WEBVTT - S2E22 Southern Gentlemen Prefer Blondes with Zuzanna Szadkowski 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:08.320 Hi and Susanna Chekhovski I played Corota on Gossip Girl, 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:18.320 and we are rewatching Southern Gentleman Prefer Blonds. Welcome back, 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:21.320 listeners to your one and only source into all things 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:25.599 gossip Grow. You know you love it. XO x O. 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:31.040 Hey guys, I'm so happy that you're joining me for 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:35.000 another episode of XO XL. I'm your host Jessica's or 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:38.040 so we're picking up today with the rewatch of season two, 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:41.960 episode twenty two, Southern Gentlemen Prefer Blondes. This is a 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:45.199 big one for love triangles. We have Serena dating Gabriel 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:48.239 who might also be dating Poppy, and of course our 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:52.520 classic Blair Nate Chuck affair. Plus none other than Georgina 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:56.640 Sparks is back with a surprising change in character, or 0:00:56.920 --> 0:00:59.720 so we think, and joining me yet again is the 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:04.440 credible A Susanna Sharkovski also known as Gossip Girls de Roda. 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:07.080 We just had such a fun time with our deep dive, 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:09.360 so we thought might as well keep it going, And 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:12.360 just like her character always listening in and hearing the 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:15.720 Upper east Side drama, Susana knows it all and has 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:19.040 plenty to share about this episode. So we're both very excited. 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:38.000 Let's hop right in and we're live. Susannah, Hello, Hi, 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:41.800 are you okay? I I still when I the countdown 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:43.840 comes on, I like still have like a little bit 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:46.679 of anxiety, like am I ready? Did I watch the episode? 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:49.040 Are my notes? Here is the guest on the other line? 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:51.720 And every time it's all fine, but I still get 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:54.680 like this, like, oh my god, there's like pressure. Oh 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:56.800 I know, it's a little nerve wracking. It's actually funny 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:59.760 because Blake Lively always had did a thing on set 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:02.440 that I always think of whenever I act, whenever anybody 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:05.360 says rolling or has a copdown, or I think she 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:08.240 used to. She used to always say, everybody tends up, 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:11.000 and it made me laugh because I was like, that's 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:13.160 what happens. Everybody's all loose and ready to go, but 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:15.800 in the minute they start rolling, it's like everything you know, 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:17.959 those nerves come and it's like funny to call it 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:20.520 out and then everybody would loosen up and have a moment. 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:24.519 Yeah feel remember her saying that that it's true though 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:27.240 it's all of a sudden like yeah, oh you gotta 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:31.440 shake shake it out. Anyways, maybe I'm just so excited 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:33.560 and nervous and like Pump that you're here. It's like 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:36.360 all the fields and vibes. I'm I'm so excited to 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:40.120 talk to you again, I know. And the rewatch. How 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:42.640 was it going back to watch? Oh man? It was 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:45.840 so funny because I haven't watched the show in the years, 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:48.120 so it's like, I, like we talked about before, I 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:49.840 did watch the show, you know, when it was on, 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:51.800 when we were working on it, so I was like, 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:53.520 you know, I was tracking it, I was a fan, 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:56.160 and then now it's been so long, so turning it 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:58.480 back on, I had exactly the experience that you just 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:01.160 that you discussed, which is I'm in love with that. 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:04.240 Like I was so into it, and then when the 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:06.799 episode was over, I wanted to watch the next one immediately, 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:09.560 and I was like, you know, this is so funny 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:11.400 because it really got me. I was like, oh yeah, 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:15.200 back to the fan mode. They really leave every episode 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:17.320 just when even sometimes now I'm like, oh, there's this 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:19.240 is going to happen, and then this and this, and 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:22.000 then they still bring you some sort of bomb at 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:24.160 the end where I'm like, what like this one with 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:28.200 the whole Poppy and Gabriel situation. I'm like, wait, where's 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:32.600 what's going to go down here? You know what I mean? Um? Okay, 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:35.840 well let's should we get into it? Yeah? Absolutely. We 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:40.520 are on to season two, episode twenty two, Southern Gentleman 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:44.760 Prefer Blondes, which is based on a movie Gentleman Prefer 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:49.280 Blonde starring Marilyn Monroe, which I just saw Blonde recently 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:51.920 and you definitely need to go and see it. It's 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:54.400 that's going to be hu see another side yeah of 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:57.480 Marilyn Monroe that I didn't really know a lot of 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:00.480 these things, but it's it's great. So, yes, have these 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:04.640 blonde icons of our time. And then I guess Serena 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:07.800 is another one. So yeah, this is true, very true. 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:11.520 And this episode with her is just I'm like nervous 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:14.160 for her because I feel like there's some shady stuff 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:17.920 about to come out. Oh man, so much. Yeah, she's 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:22.880 really in a don't you think vulnerable place in this episode. Yes, yeah, 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:26.560 her heart is just right out there. It is, Oh 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:30.159 my god. Um okay, So here's where we left off. 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:34.560 Drama came to Cyrus's passover Seder. Dan signed up to 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:37.919 cater the event to earn some money for Yale, while 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:42.680 Serena sought after Cyrus's legal advice for maybe accidentally getting married. 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:46.360 Blair tried to negotiate with Nate's grandfather to further her 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:50.599 social standing, while Nate realized his family scheming was more 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:55.160 than he could handle. Wow, yep, so and we are 0:04:56.360 --> 0:05:00.640 right and then up what we're looking at to is 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:04.720 this fantastic episode where Georgina Sparks returns to the Upper 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:09.320 east Side, which is always exciting, always undergone a major transformation, 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:12.680 which I feel like there's a surprise every time Georgina 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:17.680 is back in our midst first um and in this episode, 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:20.719 Check and Nate find themselves a pretty major crossroads in 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:23.240 their friendship as it pertains to their mutual interest in 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:29.600 Blair and Serena has some complications in her relationship with Gabriel, 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:32.880 So those are she has some some big stakes here 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:38.520 as she's a I guess, semi married woman but not 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:42.839 not really doesn't count. I guess, yeah, yeah, she's like 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:45.400 married but not married. He's with Poppy, but he's not 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:49.560 with Poppy, And yeah, you kind of said it perfectly. 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:53.760 She's just super vulnerable in this because he's obviously like 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:57.040 playing her or there's some sort of secret because where 0:05:57.080 --> 0:05:59.560 is he always going? Like where is Gabriel always going? 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:02.880 It's so hard to watch somebody, you know, like in 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:07.320 love going in committing and then everyone kind of sees 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:09.240 something that that person doesn't see. And I feel like 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:11.240 that's a play in this episode, and it has that 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:14.719 like it makes me really like empathetic with Serena, and 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:16.680 it just feels like she's in such a vulnerable place 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:18.360 compared to a lot of times she's more of the 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:22.360 powerhouse character, right, and here she's her feelings are sort 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:25.119 of laid bare, and she's she's not in control really 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:28.560 of the situation. Yeah, And you know, like when you're 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:32.600 in love or in a relationship, you kind of are 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:36.839 blinded by certain things just because your lens are different, 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:39.280 you know. And I do feel like when Chuck and 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:42.239 Blair are trying to like figure you know, they're digging 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:44.279 in and trying to figure out, like what does this 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:47.120 guy have up his sleeve because they're seeing it from 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:50.000 another lens and they, you know, Blair again is looking 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:52.480 out for Serena, which is like so funny because she's 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:54.359 always like, you guys, I'm fine, I got it. And 0:06:54.360 --> 0:07:00.640 then she needs her little buddy. Yeah, They're friendship is 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:02.760 like so funny to me because they always always in 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:05.160 the end come through for each other, which I love. Yeah, 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:07.080 and I think a friendship really has taken to task 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:09.200 in this episode because you have these kind of two 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:12.440 best friendships. You have the Blair Serena and then the 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:15.760 Chuck and Nate. So they're kind of contrasted in a 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:17.960 way because you have this It's like they're giving each 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:20.720 other tough love and they're like stepping on each other's 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:24.560 toes and it's like these two central relationships are like 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:28.120 really like brought to the flour here in this particular episode, 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:32.600 so totally it's nerve wracking. It is. It is because 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:34.640 to like I don't know if I would say like 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:37.600 the tug of war, but the whole like triangle between Nate, 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:41.280 Blair and Chuck in this episode. There's like times where 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:43.000 I'm like, I feel I'm feeling bad for Nate, and 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:44.760 then there's times I see her with Chuck and I'm like, oh, 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:46.440 but I kind of maybe want her back with Chuck. 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:49.000 But are they right for each other? But yeah, you 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:52.920 want them together. Yeah, you know, it's crazy because when 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:55.040 we last spoke. We spoke so much about de Roda 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:59.080 being a team chair if you will, and you know 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:02.080 this this kind of relationship for the Ages that is 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:06.000 Chuck and Blair, and watching this episode, I really got 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:08.880 into the Nate Blair thing, and it was something about 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:13.920 how sweet it was and how there was I don't know, 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:16.480 the kind of the chemistry between the two characters. It 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:19.360 really like kind of sold me. So I was I 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:21.320 found myself in a weird place as de Road I've 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:23.600 always been in the end sort of walked away with 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:26.040 this I love Chuck energy, and then in this episode 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:28.280 I kind of was, I was kind of getting out 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:31.720 down with the Nate Blair situation. I kind of agree 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:33.880 with you. There was like moments I'm like, wow, it's 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:35.920 I'm not saying I don't know if I'm seeing another 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:38.840 side of Nate because he's always kind of that sweet, 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:43.280 nice guy. I always feel like he's just such a sweetheart. 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:46.520 But there's something else that is like pulling me like yeah, 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:49.320 for them in a way, it's it's wild, it's awfully romantic. 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:53.400 It is. They have a couple of scenes in this 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:57.520 episode where they're facing off and he it's just it's 0:08:57.559 --> 0:08:59.720 just sweet. It's just straight up sweet and like really 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:02.439 charming and um, the way they look at each other, 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:05.320 and you know, it has like a real kind of 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:08.160 fairytale quality. And I mean as we kind of go 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:10.160 through the episode, I think, you know, that's one of 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:12.400 the things that comes up to is like I feel 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:15.480 like it's these two warring sides of Blair's personality that 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:18.000 that's kind of tug of war whether she writes a 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:20.520 fairytale or she wants a challenge. You know. So it's 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:24.120 like right, like so that kind of but the fairytale 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:27.319 is romantic with me because he's there's something about him 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:30.520 me personally. I've always just thought Chase Crawford was the 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:34.880 cutest and so I was really sold on those moments. 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:39.520 I was like always, wow, he's he's just such a doll. 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:42.839 But and you know, like there was like a New 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:45.160 York City vibe that I haven't felt. And I mean 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:47.079 I always feel the vibe of the city and the show, 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:50.760 but they were definitely filming like more downtown in this 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:53.440 Like there was a lot of soho maybe like almost 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:56.080 West Village. I was connected to like the city at 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:58.920 another level in this one. Did you feel that or no, yeah, 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:00.480 And I feel like the episode kind of opens with 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:03.199 the down the tour of downtown and going to n 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:06.120 y U and this kind of conversation that um Nate 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:08.680 and Blair have about the subway. So it's, oh my god, 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:11.720 she's like down there, which is so so funny and 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:13.560 so cute and um yeah. So I feel like New 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:16.640 York is really the full island does that play here? 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:19.240 And it's funny since I since I last spoke to you, 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:22.640 I really had the gossip girl in the brain. You know. 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:25.640 It's like kind of woke up my inner gospel spirit. 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:28.360 And part of that I realized is like my love 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:31.280 for New York. So I've lived here for you know, 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:34.280 a long time, and it's very easy to get, you know, 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:36.360 to kind of be over it and to have that 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:38.959 feeling of, oh, you know, everything's kind of difficult in 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:41.920 the city. And when I have my my sort of 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:45.120 gossip girl energy up, I started looking around. Oh no, 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:47.200 it is really glamorous and it is fun, and there's 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:49.880 so much promise and it's a beautiful time of year. 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:52.360 Now it's ball is coming. And so I've been really 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:54.679 like in a New York state of mind too. Um 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:57.160 So when So this episode kind of reminded me of 0:10:57.200 --> 0:10:59.640 why that is, because in this episode you have a 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:02.800 lot of glint in the downtown and the uptown coming together, 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:05.440 and it's funny because it's like, um, yes, we don't 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:07.880 see them outdoors so often either with like just out 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:10.600 in nature. Yeah, and Upper East Side, it's it's just 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:13.280 a different vibe. It's like very structured. There's not a 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:17.840 ton of people, right. Um, did you ever have like 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:20.840 the experience of what that they're going through with college, 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:24.319 like Dan trying to with financial stuff or like Blair 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:25.800 not getting in. I mean, I know you went to 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:29.920 a wonderful school, but like, do you have anything similar 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:32.880 to any of anyone of the characters going on? Yeah, 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:34.880 I have kind of like a personal relationship actually to 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:37.319 the n y U Columbia debate, which is that I 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:40.400 grew up in Indiana. Um, you know, I came from 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:41.760 Poland when I was a little kid, and I grew 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:43.600 up in the Midwest, and so I wanted to go 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:45.480 to New York City. That was that was all that 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:48.440 I wanted. So I was like, whatever college looks at 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:49.960 me in New York, That's where I'm going. And I 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:52.679 was like, you know, it was a diligent student and 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:55.040 I wanted to get into a good place, but most 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:57.120 important to me was location. And I got in at 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:00.080 Barnard College, which is the Women's College of Columbia. But 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:01.599 I really wanted to go to n y U. And 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:03.640 I didn't get in there, and it was like, and 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:05.640 why you just seem so much cooler to me because 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:08.760 it was downtown, and so I went so I would 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:10.800 like on that side of the point so that I 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:12.880 you know, I really loved my experience there. But when 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:14.640 I was there, I did spend a lot of time. 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:18.280 I would take the subway and go down to astor 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:20.840 place in a street, and you know, I had to 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:23.840 get my downtown n y U vibes in order to 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:28.400 feel like I was getting my full experience. But you know, 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:31.000 the financial aid question too, is huge, especially now. I 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:35.559 mean in our current political environments, all this talk about 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:39.439 loans and loan forgiveness, and you know, watching those guys 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:42.760 make those decisions about walking into these financial decisions that 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:44.520 the whole effects the whole family. And you know, I 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:48.520 felt for Dan in this UM episode because you know, 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:50.640 it's like, already so hard, You're already making this huge 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:53.720 life jump and kind of deciding what your future will be. 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:55.520 And then on top of it, you're you know, you 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:58.280 have to deal with your parents and their financial cap 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:02.280 address like that so stressful, crazy, And I do kind 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:05.240 of feel like at that age and that time in 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:10.079 your life, you don't really comprehend what the loans are 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:11.920 and what the money is because it's the first time 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:15.440 in your life that you really are seeing and having 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:17.080 to deal with it, so you you don't really know 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:19.160 the scope of like how long it's going to take 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:21.720 and what you have to earn to like make the payments. 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:24.760 It's like it is a lot, you know, and nobody's 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:26.200 like looking down the barrel of how I was thinking, 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:29.240 I'm gonna be paying these until I'm six years old, 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:32.320 That's what I mean. It's like all of a sudden, 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:35.520 you're like leaving home, leaving your parents, taking on all 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:39.240 of this huge load for the next chapter of your life. 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:42.200 And then so yeah, and I actually really love that 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:44.520 they are kind of touching on that and showing the 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:47.040 struggle of it and so that it doesn't always feel 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:49.000 like you know in movies and TV, like oh, I 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:50.559 just I got accepted and I go and here it 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:52.920 is like, because it's not like that, not for everything 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:54.240 I should say, you know what I mean, Like, I 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:57.040 like that they're kind of shining light. Also, I think 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.600 it's kind of cool in this show, like versus other 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.400 of shows where you begin in a high school genre, 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:05.320 is the fact that they let the writers and creators 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:08.600 let the cast grow up, you know, so that I 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:10.400 feel like some shows you kind of get mired downey 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:12.839 people if we leave high school, we won't have a show, 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:16.839 whereas on this show, we watched them transition and move 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:19.560 into this these college years and kind of you know, 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:22.840 become adults. So it's nice because it has that feeling 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:24.280 of like we can go in a journey with them. 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:26.920 I think. So that's kind of bold. Um. Yeah, I 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:30.560 think it's great too. It's also so funny because when 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:32.800 you play high school, a lot of times the people 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:35.440 the actors playing high school are not in high school, right. 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:39.800 And I remember like seeing someone from nine O two 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:41.400 an O or something in l A And I'm like, 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:43.560 how come they look so much older? And it was 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:45.240 because you know, the show was ten years later and 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:49.760 then they were really like playing seventeen. But you don't 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:51.600 like when you're in your living room watching it. If 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:56.080 you're not like thinking about that, it's really like through me. Yeah, 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:58.520 and you guys were all young but not you know, 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:03.760 but we were twenty yeah, except for Taylor Taylor who 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:07.520 also you know, I haven't seen the show in a minute, 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:10.520 like I said, and I was struck again by how 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:14.920 just freaking good Taylor is. She's she's so incredible, and 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:17.480 those scenes with Ruth was in this episode are so heartwarming. 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:19.640 There's such a connection with them, and it's like her 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:21.600 face is just so I don't know, she just has 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:23.840 that love that Jenny, Yeah, it's in her eyes, and 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:26.560 you know, she's just a tremendous actor. And I remember 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:28.240 working with her, not I didn't get to do it 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:30.400 very often, but I remember working with her on a 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:33.720 scene where I can't remember what the context was, but 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:35.560 we were in and out of a limousine and she 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:38.880 was crying, like Jenny was really upset, and she brought 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:42.240 it every single take, from every single angle, and I 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:44.400 just remember thinking, for a young woman, she's such an 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:47.240 accomplished actor and so she had already had such depth 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:50.360 of you know, she was able to access all of 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:53.240 that emotional life and it was really something so I 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:55.960 always admired her and I'm reminded by how good she 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:59.440 is and everyone else to watch and you know this episode, Yeah, 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:03.080 you're totally right to be as young as she was 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:05.960 and to like have the emotional roller coaster that she 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:08.280 goes on and we go with her because she's so 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:11.120 dialed in is like, first of all, not easy, and 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:13.240 second of all, when you're that young and you don't 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:15.760 even have some of the life experiences to kind of 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:20.640 dig into to find those like moments, is like what 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:22.760 you said, it's pretty rad that she just had that. 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:37.960 You know, she's extraordinary. What do you think about this 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:41.440 whole engagement thing with with Rufus with Lily, Like they 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:44.120 they're at the antique shop, they see the ring, or 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:46.840 Dan sees Rufus looking at the ring, Well, how do 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:49.560 you feel about that? I mean, it is it's always 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:52.480 weird all of the kind of cross pollination that happens 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:55.320 in this show in terms of you know that your 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:57.680 parents getting married and you're used to date your sister 0:16:57.760 --> 0:16:59.880 and all that stuff. So of course that is that 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:02.280 comes to mind, But it also was so sweet and 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:04.520 kind of heartbreaking that he's looking at that little that 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:07.600 ring was pretty cool. I mean it was very cool. Yeah, 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:09.399 and like it's not what I expected when they like 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:11.199 zoomed in on it, like when they do when they 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:13.040 see it, I was like, wait, that is not but 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:16.320 it's also brilliant because like that he can't get Lily, 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:20.080 you know, the kind of diamond that would be Lily style, 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:24.679 but he can get something really cool and artistics what 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:29.160 they like about each other, you know. Yeah, But I'm 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:30.480 like still in the back of my mind and like, 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:33.480 but where's Bart, Like is he really dad? Like I 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:37.840 can't believe he's gone art I mean, I'm still like 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:40.600 not over that. So for me, I'm like I don't. 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:42.600 Even as much as I love Rufus and Lily and 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:45.639 I really am I like them, I'm still like, wait, 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:49.000 Chuck's dad died, you know what I mean. Yeah, it's 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:51.440 it's a real big thing that happened, and like when 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:54.639 and then he just got to move on forward. But 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:57.600 it is, it's it's a little bit shocking, it is. 0:17:57.760 --> 0:17:59.840 And in this episode, Dan and Serena aren't together, so 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:01.920 kind of like okay, if you guys, if Lily and 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:05.720 Rufus want to try, okay, we have a moment here. Yeah, 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:08.439 and it's nice that they kind of immediately rally and 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:10.800 she has those great moments where she's basically like it's 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:12.919 like reverse parenting or they're like kind of giving him 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:15.440 permission to have his feelings, you know, which is so sweet. 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:17.399 But you know this is to like for me, was 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:20.240 like about Rufus and Serena both being kind of laid 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:23.280 bare because like he also it's like he goes through 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:26.880 this financial vulnerability and then that whole whether he has 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:29.639 the capacity to even make these choices like right forward 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:32.320 with Lily. So I think the two of them really 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:37.920 just like tugged my heartstrings in this storyline here for sure. 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:41.480 And also like, is there a better proposal as of yet? 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:45.040 They're all later right, right, and there were so many, 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:47.520 but I feel that there's a lot, but honestly, I 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:51.760 couldn't tell you one other than Lily and the Roda 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:55.120 had one from Vania in coming up in in season three, 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:57.920 so okay, that's right. It's very cute because he does 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:01.520 the whole one knee thing, and then there's there's definitely 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:04.600 a big proposal moment towards the end of the whole 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:10.040 season series. That's what that's Chuck and Blair for sure. Blair, Yeah, okay, 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:11.680 but I don't know about like all the other people 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:14.720 that get married, like when Lara gets married to the 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:18.600 prince a month ago and all that. But yeah, And 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:20.840 the thing it's funny is like this episode reminds me 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:24.040 too of how many people kind of came into the 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:26.680 orbit of you know, it's like you have this sort 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:30.320 of principal group of friends and then all of these 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:33.399 outsiders kind of come in and like lay claim on 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:36.040 people's hearts and like cause all the sad havoc and 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:38.439 then plot twists and sue and then they kind of 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:40.560 get you know, get dealt with and move out. And 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:42.640 so over the course of six seasons, we had so 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:46.800 many different love interests and boyfriends and and schemers and 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:49.359 right right, so it's like when you kind of think 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:52.320 of it, and on the whole it's overwhelming, but each 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:54.320 episode it kind of you know, you just gotta go 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:58.680 for the ride, for sure. Absolutely. Yeah, And like Poppy 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:01.159 is a great sample of like I mean I remember 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:04.280 Poppy from watching the show, but like I never, uh, 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:06.440 you know, ran into Poppy on set because it's like 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:10.480 these different worlds and here's just like messing up Serena's 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:13.880 life and you know, so it's interesting how many kind 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:16.560 of actors came in and out and how you know 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:19.480 you have Serena in this in this extreme situation, and 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:21.920 then by season three will have forgotten all about what's 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:27.840 his name, Gabriel Gabriel, Yeah, exactly. But certain relationships hold 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:30.880 hold true for sure. And then I feel like when 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:33.679