WEBVTT - Heathers with Paige Weldon 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:03.560 On the Doe Cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:07.520 women in um, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:12.639 or do they have individualism the patriarchy and best start 0:00:12.760 --> 0:00:17.400 changing it with the Betel Cast. Welcome to the Bechtel Cast. 0:00:17.560 --> 0:00:20.959 Here we are again. We're talking about movies about girls. 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:25.320 My name is Jamie, my name is Caitlin. Here we are, here, 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:28.400 we are Thanks for tuning in. I don't think we've 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:30.680 ever introduced it that way before. That wasn't the right 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:34.320 way to do it well, or talk about girls in movies. 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:37.960 And sometimes they're treated real mean. Sometimes they are, sometimes 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:41.440 they're not. Usually though they are usually that they are, 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:43.839 but sometimes they get to wear a tank top and 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:49.160 you can see the shape of their nipples. This podcast 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:52.879 is inspired by the Bechtel Test. If you don't know 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:57.800 what it is, I'll try to say it really really fast. Sorry, 0:00:57.160 --> 0:01:02.680 I yell, you're like clenching. I loves Yes, I am 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:05.400 like we're in a ludicrous video. Or I'm going to 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:08.200 reward myself with a swig of it as soon as 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:10.520 I do a very good job describing what The Bechdel 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:14.600 test is is a test that is applied to movies. 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:16.800 A thing will pass the test if there are two 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:19.160 women talking to each other about something other than a man. 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:22.880 I have to have names. Yes, Oh yeah, we change. 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:25.400 Actors have to have changed the rules. We used to 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:28.120 be like we're but then we're like, we're firm this rule. 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:30.560 Now we're firm all right here? That do you hear that? 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:36.000 This is the lid going on? God, you're so brave. 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:40.200 I do feel like we should maybe like just rehash 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:43.320 the date we went on over the weekend. Yes, really quick, 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:45.560 let's do that. Oh, you also have to tell your 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:48.800 bus story? Oh, because this is yes. And I also 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:51.840 wanted to say that I bought uh tickets to a 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:54.800 monster truck rally for just me on Saturday. I'm gonna 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:57.400 treat myself very nice. I never been to a monster 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:00.120 truck rally. Is it like for work or do you 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:01.760 have to write a piece on it or you just Yeah, 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:03.200 I had to get someone to pay. I want to 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:05.960 pay for it, but I was like, I could drive 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:08.040 to Anna. I'm not got the time. I'm going to 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:10.639 go see a monster truck rally. That's terrific. Yeah, I 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:14.240 think I'll probably get a new boyfriend there. He's like 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:17.080 that he's like a good place to scout. Yeah, but 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:20.919 we did go to a place in it where what 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:28.000 was in Korea Town okay, called Cafe Jack on Saturday night. Yes, yes, 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:31.680 I've been there. You've been there? Really? Oh? It is sorry? Okay? 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:34.079 Can we can we bring her guests into the discussion 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:36.239 because I would love to hear. Okay, So our guest 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:38.640 today is Paige Weld, and she's wonderful. She's a writer, 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:42.640 she's a comedian, and she's band a Cafe Jack. Yeah, hello, 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:45.400 thanks for being here. What's going on? You went to a 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:48.399 a Cafe Jack? Yeah, we did, because we did, uh 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:50.840 the Titanic episode last week, because you heard it was 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:54.720 about we didn't know. I did not know that part 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:59.480 about it. I thought it was like a swanky, cool 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:04.480 like lounge. E. It's none of those words describe what 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:08.280 it at all. It is. It's like even worse than 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:10.839 a dive. Somehow, were there other people there when you went? 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:15.240 There were very few other people there? Okay? Same? It 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:17.519 was Yeah, I think that there might have been people there, 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:19.440 but they also might have worked there. It wasn't clear. 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:22.040 I thought it was freezing in there. It was freezing. 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:25.680 There was one other group of diners there with us. 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:29.320 It's like an Asian fusion restaurant that's shaped like Titanic 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:34.320 and it there's a lot of laser jet printer pictures 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:38.840 from the Titanic movie framed around the restaurant. My favorite 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:41.640 part was they have if you're if, it's like an 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:44.640 intimate like we started in one of these intimate boots, 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:47.760 but it was like sticky everywhere, so we moved um 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:53.760 to a much greasier greasier but they're Leonardo. But they 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:57.640 had these little like rooms, those little weird compartments, and 0:03:57.640 --> 0:03:59.560 then there was one of them where there was just 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:02.480 like an unfinished wall, it is just like drywall, and 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:07.360 then nailed to it was a poster for Curious George, 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:09.640 like the one that came out in two thousands six, 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:11.720 and it was framed and that was my favorite one. 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:13.840 I went there on a date because we heard there 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:16.680 was frozen yogurt. I have received a text that was 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:18.800 would you like to get from you on this at 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:20.479 this restaurant that shaped like a boat, And I was like, 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:23.080 I would love to. And then we got there and 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:25.000 we went into one of they like led us into 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:27.200 one of those rooms. It was like huge and there 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:29.720 was just two of us and we were very uncomfortable. 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:33.080 And then we moved out into another area and I 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:36.520 felt like the woman was upset that we did. But 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:42.160 there was no frozen yogurt and stuff. We got sushi. 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:45.480 Theories that they ordered sushi from a different restaurant and 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:49.520 bring it deep because the pictures did not line up. 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:52.000 We got the Titanic role and the Jack Rose role. 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:56.000 The Titanic role in the picture was blue. What we 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:59.360 ate was not blue. I could have also just been 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:04.279 like poor the printed menus. It was totally coloration. Really, 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:07.080 we would even be blue on a sushi roll. I 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:14.080 thought maybe sprinkles. Well, either way, we went on a 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:18.120 fun little date to Cafe Jack. We did. We had 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:22.080 a great time. Good date. Um, we are here to 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:25.840 talk about another movie that's not Titanic. Unfortunately, I just 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:30.440 wish we could talk about it for every episode we might. 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:33.159 There's more to be said. Uh yeah, there's a bunch 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:35.640 of things that I wanted to say and I didn't say. 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:39.760 But we'll get to that later on another Titanic episode. 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:42.320 For now, we are here with Page and we're talking 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:48.080 about the movie. Heathers. Yeah, so Paige tell us about like, 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:50.080 why why did you pick this movie? What it means 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:52.280 to you? When did you first see it? I picked 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:54.280 it because I've seen it like a zillion times. Is 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:56.720 one of my favorite movies in high school growing up. 0:05:56.760 --> 0:05:58.880 I just always loved it and it was just one 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:01.680 of the first ones that came to mind. Yeah, when 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:03.559 so you first saw when you were in high school 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:07.400 maybe middle school? I was pretty cool. Yeah, yeah, I 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:10.080 think I saw it first in like early high school, 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:12.560 and I remember thinking it was like the coolest movie ever. 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:17.440 I thought I had also seen it before, and then 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:21.400 I rewatched it and nothing was familiar about it at all, 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:23.520 Like part of me things that I might have seen 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:26.359 an episode of that cartoon I think it's called Recess 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:30.400 where they have all the different Ashley's, and I think 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:33.440 I was confusing that for the movie Heathers. It was 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:36.880 very different than I remembered like watching it. However, I 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:39.479 guess almost ten years later is like it was like 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:41.359 watching a totally different movie, and I didn't like it 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:44.119 as much this time. It's like it made me feel weird. 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:46.120 I don't know, but if I used to think it 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:48.599 was the dopest thing ever that I wanted to, you know, 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:52.520 in mouth. Yeah, I can kill my oppressors the whole day. 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:58.279 Christians later is very charming. Yes, he's terrifying. He is 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:02.880 so scary. Uh. And so when's the last time you 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:05.640 saw it? I probably would have watched it, like maybe 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:07.520 a couple of years ago, but I feel like I've 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:10.760 watched it so many times in my life. But I 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:12.760 don't think I ever really even had a chance to 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:15.720 get enough distance from it that i'd rewatch it and 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:18.520 feel differently. I just always felt that, right, this is 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:22.720 the best. Caitlin did not like, I don't like. Oh now, 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:27.120 I don't know, because I started rewatching it again and 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:30.400 I was like, you know, it's the first like half, 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:33.440 isn't I feel like it falls apart at a certain 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:36.640 point and then I have a really hard time connecting 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:38.880 with any of the characters, and by the end, like 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:41.880 no one is redeemable for me. But there are some 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:45.640 like specific things I like about it. For example, I 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:48.320 like that there's the running joke that any time someone 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:52.080 is like addressing a Heather, they all know exactly which 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:55.600 one she's talking about. Uh. I like that. I like 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:59.840 a few different lines of dialogue, like yeah, the dial 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:04.560 guess so fun. Has its own slang. Yeah, that's cool, 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:09.080 it'll be very very what just very? But you know 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:11.360 what they mean. Yeah, I know exactly what they mean. 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:15.440 I very know what they mean. Good job, thank you 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:18.560 you did it. One of my favorite lines of dialogue 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:21.720 is did you have a brain tumor? For breakfast? So fun? 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:25.080 So I like a few different like some of the 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:30.000 running jokes are good and fun, but overall, I think 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:32.360 my main problem with it is that I just don't 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:36.040 find any of the characters redeemable enough for me to 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:38.880 connect to the story, which I know is kind of 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:42.400 the point. Like everyone's terrible in this movie, and the 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:45.839 terrible see I think she is. And I know that 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:48.719 I'm probably wrong about this. And I took to Facebook 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:55.560 and I said, Hey, why people hated I was? And 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:59.920 I tried to pose the question sincerely, and I think 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:02.760 did not come off soundings sincere. But I was like, hey, 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:07.600 just curious, why do you like this movie? Idiots? Uh? Yeah, 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:12.000 I think that that was the part where you lost Um, 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:14.400 I know I left out the idiots part. I was 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:16.520 just like, why do you like this movie? And then 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:19.120 I think it probably sounded very snarky, and then everyone 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:23.200 got very mad. At me and they're like it's so brilliant. Well, 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:26.000 I don't think that Veronica is a bad person. She 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:28.920 just made me very sad a lot of the movie. 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:32.319 And I think that I think she's like not, she's 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:35.120 like dumb. She like there are so many parts of 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:38.439 this movie where it's like, Okay, this this script has 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:41.559 it's a very specific logic of how this world works. 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:43.880 But there were some times where I'm like this, this 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:48.559 girl is keeping an active diary of a number of melodies. 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:52.400 What an insane thing to do. She could not be 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:55.760 acting more guilty in school. Yeah, I think that's why 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:57.920 high school is the ideal time to watch it, because 0:09:57.920 --> 0:10:00.360 you're like, I am also the dumb That's what I 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:03.920 would do too. And I feel like that's like that's 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:05.880 maybe why it's hard to like her, because she's a 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:09.080 stupid teenager. Yeah, it's someone who has Like when I 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:10.719 watched it in high school, I didn't think she was 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:13.360 dumb at all. I thought she was like awesome. It 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:16.240 was like, of course she's keeping a diary, yeah, want 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:21.640 not only that she's seeing these other these friends of 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:26.559 hers who are behaving horribly. They're like really mean, they're bullies. 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:32.240 Basically not. Oh my god. There are parts when I 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:34.360 think they're being mean to each other, but because I 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:37.640 don't have a very good understanding of how croquet works, 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:41.800 I'm like, I think they're being mean, but I don't 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:45.160 know how this. Hey, can I try the summery this time? Yeah? 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:48.319 Please do? Okay, okay, okay. So Heather's is a movie 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:52.679 about four friends, three Heathers. One Veronica. Veronica is our 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:55.880 pro tag She's she's not like the other girls. She's 0:10:55.920 --> 0:11:02.199 brunette and uh she but she hangs out with them. 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:05.440 But she's isn't Shannon Darty. She's like technically like a 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:11.439 red she's auburn. Yeah, and she's also like the most beliemic. 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:15.200 Which that scene where when the writer makes she had 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:17.280 a Darty throw up, I almost wish we got to 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:20.760 see it. Anyways, Um, so they're like the most popular 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:23.680 girls in school. They they you know, own everybody. And 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:28.120 then Veronica meets Christians later don't remember his name, j 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:31.960 D j D of course, who is like pretty much 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:37.120 a standard uh nineties trench code killer who draws her 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:40.679 into a very toxic, weird relationship and they start to 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:43.679 kill everyone they don't like at the high school and 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:46.480 it's a metaphor for something. Yeah, when they're framing it 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:49.360 as suicides though, so they have to keep up this 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:54.160 idea that the people are murdering have actually committed suicide. Right. 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:57.679 There's one thing I thought was interesting, just to like, 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:00.880 for just jump right into the gender stuff, is that 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:05.080 the girls and boys at this high school are all 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:09.080 equally stupid, which is nice because it would be very 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:11.320 easy to be like, oh, like, you know, the heathers 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:13.800 are so vapid and and secure and all this stuff, 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:17.319 but like the the guys, like at any high school, 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:20.160 are just as bad, uh, and just express it in 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:22.760 different ways. So I liked that that was cool. Yeah, 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:27.800 everyone's dumb, everyone, including the adults. Yeah, the adults are 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:30.560 very dumb. They're those a few scenes where like the 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:34.719 faculty are meeting about what to do about these students suicides, 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:37.480 and the ones like let's just all hold hands and 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:40.319 sing about love, and then everyone else is like, shut up, 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:43.560 you're dumb, hippie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was that was weird. 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:46.840 The reason that I don't really like Veronica is that 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:51.840 she's seeing her friends display like this horrible behavior being 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:55.839 bullies and like the Martha Dunstock character. They're very mean 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:59.640 to her, and she sees this happening and you can 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:02.440 tell she is uncomfortable with it, but she still is 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:06.199 very like complicit in this behavior. And just like high schools, 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:10.440 school is that you decide who is going to give 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:14.280 you the most like social cachet. So like it reminds 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:17.240 me sort of sort of similar to like freaks and geeks, 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:20.960 like how Lindsay we Are starts hanging out with those 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:23.480 cool kids and stops talking to her friend and she 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:26.720 knows that, like she doesn't really know if it's like 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:29.440 the morally right thing to do. Obviously, this is a 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:33.920 more like cartoonish extreme version, but I get that of 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:37.000 like you have people maybe you're friends with when you're younger, 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:39.600 and you know that it's wrong to ditch them, but 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:43.520 you also desperately want to be cool, and being friends 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:46.120 with the Heather's allows Veronica to be cool and go 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:50.280 to college parties and do whatever she thinks she's supposed 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:52.880 to be doing to be like a cool kid. Yeah, 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:56.680 Like watching those scenes with Martha, those are like so 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:59.440 hard to watch because I don't know, like there is 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:03.360 definitely a time and my high school experience where I 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:06.440 could see myself doing that, and even though it's like 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:09.680 I don't think I'm a bad person, but I think that, 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:11.840 you know, if any I don't know, I just go 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:15.440 back and like, man, if Samantha Honeywell's approval was on 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:19.440 the line, I might be a real jackass to someone. Yeah, 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:21.920 and he might even regret it immediately, but you would 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:25.200 do it right right, because it's like the immediate social 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:29.080 survival or whatever. Um. Yeah, that that was hard to watch, 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:31.880 but I think it for me, it was like because 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:36.720 it was real. Yeah, it hurt my feelings. I don't know. 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:41.200 Maybe I'm just a wonderful person who's never been mean anyone. 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:51.280 That's definitely not true, but like I've been a dick 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:55.960 to people, but I don't. I still just despite what 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:57.680 I know about like people wanting to fit in and 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:00.320 be with the popular kids and do anything to to 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:03.600 elevate their social status, especially in high school, I just 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:08.640 couldn't find Veronica to be redeemable at all. And maybe 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:11.440 it's just because I hadn't seen it as a younger 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:15.600 person and like just watched it recently. But god, she's 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:17.960 supposed to be at sixteen or seventeen. Yeah, I think 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:20.800 they're juniors. I think, yeah, I don't know. I I 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:24.760 felt for Veronica. I mean, she's an idiot. She's the 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:29.720 dumbest at certain parts, like that when when j D is, 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:32.280 you know, convincing her to kill a second set of 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:34.880 people they've already killed Heather and he's like, no, but 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:37.960 this one is that these are German, but it's like 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:40.880 the first one. He also makes it look like he 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:43.960 was kidding and it was an accident too, right, it 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:47.280 does she really It's well, it's two things. That's one. 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:50.920 I think she probably at least partially knows that it's 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:56.640 it's real, but like it's allowing her to have like 0:15:56.680 --> 0:16:00.680 an excuse like I didn't know. Yeah, I feel like 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:02.880 she does kind of play dumb because I think she 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:06.120 does potentially maybe want them dead, or at least she 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:08.760 said so in her diary. She's also doing the same 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:11.240 thing with j D that she does with the Heathers, 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:13.960 where it's just next day or like now, this is 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:15.640 what I think is cool, So I'm going to do 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.520 whatever this person wants so I can keep hanging out 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:22.120 with this person. And she does kind of hate them 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:26.520 all my friends. It's one of my favorite I don't 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:30.680 really like my friends. There's that, and right after the 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:34.440 first Heather dies, she's like, oh my god, I killed 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:37.200 my best friend, and Jad's like Andrew worst enemy, and 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:43.480 she's like same difference, drama. I don't know. I feel 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:45.400 like I was reading through my notes on the way 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:49.160 over here and I was like, oh, I was slowly 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:52.160 unraveling as I watched this movie, because I did watch 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:57.960 this movie in a bus station, so that the WiFi 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:00.840 in the bus station was great. Oh, but I didn't 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:03.320 have my I you know, you know, like you look 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:05.840 at something you wrote and you're like, oh, my butt 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:10.160 was really sore when I was writing this. Um so there. 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:13.719 I don't know, Like, this movie came out in nineteen eight, 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:18.080 and it's weird. I don't know. There's like, there were 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:20.159 a lot of parts of this movie that really like 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:25.399 made me feel terrible and dare I say trigger triggered? 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:28.280 I could see how many scenes in this movie would 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:31.040 be triggering. I hate using that word seriously, but I 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:34.960 think that might view then what was happening, because there's well, 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:37.800 it's like two things. This came out in eight eight, 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:41.199 and Christians Later is pretty much playing me. I dealized 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:45.320 school shooter, like the fucking crazy, full on wearing a 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:50.840 trench coat talking about you know this psychotic bullshit about 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:55.119 you know, society and why everyone should just be fucking 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:59.880 eradicated man whatever. And it's not anyone's fault, but it's 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:03.800 is weird to watch this movie and and see um 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:07.639 and like with the knowledge of how many similar things 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:11.640 happened in like the twenty years after that movie came out, 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:14.399 and like there were plenty of movies I feel like 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:18.479 that came out that were very like teenager destructive stuff 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:20.600 like that in like the eighties and nineties. But it 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:22.399 was just I don't know, like certain things that he 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:26.080 was saying. I was like, this feels like some Columbine ship, 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:28.520 Like it just didn't At the time, it was like 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:31.720 it's funny, but I didn't. I don't know, it was 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:36.320 just weird to think about. I well, the scenes that 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:39.000 I thought that you were maybe going to talk about 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:47.119 regarding being triggered, the multiple scenes where a man is 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:51.240 forcing himself on a woman and she's like violently fighting 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:54.359 back and he's just like very aggressively trying to kiss 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:57.760 her and or have sex with her. It happens I 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:00.480 think at least three times with like three different sounds 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:04.639 of characters. Um, that's see where Heather gives the blowjob 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:08.680 to impress the college boys. So sad, sad, and then 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:11.240 afterwards she like takes a drink of water and spits 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:15.160 it on the mirror and it's like, oh dude, uck. Yeah, 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:18.200 but that that one was dinner. I was just like, oh, 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:22.440 I'll be sad. I know she's going to die. I'm 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:26.400 having a really hard time processing this movie in terms 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:29.240 of like what we talk about on this podcast. Usually 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:32.880 so far the movies have been very like, oh, this 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:36.520 movie objectively treats the women bad, like there's pretty much 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:39.199 no question about it, or like this movie does a 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:42.360 pretty good job. This one. I like don't really know 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:44.960 how to what to say about it or how to 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:46.560 discuss it because part of me is like, Okay, it 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:50.760 boils down to this group of women who are very 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:53.119 terrible to each other. They're best friends, but they also 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:56.360 like hate each other and they bully each other. So 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:58.719 that's like not a fun thing to see on screen, 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:00.520 or like that's not a great way for women to 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:03.640 be portrayed, because that is a huge trope where women 0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:07.960 are like women on women crime or hatred or violent 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:12.600 or just like meanness is like never great. But I 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:17.000 also think I'm missing the point when I watch this. Yeah, 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:20.879 it's shitty and everyone in this movie is mean, Like 0:20:20.920 --> 0:20:23.280 I don't know. That didn't bother me too much, like 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:25.639 the and and I feel like I don't know, like 0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:28.320 the scene where Heather goes down in the college boy, 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:31.760 like it's written so that we know that it's not 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:35.120 being endorsed, Like it looks wrong. Like nothing anyone does 0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:37.680 in this movie is being endorsed as the right thing 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:41.400 to do, except maybe the ending that she cuts him 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:47.040 out of her life, and like which is out to Martha, Um, 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:56.000 oh my god when Martha speaks what happened? I guess 0:20:56.400 --> 0:20:59.120 part of why I don't I mean, just like watching 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:02.240 so any like scene after scene, it's just hard to 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:05.520 watch of like people being horrible at each other. I 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:07.120 think it's just a big part of why I don't 0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:08.879 like this movie, just because I don't like that type 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:10.639 of here's the fun thing they do a lot in 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:13.760 this movie that made me laugh constantly. When Veronica and 0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:16.399 j D are about to kill someone, Uh, it's usually 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:19.480 in the dead to night, and they're always yelling like 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:24.000 kitchen someone they're about to murder. It happens like three 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:27.199 separate times, and one time it's a dream. But for 0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:30.960 the most part they just walk in speaking at full volume, like, 0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:32.880 so what should we do? Do you want to put 0:21:32.920 --> 0:21:34.919 bleach in the coffee? What you want to do? And 0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:40.639 they immediately like that genuinely maybe laugh. Also steampunk alert, 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:44.920 Oh I didn't notice, uh this, well, it's a reach. 0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:47.560 But when note rider wears a monocle for a lot 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:52.720 of this movie, yes, that is pretty steam. This is 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:56.679 our this is our episode. Lee. Reminder that we do 0:21:56.760 --> 0:22:00.200 not enduse steampunk or steampunk culture for yourself, Jamie, I 0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:04.320 love it. We I told you about. Okay, So this 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:06.280 was actually the weekend when I saw this movie, when 0:22:06.280 --> 0:22:11.000 I saw that steampunk demonstration taking place in San Francisco, 0:22:11.160 --> 0:22:14.520 and I almost killed myself on the street. I was 0:22:14.600 --> 0:22:17.560 so mad. I think I've already mentioned this in another episode. 0:22:17.800 --> 0:22:20.359 But he was. The guy was wearing like a suede 0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:24.800 vest and goggles and he had these accordion stilts. It 0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:28.320 was horrifying. You did mention that. I know, I know, 0:22:28.520 --> 0:22:31.320 but this was it was really bad. I've got picks. 0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:35.920 I've got picks. But that was upsetting. It another trigger 0:22:36.680 --> 0:22:40.760 I'm so trigger hashtag trigger, but I do I This 0:22:40.800 --> 0:22:44.120 is a tough movie because you don't want to overthink 0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:48.080 what is very clearly like a satire black so many 0:22:48.160 --> 0:22:51.960 kind of thing. But I mean Veronic and j D's 0:22:52.000 --> 0:22:56.919