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Speaker 2: Episode three ninety seven. His name is Patrick Kicks. He's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was right on him.

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Speaker 2: And he's always on the same couch and he tells

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Speaker 2: We talked about a lot of stuff. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: can say who we talked about, right, because we didn't

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Speaker 2: run like his bits. Yeah you can do that, okay,

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Speaker 2: Like the one about third Eye Blind super cool to me.

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Speaker 2: I mean, normal dude, like went to law school.

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Speaker 2: It was like an attorney that was like, I don't

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Speaker 2: you know, built such a following and now he's doing

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Speaker 3: It's the best in music.

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Speaker 2: From you know, different genres, from fascinating, heartfelt, inspirational tales.

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Speaker 2: His name is Pat Hope. You check him out on TikTok.

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Speaker 2: I hope you listen to this podcast, and I hope

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Speaker 2: you check out his podcast. It's called Good Measure with

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Speaker 2: Patrick Hicks. He also worked as a booking agent at

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Speaker 3: He was in a punk band. What was your big

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Speaker 5: Every story I wanted him in with, and that boy

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he also has a good culture. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if we talked about this on his TikTok where don't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he won't take it down.

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Speaker 2: But everybody else will run you over, and like then

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Speaker 3: So yours isn't even in the top ten or so. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: No, it's just a straight story, just him in his

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Speaker 2: So here he is. I follow him. I'm a big fan.

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Speaker 2: His name is Patrick Hicks. Episode three ninety seven of

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Speaker 2: Let me say first of all, that I'm a huge fan.

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Speaker 1: No, that's amazing. I mean it's it's still weird. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Knowing who you are is probably the genesis of everybody

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Speaker 3: You went to law school. Are you a lawyer?

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Speaker 2: So the fact that you do these tiktoks, and I

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Speaker 2: So and this all started because I was reading about

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Speaker 3: You're Stephen Jenkins. There we go.

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Speaker 2: You're Stephen Jenkins and she's a sixth grade teacher. That's

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Speaker 5: The Bobby Cast will be right back. Wow, and we're

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Speaker 3: His name is Read.

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Speaker 2: You're not gonna be able to see him, but Read.

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Speaker 2: You pulled the microphone up for a second. So I

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Speaker 3: Read. Have you seen all the stories?

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Speaker 2: Actually, so if you don't mind, Patrick, I would like

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Speaker 3: Read.

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Speaker 2: When you think you know it, just raise your hand

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Speaker 2: and I will stop you. And I'll stop Patrick. But

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Speaker 2: I want Patrick if you don't mind, would you please

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, okay, So he's going to tell the story.

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Speaker 3: Read this is what I do.

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Speaker 1: So this has to do with a rapper doing a

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Speaker 1: It's like a very specific Alaskan Walmart, and it's the

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Speaker 1: have been like this was obviously rigged. We're not going

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00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:33,080
Speaker 1: to send this this rapper to Alaska. But the rapper

440
00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,359
Speaker 1: is like, I'll go to Alaska. He's like, you know,

441
00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,280
Speaker 1: there probably are some people there who like my music.

442
00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,159
Speaker 1: I'm going to go to Alaska. So he goes, and

443
00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,959
Speaker 1: this guy who was the kind of spearhead of it

444
00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,040
Speaker 1: to David Thorpe, I think it was his name. Walmart

445
00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:49,560
Speaker 1: is like, do you want to come too? This could

446
00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,040
Speaker 1: be like a good opportunity, but they weren't going to

447
00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:53,720
Speaker 1: pay for him. They're like, you have to meet us there,

448
00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,359
Speaker 1: but you know you could go, And he was like, well, no,

449
00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,119
Speaker 1: I can't afford to fly to Alaska for a joke.

450
00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,560
Speaker 1: And Pipple it's like, bring that guy too, I will

451
00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:07,320
Speaker 1: pay for him to go. Oh, I gave up the

452
00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:08,000
Speaker 1: name myself.

453
00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:09,920
Speaker 4: That's okay, finish the story.

454
00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,240
Speaker 3: Finish the story.

455
00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:13,280
Speaker 4: So it is pit Bull.

456
00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:18,520
Speaker 1: So Pitpull goes to Alaska and does this promotion at

457
00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:22,720
Speaker 1: this rural remote Walmart. He brings in David Thorpe, who

458
00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,720
Speaker 1: like does photos with him and and it's like this

459
00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,320
Speaker 1: amazing experience because it's this big deal for the town,

460
00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:32,120
Speaker 1: like everybody comes. They have like traditional Inuit dancers there,

461
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,399
Speaker 1: and he gives like this motivational speech and actually turns

462
00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:39,000
Speaker 1: into this like super beautiful moment. And then David Thorpe

463
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,040
Speaker 1: tells this great story where he's like I got to

464
00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,480
Speaker 1: talk to pit Bull and he's worried, like his pit

465
00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:45,920
Speaker 1: bull is going to be mad at me, like does

466
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,879
Speaker 1: he know I was making fun of him? And Pipole

467
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,520
Speaker 1: basically is just like, there's an expletive involved, but I'll

468
00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,760
Speaker 1: bleep it. But he's basically like, you know what, keep

469
00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:56,920
Speaker 1: messing with people. Next time we'll be on the moon.

470
00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 1: I was like, that's the best. That's the best pipple

471
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:00,920
Speaker 1: line you could ever have.

472
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:05,800
Speaker 2: So again, it's one after another, these awesome stories. But

473
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,200
Speaker 2: this isn't the first time that I think that you've

474
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,439
Speaker 2: been creative. Have you written, because obviously there's a lot

475
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,280
Speaker 2: of writing that goes into this. Have you been a

476
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:14,760
Speaker 2: writer at all in other ways?

477
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I always kind of felt like I was

478
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,240
Speaker 1: supposed to be a writer. My parents are both journalists,

479
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,200
Speaker 1: so I've always kind of like wanted to be a

480
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:23,680
Speaker 1: writer in some capacity.

481
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 4: You know.

482
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,280
Speaker 1: I had like an MP three blog back in the

483
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:30,200
Speaker 1: day when those were cool, and yeah, just like I've

484
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 1: written screenplays that was like kind of my hobby before

485
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,239
Speaker 1: I got into this, which I didn't even like think

486
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,439
Speaker 1: of it, but most of them did involve music in

487
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:44,440
Speaker 1: some way. But yes, I've written screenplays, I've written like articles,

488
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 1: but yeah, I had a podcast like I've just always

489
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,200
Speaker 1: been doing creative stuff. I've never been just a guy

490
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,880
Speaker 1: who does a job and then you know, go home

491
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 1: and watch his TV. I just like, not that there's

492
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,879
Speaker 1: anything wrong with that, that's just I've always been doing

493
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 1: something creative to be happy.

494
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 2: You know, my wheelhouse is probably nineties alternative because it's

495
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 2: when I grew up, and that was like music.

496
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like music that kind of spoke for me.

497
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 2: I felt like country music spoke about where I was from,

498
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 2: but I didn't feel like it really spoke like how

499
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 2: I felt. But then you had all these bands then

500
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 2: they're like, I'm sad, I'm angry, and I.

501
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,640
Speaker 3: Was like, yeah, I'm twelve, but I feel that.

502
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 2: And so what's cool for me now is I get

503
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,439
Speaker 2: to like spend time with these guys and because you know,

504
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,239
Speaker 2: they're fifty five, sometimes older than that, and just talk

505
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 2: to them a little bit. And I was talking to

506
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 2: the lead singer Candlebox that had them on my radio show,

507
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:43,160
Speaker 2: and I love Candlebox. Did you know that they were

508
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 2: like not really well loved by that grunge world because apparently,

509
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess they came in on the

510
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 2: tail end. And since they were a bit different. What

511
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:53,880
Speaker 2: do you know about that anything?

512
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I know, you know, it's like we

513
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 1: didn't have this word back then, but the scene was

514
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,679
Speaker 1: pretty gatekeepy and it was like, you know, if you weren't.

515
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember Stone Tumble Pilots too, who I love.

516
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,959
Speaker 1: People were like, it's not really grunge or you know

517
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 1: they There was just so much especially in the nineties,

518
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 1: of like who's authentic, who's not authentic? Did you come

519
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 1: from this scene? It's like, do you possibly want to

520
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:20,640
Speaker 1: make money? If so, you're bad? But as weird as

521
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 1: a fan, especially as a kid, it's like I loved

522
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 1: all those bands. I love Candleblocks of you know, anybody

523
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 1: who was on MTV. Oh, Silverchair was huge.

524
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 2: And they were kids too, which I thought was super cool.

525
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,959
Speaker 2: They were like the cool handsen Dire. Yeah, it was like,

526
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 2: you know, you had Hanson and then you had like

527
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 2: the cool hands from Australia. But when I was talking

528
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 2: to the guys with Candlebox, a bit of the beef

529
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 2: towards them was that they had like a song, and

530
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 2: that song blew up so big it made them famous quickly.

531
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 2: They just almost formed and that everybody was resentful because

532
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,479
Speaker 2: of not everybody, but in that world was resentful because

533
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 2: they just got together. There one song blew up, and

534
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 2: here they were playing bigger shows than a lot of

535
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 2: the bands that were having success but had been together

536
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 2: for ten, fifteen, twenty years or so. I just kind

537
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 2: of thought that that was right, that that back from

538
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 2: back in the nineties, when everybodys supposed to not care,

539
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 2: they sure didn't care a lot.

540
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean yeah, it was. Yeah, if you

541
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: didn't pay your dues, if it was possible, you were,

542
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: you know, an industry plant, if you know, you were

543
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 1: put together. I mean, was that was the knock on?

544
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 1: Like Weezer when they first came out. You know, Weezer

545
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 1: got a lot of you know, a lot of crap

546
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: that they were like just corporate pixies or something. But yeah,

547
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 1: I mean, doing these stories, every single band went through something,

548
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: so like every band had failures, every band had struggles,

549
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: Like nobody really was handed to it on a silver platter.

550
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 1: But like, you know, maybe you just didn't know. I mean,

551
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 1: like when Third Eye Blind came out, you know, I

552
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 1: think like people didn't realize that this guy had been

553
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: struggling for ten years. I mean, there's so many bands

554
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: like that were it seems like they came out of nowhere,

555
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: but you don't know all the bands they were in before,

556
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: all the stuff they went through.

557
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 3: So who do you love?

558
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, like you I grew up with with

559
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 1: nineties alternative. I mean, seeing Nirvana for the first time

560
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 1: was just like life changing. Smashing Pumpkins was another one

561
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: that was big for me Green Day and then because

562
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: I'm watching MTV, like I got into nineties hip hop too,

563
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: so like you know, right after Smashing Pumpkins, you'd see Snoop,

564
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 1: You'd see Dre. You know, I was into jay Z

565
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: and Notorious Big. So really, like you know, everything.

566
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 2: We were lucky enough to have Napster and the introduction

567
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 2: of it doesn't matter what your regional music store has

568
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 2: or how much they have of it, because there is

569
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 2: no regional music store on Napster. It's whatever you want

570
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 2: as much as you want to. And I remember I

571
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 2: would be so upset with Metallic. I would be like,

572
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 2: you shouldn't be downloaded our music for free. And now

573
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 2: as an adult, I'm like I was an idiot, Like

574
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:01,360
Speaker 2: we thought we deserved all that music were we thought

575
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 2: we just deserved it, but it did.

576
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 3: Introduce me to again.

577
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 2: I was a massive hip hop head as well, and

578
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 2: there was a stage where I kind of got out

579
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 2: of country music because I'd been in it for so long.

580
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,239
Speaker 2: That we are lucky because we were here for the

581
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 2: first part of kind of the digital music revolution where

582
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but I would just hit

583
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 2: letter A and go to sleep and just download every

584
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 2: song they started with A.

585
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that that was so fun, that being like, oh,

586
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: in the morning, I'm going to have an album to

587
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 1: listen to. No, it's great, I mean it's it's just

588
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: weird because you just you can't outrun the technology, Like

589
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: is it right? No, but the technology exists, and as

590
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: soon as as soon as you knew what the technology

591
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 1: was capable of, you knew like it was over. And

592
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: you know, we've sort of come up with a solution

593
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: with Spotify and stuff. But I mean, even that, you know,

594
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 1: is not the best for artists, but it's just there's

595
00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: there was no like putting the genie back in the

596
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: bottle when Napster came around.

597
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 2: So what about AI and these AI songs? Because I

598
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 2: found myself enjoying some of them. I heard Kanye doing

599
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 2: country music. I've heard Notorious Big doing some NWA stuff,

600
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 2: and so like.

601
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 3: I just heard that easy did you so?

602
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 4: Yeah doing Boys in the Hood.

603
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so legit. I what do you think about?

604
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 2: Guess personally as a consumer, it's so fun to listen to.

605
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 2: How do you feel as someone that is in the

606
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 2: industry now about music and AI and how they can

607
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 2: quickly make a song that actually wasn't created by anyone

608
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 2: except a computer.

609
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: Right, I Mean it's so like the legal side of

610
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 1: my brain is so fascinating because like, what are the

611
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: copyright rules going to be? Who's Let's say you put

612
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 1: out one of these AI songs and it becomes a hit,

613
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: Like who owns that song?

614
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 4: Is it Notorious Big? It's not really him, is it?

615
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 4: You know? Like the.

616
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: NWA is it the person who created the AI? Who

617
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: told the AI what to make? Like do they get

618
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 1: any percentage of it?

619
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 4: I don't know.

620
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: So it's very fascinating for like, you know, there's all

621
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff where there's no rules, so who

622
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: knows what's gonna happen? Like we're gonna have to you know.

623
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: It's almost like the beginning of sampling when you had

624
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: like glory days of eighties sampling, like the Bomb Squad

625
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 1: and the early Beastie Boys records where it's just like,

626
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: let's take every single thing we can imagine and put

627
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: it on records because there's no real rules yet, and

628
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: then they had to have cases and invent you know,

629
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: sampling laws. So I think the same thing is gonna

630
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: happen with AI, Like people are going to use this

631
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: to make cool stuff, and then we're gonna have to

632
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: figure out like, Okay, this is not actually ethical or

633
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: you know, legal to do, but it's I mean, the

634
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:48,719
Speaker 1: possibilities are fascinating.

635
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 2: I would assume that what what it derives from is

636
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 2: who probably will end up making some money. Meaning if

637
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 2: they had to go and say this end of this

638
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 2: Big e Easy song, well, you've taken parts of Notorious

639
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 2: Big like you you've taken him doing something and used

640
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 2: it and analyzed and made this song. And you've also

641
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 2: taken a song that easy the NBA got they wrote,

642
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 2: whomever wrote it, And so I feel like it's going

643
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: to be a split almost like it is a publishing split.

644
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,719
Speaker 1: Right, They're going to have to figure out the the

645
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: math on it.

646
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, even but like like a I'll have just We'll

647
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 2: just be you know, deeping around here, because I'm in

648
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 2: a comedy music group, and you can just tell it

649
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 2: to write a funny song and it'll it's not that

650
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,479
Speaker 2: funny yet, but it'll write a funny song. And if

651
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 2: we were to record that, I never have to admit

652
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 2: it came from AI.

653
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 3: I just say I did it. There's nothing can do about.

654
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: It, right, No, it's so fascinating. I mean I tried

655
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Speaker 1: it when Chad Gpt first came out. I tried to

656
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Speaker 1: get it to write a story in the style of myself,

657
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Speaker 1: and like it's not there, but it's pretty close. Like

658
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Speaker 1: it was wrong about a few things, but it gets

659
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Speaker 1: you pretty close, Like you know it could get there

660
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Speaker 1: for sure.

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Speaker 2: Do the child crooner who became a rock icon, if

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Speaker 2: you don't mind giving me a little bit of that

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Speaker 2: for our listeners.

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Speaker 1: Sure, So this one, I remember setting it up. I

665
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Speaker 1: kind of gave away the reveal pretty early because it's

666
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Speaker 1: pretty hard to disguise this guy's name. So I think

667
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Speaker 1: for a while, I just said, like this kid. So,

668
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Speaker 1: this kid Go is from the Bay Area in northern California.

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Speaker 1: He's like five years old. He goes into this music shop.

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Speaker 1: There's like the local music shop, and the family's musical.

671
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Speaker 1: The dad is like a jazz drummer and you know,

672
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Speaker 1: some musicans and family, and the mom maybe wants to

673
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Speaker 1: get the kids some piano lessons, and the owners of

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Speaker 1: the music store just like taken with this kid. He's

675
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Speaker 1: got this mop of like blonde curly hair. It's like

676
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Speaker 1: this charming kid, so like, ooh, can he sing? And

677
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Speaker 1: he starts singing and they're like, oh my god, this

678
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Speaker 1: kid is amazing. And it's like a big family, so

679
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Speaker 1: money's kind of tight. So in order to get the

680
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Speaker 1: piano lessons, the owners of this music shop also the

681
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Speaker 1: guy who owns it as a songwriter, and he's like,

682
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Speaker 1: what if you have your kid record one of my

683
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Speaker 1: songs and like I'll put it out on my independent

684
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Speaker 1: label and then like we'll give you some free piano lessons.

685
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Speaker 1: And so they cut this one song with this little

686
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Speaker 1: kid singing on it, and on the back he only

687
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: wrote one song, so on the back is actually an

688
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: interview with the kid. And they put out and I

689
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Speaker 1: think it's like, you know, five hundred copies or something

690
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Speaker 1: like that, and it was, you know, not a hit.

691
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Speaker 1: It is just circulated locally in the Bay Area. But

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Speaker 1: if you have a copy of this, this seven inch single,

693
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Speaker 1: it's worth a lot of money because it's the first

694
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Speaker 1: recording of Billy Joe Armstrong from Green Day and then

695
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: but his name is Billy Joe, and there's no way

696
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Speaker 1: to really hide that, like like Billy would kind of

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Speaker 1: give it away, like you know, so I kind of

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Speaker 1: went early on that one. But I mean the story

699
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: is like just so fascinating. It like it gets a

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Speaker 1: little tragic. His dad passes away when he's young, and

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Speaker 1: that kind of forces him to just get deep, deep

702
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Speaker 1: into music, and he becomes obsessed and he takes guitar lessons,

703
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Speaker 1: and then he gets into punk rock, and then he

704
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Speaker 1: meets Mike Dirnt, who you know, just becomes like his

705
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: kind of musical soulmate for years. And then they start

706
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Speaker 1: this band in high school, Sweet Children, and then a

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Speaker 1: big part of the story, the big part of the

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Speaker 1: story is Gilman Street in Berkeley, which you know, is

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Speaker 1: this famous music venue, and they get their start there

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Speaker 1: and then when the major labels come calling, they have

711
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: this push between if we sign with a major label,

712
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Speaker 1: we're never we're not allowed to play Gilman Street anymore

713
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Speaker 1: because they had a rule no major labels could play

714
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,959
Speaker 1: there because it's supposed to be a place for independent bands.

715
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: But that's like where they got their start, and you know,

716
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: all the bands they idolized, like Operation IVY were from there.

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00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: So it was like, je, we stay here and know

718
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: we're never going to get big, or do we want

719
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: as many people as possible to hear our music? And

720
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,959
Speaker 1: so obviously they opted for that one, and you know,

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00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: became became Green Day that we know and love.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, he got to start.

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Speaker 1: On as a five year old singing on this song

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Speaker 1: which I can't remember that it's something like for your

725
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:18,479
Speaker 1: Love or something with love in it.

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Speaker 2: I think when I look back at albums were very

727
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 2: instrumental to my i'll call them my formative views. I mean,

728
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Speaker 2: Dookie is probably a top five album for me because one,

729
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 2: it just had so many hits, but two, even when

730
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Speaker 2: I started to learn how to play music, like the

731
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Speaker 2: dream was the longview bassline.

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Speaker 3: Boomb bomb Bomb.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like there were so many parts of that record

734
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Speaker 2: that affected me in so many ways, and the fact

735
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Speaker 2: that there were only three of them.

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Speaker 3: I saw them in concert.

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Speaker 2: I seen my concert a few times and I'll give

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Speaker 2: you the quick version of it that they You know,

739
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Speaker 2: they have people come up and play their instruments.

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Speaker 3: Have you ever seen Green Day live Patrick.

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00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 4: In the nineties. Yeah, I saw live.

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Speaker 1: I think it was before they before they did the

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Speaker 1: somebody up and play the instrument thing, which I love.

744
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Speaker 1: I've seen on YouTube.

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Speaker 3: It's awesome.

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Speaker 2: So they pulled a guy and they're like, all right,

747
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Speaker 2: who could play the bass?

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Speaker 3: And they guy kid who played the drums, the drummer

749
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Speaker 3: boom were doing good.

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Speaker 2: And then they bring the guitar player up and he's like,

751
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 2: all right, let's let's get it. And the kids sucked.

752
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: He didn't want to play guitar. No funniest thing I've

753
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 2: ever seen.

754
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 3: And Bill Joe's like.

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Speaker 2: Get the hef off here and he grabs Hi back

756
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 2: and plays it with the other two guys. Like one

757
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 2: of my favorite concert moments ever. But Doukie was such

758
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 2: a big album to me. Concerts though big part of

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00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 2: I'm kind of jaded now at this point, but for you,

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Speaker 2: like best concert ever, favorite ever.

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Speaker 1: So the best concert I've ever been to, hands down

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Speaker 1: was Prince. I'm a huge Prince fan and I saw

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Speaker 1: him on his Musicology tour in the early two thousands,

764
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Speaker 1: and like, I don't, you know, I don't love stadium shows.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's just it's hard to get it to

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Speaker 1: sound good and you're way in the back and you're

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Speaker 1: watching on a monitor, Like I could have stayed home,

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Speaker 1: but he was playing at the Anaheim Pond in Anaheim,

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Speaker 1: and I just, you know, I got to see Princes.

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Speaker 1: So I went, even though it was a stadium, and

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Speaker 1: it was like the most intimate concert in my life. Like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how he does it. Somehow he made

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Speaker 1: it seem like I was. He was in my living room,

774
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: like just the best performer I've ever seen. Amazing guitar player,

775
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: like amazing singer. Like it's just insane how much talent

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Speaker 1: this one man had, and like in the studio and

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00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: live to have all that talent was just blew me away.

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Speaker 1: But that was the best concert, by far I've ever seen.

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Speaker 5: We interrupt this interview to bring you a message from

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Speaker 3: This is the Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 2: I used to live in Austin, Texas, loved there for

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Speaker 2: twelve years. And I went to this bar, small outdoor venue,

784
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Speaker 2: but it was a pretty It wasn't like a grimy

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Speaker 2: outdoor venue.

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Speaker 3: It was kind of upscaleish version.

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Speaker 2: And so I go and I didn't know they had

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Speaker 2: any music, because there really was anything playing.

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Speaker 3: There was no band set up.

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Speaker 2: And I get on the elevator and first of all,

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Speaker 2: the elevator won't come down. They're only three floors. The

792
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 2: elevator will not calm down, and I'm sitting there forever.

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Speaker 2: And I'm also not gonna walk upstairs because I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I was lazy, loser, and so I keep waiting and

795
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 2: it goes to two, and then it sits on two forever,

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00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 2: and finally it comes down being it opens and in

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Speaker 2: the elevator this I mean massive dudes. I think four,

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Speaker 2: possibly three massive dudes in this elevator, but I don't

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Speaker 2: think anything about it. I'm gonna get in the elevator

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Speaker 2: and go up. And so they didn't get off, though

801
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 2: it was the weird thing. For some reason, it hit one.

802
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 2: These big dudes stayed on the elevator and they didn't

803
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 2: get so, okay, well they didn't come out. So I

804
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 2: just got in and I was gonna go up to

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00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 2: three and I look kind of behind me in between

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Speaker 2: the big dudes.

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Speaker 3: It's freaking Prince.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's so cool. Anything No, no, I say anything.

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00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 2: I want to be There are four big dudes in

810
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 2: there that didn't want me to say anything. But I

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Speaker 2: just remember being like, holy crap, that's Prince and he

812
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 2: was and he had on tall boots like hills, like

813
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,919
Speaker 2: but he's still I don't know how tall. Prince says,

814
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 2: you may if you have team. He was so small

815
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 2: that I would have thought it was a woman. And

816
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 2: to watch him play guitar like literally one of the

817
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 2: best guitar players. I don't think he even gets the credit

818
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 2: for how good of a guitar player he is because

819
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 2: he wrote and has so many massive hits where he

820
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 2: sings that it's easy to forget how elite of a

821
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Speaker 2: guitar player he was. I would watch some of these

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Speaker 2: shows where he would be on stage playing guitar with

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Speaker 2: other artists who could really play guitar, and it's like

824
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,479
Speaker 2: when you put eminem on a track, like you don't

825
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 2: do that because he will come on and even if

826
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 2: it's your song, it will then be the song that, yeah,

827
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: he'll take it over. And I think Prince is very underrated,

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Speaker 2: and I think people are very under educated on how

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Speaker 2: great of a guitar player and musician that he was.

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Speaker 2: Have you been to Paisley Park or anywhere like that.

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Speaker 4: I did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I went right at the end of twenty sixteen,

833
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: you know, right when he passed away. They just opened

834
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Speaker 1: and I went. I have some family in Minnesota because

835
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: my mom is from there, so I wanted to go

836
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Speaker 1: see it right when it opened. And it's pretty amazing,

837
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: amazing experience. I mean, of all the artists, every story

838
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: about Prince is insane, like your story about meeting him

839
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: and he's like four giants. Every story about Prince is insane,

840
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,439
Speaker 1: and it's like fascinating. But yeah, Paisley Park is really cool. Yeah,

841
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,959
Speaker 1: he was a special, special guy.

842
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 2: We were talking before we started this about your podcast,

843
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 2: so just to go back over it with you good

844
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 2: measure with Patrick Kicks. So on this podcast, what are

845
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 2: you getting into? Is it stuff that you've done on

846
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 2: TikTok or is it just your general music knowledge about

847
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 2: things that have happened and are happening.

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00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, so thanks for bringing it up. Yeah. So originally

849
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: I was like a lot of people were asking me

850
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: to do a podcast. I was like, all right, I

851
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: can just take some of my TikTok story and do

852
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 1: them in a podcast format, and I was like, that's

853
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: kind of it's kind of cheating people, Like I got

854
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: to do fresh stories. So yeah, each episode is three

855
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: stories basically like what I would do on TikTok, but

856
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: expand it out so instead of five minutes, they're like

857
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen minutes and just more in depth. And

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00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: then there's like a central theme. So like the first

859
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: episode is about going solo because you know, I was

860
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: doing doing a podcast on my own. So it's like

861
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: artists from bands that were not successful that then became

862
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,240
Speaker 1: successful solo artists. So three different stories on that theme,

863
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: and then I bring in clips of interviews and you know,

864
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: play the music obviously, and yeah, it's just like a

865
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: little more in depth in the than the TikTok for

866
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: people who want to go deeper. It's a little more serious,

867
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: like the you know, the Tic TACs. I try not

868
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 1: to be too depressing, so if a story is too

869
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: too tragic, you know, people might not want to watch

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00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: that when they're scrolling through dance videos. But so we

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Speaker 1: talk about a little more some more of the tragic

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Speaker 1: rock and roll stories like Elliott Smith and stuff like that,

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Speaker 1: where it really kind of deserves more than just a

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Speaker 1: couple of minutes on TikTok. So it was a lot

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Speaker 1: of fun. There's a lot of work. I'm doing it

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Speaker 1: in seasons. That's kind of the only way to keep saying.

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Speaker 1: So I just finished the first season and then season

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Speaker 1: two TBD.

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Speaker 3: Good Measure with Patrick Kicks.

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Speaker 2: If you likes Tiktoks, I think I'm going to go

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Speaker 2: and check it out, actually subscribe to the freaking podcast

882
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 2: because again, to me, I'm lucky enough to get to

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Speaker 2: have big stars actually come to my house, right, And

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Speaker 2: it's weird sometimes when somebody comes into my house and

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Speaker 2: we do this. But I I was really excited to

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Speaker 2: talk to you today because to me, you're like the coolest.

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Speaker 2: Could you talk about things that I care about? And

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Speaker 2: I see you. I probably see you on my phone

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Speaker 2: more than I see my wife. So two more things

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Speaker 2: I want to do so and then we we'll wrap

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Speaker 2: this up. But will you give me the country star

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Speaker 2: who wanted to rock? Because I think my audience will

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Speaker 2: love that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I didn't do this one as a reveal.

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Speaker 1: Do you want me to do it reveal style or

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Speaker 1: just regular?

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Speaker 2: I just think the story's so good I just want

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Speaker 2: to want nobody hear the story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is about Tanya Tucker, who I was

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Speaker 1: going to see. So I wanted to do a story

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Speaker 1: about her. First of all, amazing show. She's so good live.

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Speaker 1: I really feel like, no matter what style of music

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Speaker 1: you like, watch Tanya Tucker because she like had the

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Speaker 1: audience in the palm of her hand and so so.

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Speaker 1: But I wanted to tell the story of her like

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Speaker 1: rock and roll record, which I thought it was just

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Speaker 1: really fascinating. So Tanya Tucker gets her start as a

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Speaker 1: child star. She has her first you know single when

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Speaker 1: she's like thirteen years old, and is you know, like

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Speaker 1: anytime there's a child star, they're very like, okay, we

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Speaker 1: want them to be a child and never grow up,

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Speaker 1: and they're very like this, she must be innocent and

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Speaker 1: pure forever. And she has all this massive success, like

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Speaker 1: she had her greatest hits album when she was fifteen,

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Speaker 1: which is just you know, this is insane pressure to

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Speaker 1: put on a kid. So she grows up a little

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Speaker 1: and she wants to like expand and she wants to

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Speaker 1: do this rock and roll record, and she gets this

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Speaker 1: new management team who had never worked with a country

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Speaker 1: star they wanted to help a country star crossover, and

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Speaker 1: you know, she was big in country, and she wanted

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Speaker 1: to be like a superstar, you know, across across the board,

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Speaker 1: which I think she deserved to do. You know, she

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Speaker 1: she wanted to be like the Taylor Swift of her day.

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Speaker 1: So she goes to put out this rock and roll record,

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Speaker 1: but then she has this listening party in Nashville and

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Speaker 1: everybody like hates it. Everybody's like what is this and

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Speaker 1: she's devastated. She's like, I've ruined my career by going

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Speaker 1: rock and roll. And so the album is called TNT, which,

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Speaker 1: like you now you think putting it on, like this

931
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Speaker 1: is gonna be a CDC or something. It's not that hardcore,

932
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Speaker 1: like it is very still like you know, country country rock.

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Speaker 1: And she heard the rock and roll songs are like

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Speaker 1: not Fade Away by Buddy Holly, but kind of done

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Speaker 1: in the Rolling Stone style, Chuck Berry, like Elvis, that

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Speaker 1: kind of rock and roll. It's like, it's not that,

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Speaker 1: but apparently it was like too much for people to handle.

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Speaker 1: And she's like, that's it. I ruined my career. I

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Speaker 1: destroyed my career. And then everybody sees the album artwork,

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Speaker 1: and it causes this like uproar because this innocent, you know,

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Speaker 1: child star is now grown up and has like a

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Speaker 1: sexy album cover which looks very tame by today's standards,

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Speaker 1: like people probably might know the record, so like on

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Speaker 1: the front she has a microphone like cord between her

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Speaker 1: legs and she's wearing tight pants, but it's still like

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Speaker 1: pretty tame. And then on the inside there was a

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Speaker 1: poster which if you watch like the I think it's

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Speaker 1: the A and E biography on Tanya Tucker. I think

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Speaker 1: Travis Tritt is like I had that poster up on

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Speaker 1: my wall. I didn't like I did dirty thing, so

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Speaker 1: that Tanya Tucker poster. But it's just hurting like a

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Speaker 1: red jumpsuit and she's standing backwards and just tight pants

953
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Speaker 1: and her back is out. It's really not that scandals

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Speaker 1: but everybody, like the reviews were like she's gone full

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Speaker 1: sex kit and like she's this is so scandalous. And

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Speaker 1: she's not super proud of that record, like she has

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Speaker 1: said like maybe that was a mistake, but it ended

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Speaker 1: up being her biggest selling record, like she you know,

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Speaker 1: she's sold a lot of copies of it. I think

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Speaker 1: it's not a bad record, but in her biography in

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Speaker 1: the nineties she said that she regretted doing it, but

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Speaker 1: I like it and she's just one of my heroes,

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Speaker 1: like she's fantastic.

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Speaker 2: All right, final thing here, everybody go follow Patrick Hicks

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Speaker 2: eighty two on TikTok And if you've listened this far

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Speaker 2: into this podcast, you're obviously a music fan like I am,

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Speaker 2: and so I just really recommend you do it. Also,

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Speaker 2: the podcast Good Measure with Patrick Kicks it is there

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Speaker 2: for you.

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Speaker 3: And so no spoiler on the story.

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Speaker 2: I didn't want to ask you who's next, because because

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Speaker 2: I don't, then I won't get to play, you know,

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Speaker 2: and I really look forward to to get into play.

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Speaker 2: How many do you have done written already as of

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Speaker 2: righte this moment?

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Speaker 3: Last question?

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Speaker 1: None really, so I don't write a script, so none

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Speaker 1: are really written ahead of time. I do have one

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Speaker 1: that's recorded and ready to go, but it's not really

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Speaker 1: a spoiler. So if you saw the video I posted yesterday,

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Speaker 1: it's actually just a continuation of that video.

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Speaker 4: But that's it.

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Speaker 1: I don't plan that far in advance because I kind

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Speaker 1: of just go, like what am I feeling? You know,

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Speaker 1: it's still just a hobby for me. So I want

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Speaker 1: it to be fun. I want it to be fun

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Speaker 1: for me, and like what story is grabbing me today

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Speaker 1: that I want to tell? So I have no idea

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Speaker 1: what's going to be. Next week we'll find out. I

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Speaker 1: have some ideas, but I have no idea what it's

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Speaker 1: actually going to be.

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Speaker 3: He's a rock and roll he doesn't know, he care.

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Speaker 3: I just living live. You know, whatever happens happens.

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Speaker 2: I know more rock and roll than that, Patrick, honestly,

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Speaker 2: big fan. It's it's so cool that, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 2: for me, this is the coolest thing that I get

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Speaker 2: to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: So thank you, dud, Thank you so much. Yeah, anytime

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Speaker 1: you want me back.

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Speaker 3: Oh, don't say that, I'll be calling you at home.

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Speaker 2: Hey man, we're not recording or anything, but you want

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Speaker 2: to talk about so.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, let's I'd love to talk to you again.

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Speaker 2: Keep up the good work and hopefully, and I do

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Speaker 2: think it'll happen, you'll be able to do this for

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Speaker 2: a living.

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Speaker 3: Is that the goal?

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Speaker 1: That's yeah, totally the goal. I mean it wasn't when

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Speaker 1: I started, but you know, it's like cool stuff keeps happening.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm getting opportunities to do like partnerships with

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Speaker 1: record labels and you know, stuff I never thought was possible.

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Speaker 1: So I'm hoping TV show or sponsorship or something.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: That's awesome. Patrick, thank you for your time, buddy, Hope

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Speaker 3: you have a good day.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, you too, man, Thank you so much all.

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Speaker 3: I love this episode of The Bobby Cast.

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