Speaker 1: Welcome to We Talk Back Podcast, the production of iHeartRadio
Speaker 1: and the Black Effect Networks talk Talk Talk.
Speaker 2: So we're just two unapologetically black women with an opinion
Speaker 2: who talks.
Speaker 3: What's up, y'all?
Speaker 4: Thank you for tuning in for a new episode that
Speaker 4: We Talk Back, a show dedicated to you dreamers and changes.
Speaker 4: Today it is to you niggas and holes as well.
Speaker 4: We're gonna get into a lot of whole shit today. Anyway,
Speaker 4: it's your calls. AJ Holliday, what's up, Tam, Hey, y'all.
Speaker 3: I love y'all, Hey Jay, I love you too, I
Speaker 3: love me Mo, and I love your back. How is
Speaker 3: your weekend? I got on a bral right now. I
Speaker 3: really hate bras man. I'll never wear them. I hardly
Speaker 3: wear them.
Speaker 4: But I look my bad. I put one on to
Speaker 4: record today and I've been struggling ever since.
Speaker 3: I know, but ever put those things off. My weekend
Speaker 3: was a very uneventful. I didn't do much.
Speaker 4: It was very cold. I'm talking about like teenager cold teens.
Speaker 4: I hibernated again this past week. I do not like winter.
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm a summer dating books. Yes, I like
Speaker 3: I would prefer to be hot. I really would prefer
Speaker 3: to be like warmer.
Speaker 2: I'm a spring and fall kind of girl. Like I
Speaker 2: don't want it too hot, I don't want it too cold.
Speaker 2: Just give me some nice mediums. I actually speaking of
Speaker 2: nice mediums. I went to I flew out to La
Speaker 2: on a humble because we were supposed to actually be
Speaker 2: in Memphis at the Saint Jude's homecoming event, but it
Speaker 2: got postponed due to frigid ass weather. So I just
Speaker 2: had the weekend off. I was like, what can I do.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to sit here in Charlotte. Where can
Speaker 2: I go? So I just hopped on a flight and
Speaker 2: went to La. And I just want to if anybody
Speaker 2: know Rafaela dat Heli, because he said it never arranged
Speaker 2: in southern rain the whole fucking time I was there.
Speaker 2: And I went and watched that video, and I should
Speaker 2: have knew new niggas was lying because they had blouses
Speaker 2: on and it was like blowing in the wind in
Speaker 2: the video, and niggat in a white blouse.
Speaker 3: He lying. They tell me any nigga in white blouse? Yeah,
Speaker 3: and it's blowing in the wind.
Speaker 2: He lied, all right, Yeah, So it rained the whole
Speaker 2: time I was there. I really didn't get to do
Speaker 2: as much as I wanted to because the weather was
Speaker 2: kind of ship. It wasn't cold, but it was just rainy,
Speaker 2: and uh, I just kind of like, yeah, yeah it was.
Speaker 2: It was chilly, but it wasn't nothing compared to what
Speaker 2: we got going over on this side of the United States.
Speaker 2: I hung out with my homegirl.
Speaker 3: She had twin.
Speaker 2: Babies about five months ago, so I got to know,
Speaker 2: and that was really it. I ain't really get much done,
Speaker 2: So that was it. Two babies, two twin babies. They
Speaker 2: are so adorable, girl, They're so cute. I just wanted
Speaker 2: to eat them up.
Speaker 4: I haven't held a baby in a long time. I
Speaker 4: want to hold a baby.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I've been holding babies all for the past
Speaker 2: two years. It seems like all my friends are having babies.
Speaker 3: Back to back. Pop that pussy baby, you next, you next.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I might hold on before we go there.
Speaker 4: I always think, like, what we're gonna do with either
Speaker 4: one of us get pregnant, Like we're just gonna be
Speaker 4: podcasting pregnant.
Speaker 3: Yeah, our mouth fing's gonna be pregnant.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, they might be trying to and
Speaker 2: pregnate our mouths, but we're not getting pregnant in them.
Speaker 3: Out throw a baby.
Speaker 4: We got going on as stupid internet news this week.
Speaker 3: No, we got to start with nimrodam. They should just
Speaker 3: call her Nimrod.
Speaker 2: Nikki Haley from South Carolina, she really got her ass
Speaker 2: national television and said the United States has never.
Speaker 3: Been a racist country. And I'm just thinking, like I
Speaker 3: was just so infuriated and upset with her for saying that,
Speaker 3: Like we really live in two different countries in the
Speaker 3: same country. A lot of people like.
Speaker 2: Racism has never been a thing in this country.
Speaker 4: I don't get upset about those things. And I say
Speaker 4: this a lot black people, withdraw your energy from the
Speaker 4: bullshit you see on TV, because what they are trying
Speaker 4: to do has harness your fucking energy to get us
Speaker 4: in this emotional state, because we are emotional people, right,
Speaker 4: So now you're not fucking thinking straight.
Speaker 3: Fuck that bitch. And then she actually tried to explain it.
Speaker 2: She said, our founding fathers had the best of intentions
Speaker 2: when they started, and we fixed it along the way,
Speaker 2: did we founding?
Speaker 4: There's of some stolen land. And she is a Native American, Yes,
Speaker 4: you're Native American. Yes, and she's saying that this country
Speaker 4: was never racist, that that never Yeah, she's.
Speaker 3: Not Native American. She is a Caucasian white woman, Yes
Speaker 3: she is. That's it.
Speaker 4: Native Americans know what racism is in this country. Indigenous
Speaker 4: people know what racism. We know that this country is
Speaker 4: racist and it was built off of racism and off
Speaker 4: the backs of black people.
Speaker 3: Like, I don't know what the fuck she's talking about.
Speaker 3: I don't know what the that is. That is insane.
Speaker 3: They be gaslighting the funk out you. She literally just
Speaker 3: gas lit the whole United States, all black people all?
Speaker 3: What is racism? Not here? Bitch you crazy girl? That
Speaker 3: was the episode of s n L. That was not real.
Speaker 3: That was not real. Oh my god, what else happening?
Speaker 3: Girl beating Nikki?
Speaker 4: She's Sarah Palin of this current election. Okay, she just
Speaker 4: thrown out there to.
Speaker 2: Shake it up with us, that's all.
Speaker 3: Okay, why are you calling her that? What is that's
Speaker 3: her first name? Nemrod. I never knew that sounds like
Speaker 3: a hemorrhoid, queen cream or something.
Speaker 4: All right, Uh, okay, I don't know who this guy is,
Speaker 4: but I came across was it no Jumper podcast?
Speaker 3: A clip. Uh this this dude, is it Lucci Lucci cannon?
Speaker 3: Loose cannon? Oh? Why do you see? Maybe it is
Speaker 3: loose cannon.
Speaker 4: You are fluent in niggatry because I would have never
Speaker 4: pronounced it like that.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right. So he's claiming to have.
Speaker 4: Carried on a long term relationship with Shannie O'Neill, and
Speaker 4: the rapper claimed that Shawnnie was using her child support
Speaker 4: money from Shack to buy him expensive gifts.
Speaker 3: The rapper told.
Speaker 4: Listeners that he and Shannie had an affair and that
Speaker 4: shot and that she kills ex wife was his sugar mama.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: The rapper claimed that Shawnnie brought him expensive gifts like
Speaker 4: an Ottomar Piquette.
Speaker 3: And a Richard Millie.
Speaker 4: Okay, and then he drops a bomb saying that she
Speaker 4: paid him fifty thousand dollars right before she got married
Speaker 4: to the preacher for some ghetto d You believe that fifty.
Speaker 3: Stacks fifty so big? I need to see it. I
Speaker 3: need to see it right now. What type of dick
Speaker 3: is that? Right? Dick is so cheap and free it's free, area,
Speaker 3: But she paid you. If she paid you, she paid
Speaker 3: you to shut the fuck up. And you out here
Speaker 3: running your mouth exactly. Come on, man, what's ups want
Speaker 3: to be? Instagram bitch is so bad?
Speaker 4: Who the grown men be running their mouths way more
Speaker 4: than women nowadays, Like they can't wait to kiss and
Speaker 4: tell on your ass.
Speaker 3: You can't like niggas. Excuse me. You can't fuck niggas
Speaker 3: because you like them? No more, you can't.
Speaker 4: You gotta get something on them first. You gotta stick
Speaker 4: your finger in there butt. That's the only way you
Speaker 4: can do these things.
Speaker 3: Hit me up. I'm just joking, Shy, we love you. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't like it. Be certain people. I'd be like.
Speaker 4: These people are not problematic, they lay low, And it's
Speaker 4: just I can't stand when a motherfucker like come out
Speaker 4: and like trying to expose.
Speaker 3: Them somebody in any type of way. I don't like it.
Speaker 3: I don't like it.
Speaker 4: I feel like she should put another fifty bands on
Speaker 4: his head next case.
Speaker 3: His wife. Now she can't do that. She just gotta
Speaker 3: pray for the Lord.
Speaker 4: The Lord practiced vengeance, bitch, tear sh up in the Bible.
Speaker 3: Let him do it. Why he can't do it through me?
Speaker 3: There's a movie what was the movie about that?
Speaker 2: Where the guys were like doing the Lord's work and
Speaker 2: they was like killing people and they were like, uh.
Speaker 3: A kling bad people.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it was like something Boon Dout says or
Speaker 2: something like that.
Speaker 4: I don't know, this has been several movies like that.
Speaker 4: But why do people think, Okay, if y'all say this
Speaker 4: thing is a real thing, right, why can't I say
Speaker 4: God made me do it without being crazy? God told
Speaker 4: me to do it. God came to me and told
Speaker 4: me to do this thing. Now I'm crazy, no, I
Speaker 4: but don't y'all believe in it. I believe in God.
Speaker 2: And if you say, God, I told you to do something, now,
Speaker 2: I'm believe that because God told me.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you. God been speaking to me. I
Speaker 3: don't know if I've opened up with my uh what's
Speaker 3: the head shard?
Speaker 2: I because I've been getting like downloads, baby, I've been
Speaker 2: getting down loads.
Speaker 3: I said to this man, all right, y'all, I'm not joking.
Speaker 3: In the airport.
Speaker 2: I felt so compelled to tell this white man that
Speaker 2: everything was gonna be okay, right, But I just was scared.
Speaker 3: I was like, he gonna think I'm crazy.
Speaker 2: I just feel like God is telling me to tell
Speaker 2: this person is, but I'm just gonna not say it
Speaker 2: to him. And then I felt so convicted by not
Speaker 2: saying it, I couldn't even sleep that night. So I
Speaker 2: was like, Lord, if you ever sent me a message
Speaker 2: for someone else, I'm gonna I'm gonna share that message.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna hesitate.
Speaker 2: So I was on the flight again and there was
Speaker 2: this other man and he was humped over looking at
Speaker 2: his iPad like I mean all the way humped over,
Speaker 2: and I got it down.
Speaker 3: I loved it.
Speaker 2: Was like, tell that man to sit up straight. Tell
Speaker 2: that man he needs to sit up straight right now.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, I don't want to tell
Speaker 2: this man that.
Speaker 3: That's so weird. But I got out my seatbelt.
Speaker 2: I was like, this gonna sound crazy, but God said
Speaker 2: sit up straight, and he grabbed my hands.
Speaker 3: He was like, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 2: I went to the doctor and the doctors talked about
Speaker 2: my back in my sitting and I need to sit
Speaker 2: up straight, so you're right up straight.
Speaker 3: And I was like, Lord, use me, oh God, shame. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you gotta sit up straight. Yep. Like I learned that
Speaker 3: from another middle school teacher. She used to be like
Speaker 3: stop punking down, Yes.
Speaker 2: I'm about straight to hold your chests up. Yep, what's
Speaker 2: next to stupid internet news?
Speaker 3: Girl?
Speaker 4: What if now you know the girls, the girls, the
Speaker 4: girls be doing filters, the girls.
Speaker 3: Do all the things. What if you break out with
Speaker 3: a nigga.
Speaker 4: And he then posts all your unphotoshopped pictures on social media?
Speaker 3: Oh he said, teas win, Yeah he won. It's probably
Speaker 3: a Gemini ayant question.
Speaker 2: Or a Sagittarist because that behavior right there is definitely
Speaker 2: died my Gemini and.
Speaker 3: Sagittarius is like the opposite. I believe that. I believe that,
Speaker 3: Oh somebody did that girl? Yes, and listen.
Speaker 4: I don't know how truth the story is, y'all, but
Speaker 4: I thought it was very funny and I thought it
Speaker 4: could actually fucking happen. And I feel like maybe it's
Speaker 4: somebody out here trying to do the law's work for
Speaker 4: these niggas and putting ideas out there for the next
Speaker 4: person who get played.
Speaker 3: Listen, let me tell you something. After I photo shot
Speaker 3: my picture, the real picture don't exist no more. The
Speaker 3: leaked this is the real picture of bitch.
Speaker 4: She had a totally different body. She had the big booty,
Speaker 4: you know, flat stomach. The picture he posted.
Speaker 3: She had a gun. It's like he took her stomach
Speaker 3: and pushed it out. I would be like, first of all,
Speaker 3: that picture is photoshopped. This is my real body, Los Lulu.
Speaker 3: That's a that's around on them right quick? Don't somebody
Speaker 3: say I got a video you with a nigga at
Speaker 3: the beach. I was like, that's artificial intelligence. They doing
Speaker 3: everything with these computers. I mean, can you tell me
Speaker 3: it's not that's not me? Ship, that's not me? What
Speaker 3: fun is that? Who is that next to me? Like?
Speaker 3: That's my picture? But who? I would be so convincing,
Speaker 3: like lions right?
Speaker 4: Is that it's a I chat GPT created that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're trying to implement a new segment.
Speaker 4: Okay, it's called eminem messy uh memes, messy memes, that's what.
Speaker 3: It was town. Yeah, do you have one?
Speaker 4: Okay, let me tell y'all a messing me in my
Speaker 4: half of the week. I don't know if y'all saw
Speaker 4: this shit. I saw it on Spiritual World, but somebody commented,
Speaker 4: this is actually a tweet because y'all saw this week.
Speaker 4: Genie My was saying how she didn't have time to overlook,
Speaker 4: to look over the prenup before she signed it. She
Speaker 4: was like, she signed it like five days prior. So
Speaker 4: this Poe says Genie mind talking about she didn't read
Speaker 4: the prenup thoroughly and the comments saying.
Speaker 3: That's what happens when you held me up and oh
Speaker 3: my god.
Speaker 4: No, it like a little teaspoon of racism, isn't there?
Speaker 3: Yo, I can't fuck you.
Speaker 4: I'm sick of it, okay, but I love it at
Speaker 4: the same time, it's great pastime.
Speaker 3: I find myself strolling way too much and I gotta
Speaker 3: get the hair off Instagram. Y'all.
Speaker 2: We about to get into some real life whole shit
Speaker 2: when we come back.
Speaker 3: All right, y'all, welcome back. Listen. Today we have a
Speaker 3: very special guest. Okay. She's a self proclaimed sexologist. Uh.
Speaker 3: She's a professional hole.
Speaker 2: Uhtivational speaker, cultivational speaker okay, and hophisticated entrepreneur.
Speaker 3: I here slanging girl.
Speaker 4: On the website, she had a damn uh uh a
Speaker 4: sex goals planner. Okay, so you can plan out all
Speaker 4: your whole shit for twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: Okay, this is interesting. And she's also the host of
Speaker 3: the is it pro Hope? How do you pronounce the
Speaker 3: name of the podcast. Okay, this problematically provocative, Okay, provocative,
Speaker 3: the all Things Provocative podcast. So she's also a fellow podcaster.
Speaker 4: Y'all welcome Jody to wey.
Speaker 3: So do you spell hosts h O E s T
Speaker 3: or just h h O E s. Everything is whole bit, yes,
Speaker 3: friendly reminder that who is life. It's everywhere. But I
Speaker 3: do want to say that I am not a self
Speaker 3: proclaimed sexologist. I am a sexologist because she got paperwork
Speaker 3: on her Yeah, paperwork, Like I graduated in this whole ship.
Speaker 3: So the way, there's a there's a whole institution, institution,
Speaker 3: whole institution. Uh, but there are certification programs for people
Speaker 3: that are interested in becoming sexologists. So I did two
Speaker 3: different sexologist programs. One program was directly under doctor Rachel
Speaker 3: from the TV show The Doctors. Oh, she has a sexologist.
Speaker 3: This program called the Doctor Rachel Institute. So did her
Speaker 3: program and that covers all things sex. And then I
Speaker 3: did another certification program with sexpert consultants and that was
Speaker 3: where I got my bick sucking certification. Yeah, so there's
Speaker 3: a special certification out there. Yes, well you can get
Speaker 3: certified at all kind of ship these days. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: a professional. Yeah, aj you gonna feel bad. Hell yeah, listen,
Speaker 3: I got to love you. I got to love you.
Speaker 3: Down to work, get it? I get it? Yeah, I gotta.
Speaker 3: You know, just pretend like I do. It's okay. I
Speaker 3: just I got a question.
Speaker 2: You had to pay money for someone to teach you
Speaker 2: how to suck.
Speaker 3: It's to teach other people how to do it right.
Speaker 3: And then it's also you learn, like the anatomy, you
Speaker 3: learn the science behind it. It learn not just like
Speaker 3: all right, the mechanics of it, like of course, all right,
Speaker 3: you do this, but what comes behind do these things
Speaker 3: very well. It's one of these things where I feel
Speaker 3: like when it came to the certification program, the more
Speaker 3: you know, like when you really know the knowledge behind it,
Speaker 3: you just get really good at it because like, oh
Speaker 3: I know this gonna work, so uh definitely for me.
Speaker 3: Once I learned, like the anatomy, the science behind all
Speaker 3: of it, I got super excited about doing I'm like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, like I really like this. Like once
Speaker 3: I learned like the fun facts about like the even
Speaker 3: like what's in semen like excited me. Yeah, it's different,
Speaker 3: it's different things in that it's like melatonin in there. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean people like if you ever, like really went
Speaker 3: to work and you got a little tired, Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a little melotone in there.
Speaker 4: It gets something from the store yall know on y'all
Speaker 4: know it on BT movies. Be like, I guess you're
Speaker 4: wondering how I got here.
Speaker 3: How I got here, how you got here? Like what
Speaker 3: what what made? Yeah? Like what made you want to
Speaker 3: go into this particular field. So I was a podcaster first,
Speaker 3: and my podcast was always about sex. But then I
Speaker 3: was like, Okay, I don't just want to be a
Speaker 3: podcaster who's talking about sex and don't know what the
Speaker 3: hell they're talking about, right, So for me, it was
Speaker 3: really having the education behind it. Also, as I was
Speaker 3: learning more about myself through sex, I just wanted to
Speaker 3: continue to learn more and also help other people. But
Speaker 3: in order to help other people, you can't just go
Speaker 3: off your own experiences. You have to really study. So
Speaker 3: I was like, all right, I don't want to be
Speaker 3: I want the credentials. I want to say I'm qualified
Speaker 3: to speak about this now. Of course, again still a podcaster,
Speaker 3: so crack crack some jokes, for sure, I tell my
Speaker 3: stories the way I tell them, but when I get
Speaker 3: in like professional moments like okay, no behind the joke.
Speaker 3: This is where this comes from. So I just wanted
Speaker 3: to be able to exercise that dynamic in a lot
Speaker 3: of ways.
Speaker 4: Now, if y'all listening, we talked back a lot. Y'all
Speaker 4: know I always say, hos wear glasses. This girl is
Speaker 4: so sweet looking, She's so cute.
Speaker 2: And well, swallow you up, swallowed up?
Speaker 3: Have you ever been swallowed? I told y'all, I'm fucking
Speaker 3: school teachers, them nurses and the gag is I got lasik.
Speaker 3: These are not prescriptions. So she was really blind. I
Speaker 3: was really blind. But now this is just for the
Speaker 3: aesthetics so that people look and like, oh she doesn't
Speaker 3: look like.
Speaker 2: But okay, question, why why did you go with hoe
Speaker 2: for everything? You know, there's such a negative connotation that
Speaker 2: goes with that term, So why did you pick that
Speaker 2: to you know, be your brand?
Speaker 3: So for me, the when provocative was kind of like
Speaker 3: born right, It was born as I was at home
Speaker 3: doing a Dishit. I got a lot of good ideas
Speaker 3: from water, like touching water, being in water like literally
Speaker 3: and walking. Yeah, probably because I'm a water sign. But
Speaker 3: I get I draw a lot of inspiration from it, right,
Speaker 3: So I'm doing the dishes. And what I realized about
Speaker 3: myself is that I've always been kind of a provocative person,
Speaker 3: just like the things I say sometimes, the way I dress,
Speaker 3: Like people look at me and they're like, way, why
Speaker 3: did you do that? Right? So then I was like provocative,
Speaker 3: But I'm a speller with hoe. And the reason I'm
Speaker 3: going to spell it with hoe is because hole represents
Speaker 3: all of our repressed desires, right. It represents the parts
Speaker 3: of us that people say like, no, that's bad, like
Speaker 3: you shouldn't do that because you don't want to be
Speaker 3: seen this way. Right. How Ever, there's so much power
Speaker 3: in embracing that that dark side, that negativity. You can
Speaker 3: really find out who you are by leaning into that
Speaker 3: part of your mom who you are as a person. Right,
Speaker 3: So just playing on that idea between Like even in
Speaker 3: society they want a group women in like a right,
Speaker 3: you're either respectable or you're a whole. There's no in
Speaker 3: between them. Right. However, if the worst thing that you
Speaker 3: can say about me is that I am a hoe,
Speaker 3: but I'm like, no, I know who I am. There's
Speaker 3: nobody can call you something if you don't give them
Speaker 3: the power to call you something. What your grandma say,
Speaker 3: it ain't, it ain't What they call you is what
Speaker 3: your answer to? What your answer to exactly? So Okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: you can call me whatever you want, right, However, the
Speaker 3: only person that knows what I do is me, so
Speaker 3: it has no power here. So for me to kind
Speaker 3: of take that and say, like all right, cool, Like again,
Speaker 3: nobody can. If the worst thing that somebody can call
Speaker 3: me jody is a whole, but I built a whole
Speaker 3: brand around it, then that just means that I'm a
Speaker 3: good marketer because nobody really knows what I do. So
Speaker 3: what's your definition of a whole Jody? Just someone who
Speaker 3: does not care about the what's socially acceptable when it
Speaker 3: comes to sexuality. Right, So it's not a matter of
Speaker 3: body count necessarily, right, because we know people who will
Speaker 3: be called a hole based on what they wear that
Speaker 3: has nothing to do with your actual sexual activity, right people, Oh,
Speaker 3: she's this. We also know what we also know to
Speaker 3: be true is that there's a lot of hurt in
Speaker 3: that word. There's a lot of trauma, there's a lot
Speaker 3: of pain in that word. Right, There are a lot
Speaker 3: both for the person being called it and the person
Speaker 3: that's using the word. So for someone to use that word,
Speaker 3: you have to be an ugly person to use that
Speaker 3: word to try to describe someone to kind of bring
Speaker 3: them down, right, because it's supposed to be a humbling word, right,
Speaker 3: It's supposed to be a word, a derogatory term. Like
Speaker 3: for you to use that word to describe someone else,
Speaker 3: you have to be fucked up. You have to be
Speaker 3: a bad person even to even like say that about somebody,
Speaker 3: like you have to be There has to be so
Speaker 3: much judgment there, so much like pain. You're unhappy first
Speaker 3: of all, why you're worried about what I'm doing with
Speaker 3: my Kouchi magic own, Like, it's just it's a it's
Speaker 3: a lot to unpack, right, So for me to kind
Speaker 3: of like really take a look at myself. Mind you,
Speaker 3: when I when I started this brand, I was starting
Speaker 3: the whole face.
Speaker 2: I I'm like, it's a badge of honor.
Speaker 3: I was new to it. I've just been I had
Speaker 3: just gotten out of a six year relationship, yo, Like
Speaker 3: I've never been. Oh, I know, but I not tried.
Speaker 3: And that's what I like. Literally, And when I tell you,
Speaker 3: I was like, you know what, I've never masturbated. Like literally,
Speaker 3: I had to go all the like I had to
Speaker 3: go all the way back, like I was one of
Speaker 3: those people that just had so much shame around it, right,
Speaker 3: And I was like, you know what, I'm going to
Speaker 3: find myself through homing. This is this is my mission,
Speaker 3: this is my journey, this is what I'm going to do.
Speaker 3: So then I'm like, all right, cool, I'm going to
Speaker 3: figure out what it is that I like. Now I'm
Speaker 3: going to deconstruct these ideas of oh, you should only
Speaker 3: have sex with people you're in a relationship with, or
Speaker 3: you should only have this amount of bodies, or you
Speaker 3: should like so really kind of like unpacking that and
Speaker 3: figuring out what's gonna work for me sexually so that
Speaker 3: I have control over my sexualis.
Speaker 4: So this guy you was in a six year relationship with, Wait,
Speaker 4: what do you think you think about?
Speaker 3: You?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 3: Do all even speak? I don't give it inn So
Speaker 3: it's funny because this guy in particular, he was like
Speaker 3: he was the most toxic. Like, I'm so glad I
Speaker 3: got out of that situation when I did, because I
Speaker 3: think that I had to get out of that relationship.
Speaker 3: So that provocative could be born because I do strongly
Speaker 3: believe that there are a lot of women out there
Speaker 3: that can resonate with my experience and you know the
Speaker 3: things that I say because I only talk about, you know,
Speaker 3: hoeing as a way to figure out what it is
Speaker 3: that you and what do you desire. If you have
Speaker 3: a whole face for like six months and you say, nah,
Speaker 3: this ain't it. Congratulations, good job, Like you you've been
Speaker 3: able to get what you needed to get out the experience.
Speaker 3: But if you you go through it and then you're like,
Speaker 3: you know what, No, I'm gonna keep doing this because
Speaker 3: this works for me. All yeah, like just figure out
Speaker 3: what works now. This guy he took me through the wringer,
Speaker 3: so he like he was one of those people where
Speaker 3: he was like he wanted me to feel low. So
Speaker 3: that so it was very much a lot of power dynamics.
Speaker 3: So for me to go away from that and then
Speaker 3: kind of like really figure out who I am, like
Speaker 3: one kind of had to happen for the other. But
Speaker 3: in times of like what he thinks of me, like
Speaker 3: I can care less because I am a happier person
Speaker 3: because of what I've been doings.
Speaker 2: So you kind of repurposed and repackaged whole kind of
Speaker 2: like nigger and nigger?
Speaker 3: Is that? Is that? What? It's? Okay? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: People have asked me like, so are you in like
Speaker 3: your bunny rabbit ship, like when he was like, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: I do live in a trailer with my moms, Like
Speaker 3: like I got you, kind of saying I'm on my
Speaker 3: bunny free world, Papa Dug, fuck a clock. I don't
Speaker 3: watch TV. I don't know what the hell is going on.
Speaker 3: So you're motivational speaking what does that entail? So again,
Speaker 3: just encouraging people to find who they are through exploring
Speaker 3: themselves sexually, right, Because you can do whole shit while
Speaker 3: in a relationship, whole tendencies, I call it you. You
Speaker 3: can do whole shit single. It doesn't really matter. It's
Speaker 3: about like are you being unapologetic when you're doing it? Right?
Speaker 3: Are you really doing it to figure out what it
Speaker 3: is that you want to do? Not taking into account
Speaker 3: how people because again, some people be in relationships and
Speaker 3: they don't want to do certain things with their partner
Speaker 3: them because they're like, oh, how they're going to look
Speaker 3: at me after? That's all shame. Shame is socially constructed
Speaker 3: let's say forget that, because guess what, at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, I want to feel I want to
Speaker 3: have a sexual a sex life of a like of
Speaker 3: abundance of satisfaction. Right. You cannot be satisfied if you
Speaker 3: are depriving yourself of quality sexual experiences. And that's subjective
Speaker 3: because it's going to be based on the person. Right,
Speaker 3: So what you would deem it's a quality sex life
Speaker 3: based on what society is telling you shouldn't shouldn't do,
Speaker 3: Like that has ship to do with So yeah.
Speaker 4: I definitely can uh you like being in a relationship
Speaker 4: with somebody trying to shame you and me and town.
Speaker 4: I could not have been doing this podcast if I
Speaker 4: would have stayed in my last relationship. Our very first
Speaker 4: episode that Nigga came downstairs and was like.
Speaker 3: Are you a hole?
Speaker 4: I had to take myself out the fucking lunch before
Speaker 4: I answered that nigga, And when I got back, I
Speaker 4: was like, you know what I am, now deal with it, Like,
Speaker 4: now now what you're going to do?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, And it's like, now what you're going to do? Yeah?
Speaker 3: It's crazy because guys love hoes period, They love them,
Speaker 3: marry them all the time you can't spell house, they
Speaker 3: marry them. They they like they're they're everywhere right. And
Speaker 3: what also doesn't make sense is that how do you
Speaker 3: want the freakiest chick in the world would want her
Speaker 3: to be a virgin when you meet her? Virgin holes?
Speaker 3: Like we always say men want virgin holes. Chah, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it makes no sense, Like, yeah, there are a lot
Speaker 3: of men that don't truly know what they want. Because
Speaker 3: a mature man who truly knows what he wants, he's
Speaker 3: gonna tear you like, yeah, I want you to be
Speaker 3: at sea, and I want you to have some experience
Speaker 3: because a man, he's And also i've heard this before,
Speaker 3: like I've heard this direct from men's mouth. They're like
Speaker 3: having sex with somebody that doesn't have that much sexual
Speaker 3: experience is boring. They don't really like it, Like she's
Speaker 3: not doing anything. She just doesn't know. She doesn't know
Speaker 3: herself to even be able to communicate that to a partner.
Speaker 3: So yeah, most just be saying anything. Most men would
Speaker 3: probably say.
Speaker 4: That doesn't really correlate to how many partners though, because
Speaker 4: you could learn all the things from one partner.
Speaker 3: Maybe you know how to you know how to fuck
Speaker 3: that partner right for everybody?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I need a few couple, yeah, couple. I
Speaker 4: want to talk about threesomes and.
Speaker 3: Trains.
Speaker 4: What's the difference, because now, right now this is a
Speaker 4: trending thing online. I forgot it was a singer I saw.
Speaker 4: She was so passionate about it. Explain how there's a
Speaker 4: difference between a train and a threesome. And her definition
Speaker 4: was a train is like there's one woman and the
Speaker 4: guys are in and out the room, so after he's done,
Speaker 4: somebody else comes in. That's my that's really my definition
Speaker 4: of a train too. And then the threesome she said,
Speaker 4: everybody's in the room together, and she said, most heterosexual
Speaker 4: men are not doing like threesomes. And I found this, uh,
Speaker 4: this little write up online and that's what it's suggested too,
Speaker 4: Like if it's the threesome and the men are touching
Speaker 4: the women, then they would consider that a threesome.
Speaker 3: But if not, it's a train.
Speaker 4: So I mean the men are touching each other, that's
Speaker 4: what I meant, Like bisexual men basically, then it would
Speaker 4: be considered a threesome. But if it's just one woman,
Speaker 4: a dicking ass, dicking and pussy, I mean excuse me
Speaker 4: dicking and pussy dick in the mouth, it is a train.
Speaker 3: So I definitely think this topic is Uh. It's interesting
Speaker 3: because as people describe what they certain things are, you
Speaker 3: kind of get a sense of how they think. Right, So,
Speaker 3: a lot of men who will say that basically an
Speaker 3: MFM male female meal threesome. There are a lot of
Speaker 3: men that will say an MFM off bat is a train. Now,
Speaker 3: let's think about why they say that, because of homophobia.
Speaker 3: They don't want to be seen as you know, even
Speaker 3: if it's like, oh, well, me and my homie we
Speaker 3: ran her, they will say that because it's about a
Speaker 3: power dynamic. They don't want to be seen it's less
Speaker 3: than dominant in that situation because if there's another man present,
Speaker 3: they don't even want people to associate them with homosexuality.
Speaker 3: That's why a lot of men get super passionate about like, oh, no,
Speaker 3: it's a train, because at that point they're saying like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's not her, our dicks didn't touch exactly right. However,
Speaker 3: how many times have women been in threesome situations with
Speaker 3: other women and they've not interacted because they're not so
Speaker 3: so I've also my very first threesome. Me and the
Speaker 3: woman did not you know, outside of like oh, like
Speaker 3: she was sucking on my titdies. But outside of that,
Speaker 3: it's like, no, I didn't I at that time, I
Speaker 3: wasn't even giving women head like I like, what we're
Speaker 3: gonna do? I don't know, Like, so I wouldn't say that, oh,
Speaker 3: we ran a train on him, Like, no, it was
Speaker 3: still a threesome. A threesome is I tell people threesomes
Speaker 3: are like a damn with three people. Same way if
Speaker 3: it's it's regular sex with two people, it's a dance, right,
Speaker 3: It's not my fault that y'all did the cha cha
Speaker 3: and we was over here doing the two step Like
Speaker 3: it's just a different dance. It's just a different dance.
Speaker 3: If there are three people in a room naked with
Speaker 3: each other, it doesn't matter, if you know what I'm saying. Uh,
Speaker 3: the the men were overly engaged. They could look, they
Speaker 3: could have gave each other half ab Guess what, you
Speaker 3: still participated in the threesome. It was not a train.
Speaker 3: I think there is a such thing as a train
Speaker 3: because I think again, the train is about who is
Speaker 3: in control in that moment and who is kind of
Speaker 3: like just being used almost a train for me is
Speaker 3: like when you think about being used, just being used, right,
Speaker 3: so almost as if you're just a whole a sex toy. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like you're that's that's it. It's not about pleasure, it's
Speaker 3: it's a very it's it's not a mutually beneficial pleasurable experience.
Speaker 3: It is a one way pleasurable experience almost. But again
Speaker 3: that also depends on the situation with that person, because
Speaker 3: there might be a woman who's like, no, I'm into
Speaker 3: you know, gang bangs or what have you. Like, you know,
Speaker 3: it's a whole group of women for stuff like that, right, Definitely.
Speaker 3: I'm not a kink shamer. So that's that. I think
Speaker 3: that when it comes to the power dynamic, if there
Speaker 3: is a man who is on the bed and there
Speaker 3: are women in and out back to back, guess what,
Speaker 3: it's a train. It's a train. But the men wouldn't
Speaker 3: consider that a train.
Speaker 4: Of course they would, but it's like like they use
Speaker 4: it to demean the woman in the situation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's like for me, of course, there are
Speaker 3: a lot of men who, because of patriarchy and homophobia,
Speaker 3: they're going to say, well, that's not it just because
Speaker 3: they're saying that's not it don't mean it. That's like,
Speaker 3: that's accurate.
Speaker 4: But if it was like a whole line of women
Speaker 4: just come into this man to get they pussy eate,
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure men would agree that that's a train
Speaker 4: because yes.
Speaker 3: And that's but that's what I'm saying to the man
Speaker 3: because again that man is being used. So the reason
Speaker 3: that men like, oh will it, Men don't like to
Speaker 3: have their dick involved in stuff because now they still
Speaker 3: have control over the situation, Like that's all that is.
Speaker 3: It's like, look, well if I did, That's why men
Speaker 3: won't admit when they just be eating, eating women out
Speaker 3: and not getting no ass. They don't want to admit
Speaker 3: how often they be doing that because the power thing
Speaker 3: like if motherfucker's really new, you was a munch in
Speaker 3: real life because there are so many women. I was like, no,
Speaker 3: it's a couple men that exactly. Yeah, So that's what
Speaker 3: it is. Like men just don't want to be seen,
Speaker 3: and it's like it's super unfortunate because patriarchy doesn't really
Speaker 3: benefit them. They're not able to really like explore their
Speaker 3: sexuality in a way that is not limited because of
Speaker 3: patriarchy and homosexual homophobia basics. Right, So if they would
Speaker 3: kind of like get up out of that, they wouldn't
Speaker 3: have to worry about women saying like, oh, well I
Speaker 3: would have been cool with doing this sexual act, but
Speaker 3: now I'm on the fence because of how you view
Speaker 3: sex in general.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think train comes from like high school, right, Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 4: me personally, I think that if I don't know what
Speaker 4: the age limit is, but you are grown ass man,
Speaker 4: why are you having sex in a room with another
Speaker 4: man if you if you aren't intimate?
Speaker 3: It's just weird to me. Really. Yeah. I mean, like
Speaker 3: I said, I don't think shame. So it's definitely it
Speaker 3: takes a certain type of man to do something like that.
Speaker 3: I've gone to like sex parties and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: and you I mean like in a threesome situation, yeah,
Speaker 3: just like you. Yeah. But then also with that, like
Speaker 3: there are heterosexual men that would be curious about that,
Speaker 3: but they will never admit it out loud because they
Speaker 3: don't want people to think they're gay. So it's like, again,
Speaker 3: patriarchy and homophobia doesn't really serve them because it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: you kind of really want to explore this too bad,
Speaker 3: like because you can't openly admit it. And then if
Speaker 3: it's almost like oh, they almost have to wait on
Speaker 3: like they grill as somebody to like bring that to
Speaker 3: even with that, Like there are a lot of women
Speaker 3: who fantasize about mfms, but they can't voice it because
Speaker 3: then they got them Like so it's oh something you
Speaker 3: don't you know. It's a lot of men that don't
Speaker 3: even want you to bring toys into the bedroom, Like
Speaker 3: they'll be like, all right, well you could bring a squirrel,
Speaker 3: but I draw the line at the deal though, like
Speaker 3: come on now, man, Like.
Speaker 2: I'm like, y'all this whole conversation to growl for me.
Speaker 2: I'm like lost the sauce, Like, okay, tell me that.
Speaker 3: I have never had a threesome. I've never had a train.
Speaker 2: No, I like, no, no, seriously, I never had Like
Speaker 2: in Miami.
Speaker 3: Me, this girl I met in Miami got drunk.
Speaker 2: She invited me back to their room and then they
Speaker 2: ended up getting into a fight before anything happened.
Speaker 3: So I left, So you was down.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know what was gonna happen,
Speaker 2: Like it was supposed to be like a like me
Speaker 2: watching them situation. Okay, that's okay, supposed to send me
Speaker 2: your boy your bag, I like that, but nothing happened.
Speaker 2: She got they started arguing and I left and what
Speaker 2: was the like in my twenties.
Speaker 3: He put his hand in my jumper? Was about you? No, yeah,
Speaker 3: that was it.
Speaker 2: That was the closest I've ever come to that And
Speaker 2: then like a train. Absolutely not. I have no interest
Speaker 2: in that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, same, uh, never had a had never been in
Speaker 3: a trained situation. I've had a couple three three different
Speaker 3: three different couples, five different incidents. So one couple was
Speaker 3: like the favorite. That was the merry couple. They're really
Speaker 3: cool people, really cool people like, yeah I am I'm
Speaker 3: always the third. I'm always the third. There's I like
Speaker 3: being a third. I think there's hour and being a third.
Speaker 3: But also I know a lot of people that want
Speaker 3: to be a third, but they don't want to be
Speaker 3: They want to be a third because they don't want
Speaker 3: to have a threesome with their partner because they're like,
Speaker 3: oh what if you no, I don't like how like
Speaker 3: they're kissing this other person or what have you. I
Speaker 3: am glad that I was the third before I was
Speaker 3: anything else, because I know that if I was ever
Speaker 3: to have a threesome with a current partner, I know
Speaker 3: how I would want it to go, and I would
Speaker 3: know the rules. I would know the community, you know,
Speaker 3: like how to communicate so that everyone has a pleasurable experience.
Speaker 3: So my first experience was like super mid I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: like wasn't really yeah, just because the after care. So
Speaker 3: after the fact, the girl got super weird because she
Speaker 3: was like, oh uh, the guy that we again, I'm
Speaker 3: the third So I didn't I wasn't asking for this.
Speaker 3: I thought we was going bowling. I don't know how
Speaker 3: we got here, Like, I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 3: But he was like commenting on like a lot of
Speaker 3: like my posts and stuff like that. So now it's
Speaker 3: like everything that he does, she's getting like upset, and
Speaker 3: so now it's driving a whig between them. Next thing,
Speaker 3: I know, like a couple of weeks later, she's texting
Speaker 3: me like, so is you fucking woo woo? And I'm like, girl,
Speaker 3: what like did you have sex with my guy without
Speaker 3: me exactly? And I'm like, excuse me, Like, but what's
Speaker 3: crazy about that is why would you like you're saying
Speaker 3: you're you're claiming him as yours. Why are we even
Speaker 3: having this conversation.
Speaker 4: Because she probably doing something to appease him in the
Speaker 4: first place, because why are you that insecure?
Speaker 3: And once y'all do the thing, that's my point.
Speaker 4: So how do you negotiate the terms before doing because
Speaker 4: if you're the third right, so usually you're fucking with
Speaker 4: couples for the most part, right, So how do you
Speaker 4: negotiate the terms? So now, so shit isn't weird after
Speaker 4: the fact.
Speaker 3: First of all, the threesome should always be initiated by
Speaker 3: the woman. You should not, I strongly recommend that you
Speaker 3: interact with the woman. There should be she is in
Speaker 3: control all that's her guy it there shouldn't even be like, oh,
Speaker 3: well the guy approached me and now he's bringing his
Speaker 3: gro No, no, I want to talk to her because
Speaker 3: as women we should we should be on one accord,
Speaker 3: and y'all as a couple should be on one accord.
Speaker 3: The man should just be happy that he got invited.
Speaker 3: So so first, yeah, rule number one. Uh, the woman
Speaker 3: in the relationship, she she is controlling the dynamic. If
Speaker 3: there's a good dynamic there, there will be a good
Speaker 3: overall sexual experience. So that's rule number one. Uh. Rule
Speaker 3: number two. Uh, don't assume that that you like, penetration
Speaker 3: is involved. I'll say that because I've had a three somewhere.
Speaker 3: There was no penetration, and that was my favorite one actually,
Speaker 3: So it was more so me and the woman interacting
Speaker 3: and then like it was like oral with her husband.
Speaker 3: But also that's because it's like, all right, she What
Speaker 3: was funny about that is the hold on Does that count?
Speaker 2: Because that's kind of like if a tree falls in
Speaker 2: the woods and nobody is it doesn't make it sound
Speaker 2: kind of situation.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't I did say I didn't know,
Speaker 3: so I said I was not penetrated. I did not
Speaker 3: say that me and the husband didn't have any sexual interactions.
Speaker 3: So the wife doesn't like sucking dick. I love sucking dick. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so it worked out it like but it was like
Speaker 3: it was it was a super pleasurable experience. But what
Speaker 3: I found out later is that she didn't tell him
Speaker 3: that he couldn't penetrate. He is, out of respect for
Speaker 3: his wife, didn't assume penetration. So what I'll say is
Speaker 3: when you you can almost get a sense of like
Speaker 3: when the couple is on one of court. So when
Speaker 3: you said that, that couple started arguing and you left
Speaker 3: good because they were not on one court. Make sure
Speaker 3: there's I don't think I was with him either. I
Speaker 3: didn't scare to say, y'all, like what, maybe I should leave.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I should be here, but yeah,
Speaker 3: there has to be a healthy couple dynamic because you
Speaker 3: bringing somebody else into your house and you don't want
Speaker 3: to bring somebody else into a messy house. So I'll
Speaker 3: definitely say that and just having an open mind, have
Speaker 3: fun with it. I used to be a girl I
Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, I'm not eating pussy, and
Speaker 3: then I ate it and I was like, oh this
Speaker 3: is cool, like like it was cool and I'm glad
Speaker 3: that I had that experience because what's wrong? Go ahead? Girl? Yeah,
Speaker 3: like I definitely, But also I used to be that
Speaker 3: girl that kill when I was having sex, like maybe
Speaker 3: five years before I even started sucking dick. So it's
Speaker 3: like oral just across the board. Was And then also
Speaker 3: I tell people I'm not even a bisexual, Like just
Speaker 3: because I participate in threesomes and I've eaten a pussy
Speaker 3: or two, that doesn't mean that I identify as bisexual,
Speaker 3: I identify as a free code. That's the difference. Like
Speaker 3: if I is that a new gender? Is that a
Speaker 3: new gender? Yeah, supposed to be a part of the
Speaker 3: episode that's to go through all the different sexualities live Jesus. Yes,
Speaker 3: my preferred pronoun is freak cold because I am not
Speaker 3: a bisexual. Yo.
Speaker 2: I'm confused at that because so you don't like women
Speaker 2: or you do like women?
Speaker 3: No, I'm not sexually attracted to women. No, Like I
Speaker 3: don't look at women's like, oh I'm turned on. No.
Speaker 3: So when you ate some pussy, you was just like,
Speaker 3: what is it? What does it taste? Like? Like, I
Speaker 3: don't know what made you want to like eat? Did
Speaker 3: you in a moment? Yeah? So for me, it was
Speaker 3: me tapping into a very specific kink I have. It
Speaker 3: has nothing to do with the person, right. So there's
Speaker 3: a reason that I like sucking dick so much, That's
Speaker 3: what I wanted to say, because of the reaction. It
Speaker 3: is the physical reaction that I'm seeing with like literally
Speaker 3: as I'm sucking dick and I'm seeing the like I'm
Speaker 3: seeing the squirm and I'm hearing the moans. So that's ego, Yes,
Speaker 3: very much. I am huge stroke my ego round my head.
Speaker 3: Tell me I'm being a good girl. Affirm me, like
Speaker 3: I love all that shit. So when it came so
Speaker 3: at that point, it's like it has nothing to do
Speaker 3: it this being a woman. At this point, if I'm
Speaker 3: getting this reaction from you, I'm like, oh shit, I'm
Speaker 3: doing my band down here. So that's what for me?
Speaker 3: A free code.
Speaker 4: Well here we talked back, we have You know, to us,
Speaker 4: there's two Well to me, I don't know about tim,
Speaker 4: but to me, there's two different types of sexually liberated women.
Speaker 4: Is the sluts and there's holes. Hoes get paid. So
Speaker 4: for these threesomes? Are you making money off of them? Like,
Speaker 4: I'll be trying to undertand the psychology of this shit,
Speaker 4: right because it only makes sense to me as like
Speaker 4: a like cause you know the definition of who has
Speaker 4: money in the actual definition, there's.
Speaker 3: An exchange there. I can understand that.
Speaker 4: But just to be doing some free cod shit just
Speaker 4: to do it, I be trying to really understand the
Speaker 4: psychology of that shit, like this, what is the psychology
Speaker 4: of getting a train ran on you?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So I can't speak for that because that's not
Speaker 3: one of my kinks. But what I would say is
Speaker 3: doing anything for your own sexual gratification is payment enough, right,
Speaker 3: Because think about how many times you've had sex with
Speaker 3: somebody and then been unsatisfied, Right, So if you can
Speaker 3: actually get satisfaction from doing something that you genuinely wanted
Speaker 3: to do, that's payment enough. That said, the married couple
Speaker 3: definitely pay Mark Karno, it wasn't. It's one of those
Speaker 3: things where it's like, you know, like you don't directly
Speaker 3: ask somebody for some money, but they make sure you straight. Right,
Speaker 3: that's still transaction.
Speaker 2: I'm about to say it's still transactional, But no, it wasn't.
Speaker 2: Forty dollars on the dresser.
Speaker 3: Definitely not. There was more like eight hundred dollars in
Speaker 3: my hand before we even had sex. So I'm like, look,
Speaker 3: I would have been down anyway, cherry on top, That's
Speaker 3: what I be thinking. I'd be thinking like sluts, like
Speaker 3: they don't know.
Speaker 4: How to transfer the activity into monetary value.
Speaker 3: That's what I've made up for them. I don't. Maybe
Speaker 3: they just do it because they really really like it.
Speaker 3: So do you use the term slut? Oh, I'm mostly
Speaker 3: when I talk about sluts, I'm talking about me and
Speaker 3: men are sluts like you don't really call them nigga's
Speaker 3: easy okay, yeah, like they easy, like I call men
Speaker 3: sluts ho cheese like they like. They're the real issue,
Speaker 3: not us. I agree.
Speaker 4: If all three of us were to go to some
Speaker 4: random party in our cities, we probably we might see
Speaker 4: a nigga in that we already had sex with.
Speaker 3: If a man goes to.
Speaker 4: A party or a club or somewhere, he probably gonna
Speaker 4: see I don't know, twenty different women he had sex with.
Speaker 3: Yes, men are bottle girl the hostess. Not all may
Speaker 3: be getting pussy as much as y'all giving them credit.
Speaker 4: The men is getting some pussy, like I'm telling about
Speaker 4: then that we would be dealing with if I will.
Speaker 3: I'm not mad at ma'am. I'm saying that because I
Speaker 3: recently learned this, because I think I thought, like ging
Speaker 3: be out here getting pussy, But the comments on social
Speaker 3: media literally reveals that it's too many men out here
Speaker 3: that aint getting pussy because they're too concerned with they're samulites. Girl,
Speaker 3: you gotta call them out.
Speaker 4: The one thing I do love is that is they're
Speaker 4: literally raising their hands so we know who to fight
Speaker 4: to stay the hell away from here.
Speaker 3: I am ain't had sex in a year. I'm mad,
Speaker 3: but ship I ain't mad. I be mad too, Right.
Speaker 3: The thing is they could.
Speaker 4: Get some pussy, right, but they're not going to get
Speaker 4: the pussy they think they deserve.
Speaker 3: Because they want the Instagram Batty's wi the no no,
Speaker 3: like not you want a Instagram Batty? And you look
Speaker 3: like you flipping burgers at McDonalds, like relax, like come on?
Speaker 2: No like no, so here on the show we typically
Speaker 2: we had an episode called ho and don't heal? But
Speaker 2: you you're saying that Howen does?
Speaker 3: Yeah? But you just explaining it? Can so I said
Speaker 3: it again. It's funny because I had an episode called
Speaker 3: like oh then hell. It was like that's how I
Speaker 3: named it because it's all about your intention, right, Like
Speaker 3: you have to be intentional in the things that you do.
Speaker 3: So if you are just out here just having sex,
Speaker 3: neglecting your own pleasure, neglecting the outcome that you want
Speaker 3: in this situation, not learning about yourself, not learning about
Speaker 3: what you will truly take pleasure in. What are your kinks,
Speaker 3: what are your fetishes? What makes your toes curl? Where
Speaker 3: was the last time you had an orgasm, like really
Speaker 3: doing a reflection for your sexual activity and asking yourself
Speaker 3: why am I doing this? Because that's key. You have
Speaker 3: to know why you're doing it. So you have to
Speaker 3: hold with intentions because if you don't have no intentions,
Speaker 3: you just gonna like you just you're just doing so
Speaker 3: like a hole with boundaries. Yeah, I'm very much a
Speaker 3: hole with boundaries. Like I'll tell somebody in a minute, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it might be a whole, but I promise you can't
Speaker 3: name three guys I slept with, because again, I'm going
Speaker 3: to do what I need to do and how I
Speaker 3: do it, Like I definitely still know where I'm a
Speaker 3: pussy be like I keep up with her. So but
Speaker 3: I definitely think that matter. Yes, like the Goals book,
Speaker 3: because I set goals old people like, look, be intentional,
Speaker 3: So what say about you're intentional with everything else in life,
Speaker 3: be intentional with your sex life. So what's a whole goal?
Speaker 3: So a whole goal could be you might say, like,
Speaker 3: all right, I've never hit an orgasm, because a lot
Speaker 3: of women don't have orgasms. Or you might say, like,
Speaker 3: I've never hit an orgasm in this particular situation. Right,
Speaker 3: eighty percent of women don't experience orgasms from penetrate of
Speaker 3: sex alone, right, so there has to be some kind
Speaker 3: of clatorial stimulation. You might challenge yourself to say, all right,
Speaker 3: my goal is to have an orgasm through penetration. Well
Speaker 3: what would need to happen for that to happen? So
Speaker 3: really being intentional about the setting the stage because sex performance, right,
Speaker 3: So what does it mean for you to really let go?
Speaker 3: Because you can have an orgasm without being penetrated or
Speaker 3: you know, without a clatorial stimulation, Like there are multiple
Speaker 3: there are up to like maybe eight types of orgasms.
Speaker 3: You have an anal orgasm. You can have orgasms just
Speaker 3: from if you find the right person to whisper in
Speaker 3: your ear ever so softly, you might have an orgasm.
Speaker 3: But you have to tap into that energy source. So
Speaker 3: what does that mean that you have to do to
Speaker 3: get to that goal? Does it mean that you're being
Speaker 3: more mindful, You're meditating, you're taking care of yourself, You're
Speaker 3: doing a self care routine where you know what, before
Speaker 3: I masturbate, I'm gonna take me a high bath and
Speaker 3: I'm gonna li Some can guess I make love to myself.
Speaker 3: But that's what it's say yes, yes, like really take
Speaker 3: care of yourself because then when you walk away from
Speaker 3: that experience and you're like, oh my god, I just
Speaker 3: fucked ship out of myself. Now you can communicate what
Speaker 3: you like to someone else, and you can tell them
Speaker 3: when it's not working for you, Like it's hard to
Speaker 3: communicate when something isn't working for you if you haven't
Speaker 3: done the work to know what will work.
Speaker 4: Right, that's a whole phase, so you can know what
Speaker 4: you're like, yes, let's talk about this.
Speaker 3: So wit should it be a phase or should it
Speaker 3: be a lifestyle? Whatever works for you, whatever works for you,
Speaker 3: like as long as again you're being super intentional, like
Speaker 3: that part of your life might last a year and
Speaker 3: you say, you know what, I've learned the lessons that
Speaker 3: I need to learn, I've received whatever I was supposed
Speaker 3: to receive from this part of my life, and now
Speaker 3: I'm ready for what's next. But it might need to
Speaker 3: last three years, it might need to last five years.
Speaker 3: Everybody is going to be different, and it's also going
Speaker 3: to depend on like your natural attachment styles, like are
Speaker 3: you a serial monogamous? Like what's going on? Like that's
Speaker 3: a whole another conversation. But That's why everybody's journey when
Speaker 3: it comes to sex. It's so different.
Speaker 4: You asking that question like you ain't know. It was
Speaker 4: a lifestyling of twenties and now it's not.
Speaker 3: I'm asking for our audience. And that's the thing too,
Speaker 3: Like again, every week we certain women experience it in
Speaker 3: their twenties. Some don't. Like me, I was in a
Speaker 3: relationship from the age of sixteen or twenty three, and
Speaker 3: I was in another relationship from twenty four to thirty,
Speaker 3: like I never had a whole phase. And then I
Speaker 3: turned thirty and I was like, you know what, I'm
Speaker 3: not getting into another relationship until I experience sex, and
Speaker 3: I experience sex on my times. So now, oh, if
Speaker 3: somebody ain't hitting the right, hey baby, we got let's
Speaker 3: have a conversation a chalkboard.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like it's hard to have relationships, like
Speaker 2: serious relationships with men with this type of platform.
Speaker 3: Yes and no. So I say yes because cause majority
Speaker 3: of men are just misogynistic and very one sided. However,
Speaker 3: anybody that knows me in real life knows that my
Speaker 3: platform is twenty percent of who I am. And if
Speaker 3: you are even interested in you know what I'm saying like,
Speaker 3: if you don't want to get to know the the
Speaker 3: eighty percent of you know other parts of me, I'm
Speaker 3: fine with that. I'll never try to pressure you or
Speaker 3: convince you otherwise. Like that's cool. There are millions of
Speaker 3: people on this earth, period, So no, I'm good. However,
Speaker 3: the people that get close and they're like, you know what, No,
Speaker 3: I get it. I see what you're doing. I see you.
Speaker 3: I appreciate for appreciate you for who you are. I
Speaker 3: see you beyond that. Because here's the thing. I upload
Speaker 3: a post that I just got my NBA and graduated
Speaker 3: magnecom Lotti and likes I go viral every time I
Speaker 3: talk about Dick, that's the world we live in. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna play the game or I'm gonna let the game
Speaker 3: play with me, period, right, thank you. Yeah, But it's
Speaker 3: like I say that to say, like, that's literally the
Speaker 3: world we live in. And I remember, like it was
Speaker 3: maybe like five years five six years ago, well before provocative.
Speaker 3: I made a status and I was like, sometimes you
Speaker 3: have to act like you're not as smart as you are.
Speaker 3: I literally was listen. I listened to a lot of
Speaker 3: audio audible books, right, so I don't listen to music
Speaker 3: as much as I listen to literature, and I'm currently
Speaker 3: listening to the Art of seduction. They all all through
Speaker 3: there about never letting people know how much you actually know.
Speaker 3: Lay dumb, lay the nut roll. It's charming. There's a
Speaker 3: reason that men don't want you to. Oh, we don't
Speaker 3: care about your pomplishments. We don't care about how much
Speaker 3: you don't. I know, y'all don't. So I'm playing dumb.
Speaker 3: I love doing that when it comes to sports. When
Speaker 3: it comes to sports, i'd be like, so, which team
Speaker 3: is yours? The renter or the blue team? Hey? What
Speaker 3: do they do with the ball?
Speaker 4: I have a hard time playing dumb, man, I'm gonna try.
Speaker 4: I can't do it.
Speaker 3: Like it's fun. It's low key fun like it's fun.
Speaker 4: See, that's why I know people be playing with your intelligence,
Speaker 4: y'all motherfuckers out here acting like y'all know some shit?
Speaker 3: Y'all do that annoys me? Four chances to get ten yards?
Speaker 3: Is that how it works? Okay, that's interesting and I
Speaker 3: really don't understand that shit. Do you understand football? I
Speaker 3: don't do.
Speaker 4: Look, let's talk about the throat choreography right quick? Yes,
Speaker 4: these throat choreography classes.
Speaker 3: That Joey's offering. I want to know about that throat choreography. Yeah, wow, Yes,
Speaker 3: I refer to it as throat choreography because, like I said,
Speaker 3: sex should be a beautiful dance and uh sucond dick
Speaker 3: is just one part of the dance. So I when
Speaker 3: I teach women to uh sug dick, I typically tell
Speaker 3: them to do it to a playlist. Act like you're dancing,
Speaker 3: Like your throat is dancing on that dick. That's what
Speaker 3: it should be, like, like the enthusiasm that you feel
Speaker 3: you listening to your favorite song, that is, with the
Speaker 3: same amount of enthusiasm that you should be sucking dick with.
Speaker 3: So I you, like, literally, that is how I want
Speaker 3: to That's how I market it because anybody can. Oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna teach you how to sug dick. No, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna teach you how to create beautiful choreography with your throat.
Speaker 3: Have you ever been swallowed? Hell? Be swallowed up? Sh goodness?
Speaker 3: So that's a class you offer.
Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, I'm sure some of my our listeners
Speaker 2: AJ might need to sign up for that.
Speaker 3: No, it's fun, I got that had I'll just be tripping.
Speaker 4: I just really can't do it for real because of
Speaker 4: my damn medical issue I got tmj hie. So I
Speaker 4: can't really like do it for long a long time
Speaker 4: without experiencing excruciating pain for the next couple of days.
Speaker 3: Real. Yeah, and that's nobody should be in a position
Speaker 3: to do something that, Yeah, like I didn't like. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's not like, damn, it's some it's definitely some tricks though.
Speaker 3: It's some tricks. Yeah, my hands is crazy. Okay, I'll
Speaker 3: be telling people like, if you ever pay attention to
Speaker 3: how I grab a mic, you know that I know
Speaker 3: what I'm doing. Y'all.
Speaker 4: We come back from this break. I want to play
Speaker 4: a quick game with Jody and then we're going to
Speaker 4: get a dumb bitch story from her as well, you know.
Speaker 3: All right, y'all be back. So I wanted to play
Speaker 3: finish the lyrics with Jody. Okay, just a couple.
Speaker 4: Of songs, Okay, all right, first one, let's see, uh yeah,
Speaker 4: he keep playing with me.
Speaker 3: He don't know, I don't know. God on, that was easy,
Speaker 3: all right. The second one is the last one, okay,
Speaker 3: because I'm be get wait wait, make it good, make
Speaker 3: it good.
Speaker 4: Because I feel like because I will be up, because
Speaker 4: I would be up because I would be up like y'all,
Speaker 4: y'all not getting it.
Speaker 3: I don't know this. I don't know this. I'm like,
Speaker 3: because I would be a freaking.
Speaker 4: You were born, I would not say I didn't you
Speaker 4: like I'm would be up and I'm like just one
Speaker 4: new one old to let you know these hole has
Speaker 4: been outside. Okay, because aDNA Howard looks so good.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm not saying no, I'm yeah because if I
Speaker 3: don't know you would have if you would have said
Speaker 3: maybe one more word, I would have got it. Dina Howard,
Speaker 3: that's my girl, that's my song.
Speaker 2: Though I thought she was gonna do throat Baby, that
Speaker 2: would have been a good one for her.
Speaker 3: Throw baby. I would have got it. I would have
Speaker 3: got it. I would have got it. All the freaky songs,
Speaker 3: all the throat songs on my playlist.
Speaker 2: We have a segment on our show called Dumbitch Story.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know it, but you gotta
Speaker 2: share a time that you got played by the opposite sex.
Speaker 3: Dumb bitch Stories.
Speaker 2: So, because we've all been a dumb bee, at least
Speaker 2: it wasn't twice.
Speaker 3: Make at Slade, lad, I got played a couple times. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I got played a couple times. All right, I'll tell
Speaker 3: you all the funny.
Speaker 4: Okay, So you gotta laughed to keep from crying, Yeah,
Speaker 4: to keep from crying, because I cried for sure.
Speaker 3: So I was dealing with one of my exes and I.
Speaker 3: We were kind of like on Rocky times this particular instance.
Speaker 4: And.
Speaker 3: I was at his but I was at his house,
Speaker 3: so we won that damn Rocky. Like, I was still
Speaker 3: at his house. Had a dream that he was going
Speaker 3: to cheat on me. Yeah, I had a dream. He
Speaker 3: like literally in the dream, he said, yeah, I'm a
Speaker 3: so I'm gonna throw like a kickback. I'm gonna throw
Speaker 3: a party later. And then I walked into the party
Speaker 3: and he was fucking with another girl. Wakes up from
Speaker 3: the dream. I'm working from home, just normal day, and
Speaker 3: he yeah, what you doing later? I'm like, yeah, me
Speaker 3: and the girls we supposed to go. We're going to
Speaker 3: Navy Peer. We're gonna we're doing a cruise tonight. We
Speaker 3: all yeah, I'm probably gonna throw a kickback. I'm like,
Speaker 3: that's how it'd be. Boy Like now, I'm used to
Speaker 3: having dreams and then I'm happening.
Speaker 5: But that was too quick, Like it was like there
Speaker 5: was not a like literally hours after waking up from
Speaker 5: this dream, you say this, And I didn't tell him
Speaker 5: about the dream, of course, and then I didn't reveal
Speaker 5: the dream after he said that.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, hmm, okay, mental note. So they progresses,
Speaker 3: and I go to Navy Peer as I was supposed to.
Speaker 3: I missed the boat. Try to miss the boat. I
Speaker 3: was really trying to get to the boat. Miss the boat. Okay, Universe,
Speaker 3: let me call this nigga. I call him because I
Speaker 3: missed the boat. Now I don't have plans no more.
Speaker 3: You're gonna have a kickback though, So calling him, he's
Speaker 3: not answering. Text him. The bubble is green, but the
Speaker 3: phone is still ringing, which means that your phone not
Speaker 3: dead because it's still ringing all the way through. You
Speaker 3: turned your old our messages off. Why would you do that?
Speaker 3: Don't rear abatti. You want to see me, so obviously
Speaker 3: you want to see me. It's fine. So pulls up
Speaker 3: to this crib. At this point, it's like maybe eleven
Speaker 3: thirty cluster of mid night. What's up to his crib?
Speaker 3: The lights. The lights were on. The lights were on,
Speaker 3: no music or nothing. But it's only like maybe one
Speaker 3: or like all the lights went on, but it was
Speaker 3: like a couple of lights on. Tis. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: he's clearly up there. He's up there, So knock on
Speaker 3: the door, No answer. I caused his name. Calls up
Speaker 3: to the window, the light turns off. I'm like, oh
Speaker 3: they got the men are so dumb down? Now home right?
Speaker 3: House like, continues to call his name. Then he sticks
Speaker 3: his head out the window like he will sleep. Huh,
Speaker 3: come to the door. What is you doing? No, man,
Speaker 3: I sleep? Why you can't come to the door again?
Speaker 3: Come to the door. So we's we are arguing, right,
Speaker 3: So he's he's trying to argue because he wants me
Speaker 3: to argue and leave. So, knowing what he's trying to do,
Speaker 3: I flip it around. So instead of arguing with him,
Speaker 3: now I get erradically emotional. I'm like, I'm kid, So
Speaker 3: I'm like getting super emotional. Right, So he comes to
Speaker 3: the door. He comes to the door. Kick that shit over, right,
Speaker 3: So he's like, I'm gonna just walk you to your carl.
Speaker 3: I can't after you. He walks down the stairs. I
Speaker 3: push his ass, runs through his crib. There's a bitch
Speaker 3: sitting on the couch. I get this close to the bitch.
Speaker 3: Next thing I know, I'm getting lifted in the air.
Speaker 3: If I ran ran through the house, is this close?
Speaker 3: Get lift in the air. So now I'm like, let
Speaker 3: me go, let me go, let me go. I see
Speaker 3: a broom, grab the broom. He got me still, I'm
Speaker 3: beating him with the broom. This girl is over here. Now.
Speaker 3: I was running towards house, so she was like getting on,
Speaker 3: like backing up on the couch and stuff because she
Speaker 3: don't like she just see this girl running towards her.
Speaker 3: I'm beating him with the broom. I'm trying to knock
Speaker 3: everything over. He Joe, Joe, let it go, Let it go.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, no, he was just fucking man this
Speaker 3: bit twelve hours ago. I'm blue, like he leave before
Speaker 3: I call the police, Like you go, you got me up.
Speaker 3: He had this glass like bar. He had this glass bar.
Speaker 3: I'm like, don't worry better, I'm leave. I leave. I
Speaker 3: look at the glass bar, I grab it. I throw
Speaker 3: it down, so all the glass shout around all over
Speaker 3: the floor, and I'm like, now I'll leave and then
Speaker 3: and kept fucking with this nigga. Ain't it look so no?
Speaker 3: Let me? So after that, after that, I went home.
Speaker 3: I hacked this man all his social media accounts. I
Speaker 3: hacked all of his accounts. Uh, hacked his email because
Speaker 3: his password was his grandma and niggas love it grandma.
Speaker 3: So hacked his email, then hacked all his social media accounts,
Speaker 3: and then it was to the point where he had
Speaker 3: so many people calling me and bugging me for like
Speaker 3: the pass he was supposed to start that new job
Speaker 3: and you got into his email, fuck that job, like
Speaker 3: I was trying to ruin him. And then like after
Speaker 3: a week of terrorizing this man that way, I was like,
Speaker 3: you know what, all right, I'm done. You had to
Speaker 3: let it go. So since his password, like they was like, uh,
Speaker 3: his one of his best friends, Like what's the password?
Speaker 3: I was like the password I had made it something
Speaker 3: like super petty. It was like fucked his name like
Speaker 3: it was that gave password is fucked justind So gave
Speaker 3: him the password and then I let it go. I
Speaker 3: let it go, started, you know, my healing process. And
Speaker 3: then three months later that nigga came back and you
Speaker 3: let him come back, and that's what it was. My
Speaker 3: daver should have let that nigga come back, but again.
Speaker 4: Should have let your ass come back. He should have
Speaker 4: never came back. For you to fuck this whole apartment up,
Speaker 4: try to fight the bitch.
Speaker 3: That was his fault. That was his fault. He that
Speaker 3: was that was just collateral damage at that part. Shit.
Speaker 3: But you will never understand how bitch be quiet in
Speaker 3: a nigga house. Yeah, that was insane, Like you hear
Speaker 3: me yelling his name like I would have been uphill.
Speaker 4: Or I don't opened the door for a bitch because
Speaker 4: this nigga was refusing to open. I'm like, girl, just
Speaker 4: come in. It's call outside, like, come on the fuck
Speaker 4: you outside for two three hours knocking on the door.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because clearly ain't going nowhere and were trying to
Speaker 3: go back to sleep. Just come in. You need a blanket, bitch.
Speaker 3: I feel like everybody kind of have to deal with
Speaker 3: something like that just so that they can know I'm
Speaker 3: never dealing with that shit. Girl. You hear me, Yeah,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, that was my that was one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody where they can find you to plug all
Speaker 2: your things for our listeners, a lot.
Speaker 3: Of so again I'm Jody. I'm the host of Provocative.
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Speaker 3: What else I'm a part of that. All the stuff
Speaker 3: you got on your page, you're selling pussy. No, I'm
Speaker 3: just saying she got a throat choreography? Yes again, I'm
Speaker 3: a sexologist. I do teach different sex classes. My specialty,
Speaker 3: my my bread and butter, is throat choreography. If you
Speaker 3: want to take that class. I do both in person.
Speaker 3: I do virtual classes as well. I do other sex classes.
Speaker 3: I do sexual massages as well. I see outfit on.
Speaker 2: Ask you when you teach in like a throat choreography,
Speaker 2: what are you teaching like on a banana or some
Speaker 2: type of.
Speaker 3: Like I got three sizes because I feel like you
Speaker 3: got to be prepared. So yeah, I teach you how
Speaker 3: to do the small medium in large. That's so funny.
Speaker 3: This is how you do it.
Speaker 2: May be like, wait a minute, Thank you, Jody, This
Speaker 2: was actually a very fun episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, y'all, y'all lit, y'all girl, All right, y'all listen.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Jody.
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