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Speaker 1: Oh do we have a great Thursday show for you.

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Speaker 1: We are live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd wherever

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Speaker 1: you may be and however you may be watching or listening,

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Speaker 1: of your day. Two hours from now, Tom Brady shows

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Speaker 1: up live. An hour from now, Greg Cosel in the house.

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Speaker 1: Bruce Feldman's gonna check in with us as well. A

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Speaker 1: very active, very troubling, dark day Michigan looking for a

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Speaker 1: new football coach, and let's start there. Sharon Moore has

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Speaker 1: been fired. So there's two or three elements to this.

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Speaker 1: Number One is there are certain jobs and maybe it's

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Speaker 1: maybe it's thirty or forty percent of jobs in America.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's more it's not every job, but certain jobs

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Speaker 1: in America. You need an elevated sense of character both

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Speaker 1: personally and professionally. You know, school president, you hope, the church, college,

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Speaker 1: campus jobs. There are certain jobs where you have to

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Speaker 1: have a seriousness about you, in a maturity about you,

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Speaker 1: so you can meet the job. You can meet the program,

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Speaker 1: you can meet the standard. Michigan football is not only

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Speaker 1: a college football job, It's one of America's great public institutions.

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Speaker 1: When I was a kid growing up, to me, Michigan football,

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Speaker 1: this is way pre Brady. I thought it was the

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Speaker 1: best program in America. Like the fight song, the crowd,

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Speaker 1: the games, and Michigan football to me as a kid,

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Speaker 1: wonderful fans, and Charon More to me, I'll be honest

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Speaker 1: with you, he always felt like an interim coach. I

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Speaker 1: just didn't think he was that good of a coach,

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Speaker 3: He didn't have his own identity.

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Speaker 1: Again, I didn't think he was that great of a coach,

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Speaker 1: but he was close to Jim Harbaugh. And my rule

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Speaker 1: has never changed in thirty years in this business. I

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Speaker 1: have a rule in sports and in any business, the

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Speaker 1: greater the employee you're asked to replace Jim Harball, the

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Speaker 1: wider the search has to be. You can't just hand

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Speaker 1: it to a staffer if you're trying to replace Jim Harball.

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Speaker 1: Remember when Bill Belichick left, who they handed to Belichick's

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Speaker 1: favorite assistant, girod Mayo. Disaster. Then they went and this

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Speaker 1: is what Michigan should. Then they went and got Mike Vrabel.

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Speaker 1: And Michigan needs to go after like a Kaitlin de

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Speaker 1: boor don't know if he leave, but that's kind of

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Speaker 1: guy I would go after. So listen, most vice presidents.

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Speaker 1: coach at Michigan. Yeah, that's a big job. That is

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Speaker 1: and he didn't meet it. Secondly, there are reports that

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Speaker 1: It's December eleventh, the Bulls haven't started college football playoffs

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Speaker 1: was right. The Spurs didn't even have seven foot four

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Speaker 1: since Lebron returned, they're twenty six defense. They don't do

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Speaker 1: anything right. Defend the rim, defend the perimeter, defend the point.

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Speaker 1: So this is a team and roster with holes. And

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Speaker 1: what happened last night? What did the Spurs attack, Oh,

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Speaker 1: gritty Austin Reeves. Spurs players who were guarded by Austin

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Speaker 1: Reeves shot an outrageous sixty three and a half percent.

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Speaker 1: Oh wait, that's what the Timberwolves did in the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: attacked Austin Reeves, a really good player, offensively works his

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Speaker 1: They're a fun team. I love watching them. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the crowds go to a Laker game, it's a cool crowd.

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Speaker 1: It's fun. There's a lot of points. Unfortunately, good teams

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Speaker 1: will score more and hopefully this is why it's so

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Speaker 1: encouraging if you're a Laker fan. The owners of the

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Speaker 1: Lakers who have moved off Cody Bellinger, Trey Turner, Manny Machado,

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Speaker 1: Corey Seeger great players, but they go after Mookie and

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Speaker 1: Freddie Freeman and Otani. The standard for the Dodgers isn't

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Speaker 1: keeping a very very excellent player like Corey Seger. It's

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Speaker 1: getting shoe Hey Otani, Freddie Freeman and Mookie Betts everybody

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Speaker 1: loves gritty. Austin Reeves and forty year old Lebron the

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Speaker 1: future of this organization. Two guys, Luca number one, JJ

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Speaker 1: Reddick number two. Everybody else is available to move. The

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Speaker 1: Spurs did last night what the t Wolves did last year.

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Speaker 1: Go after Austin Reeves. That's exactly what they did without Wemby.

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Speaker 1: They got every look they want on it too. Go ahead,

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Speaker 1: be a fanboy, be an influencer. Take cool picks. The

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Speaker 1: a standard. Corey Seeger is replaceable, Otani isn't right, Trey

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Speaker 1: Austin Reeves is a good player. I'd move in five

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Speaker 1: minutes if I could sniff Yannis. Okay, it's not even

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Speaker 1: it's not a discussion. You wear your team jerseys, you

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Speaker 1: take your pictures. JJ Reddick knows when they play the

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Speaker 1: JJ Reddick with some truth.

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Speaker 4: Serum, the things that help you win on the margins.

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Speaker 4: We're just not very good at right now. And you know,

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Speaker 4: we got to ask a little bit more of everybody. Know,

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Speaker 4: we don't crash. You know, we can't. We can't force

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Speaker 4: a lot of turnovers. And if a team shoots well

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Speaker 4: where we're going to be really in trouble.

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Speaker 1: He's telling you what Rich Paul's telling you, what Uncle

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Speaker 1: Colin's telling you. They can't defend. It's not what they are.

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Speaker 1: They have three players that duplicate each other. Luca Lebron

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Speaker 1: and Austin Reeves are really really good. I mean, Lebron's

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Speaker 1: forty one, he's dunking at the rack. Austin Reeves is

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Speaker 1: going to get his points. Luca's better than both easily,

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Speaker 1: but there's too much duplication. They've got to get bigger

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Speaker 1: to protect the rim. They've got to get stronger on

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Speaker 1: the perimeter defensively. I mean, JJ Reddick's telling you, you know,

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Speaker 1: teams hit shots. There's nothing we can do because teams

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Speaker 1: Michigan situation. Again, it's early, the playoffs haven't started.

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Speaker 1: This is where the nil is very valuable and the portal.

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Speaker 1: They've pushed it back to January, meaning if recruits leave

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Speaker 1: at Michigan, you can replace them. Remember, Michigan and Notre

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Speaker 1: Dame have two of the top ten endowments in the country.

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Speaker 1: These are very wealthy schools. This is why the Big Ten,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, now that Indiana's a powerhouse. While the

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Speaker 1: Michigan's going to be fine. I'll root for the person

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Speaker 1: sharonn More, But the Wolverine since I was a kid,

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Speaker 1: So I've heard this all week. You know, Kansas City,

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Speaker 1: they're not rebuilding, they're just retooling, because you know, if you've.

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Speaker 3: Got Read and Mahomes, you're okay.

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Speaker 1: I've been asking every guest this week, rebuild my belief

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Speaker 1: or retool? And the answer I get from people I

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Speaker 1: love at the company, well, it's just a read tool.

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Speaker 1: We got Mahomes, we got Read. Brady left Belichick. You

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Speaker 1: know why, talent regression the roster. Yeah, he didn't like

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Speaker 1: Bill anymore, but he didn't really like Bill ten years earlier.

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Speaker 1: People get tackled in football. They age very very quickly.

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Speaker 1: Kansas City has gone from we don't really need wide receivers.

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Speaker 1: Kelsey and Mahomes will figure it out.

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Speaker 5: Two.

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Speaker 1: We may finish sub five hundred. Andy Reid is sixty seven.

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Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey's going to retire. Chris Jones won't. He'll be expensive,

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Speaker 1: but he's not the player he used to be. George

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Speaker 1: Carloftis is a really good pass rusher, but he's probably

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Speaker 1: a little overpaid. His cap hit much bigger next year.

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Speaker 1: Rashi Rice not dependable, immature, gets banged up. Josh Simmons

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Speaker 1: the left tackle of injury issues, some personal issues ongoing.

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Speaker 3: In life.

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Speaker 1: And in football. You get a dose of reality sometimes.

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Speaker 1: And Kansas City for seven years, got every green light

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Speaker 1: driving to work. They were just winning close, come from behind,

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Speaker 1: they got a green light the entire drive to work

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Speaker 1: for seven years. Now they're stuck in traffic and this

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Speaker 1: roster and they've taken some risks. Josh Simmons was not

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady seven times Super Bowl Champ, Fox Sports twenty

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Speaker 7: We're going to start on the right side of the

431
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Speaker 7: field with the first receiver, second receiver, and we're just

432
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Speaker 7: going to sweep the board and come across.

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Speaker 5: And the problem is you can't.

434
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Speaker 7: You never develop real autonomy at quarterback to get your

435
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Speaker 7: team in the best play. You essentially become a robot

436
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Speaker 7: for the coach. So the teams that I think have

437
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Speaker 7: a great advantage going forward are the ones with the

438
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Speaker 7: older quarterbacks who the coaches do give them the autonomy

439
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Speaker 7: to say, Okay, whatever you see out there, you can

440
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Speaker 7: change the play, you can get us in the right play.

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Speaker 5: We trust you.

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Speaker 7: And therefore, in big moments, we're going to put the

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Speaker 7: ball in your hands. And I think that's the best

444
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Speaker 7: style of play for sustained success in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: So this week, And you know, I was never going

446
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Speaker 1: to be two hundred and fifty pounds and ripped. I

447
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Speaker 1: have a genetic limitation, and I know that although I

448
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Speaker 1: once dump a basketball tall. No video surface, but I

449
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Speaker 1: once did.

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Speaker 5: But the point is, I'll take your word for it.

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Speaker 3: Everybody has to. So I put up a screen.

452
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Speaker 1: I said, I want everybody to look at these quarterbacks

453
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Speaker 1: who are either leading in the MVP race, lead their division,

454
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Speaker 1: or their name is Joe Burrow. And here's the graphic

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Speaker 1: sixty six six six six five six five six four

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Speaker 1: sixty four sixty three sixty three. I like Jalen Hurts.

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Speaker 1: I like Tua, but Tom, you can't tell me. I

458
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Speaker 1: have stood next to you. I'm tall. I look up

459
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Speaker 1: at you. It's six and a half. Tom Brady. I'm

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Speaker 1: just saying I don't think your hoist on as many trophies.

461
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Speaker 1: So when people say what's wrong with Jalen Hurts says, folks,

462
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Speaker 1: you can't see as much.

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Speaker 3: That's not a criticism, right.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a great point, and it's if you just

465
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Speaker 7: look at the history of quarterbacks in the NFL, how

466
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Speaker 7: many below six foot two and under have had, you know,

467
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Speaker 7: sustained successor up there in passing yardage. It's just hard

468
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Speaker 7: because you've got to see over at least the center,

469
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Speaker 7: who is typically the shortest guy on the field, because

470
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Speaker 7: he's standing right in front of you, and he opens

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Speaker 7: up the entire middle part of the field. So it's

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Speaker 7: easy if you're not as tall to throw to the

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Speaker 7: perimeter of the field because there's more vision out there.

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Speaker 7: You're only probably working through a tackle. But when you're

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Speaker 7: looking over the middle of the field, let's say between

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Speaker 7: the hashes, you're looking between the right guard, the center.

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Speaker 5: And the left guard.

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Speaker 7: You've got to have the height to see over the

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Speaker 7: top of people, and then the delivery has to be

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Speaker 7: over the top of the offensive lineman and the defensive linemen.

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Speaker 7: And those guys are big guys. Those guys aren't five

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Speaker 7: foot ten, those guys are six foot two, six foot three,

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Speaker 7: So you've got to have the arm angle to get

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Speaker 7: the ball over them, and that opens up the middle part.

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Speaker 5: Of the field.

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Speaker 7: So what I see with a lot of guys who

487
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Speaker 7: aren't as tall they throw the ball more to the

488
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Speaker 7: perimeter of the field.

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Speaker 5: It's harder to throw the ball.

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Speaker 7: To the perimeter of the field because the ball has

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Speaker 7: a longer distance to go and you don't get as

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Speaker 7: much run after catch if you're running across the field

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Speaker 7: and a short, shallow route over the middle. If you

494
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Speaker 7: catch it, you've got twenty five yards from the point

495
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Speaker 7: you catch it in the middle to turn the ball

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Speaker 7: up the sideline, where you can gain a lot of

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Speaker 7: yards after catch. So I just I think there's I'm

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Speaker 7: not saying you can't be successful if you're under six

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Speaker 7: foot two, it's just the chance of being successful is less.

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Speaker 7: And yes, there are anomalies. I think Drew Brees is

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Speaker 7: one of them. Drew Brees played very tall. You standing

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Speaker 7: up in the pocket a lot of times, he was

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Speaker 7: up on the balls of his feet. He had a

504
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Speaker 7: very high release, the ball came out very quickly, so

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Speaker 7: he found a way to But he also worked at

506
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Speaker 7: it extremely hard for a long time in order to make.

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Speaker 5: Those improvements as well.

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Speaker 7: And I don't think you can discount the fact that

509
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Speaker 7: if you want to be successful in the NFL, you

510
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Speaker 7: better have the drive and determination every day of your life.

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Speaker 7: In season and offseason. To try to go out and

512
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Speaker 7: be the best in the world. You got to be

513
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Speaker 7: brushing your teeth in the morning, thinking about your throwing mechanics,

514
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Speaker 7: thinking about the calls your coach is going to make

515
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Speaker 7: on third down, and the anticipation you need to throw

516
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Speaker 7: in a particular game.

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Speaker 5: This has to be your life.

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Speaker 7: It has to be so important that you're thinking about

519
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Speaker 7: it all day, every day, certainly during the season.

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Speaker 3: So I had picked before the season. Sometimes I get lucky.

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Speaker 1: I said, the team that's going to double their win

522
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Speaker 1: total and make the playoffs that you think is bad

523
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Speaker 1: as New England. I did not think Drake may would

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Speaker 1: be this good this early. What was the first thing

525
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Speaker 1: you saw with Drake? First thing you saw you played

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Speaker 1: the position and you went, oh, okay, that's beyond franchise.

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Speaker 1: That's because I think the NFL historically gives you a

528
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Speaker 1: franchise quarterback every year to the draft, but every five

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Speaker 1: years you.

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Speaker 3: Get a U. You get them Montana. That's rare.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just a TV viewer. What did you

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Speaker 1: see that I couldn't spot early with this ascension?

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Speaker 7: Well, some of it is, you know, Josh McDaniel is

534
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Speaker 7: still one of my great friends. I mean, I've known

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Speaker 7: him for twenty five years, and he just talks about

536
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Speaker 7: his work ethic, his willingness to get better and improve

537
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Speaker 7: week in.

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Speaker 5: And week out.

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Speaker 7: He's a sponge for information and that's more important to

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Speaker 7: me than what I see on the film because when

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Speaker 7: I hear that, I know that he's doing the thing

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Speaker 7: that takes during the week that are going to show

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Speaker 7: up consistently on the field. Other people, other coaches with

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Speaker 7: other teams will say their quarterback, as you know, he's

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Speaker 7: the first one out.

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Speaker 5: Of the building.

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Speaker 7: You know, he's he's he doesn't study, he does never

548
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Speaker 7: opens his iPad. I hear that from time to time

549
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Speaker 7: and I go, okay, well I could see why on

550
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Speaker 7: the film. Well, that guy's not being successful. So with Drake,

551
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Speaker 7: he has the physical ability, he has the size, but

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Speaker 7: I think in terms of physical skill set, his downfield

553
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Speaker 7: passing ability is awesome. So you know, Josh McDaniels has

554
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Speaker 7: done incredible job this year for the Patriots. Drake is

555
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Speaker 7: running the same system that I was in. I know

556
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Speaker 7: how good that system is for quarterbacks. How Josh does

557
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Speaker 7: teach these young quarterbacks all the different reasons why he's

558
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Speaker 7: doing what he's doing. Why we're trying to beat coverage

559
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Speaker 7: or how we're gonna protect to give you the best

560
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Speaker 7: chance to be successful. So he's in a great system

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Speaker 7: to be successful. Rabel is focusing on the defense, as

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Speaker 7: he should be. Josh, focus on the offense. That offense

563
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Speaker 7: just like in the early two thousands. The offense is

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Speaker 7: carrying the defense, just like in Rabel's defense of the

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Speaker 7: days when I was a young second year quarterback in

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Speaker 7: New England.

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Speaker 5: That's the way it goes.

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Speaker 1: So we've had this argument this week. Everybody is telling me.

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Speaker 1: They say, well, the Chiefs are just a little retool.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they've got Maholmes and they've got Andy Reid.

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Speaker 1: And I said, time out, name their ten best players.

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Speaker 1: I said, if you name the Seahawks, you get down

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Speaker 1: to eight and you're like, damn, guys, that guy's the

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Speaker 1: third best guy in the league of his position. You

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Speaker 1: do the Rams ten best players, I'm like, man, Jared

576
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Speaker 1: versus three, he could be there.

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Speaker 3: You get to the Chiefs ten best.

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Speaker 1: I'm not talking legacy and resume, and I'm saying I

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Speaker 1: think it's better than Buffalo's roster that I don't love.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit more of a rebuild.

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Speaker 1: You know, once you pay you took pay cuts for

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Speaker 1: a lot of the stuff, you start paying fifty five

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Speaker 1: fifty eight for a quarterback. I think it's a bit

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Speaker 1: more of a rebuild in Kansas City. Am I wrong?

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Speaker 7: It'll be interesting to see what happens. You know, we'll

586
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Speaker 7: see how the season plays out. But they have Andy Reid,

587
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Speaker 7: they have Patrick Mahomes, they have Steve Spagnolo, bred Veitch

588
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Speaker 7: Clark Hunt. They got the foundations for success in Kansas City,

589
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Speaker 7: so I know it's been not a typical year for them.

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Speaker 7: I'm never counting them out until they're mathematically eliminated. I

591
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Speaker 7: think when you have Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid and

592
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Speaker 7: you're competing against them, you should worry about them.

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Speaker 5: They are battle tested.

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Speaker 7: They have proven that there' as competitive as anybody in

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Speaker 7: the league. So there's always chances for every team. They're

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Speaker 7: going to have to fix things at the end of

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Speaker 7: every season. Every team's gonna have to fix things at

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Speaker 7: the end of every season. But when you have those

599
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Speaker 7: two pieces in place, Read and Mahomes, I think everything

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Speaker 7: is a little tinkering. I don't think anything's a true

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Speaker 7: rebuild when you have those two guys at the top.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Philip Rivers is going to play this week,

603
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Speaker 1: and he's one of my favorite people that's ever played

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Speaker 1: in the league. He is so genuine and authentic and funny.

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Speaker 1: In fact, he was the first quarterback that ever told me,

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Speaker 1: he goes, I gotta be honest. I like the process

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Speaker 1: better than the game.

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Speaker 5: He goes.

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Speaker 3: I love the week of practice.

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Speaker 1: And he was a trash talker, like he's the all

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Speaker 1: time Southern trash talker. If I I guess his high

612
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Speaker 1: school is running the same offense. The idea and by

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Speaker 1: the way, he moved like a batting cage when he

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Speaker 1: was playing. So the idea. If I said to you tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: Ring Ring, Tom, can you play Sunday? If you kind

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Speaker 1: of knew the offense, could you generate drives?

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Speaker 5: Yes? I certainly could.

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Speaker 7: But first of all, who retires and then unretires and

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Speaker 7: then is ultimately a retirement?

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Speaker 5: Who does that? Is that?

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Speaker 7: Even it's ridiculous, and Philip to do that, it's right.

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Speaker 5: Good for him.

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Speaker 7: I'm happy he's doing it. I think the answer for

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Speaker 7: me would be yes, I'm not allowed to anymore because

625
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Speaker 7: I'm an owner of a minority owner of the Raider.

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Speaker 7: So I can't retire, but I'm very excited to watch

627
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Speaker 7: Philip play because if he's out there, I think it's

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Speaker 7: just very cool. You know, he's it speaks to you

629
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Speaker 7: know how much he loves the game and really what

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Speaker 7: he's able to do still. And this game is about

631
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Speaker 7: for the quarterback from the neck up. And we have

632
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Speaker 7: a saying at Michigan the mental is to the physical

633
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Speaker 7: as four is to one at the quarterback position, and

634
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Speaker 7: that doesn't really go away.

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Speaker 5: That's still up there. Do you have the physical ability

636
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Speaker 5: to still do it?

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Speaker 7: Take the hits, make the throws, the drops, you know,

638
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Speaker 7: buy a little time in the pocket. And if Philip

639
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Speaker 7: has been practicing those things, then we're all going to

640
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Speaker 7: see it on full display in Seattle on Sunday afternoon.

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Speaker 3: So I want to go back to Detroit Rams.

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Speaker 1: It's the game you have, and I think it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: Earlier this year, I thought Green Bay was a little

644
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: broken offensively, but Matt lafleuor solved it. And I've said

645
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Speaker 1: this for years, Tom I would rather have an offensive

646
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Speaker 1: coach than a defensive coach.

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Speaker 3: That said, I think.

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Speaker 1: Demico Ryans Vrabel Mike McDonald are studs. They're great. I

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Speaker 1: look at Detroit and I kind of I'm not sure

650
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Speaker 1: week to week. They're not as good on third down,

651
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Speaker 1: They're not as good a fourth down. But I want

652
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Speaker 1: to go to a macro picture here, because not every

653
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: game for Tom Brady was great. Over the course of

654
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: a season, you lose a left guard and then your

655
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: slot receiver shows up pregame and can't make cuts. How

656
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Speaker 1: did you fix Because the Rams haven't been broken this year,

657
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: They've made changes, the Lions have felt there are weeks

658
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: they're broken.

659
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Speaker 3: How do you solve that? What is the first thing

660
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Speaker 3: you would do?

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Speaker 1: If you're like guys, the tape shows were just not right,

662
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 1: There's no rhythm.

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Speaker 3: What do you do to solve that?

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Speaker 7: So I think that I I think the most important thing,

665
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Speaker 7: and we used to term a lot, certainly on broadcasting,

666
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Speaker 7: is we'll say complementary football. So when I was, for example,

667
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Speaker 7: with the Patriots and those were twenty of the best

668
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Speaker 7: years the NFL has ever seen in terms of a

669
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Speaker 7: standard of excellence that was put out there on the field,

670
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Speaker 7: is we tried to win all three phases of the

671
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 7: game every week. It wasn't just these three parts of

672
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Speaker 7: our team offense, defense, Special teams will all operate independently,

673
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Speaker 7: and you'd be very surprised that a lot of teams

674
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Speaker 7: see them as three individual teams within the same team.

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Speaker 7: But I knew we were going to win special teams

676
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Speaker 7: every week because the emphasis that Bill Belichick put on

677
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Speaker 7: special teams, not just from a meeting standpoint, but the

678
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Speaker 7: types of players that he brought on the team to

679
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Speaker 7: execute our special teams units, like Larry Izzo, like Matt Slater,

680
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Speaker 7: like Nate Ebner, like Lonnie Paxton. We kept them as

681
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Speaker 7: foundational pieces, so there was a standard of performance from

682
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Speaker 7: special teams. So if we won special teams and we

683
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 7: won offense, well, we won two of the three phases

684
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Speaker 7: of the game. Not to mention, we usually had one

685
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Speaker 7: of the top defenses in the league. So if we

686
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Speaker 7: had let's say, the best special teams unit and we

687
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 7: won on defense and offensively we were injured, we would

688
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 7: have to play maybe a little bit less aggressively. We

689
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 7: punt a little bit more, we'd throw the ball a

690
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 7: little less, we'd run the ball a little more. We

691
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 7: would do different things within our offensive scheme to try

692
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Speaker 7: to compliment the other pieces. Because alls we were trying

693
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Speaker 7: to do was win that week. And I think what

694
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Speaker 7: a lot of people miss out on is Okay, you're

695
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 7: down this particular receiver, Well, what do we do well.

696
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Speaker 7: We're playing the Colts and they have a tremendous offense.

697
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 7: The first thought on our offense was, let's run the

698
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Speaker 7: ball a lot to try to minimize the amount of possessions.

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Speaker 5: We'll give the ball to the Colts. Let's run the ball,

700
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Speaker 5: Let's control the clock.

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Speaker 7: Let's try to win time of possession thirty five minutes

702
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 7: to twenty five minutes, because if they're not on the field,

703
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 7: they're not scoring. That's the best that's the best defense

704
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Speaker 7: we can play.

705
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Speaker 5: And every week there was a different formula. The urgency

706
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 5: was there every week.

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Speaker 7: By our coaching staff, and that was communicated to our

708
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 7: players about this is how we're going to win this week.

709
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Speaker 7: That's the most important thing, not what are we going

710
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 7: to do two weeks from now when other guys are healthier,

711
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 7: other guys are injured. But we don't know the strengths

712
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 7: and weakness of that opponent. But we're going to evaluate

713
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Speaker 7: the opponent we're going to play. We're going to see

714
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Speaker 7: their strengths we're going to see their weaknesses, we're going

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Speaker 7: to try to attack their weaknesses, and we're going to

716
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 7: try to mitigate their strengths in all three phases of

717
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:38,240
Speaker 7: the game. That is an urgency that is probably missing,

718
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Speaker 7: you know, a lot in the NFL. There's probably three

719
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Speaker 7: or four teams that really do that, but most of

720
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Speaker 7: them don't do that. And that's why when you get

721
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Speaker 7: some injuries to a team, to one of those lesser teams,

722
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Speaker 7: well they are screwed because if they're slot receivers down,

723
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Speaker 7: or their tight ends down, or their quarterbacks, they're not

724
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Speaker 7: going to score points. And if they don't score points,

725
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Speaker 7: they're not going to win.

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Speaker 3: I'll wrap up with this.

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Speaker 1: Last week was one of the first weeks, maybe the

728
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: week before that, I watched football and I thought, good god,

729
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: this looks miserable.

730
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Speaker 3: It looks so cold, it's snowing. It's awful.

731
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Speaker 1: I have this sinking suspicion that you actually liked cruddy

732
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Speaker 1: weather because you viewed it as an advantage because you

733
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: were a great lousy weather. Your ball, your hip movement,

734
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Speaker 1: you're a great crafty I've told you that Chicago game

735
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Speaker 1: in Soldier Field left sideline. I remember watching it thinking

736
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Speaker 1: that is a perfect cold weather throw. So when the

737
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Speaker 1: game looks miserable, were you sitting there on Wednesday, thinking, Uh,

738
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Speaker 1: Peyton's gonna be cold, he plays in the dome, I

739
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Speaker 1: can't wait?

740
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Speaker 3: Did you like it?

741
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Speaker 5: Absolutely?

742
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Speaker 7: I looked at the weather more than anybody in the

743
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 7: history of the NFL. My weather app was on overdrive

744
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 7: during the football season, constantly looking at the conditions we

745
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 7: were playing in, the conditions that are other teams that

746
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Speaker 7: our conference were playing in. And because we were in

747
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Speaker 7: New England and we really never practiced inside, we got

748
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 7: so used to all the la elevents, we got used

749
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Speaker 7: to the wind. I had to really work hard to

750
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Speaker 7: throw a very tight spiral. I worked on my mechanics

751
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 7: incessantly so that I could drive the ball through the wind.

752
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 7: And the tighter the spiral was, the more it could

753
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 7: penetrate the wind. So I knew I had to throw

754
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Speaker 7: a tight spiral. I knew I had to keep my

755
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 7: body warm. And how was I going to keep my

756
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 7: body warm? How many layers was I going to wear?

757
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,439
Speaker 7: You know, how many did I wear? The scuba suit?

758
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 7: If it was below twenty degrees? When did I put

759
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 7: it on? You just get so good because you practice

760
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 7: in it all year round. In the springtime, we'd go

761
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Speaker 7: back in April, we'd have forty five degree days in

762
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Speaker 7: the rain, we'd be outside working out. So you just

763
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 7: get accustomed to that environment. And now this time of

764
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Speaker 7: year in the NFL, in the Northeast and the Midwest,

765
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 7: you know, these outdoor games, they come down to weather

766
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 7: eighty percent of the time. So you better be good

767
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 7: in it and you better embrace it rather than see

768
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Speaker 7: it as a big disadvantage. And that's what we did.

769
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Speaker 7: We always saw as an advantage. The shittier the weather,

770
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Speaker 7: the better we are going to go out.

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Speaker 5: There and play.

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Speaker 1: By the way, the broadcasting thing, you're having fun. Listen,

773
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Speaker 1: I told you that. I said this off the air

774
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Speaker 1: to you. You asked me before your first game. It

775
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Speaker 1: said something like, listen, you're gonna be nervous. I should

776
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Speaker 1: have really said something nice. I was like, Tommy, you're

777
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Speaker 1: gonna be nervous for the first five minutes. And you're like, oh, thanks.

778
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Speaker 1: Really that really helped a lot.

779
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Speaker 3: Calling.

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Speaker 1: But like it's I think broadcasting similar to football.

781
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Speaker 3: It's just reps. It's like work reps.

782
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Speaker 1: And I will just say this, are you enjoying it

783
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Speaker 1: as much as it appears you're enjoying it.

784
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I could not have imagined it the transition being

785
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 7: any more fun and enjoyable than it's been. I have

786
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Speaker 7: the greatest team in the world, the greatest partner in

787
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 7: Kevin Burkhart, Aaron and Tom Dean Blandino up there with

788
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Speaker 7: me in the booth, the people that work with us,

789
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Speaker 7: our whole crew, our director, rich and Richie, our producer,

790
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,760
Speaker 7: our whole crew, our graphics team, everybody in the truck,

791
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Speaker 7: our cameramen. We have so much fun. It is such

792
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,959
Speaker 7: a team environment, and we give each other shit all day.

793
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 7: We laugh all day, you know, and we get to

794
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 7: cover football. And the only thing you want as a

795
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 7: broadcaster is a good game. I'm rooting for good game,

796
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 7: for good football. I want to see guys perform very well.

797
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 7: I want to see quarterbacks play well. I want to

798
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 7: see him read the defense. I want to see good blocks.

799
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 7: I want to see hard hits. I want the viewer

800
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 7: to really understand why this game is so fun to watch,

801
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 7: and then teach him a little bit along the way

802
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 7: about you know, different things that may come up, but

803
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 7: it's such an entertaining it's such an entertaining medium, and

804
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 7: I think I've really enjoyed it, and it's gone on.

805
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 7: You know, you continue to gain more confidence about what

806
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 7: your role is, and I just know our best is

807
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 7: yet to come.

808
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: Good seeing your always welcome, You know, I don't, they

809
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 1: asked me. I always tell management, I say, don't bother him.

810
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: He's busy, he's always welcome. But you know, you're always welcome.

811
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Speaker 1: So we just love having you on and I appreciate that.

812
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: Thanks Colin. Yeah, you do such a great job.

813
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 7: You keep up the great on top of everything, and

814
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 7: it's it's amazing what you do every day.

815
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Speaker 5: So keep up the great work yourself.

816
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 3: All right, Thanks Tom, Yeah, it's thanks.

817
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 5: I appreciate it.

818
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 3: You got broadcasting's fun. It is got a good cruise

819
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Speaker 3: here and.

820
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Speaker 1: I'll watched the Cold Well. I always said there was

821
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Speaker 1: always a piece of video.

822
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Speaker 3: It was live. I was watching. It was on another

823
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 3: network and it was I lived on the other coast

824
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 3: and I was watching. It was New England.

825
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 1: It was Brady against Peyton Manning and it was like

826
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: AFC Championship or something, and it was snowing in Foxboro. Therefore,

827
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:36,919
Speaker 1: you know, it was an hour and a half away.

828
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 1: It was snowing at my house and it was just

829
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Speaker 1: one of those things. It was a big sandwich game,

830
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 1: big sandwich. I'm sitting watching TV for four hours and

831
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Speaker 1: Jim Nantz is getting ready, you know, he's, oh, well,

832
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: I got the kick Coffs coming up next. And they

833
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: show a picture of Peyton Manning snowing and he looks

834
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: so cold, and I'm sitting with a friend and I'm like,

835
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: game's over. New England's winning the game. I said, look

836
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: at Manning and it just looked like he was you know,

837
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: he's playing the Dome and it was cold. It was

838
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: Foxborough cold, and I'm like, that's bad body language, like

839
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: he's cold and now.

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00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 3: And the Patriots did win that game, by the way,