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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace on Serious x M Triumph Channel one thirty two.

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Speaker 1: There was chilling court testimony today about the death of

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Speaker 1: Holly Bobo, so emotional that her mother nearly collapsed on

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Speaker 1: the witness stand. The Bobo family had to relive in

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Speaker 1: court today that painful day in two thousand and eleven

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Speaker 1: when Holly disappeared from her home the man charged in

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Speaker 1: Holly Bobo's murder. He was a man who lived in

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Speaker 1: a dark world of drugs. The defense, however, says Adams

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Speaker 1: is not guilty that the prosecutors needed someone to blame

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Speaker 1: for the most heartbreaking testimony came from Karen Bobo, Holly's mother.

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Speaker 1: The panic, in fact, in Karen Bobo's voice clearly audible

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Speaker 1: in the call okay, they're I remember distinctly when Holly

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Speaker 1: Bobo missing. We covered it night after night after night,

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Speaker 1: trying to help find her. Beautiful, beautiful young girl. Holly Bobo,

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Speaker 1: the cousin of country music star Whitney Duncan, disappeared without

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Speaker 1: a trace, seemingly, but then her skull was found in

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Speaker 1: the woods three years later. We had all hoped for

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Speaker 1: a different outcome. I remember it vividly because the first

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Speaker 1: thing I heard was Holly Bobo has been found, and

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Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it that after three years of us

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Speaker 1: out there, then within a second it was clarified her

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Speaker 1: skull was found. And now the trial in the murder

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Speaker 1: about a meth addic defendant who bragged bragged about raping

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Speaker 1: dumping her body in the woods. I Meancy Grace, this

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Speaker 1: is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. First,

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Speaker 1: listen to what the prosecution says in opening statement. Too

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Speaker 1: and he almost got away. He bragged ya right. I

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Speaker 1: couldn't have pet it a prettier fitch. It was fun.

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Speaker 1: The world may never know what happened, ah boh, I

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Speaker 1: couldn't have picked a prettier bitch. It was fun. The

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Speaker 1: world may never know what happened. The Holly Boa, the

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Speaker 1: first trial of one of Holly Bobo's accused killers, has

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Speaker 1: finally begun after the young nurse goes missing and those

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Speaker 1: I don't really only understand the connection between these guys

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Speaker 1: How did these guys find her? Joining me Shane Deeter

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Speaker 1: latest and from l A. Dr Bethany Marshall renowned psychoanalyst

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Speaker 1: joining us as well to Shane Dieter. Shane, let's start

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Speaker 1: at the beginning. You and I both recall when Holly

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Speaker 1: went missing. Tell me what happened. She was getting ready

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Speaker 1: in Memphis, Shane, So she was at nursing school when

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Speaker 1: for clarifying that. So she gets in her car about

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Speaker 1: he sees blood. Oh, my stars, the survivor guilt. You

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Speaker 1: So he goes back to sleep, becomes in the garage,

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Speaker 1: Otherwise he wouldn't have seen her. Now, the more very

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Speaker 1: me in here, hold on, we actually have procured testimony

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Speaker 1: that you were living up that bline begin into it, right,

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Speaker 1: just below where they were knelt down. Shane Deeter jump in.

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Speaker 1: Then at one point when this was all going down,

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Speaker 1: sights for a long long time, Nancy, That's what I

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Speaker 1: Immunity for three people, including Densmore, Alexander and kills Her.

428
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: Federal authorities have also asked for immunity for Denzer. Now

429
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: we know many of them have extensive criminal backgrounds, and

430
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: it's hard to believe that you walk out your door

431
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: in the morning, seven thirty in the morning, on the

432
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: way to school and you're gone. It's over. Now we

433
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: have constructed somewhat of a timeline, and it goes like this.

434
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: Around seven forty a m a neighbor of the Bobo's

435
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: walks out to go to his construction job and he

436
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: hears a scream from the Bobo's house, tells his mother

437
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: and goes to work. Seven forty five, the neighbor's mom

438
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: calls Karen Bobo at work and tells a school's secretary

439
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: to relay the message. This is the time Hollywood normally

440
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: leaves around seven to get to school. At seven fifty five,

441
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: her nursing school seven fifty, a barking dog wakes up

442
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: Clint Bobo. He notices his sister's car still in the

443
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: driveway and calls his mom's cell at school. The mom

444
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: doesn't have the phone with her, but gets the message

445
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: from the secretary, phones home, talks to the son, who

446
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: tells her Holly's car still there. It's still just seven

447
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: a m. Karen Bobo calls. She reaches the wrong emergency dispatcher,

448
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: as Shane Dieterrich just told us. Clint Bobo looks out

449
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: the window sees a man dressed in camo walking with

450
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: his sister toward the woods. Clint calls his sister's phone

451
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: and gets the voicemail. Calls her boyfriend and gets the voicemail.

452
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: Still before a. Karen calls the house again. Her son

453
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: tells what he saw. She says, that's not the boyfriend.

454
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: Call nine one one, Karen bow Boat when she gotta

455
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: hold up Clint bow Boat. She told Clint that it

456
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: wasn't Holly's boyfriend, and to take a gun, go out

457
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: there and shoot him. Go shoot him. And by the

458
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: time Clint got there, I mean got out with the gun. Uh,

459
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: he couldn't see him. The brother gets a loaded pistol

460
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: and walks out the back door at the mom's request.

461
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: He sees a puddle of blood near his sister's car.

462
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: His neighbor's mother pulls up in the driveway to say

463
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: screams were heard fifteen minutes before Clint calls nine one one.

464
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: That's how fast nine one one was called. They were

465
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: called within fifteen twenty minutes. A little before eight ten

466
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: a m. The first deputy from Decatur County arrives at

467
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: the house. Police come to believe Holly was abducted as

468
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: she tried to get in her car to drive to

469
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: nursing school. She has never seen again. Search efforts are

470
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: centered in an area where authorities find a lunch box.

471
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: I remember when this happened. A lunch box was found

472
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: on Bible Hill Road. The port little thing was still

473
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: clutching her lunch box to take to school. Volunteers looked

474
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: through wooded areas hoping to find anything. They try to

475
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: find things that may have come from her purse. Nothing

476
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: is found, Prayer vigils are are conducted. T b I

477
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: agents think they find her pink purse which she was carrying.

478
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: Then Kieren Bobo sees the purse and confirms it's not Holly's.

479
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: Then Fab the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation execute the search

480
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: warrant at the home of Zachary Adams, fifteen minutes from

481
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: the Bobo home. They say it's too early to announce suspects.

482
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: The tb I that holds a news conference about the

483
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: Bobo case and announced Adams has been indicted on especially

484
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: aggravated kidnapping and first degree murder, But what is the evidence?

485
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: Brothers Jeffrey and Mark are charged with tempering with evidence.

486
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: Jason Autry is indicted in kidnapping and murder. A guy

487
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: named Matt Stowe is elected as the new d A.

488
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: The case moves forward. Two men in September looking for

489
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: Jen saying, find human remains four hundred yards north in

490
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: the woods. They say, and we don't know why that.

491
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: They're very disturbed by evidence they find in a bucket.

492
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: Investigators confirm the partial remains our Holly Bobo. Now we

493
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: are at trial. And we are headed to the courtroom

494
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: to bring you the latest. Psychoanalyst Dr Bethany Marshall and

495
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: also Shane Deeter w A T in Memphis. We're on

496
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:24,240
Speaker 1: it at two Wichita, the body of a missing three

497
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: year old boy has just been found encased in cement.

498
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: Just been found and tentatively identified as little Evan Brewer.

499
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: His grandfather served two terms as the mayor of Wichita. Yes,

500
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: his grandfather served two terms as mayor of Wichita. And

501
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 1: what is so upsetting to me as there has been

502
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: a long history of abuse that people knew about. Joining

503
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: me right now. Investigative reporter Jessica McMaster with k s

504
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,240
Speaker 1: h B TV forty one Action News on the story,

505
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: along with renowned forensics expert Karen Smith. Jessica, what happened?

506
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: You know? Got word over the weekend that a three

507
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: year old boy who had been missing was found encased

508
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: in concrete. Little was known obviously at that time. That

509
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: as the details came out, UM, it turns out that

510
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: police in Wichita had been looking for mom, been looking

511
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 1: for this little boy for quite some time, couldn't find them. Um.

512
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: And then we recently put in a request some for

513
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: some court records and found that this boy's biological father

514
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: had concerned that this little boy had been being abused

515
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: for a long time. I was trying to save this

516
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: little boy. So it's just incredibly heartbreaking, you know, for

517
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: this whole family, Whichita police lit that. Jeff Gilmore says

518
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: investigators were waiting on the results of d n A

519
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: test before making that positive I d I just don't

520
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,720
Speaker 1: understand how it got to this point when people knew,

521
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: people knew that abuse was going on. Kansas welfare officials

522
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: had investigative reports Evan was being abused this year. Earlier

523
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: this year, in fact, a July, a protection from abuse

524
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: order was issued, Okay on the boy's behalf. I don't

525
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: understand how they knew this was happening, Jessica McMaster. But

526
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: the child was murdered. Anyway, what do we know right now?

527
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: We we really need this little boy's record from Department

528
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: of you know, the Social Services department, But of course

529
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: we're not going to get those because one, like you mentioned,

530
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: he hasn't been officially identified and there's currently an ongoing investigation.

531
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 1: And so this is a lot like what we saw

532
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 1: with Adrian Joe. It takes us to that beginning part

533
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 1: where we knew who he was. We knew he was found,

534
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 1: but not officially identified, and it was a waiting game

535
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: of those records. But what we do know is that

536
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: this dad filed several protection from abuse orders against the

537
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: little boy's mother and her living boyfriend, and in those orders,

538
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: the father reported that a witness told him that that

539
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: living boyfriend would beat his son to the brink of death.

540
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: The mother, Miranda Miller, and the boyfriend, Stephen Bodine, are

541
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: the ones that we are talking about now. When I

542
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,919
Speaker 1: look at the mother, she looks like any soccer mom

543
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: he had made in the carpool line. A landlord was

544
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: cleaning the house in Wichita, Kansas when he found a

545
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: cement structure and noticed an odor coming from the structure.

546
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: Before the landlord's discovery, Miranda Miller and her live in

547
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: Stephen Bodine, had already been arrested on custody issues. Didn't

548
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: anybody wonder where's the little boy? The lawyer for the

549
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: boy's father, Carlo Brewer, told k w c H, We've

550
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: known the child was missing for months. How did how

551
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: does a child just slip through the cracks when you

552
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: know the child is missing and nobody arrests the mom.

553
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: People know the baby is getting abused and what child

554
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: Welfare just writes another piece of paper? What they do,

555
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 1: you know, turn it into an airplane flight to the

556
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: trash can, another piece of paper as the boy is

557
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: beaten over and over and over. Karen Smith, forensic expert,

558
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: joining me along with Jessica McMaster from k s HBT

559
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: the forty one Action News Entombed and submit. Karen Smith,

560
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: what issues does that present for a crime saying crew,

561
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: we are dealing with a small child encased in a

562
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: concrete structure. There's really no details about what that structure

563
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: might be. Whether it's a wall or a floor, I

564
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: don't know, but you know, you're dealing with a very

565
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:31,760
Speaker 1: small child. You're dealing with a lot of time. So unfortunately,

566
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: DNA is going to have to be used to identify

567
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 1: his remains, and you know, the landlord, for being astute,

568
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 1: thank goodness, reported it to police. Otherwise, you know, God knows,

569
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: the little boy may still have been in there at

570
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: this point. It's going to take a lot of work

571
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: for the pathologist and the DNA experts, but hopefully they

572
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: shouldn't have an answer here in the next from what

573
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: I understand about the next week or so? What do

574
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 1: you mean an answer to what? I mean? Who else?

575
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 1: Could it be? Number one? But they could do a

576
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: if they even bother to take the child to a dentist,

577
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: you can do a dental comparison immediately. So why is

578
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 1: it going to take weeks to get an answer to what?

579
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: Karen Smith? Well, they have to identify him. I mean,

580
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: everybody knows it's it's going to be uh, the child

581
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: that's encased in the concrete. But in order to have

582
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: the investigation progress, they have to make that victim. I

583
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: d first, and you know, a three year old. I

584
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 1: don't know how often a three year old is taken

585
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: to the dentist. I don't have children, so I have

586
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: no idea what kind of records they would have on him.

587
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: And if this mother is that irresponsible to begin with,

588
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,959
Speaker 1: did she even have dental records for this little boy?

589
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: Maybe that's mine so hard on the DNA Well, I

590
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: also know this Jess coming master Um lawyers state that

591
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: Mr Brewer, the father, had already filed a court order

592
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 1: to protect the little boy, his son from bodine back.

593
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: Did you lie? What happened to Jessica, he filed well,

594
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: he actually filed the first order in May um and

595
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: at that point when it was filed, the police said

596
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: during the press conference that this investigation was being led

597
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: by Kansas Department for Children and Families. But then once

598
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: that protection order was filed, police say that they hopped

599
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: on board and they tried to help this father locate

600
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: the sun but that they believed the mother left the

601
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: state with him at some point. They said that they

602
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 1: conducted surveillance on the home, they were watching for her,

603
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: talking to neighbors, and could not locate her. It's not

604
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: clear how they know this, but the lieutenant during that

605
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: press conference also said that at some point in August,

606
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: I believe they became aware that the mom knew that

607
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: they were looking for her and was evading police, and

608
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: so they caught up with her. As you know, at

609
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: the end of August, she wasn't with her child, and

610
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: we're able to arrest her on you know, unrelated charges.

611
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: Carl Brewer has issued the following statement after learning the

612
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: remains found in the cement structure were likely those of

613
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: his taught grandson. Quote, we are devastated by the death

614
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: of our sweet, loving grandson Evan. We cannot begin to

615
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: make sense of this tragedy, but are thankful the suspects

616
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 1: are in custody. We request prayers for our family during

617
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: this time and while the police continue this investigation. We

618
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 1: also know that a Sedgwick County judge issued that protective

619
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 1: order to Boudaine to stay away with the child, whose

620
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: initials are C A B. It's it's clearly him um

621
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: or is there another childhood issue? And he was scheduled

622
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: again to appear September nineteen, so he's heading back to court.

623
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Speaker 1: My question is is this going to be a death

624
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: penalty case? Jessica? What do we know so far? I mean,

625
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: I can't answer that. I don't know what prosecutors, you know,

626
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: what their decisions are going to be, especially again because

627
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: we're just kind of back to square one in the

628
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 1: waiting game and getting more detailed. I'm curious to see

629
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Speaker 1: what that UM search warrant will reveal because I'm sure

630
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: that they collected computers and things like that, UM, and

631
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: so we're we just we need so much more information

632
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: UM before we really know what how they're gonna dry

633
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: this case, and if the mom's involved to UM, you know,

634
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if we want to mention Adrian Jones.

635
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: But again, when you know the little boys remains were

636
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 1: found in a pig pen in two thousand fifteen, when

637
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: that all first evolved, the first person that was arrested

638
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: was his father, and people thought that his step mom. Initially,

639
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: Heather was an innocent battered woman, and then as time

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Speaker 1: went on, we found out she played a much bigger

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Speaker 1: role in that boys that I can give you a

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Speaker 1: little information on the state of the death penalty in Kansas.

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Speaker 1: It is a death penalty state. It was reinstated in

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Speaker 1: following firm and v. Georgia. That was the case that

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Speaker 1: went on the way to the U. S. Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: When a death penalty does go down and said the

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Speaker 1: El Dorado Correctional Facility, and that's in El Dorado, Kansas.

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Speaker 1: This is what I know when people say, was the

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Speaker 1: mother involved? Okay, So either Bodine battered the boy until

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Speaker 1: he was dead or killed him in some other way,

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Speaker 1: and the mother stood violent it happened, or she took

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Speaker 1: part in it. I mean after one beating and then

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Speaker 1: the next and the next, and the next and the next,

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Speaker 1: and people are calling the sheriff and you're trying to

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Speaker 1: get protective orders, and the mother still let's it happened?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they should both be prosecuted for murder one

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Speaker 1: and get the death penalty. I'm just telling you whether

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Speaker 1: they'll ever be put to death, who knows. Who knows

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Speaker 1: they're they're up for parole after what years or so,

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Speaker 1: not saying that that will be granted. But they didn't

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Speaker 1: get the death penalty. And we know what happened to

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Speaker 1: that little boy. It was awful, So why should history

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Speaker 1: repeat itself? I am talking about a taught boy, battered,

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Speaker 1: beaten over and over and over for the living boyfriend

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Speaker 1: Bodine's enjoyment. That child was in a living hell and

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Speaker 1: probably the last thing he saw before he went to

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Speaker 1: his maker was his mother's face standing by. She let

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Speaker 1: it happen, if she didn't have a hand in it herself,

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Speaker 1: a three year old taught I mean, what kind of

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Speaker 1: society are we that we let this happen? There are

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Speaker 1: red tape and orders on a piece of payper That

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Speaker 1: don't mean they're not worth the ink that goes on

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Speaker 1: the paper. Because this boy is dead, the community they're

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Speaker 1: very angry. And if you you know, if you get

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Speaker 1: on social media and you start engaging in a lot

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Speaker 1: of those comments, and a lot of people talk. And

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Speaker 1: that's the one thing that people are talking about is

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Speaker 1: how did this happen again? How are we seeing this again?

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Speaker 1: I think when we talked last time, we spoke to

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Speaker 1: a child psychologist who had a child psychologist on here

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Speaker 1: with us, who said, you know, there are parents who

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Speaker 1: just snapped and it's a one time thing and there

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Speaker 1: really is no history, but it looks like again there

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Speaker 1: might be history with law enforcement, with social services, and

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Speaker 1: so it does make people angry and they do want

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Speaker 1: those answers. And here's the interesting thing, Nancy. The grandfather

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Speaker 1: of this little boy, as you mentioned, was mayor of

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Speaker 1: which ATAP but he's also running for governor of Kansas

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Speaker 1: if he still plans to do that, and I don't

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Speaker 1: know what his plans are at this point. Obviously his

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Speaker 1: family's in mourning Um. But if he does, and say

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Speaker 1: he gets elected and that comes to fruition, he would

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Speaker 1: then oversee that age agency. He would then be looking

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Speaker 1: a lot closer at DCF and that might be what

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Speaker 1: changes that. What I want now is these chi prosecuted

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Speaker 1: from murder. One nothing, nothing short of murder, one will suffice.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Nancy Grace Crime Stories, signing off

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Speaker 1: goodbye friend,