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Speaker 1: I'm Matt Miller, I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is Hot

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Speaker 1: Pursuit all right.

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Speaker 2: Today on the show, we have a lot of really

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Speaker 2: cool stuff to talk about. Hannah put out a story

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Speaker 2: about the most valuable cars that have sold at auction,

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Speaker 2: which I'm excited about because there are a couple of

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Speaker 2: really cool modern vehicles and one I have driven one

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Speaker 2: I would love to. We are also going to talk

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Speaker 2: about Pegani Horatio Pegani, because we had a Pegani interview.

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Speaker 2: I guess he was in Asia in Hong Kong, and

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Speaker 2: he is releasing his third like supercar, third generation of

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Speaker 2: the Pagani supercar. Portia also is releasing a car, both

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Speaker 2: of those in Asia. Hannah's gonna tell us why, and

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Speaker 2: we're gonna dive deep into the cyber truck. I've been

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Speaker 2: pumped about this thing for four years, and ever since

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Speaker 2: the very first time we saw it, haters have been

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Speaker 2: hating so hard. Elon makes it so easy, but I'm

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Speaker 2: hoping that he hits it out of the park. Hannah,

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Speaker 2: let's talk first about the story that you put out. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: Ferraris are the most expensive cars that have sold on auction.

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Speaker 2: We've been talking about that in this podcast, and you've

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Speaker 2: been writing about it for years. That's no big deal.

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Speaker 2: But there were a couple other really interesting sales. Tell

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Speaker 2: us about a couple of them.

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Speaker 3: It's always going to be Ferrari dominating. I think of

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Speaker 3: these top ten seven were Ferrari. This is as marketproof

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Speaker 3: as you can get their blue chip cars.

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Speaker 1: Of course.

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Speaker 3: Of course, aside from that, a couple other of the

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Speaker 3: brands that came up in the top ten list are recognizable.

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Speaker 3: We've got that Mercedes Formula one race car that Lewis

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Speaker 3: Hamilton is fin awesome, I know, and I think that

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Speaker 3: really actually means that these Formula one racers that have

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Speaker 3: been decommissioned are going to become more and more popular.

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Speaker 3: We had a couple Shoemaker cars that sold pretty well

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Speaker 3: last year. Now Hamilton this car, it was really interesting.

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Speaker 3: They sold it in a theater in Las Vegas at

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Speaker 3: the Winn Hotel and it went for almost twenty million dollars.

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Speaker 3: It was like eighteen point eight million. And that's the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I was thinking about this, I have no

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Speaker 2: idea about how many there are out there, but I

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Speaker 2: would imagine there are quite a few decommissioned at least chassis, right,

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Speaker 2: because they make a lot and maybe they don't make

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Speaker 2: a lot of engines. I think there's a rule about

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Speaker 3: There really are, and there are even race series where

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Speaker 3: guys will buy the old, older Formula cars and then

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Speaker 3: race them. What made this particular car really special though,

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Speaker 3: is that it's the only modern Formula One Mercedes that

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Speaker 3: isn't owned by Mercedes, by Lewis Hamilton or by Total Wolf.

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Speaker 3: So basically this was the only one that was offered

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Speaker 3: Mercedes Racing team conglomerate between Toto and Hamilton. So this

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Speaker 3: it's kind of, you know, like fun to do if

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, twenty million bucks almost that's a little

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Speaker 2: a lame one. It's at least a V eight, right,

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Speaker 2: It wasn't like the shoom V twelves or the V

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Speaker 3: which is really cool to see this one in particular. Two,

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Speaker 3: it was one of the last to have that particular

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Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with the car, which I incorrectly pronounced as Kyron,

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Speaker 3: Well, I would say Sharon, yes or Sharon, depending on

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Speaker 1: But honestly, I don't ever correct.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to go you're right, And every time

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Speaker 2: it's cool. I have had the honor of the privilege

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Speaker 2: I thought it was absolutely fugly, like I didn't like

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Speaker 3: I'm the same. I don't necessarily like two tone cars

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Speaker 3: it really has grown on me. And I'm totally with you.

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Speaker 3: You know, we're very lucky. We get to drive a

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Speaker 1: The sound to me is like a jet bye. I

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Speaker 3: Bougotti as said they're gonna well, actually, I don't know

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Speaker 3: People familiar with the matters say the sixteen cylinder car

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Speaker 2: Dollar for these, So let's talk about that. By the

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Speaker 2: eight of them were classic cars, you know, old. I

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Speaker 2: And the only modern ones that I referenced were Hamilton's

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Speaker 2: is crazy. It's wild. I guess it's because they just

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Speaker 2: you said, a hybrid powertrain.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: When they announced this car, they said they were going

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Speaker 1: So I don't you know, it's like.

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Speaker 2: A special edition, it's a final edition or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. This and this one was totally unique.

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Speaker 3: It had like a special paint job and special woven

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Speaker 3: See that kind of price jump in a year is wild,

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Speaker 3: and I mean, bottom line, things are worth what people

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Speaker 2: And I would must rather have a car, a Bugatti

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Speaker 2: people would pay more for a painting, even if it's

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Speaker 2: really good, right, which a lot of that, A lot

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Speaker 3: I mean it's interesting because going back to the Formula cars,

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Speaker 3: as if they are painting by Picasso. These are being

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Speaker 3: And I'm not convinced how much driving will be done

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Speaker 2: You had a guy, by the way, who's bought multiple

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Speaker 3: He owns a couple Bougattis and he said he's always

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Speaker 2: That's that's just crazy smart. By the way, what do

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Speaker 3: Is it?

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Speaker 2: You said hybrid? So it's not just electric? And rolls Royce.

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Speaker 2: less than three hundred mile range on the Specter over

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Speaker 2: the last couple of days, which is their electric car

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Speaker 2: that's coming. That's lame, and it would be so much

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Speaker 2: cooler if it were a hybrid, especially with the rules,

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Speaker 2: the Chirones powertrain the hybrid?

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Speaker 3: What I've been told from sources close to the matter

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Speaker 3: this new vehicle, which is a completely new vehicle. It's

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Speaker 3: not a next generation, it's a completely new vehicle. And

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Speaker 3: apparently the hybrid capabilities are on another level. It's not

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Speaker 3: pure electric, but you know, close to the equivalent of

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Speaker 3: two thousand horsepower all in all combined. Now, this is

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Speaker 3: But I mean, this plays right into your hand, Matt.

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Speaker 1: Would love you, Matt. I'm very surprised you and Matte

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Speaker 2: Now I'm hoping that's all been a ruse wow, and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, why put your best foot forward with

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Speaker 2: see him. And I don't know how old Delreian. They

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00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,200
Speaker 2: must be as almost as old as me, so very old.

438
00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,240
Speaker 2: I love the stainless deal. Look, apparently they've had trouble

439
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,520
Speaker 2: because of the glare, like it gives us so much

440
00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:44,240
Speaker 2: glare that it's problematic. And so the designer he wrapped

441
00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,720
Speaker 2: one in Matt Black, I think he did a horrible

442
00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:51,520
Speaker 2: job of the rap. He left bubbles and tears in it,

443
00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,160
Speaker 2: and then he drove it to a big event, so

444
00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:58,639
Speaker 2: everybody was like, even the wrap sucks. But I'm hoping

445
00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,359
Speaker 2: it's going to be cool because it's just a different

446
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,480
Speaker 2: take on number one on on cars, Like, you haven't

447
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,439
Speaker 2: seen that kind of design. It is very like Glorian Countosh,

448
00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 2: this kind of brutalist you know, no curves, straight lines.

449
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,840
Speaker 2: I like that, and it's it's different from other Tesla's.

450
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,520
Speaker 2: Like my problem with Tesla. The Model S if you

451
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,000
Speaker 2: look at it for a while, can be a beautiful vehicle,

452
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,560
Speaker 2: but then the rest of them all look kind of

453
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:30,040
Speaker 2: the same, like just different versions of the Model S

454
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,320
Speaker 2: and then it makes all of them suck in a way.

455
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Speaker 1: Let me get this straight, just so I am clear.

456
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Speaker 3: So you think the Model S is potentially beautiful, but

457
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,639
Speaker 3: you do not like the curvature on like a Mercedes

458
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Speaker 3: S class.

459
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 2: I don't actually, I don't like the curvy Mercedes design language.

460
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 2: That's not I mean on the eye.

461
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 1: Kind of look like lozenges.

462
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:57,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the Tesla, I think the models because it's

463
00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:02,160
Speaker 2: stretched out more and it's got a longer nose, it's sleek.

464
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 2: It looks a little bit like it's got that Jaguar

465
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 2: Aston Martin kind of design line.

466
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Speaker 3: No way, you're comparing a Tesla to an Aston Martin.

467
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 2: No way. No, And in a way it looks kind

468
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 2: of I.

469
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,879
Speaker 1: Think the sleep deprivation is getting to you.

470
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,159
Speaker 2: It could be just a kid and on Saturday and

471
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,119
Speaker 2: I haven't slept for more than three hours. Anyway. My

472
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,439
Speaker 2: point is they all look alike, and that makes me

473
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,679
Speaker 2: not even like the one that could look the best.

474
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,119
Speaker 2: So I think it's cool that they're making something that

475
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 2: looks totally different. You know, this doesn't look like any

476
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 2: other Tesla's or any other cars.

477
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I do think the Delorean's a good comparison.

478
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,440
Speaker 3: But also look at what happened with DeLorean the company

479
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 3: and DeLorean the man. They also were swindlers, and I

480
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 3: hate the feeling that someone is swindling me and my

481
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:55,199
Speaker 3: friends out of our hard earned money. And it just

482
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 3: feels a little like, Wow, you promise this in twenty nineteen.

483
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,199
Speaker 3: You promised it by twenty twenty one. It's now almost

484
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. The examples we've seen look like trash cans.

485
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 1: I just feel like, how dumb do you think we are?

486
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, fair fair point, fair point. Well

487
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 2: it'll be interesting. I mean, the production nightmare is I

488
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 2: think a huge part of the story. Right now, He's

489
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,640
Speaker 2: got a million pre orders or reservations, but those will

490
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 2: probably cancel a lot of them as they realize it's

491
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 2: going to be years before they get it.

492
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm going to buy you for Christmas?

493
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,640
Speaker 2: I just had a great cyber truck reservation.

494
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 3: No, there's a cyber truck can opener for fifty dollars

495
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:42,680
Speaker 3: on the Tesla website.

496
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Speaker 2: I saw that, did you. Yeah, and a couple beers

497
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Speaker 2: have cyber Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The beer Stein. I mean for the truck lover in

499
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Speaker 1: your life.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it'll be interesting to see if

501
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 2: the cyber truck is for the truck lover in your life,

502
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 2: because what can you really do with it? Apparently has

503
00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,880
Speaker 2: a pretty big bed. You can fit like a four

504
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 2: if I eight sheet applywood in there if you have

505
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 2: the tailgate down and it has a tiny little fronk.

506
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 2: But you know, it can tell eleven thousand pounds. I

507
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 2: think I've heard, and it's gonna be light. It's gonna

508
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 2: be less than seven thousand pounds, according to an insider

509
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 2: who leaked the details, like last week, and okay, seven

510
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 2: thousand pounds is very heavy compared to other cars. But

511
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 2: like I was saying earlier, compared to a Hummer or

512
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 2: the Chevy Silverado Electric version or Phil, Yeah, it's it's

513
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 2: much lighter.

514
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Speaker 1: Your voice kind of went up on the end there, like, Yo,

515
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 1: it's much lighter.

516
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 2: Maybe there's a maybe maybe, you know, I think it's

517
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 2: probably not gonna have nearly as much range as those

518
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,880
Speaker 2: But actually the best thing about Tesla compared to all

519
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 2: of the competitors is that it has better range. We

520
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 2: talk about the Audi you know that have horrible range,

521
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 2: the Rolls Royce is gonna have less than three hundred

522
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,959
Speaker 2: I should say horrible, Sorry Audi, but they have low range,

523
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 2: and these Teslas have had a lot of range for

524
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:56,640
Speaker 2: a long time.

525
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Speaker 3: And I do think that the Cyber, if I'm remembering

526
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 3: this right, will be Tesla's first high voltage vehicle, which

527
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 3: does give the benefit of faster charging. Now, obviously Portia

528
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 3: and Hyundai have already done that, but for Tesla it's

529
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 3: a big thing. I do think it's a bad sign

530
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 3: that Ford is walking back targets for their electric truck,

531
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 3: and when Ford has the best selling truck in the

532
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 3: country and they're walking back targets for their electric truck. Again, like,

533
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 3: I don't know if truck a lot of truck owners

534
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 3: are looking to buy an electric NFLA truck you know

535
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 3: better than.

536
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 2: Me, No, I don't think so. It's not like people

537
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 2: are gonna switch over from an F one to fifty.

538
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 2: It's hard enough to upsell them on the lightning. It's

539
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,360
Speaker 2: not like they're gonna buy a Tesla because they want

540
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 2: something that looks like a truck. You know, all right,

541
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 2: what do you have coming up? Do you have any uh?

542
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 3: Oh, you know what I'm doing next week? What I'm

543
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 3: going to go drive the nine to eleven ST.

544
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 2: Okay, So the nine to eleven ST.

545
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 1: We discussed this.

546
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Speaker 2: What exactly is it? I mean, is it just like

547
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 2: the most perfect nine to eleven and they charge an

548
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 2: extra hundred grand for it?

549
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: Well? I think so.

550
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 3: So this is supposed to be like the top end

551
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 3: of their top end. It's a three hundred thousand dollars

552
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 3: version of the nine to eleven. It's not the most powerful,

553
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 3: it's not the fastest, but it's a special car with

554
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 3: a special livery that sort of harkens back to these old.

555
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: Nine to eleven s.

556
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 3: Is a nine to eleven t's that were raced in

557
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 3: the sixties, and the ST was not a factory car,

558
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 3: but you could kind of spec your car to be

559
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 3: what people would sort of colloquially call an ST. So

560
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 3: this particular car is celebrating the sts from the sixties

561
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 3: that were really fast and that people raced you know,

562
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 3: it has just over five hundred horse power. It's not

563
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 3: like the most powerful.

564
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 2: Car, but it is naturally aspirated.

565
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 3: Exactly great point, and it's just sort of a beautiful

566
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 3: throwback celebration of the heritage. The guys who are really

567
00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 3: into the long lineage of Porsche racing will really like it.

568
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: It's a limited edition.

569
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 3: I think it's limited to under a thousand, so it

570
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 3: should be really special.

571
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to driving it.

572
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 2: So it's like a nine to eleven R, but maybe

573
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 2: even better because it's gonna have the newest technology, but

574
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 2: they can make you not notice that, which I think

575
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 2: is the point of the R and the point of

576
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 2: this as well.

577
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 3: I feel like i've seen on Instagram you've been really

578
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 3: heavily watching some motorcycle races.

579
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: Ah. Yeah, I do want to talk about motorcycles for

580
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 2: a minute, even though a lot of car people don't care.

581
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 2: The season of MotoGP ended while my wife and I

582
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 2: were having a baby in the hospital. I brought my

583
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 2: iPad I have MotoGP dot com, so we watched on

584
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 2: Saturday before her delivery, we watched the sprint race, and

585
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 2: then on Sunday, after we had the baby, we watched

586
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 2: the race race and Dukati one again Peko Banyaya defended

587
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,360
Speaker 2: his championship. It was very cool. But the most exciting

588
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 2: thing about motor GP is this new season kicked off

589
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 2: on Tuesday where testing and Mark Marquez, who is one of,

590
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 2: if not the greatest motorcycle race driver of all time,

591
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 2: quit Honda where he'd been forever and has twitched to

592
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 2: Gerzini Dukati. So he got on a Dukati on Tuesday

593
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 2: and was one of the fastest riders on track. Wow

594
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 2: on his first day. Wow, it's gonna be awesome.

595
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: What a talent, What a talent?

596
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: No one cares about that. Also, o KTM is putting

597
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 2: out a new thirteen hundred and fifty cc version of

598
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 2: the super Duke. It's called the thirteen ninety, which annoys

599
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 2: the hell out of me. Why because it's thirteen hundred

600
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 2: and fifty ccs, Why is it called a thirteen ninety?

601
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 2: Ducatti does this too. It annoys me that when the

602
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 2: nomenclature should fit with the motor, and in the past,

603
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 2: right with Ferraris and with BMW's, you could always tell

604
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 2: what the motor was by the nomenclature. And they've all

605
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 2: broken away from that.

606
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 3: It would be nice if they would help us remember

607
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 3: what we're talking about. Just make it easy on us

608
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 3: if you know to your point it's exactly right. Just

609
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 3: say what the engine is and the name or whatever

610
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 3: so I can remember it easier.

611
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 2: All right, Well, yeah, I'm excited about those things, but

612
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 2: really looking forward to your nine to eleven test drive.

613
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 2: I'll be watching your Instagram account, Hannah pictures of the car.

614
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: What is your Instagram account?

615
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 3: It's Hannah Elliott XO. That's Hannah with an h Elliott

616
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 3: with two l's, two teas.

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00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 2: But only one XO on the end, the only one XO.

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00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: That's all it takes, all right.

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Speaker 2: Mine is Matt Miller nineteen seventy three across every kind

620
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 2: of social media platform, but I barely pay attention because

621
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 2: I'm a dad and I'm usually changing diapers or just

622
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 2: hanging out in the garage trying to escape from my

623
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 2: fatherly duties. We can be heard on Apple, on Spotify,

624
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 2: or any place you download your podcast. Every Saturday morning

625
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 2: we drop a new edition of Hot Pursuit, so tune

626
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 2: in next time.

627
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