Speaker 1: Hi and Susanna Chekhovski I played Corota on Gossip Girl,
Speaker 1: and we are rewatching Southern Gentleman Prefer Blonds. Welcome back,
Speaker 1: listeners to your one and only source into all things
Speaker 1: gossip Grow. You know you love it. XO x O.
Speaker 1: Hey guys, I'm so happy that you're joining me for
Speaker 1: another episode of XO XL. I'm your host Jessica's or
Speaker 1: so we're picking up today with the rewatch of season two,
Speaker 1: episode twenty two, Southern Gentlemen Prefer Blondes. This is a
Speaker 1: big one for love triangles. We have Serena dating Gabriel
Speaker 1: who might also be dating Poppy, and of course our
Speaker 1: classic Blair Nate Chuck affair. Plus none other than Georgina
Speaker 1: Sparks is back with a surprising change in character, or
Speaker 1: so we think, and joining me yet again is the
Speaker 1: credible A Susanna Sharkovski also known as Gossip Girls de Roda.
Speaker 1: We just had such a fun time with our deep dive,
Speaker 1: so we thought might as well keep it going, And
Speaker 1: just like her character always listening in and hearing the
Speaker 1: Upper east Side drama, Susana knows it all and has
Speaker 1: plenty to share about this episode. So we're both very excited.
Speaker 1: Let's hop right in and we're live. Susannah, Hello, Hi,
Speaker 1: are you okay? I I still when I the countdown
Speaker 1: comes on, I like still have like a little bit
Speaker 1: of anxiety, like am I ready? Did I watch the episode?
Speaker 1: Are my notes? Here is the guest on the other line?
Speaker 1: And every time it's all fine, but I still get
Speaker 1: like this, like, oh my god, there's like pressure. Oh
Speaker 1: I know, it's a little nerve wracking. It's actually funny
Speaker 1: because Blake Lively always had did a thing on set
Speaker 1: that I always think of whenever I act, whenever anybody
Speaker 1: says rolling or has a copdown, or I think she
Speaker 1: used to. She used to always say, everybody tends up,
Speaker 1: and it made me laugh because I was like, that's
Speaker 1: what happens. Everybody's all loose and ready to go, but
Speaker 1: in the minute they start rolling, it's like everything you know,
Speaker 1: those nerves come and it's like funny to call it
Speaker 1: out and then everybody would loosen up and have a moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah feel remember her saying that that it's true though
Speaker 1: it's all of a sudden like yeah, oh you gotta
Speaker 1: shake shake it out. Anyways, maybe I'm just so excited
Speaker 1: and nervous and like Pump that you're here. It's like
Speaker 1: all the fields and vibes. I'm I'm so excited to
Speaker 1: talk to you again, I know. And the rewatch. How
Speaker 1: was it going back to watch? Oh man? It was
Speaker 1: so funny because I haven't watched the show in the years,
Speaker 1: so it's like, I, like we talked about before, I
Speaker 1: did watch the show, you know, when it was on,
Speaker 1: when we were working on it, so I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I was tracking it, I was a fan,
Speaker 1: and then now it's been so long, so turning it
Speaker 1: back on, I had exactly the experience that you just
Speaker 1: that you discussed, which is I'm in love with that.
Speaker 1: Like I was so into it, and then when the
Speaker 1: episode was over, I wanted to watch the next one immediately,
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know, this is so funny
Speaker 1: because it really got me. I was like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: back to the fan mode. They really leave every episode
Speaker 1: just when even sometimes now I'm like, oh, there's this
Speaker 1: is going to happen, and then this and this, and
Speaker 1: then they still bring you some sort of bomb at
Speaker 1: the end where I'm like, what like this one with
Speaker 1: the whole Poppy and Gabriel situation. I'm like, wait, where's
Speaker 1: what's going to go down here? You know what I mean? Um? Okay,
Speaker 1: well let's should we get into it? Yeah? Absolutely. We
Speaker 1: are on to season two, episode twenty two, Southern Gentleman
Speaker 1: Prefer Blondes, which is based on a movie Gentleman Prefer
Speaker 1: Blonde starring Marilyn Monroe, which I just saw Blonde recently
Speaker 1: and you definitely need to go and see it. It's
Speaker 1: that's going to be hu see another side yeah of
Speaker 1: Marilyn Monroe that I didn't really know a lot of
Speaker 1: these things, but it's it's great. So, yes, have these
Speaker 1: blonde icons of our time. And then I guess Serena
Speaker 1: is another one. So yeah, this is true, very true.
Speaker 1: And this episode with her is just I'm like nervous
Speaker 1: for her because I feel like there's some shady stuff
Speaker 1: about to come out. Oh man, so much. Yeah, she's
Speaker 1: really in a don't you think vulnerable place in this episode. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: her heart is just right out there. It is, Oh
Speaker 1: my god. Um okay, So here's where we left off.
Speaker 1: Drama came to Cyrus's passover Seder. Dan signed up to
Speaker 1: cater the event to earn some money for Yale, while
Speaker 1: Serena sought after Cyrus's legal advice for maybe accidentally getting married.
Speaker 1: Blair tried to negotiate with Nate's grandfather to further her
Speaker 1: social standing, while Nate realized his family scheming was more
Speaker 1: than he could handle. Wow, yep, so and we are
Speaker 1: right and then up what we're looking at to is
Speaker 1: this fantastic episode where Georgina Sparks returns to the Upper
Speaker 1: east Side, which is always exciting, always undergone a major transformation,
Speaker 1: which I feel like there's a surprise every time Georgina
Speaker 1: is back in our midst first um and in this episode,
Speaker 1: Check and Nate find themselves a pretty major crossroads in
Speaker 1: their friendship as it pertains to their mutual interest in
Speaker 1: Blair and Serena has some complications in her relationship with Gabriel,
Speaker 1: So those are she has some some big stakes here
Speaker 1: as she's a I guess, semi married woman but not
Speaker 1: not really doesn't count. I guess, yeah, yeah, she's like
Speaker 1: married but not married. He's with Poppy, but he's not
Speaker 1: with Poppy, And yeah, you kind of said it perfectly.
Speaker 1: She's just super vulnerable in this because he's obviously like
Speaker 1: playing her or there's some sort of secret because where
Speaker 1: is he always going? Like where is Gabriel always going?
Speaker 1: It's so hard to watch somebody, you know, like in
Speaker 1: love going in committing and then everyone kind of sees
Speaker 1: something that that person doesn't see. And I feel like
Speaker 1: that's a play in this episode, and it has that
Speaker 1: like it makes me really like empathetic with Serena, and
Speaker 1: it just feels like she's in such a vulnerable place
Speaker 1: compared to a lot of times she's more of the
Speaker 1: powerhouse character, right, and here she's her feelings are sort
Speaker 1: of laid bare, and she's she's not in control really
Speaker 1: of the situation. Yeah, And you know, like when you're
Speaker 1: in love or in a relationship, you kind of are
Speaker 1: blinded by certain things just because your lens are different,
Speaker 1: you know. And I do feel like when Chuck and
Speaker 1: Blair are trying to like figure you know, they're digging
Speaker 1: in and trying to figure out, like what does this
Speaker 1: guy have up his sleeve because they're seeing it from
Speaker 1: another lens and they, you know, Blair again is looking
Speaker 1: out for Serena, which is like so funny because she's
Speaker 1: always like, you guys, I'm fine, I got it. And
Speaker 1: then she needs her little buddy. Yeah, They're friendship is
Speaker 1: like so funny to me because they always always in
Speaker 1: the end come through for each other, which I love. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think a friendship really has taken to task
Speaker 1: in this episode because you have these kind of two
Speaker 1: best friendships. You have the Blair Serena and then the
Speaker 1: Chuck and Nate. So they're kind of contrasted in a
Speaker 1: way because you have this It's like they're giving each
Speaker 1: other tough love and they're like stepping on each other's
Speaker 1: toes and it's like these two central relationships are like
Speaker 1: really like brought to the flour here in this particular episode,
Speaker 1: so totally it's nerve wracking. It is. It is because
Speaker 1: to like I don't know if I would say like
Speaker 1: the tug of war, but the whole like triangle between Nate,
Speaker 1: Blair and Chuck in this episode. There's like times where
Speaker 1: I'm like, I feel I'm feeling bad for Nate, and
Speaker 1: then there's times I see her with Chuck and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: but I kind of maybe want her back with Chuck.
Speaker 1: But are they right for each other? But yeah, you
Speaker 1: want them together. Yeah, you know, it's crazy because when
Speaker 1: we last spoke. We spoke so much about de Roda
Speaker 1: being a team chair if you will, and you know
Speaker 1: this this kind of relationship for the Ages that is
Speaker 1: Chuck and Blair, and watching this episode, I really got
Speaker 1: into the Nate Blair thing, and it was something about
Speaker 1: how sweet it was and how there was I don't know,
Speaker 1: the kind of the chemistry between the two characters. It
Speaker 1: really like kind of sold me. So I was I
Speaker 1: found myself in a weird place as de Road I've
Speaker 1: always been in the end sort of walked away with
Speaker 1: this I love Chuck energy, and then in this episode
Speaker 1: I kind of was, I was kind of getting out
Speaker 1: down with the Nate Blair situation. I kind of agree
Speaker 1: with you. There was like moments I'm like, wow, it's
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I don't know if I'm seeing another
Speaker 1: side of Nate because he's always kind of that sweet,
Speaker 1: nice guy. I always feel like he's just such a sweetheart.
Speaker 1: But there's something else that is like pulling me like yeah,
Speaker 1: for them in a way, it's it's wild, it's awfully romantic.
Speaker 1: It is. They have a couple of scenes in this
Speaker 1: episode where they're facing off and he it's just it's
Speaker 1: just sweet. It's just straight up sweet and like really
Speaker 1: charming and um, the way they look at each other,
Speaker 1: and you know, it has like a real kind of
Speaker 1: fairytale quality. And I mean as we kind of go
Speaker 1: through the episode, I think, you know, that's one of
Speaker 1: the things that comes up to is like I feel
Speaker 1: like it's these two warring sides of Blair's personality that
Speaker 1: that's kind of tug of war whether she writes a
Speaker 1: fairytale or she wants a challenge. You know. So it's
Speaker 1: like right, like so that kind of but the fairytale
Speaker 1: is romantic with me because he's there's something about him
Speaker 1: me personally. I've always just thought Chase Crawford was the
Speaker 1: cutest and so I was really sold on those moments.
Speaker 1: I was like always, wow, he's he's just such a doll.
Speaker 1: But and you know, like there was like a New
Speaker 1: York City vibe that I haven't felt. And I mean
Speaker 1: I always feel the vibe of the city and the show,
Speaker 1: but they were definitely filming like more downtown in this
Speaker 1: Like there was a lot of soho maybe like almost
Speaker 1: West Village. I was connected to like the city at
Speaker 1: another level in this one. Did you feel that or no, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I feel like the episode kind of opens with
Speaker 1: the down the tour of downtown and going to n
Speaker 1: y U and this kind of conversation that um Nate
Speaker 1: and Blair have about the subway. So it's, oh my god,
Speaker 1: she's like down there, which is so so funny and
Speaker 1: so cute and um yeah. So I feel like New
Speaker 1: York is really the full island does that play here?
Speaker 1: And it's funny since I since I last spoke to you,
Speaker 1: I really had the gossip girl in the brain. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like kind of woke up my inner gospel spirit.
Speaker 1: And part of that I realized is like my love
Speaker 1: for New York. So I've lived here for you know,
Speaker 1: a long time, and it's very easy to get, you know,
Speaker 1: to kind of be over it and to have that
Speaker 1: feeling of, oh, you know, everything's kind of difficult in
Speaker 1: the city. And when I have my my sort of
Speaker 1: gossip girl energy up, I started looking around. Oh no,
Speaker 1: it is really glamorous and it is fun, and there's
Speaker 1: so much promise and it's a beautiful time of year.
Speaker 1: Now it's ball is coming. And so I've been really
Speaker 1: like in a New York state of mind too. Um
Speaker 1: So when So this episode kind of reminded me of
Speaker 1: why that is, because in this episode you have a
Speaker 1: lot of glint in the downtown and the uptown coming together,
Speaker 1: and it's funny because it's like, um, yes, we don't
Speaker 1: see them outdoors so often either with like just out
Speaker 1: in nature. Yeah, and Upper East Side, it's it's just
Speaker 1: a different vibe. It's like very structured. There's not a
Speaker 1: ton of people, right. Um, did you ever have like
Speaker 1: the experience of what that they're going through with college,
Speaker 1: like Dan trying to with financial stuff or like Blair
Speaker 1: not getting in. I mean, I know you went to
Speaker 1: a wonderful school, but like, do you have anything similar
Speaker 1: to any of anyone of the characters going on? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have kind of like a personal relationship actually to
Speaker 1: the n y U Columbia debate, which is that I
Speaker 1: grew up in Indiana. Um, you know, I came from
Speaker 1: Poland when I was a little kid, and I grew
Speaker 1: up in the Midwest, and so I wanted to go
Speaker 1: to New York City. That was that was all that
Speaker 1: I wanted. So I was like, whatever college looks at
Speaker 1: me in New York, That's where I'm going. And I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, it was a diligent student and
Speaker 1: I wanted to get into a good place, but most
Speaker 1: important to me was location. And I got in at
Speaker 1: Barnard College, which is the Women's College of Columbia. But
Speaker 1: I really wanted to go to n y U. And
Speaker 1: I didn't get in there, and it was like, and
Speaker 1: why you just seem so much cooler to me because
Speaker 1: it was downtown, and so I went so I would
Speaker 1: like on that side of the point so that I
Speaker 1: you know, I really loved my experience there. But when
Speaker 1: I was there, I did spend a lot of time.
Speaker 1: I would take the subway and go down to astor
Speaker 1: place in a street, and you know, I had to
Speaker 1: get my downtown n y U vibes in order to
Speaker 1: feel like I was getting my full experience. But you know,
Speaker 1: the financial aid question too, is huge, especially now. I
Speaker 1: mean in our current political environments, all this talk about
Speaker 1: loans and loan forgiveness, and you know, watching those guys
Speaker 1: make those decisions about walking into these financial decisions that
Speaker 1: the whole effects the whole family. And you know, I
Speaker 1: felt for Dan in this UM episode because you know,
Speaker 1: it's like, already so hard, You're already making this huge
Speaker 1: life jump and kind of deciding what your future will be.
Speaker 1: And then on top of it, you're you know, you
Speaker 1: have to deal with your parents and their financial cap
Speaker 1: address like that so stressful, crazy, And I do kind
Speaker 1: of feel like at that age and that time in
Speaker 1: your life, you don't really comprehend what the loans are
Speaker 1: and what the money is because it's the first time
Speaker 1: in your life that you really are seeing and having
Speaker 1: to deal with it, so you you don't really know
Speaker 1: the scope of like how long it's going to take
Speaker 1: and what you have to earn to like make the payments.
Speaker 1: It's like it is a lot, you know, and nobody's
Speaker 1: like looking down the barrel of how I was thinking,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be paying these until I'm six years old,
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. It's like all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you're like leaving home, leaving your parents, taking on all
Speaker 1: of this huge load for the next chapter of your life.
Speaker 1: And then so yeah, and I actually really love that
Speaker 1: they are kind of touching on that and showing the
Speaker 1: struggle of it and so that it doesn't always feel
Speaker 1: like you know in movies and TV, like oh, I
Speaker 1: just I got accepted and I go and here it
Speaker 1: is like, because it's not like that, not for everything
Speaker 1: I should say, you know what I mean, Like, I
Speaker 1: like that they're kind of shining light. Also, I think
Speaker 1: it's kind of cool in this show, like versus other
Speaker 1: of shows where you begin in a high school genre,
Speaker 1: is the fact that they let the writers and creators
Speaker 1: let the cast grow up, you know, so that I
Speaker 1: feel like some shows you kind of get mired downey
Speaker 1: people if we leave high school, we won't have a show,
Speaker 1: whereas on this show, we watched them transition and move
Speaker 1: into this these college years and kind of you know,
Speaker 1: become adults. So it's nice because it has that feeling
Speaker 1: of like we can go in a journey with them.
Speaker 1: I think. So that's kind of bold. Um. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it's great too. It's also so funny because when
Speaker 1: you play high school, a lot of times the people
Speaker 1: the actors playing high school are not in high school, right.
Speaker 1: And I remember like seeing someone from nine O two
Speaker 1: an O or something in l A And I'm like,
Speaker 1: how come they look so much older? And it was
Speaker 1: because you know, the show was ten years later and
Speaker 1: then they were really like playing seventeen. But you don't
Speaker 1: like when you're in your living room watching it. If
Speaker 1: you're not like thinking about that, it's really like through me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you guys were all young but not you know,
Speaker 1: but we were twenty yeah, except for Taylor Taylor who
Speaker 1: also you know, I haven't seen the show in a minute,
Speaker 1: like I said, and I was struck again by how
Speaker 1: just freaking good Taylor is. She's she's so incredible, and
Speaker 1: those scenes with Ruth was in this episode are so heartwarming.
Speaker 1: There's such a connection with them, and it's like her
Speaker 1: face is just so I don't know, she just has
Speaker 1: that love that Jenny, Yeah, it's in her eyes, and
Speaker 1: you know, she's just a tremendous actor. And I remember
Speaker 1: working with her, not I didn't get to do it
Speaker 1: very often, but I remember working with her on a
Speaker 1: scene where I can't remember what the context was, but
Speaker 1: we were in and out of a limousine and she
Speaker 1: was crying, like Jenny was really upset, and she brought
Speaker 1: it every single take, from every single angle, and I
Speaker 1: just remember thinking, for a young woman, she's such an
Speaker 1: accomplished actor and so she had already had such depth
Speaker 1: of you know, she was able to access all of
Speaker 1: that emotional life and it was really something so I
Speaker 1: always admired her and I'm reminded by how good she
Speaker 1: is and everyone else to watch and you know this episode, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're totally right to be as young as she was
Speaker 1: and to like have the emotional roller coaster that she
Speaker 1: goes on and we go with her because she's so
Speaker 1: dialed in is like, first of all, not easy, and
Speaker 1: second of all, when you're that young and you don't
Speaker 1: even have some of the life experiences to kind of
Speaker 1: dig into to find those like moments, is like what
Speaker 1: you said, it's pretty rad that she just had that.
Speaker 1: You know, she's extraordinary. What do you think about this
Speaker 1: whole engagement thing with with Rufus with Lily, Like they
Speaker 1: they're at the antique shop, they see the ring, or
Speaker 1: Dan sees Rufus looking at the ring, Well, how do
Speaker 1: you feel about that? I mean, it is it's always
Speaker 1: weird all of the kind of cross pollination that happens
Speaker 1: in this show in terms of you know that your
Speaker 1: parents getting married and you're used to date your sister
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. So of course that is that
Speaker 1: comes to mind, But it also was so sweet and
Speaker 1: kind of heartbreaking that he's looking at that little that
Speaker 1: ring was pretty cool. I mean it was very cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and like it's not what I expected when they like
Speaker 1: zoomed in on it, like when they do when they
Speaker 1: see it, I was like, wait, that is not but
Speaker 1: it's also brilliant because like that he can't get Lily,
Speaker 1: you know, the kind of diamond that would be Lily style,
Speaker 1: but he can get something really cool and artistics what
Speaker 1: they like about each other, you know. Yeah, But I'm
Speaker 1: like still in the back of my mind and like,
Speaker 1: but where's Bart, Like is he really dad? Like I
Speaker 1: can't believe he's gone art I mean, I'm still like
Speaker 1: not over that. So for me, I'm like I don't.
Speaker 1: Even as much as I love Rufus and Lily and
Speaker 1: I really am I like them, I'm still like, wait,
Speaker 1: Chuck's dad died, you know what I mean. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's a real big thing that happened, and like when
Speaker 1: and then he just got to move on forward. But
Speaker 1: it is, it's it's a little bit shocking, it is.
Speaker 1: And in this episode, Dan and Serena aren't together, so
Speaker 1: kind of like okay, if you guys, if Lily and
Speaker 1: Rufus want to try, okay, we have a moment here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's nice that they kind of immediately rally and
Speaker 1: she has those great moments where she's basically like it's
Speaker 1: like reverse parenting or they're like kind of giving him
Speaker 1: permission to have his feelings, you know, which is so sweet.
Speaker 1: But you know this is to like for me, was
Speaker 1: like about Rufus and Serena both being kind of laid
Speaker 1: bare because like he also it's like he goes through
Speaker 1: this financial vulnerability and then that whole whether he has
Speaker 1: the capacity to even make these choices like right forward
Speaker 1: with Lily. So I think the two of them really
Speaker 1: just like tugged my heartstrings in this storyline here for sure.
Speaker 1: And also like, is there a better proposal as of yet?
Speaker 1: They're all later right, right, and there were so many,
Speaker 1: but I feel that there's a lot, but honestly, I
Speaker 1: couldn't tell you one other than Lily and the Roda
Speaker 1: had one from Vania in coming up in in season three,
Speaker 1: so okay, that's right. It's very cute because he does
Speaker 1: the whole one knee thing, and then there's there's definitely
Speaker 1: a big proposal moment towards the end of the whole
Speaker 1: season series. That's what that's Chuck and Blair for sure. Blair, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: but I don't know about like all the other people
Speaker 1: that get married, like when Lara gets married to the
Speaker 1: prince a month ago and all that. But yeah, And
Speaker 1: the thing it's funny is like this episode reminds me
Speaker 1: too of how many people kind of came into the
Speaker 1: orbit of you know, it's like you have this sort
Speaker 1: of principal group of friends and then all of these
Speaker 1: outsiders kind of come in and like lay claim on
Speaker 1: people's hearts and like cause all the sad havoc and
Speaker 1: then plot twists and sue and then they kind of
Speaker 1: get you know, get dealt with and move out. And
Speaker 1: so over the course of six seasons, we had so
Speaker 1: many different love interests and boyfriends and and schemers and
Speaker 1: right right, so it's like when you kind of think
Speaker 1: of it, and on the whole it's overwhelming, but each
Speaker 1: episode it kind of you know, you just gotta go
Speaker 1: for the ride, for sure. Absolutely. Yeah, And like Poppy
Speaker 1: is a great sample of like I mean I remember
Speaker 1: Poppy from watching the show, but like I never, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, ran into Poppy on set because it's like
Speaker 1: these different worlds and here's just like messing up Serena's
Speaker 1: life and you know, so it's interesting how many kind
Speaker 1: of actors came in and out and how you know
Speaker 1: you have Serena in this in this extreme situation, and
Speaker 1: then by season three will have forgotten all about what's
Speaker 1: his name, Gabriel Gabriel, Yeah, exactly. But certain relationships hold
Speaker 1: hold true for sure. And then I feel like when
Speaker 1: people pop back in, like the Georgina coming back in here,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, ship, what is what is going on?
Speaker 1: But let me ask you this. So when Vanessa's talking
Speaker 1: to Rufus about like how she's kind of sad about
Speaker 1: the sale that you know, and he's saying they might
Speaker 1: not have a buyer for a while, he really is
Speaker 1: willing to do whatever for this for his kids. Like
Speaker 1: he's like, if Dan wants to do this, I'll sell
Speaker 1: the loft, I'll sell the gallery, I'll you know, his
Speaker 1: Lincoln Hawk catalog. So like hot log, which is just
Speaker 1: so lovely. I just love that he's like willing to
Speaker 1: do that because it's for his son's future. And I
Speaker 1: just think that's very very sweet, and it's just the
Speaker 1: way he plays Rufus to like did you ever you had?
Speaker 1: I mean you had more scenes with with Matthew than
Speaker 1: you did me. You know, I can't even remember having
Speaker 1: really a scene with Matthew. I definitely worked, I mean
Speaker 1: I was definitely in the larger group scenes with him
Speaker 1: and also with Lily. Um it was like the vander
Speaker 1: Woodson's and Droda rarely ran into each other. But um,
Speaker 1: I guess that's right, he's not really good. I'm going
Speaker 1: to ask you. I mean, you had an awful lot
Speaker 1: of scenes with Matthew. And in this episode, I think
Speaker 1: Vanessa has such a she's such a moral center in
Speaker 1: this episode, like she's kind of reminding everyone, like encourage
Speaker 1: each other, give each other's you know, It's like she's
Speaker 1: there for his hard moments. And then she breaks that
Speaker 1: news to Dan. And so what was it like working
Speaker 1: do you remember this sort of storyline and working with
Speaker 1: matt as who I honestly didn't, But watching some things
Speaker 1: will be like, oh yeah, I remember that green sweater
Speaker 1: and I remember hang on the ground with pen you know,
Speaker 1: after we just like I told each other's secrets. Um.
Speaker 1: But Matthew was always so interesting and fun to work
Speaker 1: with because he's quite a character and like very funny,
Speaker 1: but just he's got this real like laid back kind
Speaker 1: of like hippie ish in a way. Yes, yes, in
Speaker 1: the best way, but just very like calm and cool
Speaker 1: and funny and like he just kind of calms you
Speaker 1: down because he's just yeah, he's very zen, very like
Speaker 1: I don't know, and I really always liked that about him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we we worked together a lot, and there was actually
Speaker 1: a moment where I'm like, are they going to have
Speaker 1: nut something happened with Vanessa and Rufus. I don't, And
Speaker 1: I really liked they're like dynamic, but I definitely was like,
Speaker 1: please don't tell me it goes there, and it never did,
Speaker 1: so I'm super proke that it didn't. Yeah, I agree,
Speaker 1: I agree. Yeah, it's funny because like Kelly Rutherford was
Speaker 1: also as a human was way more zen obviously than Lily.
Speaker 1: And I remember like often I would run into Kelly
Speaker 1: and we would be like relaxing on some of the
Speaker 1: couches on the sets or you also had a very grounding,
Speaker 1: uh grounding energy. So I think between the two of them,
Speaker 1: you know, and then kind of playing these characters, they
Speaker 1: had like a good um connected in an interesting way,
Speaker 1: and that relationship is off like cute and I thought
Speaker 1: that scene UM that it was in this episode where
Speaker 1: Serena basically brings Gabriel over to the house and it's
Speaker 1: like a double date moment and they're they're having Chinese
Speaker 1: food and they're discussing this co op meeting and cocktail
Speaker 1: party to come, and I guess Serena is kind of introducing, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, this idea to Gabriel that he could maybe
Speaker 1: get some more investors for his endeavor at this cocktail party,
Speaker 1: and you know, Lily seems on board, and uh, it
Speaker 1: was cute because the mirroring of the two couples and
Speaker 1: they're both sitting with their like hands on each other's knees,
Speaker 1: Like I never sat with a boyfriend like that. But
Speaker 1: but you know, it's a different world on the Upper
Speaker 1: East Side. But you know what that scene actually made
Speaker 1: me think of. I have this ultimate petfeeve when I
Speaker 1: watch UM movies and television, which is it happens all
Speaker 1: the time, is people are always eating Chinese food out
Speaker 1: of the container and TV and film they're always have
Speaker 1: the chopsticks and they're eating the Chinese food right out
Speaker 1: of the container and I'm like, you have to put
Speaker 1: it on the plate. And mix it up the right,
Speaker 1: that's right. And they were eating Chinese food off of
Speaker 1: plates off of nice China, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: there you go, there you go that, yes, But yeah,
Speaker 1: what's you're like speaking of like drinking and eating in
Speaker 1: a scene? What's you're like drink of choice? Like do
Speaker 1: you just do water? Do you do tea? Do you
Speaker 1: do coffee? I feel like drinking um anything when they
Speaker 1: try to make it like a certain color so it
Speaker 1: looks like, you know, brown, like red wine or red
Speaker 1: wine or something, that's always a little bit freaky because
Speaker 1: it's not has that weird flat sweet taste. So right, totally,
Speaker 1: I was I got lucky in Gospel because I think
Speaker 1: the only time a Dirotor ever drink any think was vodka,
Speaker 1: and so it was it was just water, just water. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I noticed Vanessa was drinking. Vanessa was drinking a six
Speaker 1: pack in this episode of playing it. And then also
Speaker 1: there was that weird arrant bottle of vodka sitting next
Speaker 1: door too, and I was like, was that that was
Speaker 1: a backup? What's she doing? She's just coming undone this
Speaker 1: okay by the way in the loft too when he
Speaker 1: gets there and she's sitting there by herself, because I
Speaker 1: had so many scenes in that loft. I mean the
Speaker 1: first time you see Vanessa, it's up the fire escape there,
Speaker 1: and she's always there eating waffles with Rufus and they're
Speaker 1: with I'm like, that's my favorite apartment or loft or set.
Speaker 1: I mean like when I'm watching it, I'm like, that's
Speaker 1: where I would want to live. What about you? Like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I see, I was going to ask you about that
Speaker 1: stet because I had never I never set foot in it.
Speaker 1: I guess I saw from the distance on the sound stage,
Speaker 1: but you guys were really in there in this episode
Speaker 1: because we were laying on that rug and that fantastic. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Never have I ever slept with Chuck Bass. Remember after
Speaker 1: how they shot the scene when you guys on a carpet,
Speaker 1: But they were just like in a little above you
Speaker 1: and yeah, and I remember going really really slow, and
Speaker 1: I do remember my earrings like falling like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it was like really much like you couldn't move
Speaker 1: because my it would like get caught on the rug
Speaker 1: or caught on my hair. So it was like I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna not move. And you clearly see that in there,
Speaker 1: and you are like, how drunk is Vanessa right now?
Speaker 1: But she do? You don't like she was really holding
Speaker 1: on to this whole thing with Chuck, And I guess
Speaker 1: it's probably just because there's been I'm assuming so many
Speaker 1: conversations that Vanessa and Dan have had about what they
Speaker 1: don't like about Chuck, Because I'm like, why do you
Speaker 1: feel the need that you have to tell Dan that
Speaker 1: right now? You know what I mean, But I guess
Speaker 1: they're they're best friends. But I'm like, I don't really
Speaker 1: know that you needed to tell Dan that right It's
Speaker 1: such an interesting confessional quality to it, and the fact
Speaker 1: that she comes out with it so quickly and it
Speaker 1: was such a funny scene and so well played by
Speaker 1: the two of you, And I feel like your friendship
Speaker 1: Vanessa Dan friendship really resonates with me. I really like
Speaker 1: identify with it, and I feel like you got something
Speaker 1: and really right there, which is like that feeling of
Speaker 1: you know, having each other's backs in a world that's
Speaker 1: like a big, mean world and the two if you
Speaker 1: can always come together. Um so having to cop to him,
Speaker 1: I think that you had done something that was kind
Speaker 1: of humiliating really that really read to me, and I
Speaker 1: felt like it was so nice because he took it
Speaker 1: so easily, you know, and then he kind of came
Speaker 1: back with his own Cogina confession, so it felt like
Speaker 1: a really nice you know, as far as confessions go,
Speaker 1: you didn't, um, I mean had a good result, right right,
Speaker 1: you know what I wonder to like because I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm like the fact that you were holding onto this
Speaker 1: and felt the need so much to tell him, um,
Speaker 1: And I do. I do like their friendship and I
Speaker 1: do like that she she really does tell Dan everything
Speaker 1: there there. She doesn't keep anything from him. Um. But
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if they had to also tie it in
Speaker 1: because Georgina does come back in this episode, so that
Speaker 1: all of a sudden it wasn't just like her at
Speaker 1: the like we would just hear her name that yeah,
Speaker 1: because also he didn't sleep with her. Almost sleeping with
Speaker 1: someone isn't sleeping with them, right right right right? You
Speaker 1: know she slept with Chuck right twice, which white. I know.
Speaker 1: It's such a cute way to do the reveal to
Speaker 1: it the I never game and the Chugen yet real
Speaker 1: chugging and I remember that being water because I remember
Speaker 1: I was drinking so much water, and in between set ups,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, I have to run, I have to
Speaker 1: go to the bathroom. I'm drinking too much water. I'm sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys played it nicely too, because it's always that
Speaker 1: complication of like we're having some booze and then the
Speaker 1: second scene you have all the empty bottles, so you're like,
Speaker 1: you know, how how loose do we feel? How you know,
Speaker 1: how tipsy are we? And you guys it was very
Speaker 1: believable and had that nice energy of like time has
Speaker 1: passed and many right had totally in an acting class
Speaker 1: ones Howard Fine, there was like a scene where in
Speaker 1: a scene study where the actor was supposed to be
Speaker 1: really drunk, and I will never forget. One of his
Speaker 1: notes after to the actor was like, I a lot
Speaker 1: of actors make the mistake of when you're supposed to
Speaker 1: be drunk, playing into the drunk right, And he kind
Speaker 1: of said something along the lines, I mean, you can't
Speaker 1: quote it was so long ago, something along the lines
Speaker 1: of like, well, you know, when you go out and
Speaker 1: you have drinks and you may be getting a little tipsy,
Speaker 1: you don't lean into that. Usually you're trying to not
Speaker 1: be drunk, do you know what I mean. So for actors,
Speaker 1: I always find that they're they're lean into being drunk
Speaker 1: instead of feel that that but like do what you
Speaker 1: would do in life, trying to be sober right, right,
Speaker 1: trying to keep your composure and keep it together. And
Speaker 1: I always found that very interesting because it's it's true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's great. Yeah, because it's like fighting for sobriety makes
Speaker 1: you look more drunk, right, And then it's it's also
Speaker 1: like even in life, if I'm telling a story to
Speaker 1: someone and it's going to make me sad or cry,
Speaker 1: I'm trying not to cry, you know what I mean. Usually,
Speaker 1: and it's freeing because it's like now you can focus
Speaker 1: on sort of the reality of playing that instead of
Speaker 1: trying to conjure something the beyond conjuring. Yeah, that's great, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's it's funny because sometimes acting is it's like
Speaker 1: it's not easier. Sometimes it's simpler than it seems, like,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And it's like when you
Speaker 1: can track it and you're like, oh, if I just
Speaker 1: have to kind of be real and like it's almost
Speaker 1: like the study of the human life and behavior, you know.
Speaker 1: So it's mule questions like how do we how do
Speaker 1: we get through a moment, you know, And it's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's interesting. Yeah, it's so crazy what we do. And
Speaker 1: I feel like we're lucky because part of our job
Speaker 1: is like studying or being at least being present in
Speaker 1: our world so that we can kind of be collectors
Speaker 1: of experience, you know. So it's like basically we're just
Speaker 1: tasked with like being really alive. You know, you got
Speaker 1: to go out there and like keep your eyes open
Speaker 1: and your ears open, and so it's a nice um,
Speaker 1: it's a nice challenge, I think, to take in all
Speaker 1: different kinds of people who may need to access that stuff.
Speaker 1: I think it's well well represented in this episode in
Speaker 1: um Michelle Trapton Burgh's work, because she creates such broad
Speaker 1: characters and then makes a huge swing here when it's
Speaker 1: also real and just fantastic. The fact that you see
Speaker 1: this crazy, conniving villainists Georgina that we know so well,
Speaker 1: and then then she comes popping out at the end
Speaker 1: of this episode and they go to visit her at
Speaker 1: the Christian camp. Yet the Christian camp and the way
Speaker 1: she comes at Chuck and she's like all smiles and hugs.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, this extraordinary range, that's all within
Speaker 1: one human, you know, and she had she did that
Speaker 1: so brilliantly because it's like, you know all the faces
Speaker 1: of Georgina, right, absolutely, and I do. I've also she's
Speaker 1: just for me. I love when when I know she's
Speaker 1: coming back on or like obviously now she's probably going
Speaker 1: to be here for a minute because she just starts
Speaker 1: the pot and the way she plays Georgina, like what
Speaker 1: you were just saying is just so fun to watch
Speaker 1: because she's absurd. Oh yeah, oh yeah, it's yeah, it's extraordinary. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I feel like the sort of the secrets in
Speaker 1: this episode are kind of absurd, but also you go,
Speaker 1: you go with it and it feels real, Like I
Speaker 1: guess the whole kind of plot crux in this particular
Speaker 1: episode is that you have Gabriel who's not come itting
Speaker 1: and he's always kind of he's kind of leaving, not forthcoming, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: It's like there's a great thing where she asked him
Speaker 1: to go to the movies and he won't, he's too
Speaker 1: busy to go to the movies. And then towards the
Speaker 1: end of the episode, she asked somebody else to go
Speaker 1: to movies and she says to it, why won't anybody
Speaker 1: just go to the movie, And I was like, so fantastic.
Speaker 1: I was like, no one on the every side can
Speaker 1: go to the movies because she's talking. She's talking to
Speaker 1: Blair on the phone, and I think Blair is like
Speaker 1: following Gabriel run. What do you feel about like Blair
Speaker 1: and Chuck's hole plan here. I like that they're trying
Speaker 1: to get to the bottom of it for Serena because
Speaker 1: they're just looking out for her. Yeah, it feels like
Speaker 1: a good combo of like, yes, of course it serves
Speaker 1: you know, Chuck's ends, I guess because he wants to
Speaker 1: hold on to, you know, a little bit of Blair.
Speaker 1: But there is a fundamental like watching out for their
Speaker 1: friend kind of seeing that she's not seeing everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so they're basically they don't believe that Gabriel is
Speaker 1: who is is forth right, and they believe that the
Speaker 1: mystery can be unlocked if they can figure out the
Speaker 1: sort of the story of how he has Serena met
Speaker 1: because he's claiming one thing and they find out that
Speaker 1: that is impossible, so that it's this issue of whether
Speaker 1: or not they met at the restaurant. Butter Butter and
Speaker 1: Butter may or may not have been closed, right, And
Speaker 1: by the way, do you remember Butter. I was going
Speaker 1: to ask you to remind me because I think, is
Speaker 1: it not Butter is Isn't that an Alex Corners Shelley
Speaker 1: restaurant in New York City? Yeah, It's like, I feel
Speaker 1: like there's a restaurant upstairs. And then it turned into
Speaker 1: kind of a night the night and I feel like
Speaker 1: the night was Monday's okay, okay, but I also feel
Speaker 1: like it was maybe on the way out while we
Speaker 1: were doing the show. But I do remember like there
Speaker 1: was a buzz about it, like about it, and it's
Speaker 1: great in this episode because I was a little bit
Speaker 1: like Gabriel because at the end he goes, what's butter Butter?
Speaker 1: I was like, that's fantastic. But he's claiming that he
Speaker 1: met Serena at Butter the night before the s A
Speaker 1: t s right right, and Chuck and Blair put it
Speaker 1: together that that can't be possible because Blair had hired
Speaker 1: a bartender from Butter that night for a party. She
Speaker 1: was probably that you probably actually through de Rota probably,
Speaker 1: I'm sure I was. I was doing the heavy lifting
Speaker 1: um for I think she said it was the Nelly
Speaker 1: Yuki sabotage party, which, by the way, just even hearing
Speaker 1: that line, I'm like, that's such a blair line. It's fantastic.
Speaker 1: And she did always whenever she was throwing something, she'd
Speaker 1: always like get on the phone and called Rondo, I
Speaker 1: need this, this, this and this, and like you would
Speaker 1: make it happen, like you would have like these amazing
Speaker 1: musicians like playing the harp and like it's wild and
Speaker 1: then she's like, we need more people, and then like
Speaker 1: you would just you would just make it happen. De
Speaker 1: Rota made it happen. Oh yeah, I was. I was
Speaker 1: very happy to see Derota torontoa like name dropped twice
Speaker 1: in this episode. Once was for having a Grassland spy
Speaker 1: equipment and once was as a Mets fan, which was
Speaker 1: fundy to rote that she said I saw drone and
Speaker 1: her Mets hat this morning. Is that what she said?
Speaker 1: I loved it? H Yeah. So it's like, so they
Speaker 1: know that he's lying and they have to basically convinced
Speaker 1: Serena and she's consistently standing up for the guy she's saying.
Speaker 1: And trust is a big issue in this episode because
Speaker 1: she's saying, I trust I trust him, And you have
Speaker 1: Blair and Nate who are having an issue about trust
Speaker 1: as well, and so they're kind of all everybody's throwing
Speaker 1: up their trust and kind of having a trust competition,
Speaker 1: I guess, And so that's that's why I think eventually
Speaker 1: Chuck realizes that the only way they can get to
Speaker 1: the truth about Gabriel is to ask Georgina because she
Speaker 1: was present in that mysterious because Serena and can't remember.
Speaker 1: That's why Serena se I don't I really don't know
Speaker 1: Georgina Rufia. Yeah, So basically Chuck says, we need to
Speaker 1: go to the source, and then our other plotline or
Speaker 1: the episode really rears its head there because it's like
Speaker 1: you have a Nate and Chuck who are attempting to
Speaker 1: move forward with their friendship. But Nate, you know, has
Speaker 1: it locked down with Blair, but he's a little bit
Speaker 1: worried that Chuck is still present in her mind and
Speaker 1: still you know, it's still a draw. And so the
Speaker 1: fact that Chuck and Blair are on a mission to
Speaker 1: help Serena together is a little bit unnerving for Nate.
Speaker 1: So you have that kind of fourth and there's that
Speaker 1: great moment they basically have this cocktail party kind of
Speaker 1: climactic moment when Chuck says Blair, let's go and crack
Speaker 1: this mystery for Serena and Nate says, no, let's go
Speaker 1: to the apartment. I just thought you because now Nate
Speaker 1: is asked Blair to move in with him, which is
Speaker 1: a big moment. I mean, that's a big moment. It's
Speaker 1: a big moment when you're forty five, I mean when
Speaker 1: you're just leaving high school and just getting back together
Speaker 1: not that long ago. Like that's a big moment. And
Speaker 1: I don't believe I don't remember this apartment ever having
Speaker 1: a life. Is I don't either, right. I think it's
Speaker 1: like one of those things that kind of comes in
Speaker 1: and goes out. And that's another like kind of fun
Speaker 1: fact in our world and entertainment. Like I think you're right,
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a life in this apartment. But
Speaker 1: like they had to like rent that place for that
Speaker 1: one scene or two scenes because I don't think she
Speaker 1: ever ended up going to it, did she or did
Speaker 1: she end yet? I'm pretty sure it's like one of
Speaker 1: those things. It's a mystery that we have this and
Speaker 1: then he must offloaded it on the in between episodes,
Speaker 1: because that's it's you know, she does come over and
Speaker 1: say that she doesn't like murray Hill. Well, that's right,
Speaker 1: that's so maybe that's just so maybe he just went
Speaker 1: and sold it so Chuck. He brings Chuck to that apartment,
Speaker 1: and then he brings Blair, so that was probably. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they rented the place for a day, shot the two scenes,
Speaker 1: and then it was done. But that's to me, that's like,
Speaker 1: you know, you don't think about that stuff when you're
Speaker 1: watching when you're watching it, so tell me, like, that's wild. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: and that's just one There was two minutes of the
Speaker 1: whole show, not even Yeah, it's also rare. I think
Speaker 1: that's maybe one of the things you were saying earlier
Speaker 1: about the New York five in this episode is that
Speaker 1: you get that fantastic like view from midtown in that
Speaker 1: particular apartment that usually you're either uptown or in Brooklyn,
Speaker 1: and here you had this like feeling of like, wow,
Speaker 1: look at how huge overwhelming, and Blair needs to chill
Speaker 1: because murray Hill is nice, really nice, and it was
Speaker 1: very sweet at him. And you know the other thing
Speaker 1: is that he had he brought those Like when she
Speaker 1: brought her in, there were paeonies, her favorite peonies and
Speaker 1: all this stuff, and it was like so cute. So
Speaker 1: for me, it's that thing, like it's the two sides
Speaker 1: of Blair. It's like, do you want this to be
Speaker 1: treated like this and have this kind of steady, you know,
Speaker 1: nice easy romance or do you want to keep Chase
Speaker 1: and Chuck around and you know and limas and into
Speaker 1: into you know, for lack of better word, into danger.
Speaker 1: And I feel like that's what we grapple with throughout
Speaker 1: the series with Blair. It's like who is she and
Speaker 1: who does she want to be? Right? Gossip Girl even
Speaker 1: says Netflix night with Nate or battling a beast with
Speaker 1: Bass that think like when Nate, when Nate was presented
Speaker 1: with this conundrum at the party and where's like I
Speaker 1: want to go with Chuck to do this thing? Do
Speaker 1: you think Nate sort of makes the right call? Is
Speaker 1: he fault in any way for kind of what what
Speaker 1: am I saying? Go? Yeah, but kind of not Like
Speaker 1: to me, it seemed like maybe one thing that he
Speaker 1: could have done is to be like, let me help
Speaker 1: you guys, But you know, there's this feeling of like
Speaker 1: it's me or it's him, and it's like, who's fault
Speaker 1: is that? I guess it's my question. Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: I feel like it was like very big of him
Speaker 1: and very trustworthy to be like, yeah, go with Chuck overnight,
Speaker 1: because wasn't it overnight. Well I don't think he knew
Speaker 1: that at the time, but when outside, Chuck was like
Speaker 1: tell eleanor you're not coming home right right, But even
Speaker 1: if it wasn't overnight, that's still like very sweet and
Speaker 1: nice and trustworthy of him to be like, yeah, go
Speaker 1: with the guy that you were just hooking up with
Speaker 1: not that long ago, that's clearly still in love with you.
Speaker 1: And I give him credit for doing that. I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know a lot of people that would just
Speaker 1: to be like okay with that, you know what I mean. Right.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because when they were playing basketball kind of
Speaker 1: one on one, Nate and Chuck, it's like they spoke
Speaker 1: to each other in a very sort of rough way.
Speaker 1: It's like their relationship at this stage is very complicated. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's very complicated to what I was actually just in,
Speaker 1: Like I said, I don't know a lot of people
Speaker 1: that would maybe do that. You got to remember in
Speaker 1: high school, there's so many that always happens. There's so
Speaker 1: many crossovers and things going on, people dating and breaking
Speaker 1: up one day and then two days later dating someone
Speaker 1: else that just dated the other person last week. So
Speaker 1: I guess maybe Nate being okay with going that's just
Speaker 1: kind of that age and like whatever, I'm not meaning
Speaker 1: later on it would have been bad for them to
Speaker 1: go together. I'm just meaning he's been so uptight about
Speaker 1: them being together. So then to finally be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: just go was kind of funny to me because I'm like,
Speaker 1: you've been you admit that you were jealous that they
Speaker 1: were together, and that right, and now you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: go on a mission like Chuck and Blair on a
Speaker 1: mission together that you're you're playing a fire, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean with those two. Yeah, And he basically
Speaker 1: like bought that apartment in part to show Chuck how
Speaker 1: serious he was to be like, don't write you know, really,
Speaker 1: we're really our boyfriend and girlfriend now leap for um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: It's it's interesting, and yeah, I think you're right that
Speaker 1: like that time of life, I mean, especially in this show,
Speaker 1: there's so much overlapping, and it's like how much history
Speaker 1: does everybody have in every interaction and you know, what
Speaker 1: do they take with them, you know, into each relationships.
Speaker 1: All these echoes of the x is they're right there totally.
Speaker 1: And it's similar in the conversation that Serena and Blair
Speaker 1: have two and that when they're trying addresses like jealousy
Speaker 1: and trust come up there too, or Serena's like everybody
Speaker 1: loves you, but nobody can love me. You know. It's
Speaker 1: like they've shared from the same boyfriend table for sure.
Speaker 1: And even Serena kind of says that, like about something
Speaker 1: about he's kind of messed up before. I feel like
Speaker 1: she said something because I remember thinking, well, yeah, because
Speaker 1: it was with you, Like I wouldn't be bringing that up.
Speaker 1: Serena like, yeah, keep it in the past. We we've
Speaker 1: all moved on from it now, like, don't bring that up.
Speaker 1: And then that was a Crimson Yeah, I'm like, oh god,
Speaker 1: oh man. Yeah. How about when Blair called Gabriel North
Speaker 1: Carolina her Like that was my favorite. It's so speaks
Speaker 1: to that really fun writing that's like so smart and
Speaker 1: it's so just right out of the mouth of Blair
Speaker 1: and Laton delivers. It's so well committed, so well North Carolina.
Speaker 1: That was my favorite. I like committed that one to memory. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was amazing. My other part that stuck out to
Speaker 1: me was when Chuck runs into her and she's spying
Speaker 1: on Gabriel and he says, oh, you have your spying
Speaker 1: beret on, right? I have? Yes, I thought the same thing.
Speaker 1: And that's to what you were saying before, like they
Speaker 1: know each other that well that he knows that when
Speaker 1: she has that on there like something's going on, like
Speaker 1: what's going down? Who are you spying? Because she has
Speaker 1: this beret on, which also, by the way, she rocks
Speaker 1: it so well, it looks so good. Her so little
Speaker 1: outfit was just so rad. I'm like, you go, Blair
Speaker 1: a lot of good hair on this episode two, and
Speaker 1: I remember that the hair was always fantastic, but like
Speaker 1: even Serena's like ponytail, there was like a real cool
Speaker 1: detail about it. Yeah, saw it was great messy and
Speaker 1: nobody does a messy pony as well as Serena not
Speaker 1: definitely speaking of hair, um, I know that Poppy had
Speaker 1: a hair transformation, Yeah she did, and then here she
Speaker 1: was in this episode and it was so interesting to
Speaker 1: me because I forgot what was going to happen. Basically,
Speaker 1: it was like, so Chuck and Blair orchestrate Meat, they
Speaker 1: kind of bring Poppy in the room, and you have
Speaker 1: Gabriel and Poppy and Serena and Blair and Chuck and
Speaker 1: the idea being too expose that Gabriel has been with
Speaker 1: Poppy this whole time and that Poppy doesn't know about Serena,
Speaker 1: and it was like this crazy um everybody's kind of
Speaker 1: piling on Poppy in this way that I felt really
Speaker 1: badly for her. So she came in the room and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden discovers that, you know, her boyfriend
Speaker 1: is with someone else. And then he, you know, he
Speaker 1: puts his foot down and says, you know, I'm in
Speaker 1: love a Surrey and I don't care about your contacts.
Speaker 1: Get out of here. And I was kind of heartbroken
Speaker 1: for her. And then the reveal to me the bitch
Speaker 1: that Poppy and Gabriel were really together and that they
Speaker 1: were speaking. I was mind blood because he even in
Speaker 1: that moment says something like, oh, you steal my boyfriend,
Speaker 1: and Gabriel says, she didn't steal me, she swept me away.
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's such a line for something to say
Speaker 1: about Serena right at all. And she was so happy
Speaker 1: about it too. They cut to Serena and her little
Speaker 1: face lit up. Yeah, she was like sweet, yeah, amazing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So then the reveal, Wow, I agree with you. I'm
Speaker 1: like I was shocked. She's like well done. I'm like
Speaker 1: what Yeah. When he came in the room and I
Speaker 1: was like, they've been play acting this whole time. And
Speaker 1: then she has to hide the closet when Rufus comes over,
Speaker 1: it gives him all all his money. Wait, yeah, you
Speaker 1: have Rufus who's gonna lose everything the check and then
Speaker 1: he leaves, oh my god. Yeah. And then at the end,
Speaker 1: we have that lovely scene where U, Jenny and Dan
Speaker 1: basically by the engagement ring for Rufus and they kind
Speaker 1: of give him their support and say go ahead and
Speaker 1: propose to Lily. We're all for it, and don't worry
Speaker 1: that we don't have any money, and you know, Dan's like,
Speaker 1: who needs Yale anyway? And then Rufus is like, it's
Speaker 1: all going to work out because I made this great investment,
Speaker 1: so heartbreaking my go you know, and and he just
Speaker 1: leaves like Gabriel was kind of like nothing with Poppy too,
Speaker 1: like he was in it for himself. Whatever. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: he basically when he left, he left Poppy high and dry.
Speaker 1: Also right, yeah, Sarina, right took Rufus's money. What an asshole, man?
Speaker 1: What an asshole? O my god? Yeah? And where does
Speaker 1: he go? Does he like go to an island and
Speaker 1: he's with like Carter Basin or something like, yes, exactly,
Speaker 1: you must be because it's a Christian camp with the
Speaker 1: Georgia Artina speaking of. Then we go to them. She's
Speaker 1: at this Christian camp like rediscovering herself, and like you
Speaker 1: said before, just the way she plays this completely other
Speaker 1: person was it was amazing. But like the fact that
Speaker 1: she's like walking out with Chuck and then he mentions
Speaker 1: Blair's name and like wheels start spinning and Georgina's like
Speaker 1: head like wait, Blair, she just wants I know. And
Speaker 1: then the song it was by the Kills You Are
Speaker 1: a Fever by the Kills and it's so sick. I
Speaker 1: actually like hadn't heard that song in forever, but just
Speaker 1: the like screech in the beginning of the song of
Speaker 1: like watching Georgina line turns yes it was not it
Speaker 1: was tremendous underscoring. Yeah, and it's and then you see
Speaker 1: the car going off into the distance, and then you
Speaker 1: just want to know. You just have to watch the
Speaker 1: next episode, and it's like, how did we watch How
Speaker 1: did people watch this show back in the day when
Speaker 1: they had to wait a whole week? You know, That's
Speaker 1: that's really always a mystery to me, absolutely, because now
Speaker 1: it's like Rufus goes there being this wonderful sweet man
Speaker 1: that he is, gives the check to Gabriel, Gabriel leaves
Speaker 1: Poppy hanging, Serena hanging. Blair's torn with Chuck and Nate.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, there's there's many many things that they
Speaker 1: left us with at the end here right, many threats. Yeah,
Speaker 1: where are we uh with Vanessa at the end of
Speaker 1: this episode, she's she still has the gallery to work in,
Speaker 1: and yeah, she's been a good friend to Dan and
Speaker 1: she's she's been a great fan. She's about Chuck. Um.
Speaker 1: I feel like there's got to be something coming up
Speaker 1: with her. I know she just her Nate kind of
Speaker 1: just ended. But I do feel like there's got to
Speaker 1: be some sort of love boyfriend situation coming up for her. Right,
Speaker 1: just because yeah, I do. There's a lot that goes
Speaker 1: on with all because obviously we're all going to our
Speaker 1: next chapter in life, like all of our college moments. Um,
Speaker 1: that's huge. You know. I always thought that if I
Speaker 1: were to, you know what, other part and the show
Speaker 1: is so attractive to me, you know, as an actor,
Speaker 1: And I always think of Georgina because of the extremes.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like somebody so sort of nasty and
Speaker 1: bad and then you know who can just turn on
Speaker 1: a dime and have then like wholesome and sweet and
Speaker 1: like carrying, caring. What about you azer character that you
Speaker 1: think like it's like an opposite of Vanessa and it
Speaker 1: would just fun to plu I feel like. And I
Speaker 1: just feel like even in South Carolina when when Jason
Speaker 1: Ed did their panel, I think they got asked that
Speaker 1: question and I think they're both of their answers was
Speaker 1: de rode up. Yeah, it was just like, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a fun one because the most comfortable outfit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not a lot of wardrobe changes. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: I just also really always loved what Jenny's got going
Speaker 1: on because I think she has a big heart means well, Um,
Speaker 1: she's always got a lot going on. When you really
Speaker 1: see Jenny grow a lot throughout the series. I think
Speaker 1: there's like so many things about everyone that I like
Speaker 1: and that also kind of get to me at times. Two.
Speaker 1: I don't know, because I also really do De Rode
Speaker 1: up would be really fun to play too, because I
Speaker 1: just think, you you, how many secrets do you think
Speaker 1: De Roda is her overheard with with Blair oh Man,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know everything about everyone? Yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like Grota, although Groda it was not Gospel in the end.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, but I do think that
Speaker 1: Doroda would have kept some kind of like fantastic, like
Speaker 1: fabulous secret journal of her own with the intentions of
Speaker 1: maybe someday writing a memoir and all the secrets and
Speaker 1: all the schemes and all the dark side of the
Speaker 1: Waldorf household. I think maybe she noted all of that
Speaker 1: for herself for like her big great American novel that
Speaker 1: she was writing her memoir. I mean, De Roda, it
Speaker 1: might be gossip. I'm just saying, well, I should definitely
Speaker 1: have the access to the secrets at least and the
Speaker 1: Waldor household. But you know, I think everybody's in each
Speaker 1: other's business so much that I think Roda had a
Speaker 1: good ear and like really knew it was up. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I love it. Speaking of the gossip girl
Speaker 1: of Gossip Girl, do you want to do the gossip
Speaker 1: Girl closing quote for this episode? Yes, I would love to.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I will do it justice, but
Speaker 1: here it goes, Oh, dear queen, heeds the words of
Speaker 1: a king, looks like an angel, talks like an angel,
Speaker 1: the devil in disguise, excell xcel gossip Girl. Who I
Speaker 1: love it crazy because I also it's kind of like powerful. Hey,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I love it. Yeah, And I always can't
Speaker 1: wait now when I'm watching to hear hear them because
Speaker 1: they're always like witty and wise and funny and clever
Speaker 1: and they should you pull them up. That and those
Speaker 1: titles of the episodes like such smart writing, and you know,
Speaker 1: so many they had to come up with, and I
Speaker 1: always marvel. But yeah, it's great, and it like leaves
Speaker 1: it um just the sound of Christen Bell's voice and
Speaker 1: the and the little music. You know, I watched the
Speaker 1: show in so long it brought me back and it
Speaker 1: was such a comforting feeling of you know, uh, just
Speaker 1: at a time of my life that was really fun
Speaker 1: and a show that I really always liked, and I'm
Speaker 1: so glad to be back in its midst, you know.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm loving having you here. It's really exciting
Speaker 1: for me, and I can't wait to see, like what
Speaker 1: happens in the next what's going to happen because it's
Speaker 1: also coming to this the season finale. There's only episodes
Speaker 1: or six. Yeah, when you when you're coming to the
Speaker 1: season finale, I feel like writers and networks and everyone,
Speaker 1: you know, they want to make this big moment. But
Speaker 1: I feel like almost every episode I've been watching it
Speaker 1: could be a series or not a serious of season
Speaker 1: finale right now, just because there's so many cliffhangers and
Speaker 1: so many things going on. So I think they did
Speaker 1: a great job. And that's what I'm saying. I don't
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine what's going to happen at the
Speaker 1: end of season two, what will happen. It's nice. It's
Speaker 1: nice to have all that sort of time went by
Speaker 1: and the kind of shady memories to live it all
Speaker 1: over again. I know, I'm glad. I'm getting old and
Speaker 1: I forgot everything, so I know it's been so fun
Speaker 1: and and to like the playlists and like I haven't
Speaker 1: heard that kill song and forever and it was so good,
Speaker 1: perfect choice, and it's just like I'll go jam out
Speaker 1: to that right now. Thank you so much for coming
Speaker 1: out and doing this. This is so fun. Yes, and
Speaker 1: I will. I'll go out into the streets of New
Speaker 1: York now and give it a big hug for me
Speaker 1: and have my gossip girl heart on folks play out there.
Speaker 1: And I'm in Brooklyn, so I'm like the I'm the
Speaker 1: damn home free yeah, the Vanessa right so representing for Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. I really had a great
Speaker 1: time chatting. I know you're the best, and you're just
Speaker 1: like I like your thoughts on it and and um
Speaker 1: just your opinion and you're You're just so fun and
Speaker 1: funny and this has just been so great. I'm like
Speaker 1: so happy right now. Thank you me too, Susanna. Okay, girl,
Speaker 1: I'm so happy you could join me today for another episode.
Speaker 1: You're just the sweetest and it is so fun to
Speaker 1: just chat and reminisce and take a walk down memory
Speaker 1: lane with you. I'll see all the listeners next week
Speaker 1: for our rewatch of season two, Episode three. I keep
Speaker 1: saying it, but I cannot believe how close we are
Speaker 1: to finishing season two. You know what they say, time flies.
Speaker 1: If you're having fun, I'll see you next week. XL
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Speaker 1: Content and Meet Jessica's Or. Our show is executive produced
Speaker 1: by Langley. Our producers are Diego Tapia, Christin Vermilia, Emily Carr,
Speaker 1: and Hannah Harris. Original music by Moxie and Lune, and
Speaker 1: the episode was mixed by Sethi Landscape