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Speaker 1: On the Doe Cast, the questions asked if movies have

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Speaker 1: changing it with the Betel Cast. Welcome to the Bechtel Cast.

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Speaker 1: Here we are again. We're talking about movies about girls.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jamie, my name is Caitlin. Here we are, here,

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Speaker 1: we are Thanks for tuning in. I don't think we've

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Speaker 1: ever introduced it that way before. That wasn't the right

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Speaker 1: way to do it well, or talk about girls in movies.

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Speaker 1: And sometimes they're treated real mean. Sometimes they are, sometimes

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Speaker 1: they're not. Usually though they are usually that they are,

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Speaker 1: but sometimes they get to wear a tank top and

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Speaker 1: you can see the shape of their nipples. This podcast

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Speaker 1: is inspired by the Bechtel Test. If you don't know

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Speaker 1: what it is, I'll try to say it really really fast. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: I yell, you're like clenching. I loves Yes, I am

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Speaker 1: like we're in a ludicrous video. Or I'm going to

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Speaker 1: reward myself with a swig of it as soon as

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Speaker 1: I do a very good job describing what The Bechdel

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Speaker 1: test is is a test that is applied to movies.

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Speaker 1: A thing will pass the test if there are two

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Speaker 1: women talking to each other about something other than a man.

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Speaker 1: I have to have names. Yes, Oh yeah, we change.

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Speaker 1: Actors have to have changed the rules. We used to

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Speaker 1: be like we're but then we're like, we're firm this rule.

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Speaker 1: Now we're firm all right here? That do you hear that?

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Speaker 1: This is the lid going on? God, you're so brave.

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Speaker 1: I do feel like we should maybe like just rehash

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Speaker 1: the date we went on over the weekend. Yes, really quick,

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Speaker 1: let's do that. Oh, you also have to tell your

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Speaker 1: she's a comedian, and she's band a Cafe Jack. Yeah, hello,

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Speaker 1: And first the audience is like wow, but I don't know,

425
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,360
Speaker 1: and then we're like, oh, yeah, he probably has well.

426
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 1: I think also a really interesting scene in the movie

427
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 1: that I've forgot about us when you you meet his

428
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 1: dad when she goes over to their house and you're like, fun,

429
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: straight up like mom, like that that is a weird reveal. Yeah,

430
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: oh yeah, you find out I think the next scene

431
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: where you meet him that he is like basically coming

432
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: in his pants about the demolition of a hotel that

433
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 1: he really wanted to be demolished, and he's like, we

434
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: got those bitches, and then he like shows a VHS

435
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 1: tape of the hotel falling over and he's like, oh,

436
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: this guy is also a crazy person, all right, which

437
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: is an interesting movie move to be like. Listen, Christians

438
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 1: later comes by this honestly, maybe give him a chance.

439
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: It's like, no, he's still terrible. But well, but that's

440
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 1: what makes the movie interesting is that you know, objectively,

441
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: you're obviously like, run away from this guy. But it

442
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: wouldn't be interesting if there were no intriguing qualities about

443
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 1: him that make her like keep going back for sure.

444
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: For instance, his dad is crazy and he is hot.

445
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: Sometimes that it also was a motorcycle, doesn't That's pretty crucial.

446
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: There's one line where he says all I need is

447
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 1: like tequila in my sax. I wrote that down because

448
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 1: I was like, if someone said that to me, I'd

449
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: be very wet, would come immediately, especially in high school,

450
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 1: would have really got me. Tequila in my sax. Come on.

451
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 1: He loves classical music, he's a great guy, weird, he's

452
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: not like the other boys. Well, and that's what like,

453
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: part of what divides her from her friends is that

454
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: they're all like he's weird, and she's like, yeah, that's cool.

455
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 1: You guys just don't get it. And he's poised as

456
00:25:55,000 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 1: being until he demonstrates these like very homicidal qualities part

457
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,679
Speaker 1: way through the movie. Before then you're like, yeah, I

458
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 1: can totally see why she likes him. Think that if

459
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: she didn't meet j D, she would have just wrote

460
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 1: out the rest of high school being friends with the others,

461
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: I would imagine, So I don't know, I mean, I

462
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: could see her getting She seems pretty frustrated at the

463
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: beginning of the movie, but maybe she would have found

464
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 1: a less destructive She seems like so willing to go

465
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: with whoever's influence that if she met someone who was

466
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 1: like not a psychopath that she connected with, maybe things

467
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: would have turned out fine. But I seem like she's

468
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: kind of done with her friends at the beginning. I

469
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, she was in a vulnerable place where

470
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: this guy showing up it was really easy to just

471
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: right like that could have been anyone, Like yeah, I mean,

472
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: the thing is, I feel like, you know, when you

473
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: watch high school movies or you think about high school

474
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: in general, you think about like the groups, like people

475
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 1: who actually did things as opposed to like I really

476
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: relate to Veronica because I like didn't I didn't do

477
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: anything in high school. I just was like a person.

478
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: So you're that's the person that's super easy to just

479
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: like latch onto different groups or people and make that

480
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: your personality. I think that that's a really interesting thing.

481
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: But I also I do think that if she didn't

482
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 1: meet j D, she probably would have just stayed friends

483
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: with them and been miserable until she graduated. Well, if

484
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: it's anything like the movie Mean Girls, which is basically

485
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: a two thousand's version of this movie, Uh, they're all juniors,

486
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: but when they become seniors, they're like, oh, we're better

487
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: than this now. I remember when we're not plastic. I

488
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: was like, you, guys, this is just Heathers. You guys

489
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: don't know. I thought it was very cool. There's another

490
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: movie that came out in between the two draw Breaker

491
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: that I feel like it's quite similar to us. Did

492
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: you see it? It's about a movie, a movie about

493
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: It's about a movie. How do you Talk again? Um?

494
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: And apparently already a little drunk from this Hennessey. It's about, uh,

495
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: this group of girlfriends who like pretend kidnapped their friend

496
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 1: and like put a jawbreaker in her mouth and like

497
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: tape it so that she doesn't talk because they're like

498
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: playing some trick on her or something. But it's all

499
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: very benign until she chokes on the jawbreaker and dies,

500
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,959
Speaker 1: and then they'll have to figure out what to do

501
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 1: with her. Dude, I don't remember what happens after that,

502
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: because it's been a very long time since I've seen it.

503
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 1: Has anyone seen the Slenderman documentary yet? No, you gotta

504
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: watch it. We can't do a factel test episode on

505
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: it because it really happened. But it's about these two

506
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: twelve year old girls who are like, we believe in

507
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: Slenderman and they murder their friends. Oh, I know the

508
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: story and the name of Slenderman. It, you know, for

509
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: all its faults, it absolutely passes the vactel test, you know,

510
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of police interviews or they're just

511
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: talking about the Slenderman murders. Slenderman as a man, but

512
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: is he a real man? Does a count of peas

513
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: of made up mythological man? I don't know. But I

514
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: didn't realize that young girls were horny for slender Man

515
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: and that's part of why they killed for him, which

516
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: I was like, that's a whole another level. And also

517
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: that all these murders tie back to a website called

518
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: Creepy Pasta. That's great that I like, I didn't know

519
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: that detail about him. I've seen the documentary twice. It's crazy.

520
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: It's very good. Um Anyways, Oh, I wanted to talk

521
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: about the guy who wrote the movie, um, because he

522
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: weirdly has not done a lot since. Um. Hen There's

523
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: was the first movie he ever wrote. He's written some

524
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: other stuff. The biggest it got was Batman Returns in

525
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: ninety two, and that is the one of the Tim

526
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: Burton ones. Yeah, which is one which I would like

527
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: to say is one degree removed from Joel Schumacher turned

528
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: another Batman movies. That's our Schumacher check for this episode.

529
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: I like how each episode we're piling on more and

530
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: more more ritual things. We got him at and Titanic

531
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: we got to mention. There's a lot of things. The

532
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: last thing he wrote and directed was in two thousand

533
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: fourteen and it was called Vampire, so sort of a

534
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: fault from Grace for our pal Dan Waters, which is

535
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: interesting because it's like there's such a specific movie and

536
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: like the way it's written, it almost seems like he

537
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: could have had like a John Hughesy kind of career

538
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: where it's like, oh, this is the guy that writes

539
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: the subversive teens dark comedy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and but

540
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: you know, and then the endgame is Vampire Academy, which,

541
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: you know, maybe I shouldn't be talking. Maybe it's an

542
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: amazing film. It could be here. Here's the thing, it

543
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: most likely is not. Okay, well there wasn't a point

544
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: to that. But except for I don't know, I'm always

545
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: like a little bit leary of a straight white guy

546
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: writing a movie about young women. UM, for sure, just

547
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: because it's so easy to conflict fact fact in fiction.

548
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: If you're returning to you know, the horny ist, most

549
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: horrible part of your life, uh, and then trying to

550
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: put yourself in the mind of the people you wanted

551
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: to have sex with. Um, it just seems like a

552
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: real challenge. But I I don't know, how did you feel?

553
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I felt like he did. I don't know.

554
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: Like this movie is hard. It's very hard to talk

555
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: about in this context. It is. I am also very

556
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: wary of any like straight man who thinks that they

557
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: can I mean, most of the main characters in this

558
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: movie are women. I'm raising my hands because I found

559
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: out something crazy. Tell Us Daniel Waters wrote Heathers. His

560
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: brother Mark Waters directed Mean Girls in two thousand four.

561
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: What the hell that's so weird? He also directed Freaky Friday,

562
00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: So he's just a low hand head wild There you go, guys.

563
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: I mean I don't feel like to me, I don't

564
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: think that the characters feel poorly written because they're written,

565
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: especially because it's like, I mean, they're not really like

566
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: women their children. Yeah, well they're also caricatures. And it's

567
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: not just the women that are caricatures, it's everyone in

568
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: a movie, right, And I think that that's why it

569
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: ends up not really being a problem, because it's not

570
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: like a deeply honest depiction of literally anyone. I think

571
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: he sort of ends up being fine, although I will

572
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: say if you look at a picture of him, now,

573
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: crazy come over, insane, like who are you getting? That's

574
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: very unfortunately, very bad Daniels, very very long. Yeah, not

575
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: worth it. Oh boy. Oh there's a bunch of really

576
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: fun Yellie thesis statement kind of dialogue lines, and towards

577
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: the end of this movie is every other thing Christians

578
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: later says is like, Okay, we get it, like you're

579
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: you're a fucking angry young man. The society not to

580
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: any horror the American teenager thinks to bring upon itself

581
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: like grow up and uh what else like because the

582
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: school is society and like that how everything is a

583
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: fucking metaphor for It's it's very tenth grade English, the

584
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: way he interprets the world and why I'm like, this

585
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: is not a fucking Joyce Carol out short story, you

586
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: nut bag. But I love them that. It's it's him

587
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: saying all this ship to a girl who's just looking

588
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: at him like he's a fucking idiot. Like like, if

589
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: he was just saying that and we were just watching it,

590
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: it would be like, maybe not great. But when it's

591
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: posed like that where Veronica is just looking at him,

592
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: like realizing that he has been this idiot the whole time,

593
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: it's is pretty powerful. What's the line? The line what

594
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: do I you know what I need? JD? Cool guys

595
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: like you out of my life or whatever? This is

596
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: just I love that. I love the like, yeah, you're

597
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: a real cool guy. Dude, Like he knows about convenience

598
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: store snacks. That's like what gets Veronica to like him.

599
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: She's like, you know your convenience stores speech because he's

600
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: been a lot of places. Yeah, that's like a like

601
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: his motorcycle. He's a little riff raff, straight rat. I

602
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: like it like he um, no, yeah, I got convenience

603
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: Sturf food on my way over here. Guys, when I

604
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: was getting my card lemonade and stopped at silver Lake

605
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: seven eleven, did they know me there? And I got

606
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,439
Speaker 1: I ordered pizza so bad they didn't make me pay

607
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: for it, like disgusting, and it was disgusting, And he

608
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: was like, on the house, take it, congratulations, you look

609
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: like you really need I need. It's like you look hungry,

610
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: my friends. Going back to the relationship that Veronica and

611
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: j D have, the way it starts is that like

612
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: he just crawls into her window having met her. I

613
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: think prince from a fairy tale. I was like, okay,

614
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: I would have loved that. I would have left that.

615
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: You know, when you're a teenager, nothing is cooler than

616
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: sneaking through a window. They do it in Gilmore Girl.

617
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: I think I had a very different high school experience

618
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: than most people than Gilmore Girls. And also my parents

619
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: didn't dislike any of my high school boyfriends, so there

620
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 1: was no there was no window climbing. Also, we didn't

621
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: have doors in my house for some reason, so window

622
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: climbing would not have gone well. But you didn't have doors.

623
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,439
Speaker 1: There were no doors. I mean there was a front

624
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: door and a back door, but no one's bedrooms had doors,

625
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: even like doors to your bedrooms, there was like no

626
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: door open bathrooms, no doors bathrooms. There were doors, but

627
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: they were broken. You had to jam something up against them.

628
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: That is crazy, I know, especially because when my little

629
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: brother did learn how to masturbate, he did not exercise

630
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: is any discretion in spite of the fact that there

631
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: were no doors, So he would just be going at

632
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: it and you'd walk past. And that was a hard

633
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: summer for me, like my first summer back from college

634
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 1: and my brother had hit puberty. Why were there doors

635
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: in your house? There were no doors. I don't know.

636
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: I don't there's to this day, there's no doors. Wow,

637
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 1: there was no I mean my parents weren't fucking so

638
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: there were no doors. I don't know. I'm baffled. I

639
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: don't know if anyone's ever had sex in my house. Um,

640
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: I mean I started to like pause to think about it.

641
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, why would I know the Actually, Okay, i'd

642
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: a house, Jamie, I've gotten to I met your mom.

643
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, wait, what's her name again? Jill?

644
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, Jill, do you mind if I

645
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: come over and hang out. I didn't have sex with

646
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: your mom, but I brought someone else sex with someone,

647
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: and she did walk in on us because there were

648
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: no doors. But well I got walked in on once

649
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: in my house. My brother almost caught me like trying

650
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: to lose my virginity, and obviously we had to stop,

651
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: and then he threw up. He was so upset. It

652
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: was just no more running card, no more Runnington parties

653
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: for you know, if my brother was used like, I

654
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 1: just wanted to root here and then he threw up

655
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:22,720
Speaker 1: on the floor. I know, it's like, that's a little dramatic, Jamie,

656
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 1: this isn't insane. I need to talk to your parents

657
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: about whether or no doors to bedrooms. We were like

658
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: in my living room because it didn't matter there were

659
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 1: no doors. Trying to lose your riginity anywhere and you

660
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: already equal risk. Oh anyway, so he crowls through a

661
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: door and they have they play strip croquet. I don't

662
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: know why croquet is such again, it's probably another like

663
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: maybe it's just a mote for me clueless. Yeah, yeah,

664
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: I don't know what. Yeah, that's just like a thing

665
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: that popular girls did it seems to exist in a

666
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: very specific period of movies. Yeah. I certainly didn't relate

667
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: to the croquet spect Yeah, but it seemed to go

668
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: with their jackets. It totally worked with their outfits. It

669
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: did color coordinate. That was what most of their decisions

670
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: were based on. Is what whatever whatever one with her outfits? Um,

671
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: all right, what else do we say about this? Though?

672
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I have anything else to

673
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: say about it, just that he It was just jarring

674
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: to me that he He's introduced as this like cool

675
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: subversive guy who's like gonna take her out of this

676
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: click that she's in and she doesn't have to be

677
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,479
Speaker 1: with these horrible heathers anymore. And then that's not where

678
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: the story goes at all. He helps smart, helps her

679
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: murder people that she doesn't like. I do like that

680
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: the weird rape jot guys um get murdered because I

681
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: feel like they had it coming. I like that too.

682
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 1: And we got to talk about I love my dad

683
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: gay son. That's a great line. How beautiful that the

684
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 1: dad accepts him. Yeah, that was a fun one. I

685
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: like the nerd who spits out milk, and almost every

686
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:09,879
Speaker 1: scene that he's in remember that guy there, you see

687
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,439
Speaker 1: it once whenever, like the main Heather, the red Heather.

688
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: I'm going to call her the red I don't know

689
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: their last names. Shannon, that's shand Alardy No, that's uh no,

690
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: there not the red head wear, the red wearing alf

691
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: the one that dies. Yes, yes, she wouldn't have done that.

692
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: She looks at this nerd guy and then they make

693
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: contact and he spits out all this milk and then

694
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: it happens again later on. I forget what prompts him

695
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: that time, but he um just spews milk everywhere. Was

696
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: anyone else like really surprised In the first scene Christian

697
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: Slaters in where you like fall in love with him

698
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: in a very short amount of time and then he

699
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: has a gun. Yeah, She's like, whoa this guy? He

700
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: just said like all I need is tequila in my sacks.

701
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm ready to marry him. And then he

702
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 1: pulls out a gun and shoots two people, presumably dead,

703
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,479
Speaker 1: until the next scene when they're like, oh, he used

704
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: blanks and that's why she's always like, oh, he probably

705
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: always used blanks. Yeah, I guess I got it. I

706
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: got it. I think there's just too many moments like

707
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: that where my my disbelief cannot be suspended. I think

708
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: that's another problem why I just like, there are things

709
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: about this movie I like, but I can't like it

710
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: as a whole because of those few reasons, the characters,

711
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: and then like, there's so many things I can't suspend

712
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: my disbelief for. And yeah, it's a satire, it's a

713
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 1: dark comedy, it's not meant to be taken so seriously,

714
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: but I can't. I still don't enjoy watching it. I

715
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: think it's also tough if you are watching it for

716
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 1: the first time. Now, yes, and my own as woman.

717
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: It's one of those things that, like she says, I

718
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: think there are certain things that you grow up with

719
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,919
Speaker 1: that you hesitate to always fully recommend to people because

720
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: you're like, well, I have a very specific like I

721
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: think about, like I loved I also loved the movie

722
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: ghost World, and so I always love that movie. But

723
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would be like, you have

724
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 1: to see ghost World, where even though I love it's

725
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: like how I you know, I love supe Plantation, but

726
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: I don't expect anyone else too. It's just because I

727
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: grew up with it, you know, Well, this movie is

728
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,959
Speaker 1: such like a cult. But also I think that's as good. Yeah,

729
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: but I think it it's sort of like Okay, it's like, um,

730
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: like I don't really feel affected when I watched Monty

731
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: Python because I never was like a teenage boy who

732
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 1: watched it. I'll never feel like I've got a big

733
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 1: old herd on for Monty Python the Holy Grail. Yeah,

734
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: I just never watched it growing up, so I don't

735
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: feel anything for it now. Like I'm like, I can

736
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: see objectively like this is a value, but I don't

737
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: connect to it. I feel that way about Pepe's Playhous

738
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, I'm not going to make you

739
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: watch Pepe's Playhouse, but like you should watch it. I

740
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: tried to launch. I got thirty seconds into it and

741
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 1: had to shut it off. His voice is so grating

742
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: about friends. You just you just couldn't be more wrong.

743
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: But it's you're my friend. I mean, yeah, we all

744
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: have movies that we like. I mean, I like the

745
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: movie Stomp the Yard. Is it a good movie? But

746
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: there are movies that like if like, I'm not mad

747
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: at you for not liking Heathers. There are movies that

748
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 1: I'd be like, what the funk is wrong with you? Yeah,

749
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: I guess what others. It depends on, like what point

750
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: in your life it arrived to you. I also think

751
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: when I took to the internet and most people were

752
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: slaughtering me, a lot of people were like, okay, I

753
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: can see it. Like the time that it came out,

754
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: it was sort of the first movie if it's kind

755
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: like there hadn't really been a dark teen comedy like that,

756
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: Like they don't others that you can point to afterwards.

757
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: That's something I was thinking about, how you said that

758
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: he didn't really make anything else afterwards. I wonder if

759
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: people we're not interested and more well, I think like

760
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: we said kind of alluded to before, like mean Girls

761
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: and job Breakers were influenced by Heathers. I imagine I

762
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: Mean Girls is like in so many ways a copy

763
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: of Heathers. Yeah. Just okay, wait, I'm looking for this

764
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: status you made about Heathers because I would really okay,

765
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: this is you. I'm sorry. I was about to Can

766
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 1: someone explain the movie Heathers to me? Why do people

767
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: like it? Is there an extended metaphor that I'm missing?

768
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: There's Okay, that's probably how people read it. Here's how

769
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: I meant it. That's how I interpreted it. I think

770
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: that's how everyone entered. I did not like or comment

771
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: it makes sense. I'm usually like very mean and snarky

772
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 1: on my Facebook posts. But the way I actually intended

773
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: it was, Hey, guys, friends, can so you meant it

774
00:43:56,160 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: like I'm sorry to bother you? But why do people

775
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: like it? Is there an extended metaphor missing? Exactly? That's

776
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: not happy? Can you want? Someone explained them. That's honestly, wow?

777
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: Is it got oh? How many? Just one? Just the one?

778
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: But one while eighteen or nineteen likes, which honestly some

779
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: people well, some people were on board with you, slater sucks, uh,

780
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: said one person. Some one person said the musical is fun?

781
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: Did another was some musical? There's one really probably didn't

782
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: need to be. But there was no need to write

783
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: multiple paragraphs about this movie. I will say. Someone said,

784
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: you're wrong and you're being awful about it. Oh my god,

785
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 1: because their name had there No, it was a man.

786
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: It was a Boston comic who Oh well, I guarantee

787
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: I could beat him up and kill him musing only

788
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: my hands and make it look like a suicide exactly.

789
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: All starcull bade be Um, I don't know. Lots of

790
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: people seem to People say it's funny, it's funny. I

791
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,760
Speaker 1: laughed at moments there at three likes. It's funny, it's funny.

792
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: There's good dialogue. Is it sloppily written? Yeah, yeah it is.

793
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 1: I would have taken another pass to the screenplay. That's

794
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: just me. Oh can I read something else he wrote?

795
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: But like in the way I interpreted it. Okay, So,

796
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: a very nice, straight white man who we both know

797
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: a great guy, wrote out a very measured explanation of

798
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: why he felt people liked Heather, and then you said,

799
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 1: I mainly don't like it because for me, there isn't

800
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: a single likable or redeemable, redeemable character in the whole movie.

801
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: Like maybe that's the point, and it's like, Caitlin, calm down.

802
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: This comment has no likes. Yeah, people really did not

803
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: care from you keep going. I don't like most modern comedies.

804
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,919
Speaker 1: I do appreciate that this movie is dark and more

805
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: subversive than most key cutter modity. This is fun. I

806
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: do sound like a no. If you read anyone's Facebook

807
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: comment that way, it would be fun. I'm going to

808
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: start doing that just to keep myself honest about my

809
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: thoughts and feelings. Yeah, reading that voice before you post it.

810
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: Something I've had fun doing is reading Bible versus really

811
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: sarcastically like they're super still, like reading psalms like, um,

812
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: if you start any psalm with um, actually, I've take

813
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: on a whole new meeting. Cool. Well, do you guys

814
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 1: think ultimately that it does pass? Definitely passed, almost the

815
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: first scene with all the heathers that passes. It passes,

816
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: especially the first like in the first act, especially when

817
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: they're all still hanging out a lot before people start dying. Uh,

818
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of scenes where it passes. They're talking.

819
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: There's somewhere they're talking that women are talking, but it's

820
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: it is about uh j D or someone. But um, Yeah,

821
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: they talk about all kinds of things. They talk about bulimia.

822
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: They talk about the lunchtime pole, which is a classic.

823
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 1: I did like the lunchtime Pole. I remember seeing that

824
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: in high school and being like, we should do that.

825
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: It seems fun. The question that they posed, though, is

826
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 1: so stupid it's infurious, And I wrote it down because

827
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: I was like, well, that's a pretty well thought out

828
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 1: question for someone so young. You inherit a million dollars

829
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: two days before the aliens blow the world up? What

830
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: do you do? Yeah? I think that Oh what would

831
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: you do? Oh? Wait, I was I wrote down what

832
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 1: everyone answered that question with the concept was that you

833
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: win the money. But you know, you know the world's

834
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: gonna end and you have the money, so Calin will

835
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: pose it to you first, because I just read all

836
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: your Facebook stays is very rudely. You inher a million

837
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: dollars two days before aliens blow the world up, and like,

838
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: you know that the world's going to blow up in

839
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: two days? What do you do it? First of all,

840
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: it's five million dollars. Sorry to be I'm sorry. I

841
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:15,919
Speaker 1: was in a bus station. What a certain damage fund?

842
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: Me gently with the chainsaws? I guess with only two

843
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,919
Speaker 1: days to live, I don't know. I would just kill

844
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: myself knowing that things would from the aliens. Oh, that

845
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: hadn't even occurred to me. I guess if like with

846
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: five million dollars, that was somehow enough resources to stop

847
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: the aliens, sure I would do that. But if if

848
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: it's like if certain death is coming, I would just

849
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,479
Speaker 1: get it over with right away, and I or maybe

850
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: I'd be like, hey, does anyone want to commit a murder?

851
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: And then you can frame it as my suicide if

852
00:48:54,200 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: you want page what JD. I don't know. I mean, like,

853
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,399
Speaker 1: what can you really do a value because it's like,

854
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: you know, you want to say like you'd give it

855
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: to charity or whatever, but it's like charity cancering with

856
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: it in two days, like you like you're going to

857
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: feed the hungry, like they're just gonna die anyway. Like

858
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: I guess you try and maybe give people some sense

859
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: of joy before they nice, but like, how do you

860
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: do that? Like what would you do? Jamie? I would

861
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: invest it all and then be like, guys, we should

862
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 1: really invest in these companies as a joke because I

863
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 1: would know what they don't. I think it's her former

864
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: friend Betty Finn, poor Betty Finn. I feel like the

865
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: character and freakin geks, Like really, man, I've been on

866
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: both sides of that. Yeah, yeah, I guess we all have. Yeah, man,

867
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: that people grow out of each other. It's sad, it's gross,

868
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: and that's like the high school. I feel like it's

869
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: the primary time for that. You don't know who you

870
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: want to bring together forever? Cardless of whether we like

871
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: each other or not. You can only do that if

872
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 1: you're in band. I don't understand. Yeah, that's true. Yeah,

873
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: we gotta bring up your O bow. That's another thing

874
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 1: that we have to talk about it talking about with

875
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: my band friends today. Sent her a letter in the mail.

876
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: Um said, you used to play the clarinet as a joke.

877
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:18,919
Speaker 1: I know she doesn't. That's nice though, he reached out.

878
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:23,399
Speaker 1: Can I read a psalm? Yes? Oh, But the reason

879
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: I brought up Betty Finn is that, Um, the answer

880
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: she gives is to just like spend the money on

881
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: throwing a big bash right before everyone dies. And that's

882
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 1: probably the best way which is to do it. I mean,

883
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 1: if you're all gonna die, just like have like have fun.

884
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: There was no drunk And maybe this is like reductive

885
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 1: of me, but I was like, there was nothing like

886
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 1: that looked wrong with her. She seemed like a normal

887
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, she even knows how to play. Definitely,

888
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with her. She's just just like, yeah, she

889
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: just doesn't like cool in the right way. Right. Yeah,

890
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: there there's just been missing. Poor Betty. She lived, but

891
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: also she's fine ultimately not poor Betty. I'll probably grew

892
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:10,439
Speaker 1: up to be you know, she has a PhD. Now, Yeah,

893
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 1: she didn't have any crazy traumatic experiences because she wasn't

894
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: trying to be cool. She's a woman in stem now

895
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: and it's wild because we need more of those. Um. Okay,

896
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: I just wanted to But you're reading a psalm? Is

897
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: that how you say it? Salm? Yeah? I've never been

898
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: to church of a palm. I'm sorry. The s is

899
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: silent um? Are we Is there anything else we need

900
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: to talk about before I read a psalm? Maybe this

901
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: will be a fun new way to close this show. Yeah,

902
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: all the hands and closed her eyes. Please not ever again,

903
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: but this time I permit you. Okay, just that if

904
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:51,240
Speaker 1: we all calm down a little bit impossible, but okay,

905
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: and we're gonna pray. Okay. So um, the Lord is

906
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: my shepherd. He leads me in the paths of righteousness.

907
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: I will fear no evil. I will dwell in the

908
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: house of the Lord forever. That's great, Jesus, thank you

909
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: so much. That was wonderful. Thank you. Yeah, do we

910
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: need to cover anything else? Welded that it does pass

911
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 1: the BacT to test a bunch of different times for

912
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: sure on that. But it's just a confusing movie in

913
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: general to analyze. It's just it's a tricky one. Well

914
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: it's like I mean, because it's like, you know, it

915
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: portrays these girls realistically, but it's not in a nice way.

916
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: So that's tough. Like, obviously, ideally you want something that

917
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: portrays women behaving maturely and cool. I think it portrays

918
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: certain aspects of certain people realistically, but the characters still

919
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: are so they're pretty one dimensional. And so it's definitely

920
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: like an uncanny valley of like everyone's bad traits, regardless

921
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: of gender come out way faster and wave like in

922
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: a more obvious way than it would in real life.

923
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: But well, don't know, it's not really a gender issue

924
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: in this movie. Terrible. High schoolers are dumb. Yeah, I

925
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: think we can all agree on that they suck. Sorry,

926
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 1: if we have any high school fans, shout out to

927
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: high schoolers. Yeah, if you're listening to this, then you

928
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: are cool. What stay cool? What is up? Yeah? You

929
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: get some you get a lot to look forward to.

930
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: You got a lot of life to live my friends. Yeah,

931
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 1: tweet at us, tweet tweet and faith. Thank you high

932
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: school there. So uh, once again, page, thanks for being here.

933
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. I love talking about Heathers. We

934
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: conclude each episode by rating the movie in the context

935
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: of its portrayal of the women in it. Boy do

936
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 1: we do we do? This is a hard one. It's

937
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: a really hard one, and my judgment is going to

938
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: be clouded because I just don't really like this movie.

939
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: But because we've had some hennessy and yeah, well not

940
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: that much. I finished my Mike's hard good. Yeah, well,

941
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: thank you. Um, I'm going to give it two and

942
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: a half stars. And here's why do we have what

943
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm drunk goes stars that we read

944
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: it on a scale of zero to five nipples. We

945
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:45,280
Speaker 1: described the nipples yeah, um, two and a half because

946
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 1: I like that it's like a movie about women and

947
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: the women are the driving force largely. But I just

948
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: don't like any of them. But so let me just

949
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: feel very conflicted. I don't know. Maybe I'll change my

950
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: mind later, but right now, it's two and a half nipples.

951
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: Two of them belong to I think his name is Ram,

952
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: one of the football jocks, very very very small, tiny nipples.

953
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 1: Great name for high school jock. And then the other

954
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: one belongs to Christians. Later. The other half nipples is

955
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: Christians Laters and it's smooth and it's nice nice. Okay, Um,

956
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:31,760
Speaker 1: I guess it is. It is tough to rate because

957
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: they are children, not really like women, but so I

958
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: guess I would even though I love this movie, I

959
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: would probably give it like three nipples, but they're like

960
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: it's like one of um, they're like brown, like nice nipples. Yeah,

961
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 1: I give it three nipples and one song. Um. Okay,

962
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: can I say what the song is? You can? I

963
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: just want to do another Okay, Okay. My soul waits

964
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: for God alone. He alone is my rock and my salvation.

965
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: Trust in Him at all times. Oh, people, power and

966
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,399
Speaker 1: love belong to God. Indeed, as we bray, I give

967
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 1: a three nipples, they all belong to the dad who's

968
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: proud of his gay son. Oh, I want mine to

969
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: belong to the dad who says I don't patronize bunny rabbits. Well,

970
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:29,439
Speaker 1: we forgot about that dad. That's Veronica's dad. Veronica's parents.

971
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 1: We did not talk about their what was going on

972
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:37,439
Speaker 1: with They have no personality. I like when when her

973
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: mom thinks that Veronica has committed suicide and she walks

974
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: in the first thing she says is I wish I'd

975
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: let you get that joke at the mall whoever. And

976
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: I'm just like, really, this is how you're reacting to

977
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: the That's the other thing. No one reacts in a

978
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: way that I can believe at all, Like, no one

979
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: is devastated by or feeling guilt about having committed these murders.

980
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,919
Speaker 1: It's just sing to me. Yeah, it's weird that it's

981
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 1: like elevated to like, oh, the Heathers are everything, but

982
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: then one of them does and like no one cares.

983
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 1: But but that's the point. Yeah, everyone's just like, who's

984
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: going to be the new one? Right? She wasn't important?

985
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: Is important? Yeah? Maybe that's why they're all named Heather.

986
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: Does matter who you are as an individual, It just

987
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: matters that you are a Heather. Deep. I love it.

988
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: I'm very smart. I'm sweating. It's so hot I am. Yeah. Um, well,

989
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: I think that it's time to go a song like

990
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: a psalm A psalm. I think we've done enough psalms

991
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: for today, unless you'd like another, I've got more. Let's

992
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: gave it for the next time. I think I'll let

993
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: another one happen. Really yeah, um, hey, pages there anything

994
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: you want to plug or where can people find you

995
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: on the internet. Um, you can follow me on Twitter

996
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: at page Weldon, and you can visit my website at

997
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 1: higgs ballon dot com. We have fun comedy articles and stuff,

998
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: and we have a show at the Improv Lab febr

999
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: ten pm yea for love it. You can follow us

1000
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: at becktel Cast on Twitter. You can write to us

1001
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: via email. Has never done that, not yet, so I

1002
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: really encourage people to email us at the Bechtel Cast

1003
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: at gmail dot com just about anything about anything, anything

1004
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 1: you want. And then, um, we also have a Facebook.

1005
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: We can check that out and like it. So there

1006
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: you go. Alright, guys, keep reading that Bible and I

1007
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: keep doing the right thing. Yeah, so yeah bye