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Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Plague Gear. It's a plague here and we're

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Speaker 1: all gonna die. We're not everybody staying ho everybody staying home.

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Speaker 1: Everybody what you can from home, home, grosery store and

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Speaker 1: unless you want to get sick, that's going to be

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Speaker 1: a nightmare. Well everybody, Hi, the Worst Year Ever? And

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Speaker 1: it sure is. The podcast lives up to its motherfucking name.

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Speaker 1: I did it. I'm sorry. We take full responsibility. People

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Speaker 1: have treated at us and do and like Instagram just

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Speaker 1: being like you guys were right. How did you know?

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, Like, as the person who named

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Speaker 1: the podcast and who came out with like a disaster

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Speaker 1: podcast last year telling everyone to buy stored food, I

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Speaker 1: had no idea it would get this bad. Um. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's bad. I tweeted this in the last week

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Speaker 1: and I'm not saying this to be alarmist for anybody.

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Speaker 1: We're fine, but in the past week we've lost two

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Speaker 1: big sponsors and are getting evicted from our office for

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Speaker 1: some more news. So it's cool. I mean, we've got

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Speaker 1: some time, got a month and a half to get

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Speaker 1: out of there. But it was just wild because, um,

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Speaker 1: news stuff in a d U I class and uh,

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Speaker 1: the guy that runs the company is pretty I know,

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Speaker 1: I know. It's very Yeah, I mean it's a helpful

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Speaker 1: resource for people that want to drive to punk. But

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Speaker 1: he's old and his wife is really immunal compromised, and

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Speaker 1: his doctor said that even before the mandated shutdowns that

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Speaker 1: he needed to not be working with people. Uh, and

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Speaker 1: then also the courts, you know, and he figured there's

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Speaker 1: upping his retirement and we got to find a new office. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: Ship's crazy out there is much more real ways than that.

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Speaker 1: But I was just blown away by how fast it happened.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing how quickly things can change. Um, And it's like,

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Speaker 1: none of us know how this is going to affect

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Speaker 1: our particular industry of making podcasts for people, which I'm

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Speaker 1: sure is not any of the listeners primary concern. But

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Speaker 1: but I think one thing we can all be certain

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Speaker 1: will be there to talk on microphones about it. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: We're not going anywhere. That's the beauty of this industry

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Speaker 1: is we are all in our own homes right now recording. Uh.

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Speaker 1: We are planning to release content for you guys all

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Speaker 1: week between our various shows. We'll be here doing a

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Speaker 1: couple episodes of Worce youre ever, we'll be doing a

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Speaker 1: behind the Bastards even more news too. H Yeah. If

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Speaker 1: I got this gear. We have a backup plan, um,

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Speaker 1: which is I kidnapped Daniel at gunpoint and we just

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Speaker 1: make him essentially like what do you call labor without

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Speaker 1: pay to edit the podcast? I forget that. That's okay,

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Speaker 1: Will That idea hasn't been around long enough for there

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Speaker 1: I will pay him in flushable butt wipes. Toilet paper

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Speaker 1: I've I've got packages and packages arriving hopefully this week.

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Speaker 1: If unless the mail service goes billy up there, it's

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Speaker 1: You could always just rinch your body butt off in

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Speaker 1: say one positive thing before we start talking about the debate. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And like, I like what Biden tweeted, like go out

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Speaker 1: and if you're if you have symptoms, don't and maybe

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Speaker 1: do absent val but like, horrible, he Biden. You are

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Speaker 1: in front of the country and you're doing you're you're

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Speaker 1: directly like you're trying, like the whole one of the

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Speaker 1: things we're supposed to be pissed about, right, is that

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump countermanded science for so long and failed as

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Speaker 1: a result. And you're getting up there and you're like

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Speaker 1: you're saying they yeah, it's wild and like and then you.

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Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of this um from like Biden Twitter.

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Speaker 1: I guess um of like, oh, all the Bernie folks

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Speaker 1: are like trying to cancel the elections because they don't

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Speaker 1: believe in democracies. Like we're like, what are you talking about? Literally,

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Speaker 1: like we're just repeating what scientists say about this. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And then the other thing we're seeing, For example, I

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Speaker 1: believe it was Arizona when they were talking about their

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Speaker 1: polling stations and through his state it trying to justify

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Speaker 1: why they're shutting down so many stations. They flat out

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Speaker 1: they flat out do not have the resources to keep

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Speaker 1: it clean. So people are going to be packed in

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Speaker 1: too far fewer polling locations. It's a nightmare. It's a nightmare.

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Speaker 1: Delay the primaries, extend mail in voting. This is crucial

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Speaker 1: and so irresponsible that we're not that more states aren't

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Speaker 1: taking steps to address this right now. I'm curious you

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Speaker 1: would think that in an election like this where it's like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not necessarily a referendum on medicare for all,

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Speaker 1: but it kind of is. I mean, it's a key

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Speaker 1: issue here. Uh, curious to see how a global pandemic

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Speaker 1: affects that in these remaining states. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it's enough to bring Bernie back up into a competitive

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Speaker 1: range with Biden, like will happen, but I I feel

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Speaker 1: like it won't. UM. My suspicion is that I think

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Speaker 1: this will continue to push and convert more people to

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Speaker 1: medicare for all. I think we can get. I think

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Speaker 1: within the next year we can actually get concessions out

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Speaker 1: of the ruling class, so to speak, in this country

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Speaker 1: that we would have thought were decades away, including stuff

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Speaker 1: like universal paid sickly. But I do think we have

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Speaker 1: a shot to make some major progress before the election happens. Um.

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Speaker 1: And I do think we owe it to ourselves for

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Speaker 1: like the sacrifices people are making now, and to the

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Speaker 1: folks that die to fight like a son of a

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Speaker 1: bitch for all of those things. I think those five

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Speaker 1: demands are a great place to start. And I think

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Speaker 1: people there's a tendency when this ball get those balls

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Speaker 1: already rolling, but as it rolls along, there's gonna be

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Speaker 1: tendencies both to be like, we shouldn't go for this

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Speaker 1: thing because what we really want is more extensive. And

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Speaker 1: I think that that's um that should be fought against

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Speaker 1: we we take what we what we need in pieces

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Speaker 1: if we have to, and commit ourselves to getting all

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Speaker 1: of it as soon as we can call out out

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Speaker 1: of their fucking hands. I think that we're going to

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Speaker 1: come through this crisis with more leverage in general we need.

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Speaker 1: We've talked a lot about that at the d n C. Like,

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Speaker 1: especially when we get to the convention over the summer,

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Speaker 1: where you know, the party decides on the platform. This

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Speaker 1: will have just come through all of this. People will

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Speaker 1: be angry, rightfully, and and we will need to take

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Speaker 1: some bold, decisive actions, not plenty bold bold to address

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Speaker 1: the fallout from this. And I do think that we

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Speaker 1: will have a lot more leverage in a lot more sway,

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Speaker 1: and it would Yeah, I do think one thing this

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Speaker 1: has made very clear, um, is that and again, like

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Speaker 1: I'm frustrated with Biden deeply, but it has made clear

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Speaker 1: that there is a difference between having generic Democrat sitting

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Speaker 1: in the White House and Donald Trump. Um. Generic Democrat

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Speaker 1: does a lot of things that I don't like and

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Speaker 1: continues a lot of problems and would need to be

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Speaker 1: fought on a lot of things, including climate change. But

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Speaker 1: generic Democrat doesn't botch the plague response like this, UM,

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Speaker 1: And we can kind of tell that from the last

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Speaker 1: time there was an attempted plague in this country for

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Speaker 1: the last couple of times. Um. You know, attempted plague

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Speaker 1: is a weird term, but like one of the things

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Speaker 1: it has because I've been going through that thing everyone's

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Speaker 1: been going through. Who's like more on the far left

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Speaker 1: side of things, which is like do I vote for Biden?

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Speaker 1: Like as frustrated as I am right now, and I've

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Speaker 1: always leaned on the side of like, yes, you vote

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Speaker 1: for the least harm. It's it's like when your friends

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Speaker 1: starts doing heroin, right, you may not approve of them

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Speaker 1: doing heroin, but you try to make sure that basic

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Speaker 1: safety precautions are available. You get some narcan, you don't

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Speaker 1: enable them, but you try to make sure that the

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Speaker 1: harm is mitigated. And I think in this Hillary Clinton

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Speaker 1: would not have botched the plague response like this, um,

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Speaker 1: because she's she's, for all of her many many flaws,

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Speaker 1: not a fool or a lunatic who wants a plague

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Speaker 1: to sweep through the country because she doesn't trust basic science,

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Speaker 1: and because she's trying to make it look at herself

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Speaker 1: for re election. Yeah, this would have been handled not

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Speaker 1: because she or Obama before her, or Biden potentially are

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Speaker 1: like super capable geniuses, but because they have a basic

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Speaker 1: minimum level of competence, yeah, which is not present and

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Speaker 1: needs to be present for our safety. And so you

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Speaker 1: shouldn't have fired and gutted the CDC and canceled the

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Speaker 1: pandemic and fired the whole pandemic response in it. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The former head of that wrote a column for The

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Speaker 1: Washington Post that folks should read, by the way, it's

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Speaker 1: a good Yeah. So I guess I'm I'm making I

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Speaker 1: want to make it very clear if I have to vote,

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Speaker 1: you know, for Biden, who's certainly not my choice in November,

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Speaker 1: I will and I will primarily be thinking about, well,

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Speaker 1: let's not have another plague. Yeah yeah, And that should

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Speaker 1: be his slogan if there is another plague, I will

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Speaker 1: prevent the plague. This has been a good show of

533
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: like could it really get worse from like just the

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00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: rampant corruption and like double dealing and passing of like

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Speaker 1: regressive and violent, hateful, religious based laws and just just

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Speaker 1: soulless laws based purely on like saving money, Like can

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Speaker 1: you get worse than what we've dealt with the last

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Speaker 1: three years, the scandals and the bullshit that cuts to

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Speaker 1: base basic service. It's nice to know that, yes, it

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Speaker 1: can be a pandemic. It's just you know, I'm not

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Speaker 1: happy about it, but it's comforting to finally have an answer. Right. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think that there's the chance, there's the slight chance, um,

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Speaker 1: because for so long, everybody, like at least in the

544
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: Republican Party, has been very um forgiving of every single

545
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: one of Donald Trump's deep, deep flaws. Um. And because

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Speaker 1: they get the judges, they get the tax breaks, they

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00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: get this, and they get that, and he has never

548
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: had to really deal with anything remotely like this. And

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00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: this lays it all out for them, like this was,

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Speaker 1: this was the concession that you made. You wanted, you

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Speaker 1: wanted your judges, and you wanted your tax breaks, and

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00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: here you have a plague. And I think that alright,

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Speaker 1: My hope is that at least some people will come

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Speaker 1: out the other side regretting that. Yeah, but it's not

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Speaker 1: I agree, And I I think I've said all I

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Speaker 1: want to say about voting here. Because this is the

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Speaker 1: debate episode, well, because this is the the I think

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00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: one thing the debate makes really clear is that either

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Speaker 1: no matter what happens, to a large extent, we're on

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00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: our own right now as people, and it's pretty much

561
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: always gonna be that way. I think the Democrats will

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Speaker 1: reduce the number of things that funk up to the

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00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: extent where we have to alter our daily lives. But

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Speaker 1: when those things happen, and they still will under Democrats,

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Speaker 1: climate change is going to present us with challenges that

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Speaker 1: a competent administration cannot avoid or defray. And I don't

567
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: think the government will be wildly more capable of those

568
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Speaker 1: things than it is now. I think we we can

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Speaker 1: continue to build in that capability and that resiliency by

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Speaker 1: demanding things like paid sick leave and stuff like that,

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Speaker 1: but we need to be getting better at taking care

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Speaker 1: of ourselves. I think the this is like the least

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Speaker 1: depressed all of the anarchist community organizers I know have

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00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: ever been, because there they are seeing more people recognize

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Speaker 1: this and be like, oh, we need to be building

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Speaker 1: structures of like mutual aid and mutual self sufficiency to

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00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: protect our communities because and it's these people who before

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Speaker 1: had this kind of gut trust in the police and

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Speaker 1: the establishments being like, oh yeah, I guess we are

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Speaker 1: fucking alone. Maybe I gotta deal with this. Yeah, Um,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna interrupt really quickly to apologize and say that

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Speaker 1: I left my computer charger at the office and my

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Speaker 1: computer will die and disconnect me from this podcast. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Everyone's very confessional in everyone's We are figuring out our

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00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: new normal. Like I said, we will be back all

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Speaker 1: week with content. The boys are going to bring this

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Speaker 1: podcast home for me, the boys and Sophie, and that

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Speaker 1: is our beach Boy cover band, Boys and Sophie, and

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Speaker 1: I'm very jealous about it. Um, but the boys, and

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Speaker 1: before that starts, they're going to give you some ads,

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Speaker 1: some sponsors. No, it was cute. Maggie's gonna bark in

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Speaker 1: the background, and uh yeah, I'll be back tomorrow and

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Item, don't don't just spend the rest of

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Speaker 1: the episode talking about how much you love me. You know,

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Speaker 1: I know you'd really hard, but we will not be

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Speaker 1: not doing that. Okay. I love you, Katie, I love

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Speaker 1: you guys. Be well be saved. Hell of an advocudelle. Ever,

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Speaker 1: don't don't. Oh my god, those products were so incredible

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Speaker 1: they knocked Katie right off the internet. Oh powerful, who

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Speaker 1: we gick a photo of this. All right, Katie, that's

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Speaker 1: our Sophie. That's just what I wanted to say. You

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Speaker 1: can you can talk about your thing now, Oh I

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Speaker 1: can talk about my thing. I want to just tendo

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Speaker 1: but that minus a coronavirus. The number one thing that

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Speaker 1: was trending after the debate was Biden specifically saying that

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Speaker 1: he would pick a female VP. I would like to

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Speaker 1: talk about that, yeah, which at first I was like,

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Speaker 1: take that, Pete Boudag, and then I was like take that, Beto.

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Speaker 1: But then I was like, m what does that really mean? Amy?

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Speaker 1: It means Amy, it means Amy. Elizabeth are so yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I mean it did fucking better be Elizabeth. It's

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Speaker 1: probably would be if it's a It's what he wanted.

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Speaker 1: So apparently he wanted He had talked about Elizabeth Warren

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Speaker 1: as his running mate if he were to run in Um,

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Speaker 1: so she is in his mind. Um it would obviously

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Speaker 1: be the smartest choice in terms of just and he

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Speaker 1: just and he just backed her and he just backed

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Speaker 1: her bill right, but he also backed Pete's Bernie's peze bill. Um.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, so I think that, uh, you know, and

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Speaker 1: we've talked about this before. My hope is that the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party has learned at least literally one thing, which

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Speaker 1: is the VP pick should maybe reach out to the

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Speaker 1: part of the party that feels constantly betrayed. And I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying who that would be. I I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I've also heard rumblings and various reporters talking about how

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Speaker 1: Amy Klobuchar is definitely in the mix, which is the

627
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 1: silliest thing I could possibly imagine. But hey, you know

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Speaker 1: who doesn't love Tim Kane? Who doesn't love Tim Kane?

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Speaker 1: We love him? What if? What if Tim Caine had

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Speaker 1: different genitals? What if? So that's the thing that was

631
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Speaker 1: very sort of a frustrating thing because I think that

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Speaker 1: uh and Bernie's actually talked about this before in interview,

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Speaker 1: is how like his criteria for um, his VP pick

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Speaker 1: would be a young progressive woman. Um Like, that's his

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Speaker 1: ideal many times he talked many, many, many, many times,

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Speaker 1: and everyone's sort of like Biden promised a woman and

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Speaker 1: Bernie hedged hedged it, and he so he doesn't cares like, well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, Nicky Haley is a woman, Like, Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: would have been it would have been better optics and

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Speaker 1: better like presented if he's like, yeah, of course I'm

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Speaker 1: going to find a progressive woman to be on the

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Speaker 1: ticket with me. Um. But because he sort of talked

643
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Speaker 1: around it, I think that was the image of it.

644
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Speaker 1: And this is one of those things where I like,

645
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Speaker 1: I I feel it feels gross to me that Biden.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Of course, it makes sense totally that

647
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Speaker 1: the VP candidate would be a woman. I assumed it

648
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Speaker 1: would be from pretty much the beginning if it was

649
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Speaker 1: a male presidential candidate just because of like at where

650
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Speaker 1: then yeah, yeah, it just made it made sense. The

651
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Speaker 1: way Biden phrased it was just kind of like a woman, like,

652
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna find a woman and I'll in that I'll

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Speaker 1: throw her in that job. Technically, tell Anne Conway is

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Speaker 1: a woman and if you consider her human, Yeah, the

655
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Speaker 1: way the way he's framed is very much like it

656
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Speaker 1: was like the binders full of women thing. It's like, yeah,

657
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna find a woman. I'm gonna do that, whereas

658
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Speaker 1: like obviously the other points like yeah, we're gonna find

659
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Speaker 1: someone who's great, and yeah, it's it was just very frustrating.

660
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Speaker 1: Also apparently I'm definitely somebody who wants progressive women to

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Speaker 1: be elected and be in office and have more positions

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Speaker 1: of power. But just blatantly saying woman is not the

663
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Speaker 1: same thing as as that. And I think that people

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Speaker 1: need to, you know, think about that when when it's

665
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Speaker 1: time to vote and when he does eventually pick a

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Speaker 1: a VP, or if Biden picks I mean, if Bernie

667
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Speaker 1: picks a VP, you just gotta think about that. It's

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Speaker 1: just saying woman does not mean the right any isn't

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Speaker 1: going to be the right woman for that job. Um.

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Speaker 1: And apparently he had planned to announce this at the debate.

671
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Speaker 1: This was something he wanted to announce as like a

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Speaker 1: big like debate announcement during it. Um. So interesting that

673
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Speaker 1: the conversation led there anyway, But whatever, who cares, nothing matters.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about something a little bit more

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Speaker 1: kind of as we roll into the latter part of

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Speaker 1: this episode. Yeah, so I was talking a little bit

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Speaker 1: earlier about like mutual aid and like, you know, a

678
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Speaker 1: famous example of it would be the Common Ground Clinic

679
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Speaker 1: in New Orleans after Katrina, which was like a bunch

680
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Speaker 1: of volunteers realized that FEMA and the government had completely

681
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Speaker 1: fucked the response and that people needed help, and they

682
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Speaker 1: established a clinic and like they were doing food kitchens,

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Speaker 1: and there were some classes and stuff, and there were

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Speaker 1: components of it that like involved armed defense against these

685
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Speaker 1: like militia groups that were wandering around the neighborhood shooting people.

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Speaker 1: Really interesting storing a very flawed thing too. There was

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Speaker 1: a lot of like like any experiment and self government,

688
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: it had its successes and its failures, but it was

689
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Speaker 1: really important kind of for laying the groundwork of what

690
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Speaker 1: future attempts at at community self aid would look like.

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Speaker 1: And now that we're entering the greatest natural disaster of

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Speaker 1: any of our lifetimes, unless you were alive in nineteen

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Speaker 1: fifty seven for the pandemic then, in which case, uh,

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Speaker 1: you are too old to be listening to this podcast.

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00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: We appreciate you, UM, thank you for listening. Please stay inside,

696
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 1: as we all should be staying inside. UM. But I

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Speaker 1: wanted to talk about the there's so in the wake

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Speaker 1: of this pandemic, a lot of different groups around the

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Speaker 1: country have been organizing mutual aid um uh responses UM.

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Speaker 1: And I found a document that not only sort of

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Speaker 1: lays out what's happening, what people can do for each

702
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Speaker 1: other without like relying on the state to to ease

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Speaker 1: UM the suffering of their communities and to help people

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Speaker 1: in vulnerable situations. UM. And it also includes like a

705
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Speaker 1: link to a bunch of different databases of UH local

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Speaker 1: mutual aid groups that have sprung up around the country

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Speaker 1: that are specifically dedicated to COVID nineteen. UM. So if

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Speaker 1: you're looking for something to do, like people are organizing,

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Speaker 1: like they're going out and helping their elderly enablers pick

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Speaker 1: up prescriptions, UM, they're doing shopping for people, like they're

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Speaker 1: they're helping to make sure that like food resources get

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Speaker 1: to where they need for folks who are broke right now. UM.

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Speaker 1: It's really important work. And if you go to bitle

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Speaker 1: slash COVID nineteen Collective Care UM, and that's like b

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Speaker 1: I T dot l y, it's a bit le link

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Speaker 1: so b A b I T dot l y slash

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Speaker 1: COVID nineteen Collective Care, it'll take you to this document

718
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Speaker 1: which is a really useful guy to read and has

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Speaker 1: a whole list of the different resources. And if you

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Speaker 1: are in need of help, you might be able to

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Speaker 1: find a group in your area who's able to deliver it.

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Speaker 1: So I really want to like push that focus on people,

723
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Speaker 1: and Robert will send me that link and I will

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Speaker 1: post it on the worst year ever Twitter. I didn't

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Speaker 1: know we had a Twitter? What what is Twitter dot com?

726
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: It's the it's the thing that people are using more

727
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: and more and more and more and more every day

728
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Speaker 1: of quarantine. Yes, that that might be the most that

729
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 1: might be worse than the actual virus in the long run. Yeah,

730
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Speaker 1: it's terrible. So every every week iPhones like tell you

731
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Speaker 1: how much screen time you have, and like, at this

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Speaker 1: point that just seems abusive. Ye, yeah, they should cut

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Speaker 1: that rude, don't tell me that ship. I already know

734
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: it's too much, so funck off. But I will say

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Speaker 1: at least at least the tone on Twitter seems to

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Speaker 1: be a little more inclusive and kind um despite all

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Speaker 1: the tribalism that we have experienced all these many years. Uh,

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Speaker 1: speaking of tribalism, I want to get back into debate

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Speaker 1: talk in this incredibly meandering discussion, because one of the

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Speaker 1: things that was frustrating to me was Joe Biden this

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Speaker 1: kind of um blanket dismissal of public healthcare. Because Italy

742
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Speaker 1: has had a really bad experience with the coronavirus, and

743
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Speaker 1: it's the fault of public healthcare, and it is not.

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Speaker 1: It is the fault of the Italian government for responding

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Speaker 1: slowly and actually locking down the country and attempting quarantines

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Speaker 1: to slow the spread of the disease. It is the

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Speaker 1: fault of media personalities in Italy who did not who

748
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Speaker 1: attempted to downplay the danger of this virus UM and

749
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Speaker 1: urged people to stay outside. It is the fault of

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Speaker 1: people themselves who chose to continue going out when this

751
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Speaker 1: was starting to tear through the country. There's a lot

752
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: of blame, but it is not on the doctors or

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Speaker 1: the hospitals. And one of the things that should be

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Speaker 1: pointed out is that it's going to be bad for Italy.

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Speaker 1: At the point that I am reading this, the latest

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Speaker 1: numbers I have are two thousand, three hundred thirty five

757
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: people hospitalized with serious symptoms UM, eighteen hundred and nine

758
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: who have died UH and more than a hundred and

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Speaker 1: twenty four thousand people tested. That all those numbers will

760
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Speaker 1: probably be higher by the time you listen to this.

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Speaker 1: But none of those people or their families are in

762
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Speaker 1: any debt over this. None of them are paying for

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Speaker 1: any of this treatment, and in some cases, doctors in Italy,

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Speaker 1: the members of this this public health one of the

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Speaker 1: most robust public health systems in Europe, the doctors who

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00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: are like in some cases have died fighting this disease.

767
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: We're just kind of slandered by Joe Biden as part

768
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: of the problem, as if like if it was a

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Speaker 1: for profit endeavor, they would have treated them better. Like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was very weird. Um, I mean it's not weird.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of to be expected these days. But like

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Speaker 1: everything that you described Robert about, like, no, here are

773
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Speaker 1: the problems. The government did this, the media did this,

774
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 1: people did this, and in this those are all things

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Speaker 1: that we are doing right now that we've expected. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: I couldn't hear you, Cody. My server just got here.

777
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: My friends and I are all having drinks as I

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Speaker 1: record this podcast, doing a sitting armed arm, clinking glasses,

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Speaker 1: rubbink necks. What were you saying, Oh, yeah, no, nothing

780
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Speaker 1: nothing important. You can't you keep doing whatever activity you

781
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: were just about to do, um with all the people

782
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 1: around you. Yeah, it's it's wild because like we're doing

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00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 1: all those things, plus we have to deal with well,

784
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Speaker 1: how are we gonna help people get the treatment they

785
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 1: need without going to debt or without paying and all

786
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: this sort of stuff. So like we have done the

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Speaker 1: things that Biden should have mentioned, and the health care

788
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: system isn't what's the problem with Italy? Um? Yeah, it

789
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Speaker 1: was weird. No, and it's it's very uh, it's very frustrating. Um.

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Speaker 1: I mean even to even today, we're still seeing people

791
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: like public officials saying, like, go to Bob Evans hang out,

792
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: you want to go, go, No fucking Sheriff David Clark

793
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: saying that like George Sorow should be investigated for stoking

794
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 1: this and people need to go out to bars and restaurants.

795
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Speaker 1: And it's because part of it is because there has

796
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: been no national directive up until like today, really is

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00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: the first time we gotten something that resembles a cohesive

798
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: message on what the entire country should do. And it's

799
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: still just recommendations, um, like, but it took until now

800
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: when like Washington, the state that's literally twenty minutes from

801
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: where I'm sitting right now, has closed every non essential business.

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00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,720
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, the city you are in right now, It's okay,

803
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 1: Los Angeles is like four and a half five million people.

804
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: If this spreads to the greater Los Angeles area, that's

805
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: about nineteen million people who will be on lockdown. That's

806
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: like one out of like seventeen or eighteen Americans something

807
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: like that. Like, it's the number of people who have

808
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: already had their lives massively altered is huge. And today

809
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: is when we we start to get a vaguely coherent

810
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Speaker 1: line from the government. It's no wonder that like all

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Speaker 1: of these bullshit grifters and preachers and stuff are There

812
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: was a horrible Washington Post article recently. I mean it

813
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: was a good article, but it was horrifying about how

814
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: like a bunch of preachers over on the East Coast

815
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: had to like or in the southeast, had like meat

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00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: and talk about what they were going to do and

817
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: expressed this like worry that one of them said something

818
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: along the lines of, I think about half my congregation

819
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: is willing to get down and lick the floor to

820
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Speaker 1: prove that this virus is a hoax. It's madness, disgusting.

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Speaker 1: Are you fucking kidding me? I'm going to just use

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Speaker 1: some ls al real quick to get that out of

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Speaker 1: my Yeah, And I wanted to read one quote from

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Speaker 1: a Jacobin article UM written by an Italian citizen UM

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Speaker 1: to Italian sentences sorry Jihancomo Gibouti and Lorenzo Zamponi. Um.

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Speaker 1: It's called Joe Biden led in last night's debate. At

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Speaker 1: least public health care is saving it from collapse, and

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Speaker 1: it it makes the point that a lot of the

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Speaker 1: flaws that are that do exist in Italy's health care

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00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 1: system and have made it more difficult um than it

831
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Speaker 1: otherwise should have been. To deal with this um where

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Speaker 1: they come from? So I want to I want to

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Speaker 1: read that bit right now. Who was the source for this?

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Speaker 1: By the way, are it's a Jacobin article UM by

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Speaker 1: two Italian writers. They're kind of a left democratic socialist magazine. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so uh to do? There are some worries over healthcare

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Speaker 1: in Italy today, and they owe precisely to the fact

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Speaker 1: that the system has been chipped away over the last

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Speaker 1: twenty five years. Indeed, Americanized in the early nineteen nineties

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Speaker 1: off the back of Clintonism. In the third way, various

841
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Speaker 1: legislative measures introduced quasi market elements into our public health service,

842
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 1: greatly weakening its effectiveness while also regionalize and control over it.

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Speaker 1: This had the effect that only the richest regions, although

844
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Speaker 1: fortunately enough now the ones where this epidemic has hit

845
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: hardly first as hit hardest first, could keep guaranteeing the

846
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 1: same standards we had all become used to. The legacy

847
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: of privatization is weakening our response to coronavirus today. According

848
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Speaker 1: to the World Health Organization, between nine and two thousand

849
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Speaker 1: and fifteen, the number of intensive care beds in Italy

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Speaker 1: more than halved from five seventy five hundred thousand to

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Speaker 1: two d seventy five. Faced with such cuts, the private

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Speaker 1: sector has contributed very little, given the difficulties making money

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Speaker 1: off these particular services. From two thousand seventeen, austerity measures

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Speaker 1: taken as a supposed response to the economic crisis meant

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Speaker 1: that Italy lost eight thousand doctors and thirteen thousand nurses.

856
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: It seems seems bad. It seems bad. Seems so when

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Speaker 1: we talk about like the role socialism has to play

858
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Speaker 1: socialized medicine, I should say, has to play in preventing

859
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Speaker 1: another epidemic like this. Another thing people bring up as

860
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Speaker 1: a counter example is that like things got really bad

861
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Speaker 1: in China, like and it is kind of this difficult

862
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: thing where like people are wrong on both sides. There's

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Speaker 1: folks who like, look at the fact that they started

864
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Speaker 1: in China and that it was, you know, such a

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Speaker 1: problem there, and we'll say that, like, well, they there

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Speaker 1: are socialist country, so like why should we do what

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Speaker 1: they're doing. And there's folks who are on the left too,

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Speaker 1: will be like, look at how perfectly China handled this,

869
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Speaker 1: And the reality is that the Chinese government did eventually

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Speaker 1: get it shipped together. A lot of very brave people

871
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 1: worked very hard medical professionals to deal with this, and

872
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: a lot of folks very grimly endured um quarantine in

873
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: order to like make the recovery possible, and they're now

874
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 1: past the worst of it. That does seem fair to say,

875
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: but uh, it was not a clean response in the

876
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 1: initial days, and it had nothing to do with the

877
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: fact that it had nothing to do with like socialized medicine,

878
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: because China doesn't actually have that, Like the Chinese medical

879
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: system UM is very largely privatized, and like, while everyone's

880
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 1: supposed to have healthcare, you get it through your like

881
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 1: your employer pays into the system to get it. So

882
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 1: if you're not employed by one of the kind of

883
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 1: jobs that's like in the official economy, you don't get healthcare,

884
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: and those companies find a lot of ways to funk

885
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: people out of it anyway, they're kind of notorious for it.

886
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: But another issue is that like China has a huge

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Speaker 1: and formal economy of stuff like uber drivers and gig

888
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 1: workers essentially, and those people don't work for a company

889
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: that like pays into that national health care thing. So

890
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: a lot of people did not have access to initial healthcare. UM.

891
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: But also you saw a lot of the same like

892
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: social behaviors um uh, A lot of the same mistakes

893
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: were made by the Chinese government as are being made

894
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: by our government now. Um we Han. The city of

895
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: Wuhan hosted the two Sessions, which is an annual gathering

896
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Speaker 1: of the regional branches of the National People's Congress and

897
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Speaker 1: the Chinese People's Political Consultive Conference UM. And like they

898
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Speaker 1: held this like after the outbreak like had happened. Um.

899
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Speaker 1: This is before they'd locked down Wuhan. But when they

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Speaker 1: knew the coronavirus was spreading, and experts that the Chinese

901
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,479
Speaker 1: media put forward said there was no evidence of human

902
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 1: to humans transitions, there was no reason to host this thing,

903
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: and of course a bunch of people who attended it

904
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 1: got sick. One city district in Wuhan held a massive

905
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Speaker 1: banquet for forty thousand families with a record breaking thousand,

906
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Speaker 1: nine eighty six dishes to celebrate the Chinese New Year,

907
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Speaker 1: and a bunch of people from that got sick because

908
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: they were all like sharing food together after this thing

909
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: was an outbreak. So part of the problem here is

910
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: less a left and right thing and more an authoritarianism thing. Um.

911
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: A fact that when you've got this strong central leadership

912
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: that needs to look good and doesn't let accurate information

913
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: filter up to it because it's an authoritarian structure. Um,

914
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 1: they make these kinds of mistakes. They're incapable, as umberto

915
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 1: Echo said, when sort of analyzing fascism, they're incapable of

916
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: accurately an analyzing the threats presented against them because they

917
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: have a fundamentally narcissistic view of the world and of

918
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: their own place. And that's true of the leaders of

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Speaker 1: the Chinese Communist Party. And it's true fucking Donald Trump. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I keep I've thought about that passage from Echo quite

921
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 1: a bit recently. Um, And they're but they're finally, hey,

922
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Speaker 1: they're finally assessing it. Well, Yeah, and China got because

923
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Speaker 1: And one thing that we should pay attention to is

924
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: that there are aspects of the Chinese medical system and

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00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,399
Speaker 1: government that allowed them to respond quickly to this. Now,

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Speaker 1: they also instituted what I consider to be nightmarish social

927
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Speaker 1: monitoring rules in order to make sure that, like, like,

928
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Speaker 1: they have apps that basically determine your risk level and

929
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: whether or not you're allowed to be outside. I don't

930
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: like that. I don't like that fuck at all. Um, terrifying. Yeah,

931
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Speaker 1: And it's kind of hard to say if it's if

932
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: that's what worked, or if they basic measure of doctors

933
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 1: flooding the region and being like, stay the fucking doors

934
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: is all that's really necessary. Um. Anyway, Cody, Hey, Bud,

935
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Speaker 1: do you wanna should we in the episode? Yes? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Should we in the episode with a little song? I

937
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,879
Speaker 1: don't see why not? Ah, boy, you guys are gonna

938
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: get so much Mando as a result of this, this

939
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: horrible plague, gonna have an album out. Yeah, it's the

940
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Speaker 1: worst year ever. We all caught a plague together or

941
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Speaker 1: not because we stayed in home home home home home

942
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Speaker 1: home home home home home home home, home home, home, Home, Home, home.

943
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 1: Stay in fucking doors unless you're like going on a

944
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Speaker 1: run or something like that's fine. Keep your distance from people.

945
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Speaker 1: You don't have to. Don't have to be a hermit.

946
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: It's healthy to get some sunlight, healthy to exercise. Just

947
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: be reasonable about it. Don't get close to people. Don't

948
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: go to bars, don't get to restaurants. Listen to what

949
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Speaker 1: doctors say. They're they're pretty pretty smart about viruses. Home,

950
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Speaker 1: stay at home, Stay at home, don't be dumb. Worst

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