1
00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:20,080
Speaker 1: Aba fam, Welcome to another episode of Brown Ambition. I

2
00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,560
Speaker 1: am your host, Mandy Woodrif Santos and whoo it has

3
00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:29,120
Speaker 1: been It has been a week, ba fam. I am

4
00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,320
Speaker 1: still recovering from afro Tech. I don't know if I

5
00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:36,480
Speaker 1: had told y'all, but I was invited to attend by

6
00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:41,360
Speaker 1: Blavity CEO and multi Brown Ambition host. I think she's

7
00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:45,440
Speaker 1: been on the show two times at least Morgan Debon

8
00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:50,479
Speaker 1: and I had been invited by her last year, but

9
00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,280
Speaker 1: a lot was going on. I just had a baby,

10
00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,480
Speaker 1: and then of course there was a bunch of you know,

11
00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,280
Speaker 1: I was back and forth to Atlanta, traveling for some

12
00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,680
Speaker 1: family stuff. It just wasn't a good time. Last year

13
00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,720
Speaker 1: it was in Austin. But when I got the invite

14
00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,959
Speaker 1: this year, something just said, you better get yourself in

15
00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,120
Speaker 1: that room. I had not been to afro Tech, which

16
00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,440
Speaker 1: is alarming to me. I think I might have gone

17
00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:18,840
Speaker 1: to one of the smaller offshoot conferences, more local or

18
00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:20,840
Speaker 1: regional ones that they have hosted over the years. But

19
00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,920
Speaker 1: for those who are not in the know, afro Tech, God,

20
00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,800
Speaker 1: how do you describe it? We're talking about a professional

21
00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,680
Speaker 1: It is where black professionals get their damn life and

22
00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:39,680
Speaker 1: come together with a mix of entrepreneurs, CEOs, business founders,

23
00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:47,320
Speaker 1: business leaders, job seekers, students, more experienced professionals who are

24
00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:51,400
Speaker 1: looking for new opportunities, or simply want to be in

25
00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:58,000
Speaker 1: a community that feels like safe, that feels like us,

26
00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:02,240
Speaker 1: that feels like in the backdrop of the twenty twenty

27
00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,120
Speaker 1: four election that we just went through, y'all, I can't

28
00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,560
Speaker 1: think of a better place to have landed just a

29
00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:09,400
Speaker 1: week later than in the smack in the middle of

30
00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,640
Speaker 1: thirty five thousand, yes, thirty five. I did not even

31
00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,440
Speaker 1: know the scope of this thing, y'all. Thirty five thousand

32
00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:20,720
Speaker 1: people descended upon Houston, Texas for Afrotech. I have never

33
00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:24,480
Speaker 1: been to something that big in my entire life as

34
00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,960
Speaker 1: far as like a conference goes. I mean, the scale

35
00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,480
Speaker 1: of it, I just could not. I mean I just

36
00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,600
Speaker 1: would turn the corner and I'd be like, wow, that

37
00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,920
Speaker 1: is amazing. Wow. Look how the stage design. Look at

38
00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,359
Speaker 1: the presentation, Look at the MC's, Look at how they

39
00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:43,040
Speaker 1: have you know, even small details like the yard, I

40
00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:46,040
Speaker 1: mean not a small detail, but Howard University, y'all, they

41
00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,000
Speaker 1: did the damn thing. They had something in the front

42
00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,040
Speaker 1: called the yard. Which was it was. They'd be out

43
00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,360
Speaker 1: there at like eight thirty am, bumping, having the DJ

44
00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:57,640
Speaker 1: going and the food trucks, and you would be you'd

45
00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,120
Speaker 1: be at a conference talking to people about professional goals,

46
00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,120
Speaker 1: and you could walk outside and do the damn Cuba

47
00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,520
Speaker 1: shuffle and go back inside and get right back to business.

48
00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,440
Speaker 1: And that is how we do. I cannot think of

49
00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:16,840
Speaker 1: a more incredible space to be in as a black professional.

50
00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,200
Speaker 1: And I when did I spend I spent maybe three Yeah,

51
00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,120
Speaker 1: I spent three days at Afrotech. I actually missed some

52
00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,840
Speaker 1: of the most exciting parts. At the end, they had

53
00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,000
Speaker 1: the they had the Black Party, which is like their

54
00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,440
Speaker 1: big celebration. At the end, there were, you know, some

55
00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,520
Speaker 1: some celebrations that I had to miss, and I did

56
00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:39,880
Speaker 1: it for a good reason though. I had to come

57
00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,000
Speaker 1: back to New York to see my little brother. He

58
00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:46,360
Speaker 1: has a short film that premiered at the Urban World

59
00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,440
Speaker 1: Urban World Film Festival here in New York City, and

60
00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:55,480
Speaker 1: I was so proud of him. And honestly, if y'all

61
00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,960
Speaker 1: haven't attended a film festival in your town, they are

62
00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,000
Speaker 1: all over the country. So if you live near a

63
00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,840
Speaker 1: major city, chances are there is a film festival in

64
00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:09,000
Speaker 1: that city or nearby. I really encourage you to go

65
00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:13,040
Speaker 1: because there is amazing art that is being created by

66
00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:18,320
Speaker 1: whether it's budding filmmakers or veteran filmmakers, but there are

67
00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,039
Speaker 1: some really incredible stories out there that won't get a

68
00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,160
Speaker 1: chance to be seen unless you go to these festivals.

69
00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,800
Speaker 1: And it was maybe my second or third festival that

70
00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,200
Speaker 1: I've ever gone to, which is kind of embarrassing because

71
00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,400
Speaker 1: I live in the film capital of America kind of

72
00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,880
Speaker 1: right apart from la and maybe Atlanta, I don't know,

73
00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:41,760
Speaker 1: but it was really extraordinary. And then I logged on

74
00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:46,760
Speaker 1: to like Instagram yesterday and Morgan from Blavity in Afro

75
00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,680
Speaker 1: Tech she was posting, and I mean, I gotta give

76
00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:55,160
Speaker 1: it up to Morgan. I can't believe how poised she was.

77
00:04:55,279 --> 00:05:00,000
Speaker 1: I mean she was everywhere. She was introducing the whole conference,

78
00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,000
Speaker 1: kicking it off, she was on multiple stages a day,

79
00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,640
Speaker 1: she was working the crowd, she was in lord No,

80
00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:09,000
Speaker 1: she was working behind the scenes with partners and making

81
00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,440
Speaker 1: sure everybody was having a great time in her team.

82
00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:15,560
Speaker 1: My god, at Blavity, I mean black excellence, black f

83
00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:19,880
Speaker 1: and excellence. But I saw that there was like a

84
00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,880
Speaker 1: bunch of like hot takes on social media about whether

85
00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,320
Speaker 1: or not afro Tech is worth it. Some people were

86
00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,560
Speaker 1: saying that it was too expensive and calling out a

87
00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,000
Speaker 1: price of eight hundred dollars for the conference pass. And

88
00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,960
Speaker 1: like any conference, there are multiple levels of access, right,

89
00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,599
Speaker 1: there's a student pass, there's I had an executive pass,

90
00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,560
Speaker 1: which is like for more I think more senior professionals.

91
00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,520
Speaker 1: And there was a corporate sponsor pass, and forget some

92
00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,440
Speaker 1: other ones general pass, And yeah, they come at different

93
00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:55,159
Speaker 1: price points. But let's say you had spent eight hundred

94
00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,440
Speaker 1: dollars on that conference, as long as you came with

95
00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,880
Speaker 1: a plan and a purpose for being there, as long

96
00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,400
Speaker 1: as you maybe went to i don't know, ten percent

97
00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:09,040
Speaker 1: of the gajillion different incredible sessions that they had, as

98
00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,160
Speaker 1: long as you hung out there for I don't know,

99
00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,120
Speaker 1: three to four hours a day, even though they had

100
00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,760
Speaker 1: programming from like eight am until five pm and then

101
00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,960
Speaker 1: additional events in the evening. Even if you did that,

102
00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,960
Speaker 1: I think you would get your money back. You would

103
00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,600
Speaker 1: find the value there. And that is a fraction. Not

104
00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,919
Speaker 1: only is that a fraction of what I've seen some

105
00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,840
Speaker 1: in person massive conferences cost, but it's a fraction of

106
00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:38,440
Speaker 1: like what some online professional development courses can cost, right like.

107
00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:42,960
Speaker 1: And this is in community, in person with real people.

108
00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:48,840
Speaker 1: And I went through this expohole, y'all, and I couldn't

109
00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,839
Speaker 1: the scale of it, the scale of it. There were

110
00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:57,479
Speaker 1: the hugest brands, I mean, American Express LinkedIn. There was

111
00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:01,320
Speaker 1: a whole damn TwixT integration because Mars Wrigley was a

112
00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,799
Speaker 1: sponsor and the CEO was there. Who knew Mars Wrigley's

113
00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:04,679
Speaker 1: CEO was black?

114
00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:05,280
Speaker 2: I didn't.

115
00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,919
Speaker 1: Who knew the CEO of the Honest Company was black?

116
00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,880
Speaker 1: I didn't Afro Latina. And not only that, but I

117
00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,000
Speaker 1: got to go to a dinner right and sit right

118
00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:18,320
Speaker 1: next to the CEO of Honest Company. And that's the

119
00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:22,560
Speaker 1: kind of magic that can happen at afro Tech. And Yeah,

120
00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:27,080
Speaker 1: I'm one hundred percent. I'm sold. I am so grateful

121
00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,880
Speaker 1: to attend. I will be back unless something crazy happens.

122
00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,280
Speaker 1: I'm going back in twenty twenty five. It's going to

123
00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:39,520
Speaker 1: be in Houston again. And in fact, Houston made November

124
00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:41,600
Speaker 1: what is it November sixteenth, which was the last day

125
00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,840
Speaker 1: of the conference, they declared it afro Tech Day. Let's

126
00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:49,320
Speaker 1: go go Morgan like that is so amazing. So I'm

127
00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,000
Speaker 1: just in awe. It was a wonderful experience. I'm not

128
00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:56,559
Speaker 1: even like probably the target exact target audience for afro

129
00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,160
Speaker 1: tech because I'm not a prof I'm not a professional

130
00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,880
Speaker 1: who's like working their way up at these at tech corporations.

131
00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,320
Speaker 1: But I still got huge value out of it because

132
00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:09,160
Speaker 1: I am a professional. I'm a working black woman in

133
00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,480
Speaker 1: the world, and it's just magical to be in community

134
00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,840
Speaker 1: with other people who are just wanting more for themselves

135
00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:20,120
Speaker 1: and wanting to connect and wanting to learn. And i

136
00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:24,560
Speaker 1: mean just the level of spongery. I'm saying spongery not

137
00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:28,400
Speaker 1: ain't a word, but the level of openness to learning

138
00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:32,280
Speaker 1: new things and feeling like you are getting you know,

139
00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,120
Speaker 1: you're at the forefront of some really essential information for

140
00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:39,400
Speaker 1: your career. I mean, it was just incredible. So listen,

141
00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:43,520
Speaker 1: I will ride for Morgan and Blavity any damn time.

142
00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,040
Speaker 1: So everyone on the internet who's saying it's too expensive

143
00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,760
Speaker 1: or it's just for people who want to go there

144
00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:53,640
Speaker 1: and meet a husband, which is so sexist coded like

145
00:08:53,920 --> 00:09:00,240
Speaker 1: so so sexist, so misogynistic, because you know what, like,

146
00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,439
Speaker 1: if you're a dude, I would say, you probably have.

147
00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,280
Speaker 3: Better odds finding a WiFi at afro Tech and probably

148
00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,920
Speaker 3: got more potential for that too, because, like all things,

149
00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,959
Speaker 3: black women were there front and center. So I think

150
00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,800
Speaker 3: that's just all bullshit. I think if you went with

151
00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:20,360
Speaker 3: a purpose, a plan, and you were someone who was

152
00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,920
Speaker 3: going to push yourself outside your comfort zone and not

153
00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,000
Speaker 3: let things like, yes, we are a lot of us

154
00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,200
Speaker 3: are introverts. Yes, a lot of us struggle in huge,

155
00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:33,839
Speaker 3: over stimulating environments. And if there's one thing afro Tech is,

156
00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:38,240
Speaker 3: it is a loud, proud, in your face convention. They

157
00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,960
Speaker 3: have so much to get in front of you, like

158
00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:46,840
Speaker 3: they have it's music, it's of course, it's speakers and lights,

159
00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,079
Speaker 3: and it's massive, and you're walking from oh you're walking

160
00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,839
Speaker 3: miles and you're not even leaving the building, right, So.

161
00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,520
Speaker 1: It's very stimulating. And yes, I too struggle with that,

162
00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:00,040
Speaker 1: and I too would have to go recharge myself and

163
00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,560
Speaker 1: get back out there. But it is like some experiences

164
00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,200
Speaker 1: are not worth that. Like I don't know every birthday

165
00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:08,960
Speaker 1: party for four year olds that I have had to

166
00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,600
Speaker 1: attend in the last year that have overstimulated me to

167
00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,200
Speaker 1: within an inch of my life, I wouldn't say that

168
00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,800
Speaker 1: those were necessarily worth my own happiness, the worth it

169
00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:22,360
Speaker 1: for me. But afro Tech, that is worth pushing yourself,

170
00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:27,400
Speaker 1: putting yourself past your own boundaries and like pushing yourself

171
00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:31,080
Speaker 1: through your comfort zone to really take full advantage of it.

172
00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,680
Speaker 1: So that is what I have to say about afro Tech.

173
00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:40,440
Speaker 1: Now about today's episode. Today, we got some company in

174
00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:44,400
Speaker 1: the studio, Brown Ambition, and I don't even really know

175
00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,080
Speaker 1: how it all happened, but it happened, and I'm not

176
00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,480
Speaker 1: gonna I'm not gonna question it. I'm just gonna say

177
00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:55,200
Speaker 1: that I got to interview the one and only Matthew Knowles, Yes,

178
00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,959
Speaker 1: Beyonce's dad. I don't know what else to say it.

179
00:10:59,480 --> 00:10:59,880
Speaker 2: Matthew.

180
00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,360
Speaker 1: Of course he is so much more than that. But

181
00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,800
Speaker 1: Matthew Noles, oh my goodness, is the guest on Brown

182
00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,160
Speaker 1: Ambition today. Matthew Knowles. What can I say about him?

183
00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,839
Speaker 1: He's a visionary, an entrepreneur, he's a renowned music executive,

184
00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:18,079
Speaker 1: he's an author. He advocates for education and for empowerment,

185
00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,360
Speaker 1: and you're going to hear today how he is advocating

186
00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:24,320
Speaker 1: for us to understand our bodies in an even more

187
00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,679
Speaker 1: holistic way. So that we can get in front of

188
00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:31,160
Speaker 1: potentially harmful diseases that maybe in our DNA. Yes, Matthew

189
00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:34,920
Speaker 1: Knowles is an ambassador for twenty three and meters and

190
00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:37,320
Speaker 1: you'll hear today on the show how that was born

191
00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:41,200
Speaker 1: out of his own experience of being diagnosed as a

192
00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,280
Speaker 1: rare case of a male with breast cancer. So he

193
00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,640
Speaker 1: has taken that experience and I feel like it is

194
00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,640
Speaker 1: just the nole's way right to take your experience, turn

195
00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,000
Speaker 1: around and say how can I save some lives? How

196
00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,960
Speaker 1: can I use my experience to improve the health outcomes

197
00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:01,080
Speaker 1: for others? So that's what he's here to talk about now.

198
00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,560
Speaker 1: Of course y'all know him as the founder of some

199
00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,199
Speaker 1: of the biggest acts and music like Destiny's Child and

200
00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:11,240
Speaker 1: of course Beyonce, and he has a wealth of experience

201
00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:12,960
Speaker 1: and insights to share. You may not know it, but

202
00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:17,160
Speaker 1: he's actually a professor in the UK. He has also

203
00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,440
Speaker 1: taught in the US, so he is not to be

204
00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:24,880
Speaker 1: played with, Okay. So I talked to Matthew about everything

205
00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:28,079
Speaker 1: from the work he's doing with twenty three and Me

206
00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:33,120
Speaker 1: to his early days as an entrepreneur, to the types

207
00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,960
Speaker 1: of content, the types of lessons that he focuses on

208
00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:40,000
Speaker 1: teaching as an educator, we have us a good old time,

209
00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:44,680
Speaker 1: and you know what, as an interviewer, I've learned a

210
00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:48,040
Speaker 1: lesson too through this conversation. You'll hear and I actually

211
00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,160
Speaker 1: kept this in the show. You'll hear at a certain

212
00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,960
Speaker 1: point where some of my questions. Even though I'm having

213
00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:54,559
Speaker 1: a great time, I feel like we're getting along. I

214
00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,960
Speaker 1: usually keep things pretty casual, but Matthew has a boundary

215
00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,920
Speaker 1: and he's kind of like, here's my boundary, and let's

216
00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:02,880
Speaker 1: just pick a different track. And I was like, let

217
00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:04,800
Speaker 1: me keep that in the show because it's just real.

218
00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,520
Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, as an interviewer,

219
00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:10,640
Speaker 1: I'm really trying to play the role of the audience.

220
00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:15,680
Speaker 1: So I hope that I hope that y'all enjoy the interview.

221
00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:16,760
Speaker 1: I hope that you get a lot out of it.

222
00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,720
Speaker 1: I hope, honestly you get to know Matthew like I did,

223
00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:23,040
Speaker 1: as much more than the father of one of the

224
00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:29,000
Speaker 1: greatest artists in history, and get to really appreciate his work.

225
00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:33,960
Speaker 1: Oh and just stay tuned for the part where he

226
00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,240
Speaker 1: he shows us a little bit of his music talents

227
00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,640
Speaker 1: and talks about how he has a writing credit on

228
00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,520
Speaker 1: one of my absolute favorite Destney's Child songs. All Right,

229
00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a quick break and be right back

230
00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:50,760
Speaker 1: with my interview with Matthew Knowles. All Right, Hey, be

231
00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,320
Speaker 1: a fam we have some very special company in the

232
00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,400
Speaker 1: studio today. That's what I say when we have a guest.

233
00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,839
Speaker 1: I don't say guests, I say company. I am from

234
00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,160
Speaker 1: the South, I'm from Georgia. I'll know when we have company.

235
00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,559
Speaker 1: We take the plastic off the sofa, we get the

236
00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,400
Speaker 1: good plates down, and we say hello and welcome to

237
00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,800
Speaker 1: our guest today. And hey, you can hardly even believe it,

238
00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,240
Speaker 1: but mister Matthew Knowles, welcome to Brown Ambition.

239
00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:20,920
Speaker 2: Hey, I'm mag Mandy. You're from Georgia. From Alabama. Well,

240
00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,280
Speaker 2: from the South we are.

241
00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:25,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you call us? I mean, now you're

242
00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:26,760
Speaker 1: in Where are you at? Now?

243
00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:31,680
Speaker 2: Are you in La Orange County, California? You know my

244
00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:35,520
Speaker 2: wife and I we we live in Houston part time.

245
00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,520
Speaker 2: We live here part time. We live in London part time.

246
00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,800
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Okay, what are we doing this? Seasonally? Is

247
00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,400
Speaker 1: there a certain season? Do you leave Houston in the summer?

248
00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,000
Speaker 1: Because that heat I hear is intense.

249
00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:57,160
Speaker 2: It's not seasonal. It's it's more holiday fest of time. London.

250
00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:02,040
Speaker 2: I teach every quarter at the in College of Contemporary Music,

251
00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:07,000
Speaker 2: so that song calendar four times a year, and then

252
00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:08,960
Speaker 2: you know, most of the times. I've done twenty four

253
00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:13,880
Speaker 2: speaking events this year, twenty four around the world, so

254
00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,520
Speaker 2: we live a lot on the AirPrint planes as well.

255
00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:22,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean, I am excited because I feel

256
00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:26,760
Speaker 1: as if, well, I haven't I should just start by saying,

257
00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,080
Speaker 1: it's been a hell of a week, right, Honestly, I

258
00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,560
Speaker 1: am in this season where when I sit across from

259
00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,200
Speaker 1: someone who I know is an incredible parent or at

260
00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,480
Speaker 1: least has more experience than I do, the first thing

261
00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,040
Speaker 1: I want to do is just say, you got any

262
00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,640
Speaker 1: advice for me? I have a four almost a five

263
00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,160
Speaker 1: year old he turns five this year, and I have

264
00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:50,120
Speaker 1: a one year old, and I mean, this is a

265
00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,800
Speaker 1: very intense week, and I'm just wondering, like, as a dad,

266
00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,880
Speaker 1: have there like what advice do you have for parents

267
00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,560
Speaker 1: who are trying to figure out sort of like how

268
00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:05,040
Speaker 1: to keep the vibe hopeful and you know, hopeful and

269
00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,560
Speaker 1: forward looking during a crazy time like this.

270
00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:13,520
Speaker 2: Well, I'm I'm older than probably most of your audience.

271
00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,760
Speaker 2: So I've seen this before. I've seen it probably three

272
00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:22,240
Speaker 2: or four times in my lifetime. This too shall pass,

273
00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:27,360
Speaker 2: and it just prepares us. You know, whenever there's challenges

274
00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:31,480
Speaker 2: in our life or failure or mistakes, I view those

275
00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:39,200
Speaker 2: Mandia's opportunities, opportunities to grow, opportunities to get better, opportunities

276
00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:43,640
Speaker 2: to learn from the mistakes, also known as not going

277
00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:49,520
Speaker 2: to vote no. So so you know, it's an opportunity

278
00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,480
Speaker 2: for us. And I think we keep hope alive and

279
00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:59,440
Speaker 2: hopeful with our kids. Our parenting skills were always find

280
00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,680
Speaker 2: out what they are passionate for and with and and

281
00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:08,240
Speaker 2: surround them with all the support. When I found out

282
00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:12,840
Speaker 2: Beyonce Slane wanted to get at a young age and entertainment,

283
00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:17,240
Speaker 2: and we got a vocal coach, we got the tools

284
00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:21,199
Speaker 2: that they needed. So it's always about being hopeful with

285
00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:23,960
Speaker 2: our kids. I don't think we give them the do

286
00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:27,479
Speaker 2: them and glow them. I don't think in parenting kids

287
00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:29,400
Speaker 2: needs need to know everything.

288
00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:35,320
Speaker 1: Mmm not. They don't need to know everything. Just enough,

289
00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,320
Speaker 1: I mean just just enough, just enough to get through.

290
00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:39,800
Speaker 2: Well.

291
00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,920
Speaker 1: I did see that you you had joined Beyonce in

292
00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:47,080
Speaker 1: Houston to support Kamala Harris's campaign. Is that right? I

293
00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,399
Speaker 1: think I saw a photo. Yes, Yes, what was that experience? Like?

294
00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:57,200
Speaker 2: It was amazing experience, amazing energy. The venue that it

295
00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:00,680
Speaker 2: was in was literally seven blocks from where my wife

296
00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:04,840
Speaker 2: and I lived. We had only been there once, but

297
00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:08,680
Speaker 2: it was set up for soccer, and I had never

298
00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,640
Speaker 2: I didn't even understand that thirty thousand people could get

299
00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,399
Speaker 2: in this venue. And so it was so much energy

300
00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:19,080
Speaker 2: and so much security, security that I had never seen before,

301
00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:25,560
Speaker 2: scary security. So it was it was an interesting night.

302
00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,400
Speaker 2: I didn't found out until later that there had been

303
00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,360
Speaker 2: a bomb threat and that's why I was delayed. Uh

304
00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,959
Speaker 2: So it was it was deleted somewhat couple of hours.

305
00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:40,600
Speaker 2: So it was a long night.

306
00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,640
Speaker 1: Oh man, Oh I didn't. I hadn't heard that. Well

307
00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,440
Speaker 1: for you, I mean, I know you recently you have

308
00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:52,240
Speaker 1: been doing some speaking engagements and have been sharing I mean, obviously,

309
00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:57,280
Speaker 1: you developed, you produced, you managed one of the most

310
00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:01,719
Speaker 1: iconic groups in his story of music and one that

311
00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,679
Speaker 1: means so much to me as a little girl growing

312
00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:08,280
Speaker 1: up in the nineties and early two thousands. But the

313
00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,359
Speaker 1: business behind that, I know you've been talking a bit

314
00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,480
Speaker 1: about the branding of you know, a group like Destiny's

315
00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:17,600
Speaker 1: Child and then to Beyonce, And I saw this graphic

316
00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,840
Speaker 1: where there are all these different, you know, elements of

317
00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,439
Speaker 1: building the brand of Beyonce and Destiny's Child from like

318
00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:29,760
Speaker 1: marketing and worldwide engagement and global engagement. Did politics ever

319
00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,679
Speaker 1: come up? I you know, seeing Beyonce now sort of

320
00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:39,000
Speaker 1: take the stage with with Kelly and support Harris for you, like,

321
00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:42,120
Speaker 1: is that something that you would encourage as a manager

322
00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,000
Speaker 1: for someone who's maybe not necessarily seen to be in that,

323
00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,120
Speaker 1: you know, On the political side of things.

324
00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:54,200
Speaker 2: Well, politics is in business, Mandy, not the politics of government,

325
00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,320
Speaker 2: but the politics of relationships and how decisions are made

326
00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:06,360
Speaker 2: certainly follow the same concept. There are politics in business

327
00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:11,480
Speaker 2: that you have to build those proper relationships with. That's

328
00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:15,760
Speaker 2: why it becomes very important relationship building. So there is

329
00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:22,240
Speaker 2: a similarity there. No, I don't get that involved today

330
00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:27,159
Speaker 2: in the governmental politics. I did when I was younger,

331
00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:35,880
Speaker 2: much younger in Alabama and demonstrating and desegregating. I never

332
00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,960
Speaker 2: went to a black school, Mandy, and I'm seventy two

333
00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:42,440
Speaker 2: years old until I was a junior in college. So

334
00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:47,200
Speaker 2: my mother went to high school in Cretit King and Marion, Alabama,

335
00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:51,400
Speaker 2: and when she moved to Gaston, Alabama. My mom she

336
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:57,160
Speaker 2: was ferocious in the movement, and so I integrated elementary, Junior, High,

337
00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:01,720
Speaker 2: High School, University of Tennessee at Chattanoogood. So from the

338
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:06,359
Speaker 2: that regard guards, I was speaking last night to a

339
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 2: group of young people. You know, I've been beaten, spit on,

340
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:14,199
Speaker 2: electric prodded, all the things that young people today have

341
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 2: no clue of what a colored and white water fountain

342
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 2: looks like, or bathroom that we had to go to.

343
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,920
Speaker 2: And really, because of that, because the lack of history,

344
00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 2: don't have the appreciation of how important it is to vote.

345
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,879
Speaker 1: And what the stakes are. You know. One of the

346
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,359
Speaker 1: things that I was grappling with what to say to

347
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,480
Speaker 1: the Brown Ambition audience as toally, I ended up coming

348
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 1: on at like four in the morning and basically saying

349
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 1: what was on my heart. But one of the things

350
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:47,879
Speaker 1: I thought about was how my generation was given this

351
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:53,159
Speaker 1: impression that your generation, the ones who came before, is

352
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 1: the Mlks, John Lewis is the Shirley Chisholms, that they

353
00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 1: had done so much fighting and that they had one period,

354
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 1: you know, and I think what we're in now, and

355
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd love to hear your thoughts on this too,

356
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 1: but it sounds like this unlearning of the fact that

357
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,920
Speaker 1: this is not We can't take it for granted. It's

358
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 1: not done. The fight is so not done. In fact,

359
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 1: it maybe starting, you know, from further behind in many

360
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,479
Speaker 1: ways and like where we thought it was, and that

361
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:27,639
Speaker 1: has rocked some people's worlds and terrified them in a

362
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 1: way that doesn't seem to be terrifying you, because of

363
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 1: course you seem to have experienced, you know, that level

364
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 1: of social unrest and unjust and where things aren't fair,

365
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 1: things don't work out for the home team all the time.

366
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, life is not fair in my opinion, So I

367
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 2: seldom used that word was it fair or not? Was

368
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 2: it injustice? You know, I used those type of of

369
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 2: of scenarios. But you know, so I just think that also,

370
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:08,360
Speaker 2: we've made a lot of progress as black people, and

371
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 2: we can never forget that. And I think sometimes we

372
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 2: forget just the population of America. We are only thirty

373
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 2: eight million people. There's two hundred million white people, and

374
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 2: to have done all the things we've done with such

375
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 2: small numbers is absolutely amazing. And I think we lose

376
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:39,199
Speaker 2: sight on that. Sometimes we lose sight on what a

377
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 2: small number of people have accomplished with a majority number

378
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 2: of people. And so I have hope. I help hope

379
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 2: in your generation. This election showed us a lot of

380
00:23:53,920 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 2: data one being educated versus those that aren't educated, and

381
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 2: how the thought process. You know, you can easily fool

382
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 2: someone who's not knowledgeable. If you don't understand how a

383
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 2: car operates, then you can tell mechanic can tell you anything,

384
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 2: and you'll buy into it that you need a new radiator, okay,

385
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 2: you need a new battery, okay, because you're not knowledgeable.

386
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 2: And that's what happens. Is why I really press about knowledge.

387
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:38,400
Speaker 2: I use the word knowledge rather than education because knowledge

388
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 2: is to me more important having the knowledge of something,

389
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 2: because you have the Bolls smarts of something. I'm a

390
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 2: college professor. I'm saying this doesn't necessarily give you to

391
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 2: give you the knowledge that you need. That's where I

392
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 2: would give hope, because we've come a long way, and

393
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 2: I would want her to understand again why it is

394
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 2: important to vote. Why is it is it important to

395
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 2: build relationships? Why is it to understand different cultures, how

396
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 2: they think, how they operate, it's important to understand that

397
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 2: we're all different. Cultures are different, how they decision making

398
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 2: is different, how they build relationships are different. Uh And,

399
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 2: and people that are successful they understand that.

400
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: Talk to me a little bit more. I'm just curious

401
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 1: about that knowledge versus education.

402
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 2: Uh And. And to give an example, if a professor

403
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 2: taught entrepreneurship out of the textbook and had never been

404
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 2: an entrepreneur, I take offense because he or she would

405
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 2: not have the knowledge of what it means in the

406
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 2: day to day of what an entrepre entrepreneur has to

407
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 2: go through that's not in the book, the mental aspect

408
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 2: of it, the importance of understanding the financial aspect of it,

409
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 2: and what we as Blacks have to go through to

410
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 2: run a business versus our counterparts. Because that's an example. Yes,

411
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 2: you could get a take the course from someone who

412
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 2: taught it that never has been an entrepreneur, and I

413
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 2: guarantee you that course will be totally different from someone

414
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: who's an entrepreneur that teaches the course. First of all,

415
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 2: for me, I throw half of that stuff out the

416
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:46,239
Speaker 2: window because it's not applicable. It's just textbook filling up

417
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 2: pages in a book that's never going to be used.

418
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: What are the things that you were like, we're skipping

419
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: that chapter.

420
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 2: Because that's the knowledge I have. Yeah, I'm on call

421
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 2: in what's very important going to move the needle for

422
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:02,719
Speaker 2: you as an entrepreneur?

423
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: What is that I'm an entrepreneur?

424
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I'm not going to get into teaching

425
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 2: the class with you.

426
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 1: No, I'm curious, but like no, no, I obviously absolutely

427
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: let me know. I'll sign up. I'll go to London

428
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 1: whatever school you're teaching getting get a proper course. But

429
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: I'm just curious, like high level, I'm very curious to hear,

430
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: like high level, what are the like tenants of entrepreneurship

431
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 1: that you're like, this is the stuff that's going to

432
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 1: separate your success from failures for me.

433
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 2: For me, it's a simple as to who the what,

434
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 2: the why, the where the who the what the why

435
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 2: the where? Who's the customer? What is the product? Why

436
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 2: should my customer buy it? And what is are the

437
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,959
Speaker 2: distribution channels? That's the fundamentals of entrepreneurship. Now I can

438
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 2: go into the different distribution and how that works. I

439
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 2: can go into marketing and how that works, but basically

440
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 2: it's those four elements and when you build out from

441
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 2: the foundation. Uh. Then you hear some people say, what's

442
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 2: the word that's used, systemic racism? I use the word

443
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 2: structural racism. When you build a house, you first build

444
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 2: a foundation, the structure of it. When you build a business,

445
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 2: you first build a foundation, the structure of the business.

446
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 2: Then you go into the systems. Then you go into

447
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 2: putting in the light system, the heating system, the air

448
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 2: conditioning systems, and a home. But you first build out

449
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 2: the foundation of it. I keep like real that that

450
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 2: has worked for me. I guess coming from Alabama, people

451
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 2: keep things very simple. Uh. Sometimes we make it more

452
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: difficult than it really is. And there's no need for

453
00:28:58,720 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 2: that often.

454
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: I mean, from what I'm hearing, it's for you. Have

455
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: you defined your customer? Have you defined the need that

456
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,479
Speaker 1: they have? Do you know why they would need what

457
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: you want? And do you know how to get it

458
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: to them?

459
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 2: Yes?

460
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: Am I? How am I doing?

461
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 2: Who the who? The what the why? To where you

462
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 2: got to a on that one? Mandy? Oh?

463
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,719
Speaker 1: Thank you? I mean you said that you wouldn't call

464
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: it systemic racism, but structural racism. I mean, we can

465
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: keep it Alabama simple, but tell me more about structural

466
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,479
Speaker 1: racism and it's its role in you know, the in

467
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: the life for a young black entrepreneur, like the people

468
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: who listen to our show who want to start their

469
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: own businesses. Where do you see that potentially causing them issues?

470
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: And then how to overcome that?

471
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think when I look at straight structural racism,

472
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 2: it's four pillows to that basic pills. You know, one

473
00:29:54,440 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 2: is education and knowledge because if you don't have the

474
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 2: knowledge then and by the knowledge also allows you to

475
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 2: get a good job or run a successful business, which

476
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 2: then allows you to live in a certain neighborhood because

477
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 2: if you lived in some neighborhoods, then you have I

478
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 2: then dealt with uh, you know, liquor stores, grocery stores

479
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 2: on every block, and the culture of that neighborhood. So

480
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 2: for me, it all starts with knowledge and education which

481
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 2: allows you to build out and how you live in

482
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 2: the way that you live. That It's as simple as

483
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 2: that for me. And because I'm older, you guys don't

484
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 2: understand that during integration, the only people that really integrated

485
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 2: were Black people. We integrate it, we allow other cultures

486
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 2: into our neighborhood. When I grew up Mandy and maybe

487
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: with your grandparents. We had black grocery stores, we had

488
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 2: black gas stations, we had black nail salons, we we

489
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 2: had black businesses in our neighborhood. And then we integrated.

490
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 2: And then we moved out into the suburbs and left

491
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 2: our core neighborhood behind. And now as we see those

492
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 2: neighborhood and say, don't look the same. So I always

493
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 2: think we were the ones who integrated.

494
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: And something was potentially lost in those communities absolutely over

495
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: the same time. Well, how.

496
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 2: And then social media and then social media doesn't help

497
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 2: us uh today because we get so much false information

498
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 2: on social media. It's it's it's sad. It's very sad

499
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 2: that our younger generation have to endure uh social media

500
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 2: and and and some not understanding that what they're reading

501
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 2: is not even truth and actually believing it. Uh. Social

502
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 2: media has done a lot of damage in my my

503
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 2: uh my thoughts.

504
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: Do you think it's a necessary evil?

505
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: I use social media for marketing. I just don't have

506
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 2: a desire a concern to want to communicate with someone

507
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 2: that I really or get angry or upset with someone's

508
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 2: comment that I don't even know. For all I know,

509
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 2: they could be a ten year old and here I

510
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 2: am getting upset because I read something you know, and

511
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: so I don't. I don't. LinkedIn is where I live

512
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:00,959
Speaker 2: on social media.

513
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: Oh love a LinkedIn profile as.

514
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 2: Because that's where business people live, There's where educated, knowledgeable

515
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 2: people live, and that's where I live. I live on LinkedIn.

516
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 2: Well as a company, we do other social medias, but

517
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 2: I don't get involved.

518
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: Well it helps to have that buffer, right, Yeah, So

519
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: tell can you? Would you mind talking about the business now?

520
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: I mean what is it? Because yeah, I, like you said,

521
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: many people may not know that you are a professor

522
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: and you're doing these speaking engagements. But what's your How

523
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: has your business structure? Your business strategy is sort of

524
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: changed over the last couple of decades.

525
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 2: Well for me, and I say this with a lot

526
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 2: of gratitude, you talked about building Destiny Child to the

527
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 2: number one female group in the history of music, and

528
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 2: Beyonce is a number one female are in it? Uh?

529
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 2: And and in growing that business, you understand the music

530
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 2: industry is about intellectual property building IP, and when you

531
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 2: build IP, it allows you and perpetuity to help income.

532
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 2: So fortunately, thirty five years later, when I look at

533
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:35,280
Speaker 2: my business. Three fourths of it is mailbox money, simply

534
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 2: going to the mailbox every quarter, every semi annuals.

535
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: That residuals. That's playing boot Delicious and it's like, correct, correct,

536
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: Well you're welcome because all those Survivor plays yesterday for med.

537
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 2: You have you ever looked at the liner notes? So

538
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 2: who wrote Survivor?

539
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: I mean maybe once upon a time, but you know

540
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: what notes.

541
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 2: You've got a computer, just google the writers of Survivor

542
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 2: and tell you audience, It'll only take you thirty seconds

543
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 2: to do that, because you're good on your computer.

544
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:20,720
Speaker 1: I'm so good, okay, Survivor. I'm like, who reads liner

545
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: credits anymore? And you don't even have a physical album

546
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: to look at now.

547
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 2: People that movedone in England read line of credit. Japanese

548
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 2: culture reads line of credits.

549
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: Composed by Matthew Knows, Beyonce and Anthony Dent. Is that correct?

550
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 2: That is correct?

551
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: That's your whole like that's some that's your whole nest

552
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: egg right there.

553
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 2: Of blessed. I've written some number of songs in my career.

554
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: Uh wait, wait, what lyric did you come up with?

555
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 2: I came up with the melody more so than the lyrics,

556
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: which quite frankly, that's actually me humming on the song

557
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 2: and saying what are used to? What? What?

558
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: M That's actually me really Okay, mister Knowle is a

559
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: singer too.

560
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 2: So I'm not a sound.

561
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: You don't want to like, nothing, you want to like contribute? Okay.

562
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: How many other songs are you secretly backing vocals on?

563
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 2: Well, most people don't realize that. At music World Gospel,

564
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 2: we built a number one gospel label in the world

565
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 2: with Leandrew Johnson, Trinity five seven, Brian Courtney Wilson. So

566
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 2: everybody's focus have always been on Destiny Shall and Beyonce

567
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 2: and Solange and Kelly Michelle, but us, but quietly I've

568
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 2: done more outside of that in the music industry, you know,

569
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 2: building that number one. Had had a country label compadre

570
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 2: for years, for almost fifteen years country label. At the

571
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 2: opportunity with Music World Sanctuary record label to do Last

572
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: Earth Wind and Fire Song with Maurice, I did see

573
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 2: Sha Ka Khan and in London Symphony Cool and Nick Gang,

574
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 2: last two Old Jay's records, Sunshine and his Soon. I

575
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 2: can go on and on, but that stays on the

576
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 2: radar and I'm good with that because I like being

577
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 2: under the radar. It's a good thing sometimes being under

578
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:39,240
Speaker 2: the radar.

579
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you're known as the mastermind of like the

580
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: number one girl group, like you said.

581
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 2: But you have to understand that for twenty years I

582
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: managed Beyonce. So why am I not known as the

583
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,720
Speaker 2: mastermind behind Beyonce?

584
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: Is that something that you want to be known?

585
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 2: No, it's just a question. If I'm the master mine

586
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 2: of Destiny Shaw, wouldn't I be the mastermind of Beyonce.

587
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 2: I didn't stop managing her to twenty twelve and she

588
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 2: started in nineteen ninety two. That would be twenty years.

589
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

590
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 2: Would that when wouldn't I have architect her career just

591
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 2: like that architect Destiny Shall career? Would that be a

592
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 2: Beyonce if there was not a Destiny Shaw? Was that

593
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 2: a strategy? I want you won't want to answer that question?

594
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: Well, the Jackson five, Michael Jackson, there's so many examples

595
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: of the group being the launch pad for the you know,

596
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: an individual star to come out of the Supremes.

597
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 2: You ever heard that girl group Supremes?

598
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: Of course?

599
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that boy.

600
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: I was trying not to say justin Timberlake, I got

601
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: stuck on that. I'm like, damn it, who want to

602
00:38:58,560 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: say the size?

603
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: Just there you go.

604
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: Diana Ross was the Supremes And then I panicked because

605
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: I couldn't think of the lead singer of the Supremes was,

606
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: and I was like, damn it, I should know this

607
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: as Diana Ross.

608
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 2: Mister Knowles, you have such a great spirit. Mandy, Oh,

609
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 2: thank you very much.

610
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: I mean you are Beyonce's I mean like you were

611
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: Beyonce's dad. I don't understand what that even must feel

612
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 1: like for you. I mean, she is so huge now,

613
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: but she's still a human, She's still your baby girl.

614
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 2: Well that's what I really enjoy today because there was

615
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 2: a time it was it was extremely difficult to manage

616
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 2: your kids, and there was a time that I was

617
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 2: more her manager than her dad. And now I'm one

618
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 2: hundred percent her dad, and I love that.

619
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: Make some good memories, Like it doesn't have to because

620
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: I'm in New York now, so it's like I don't

621
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 1: want to have to just fly down for the emergency.

622
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 1: And the last memories I have of him are being

623
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: really sick. And you know, what are you and Beyonce

624
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: do if you're just like dad and Beyonce, What do

625
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: you in so Lauge? What do you guys?

626
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 2: Do you just hang out at the house? Nothing? Nothing,

627
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 2: you know, elaborate, just simple things that normal people do,

628
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 2: you know, just hang out and have fun and talk

629
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 2: and laugh and eat.

630
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: Do they ask you? Do you ask them to fix

631
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: things on your phone? Like my dad does all the time?

632
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: What are you like?

633
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 2: I'm not why. I don't normally. I know my bones

634
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 2: pretty much fixed by the time I get to them.

635
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: Do you send them a lot of YouTube links about

636
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:47,720
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories?

637
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 2: No, we text a lot. We text a lot. I

638
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 2: don't send them any negativity. It's all positive stuff. I

639
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 2: don't out that much about the industry. Just the other

640
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 2: day Beyonce called me for my opinion on a business matter.

641
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 2: But we don't do a lot of that. It's more

642
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 2: just dad stuff. How are you health wise? I'm asking

643
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 2: her and she's asking me, and how is life? We

644
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 2: don't get into the business conversation hardly at all.

645
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: How long did that transition take? Was it difficult? I

646
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: imagine it might have been.

647
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 2: Well, it always is difficult. But the wonderful thing is

648
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: Beyonce never got another manager after me and I hope

649
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 2: that is because I prepared her for the industry that

650
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 2: she didn't need another manager. I hope that I prepared

651
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 2: her to be fourth generation because I'm third generation entrepreneur,

652
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 2: and I'm very proud of These are the things that

653
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 2: consumers and fans and they don't really think through and

654
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 2: understand it because most people would have gotten another manager.

655
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 2: She did. She started a company. How about that?

656
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: And do you think, oh, go ahead, No, I'm.

657
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 2: Just so proud I am of that's good to see.

658
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,439
Speaker 1: How proud I mean. I don't even obviously I don't

659
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: know her, but I have. I have been led to

660
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: believe that you don't have like a lot of legitimacy

661
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: until you have an agent or a manager in that

662
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: And I mentioned to you, I do negotiation coaching. I

663
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: just had a manager, I'm sorry, an agent and I

664
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: and who hadn't been responding for days and days, and

665
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: I'm doing the conversation, and I'm like, why do I

666
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: think I need this? I don't. Actually, it's very empowering

667
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: when you start to trust yourself to handle a conversation

668
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: and trust in your own and so I feel like

669
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 1: it's on doubt, it's on it's you know without doubt

670
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: that the reason, you know, Beyonce was able to start

671
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: her own company and move forward with that confidence was

672
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: because at some point you must have instilled in her

673
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: a lot of knowledge where she felt like, I got this.

674
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: I have been to the mister Knowles School of Business

675
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: and Entertainment business And how does that make you feel?

676
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, I said, it's a beautiful, wonderful filling. And

677
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 2: the same with Solange. I mean, so I just don't

678
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 2: have a manager. She runs her own company. They grew

679
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 2: up like I grew up. I grew up with parents

680
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 2: that were entrepreneurs. You know, in the summers in Alabama,

681
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 2: you go down to your grandparents, and my grandfather on

682
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 2: three hundred acres of land and would lease out some

683
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 2: of that land to the paper mill. And he was

684
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:02,919
Speaker 2: a farmer. Just to come Celtic. My grandfather with lis

685
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 2: out one hundred acres of land, get paid for it,

686
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 2: and then go behind them and farm. In other words,

687
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 2: they paid him so that he could bar and then

688
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 2: he was a regional moonshine distributor. Thus, Sir Davis, that's

689
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 2: my grandfather.

690
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, how how does that feel?

691
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 2: So what I'm saying is is that we've all lived

692
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 2: in an entrepreneurial environment. Third generation, myself, fourth generation. Now,

693
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: my grandson Jules starts out a top model. He's done

694
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 2: versace everybody. He runs his own business with his mom,

695
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 2: and one day she would give him his wings and

696
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 2: he'll flop out of the legacy of our film.

697
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: I mean the generation. I won't be long before Blue

698
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: Ivy has I mean, does she already have an LLC?

699
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: I'd be surprised if not. She got song credits and

700
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: Grammy's right, yeah, what Yeah, I got to ask you,

701
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: as a granddaddy, like, what's it like? What's that relationship

702
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: like with Blue and the little ones?

703
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 2: People get that wrong. First of all, I'm a guy

704
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 2: and guy, and when kids are two, three, four, most

705
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 2: guys aren't as a grandparent, not not as a parent,

706
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 2: but as a grandparent. With the girls, they don't have

707
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 2: the same kind of relationship. With the boys. We throw

708
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 2: them against the wall and throw throw balls and and

709
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 2: and so it's it's a different relationship when they're young.

710
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 2: I have a twenty year old grandson. People forget that

711
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 2: I don't know their jewels. But then my other kids

712
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 2: are twelve and younger, so who would I gravit take more.

713
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 2: It would be the sweeny or old grandson. That's just normal.

714
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 2: And if the other kids get older, then we have

715
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 2: more to share together. It's only one of me, so

716
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 2: I can't spread all of me and be a great

717
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 2: husband and and you know, so I have to you know,

718
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 2: you have to parcel out how much time you can't? No,

719
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:35,720
Speaker 2: I mean, love doesn't go away, but the relationship is different.

720
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 2: And I'm just real about it. You know, people like, uh, Opal,

721
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 2: she's a good she's a gonna do teenage. She don't

722
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 2: want to talk to anybody that's grandpa.

723
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: You don't keep some Moather's Originals caramels in your pocket.

724
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: That's just so funny. I mean that's the real shit

725
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 1: that I love is, you know, the awkwardness of being

726
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: a grandparent and like it's like, what do we do

727
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: with these little kids? But when you go, what are

728
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: you bringing a toy? Is she into Bluie? Are they

729
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:05,240
Speaker 1: into Peppa Pig?

730
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 2: So this is a beautiful thing about media. I do

731
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 2: media training, and nobody puts a gun up to your

732
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 2: head and say you have to answer questions. I'd rather

733
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 2: get off the grandkids conversation that's not.

734
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: Oh my God, of course Jesus. So I'm sorry, No,

735
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: he's that Gune. My heart dropped. I'm like, what, oh no,

736
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: that's that's perfectly fine. Well, you mentioned health and I

737
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: know that you have this. You have a really important

738
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 1: and close to you partnership with twenty three and meters,

739
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 1: and you have been very vocal about your experience as

740
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,959
Speaker 1: a cancer survivor. So what would you like to say

741
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: about about that initiative and how people can learn more

742
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 1: about that?

743
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 2: Well, thank you for bringing it up, because that's dear

744
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 2: and important to me.

745
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: I h.

746
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 2: Five years ago, I had a sag white shoes, sheet

747
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 2: of paper and a red pin and tittens dots on

748
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 2: a white sheet of paper. That's one night when I

749
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 2: took my T shirt off, That's what I saw and

750
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 2: I didn't think anything of it, Mandy. And then the

751
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 2: next day, same thing, and I asked my wife. I

752
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 2: was like, did you buy new T shirts? What are

753
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,240
Speaker 2: these dots on my T shirt? She said, that's interesting,

754
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 2: interesting because on your side of the bed there was

755
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 2: these drops of blood and let me go back song.

756
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 2: In nineteen eighty I got a promotion to the medical

757
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 2: division of Xerox. When we think of Xerox, you think

758
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 2: of copiers. But they were leading modality for breast cancer

759
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 2: and zero radiography, and I was fortunate to be their

760
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 2: number one sales rep in the world. I'm sure that

761
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 2: doesn't surprise you that I would be their number one

762
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 2: sales rep in the world. And we trained on male

763
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 2: breast cancer, so I knew some of the most important

764
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 2: signs in that discharge. And I called my physician. He

765
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 2: had never had a man asked for a mammogram. And

766
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 2: you know, only two percent of men are diagnosed worldwide.

767
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 2: That's a twenty two thousand men a year diagnosed with

768
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 2: male breast cancer. And I had surgery a whole bit.

769
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 2: And then I took a test for genetics and found

770
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 2: out that I had a genetic variance or you can

771
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 2: call it a mutation, which means for men with cancer,

772
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 2: higher risks, not that you're gonna get it, higher rest

773
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 2: of male breast cancer, prostate cancer, the number one killer

774
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 2: of black men, and creatic cancer, short life expectancy with that,

775
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 2: melanoma for women, express cancer, and ovarian cancer. And after

776
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 2: that point I had I made a lifestyle change because

777
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 2: I knew if I didn't that I would be at

778
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 2: higher risks, and I now I also sold MRI units

779
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 2: first Black in America to sell MRI and CT scatterers.

780
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 2: And so I get an MRI every year of my

781
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:33,439
Speaker 2: prostate of my pancres, I constantly be three months get

782
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 2: a blood test so I could look at my numbers

783
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:40,720
Speaker 2: with my prostate, and I annually get a mammogram because

784
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 2: I have information and I have knowledge and I have data.

785
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:49,240
Speaker 2: I've lost about twenty five pounds. I have another fifteen

786
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 2: to go because unfortunately cancer hard to disease, love obesity,

787
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 2: and so that was very word to me to live.

788
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:06,919
Speaker 2: So I'm losing weight, change my diet. I walked two

789
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 2: miles every other day. I do all the things with

790
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 2: a positive spirit. And that's why I joined twenty three

791
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 2: a meter. Because young people, those of you that are

792
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 2: listening and viewing in you have an opportunity to get

793
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 2: a snapshot of your health right now by a simple

794
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 2: Salava test. Who wouldn't want to do that? Who wouldn't

795
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 2: want to get a snapshot of their life when it

796
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 2: could be at fifty or sixty if you live to that,

797
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 2: And then now you have the information and knowledge, and

798
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 2: now you can share that with your health professionals, and

799
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 2: I since nineteen eighty was talking to women about the

800
00:51:56,080 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 2: importance of early detection and getting a mammoground. Then you

801
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 2: can go a step even further and get a genetic test.

802
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:09,280
Speaker 2: So that's why I'm so excited about being a global

803
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 2: brand ambassador for twenty three. I mean not on the

804
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 2: ancestry side. Yes, we do that, but the company is

805
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 2: transitioning back to why it was formed. Twenty three is

806
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 2: twenty three chromosomes X and Y. We have twenty three each.

807
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 2: The company was never named for ancestry. That just was

808
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,879
Speaker 2: too all people wanted to know who they where did

809
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 2: they come from? Per Nigerian near at, But that was

810
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 2: never the intent.

811
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: Do you need to get a new test or do

812
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: you do you just send in a new sample to

813
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: get this additional info about you like to the you know,

814
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:47,280
Speaker 1: so you're.

815
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 2: Talking one time. It's a one time thing.

816
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: I've done it before, like ten years ago. I think

817
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 1: I got my.

818
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 2: God ago that was ancestry.

819
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: So I've got to do a new sample, but just.

820
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 2: One medical for the medical.

821
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: Okay, gosh, okay man. Knowledge is power.

822
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 2: But said that, I'm glad you said that because I

823
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 2: didn't want people to not differentiate that there's a medical

824
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 2: side of twenty three and meters and then there's an

825
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 2: ancestry side, and you can get both. There's also a

826
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 2: program that you can get both, and you can get

827
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 2: cardiovascular for stroke, Alzheimer's heart disease. Medicine is changing.

828
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: Now does it get overwhelming? Sometimes? Though? Having all that knowledge,

829
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: sometimes it's like, oh, man, I already deal with anxiety.

830
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 2: And you know it's just the opposite for me.

831
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: It calms you down. Yeah, I mean, I can.

832
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 2: Look at my by knowledge. So, Mandy, we just in

833
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 2: the last three minutes had the opportunity to save lives.

834
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 2: In the first thirty minutes, we didn't have an opportunity

835
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 2: to save lives. Three minutes, we had an opportunity to

836
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 2: save lives. To me, that's way more important than the

837
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 2: first thirty minutes.

838
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: Uh, well, who knows. I mean, I think well one

839
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: I was. You know, that kind of work is so important,

840
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: like talking about my dad, and I have been very

841
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: open with the BA fam that's what I call our

842
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: audience about my dad's journey, because before he had gotten sick,

843
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: I had no idea how prolific kidney disease, high blood pressure,

844
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: diabetes had been in my in my family and to

845
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: find out, and I've shared with our audience, you know

846
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:40,479
Speaker 1: how four out of my dad's six siblings have ended

847
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 1: up in and stage renal failure and my grandpa just

848
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: passed away from kidney cancer last year. So I think

849
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,800
Speaker 1: the work that you're doing is extraordinarily important to this audience,

850
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: and it's it definitely is in line with the transparency and.

851
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:59,240
Speaker 2: That you get a genetic health genetic text.

852
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: Hm hmm, yeah, I mean yeah, I absolutely, yeah, it's

853
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 1: something that I'm definitely going to consider. I think that

854
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: for me, just seeing the proof in my family's history

855
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: and like, you know what's interesting. And I don't know

856
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 1: if you had this experience too, but there wasn't a

857
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: lot of chatter like I think it's great that you're

858
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: actually open about it, but in my family, there was

859
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 1: this like there no one was really outwardly speaking about it.

860
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: You know, it was sort of like an open secret,

861
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: I guess in a way, and no one was like

862
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 1: connecting the dots and saying like we all need to

863
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 1: be like hyper vigilant and hyper aware of any of

864
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: these warning signs.

865
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 2: Did you can already be hyper village and hyper aware

866
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 2: eye technology, and that's getting a diagnostic test a mammoground

867
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 2: or getting a genetic test. That's the only way you

868
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 2: really are doing it the right way. To have the

869
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 2: conversation that, yeah, three of my though in my family,

870
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:12,959
Speaker 2: four of my five dad's brothers die to prostate. Well,

871
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 2: that's great, and that I know it put me at risk,

872
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 2: but I rather know genetically. Am I at rits the

873
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 2: other way, I'm just having a conversation that I'm at

874
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 2: ritz The other one, you get.

875
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: Like a do you get a medical because the thing

876
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: is like information is knowledge. But then I don't want

877
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 1: to look at these results in a vacuum. I'd rather

878
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 1: because that's what happens when you know, you go to

879
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: the doctor now and I get my blood results and

880
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: it's like, oh my god, I'm going to start googling things.

881
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 1: Then I get really I thought I had pre diabetes.

882
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: Turns out I didn't because I went on and so

883
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: it's like, how do they offer them the side by side,

884
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: Like let's have a medical doctor go through these results

885
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: with you so you can like interpret them.

886
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 2: They do. There's there's oh good, Okay, I have different

887
00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:01,760
Speaker 2: tiers and the final the highest tiers called total health.

888
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 2: And with total health you get blood work as well

889
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 2: as a salava sample and the doctor will call you

890
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 2: and go over all of the results.

891
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: No okay.

892
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,439
Speaker 2: On the one of the lower tiers, you get back

893
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 2: the information uh you know, Vilia certified letter and then

894
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 2: you're probably better off sharing it with your health professional.

895
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 2: So it's two tiers. But the higher tiers, total health,

896
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 2: you do get a conversation with a physician.

897
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: And this is something that folks can find out at

898
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: twenty three meter dot com. Sure, yes, no, I mean

899
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: for me, I'm just like, yeah, b a fan. We talk,

900
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: we talk a lot about health. And it's a shame

901
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: you didn't get meet my co host Tiffany, but we

902
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 1: talk a lot about health, and for me, it's always

903
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: like it's that in conjunction with like actually having like

904
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: a general practitioner and having a medical doctor to help

905
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: interpret that, because yeah, it can beg Yeah, well, I

906
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: was gonna say thank you so much, and I wish

907
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: you are really healthy. I'm glad that. I'm glad to

908
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: hear that the lifestyle changes you're making are working for

909
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: you and you seem very well. I know black don't crack,

910
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: but it takes more than that to keep us healthy.

911
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 2: Rhymes.

912
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: You know, black don't crack.

913
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 2: It takes more than that.

914
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: Oh, it takes more. Okay, I got.

915
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 2: Bar I put that in a song.

916
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 1: Lord, apparently I need to.

917
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 2: Crack. It takes more than that.

918
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: Let me know if you want to put me on

919
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: a credit on the song. I don't know, let me know.

920
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: I'll get my own little survivor piggy bank. I'm working

921
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: on it. Ambition. It'll be the Brown Ambition IP. But amen,

922
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 1: Brown Ambition. Thank you so much, mister Knowles. I hope

923
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: that you enjoyed joining us at the Brown Ambition Podcast

924
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: and I wish you the best of luck.

925
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much, Mandy, And can I give

926
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 2: a shout out if you want to book me to speak,

927
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 2: go to Matthewnoles dot com.

928
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you very much. And I'm sure you also

929
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 1: can find out more and we'll post a link to

930
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 1: that in the show notes. B a fan as well

931
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: as a link to twenty three and me so you

932
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: can learn more about that see how you can get

933
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 1: your results. Well, thank you, all right, I'll spit into

934
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 1: a tube. You got me, I'll do. We'll see what

935
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: I got going on in here.

936
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 2: I hope. So it's important. Thank you, having a wonderful day.

937
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 2: I don't know your your dad, dad, but tell them

938
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 2: I say that hello.

939
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: I will do that.