1: into a very toxic, weird relationship and they start to
Speaker 1: kill everyone they don't like at the high school and
Speaker 1: it's a metaphor for something. Yeah, when they're framing it
Speaker 1: as suicides though, so they have to keep up this
Speaker 1: idea that the people are murdering have actually committed suicide. Right.
Speaker 1: There's one thing I thought was interesting, just to like,
Speaker 1: for just jump right into the gender stuff, is that
Speaker 1: the girls and boys at this high school are all
Speaker 1: equally stupid, which is nice because it would be very
Speaker 1: easy to be like, oh, like, you know, the heathers
Speaker 1: are so vapid and and secure and all this stuff,
Speaker 1: but like the the guys, like at any high school,
Speaker 1: are just as bad, uh, and just express it in
Speaker 1: different ways. So I liked that that was cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everyone's dumb, everyone, including the adults. Yeah, the adults are
Speaker 1: very dumb. They're those a few scenes where like the
Speaker 1: faculty are meeting about what to do about these students suicides,
Speaker 1: and the ones like let's just all hold hands and
Speaker 1: sing about love, and then everyone else is like, shut up,
Speaker 1: you're dumb, hippie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was that was weird.
Speaker 1: The reason that I don't really like Veronica is that
Speaker 1: she's seeing her friends display like this horrible behavior being
Speaker 1: bullies and like the Martha Dunstock character. They're very mean
Speaker 1: to her, and she sees this happening and you can
Speaker 1: tell she is uncomfortable with it, but she still is
Speaker 1: very like complicit in this behavior. And just like high schools,
Speaker 1: school is that you decide who is going to give
Speaker 1: you the most like social cachet. So like it reminds
Speaker 1: me sort of sort of similar to like freaks and geeks,
Speaker 1: like how Lindsay we Are starts hanging out with those
Speaker 1: cool kids and stops talking to her friend and she
Speaker 1: knows that, like she doesn't really know if it's like
Speaker 1: the morally right thing to do. Obviously, this is a
Speaker 1: more like cartoonish extreme version, but I get that of
Speaker 1: like you have people maybe you're friends with when you're younger,
Speaker 1: and you know that it's wrong to ditch them, but
Speaker 1: you also desperately want to be cool, and being friends
Speaker 1: with the Heather's allows Veronica to be cool and go
Speaker 1: to college parties and do whatever she thinks she's supposed
Speaker 1: to be doing to be like a cool kid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like watching those scenes with Martha, those are like so
Speaker 1: hard to watch because I don't know, like there is
Speaker 1: definitely a time and my high school experience where I
Speaker 1: could see myself doing that, and even though it's like
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm a bad person, but I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, if any I don't know, I just go
Speaker 1: back and like, man, if Samantha Honeywell's approval was on
Speaker 1: the line, I might be a real jackass to someone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he might even regret it immediately, but you would
Speaker 1: do it right right, because it's like the immediate social
Speaker 1: survival or whatever. Um. Yeah, that that was hard to watch,
Speaker 1: but I think it for me, it was like because
Speaker 1: it was real. Yeah, it hurt my feelings. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm just a wonderful person who's never been mean anyone.
Speaker 1: That's definitely not true, but like I've been a dick
Speaker 1: to people, but I don't. I still just despite what
Speaker 1: I know about like people wanting to fit in and
Speaker 1: be with the popular kids and do anything to to
Speaker 1: elevate their social status, especially in high school, I just
Speaker 1: couldn't find Veronica to be redeemable at all. And maybe
Speaker 1: it's just because I hadn't seen it as a younger
Speaker 1: person and like just watched it recently. But god, she's
Speaker 1: supposed to be at sixteen or seventeen. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: they're juniors. I think, yeah, I don't know. I I
Speaker 1: felt for Veronica. I mean, she's an idiot. She's the
Speaker 1: dumbest at certain parts, like that when when j D is,
Speaker 1: you know, convincing her to kill a second set of
Speaker 1: people they've already killed Heather and he's like, no, but
Speaker 1: this one is that these are German, but it's like
Speaker 1: the first one. He also makes it look like he
Speaker 1: was kidding and it was an accident too, right, it
Speaker 1: does she really It's well, it's two things. That's one.
Speaker 1: I think she probably at least partially knows that it's
Speaker 1: it's real, but like it's allowing her to have like
Speaker 1: an excuse like I didn't know. Yeah, I feel like
Speaker 1: she does kind of play dumb because I think she
Speaker 1: does potentially maybe want them dead, or at least she
Speaker 1: said so in her diary. She's also doing the same
Speaker 1: thing with j D that she does with the Heathers,
Speaker 1: where it's just next day or like now, this is
Speaker 1: what I think is cool, So I'm going to do
Speaker 1: whatever this person wants so I can keep hanging out
Speaker 1: with this person. And she does kind of hate them
Speaker 1: all my friends. It's one of my favorite I don't
Speaker 1: really like my friends. There's that, and right after the
Speaker 1: first Heather dies, she's like, oh my god, I killed
Speaker 1: my best friend, and Jad's like Andrew worst enemy, and
Speaker 1: she's like same difference, drama. I don't know. I feel
Speaker 1: like I was reading through my notes on the way
Speaker 1: over here and I was like, oh, I was slowly
Speaker 1: unraveling as I watched this movie, because I did watch
Speaker 1: this movie in a bus station, so that the WiFi
Speaker 1: in the bus station was great. Oh, but I didn't
Speaker 1: have my I you know, you know, like you look
Speaker 1: at something you wrote and you're like, oh, my butt
Speaker 1: was really sore when I was writing this. Um so there.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like, this movie came out in nineteen eight,
Speaker 1: and it's weird. I don't know. There's like, there were
Speaker 1: a lot of parts of this movie that really like
Speaker 1: made me feel terrible and dare I say trigger triggered?
Speaker 1: I could see how many scenes in this movie would
Speaker 1: be triggering. I hate using that word seriously, but I
Speaker 1: think that might view then what was happening, because there's well,
Speaker 1: it's like two things. This came out in eight eight,
Speaker 1: and Christians Later is pretty much playing me. I dealized
Speaker 1: school shooter, like the fucking crazy, full on wearing a
Speaker 1: trench coat talking about you know this psychotic bullshit about
Speaker 1: you know, society and why everyone should just be fucking
Speaker 1: eradicated man whatever. And it's not anyone's fault, but it's
Speaker 1: is weird to watch this movie and and see um
Speaker 1: and like with the knowledge of how many similar things
Speaker 1: happened in like the twenty years after that movie came out,
Speaker 1: and like there were plenty of movies I feel like
Speaker 1: that came out that were very like teenager destructive stuff
Speaker 1: like that in like the eighties and nineties. But it
Speaker 1: was just I don't know, like certain things that he
Speaker 1: was saying. I was like, this feels like some Columbine ship,
Speaker 1: Like it just didn't At the time, it was like
Speaker 1: it's funny, but I didn't. I don't know, it was
Speaker 1: just weird to think about. I well, the scenes that
Speaker 1: I thought that you were maybe going to talk about
Speaker 1: regarding being triggered, the multiple scenes where a man is
Speaker 1: forcing himself on a woman and she's like violently fighting
Speaker 1: back and he's just like very aggressively trying to kiss
Speaker 1: her and or have sex with her. It happens I
Speaker 1: think at least three times with like three different sounds
Speaker 1: of characters. Um, that's see where Heather gives the blowjob
Speaker 1: to impress the college boys. So sad, sad, and then
Speaker 1: afterwards she like takes a drink of water and spits
Speaker 1: it on the mirror and it's like, oh dude, uck. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that that one was dinner. I was just like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'll be sad. I know she's going to die. I'm
Speaker 1: having a really hard time processing this movie in terms
Speaker 1: of like what we talk about on this podcast. Usually
Speaker 1: so far the movies have been very like, oh, this
Speaker 1: movie objectively treats the women bad, like there's pretty much
Speaker 1: no question about it, or like this movie does a
Speaker 1: pretty good job. This one. I like don't really know
Speaker 1: how to what to say about it or how to
Speaker 1: discuss it because part of me is like, Okay, it
Speaker 1: boils down to this group of women who are very
Speaker 1: terrible to each other. They're best friends, but they also
Speaker 1: like hate each other and they bully each other. So
Speaker 1: that's like not a fun thing to see on screen,
Speaker 1: or like that's not a great way for women to
Speaker 1: be portrayed, because that is a huge trope where women
Speaker 1: are like women on women crime or hatred or violent
Speaker 1: or just like meanness is like never great. But I
Speaker 1: also think I'm missing the point when I watch this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's shitty and everyone in this movie is mean, Like
Speaker 1: I don't know. That didn't bother me too much, like
Speaker 1: the and and I feel like I don't know, like
Speaker 1: the scene where Heather goes down in the college boy,
Speaker 1: like it's written so that we know that it's not
Speaker 1: being endorsed, Like it looks wrong. Like nothing anyone does
Speaker 1: in this movie is being endorsed as the right thing
Speaker 1: to do, except maybe the ending that she cuts him
Speaker 1: out of her life, and like which is out to Martha, Um,
Speaker 1: oh my god when Martha speaks what happened? I guess
Speaker 1: part of why I don't I mean, just like watching
Speaker 1: so any like scene after scene, it's just hard to
Speaker 1: watch of like people being horrible at each other. I
Speaker 1: think it's just a big part of why I don't
Speaker 1: like this movie, just because I don't like that type
Speaker 1: of here's the fun thing they do a lot in
Speaker 1: this movie that made me laugh constantly. When Veronica and
Speaker 1: j D are about to kill someone, Uh, it's usually
Speaker 1: in the dead to night, and they're always yelling like
Speaker 1: kitchen someone they're about to murder. It happens like three
Speaker 1: separate times, and one time it's a dream. But for
Speaker 1: the most part they just walk in speaking at full volume, like,
Speaker 1: so what should we do? Do you want to put
Speaker 1: bleach in the coffee? What you want to do? And
Speaker 1: they immediately like that genuinely maybe laugh. Also steampunk alert,
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't notice, uh this, well, it's a reach.
Speaker 1: But when note rider wears a monocle for a lot
Speaker 1: of this movie, yes, that is pretty steam. This is
Speaker 1: our this is our episode. Lee. Reminder that we do
Speaker 1: not enduse steampunk or steampunk culture for yourself, Jamie, I
Speaker 1: love it. We I told you about. Okay, So this
Speaker 1: was actually the weekend when I saw this movie, when
Speaker 1: I saw that steampunk demonstration taking place in San Francisco,
Speaker 1: and I almost killed myself on the street. I was
Speaker 1: so mad. I think I've already mentioned this in another episode.
Speaker 1: But he was. The guy was wearing like a suede
Speaker 1: vest and goggles and he had these accordion stilts. It
Speaker 1: was horrifying. You did mention that. I know, I know,
Speaker 1: but this was it was really bad. I've got picks.
Speaker 1: I've got picks. But that was upsetting. It another trigger
Speaker 1: I'm so trigger hashtag trigger, but I do I This
Speaker 1: is a tough movie because you don't want to overthink
Speaker 1: what is very clearly like a satire black so many
Speaker 1: kind of thing. But I mean Veronic and j D's
Speaker 1: relationship is insane, like the way that it unfold and
Speaker 1: like how close it is to like real life abusive,
Speaker 1: horrible relationships. Like there were some points in the movie
Speaker 1: where because the guy who wrote this his name is
Speaker 1: Daniel Waters, straight white man, uh, and he was pretty
Speaker 1: young when he wrote it. He's like in his twenties,
Speaker 1: to the point where I'm like, does he fully realize
Speaker 1: like what he's doing? Like by there were certain lines
Speaker 1: that you know, I was just like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: Like it just is like a punch in the gut
Speaker 1: where Christians later saying things like you'll be back and
Speaker 1: and ship like that. What else is there? Oh where
Speaker 1: he basically says like you knew or like deep down
Speaker 1: what we were doing, which arguably could be true but
Speaker 1: also could be an extremely high level gaslight move. Um.
Speaker 1: Also upsetting is that you you realize that he's just
Speaker 1: been doing this for like his entire adolescence. Just going
Speaker 1: to different high schools, and that's why he's like, you'll
Speaker 1: be back because he's probably done that to other girls
Speaker 1: at other high schools right right. And it's like it's oh,
Speaker 1: there's another allusion to that too, where when they're writing
Speaker 1: the first us I note for Heather, he says something
Speaker 1: and she's like, oh, that's good. Have you done this before?
Speaker 1: And first the audience is like wow, but I don't know,
Speaker 1: and then we're like, oh, yeah, he probably has well.
Speaker 1: I think also a really interesting scene in the movie
Speaker 1: that I've forgot about us when you you meet his
Speaker 1: dad when she goes over to their house and you're like, fun,
Speaker 1: straight up like mom, like that that is a weird reveal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, you find out I think the next scene
Speaker 1: where you meet him that he is like basically coming
Speaker 1: in his pants about the demolition of a hotel that
Speaker 1: he really wanted to be demolished, and he's like, we
Speaker 1: got those bitches, and then he like shows a VHS
Speaker 1: tape of the hotel falling over and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: this guy is also a crazy person, all right, which
Speaker 1: is an interesting movie move to be like. Listen, Christians
Speaker 1: later comes by this honestly, maybe give him a chance.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, he's still terrible. But well, but that's
Speaker 1: what makes the movie interesting is that you know, objectively,
Speaker 1: you're obviously like, run away from this guy. But it
Speaker 1: wouldn't be interesting if there were no intriguing qualities about
Speaker 1: him that make her like keep going back for sure.
Speaker 1: For instance, his dad is crazy and he is hot.
Speaker 1: Sometimes that it also was a motorcycle, doesn't That's pretty crucial.
Speaker 1: There's one line where he says all I need is
Speaker 1: like tequila in my sax. I wrote that down because
Speaker 1: I was like, if someone said that to me, I'd
Speaker 1: be very wet, would come immediately, especially in high school,
Speaker 1: would have really got me. Tequila in my sax. Come on.
Speaker 1: He loves classical music, he's a great guy, weird, he's
Speaker 1: not like the other boys. Well, and that's what like,
Speaker 1: part of what divides her from her friends is that
Speaker 1: they're all like he's weird, and she's like, yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 1: You guys just don't get it. And he's poised as
Speaker 1: being until he demonstrates these like very homicidal qualities part
Speaker 1: way through the movie. Before then you're like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: can totally see why she likes him. Think that if
Speaker 1: she didn't meet j D, she would have just wrote
Speaker 1: out the rest of high school being friends with the others,
Speaker 1: I would imagine, So I don't know, I mean, I
Speaker 1: could see her getting She seems pretty frustrated at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the movie, but maybe she would have found
Speaker 1: a less destructive She seems like so willing to go
Speaker 1: with whoever's influence that if she met someone who was
Speaker 1: like not a psychopath that she connected with, maybe things
Speaker 1: would have turned out fine. But I seem like she's
Speaker 1: kind of done with her friends at the beginning. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, she was in a vulnerable place where
Speaker 1: this guy showing up it was really easy to just
Speaker 1: right like that could have been anyone, Like yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: the thing is, I feel like, you know, when you
Speaker 1: watch high school movies or you think about high school
Speaker 1: in general, you think about like the groups, like people
Speaker 1: who actually did things as opposed to like I really
Speaker 1: relate to Veronica because I like didn't I didn't do
Speaker 1: anything in high school. I just was like a person.
Speaker 1: So you're that's the person that's super easy to just
Speaker 1: like latch onto different groups or people and make that
Speaker 1: your personality. I think that that's a really interesting thing.
Speaker 1: But I also I do think that if she didn't
Speaker 1: meet j D, she probably would have just stayed friends
Speaker 1: with them and been miserable until she graduated. Well, if
Speaker 1: it's anything like the movie Mean Girls, which is basically
Speaker 1: a two thousand's version of this movie, Uh, they're all juniors,
Speaker 1: but when they become seniors, they're like, oh, we're better
Speaker 1: than this now. I remember when we're not plastic. I
Speaker 1: was like, you, guys, this is just Heathers. You guys
Speaker 1: don't know. I thought it was very cool. There's another
Speaker 1: movie that came out in between the two draw Breaker
Speaker 1: that I feel like it's quite similar to us. Did
Speaker 1: you see it? It's about a movie, a movie about
Speaker 1: It's about a movie. How do you Talk again? Um?
Speaker 1: And apparently already a little drunk from this Hennessey. It's about, uh,
Speaker 1: this group of girlfriends who like pretend kidnapped their friend
Speaker 1: and like put a jawbreaker in her mouth and like
Speaker 1: tape it so that she doesn't talk because they're like
Speaker 1: playing some trick on her or something. But it's all
Speaker 1: very benign until she chokes on the jawbreaker and dies,
Speaker 1: and then they'll have to figure out what to do
Speaker 1: with her. Dude, I don't remember what happens after that,
Speaker 1: because it's been a very long time since I've seen it.
Speaker 1: Has anyone seen the Slenderman documentary yet? No, you gotta
Speaker 1: watch it. We can't do a factel test episode on
Speaker 1: it because it really happened. But it's about these two
Speaker 1: twelve year old girls who are like, we believe in
Speaker 1: Slenderman and they murder their friends. Oh, I know the
Speaker 1: story and the name of Slenderman. It, you know, for
Speaker 1: all its faults, it absolutely passes the vactel test, you know,
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of police interviews or they're just
Speaker 1: talking about the Slenderman murders. Slenderman as a man, but
Speaker 1: is he a real man? Does a count of peas
Speaker 1: of made up mythological man? I don't know. But I
Speaker 1: didn't realize that young girls were horny for slender Man
Speaker 1: and that's part of why they killed for him, which
Speaker 1: I was like, that's a whole another level. And also
Speaker 1: that all these murders tie back to a website called
Speaker 1: Creepy Pasta. That's great that I like, I didn't know
Speaker 1: that detail about him. I've seen the documentary twice. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: It's very good. Um Anyways, Oh, I wanted to talk
Speaker 1: about the guy who wrote the movie, um, because he
Speaker 1: weirdly has not done a lot since. Um. Hen There's
Speaker 1: was the first movie he ever wrote. He's written some
Speaker 1: other stuff. The biggest it got was Batman Returns in
Speaker 1: ninety two, and that is the one of the Tim
Speaker 1: Burton ones. Yeah, which is one which I would like
Speaker 1: to say is one degree removed from Joel Schumacher turned
Speaker 1: another Batman movies. That's our Schumacher check for this episode.
Speaker 1: I like how each episode we're piling on more and
Speaker 1: more more ritual things. We got him at and Titanic
Speaker 1: we got to mention. There's a lot of things. The
Speaker 1: last thing he wrote and directed was in two thousand
Speaker 1: fourteen and it was called Vampire, so sort of a
Speaker 1: fault from Grace for our pal Dan Waters, which is
Speaker 1: interesting because it's like there's such a specific movie and
Speaker 1: like the way it's written, it almost seems like he
Speaker 1: could have had like a John Hughesy kind of career
Speaker 1: where it's like, oh, this is the guy that writes
Speaker 1: the subversive teens dark comedy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and but
Speaker 1: you know, and then the endgame is Vampire Academy, which,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe I shouldn't be talking. Maybe it's an
Speaker 1: amazing film. It could be here. Here's the thing, it
Speaker 1: most likely is not. Okay, well there wasn't a point
Speaker 1: to that. But except for I don't know, I'm always
Speaker 1: like a little bit leary of a straight white guy
Speaker 1: writing a movie about young women. UM, for sure, just
Speaker 1: because it's so easy to conflict fact fact in fiction.
Speaker 1: If you're returning to you know, the horny ist, most
Speaker 1: horrible part of your life, uh, and then trying to
Speaker 1: put yourself in the mind of the people you wanted
Speaker 1: to have sex with. Um, it just seems like a
Speaker 1: real challenge. But I I don't know, how did you feel?
Speaker 1: I mean, I felt like he did. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Like this movie is hard. It's very hard to talk
Speaker 1: about in this context. It is. I am also very
Speaker 1: wary of any like straight man who thinks that they
Speaker 1: can I mean, most of the main characters in this
Speaker 1: movie are women. I'm raising my hands because I found
Speaker 1: out something crazy. Tell Us Daniel Waters wrote Heathers. His
Speaker 1: brother Mark Waters directed Mean Girls in two thousand four.
Speaker 1: What the hell that's so weird? He also directed Freaky Friday,
Speaker 1: So he's just a low hand head wild There you go, guys.
Speaker 1: I mean I don't feel like to me, I don't
Speaker 1: think that the characters feel poorly written because they're written,
Speaker 1: especially because it's like, I mean, they're not really like
Speaker 1: women their children. Yeah, well they're also caricatures. And it's
Speaker 1: not just the women that are caricatures, it's everyone in
Speaker 1: a movie, right, And I think that that's why it
Speaker 1: ends up not really being a problem, because it's not
Speaker 1: like a deeply honest depiction of literally anyone. I think
Speaker 1: he sort of ends up being fine, although I will
Speaker 1: say if you look at a picture of him, now,
Speaker 1: crazy come over, insane, like who are you getting? That's
Speaker 1: very unfortunately, very bad Daniels, very very long. Yeah, not
Speaker 1: worth it. Oh boy. Oh there's a bunch of really
Speaker 1: fun Yellie thesis statement kind of dialogue lines, and towards
Speaker 1: the end of this movie is every other thing Christians
Speaker 1: later says is like, Okay, we get it, like you're
Speaker 1: you're a fucking angry young man. The society not to
Speaker 1: any horror the American teenager thinks to bring upon itself
Speaker 1: like grow up and uh what else like because the
Speaker 1: school is society and like that how everything is a
Speaker 1: fucking metaphor for It's it's very tenth grade English, the
Speaker 1: way he interprets the world and why I'm like, this
Speaker 1: is not a fucking Joyce Carol out short story, you
Speaker 1: nut bag. But I love them that. It's it's him
Speaker 1: saying all this ship to a girl who's just looking
Speaker 1: at him like he's a fucking idiot. Like like, if
Speaker 1: he was just saying that and we were just watching it,
Speaker 1: it would be like, maybe not great. But when it's
Speaker 1: posed like that where Veronica is just looking at him,
Speaker 1: like realizing that he has been this idiot the whole time,
Speaker 1: it's is pretty powerful. What's the line? The line what
Speaker 1: do I you know what I need? JD? Cool guys
Speaker 1: like you out of my life or whatever? This is
Speaker 1: just I love that. I love the like, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: a real cool guy. Dude, Like he knows about convenience
Speaker 1: store snacks. That's like what gets Veronica to like him.
Speaker 1: She's like, you know your convenience stores speech because he's
Speaker 1: been a lot of places. Yeah, that's like a like
Speaker 1: his motorcycle. He's a little riff raff, straight rat. I
Speaker 1: like it like he um, no, yeah, I got convenience
Speaker 1: Sturf food on my way over here. Guys, when I
Speaker 1: was getting my card lemonade and stopped at silver Lake
Speaker 1: seven eleven, did they know me there? And I got
Speaker 1: I ordered pizza so bad they didn't make me pay
Speaker 1: for it, like disgusting, and it was disgusting, And he
Speaker 1: was like, on the house, take it, congratulations, you look
Speaker 1: like you really need I need. It's like you look hungry,
Speaker 1: my friends. Going back to the relationship that Veronica and
Speaker 1: j D have, the way it starts is that like
Speaker 1: he just crawls into her window having met her. I
Speaker 1: think prince from a fairy tale. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: I would have loved that. I would have left that.
Speaker 1: You know, when you're a teenager, nothing is cooler than
Speaker 1: sneaking through a window. They do it in Gilmore Girl.
Speaker 1: I think I had a very different high school experience
Speaker 1: than most people than Gilmore Girls. And also my parents
Speaker 1: didn't dislike any of my high school boyfriends, so there
Speaker 1: was no there was no window climbing. Also, we didn't
Speaker 1: have doors in my house for some reason, so window
Speaker 1: climbing would not have gone well. But you didn't have doors.
Speaker 1: There were no doors. I mean there was a front
Speaker 1: door and a back door, but no one's bedrooms had doors,
Speaker 1: even like doors to your bedrooms, there was like no
Speaker 1: door open bathrooms, no doors bathrooms. There were doors, but
Speaker 1: they were broken. You had to jam something up against them.
Speaker 1: That is crazy, I know, especially because when my little
Speaker 1: brother did learn how to masturbate, he did not exercise
Speaker 1: is any discretion in spite of the fact that there
Speaker 1: were no doors, So he would just be going at
Speaker 1: it and you'd walk past. And that was a hard
Speaker 1: summer for me, like my first summer back from college
Speaker 1: and my brother had hit puberty. Why were there doors
Speaker 1: in your house? There were no doors. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't there's to this day, there's no doors. Wow,
Speaker 1: there was no I mean my parents weren't fucking so
Speaker 1: there were no doors. I don't know. I'm baffled. I
Speaker 1: don't know if anyone's ever had sex in my house. Um,
Speaker 1: I mean I started to like pause to think about it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, why would I know the Actually, Okay, i'd
Speaker 1: a house, Jamie, I've gotten to I met your mom.
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, wait, what's her name again? Jill?
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, Jill, do you mind if I
Speaker 1: come over and hang out. I didn't have sex with
Speaker 1: your mom, but I brought someone else sex with someone,
Speaker 1: and she did walk in on us because there were
Speaker 1: no doors. But well I got walked in on once
Speaker 1: in my house. My brother almost caught me like trying
Speaker 1: to lose my virginity, and obviously we had to stop,
Speaker 1: and then he threw up. He was so upset. It
Speaker 1: was just no more running card, no more Runnington parties
Speaker 1: for you know, if my brother was used like, I
Speaker 1: just wanted to root here and then he threw up
Speaker 1: on the floor. I know, it's like, that's a little dramatic, Jamie,
Speaker 1: this isn't insane. I need to talk to your parents
Speaker 1: about whether or no doors to bedrooms. We were like
Speaker 1: in my living room because it didn't matter there were
Speaker 1: no doors. Trying to lose your riginity anywhere and you
Speaker 1: already equal risk. Oh anyway, so he crowls through a
Speaker 1: door and they have they play strip croquet. I don't
Speaker 1: know why croquet is such again, it's probably another like
Speaker 1: maybe it's just a mote for me clueless. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know what. Yeah, that's just like a thing
Speaker 1: that popular girls did it seems to exist in a
Speaker 1: very specific period of movies. Yeah. I certainly didn't relate
Speaker 1: to the croquet spect Yeah, but it seemed to go
Speaker 1: with their jackets. It totally worked with their outfits. It
Speaker 1: did color coordinate. That was what most of their decisions
Speaker 1: were based on. Is what whatever whatever one with her outfits? Um,
Speaker 1: all right, what else do we say about this? Though?
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I have anything else to
Speaker 1: say about it, just that he It was just jarring
Speaker 1: to me that he He's introduced as this like cool
Speaker 1: subversive guy who's like gonna take her out of this
Speaker 1: click that she's in and she doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: with these horrible heathers anymore. And then that's not where
Speaker 1: the story goes at all. He helps smart, helps her
Speaker 1: murder people that she doesn't like. I do like that
Speaker 1: the weird rape jot guys um get murdered because I
Speaker 1: feel like they had it coming. I like that too.
Speaker 1: And we got to talk about I love my dad
Speaker 1: gay son. That's a great line. How beautiful that the
Speaker 1: dad accepts him. Yeah, that was a fun one. I
Speaker 1: like the nerd who spits out milk, and almost every
Speaker 1: scene that he's in remember that guy there, you see
Speaker 1: it once whenever, like the main Heather, the red Heather.
Speaker 1: I'm going to call her the red I don't know
Speaker 1: their last names. Shannon, that's shand Alardy No, that's uh no,
Speaker 1: there not the red head wear, the red wearing alf
Speaker 1: the one that dies. Yes, yes, she wouldn't have done that.
Speaker 1: She looks at this nerd guy and then they make
Speaker 1: contact and he spits out all this milk and then
Speaker 1: it happens again later on. I forget what prompts him
Speaker 1: that time, but he um just spews milk everywhere. Was
Speaker 1: anyone else like really surprised In the first scene Christian
Speaker 1: Slaters in where you like fall in love with him
Speaker 1: in a very short amount of time and then he
Speaker 1: has a gun. Yeah, She's like, whoa this guy? He
Speaker 1: just said like all I need is tequila in my sacks.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm ready to marry him. And then he
Speaker 1: pulls out a gun and shoots two people, presumably dead,
Speaker 1: until the next scene when they're like, oh, he used
Speaker 1: blanks and that's why she's always like, oh, he probably
Speaker 1: always used blanks. Yeah, I guess I got it. I
Speaker 1: got it. I think there's just too many moments like
Speaker 1: that where my my disbelief cannot be suspended. I think
Speaker 1: that's another problem why I just like, there are things
Speaker 1: about this movie I like, but I can't like it
Speaker 1: as a whole because of those few reasons, the characters,
Speaker 1: and then like, there's so many things I can't suspend
Speaker 1: my disbelief for. And yeah, it's a satire, it's a
Speaker 1: dark comedy, it's not meant to be taken so seriously,
Speaker 1: but I can't. I still don't enjoy watching it. I
Speaker 1: think it's also tough if you are watching it for
Speaker 1: the first time. Now, yes, and my own as woman.
Speaker 1: It's one of those things that, like she says, I
Speaker 1: think there are certain things that you grow up with
Speaker 1: that you hesitate to always fully recommend to people because
Speaker 1: you're like, well, I have a very specific like I
Speaker 1: think about, like I loved I also loved the movie
Speaker 1: ghost World, and so I always love that movie. But
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would be like, you have
Speaker 1: to see ghost World, where even though I love it's
Speaker 1: like how I you know, I love supe Plantation, but
Speaker 1: I don't expect anyone else too. It's just because I
Speaker 1: grew up with it, you know, Well, this movie is
Speaker 1: such like a cult. But also I think that's as good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think it it's sort of like Okay, it's like, um,
Speaker 1: like I don't really feel affected when I watched Monty
Speaker 1: Python because I never was like a teenage boy who
Speaker 1: watched it. I'll never feel like I've got a big
Speaker 1: old herd on for Monty Python the Holy Grail. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just never watched it growing up, so I don't
Speaker 1: feel anything for it now. Like I'm like, I can
Speaker 1: see objectively like this is a value, but I don't
Speaker 1: connect to it. I feel that way about Pepe's Playhous
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, I'm not going to make you
Speaker 1: watch Pepe's Playhouse, but like you should watch it. I
Speaker 1: tried to launch. I got thirty seconds into it and
Speaker 1: had to shut it off. His voice is so grating
Speaker 1: about friends. You just you just couldn't be more wrong.
Speaker 1: But it's you're my friend. I mean, yeah, we all
Speaker 1: have movies that we like. I mean, I like the
Speaker 1: movie Stomp the Yard. Is it a good movie? But
Speaker 1: there are movies that like if like, I'm not mad
Speaker 1: at you for not liking Heathers. There are movies that
Speaker 1: I'd be like, what the funk is wrong with you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess what others. It depends on, like what point
Speaker 1: in your life it arrived to you. I also think
Speaker 1: when I took to the internet and most people were
Speaker 1: slaughtering me, a lot of people were like, okay, I
Speaker 1: can see it. Like the time that it came out,
Speaker 1: it was sort of the first movie if it's kind
Speaker 1: like there hadn't really been a dark teen comedy like that,
Speaker 1: Like they don't others that you can point to afterwards.
Speaker 1: That's something I was thinking about, how you said that
Speaker 1: he didn't really make anything else afterwards. I wonder if
Speaker 1: people we're not interested and more well, I think like
Speaker 1: we said kind of alluded to before, like mean Girls
Speaker 1: and job Breakers were influenced by Heathers. I imagine I
Speaker 1: Mean Girls is like in so many ways a copy
Speaker 1: of Heathers. Yeah. Just okay, wait, I'm looking for this
Speaker 1: status you made about Heathers because I would really okay,
Speaker 1: this is you. I'm sorry. I was about to Can
Speaker 1: someone explain the movie Heathers to me? Why do people
Speaker 1: like it? Is there an extended metaphor that I'm missing?
Speaker 1: There's Okay, that's probably how people read it. Here's how
Speaker 1: I meant it. That's how I interpreted it. I think
Speaker 1: that's how everyone entered. I did not like or comment
Speaker 1: it makes sense. I'm usually like very mean and snarky
Speaker 1: on my Facebook posts. But the way I actually intended
Speaker 1: it was, Hey, guys, friends, can so you meant it
Speaker 1: like I'm sorry to bother you? But why do people
Speaker 1: like it? Is there an extended metaphor missing? Exactly? That's
Speaker 1: not happy? Can you want? Someone explained them. That's honestly, wow?
Speaker 1: Is it got oh? How many? Just one? Just the one?
Speaker 1: But one while eighteen or nineteen likes, which honestly some
Speaker 1: people well, some people were on board with you, slater sucks, uh,
Speaker 1: said one person. Some one person said the musical is fun?
Speaker 1: Did another was some musical? There's one really probably didn't
Speaker 1: need to be. But there was no need to write
Speaker 1: multiple paragraphs about this movie. I will say. Someone said,
Speaker 1: you're wrong and you're being awful about it. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: because their name had there No, it was a man.
Speaker 1: It was a Boston comic who Oh well, I guarantee
Speaker 1: I could beat him up and kill him musing only
Speaker 1: my hands and make it look like a suicide exactly.
Speaker 1: All starcull bade be Um, I don't know. Lots of
Speaker 1: people seem to People say it's funny, it's funny. I
Speaker 1: laughed at moments there at three likes. It's funny, it's funny.
Speaker 1: There's good dialogue. Is it sloppily written? Yeah, yeah it is.
Speaker 1: I would have taken another pass to the screenplay. That's
Speaker 1: just me. Oh can I read something else he wrote?
Speaker 1: But like in the way I interpreted it. Okay, So,
Speaker 1: a very nice, straight white man who we both know
Speaker 1: a great guy, wrote out a very measured explanation of
Speaker 1: why he felt people liked Heather, and then you said,
Speaker 1: I mainly don't like it because for me, there isn't
Speaker 1: a single likable or redeemable, redeemable character in the whole movie.
Speaker 1: Like maybe that's the point, and it's like, Caitlin, calm down.
Speaker 1: This comment has no likes. Yeah, people really did not
Speaker 1: care from you keep going. I don't like most modern comedies.
Speaker 1: I do appreciate that this movie is dark and more
Speaker 1: subversive than most key cutter modity. This is fun. I
Speaker 1: do sound like a no. If you read anyone's Facebook
Speaker 1: comment that way, it would be fun. I'm going to
Speaker 1: start doing that just to keep myself honest about my
Speaker 1: thoughts and feelings. Yeah, reading that voice before you post it.
Speaker 1: Something I've had fun doing is reading Bible versus really
Speaker 1: sarcastically like they're super still, like reading psalms like, um,
Speaker 1: if you start any psalm with um, actually, I've take
Speaker 1: on a whole new meeting. Cool. Well, do you guys
Speaker 1: think ultimately that it does pass? Definitely passed, almost the
Speaker 1: first scene with all the heathers that passes. It passes,
Speaker 1: especially the first like in the first act, especially when
Speaker 1: they're all still hanging out a lot before people start dying. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of scenes where it passes. They're talking.
Speaker 1: There's somewhere they're talking that women are talking, but it's
Speaker 1: it is about uh j D or someone. But um, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they talk about all kinds of things. They talk about bulimia.
Speaker 1: They talk about the lunchtime pole, which is a classic.
Speaker 1: I did like the lunchtime Pole. I remember seeing that
Speaker 1: in high school and being like, we should do that.
Speaker 1: It seems fun. The question that they posed, though, is
Speaker 1: so stupid it's infurious, And I wrote it down because
Speaker 1: I was like, well, that's a pretty well thought out
Speaker 1: question for someone so young. You inherit a million dollars
Speaker 1: two days before the aliens blow the world up? What
Speaker 1: do you do? Yeah? I think that Oh what would
Speaker 1: you do? Oh? Wait, I was I wrote down what
Speaker 1: everyone answered that question with the concept was that you
Speaker 1: win the money. But you know, you know the world's
Speaker 1: gonna end and you have the money, so Calin will
Speaker 1: pose it to you first, because I just read all
Speaker 1: your Facebook stays is very rudely. You inher a million
Speaker 1: dollars two days before aliens blow the world up, and like,
Speaker 1: you know that the world's going to blow up in
Speaker 1: two days? What do you do it? First of all,
Speaker 1: it's five million dollars. Sorry to be I'm sorry. I
Speaker 1: was in a bus station. What a certain damage fund?
Speaker 1: Me gently with the chainsaws? I guess with only two
Speaker 1: days to live, I don't know. I would just kill
Speaker 1: myself knowing that things would from the aliens. Oh, that
Speaker 1: hadn't even occurred to me. I guess if like with
Speaker 1: five million dollars, that was somehow enough resources to stop
Speaker 1: the aliens, sure I would do that. But if if
Speaker 1: it's like if certain death is coming, I would just
Speaker 1: get it over with right away, and I or maybe
Speaker 1: I'd be like, hey, does anyone want to commit a murder?
Speaker 1: And then you can frame it as my suicide if
Speaker 1: you want page what JD. I don't know. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: what can you really do a value because it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, you want to say like you'd give it
Speaker 1: to charity or whatever, but it's like charity cancering with
Speaker 1: it in two days, like you like you're going to
Speaker 1: feed the hungry, like they're just gonna die anyway. Like
Speaker 1: I guess you try and maybe give people some sense
Speaker 1: of joy before they nice, but like, how do you
Speaker 1: do that? Like what would you do? Jamie? I would
Speaker 1: invest it all and then be like, guys, we should
Speaker 1: really invest in these companies as a joke because I
Speaker 1: would know what they don't. I think it's her former
Speaker 1: friend Betty Finn, poor Betty Finn. I feel like the
Speaker 1: character and freakin geks, Like really, man, I've been on
Speaker 1: both sides of that. Yeah, yeah, I guess we all have. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: that people grow out of each other. It's sad, it's gross,
Speaker 1: and that's like the high school. I feel like it's
Speaker 1: the primary time for that. You don't know who you
Speaker 1: want to bring together forever? Cardless of whether we like
Speaker 1: each other or not. You can only do that if
Speaker 1: you're in band. I don't understand. Yeah, that's true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we gotta bring up your O bow. That's another thing
Speaker 1: that we have to talk about it talking about with
Speaker 1: my band friends today. Sent her a letter in the mail.
Speaker 1: Um said, you used to play the clarinet as a joke.
Speaker 1: I know she doesn't. That's nice though, he reached out.
Speaker 1: Can I read a psalm? Yes? Oh, But the reason
Speaker 1: I brought up Betty Finn is that, Um, the answer
Speaker 1: she gives is to just like spend the money on
Speaker 1: throwing a big bash right before everyone dies. And that's
Speaker 1: probably the best way which is to do it. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're all gonna die, just like have like have fun.
Speaker 1: There was no drunk And maybe this is like reductive
Speaker 1: of me, but I was like, there was nothing like
Speaker 1: that looked wrong with her. She seemed like a normal
Speaker 1: I don't know, she even knows how to play. Definitely,
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with her. She's just just like, yeah, she
Speaker 1: just doesn't like cool in the right way. Right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there there's just been missing. Poor Betty. She lived, but
Speaker 1: also she's fine ultimately not poor Betty. I'll probably grew
Speaker 1: up to be you know, she has a PhD. Now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: she didn't have any crazy traumatic experiences because she wasn't
Speaker 1: trying to be cool. She's a woman in stem now
Speaker 1: and it's wild because we need more of those. Um. Okay,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to But you're reading a psalm? Is
Speaker 1: that how you say it? Salm? Yeah? I've never been
Speaker 1: to church of a palm. I'm sorry. The s is
Speaker 1: silent um? Are we Is there anything else we need
Speaker 1: to talk about before I read a psalm? Maybe this
Speaker 1: will be a fun new way to close this show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all the hands and closed her eyes. Please not ever again,
Speaker 1: but this time I permit you. Okay, just that if
Speaker 1: we all calm down a little bit impossible, but okay,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna pray. Okay. So um, the Lord is
Speaker 1: my shepherd. He leads me in the paths of righteousness.
Speaker 1: I will fear no evil. I will dwell in the
Speaker 1: house of the Lord forever. That's great, Jesus, thank you
Speaker 1: so much. That was wonderful. Thank you. Yeah, do we
Speaker 1: need to cover anything else? Welded that it does pass
Speaker 1: the BacT to test a bunch of different times for
Speaker 1: sure on that. But it's just a confusing movie in
Speaker 1: general to analyze. It's just it's a tricky one. Well
Speaker 1: it's like I mean, because it's like, you know, it
Speaker 1: portrays these girls realistically, but it's not in a nice way.
Speaker 1: So that's tough. Like, obviously, ideally you want something that
Speaker 1: portrays women behaving maturely and cool. I think it portrays
Speaker 1: certain aspects of certain people realistically, but the characters still
Speaker 1: are so they're pretty one dimensional. And so it's definitely
Speaker 1: like an uncanny valley of like everyone's bad traits, regardless
Speaker 1: of gender come out way faster and wave like in
Speaker 1: a more obvious way than it would in real life.
Speaker 1: But well, don't know, it's not really a gender issue
Speaker 1: in this movie. Terrible. High schoolers are dumb. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think we can all agree on that they suck. Sorry,
Speaker 1: if we have any high school fans, shout out to
Speaker 1: high schoolers. Yeah, if you're listening to this, then you
Speaker 1: are cool. What stay cool? What is up? Yeah? You
Speaker 1: get some you get a lot to look forward to.
Speaker 1: You got a lot of life to live my friends. Yeah,
Speaker 1: tweet at us, tweet tweet and faith. Thank you high
Speaker 1: school there. So uh, once again, page, thanks for being here.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. I love talking about Heathers. We
Speaker 1: conclude each episode by rating the movie in the context
Speaker 1: of its portrayal of the women in it. Boy do
Speaker 1: we do we do? This is a hard one. It's
Speaker 1: a really hard one, and my judgment is going to
Speaker 1: be clouded because I just don't really like this movie.
Speaker 1: But because we've had some hennessy and yeah, well not
Speaker 1: that much. I finished my Mike's hard good. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: thank you. Um, I'm going to give it two and
Speaker 1: a half stars. And here's why do we have what
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm drunk goes stars that we read
Speaker 1: it on a scale of zero to five nipples. We
Speaker 1: described the nipples yeah, um, two and a half because
Speaker 1: I like that it's like a movie about women and
Speaker 1: the women are the driving force largely. But I just
Speaker 1: don't like any of them. But so let me just
Speaker 1: feel very conflicted. I don't know. Maybe I'll change my
Speaker 1: mind later, but right now, it's two and a half nipples.
Speaker 1: Two of them belong to I think his name is Ram,
Speaker 1: one of the football jocks, very very very small, tiny nipples.
Speaker 1: Great name for high school jock. And then the other
Speaker 1: one belongs to Christians. Later. The other half nipples is
Speaker 1: Christians Laters and it's smooth and it's nice nice. Okay, Um,
Speaker 1: I guess it is. It is tough to rate because
Speaker 1: they are children, not really like women, but so I
Speaker 1: guess I would even though I love this movie, I
Speaker 1: would probably give it like three nipples, but they're like
Speaker 1: it's like one of um, they're like brown, like nice nipples. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I give it three nipples and one song. Um. Okay,
Speaker 1: can I say what the song is? You can? I
Speaker 1: just want to do another Okay, Okay. My soul waits
Speaker 1: for God alone. He alone is my rock and my salvation.
Speaker 1: Trust in Him at all times. Oh, people, power and
Speaker 1: love belong to God. Indeed, as we bray, I give
Speaker 1: a three nipples, they all belong to the dad who's
Speaker 1: proud of his gay son. Oh, I want mine to
Speaker 1: belong to the dad who says I don't patronize bunny rabbits. Well,
Speaker 1: we forgot about that dad. That's Veronica's dad. Veronica's parents.
Speaker 1: We did not talk about their what was going on
Speaker 1: with They have no personality. I like when when her
Speaker 1: mom thinks that Veronica has committed suicide and she walks
Speaker 1: in the first thing she says is I wish I'd
Speaker 1: let you get that joke at the mall whoever. And
Speaker 1: I'm just like, really, this is how you're reacting to
Speaker 1: the That's the other thing. No one reacts in a
Speaker 1: way that I can believe at all, Like, no one
Speaker 1: is devastated by or feeling guilt about having committed these murders.
Speaker 1: It's just sing to me. Yeah, it's weird that it's
Speaker 1: like elevated to like, oh, the Heathers are everything, but
Speaker 1: then one of them does and like no one cares.
Speaker 1: But but that's the point. Yeah, everyone's just like, who's
Speaker 1: going to be the new one? Right? She wasn't important?
Speaker 1: Is important? Yeah? Maybe that's why they're all named Heather.
Speaker 1: Does matter who you are as an individual, It just
Speaker 1: matters that you are a Heather. Deep. I love it.
Speaker 1: I'm very smart. I'm sweating. It's so hot I am. Yeah. Um, well,
Speaker 1: I think that it's time to go a song like
Speaker 1: a psalm A psalm. I think we've done enough psalms
Speaker 1: for today, unless you'd like another, I've got more. Let's
Speaker 1: gave it for the next time. I think I'll let
Speaker 1: another one happen. Really yeah, um, hey, pages there anything
Speaker 1: you want to plug or where can people find you
Speaker 1: on the internet. Um, you can follow me on Twitter
Speaker 1: at page Weldon, and you can visit my website at
Speaker 1: higgs ballon dot com. We have fun comedy articles and stuff,
Speaker 1: and we have a show at the Improv Lab febr
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Speaker 1: via email. Has never done that, not yet, so I
Speaker 1: really encourage people to email us at the Bechtel Cast
Speaker 1: at gmail dot com just about anything about anything, anything
Speaker 1: you want. And then, um, we also have a Facebook.
Speaker 1: We can check that out and like it. So there
Speaker 1: you go. Alright, guys, keep reading that Bible and I
Speaker 1: keep doing the right thing. Yeah, so yeah bye