WEBVTT - America's Soldier: Why the U.S. Needed George Sakato

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin. Hey everyone, it is Jared Martinez.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, now to the episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Soccato was crawling through the mud. Just seconds earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>he was shouted to a group of American soldiers. He

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<v Speaker 2>was warning them to watch out for Germans with machine guns.

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<v Speaker 2>This was nineteen forty four and they were in France,

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<v Speaker 2>facing the Notes, struggling through a freezing forest, fighting for

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<v Speaker 2>every inch of ground. The enemy started shooting and Joe

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<v Speaker 2>washed as bullets hit one of the men and he

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<v Speaker 2>crumpled to the ground. That was one of Joe's best friends.

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<v Speaker 2>So Joe scrambled through the dirt and he slid into

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<v Speaker 2>the shallow trench where his buddy lay. Machine gun fire

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<v Speaker 2>was still ripping through the air. Splintering the trees. Joe

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<v Speaker 2>put his arms around his friend. His blood soaked through

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<v Speaker 2>Joe's clothes and coated his hands.

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<v Speaker 3>And I picked him up, and he's trying to say

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<v Speaker 3>something to mean I was gurgled in the pretty Soon

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<v Speaker 3>his body went limp on me. I knew he died.

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<v Speaker 3>I said that I helped him. Why.

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<v Speaker 2>Joe was a little guy, just over five feet tall,

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<v Speaker 2>not much of an athlete, and he was exhausted after

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<v Speaker 2>days of nonsense, stop fighting.

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<v Speaker 1>But now none of that mattered.

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't quite in my right sense of mind, but

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<v Speaker 3>I was just mad and crying. I was crying.

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<v Speaker 2>Joe stood up in the trench. He was going to

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<v Speaker 2>face those Germans head on.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Jr.

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<v Speaker 2>Martinez and this is Medal of Honor Stories of Courage.

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<v Speaker 2>The Medal of Honor is the highest military decoration in

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<v Speaker 2>the United States. It's awarded for gallantry and bravery and

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<v Speaker 2>combat at the risk of life, above and beyond the

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<v Speaker 2>call of duty. Each candidate must be approved all the

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<v Speaker 2>way up the chain of command, from the supervisory officer

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<v Speaker 2>in the field to the White House. This show is

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<v Speaker 2>about those heroes, what they did, what it meant, and

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<v Speaker 2>what their stories tell us about the nature of courage

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<v Speaker 2>and sacrifice. This episode is about one man, George Saccado.

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<v Speaker 2>His friends called them Joe, but it's also about a

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<v Speaker 2>whole US Army unit, the four hundred and forty second

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<v Speaker 2>Regimental Combat Team. The soldiers of that regiment were all

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<v Speaker 2>Japanese American and while they were fighting for freedom in Europe,

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<v Speaker 2>their families were losing their freedom back home. This story

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<v Speaker 2>tells us so much about what makes someone go above

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<v Speaker 2>and beyond the call of duty. Even after being mistreated

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<v Speaker 2>on that day in nineteen forty four, Josicato knew he

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<v Speaker 2>was running into a deadly cloud of bullets. He had

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<v Speaker 2>a broken heart and a deep feeling of injustice, but

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<v Speaker 2>he used it for a higher purpose. One morning in

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<v Speaker 2>early December nineteen forty one, Josicato went to work at

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<v Speaker 2>his family's little grocery store in Redlands, California, a farming

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<v Speaker 2>town outside La Joe was the middle of seven kids,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty years old. He had barely graduated from high school,

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<v Speaker 2>and he had no idea what he wanted to do

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<v Speaker 2>with his life. And then he turned on the radio

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<v Speaker 2>and suddenly everything changed.

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<v Speaker 4>Yesterday, the sun Bus sub nineteen forty one, a date

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<v Speaker 4>which will live in infamy. The United States of America

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<v Speaker 4>was suddenly and deliberately attacked.

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<v Speaker 3>I heard the newscast fact when Roosevelt said Pearl Harvell

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<v Speaker 3>was being bombed tonight. Couldn't believe that Pearl Harve's bombed bus.

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<v Speaker 3>I got, this's what are we going to do now?

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<v Speaker 2>He wasn't the only one asking that question. The government

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<v Speaker 2>was too, and by February of nineteen forty two, they

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<v Speaker 2>made a controversial choice. Japanese American citizens like Joe couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>stay where they were. Here's Milton Eisenhower, the director of

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<v Speaker 2>the War Relocation Authority, explaining the decision.

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<v Speaker 5>When in the Japanese attacked Pearl Harvard, our West coast

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<v Speaker 5>became a potential combat zone. Living in that zone were

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<v Speaker 5>more than one hundred thousand persons of Japanese ancestry. Most

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<v Speaker 5>were loyal, but no one knew what would happen among

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<v Speaker 5>this concentrated population if Japanese forces should try to invade

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<v Speaker 5>our shores. Military authorities therefore determined that all of them,

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<v Speaker 5>citizens and aliens alike, would have to move.

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<v Speaker 2>So suddenly, Japanese Americans across the West coast discovered that

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<v Speaker 2>American democracy no longer applied to them. Kids were pulled

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<v Speaker 2>out of school, everybody lost their jobs, and the government

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<v Speaker 2>built relocation camps on dusty prairies and dried out farms

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<v Speaker 2>in the.

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<v Speaker 1>Middle of the country. They looked a lot like.

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<v Speaker 3>Prisons barbaris, fence guard towers on us in each corner,

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<v Speaker 3>and the machine guns were pointing in, not out.

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<v Speaker 2>So Joe's family decided to move to rural Arizona. At

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<v Speaker 2>least there they wouldn't be forced into a camp. They

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<v Speaker 2>only had a few days to liquidate their lives, including

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<v Speaker 2>their grocery store.

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<v Speaker 3>We just had meatcaseus was eight hundred dollars. We sold

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<v Speaker 3>it for three hundred dollars through in the store.

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<v Speaker 2>Their whole business sold for just three hundred dollars. Their

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<v Speaker 2>new life in Arizona wasn't exactly Joe's speed.

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<v Speaker 3>That year, I had to pick up cantalopes one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>and ten degrees. I weighed one hundred and sixty five pounds.

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<v Speaker 3>When I graduated that season, I lost thirty five pounds.

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<v Speaker 3>I was no farmer, I was a city slicker.

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<v Speaker 2>Plus, the war was going on, and this fight everything

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<v Speaker 2>Joe wanted to do his part serve his country, so

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<v Speaker 2>he decided to become a pilot.

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<v Speaker 3>A voluntive for the Air Force. Partly draft card says

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<v Speaker 3>for sea enemy alien animi alien, what do you mean? Animated? American?

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<v Speaker 2>For the first chunk of the war, Japanese Americans weren't

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<v Speaker 2>allowed to serve at all at all, but a group

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<v Speaker 2>of them petitioned the government and finally they were allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to enlist. But Japanese Americans didn't get to go wherever

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<v Speaker 2>they wanted. They were assigned to one place the army,

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<v Speaker 2>specifically the four hundred and forty second Regimental Combat Team.

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<v Speaker 2>All of the officers in this new unit were white,

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<v Speaker 2>and the four hundred and forty second wouldn't be allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to fight in Asia, just Europe because you know what

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<v Speaker 2>if they got to Japan and suddenly decided to switch sides.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's a crazy idea. But the government was

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<v Speaker 2>that paranoid and didn't trust their loyalty. When the first

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<v Speaker 2>group of soldiers arrived at Fort Shelby and Mississippi news

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<v Speaker 2>cameras were there.

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<v Speaker 6>Boys with Japanese names, Japanese faces, but with mind parts

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<v Speaker 6>and spirits that are enthusiastically earnestly American. They're trained to

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<v Speaker 6>make their contribution to victory for democracy and all the

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<v Speaker 6>democracy means tolerance, freedom, an equal opportunity, regardless of grace

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<v Speaker 6>their ancestry.

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<v Speaker 2>But while they were fighting for freedom, some of their

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<v Speaker 2>families were anything but free. Ironic, right. But here's something

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<v Speaker 2>else to know about the four hundred and forty second.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of the guys were from Hawaii. You see,

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<v Speaker 2>Japanese Americans were a major part of Hawaii's population. They

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<v Speaker 2>didn't experience the same kind of day to day discrimination

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<v Speaker 2>that many faced on the mainland, and they didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>much about the internal camps. At first, the four hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and forty second had a problem. The Hawaiian guys and

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<v Speaker 2>the mainland guys couldn't get along. Daniel Enoe was a

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<v Speaker 2>member of the four hundred and forty second from Honolulu.

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<v Speaker 7>Both sides looked upon the others with some distrust, and

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<v Speaker 7>fights became commonplace.

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<v Speaker 2>But then one of their leaders had an idea. They

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<v Speaker 2>took some of the Hawaiian soldiers on a bus to

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<v Speaker 2>Arkansas to visit an internment camp.

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<v Speaker 7>At the gate were men in uniform with rifles and bayonets,

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<v Speaker 7>and I thought what in the is happening? Then you

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<v Speaker 7>look into the camp and there they were, and then

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<v Speaker 7>it dawned us.

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<v Speaker 1>What had happened.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a prison for families who looked just like them,

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<v Speaker 2>little kids, old folks, moms and dads. The Hawaiian guys

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<v Speaker 2>finally understood that what the four hundred and forty second

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<v Speaker 2>had in common was way more important than their differences.

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<v Speaker 2>They all had something to prove that they could be

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<v Speaker 2>as good, make that better than anyone else.

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<v Speaker 7>Overnight the regiment was formed. Next morning you had the

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<v Speaker 7>for forty second.

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<v Speaker 2>They were well organized, fearless. Their nickname was Gopher Broke.

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<v Speaker 2>They got to Europe in the spring of forty four

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<v Speaker 2>and instantly became famous. They pushed back the Nazis in Italy,

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<v Speaker 2>but the price was high. Over the course of three months,

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<v Speaker 2>nearly twenty five percent of them, more than twelve hundred

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<v Speaker 2>men were wounded or killed by that summer. Joe Soccato

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<v Speaker 2>had also enlisted in the four hundred and forty second.

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<v Speaker 2>Being turned away from the Air Force didn't deter him.

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<v Speaker 2>He was going to serve.

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to show that I'm an American and I

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<v Speaker 3>should joined the service. I had showed my loyalty to

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<v Speaker 3>the country.

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<v Speaker 2>The high point of his training was a trip he

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<v Speaker 2>took on leave. He went to New York City with

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<v Speaker 2>some of his platoon mates. Joe was like, let's have

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<v Speaker 2>all the New York experiences before we go off to war.

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<v Speaker 3>So he says, why don't we check the world of

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<v Speaker 3>a story to say that we stayed at the world

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<v Speaker 3>of the story. So we each put ten bucks piece

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<v Speaker 3>cost us forty dollars and we only stayed there three

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<v Speaker 3>four hours, looking out the windows and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen, that's big money. When these guys only made twenty

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<v Speaker 2>one dollars a month and they didn't even stay there

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<v Speaker 2>for the night. They just wanted to say that they'd

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<v Speaker 2>done it. Right after that, Joe shipped out to Europe

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<v Speaker 2>and he struggled. It was like the canalopes, but worse.

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<v Speaker 2>He was pretty out of shape.

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<v Speaker 3>Our first day in battle, we had to climb this hill.

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't climb the hill. He had to pool of

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<v Speaker 3>branches and roots and pull myself up. I had to

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<v Speaker 3>have somebody else carry my pack up, somebody else carried canteens.

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<v Speaker 3>When I got to the top, I was the last

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<v Speaker 3>one up. All I had was my rifle.

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<v Speaker 2>He could barely make it up the hill. But here

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<v Speaker 2>he was joining the toughest unit on the European front.

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<v Speaker 2>He would have to pull it together fast. The four

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and forty second was heading to France. They were

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<v Speaker 2>going to Hitler's doorstep. In the fall of nineteen forty four,

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<v Speaker 2>the Allied forces were in the French Mountains, just twenty

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<v Speaker 2>miles from the German border. The Nazis had occupied that

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<v Speaker 2>area for four long years, and now the Allies were

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<v Speaker 2>trying to push them out. These mountains were the Nazis'

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<v Speaker 2>last line of defense, so Hitler ordered that they must

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<v Speaker 2>be held at all costs. On October twenty fourth, the

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<v Speaker 2>first battalion of the one hundred and forty first Infantry

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<v Speaker 2>got in order advanced to a strategic ridge. Keep in

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<v Speaker 2>mind this was all held by the Germans. There were

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<v Speaker 2>about two hundred and seventy men in the first battalion.

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<v Speaker 2>It was part of the thirty sixth Division, originally from Texas.

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<v Speaker 2>In other words, not Joe's unit. We'll get back to

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<v Speaker 2>Joe in a minute. The first battalion set out in

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<v Speaker 2>the freezing rain, marching on muddy mountain tracks and Most

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<v Speaker 2>of them had only a day's worth of food, water,

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<v Speaker 2>and AMMO. They figured the supply trucks would catch up

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<v Speaker 2>to them, but they went too far and too fast.

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<v Speaker 2>Five miles into the forest. It was weirdly easy astro

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<v Speaker 2>toortalm was there.

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<v Speaker 8>We had practically no resistance for those five miles. I mean,

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<v Speaker 8>little little firing here and there, but we thought, hell,

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<v Speaker 8>this is really going to be something, you know. But

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<v Speaker 8>they were finally got up to our objective. The Germans

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<v Speaker 8>counterattacked and they worked there where on and they cut

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<v Speaker 8>us off from the rest of the unit.

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<v Speaker 2>They were on a hilltop, the enemy was on three sides,

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<v Speaker 2>and there was a steep drop off on the other.

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<v Speaker 2>The battalion was caught in a deadly trap. At dawn

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<v Speaker 2>the next day, their commander, Martin Higgins, sent out a

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five man patrol. He wanted to see if they

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<v Speaker 2>could sneak through the enemy lines.

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<v Speaker 8>And they never made it. I think only about five

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<v Speaker 8>men came back from that patrol and they said, we

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<v Speaker 8>couldn't get through. There's too many Germans. So that's when

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<v Speaker 8>we realized, now we're surrounded.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't have much AMO, medicals, applies or batteries for

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<v Speaker 2>their two way radios, and they had almost nothing to

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<v Speaker 2>eat or drink. So the order went out send in

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<v Speaker 2>the four hundred and forty second The Gopher Broke guys

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<v Speaker 2>were told to go rescue the lost Battalion. Different units

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<v Speaker 2>took different paths through the forest. Joe's company was ordered

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<v Speaker 2>to take Hill six one seven. It was the high

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<v Speaker 2>ground overlooking the road to the lost Battalion. Without it,

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<v Speaker 2>they would never reach those men. They started marching before

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<v Speaker 2>dawn on October twenty sixth. It was cold, rainy, and muddy,

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<v Speaker 2>and by mid morning they were already pinned down. You see,

0:15:51.541 --> 0:15:54.220
<v Speaker 2>the Germans were totally dug in, and they had a

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<v Speaker 2>deadly strategy. They'd hit the Americans hard, then they'd pause,

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<v Speaker 2>fall back a little, and force the gis to move

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<v Speaker 2>forward into machine gun and artillery fire. So for the

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<v Speaker 2>next two days, Joe's company kept inching towards Hill's six

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<v Speaker 2>one seven, getting picked off one by one as they

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<v Speaker 2>were trying and failing to take that hill. Other units

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<v Speaker 2>of the four hundred and forty second were noticing something

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<v Speaker 2>weird while they were being sent further in the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of the one hundred and forty first was staying behind

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<v Speaker 2>dan Enoey thought he knew why.

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<v Speaker 7>You see, we knew we were expendable. We knew that

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<v Speaker 7>we were so good that we were requested by other

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<v Speaker 7>units to serve as shock troops or assault troops. That's

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<v Speaker 7>what we were.

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<v Speaker 2>Meanwhile, as the days ticked by, members of the Lost

0:16:55.341 --> 0:17:00.461
<v Speaker 2>Battalion were running out of supplies and losing hope. Jean

0:17:00.580 --> 0:17:03.741
<v Speaker 2>Earhart was a member of the Lost Battalion. He remembers

0:17:03.821 --> 0:17:05.100
<v Speaker 2>the thirst most of all.

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<v Speaker 9>They's cut us aalt from food, water and everything. Have

0:17:12.101 --> 0:17:17.141
<v Speaker 9>you ever been thirsty, Well, think about doing a lout

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<v Speaker 9>water that period of time.

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<v Speaker 2>Finally, on the night of October twenty eighth, Joe's company

0:17:25.141 --> 0:17:27.181
<v Speaker 2>reached the base of Hills six one seven.

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<v Speaker 3>We're a cross enemy lines. The forest was so dense

0:17:31.981 --> 0:17:34.941
<v Speaker 3>you can barely see your hint. So we marched all

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<v Speaker 3>night and we're now on the back of this ridge,

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<v Speaker 3>and then a dawn we started attack. We caught the

0:17:41.381 --> 0:17:43.661
<v Speaker 3>Germans off guard. They didn't know they we were in

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<v Speaker 3>behind them.

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<v Speaker 2>Now Joe had a machine gun and he used it

0:17:49.101 --> 0:17:50.061
<v Speaker 2>against the Nazis.

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<v Speaker 3>He chased them out of the fox holes, chased them

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<v Speaker 3>off the hill, and they scattered the other way.

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<v Speaker 2>But then the Germans turned the tables. Suddenly Joe's company

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<v Speaker 2>was on the defensive.

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<v Speaker 3>We got surrounded. Now they're going to con attack. Artillery

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<v Speaker 3>such coming in, so we had to jump into the

0:18:08.301 --> 0:18:09.181
<v Speaker 3>Germans fox holes.

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<v Speaker 2>This time Oh duck for cover, popping up to shoot

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<v Speaker 2>at the enemy. Trying to help the rest of his

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<v Speaker 2>friends who were out there.

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<v Speaker 3>Anything that's moved, I was shooting at it. Next thing

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I was run out of ammunition, and when

0:18:24.221 --> 0:18:26.621
<v Speaker 3>Jumans wanted to come up, he's going to throw a

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<v Speaker 3>grenade at me, So I got the pistol and stopped

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<v Speaker 3>him in the stuff the no more two women's So

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<v Speaker 3>I got down on the hold to start filling my

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<v Speaker 3>clips up.

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<v Speaker 2>He listened for his friends. He knew a guy named

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<v Speaker 2>Sibruro Tanamachi was nearby. Joe and Tanamachi had been together

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<v Speaker 2>since training. They both been on that trip to the

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<v Speaker 2>Waldorf in New York, and they knew all about each other.

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<v Speaker 3>He joined the army because parents wanted him to marry

0:18:58.581 --> 0:19:01.421
<v Speaker 3>some girl and he didn't like her, so he volunteered

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<v Speaker 3>with the r says, I don't know why you did that.

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<v Speaker 3>He didn't want to get married.

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<v Speaker 7>And.

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<v Speaker 2>Just earlier that morning, Tanamachi told Joe that he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>feel right going into battle.

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<v Speaker 1>His stomach hurt, something was off.

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<v Speaker 3>So I told him stay back, don't go, don't go

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<v Speaker 3>on the strip noises, he's gotta go.

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<v Speaker 2>The men of the four hundred and forty second didn't

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<v Speaker 2>stay behind. They went ahead, even when they had their doubts.

0:19:36.021 --> 0:19:39.061
<v Speaker 2>Once Joe had refilled his gun with mo he scanned

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<v Speaker 2>the area again and.

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<v Speaker 3>Leaning back when I was looking up the hill, and

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<v Speaker 3>I seen the group of JIMINSS just going up the

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<v Speaker 3>hill machinguns.

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<v Speaker 2>And at that same moment he saw Tanamachi with the

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<v Speaker 2>squad creeping through the trees.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, I hollered at you guys to watch off.

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<v Speaker 3>The machine guns are taking the hill. Back tana Machi

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<v Speaker 3>for some reason, he got up a sayd square and

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<v Speaker 3>he got shot.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe watched Tanamachi crumble down.

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<v Speaker 3>So I called over this, hold him, picked him up,

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<v Speaker 3>and I except that and he's gurgling and he's trying

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<v Speaker 3>to say the blood is coming out, and he just

0:20:18.341 --> 0:20:23.061
<v Speaker 3>swept body wouldn't lived on me. Then I know he died,

0:20:24.541 --> 0:20:34.861
<v Speaker 3>and I cried oggedn't God, why why.

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<v Speaker 2>Joe gently laid his friend down, and he looked down

0:20:41.581 --> 0:20:45.101
<v Speaker 2>at his hands. They were covered in Tanamachi's blood.

0:20:46.661 --> 0:20:48.421
<v Speaker 3>I was going to get to be the shot him

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<v Speaker 3>was died trying. I threw a pack off and picked

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<v Speaker 3>up Tom and I z exact backed up, run this

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<v Speaker 3>wind and run the road. Shot two three guys and

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<v Speaker 3>then white acacis were waving the group of coming out,

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<v Speaker 3>and I made sure that nobody behind him had a

0:21:11.141 --> 0:21:14.941
<v Speaker 3>gun house. I had to shoot him.

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<v Speaker 1>The Germans on Hill six one seven were giving up,

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<v Speaker 1>waving their white handkerchiefs. They'd been stopped cold by Joe's

0:21:23.461 --> 0:21:26.701
<v Speaker 1>one man stand. The counter attack was over.

0:21:28.461 --> 0:21:32.301
<v Speaker 2>Meanwhile, the rest of Joe's company was right behind him.

0:21:32.621 --> 0:21:35.620
<v Speaker 2>His anger had pulled them out of their foxholes, and

0:21:35.661 --> 0:21:37.661
<v Speaker 2>his bravery made them break.

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<v Speaker 3>The rest of the troops come up and took the hill.

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<v Speaker 1>They took that hill.

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<v Speaker 2>Tanamachi's sacrifice meant that they were one step closer to

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<v Speaker 2>saving the Lost Battalion.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe's loyalty to his.

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<v Speaker 2>Friend and to his country had led the way. On

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<v Speaker 2>October thirtieth, the day after Joe Saccado helped take Hill

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<v Speaker 2>six one seven, the Lost Battalion was finally rescued. Marty Higgins,

0:22:26.541 --> 0:22:29.381
<v Speaker 2>commander of the battalion, remembered how it felt when the

0:22:29.421 --> 0:22:31.981
<v Speaker 2>four hundred and forty second reached them.

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<v Speaker 10>I was asked by many people, what did I think

0:22:34.941 --> 0:22:39.101
<v Speaker 10>of these little guys coming through? I swear to God

0:22:39.141 --> 0:22:42.340
<v Speaker 10>they looked like Jige to us.

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<v Speaker 1>By then, Joe had been injured by a motor show.

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<v Speaker 2>A piece of shrapnel went straight through his backpack into

0:22:50.341 --> 0:22:52.701
<v Speaker 2>his lung, but he survived.

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<v Speaker 3>I had more than nine lives.

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<v Speaker 1>He was one of the lucky ones.

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<v Speaker 2>After days of intense fighting, the four hundred and forty

0:23:01.341 --> 0:23:06.941
<v Speaker 2>second was decimated. Jean Erhart from the Lost Battalion remembered

0:23:06.941 --> 0:23:08.221
<v Speaker 2>the scene as they left the.

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<v Speaker 9>Ridge were moving out of that area. There were trucks.

0:23:15.181 --> 0:23:19.701
<v Speaker 9>They're floating boys up just like you would cordwood, and

0:23:19.861 --> 0:23:24.941
<v Speaker 9>trucks that gave their life and someone else could. The

0:23:26.381 --> 0:23:31.021
<v Speaker 9>one life sacrificed for another. That's why it makes them

0:23:31.061 --> 0:23:39.261
<v Speaker 9>so great. Unselfishness, dedication. I don't know whether I don't

0:23:39.301 --> 0:23:43.621
<v Speaker 9>whether I could help. That is dedicated a given spirit.

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<v Speaker 9>If I had been mistreated in my family, because they

0:23:47.821 --> 0:23:48.741
<v Speaker 9>were mistreated.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't know the exact numbers of Japanese Americans who

0:23:53.901 --> 0:23:57.261
<v Speaker 2>died or were injured rescueing the lost battalion, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>believed that fifty four were killed and approximately two hundred

0:24:02.061 --> 0:24:05.821
<v Speaker 2>and eighty were wounded. And while the lost battalion was

0:24:05.861 --> 0:24:08.340
<v Speaker 2>sent back to a hot meal and medical care, the

0:24:08.421 --> 0:24:11.981
<v Speaker 2>four hundred and forty second was ordered to keep fighting.

0:24:13.101 --> 0:24:16.141
<v Speaker 2>They stayed on that god forsaken ridge, clearing out the

0:24:16.301 --> 0:24:22.541
<v Speaker 2>enemy for another nine days, but they succeeded, and the

0:24:22.621 --> 0:24:27.421
<v Speaker 2>Americans finally punched a hole in the German line. Joe

0:24:27.421 --> 0:24:31.381
<v Speaker 2>would spend the next eight months in hospitals. Eventually he

0:24:31.541 --> 0:24:33.620
<v Speaker 2>was transferred by boat to New York Harbor.

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<v Speaker 3>I looked the Statue of Liberty for the ast side

0:24:37.101 --> 0:24:39.661
<v Speaker 3>I've ever seen. I was happy.

0:24:39.981 --> 0:24:45.061
<v Speaker 2>I was whole, And in nineteen forty six, the last

0:24:45.061 --> 0:24:47.461
<v Speaker 2>of the four hundred and forty second set sail for

0:24:47.581 --> 0:24:51.541
<v Speaker 2>home too. It was the most decorated US Army regiment

0:24:51.621 --> 0:24:56.061
<v Speaker 2>of its size, earning over eighteen thousand awards for bravery

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<v Speaker 2>that included twenty nine Distinguished Service Crosses, more than three

0:25:01.661 --> 0:25:06.061
<v Speaker 2>hundred and thirty Silver crosses, and more than two thousand

0:25:06.141 --> 0:25:11.501
<v Speaker 2>Bronze Stars. That July, they paraded down Constitution Avenue in

0:25:11.541 --> 0:25:13.981
<v Speaker 2>the rain, but they were going to a reception on

0:25:14.021 --> 0:25:17.461
<v Speaker 2>the White House lawn. Here's President Harry Truman.

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<v Speaker 5>You fought not only the enemy, but you fought prejudice

0:25:23.661 --> 0:25:28.101
<v Speaker 5>and you've won. Keep up that fight and we'll continue

0:25:28.141 --> 0:25:28.380
<v Speaker 5>to win.

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<v Speaker 4>That's great Republic stand for just what his Constitution says.

0:25:33.221 --> 0:25:38.021
<v Speaker 4>It stands far the welfare of all the people, all

0:25:38.101 --> 0:25:38.621
<v Speaker 4>the time.

0:25:41.261 --> 0:25:45.581
<v Speaker 2>The welfare of all the people all the time. That's

0:25:45.581 --> 0:25:49.261
<v Speaker 2>what it means to be American, right, except, of course

0:25:50.141 --> 0:25:56.021
<v Speaker 2>when it doesn't. Joe got a medal to at Distinguished

0:25:56.021 --> 0:25:58.741
<v Speaker 2>Service Cross. He heard about it while he was in

0:25:58.781 --> 0:25:59.381
<v Speaker 2>the hospital.

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<v Speaker 3>It's this letter from the younger brother and he says, me,

0:26:04.421 --> 0:26:08.181
<v Speaker 3>a newspaper clipping of my hometown, Redlands. So he set

0:26:08.301 --> 0:26:09.981
<v Speaker 3>up to me and he says, but just tell you

0:26:09.981 --> 0:26:14.621
<v Speaker 3>you received the dissingle service cluss. I didn't see no dissingle, sir.

0:26:15.821 --> 0:26:17.461
<v Speaker 3>Well it says yeah, in the paper that they know

0:26:17.541 --> 0:26:17.981
<v Speaker 3>about it.

0:26:19.301 --> 0:26:22.421
<v Speaker 2>Joe was happy with their recognition, of course, but then

0:26:22.421 --> 0:26:24.461
<v Speaker 2>he had to make sense of what he had been through,

0:26:24.981 --> 0:26:28.101
<v Speaker 2>and that was hard because it didn't really make sense.

0:26:29.061 --> 0:26:32.261
<v Speaker 2>Even Marty Higgins, the leader of the battalion, they saved.

0:26:32.541 --> 0:26:35.301
<v Speaker 2>Felt like the four hundred and forty second should have

0:26:35.461 --> 0:26:37.901
<v Speaker 2>never been sent out to rescue them in the first place.

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<v Speaker 10>I think we should have been my passion. I think

0:26:42.541 --> 0:26:46.901
<v Speaker 10>the entire mission was a big blunder. Well it had

0:26:46.981 --> 0:26:48.941
<v Speaker 10>killed me. When I came back and read the losses.

0:26:49.981 --> 0:26:50.501
<v Speaker 3>It killed me.

0:26:52.301 --> 0:26:55.301
<v Speaker 2>Was all that sacrifice worth it for the men of

0:26:55.301 --> 0:26:57.821
<v Speaker 2>the four hundred and forty second. It was painful to

0:26:57.861 --> 0:27:01.781
<v Speaker 2>think about. Fred Schiosaki was a member of that unit,

0:27:02.101 --> 0:27:04.701
<v Speaker 2>and he remembers something that happened right after he got

0:27:04.741 --> 0:27:05.581
<v Speaker 2>back to the States.

0:27:06.381 --> 0:27:08.261
<v Speaker 11>I was on the train by myself, and I was

0:27:08.261 --> 0:27:11.100
<v Speaker 11>sitting there looking out the window in this GI came

0:27:11.141 --> 0:27:13.341
<v Speaker 11>out and he stopped and he looked at me, and

0:27:13.501 --> 0:27:15.221
<v Speaker 11>he looked at my pats. He says, hey, you were

0:27:15.261 --> 0:27:17.101
<v Speaker 11>there for forty second?

0:27:17.181 --> 0:27:17.901
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I.

0:27:17.821 --> 0:27:20.061
<v Speaker 11>Said, we had the lost battalion.

0:27:20.101 --> 0:27:21.141
<v Speaker 9>And I said, yeah, I was.

0:27:21.461 --> 0:27:24.221
<v Speaker 11>He says, I was in there. I could just feel

0:27:24.221 --> 0:27:27.541
<v Speaker 11>myself getting ready. I was angry God. And I turned

0:27:27.541 --> 0:27:29.101
<v Speaker 11>to him and I said, do you know how many

0:27:29.141 --> 0:27:31.821
<v Speaker 11>men we lost getting you guys out of there? You

0:27:31.861 --> 0:27:36.301
<v Speaker 11>know how many of my friends died in there? And

0:27:36.341 --> 0:27:38.341
<v Speaker 11>he said, you know, if you guys were in there.

0:27:39.221 --> 0:27:42.341
<v Speaker 11>We had to come after you, and I thought. I

0:27:42.381 --> 0:27:45.901
<v Speaker 11>shook my head. He said, anyway, I want to thank you.

0:27:45.901 --> 0:27:48.461
<v Speaker 11>You know. He put out his hand and I turned

0:27:48.501 --> 0:27:53.181
<v Speaker 11>away and looked doctor window. I've never been really proud

0:27:53.181 --> 0:27:56.580
<v Speaker 11>of that, but at the time it was just too fresh.

0:27:56.701 --> 0:28:00.181
<v Speaker 11>I just could not. I couldn't object his hand.

0:28:00.261 --> 0:28:00.541
<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 11>Well, what comes to mind is seeing his friend shot

0:28:04.341 --> 0:28:08.461
<v Speaker 11>the head the guys that we left behind on that hill.

0:28:09.621 --> 0:28:12.461
<v Speaker 11>I know it was irrational, but at the moment there

0:28:12.501 --> 0:28:14.701
<v Speaker 11>was nothing I could do. If he had said one

0:28:14.701 --> 0:28:18.861
<v Speaker 11>more thing, I punched him. Might say.

0:28:18.941 --> 0:28:21.141
<v Speaker 2>The guys of the four hundred and forty second were

0:28:21.181 --> 0:28:24.861
<v Speaker 2>proud to be amazing soldiers. They were proud of their reputation,

0:28:25.621 --> 0:28:29.421
<v Speaker 2>and above all, they were proud to serve. But that

0:28:29.461 --> 0:28:31.301
<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean that they were blind to the way that

0:28:31.341 --> 0:28:35.621
<v Speaker 2>they were treated. They saw the injustice, but they chose

0:28:35.661 --> 0:28:43.101
<v Speaker 2>to keep moving forward because they loved their country. Joe

0:28:43.181 --> 0:28:46.901
<v Speaker 2>left the Army. He moved to Denver, Colorado. He fell

0:28:46.941 --> 0:28:50.141
<v Speaker 2>in love with Bess, the cutest girl he'd ever seen.

0:28:51.061 --> 0:28:55.741
<v Speaker 2>They got married, had a daughter. Joe decided he wanted

0:28:55.781 --> 0:28:56.501
<v Speaker 2>to be a mechanic.

0:28:57.541 --> 0:29:00.821
<v Speaker 3>They looked at me and he says, Wow, he's Japanese,

0:29:01.541 --> 0:29:04.861
<v Speaker 3>so they wouldn't hire me. Not am I doing him?

0:29:05.741 --> 0:29:08.941
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to the post office has an own discrimination

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<v Speaker 3>of the post office.

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<v Speaker 2>Joe stayed at the post office for thirty two years

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<v Speaker 2>until he retired. He kept talking about what happened to

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<v Speaker 2>him in France. He felt like it helped.

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<v Speaker 3>I have to talk about it. If I had to

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<v Speaker 3>keep it in here, I think I would go crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>And as the decades passed, a movement began to recognize

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<v Speaker 2>Joe and the other members of the four hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>forty second. Think about all those awards the four hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and forty second got, how is it possible that only

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<v Speaker 2>one of them had received a Medal of honor? The

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<v Speaker 2>answer was they had been recommended for medals of honor

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<v Speaker 2>at the time, but those recommendations had been rejected again

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<v Speaker 2>and again and again. In nineteen ninety seven, after an

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<v Speaker 2>exhaustive review, the Senior Army Decorations Board made a decision

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<v Speaker 2>they would finally give credit to some extraordinary Asian American soldiers.

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<v Speaker 2>They upgraded twenty one Distinguished Service Crosses and one Silver

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<v Speaker 2>Star to medals of honor. It was appropriate, but it

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<v Speaker 2>was late only seven of the twenty two were still

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<v Speaker 2>alive when President Clinton presided over the Medal of Honor

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<v Speaker 2>ceremony in two thousand.

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<v Speaker 12>They risked their lives above and beyond the call of duty,

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<v Speaker 12>and in so doing, they did more than defend America

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<v Speaker 12>in the face of painful prejudice. They helped to define

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<v Speaker 12>America at its best. They didn't give up on our country,

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<v Speaker 12>even when too many of their countrymen and women had

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<v Speaker 12>given up on them. They deserve, at the least the

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<v Speaker 12>most we can give, the Medal of Honor. Private Sakanto's

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<v Speaker 12>extraordinary hair was and devotion to duty aren't keeping with

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<v Speaker 12>the highest traditions of the military service. I reflect great

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<v Speaker 12>credit on him is in the United States Army.

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Sicato had traveled across the country to accept this medal,

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<v Speaker 2>a medal he never really thought of as his, but

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<v Speaker 2>he cherished it until he died at the age of

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<v Speaker 2>ninety four.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm no hero, but I worked for the guys that

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<v Speaker 3>didn't come back.

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<v Speaker 2>He wore it for his friends, the man who had

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<v Speaker 2>stood up beside him and fought for what was right.

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<v Speaker 2>And I suspect he wore it for one friend most

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<v Speaker 2>of all. Thank you all for listening and supporting our show.

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<v Speaker 2>Over the past year, We've gotten emails from some of

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<v Speaker 2>you sharing great stories of courage, and we want to

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<v Speaker 2>shout out Mikayla Ernster's grandfather and granduncles who served in

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<v Speaker 2>World War Two.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter J.

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<v Speaker 2>Delasandro is also part of our family and received the

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<v Speaker 2>Medal of Honor in nineteen forty four.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, MICHAELA. For sharing.

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<v Speaker 2>Stories of Courage is written by Meredith Robins and produce

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<v Speaker 2>by Meredith Rollins and Ryan Schweikert. Our editor is Lydia

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<v Speaker 2>Gopher Broke National Educational Center, the Man's In Our Oral

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, j R. Martinez