WEBVTT - Materialists: Broke Boy Propaganda or Subversive Rom-Com?

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<v Speaker 1>Warning, Today's episode contains spoilers for Selene Songs Materialists, so

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<v Speaker 1>go and see that before you listen this, or just

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<v Speaker 1>listen to this so you can understand the divisive discourse

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<v Speaker 1>around what was supposed to be the summer's biggest rom com.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello.

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<v Speaker 3>My name is Rosie Night and I'm Joel Monique. Oh

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<v Speaker 3>hi Joel. So good to have you here, and welcome

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<v Speaker 4>In today's episode, we've got a special little double date.

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<v Speaker 4>We're joined by A Boo and In to break down

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<v Speaker 4>our feel on Slen Song's divisive new movie Materialists.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's let's talk about it, Let's get into it.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's introduce our panel, welcoming a super producers, A Boo

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<v Speaker 1>and Aaron.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello. Hello, Hello, how are you feeling guys?

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<v Speaker 5>I'm feeling tentatively excited for this conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I think it's going to be very interesting and

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<v Speaker 1>very actually equally sided. We're going to have a dueling

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<v Speaker 1>double date situation and a boo. I believe it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be you and Joel versus me and Aaron, Me

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<v Speaker 1>and Aaron, the controversial take havas as usual. So let's

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<v Speaker 1>start with the big question here, and we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>do a little quote from the movie. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>do a good This is going to be my Chris

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<v Speaker 1>Evans impression. When I see your face, I see wrinkles

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<v Speaker 1>and children that look like you. So the big question is,

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<v Speaker 1>is the materialists a romantic comedy?

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<v Speaker 3>Guys A boo, Let's start with you.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know what kind of math y'all were doing

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<v Speaker 5>watching this movie, but there is romance, there is comedy,

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<v Speaker 5>So yeah, it's a com okay on.

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<v Speaker 6>Your side of boo. But I don't think it's a comedy.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's the satire of a romantic comedy, which

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<v Speaker 4>I really value and think is like vitally.

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<v Speaker 6>Important for the culture right now.

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<v Speaker 4>I think if in order to reach romantic comedy uh

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<v Speaker 4>status to me, you need to be way heavier on

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<v Speaker 4>the comedy. There are a few light jokes here and there.

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<v Speaker 4>It's spattered throughout, but they're.

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<v Speaker 7>Good jokes and they're fine.

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<v Speaker 6>There's I'm not.

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<v Speaker 4>Criticizing the jokes that are in there, but the jokes

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<v Speaker 4>are few and far in between. It's not a jokey movie.

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<v Speaker 4>The point of the movie is not for you to

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<v Speaker 4>like it's so funny and charming. It's like the antithesis

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<v Speaker 4>of the movie, and so it doesn't quite feel the

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<v Speaker 4>rom com status for me, a genre I'm absolutely obsessed with.

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<v Speaker 6>But it does critique the rom com which I really value.

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<v Speaker 3>I would say, I do agree.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually went into this hoping for the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>bombastic rom com that I believe that they promised us,

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<v Speaker 1>and I do.

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<v Speaker 3>I love a marketing campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>That subverts your expectations, so I get what they were doing.

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<v Speaker 1>But for me, I wanted the version of the movie

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<v Speaker 1>where you had the narrator. I wanted the version of

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<v Speaker 1>the movie where it was more about this kind of

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<v Speaker 1>interplay between the three of them, and that was more

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<v Speaker 1>of a traditional romantic comedy. I think for me, there

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<v Speaker 1>were some elements, and ironically, I think that something that

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<v Speaker 1>Selene did really well here is it does feature many

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<v Speaker 1>of the tropes and trappings of a romantic comedy in

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<v Speaker 1>unexpected ways, even the negatives in my opinion, Like there

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<v Speaker 1>is a plot line in this movie that feels very

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<v Speaker 1>much like it could have come from like a nineties

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<v Speaker 1>rom com, where we would all be looking back at

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<v Speaker 1>it and being like.

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<v Speaker 3>Why was this included?

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<v Speaker 1>But they try and handle it here with more gravitas,

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<v Speaker 1>And that is a plotline about a sexual assault, and

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<v Speaker 1>that for me was when it took me straight out

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<v Speaker 1>the way it was dealt with, the kind of way

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<v Speaker 1>it was approached.

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<v Speaker 3>That took me out of the kind of comedy space.

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<v Speaker 3>I also feel like.

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<v Speaker 1>I was not expecting it, so I think that immediately

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<v Speaker 1>shifted part of my enjoyment.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>And also another thing, this is kind of funny because

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<v Speaker 1>we were just talking about the about Friendship and the

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<v Speaker 1>a twenty four movie with Tim Robinson and Paul Rudd,

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<v Speaker 1>which is kind of shot and filmed like a Lifetime movie,

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<v Speaker 1>a kind of psychological thriller. There were moments in this

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<v Speaker 1>film where I legitimately thought the movie was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be about Dakota Johnson's character hunting down the guy who

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<v Speaker 1>sexually assaulted her client.

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<v Speaker 7>It's actually she is.

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<v Speaker 1>She's outside the movie. She's outside, and she's wearing like

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<v Speaker 1>a fucking trench coat and a baseball cap, and she's

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<v Speaker 1>like spying and I'm like, okay, so is this what

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<v Speaker 1>everyone said when they didn't know what it was gonna

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<v Speaker 1>like they didn't see the way it was going.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I for me, the rom com was not

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<v Speaker 3>calming enough. Aaron, how did you feel about that specific

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<v Speaker 3>element of the film.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I mean in the press tour, they talked up

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<v Speaker 8>that this is a rom com. They talked up Selene

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<v Speaker 8>is so good at doing a new version of a

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<v Speaker 8>rom com. And I think they could have told this

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<v Speaker 8>story as a rom com, like there is definitely the

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<v Speaker 8>beats here, as Joel was saying, it hits a lot

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<v Speaker 8>of the tropes of a rom com. This could have

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<v Speaker 8>been in the late nineties. We could have had this

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<v Speaker 8>exact same story about you know, head versus heart when

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<v Speaker 8>you're trying to pick a relationship, and I don't.

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<v Speaker 7>Think it was. I loved a lot of the moments

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<v Speaker 7>were very funny.

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<v Speaker 8>I think the bridesmaids prancing in as like this like

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<v Speaker 8>cohesive little unit. Chris Evans' roommates, Chris Evans play was

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<v Speaker 8>as someone who sees a ton of theater in New

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<v Speaker 8>York also small theater faction that was incredible. And then

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<v Speaker 8>like obviously her interactions with every single that she's trying

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<v Speaker 8>to take with that, and the movie starts off and

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<v Speaker 8>you think it's gonna be a rom com because of

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<v Speaker 8>the like are you single? Give me a call, I'll

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<v Speaker 8>set you up with someone kind of thing, Like just

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<v Speaker 8>I thought this was gonna be a nice, easy, romantic comedy,

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<v Speaker 8>and I don't think it was here.

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<v Speaker 6>Can I you actually, Aaron? That really highlights something for me?

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<v Speaker 4>Uh, it's the goofy factor that's missing. You need like

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<v Speaker 4>a good wrong I'll give you be like, uh the

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<v Speaker 4>wedding singer or like a made Manhattan is not even

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<v Speaker 4>my favorite Jennifer Lopez.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, there's no singing sorry with the fringe on top

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<v Speaker 8>and Ira walks in, which can be comedy and then

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<v Speaker 8>also an emotional beat. This this didn't bring comedy with

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<v Speaker 8>the emotional beats.

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<v Speaker 3>I would okay boo, I had you had a count

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<v Speaker 3>it to Aaron, so please share.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, really, I have a counter to this whole rom

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<v Speaker 5>com narrative I you seem to be dissecting. First of all,

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<v Speaker 5>it sounds like y'all got duped by the marketing I did,

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<v Speaker 5>especial in a movie that you didn't get. I didn't

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<v Speaker 5>watch a trailer. I just saw that Pedro Pascal and

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<v Speaker 5>Chris Evans and Dakota Johnson were in this movie, and

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<v Speaker 5>I was.

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<v Speaker 6>Like, sure, you mean same boat?

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<v Speaker 5>And I just randomly went to go see this movie

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<v Speaker 5>based off of just the poster and a couple of

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<v Speaker 5>people tweeting about it. I had no idea what how

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<v Speaker 5>this movie was marketed until I looked it up afterward.

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<v Speaker 5>I so understandably it seems like it was marketed as

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<v Speaker 5>a rom com and you go in and you realize.

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<v Speaker 3>I will say I did. I did absolutely get duped.

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<v Speaker 1>Like when I came out, I had quite a visceral

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<v Speaker 1>response to this movie.

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<v Speaker 3>It just it really wasn't for me.

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<v Speaker 1>But when I came out, I was talking to my friends,

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<v Speaker 1>so I went to go see it with and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, guys, we got to find the guy who

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<v Speaker 1>cut that trailer with the narrator and charge him with

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<v Speaker 1>fraud because that ship is not the movie that I

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<v Speaker 1>paid to see.

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<v Speaker 5>That's certainly not the movie. But I will say, all

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<v Speaker 5>of you seem to be basically describing the Notebook, and

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<v Speaker 5>you realize you can stream that on peacock.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not a romantic comedy. It's a romantic tragedy that's

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<v Speaker 3>more of this kind of movie because it's my favorite.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, no, I will say the outcome of this

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<v Speaker 3>movie is a tragedy in my opinion, for Dakota Johnson's character,

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<v Speaker 3>who honestly gotta tell you sad, sad story. Guys.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually can no longer remember her name, even though

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<v Speaker 1>I saw this movie like this, Lucy Lucy, oh forgettable, forgettable.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know me, I love to coach Johnson in

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<v Speaker 1>my head. I did at the beginning before this.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, we do need to we do need to hash

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<v Speaker 5>that out later then, yeah, because I thought it ended properly,

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<v Speaker 5>but apparently you must chill with theiaire.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even think it's about that.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, let's past to an ad break before it

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<v Speaker 1>gets too spicy. And when we come back after hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>some ads for like Grinder or something, then you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we will come back in the Door Company.

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<v Speaker 3>We will come back and discuss the ending and much more.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're back and in the middle we were all

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<v Speaker 1>fighting each other and it was crazy, but we survived.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's talk about what the movie is really about.

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<v Speaker 1>With another quote, and this is a Dakota Johnson quote.

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<v Speaker 1>She kind of just always talks like she's in Madam Webb,

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<v Speaker 1>so to be like, you know how to do the math?

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<v Speaker 3>Don't you too too much inflection? I think she has

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of inflection, but it's weird inflection.

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<v Speaker 7>So you're saying it's more of a like a weird inflection.

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<v Speaker 3>You know how to do the math, don't you?

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<v Speaker 1>Something like that? But anyway, I could never be to

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<v Speaker 1>Cota Johnson. She is a queen in my life. I

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<v Speaker 1>would dream to look at her shoes in this film.

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<v Speaker 1>She's she's beautiful and crazy and has never ever been

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<v Speaker 1>poor in her fucking life.

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<v Speaker 3>That casting is insane and what were you thinking?

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<v Speaker 1>So let's talk about this because I do think a

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<v Speaker 1>year eight thousand dollars a year in New York, one

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<v Speaker 1>person and.

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<v Speaker 3>Bedroom.

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<v Speaker 1>And but let's talk about this aspect because I do

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<v Speaker 1>feel like, as someone who has been out of the

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<v Speaker 1>dating game for like a decade, I do feel like

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<v Speaker 1>maybe this is the side of the movie that did

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<v Speaker 1>not speak to me that I did not get, which

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of the movie from a lot of what

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<v Speaker 1>I've been reading is the movie as a take on

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<v Speaker 1>the state of modern dating.

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<v Speaker 3>So aboo.

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<v Speaker 1>You were someone who brought this up like instantly when

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<v Speaker 1>we were having this conversation, So let's talk about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this a satire on modern dating and the way

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<v Speaker 1>that people value each other or perceive value in each other?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely, I think that's ninety percent of what this movie

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<v Speaker 5>is about, and the other percent is just romcom tropes.

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<v Speaker 5>Like at the core of this movie, it's exploring the

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<v Speaker 5>way that modern dating has been shaped and warped by

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<v Speaker 5>capitalism and the prevalence of apps and just the reprioritization

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<v Speaker 5>of what people are looking for in partnerships and in connection. Right.

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<v Speaker 5>Pedro Pascal at one point makes the sales pitch to

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<v Speaker 5>go to Johnson and says, this is a good investment.

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<v Speaker 7>I am rich, I.

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<v Speaker 5>Can take care of you, and you are what I'm

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<v Speaker 5>looking for and a partner, someone who's smart and knows

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<v Speaker 5>the world and loves me for who I am. I

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<v Speaker 5>can't find that anywhere else. I have found it in you,

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<v Speaker 5>So this is just a win win, like let's shake hands,

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<v Speaker 5>sign on the dotted line, business deal home run. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>and I will say I I too, am not in

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<v Speaker 5>the game, but what I hear from my perpetually single

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<v Speaker 5>friends who are out there on the apps, like in

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<v Speaker 5>the trenches. That's what it's like out there.

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<v Speaker 6>It's awful.

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<v Speaker 5>People are just like have checklists of things that you

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<v Speaker 5>have to hit and if you don't, then you get ghosted.

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<v Speaker 5>And much of the like comedy in this film was

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<v Speaker 5>actually kind of on the nose, you know, like they

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<v Speaker 5>have to be six foot, I'm looking for someone.

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<v Speaker 7>Who's a little more mature.

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<v Speaker 3>Who's a little more mature, you know, seven That was

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<v Speaker 3>a good.

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<v Speaker 5>Like like what I hear about modern dating from friends

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<v Speaker 5>who are out there, that is literally what it's like

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<v Speaker 5>like people splitting hairs over two years of age difference.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm gonna I'm going to spoil something for you.

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<v Speaker 8>Pre apps dating was the same way with different things.

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<v Speaker 8>It maybe and over here had a very different dating

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<v Speaker 8>experience than most of us. But I do believe in

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<v Speaker 8>ten years ago people still had a kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 8>This person isn't attractive enough, this person isn't tall enough,

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<v Speaker 8>this person doesn't make enough Money's still.

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<v Speaker 5>I guess, but they're not things that you can swipe

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<v Speaker 5>and filter on an app. I think the way you

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<v Speaker 5>go about it has dramatically been reshaped by capitalism.

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<v Speaker 3>Basically, Okay, Joel, I want to hear your take on this.

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<v Speaker 6>I agree with both of you, but in slightly different ways.

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<v Speaker 6>So yeah, I agree.

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<v Speaker 4>The people have always been a little bit picky about

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<v Speaker 4>who they want to date, Like there's there's a dream

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<v Speaker 4>most of us having our head of like this is

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<v Speaker 4>what my ideal partner would be, and you're out looking

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<v Speaker 4>for that. So I totally agree with that. I think

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<v Speaker 4>what really has changed is kind of a twofold issue,

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<v Speaker 4>and it is relying on capitalism. It's a you have

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<v Speaker 4>social media, and you have.

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<v Speaker 6>It's really just the social media aspect.

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<v Speaker 4>For me, I think a lot of what people are

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<v Speaker 4>looking for when they're out dating is like, I want

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<v Speaker 4>somebody who looks good next to me in a photo.

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<v Speaker 4>I want somebody who's going to actually like, oh, you

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<v Speaker 4>don't know. The second thing is that we've been taught

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<v Speaker 4>to look at ourselves as brands.

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<v Speaker 7>You're branding yourself.

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<v Speaker 4>So not only are you like using social media as

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<v Speaker 4>like a platform for yourself to brag your connect with

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<v Speaker 4>your community or whatever, but there's also this idea that

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<v Speaker 4>no matter what area of your life you're looking at it,

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<v Speaker 4>you should understand your brand. How do you come across

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<v Speaker 4>and dating, what do you bring to the table, Like

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<v Speaker 4>what are you getting out of this person? And you

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<v Speaker 4>think about it in your career, you think about in

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<v Speaker 4>your family, You definitely think about it on your social spaces.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think that's what they're really tapping into every

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<v Speaker 4>time they sit down to have a conversation Dakota Johnathan's

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<v Speaker 4>character in Peter Pescal's it's really about their brand. What

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<v Speaker 4>is your brand? How do you plus my brand? How

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<v Speaker 4>do you how can I plus yours? I see value

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<v Speaker 4>in your brand? Even their expressions of love are talked

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<v Speaker 4>about in a business language.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, that's why I really write. But they don't. There's

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<v Speaker 7>there's no social media at all in this movie.

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<v Speaker 1>But you don't need to understand the I do think

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<v Speaker 1>it's I do kind of think it's interesting, and to me,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I love Honestly, you guys are like, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>wishing that that is the movie I watched, Like, no question,

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<v Speaker 1>I think what you're talking about is so interesting because

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<v Speaker 1>also I'm going to say something and I saw a

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<v Speaker 1>great uh you know Kristin Yunsu, who's a great book.

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<v Speaker 1>She calls herself a retired film critic. I think now

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<v Speaker 1>but she has a letterboxed and on her review, which

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<v Speaker 1>was two and a half stars, because I was like

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<v Speaker 1>reading every letter box review after this, I was so

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<v Speaker 1>interested and she made a great point, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>this is kind of my issue with the movie as

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<v Speaker 1>a whole. It's like, that's all well and good to

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<v Speaker 1>have those, but like in my mind, I'm thinking, like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but you have got like three of the most conventionally

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<v Speaker 1>attractive people on earth, So what kind of statement are

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<v Speaker 1>you making. I know it's like, oh, it's even hard

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<v Speaker 1>for them, but like, what is it like if you're fat?

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<v Speaker 3>Like what is it like the people they call fat.

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<v Speaker 1>In this movie, like multiple times are so small and

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't and k Yeah, like k y K on

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<v Speaker 1>her letterbox, which is like such a good follow her

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<v Speaker 1>review of it was like, you know the scene with

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<v Speaker 1>the white woman who only wanted to date white people,

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<v Speaker 1>she is like, Selene, have you looked at your entire cast?

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<v Speaker 3>Like you think you're saying something deep, but your entire

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<v Speaker 3>main cast is all white people. So I think there

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<v Speaker 3>is an issue with this film, which is like there

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<v Speaker 3>are a lot of things that wants to say.

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<v Speaker 1>Will also just being like a vibes movie and really like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. I think that it's kind of hard the

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<v Speaker 1>trappings of what the trappings of what it's trying to say. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to be real, guys, this is a movie

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<v Speaker 1>about rich people, and yet it tries to be a

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<v Speaker 1>movie about poor people, or at least people who perceive

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<v Speaker 1>themselves as poor. And for me, I found that incredibly

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<v Speaker 1>hard to stomach. Like, I'm gonna be real with you.

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<v Speaker 1>If you are thirty five and you meet a really

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<v Speaker 1>sweet guy who's so nice to you, who's like, I

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<v Speaker 1>will support your business initiatives, I will give you money,

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<v Speaker 1>date him. Don't fucking date a guy who is in

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<v Speaker 1>a fucking lives in a shitty bedroom. Has not changed

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<v Speaker 1>that who shouted at you in the middle of the street,

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<v Speaker 1>who screamed at you, who didn't like the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>you want to go out to eat dinner, Like that's

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<v Speaker 1>not a good relationship, that's not passion, that's not love.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that those kind of narratives where it's

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<v Speaker 1>this idea of like you've got to pick the person

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<v Speaker 1>you're in love with.

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<v Speaker 5>It also the guy that you can call when you're

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<v Speaker 5>going through an awful thing.

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<v Speaker 1>She doesn't have any friends. Can I just tell you

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<v Speaker 1>that guy's friends.

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<v Speaker 5>She can call the billionaire that she's going to Italy

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<v Speaker 5>with and a week can talk to him about the

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<v Speaker 5>work stress she's going through, But she doesn't. You know, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>that's because at the instinct is to like to go to.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, is the instinct to go back to the comfortable

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<v Speaker 1>thing that you had for five years when you were

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<v Speaker 1>young that you recognize.

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<v Speaker 3>I just I did see like the kind of controversy

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<v Speaker 3>over this, like broke boy propaganda.

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<v Speaker 1>Thing, and I have to say, I have to say

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<v Speaker 1>I support the girls who are saying that, because I

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<v Speaker 1>do think there's an element of that to this. But

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<v Speaker 1>I also just think like it's a very easy thing

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<v Speaker 1>to be extremely rich, to be making movies and be saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, you should pick the poor guy. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>to me, it feels like my restview my review, who's

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<v Speaker 1>also like a really hot, conventionally attractive guy.

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<v Speaker 3>My review was quite I'm not you.

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<v Speaker 1>I try not to be like very scathing, but occasionally

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<v Speaker 1>I have very visceral reactions to movies, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>this was a visceral reaction movie that I haven't kind

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<v Speaker 1>of felt since I watched the first Doctor Strange movie,

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<v Speaker 1>which is like incredibly ablest and like I was like

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<v Speaker 1>crying in the theater at the end, like what the

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<v Speaker 1>fuck is going on here?

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<v Speaker 3>And uh, and this movie I kind of had a

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<v Speaker 3>similar thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm gonna tell I feel kind of ashamed because

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like the review is really harsh, but I

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<v Speaker 1>do stand by it, and I think that even if

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<v Speaker 1>I worded it differently, it's still it would still be true.

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<v Speaker 1>But it to me, I watched it and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is like a hallmark movie for rich New Yorkers

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<v Speaker 1>who fucked o Kate away at once and twiddle their

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<v Speaker 1>fucking celine whatever three thousand dollar diamond bracelet, thinking.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, maybe I'd be better off if I'd have gone

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<v Speaker 3>with like that. Maybe I'd be happier if I was poor, Like.

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<v Speaker 4>It's okay, crazy, I have to pull over. We're pulling over,

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<v Speaker 4>We're pulling over.

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<v Speaker 6>Here's this is.

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<v Speaker 7>A valid take on movie. I think I see.

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<v Speaker 4>How you could watch this film and walk away with

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<v Speaker 4>this take. And I don't even think it's completely invalid.

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<v Speaker 4>I do think, okay for good critique poverty in filmmaking

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<v Speaker 4>The Apartment His Apartment pretty accurate. That painted over light switches,

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<v Speaker 4>like really tight spaces duty.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, bathroom cabinet that won't close.

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<v Speaker 4>Her hair was way too glossy. That's a four hundred

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<v Speaker 4>dollars hair treatment. There's no way we're getting on a regulars.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't buy it, but I did, really, But here's

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<v Speaker 4>what's working for me. It's the setup of the dynamic

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<v Speaker 4>of these relationships because obviously you date the kind rich dude,

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<v Speaker 4>especially if you're the kind of person who's like, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't even know if I'm really like believing in love

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<v Speaker 4>or having it a lot in my life, Like as

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<v Speaker 4>a as a lady who's thirty five, I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>I vibe with this, and absolutely I'm picking Pagro. This

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<v Speaker 4>girl's crazy. But the movie has some really interesting things

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<v Speaker 4>to say about a like love is not a choice

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<v Speaker 4>really that you're making, right. You make a choice in

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<v Speaker 4>who you're going to live your life with, but who

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<v Speaker 4>you fall in love with not necessarily a choice. And

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<v Speaker 4>I really value this because I think a lot of folks, again,

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<v Speaker 4>are so clean to their checklist that they tend to

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<v Speaker 4>miss really great partners staring them in the face. And

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<v Speaker 4>I like that they push that narrative. What I also

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<v Speaker 4>was really intrigued by is like Selene's making a very

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<v Speaker 4>strong statement at the end. At the end of the movie,

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<v Speaker 4>Lucy gets a promotion at her job and her boss

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<v Speaker 4>is like, listen for whatever the fuck you want, I'll

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<v Speaker 4>back you. So she's not gonna be making no. Eighty

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<v Speaker 4>k anymore. She could support the two of them, she

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<v Speaker 4>could be.

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<v Speaker 3>Doesn't know she's gonna take the job.

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<v Speaker 6>She doesn't know she's gonna take.

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<v Speaker 4>But what she has our opportunities, which and possibilities which

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<v Speaker 4>I think not a lot of women have had over

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<v Speaker 4>like the course of human history. And to put her

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<v Speaker 4>in a spot of like, not only did you choose

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<v Speaker 4>the guy that you were like, you know what, this

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<v Speaker 4>is what my heart wants. It's not a logical decision.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not a decision that makes any And they meant

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<v Speaker 4>that to each other. They're like, this may not make

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<v Speaker 4>any kind of sense, but we want to try to

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<v Speaker 4>make this work. She's like, I am the kind of

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<v Speaker 4>person who fights in the street. She's not embarrassed about that.

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<v Speaker 4>She's equal partnerships in that she kind of started the fight.

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<v Speaker 6>The fight is her. She was like, I we can walk.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't want to pay twenty five dollars ship Parking.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't have it. You know that, And you're mad

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<v Speaker 4>that I don't have any money, which isn't fair. You

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<v Speaker 4>know who I am and whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>He's so mad that she wants fancy things and they know,

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<v Speaker 1>but they also fair the fight.

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<v Speaker 4>But that's the These two are equals about the whole movie,

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<v Speaker 4>which is the thing we often don't get in rong comps.

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<v Speaker 4>I think rong coms often encourage women to go seek

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<v Speaker 4>wealthy men, and we ignore a lot of the things

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<v Speaker 4>that they're not bringing to the table, like emotional maturity

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<v Speaker 4>and like genuine loved Like oh, well, they have money

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<v Speaker 4>and they find me attractive, So off we go into

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<v Speaker 4>the sunset. This movie completely disrupts set. They're like, do

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<v Speaker 4>you actually have a connection with this person? Do you

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<v Speaker 4>want to build a life with them? And most importantly,

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<v Speaker 4>do you acknowledge what you're sacrificing by choosing to be

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<v Speaker 4>in a relationship with this person. I think anytime you

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<v Speaker 4>make a choice, you're closing the door on a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of other choices. So she makes a very open eyed

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<v Speaker 4>choice to say, despite all of the shortcomings, I still

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<v Speaker 4>choose to be with you. I think that to me

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<v Speaker 4>is like it's a very grounded love story. It's not

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<v Speaker 4>a love story about getting swept up and chaotic moments

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<v Speaker 4>that bring us closer together. It's the love story about

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<v Speaker 4>choosing to be with a person. And I found like

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<v Speaker 4>that to me is profoundly deep and important and like

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<v Speaker 4>a message a lot of.

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<v Speaker 6>The girls need to hear.

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<v Speaker 4>And I like that she leaves in a space of like,

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<v Speaker 4>I can make a choice, I can choose to be

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<v Speaker 4>the breadwinner of this relationship. I love that you act.

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<v Speaker 4>Like watching you act, even if you're play a shit,

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<v Speaker 4>I like you. I like that you perceived this. And

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<v Speaker 4>she leaves enough space for him, and I was like, wow,

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<v Speaker 4>even though these are not the choices I would have made, Lucy,

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<v Speaker 4>I appreciate and.

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<v Speaker 6>See for your choices. And I really valued the movie

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<v Speaker 6>for pushing that direct.

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<v Speaker 1>Beautifully said Yeah, I love I love I love that take.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm gonna tell you, Joel, next time you come

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<v Speaker 1>around to my house, I'm gonna show you five Hallmark

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<v Speaker 1>movies where a woman has an option to have a

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<v Speaker 1>promotion and chooses to go with a broke guy who

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<v Speaker 1>runs a farm.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, legitimately, like.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the Hallmark choice every time, Aaron, how do you

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<v Speaker 1>feel about this specific aspect of like just.

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<v Speaker 3>What you did like and you didn't like? Like what walk?

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<v Speaker 3>Don't walk?

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<v Speaker 7>It's so funny. I find myself agreeing with each of

0:22:40.920 --> 0:22:41.720
<v Speaker 7>you at different.

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<v Speaker 8>Times, which a conversation a great reaction for four of us. Well,

0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:49.200
<v Speaker 8>I think everyone has heard the story that Selene's song

0:22:49.320 --> 0:22:52.359
<v Speaker 8>she writes what she Knows, so Past Lives. Her first

0:22:52.400 --> 0:22:55.520
<v Speaker 8>movie is based off of this incredible moment when she

0:22:55.640 --> 0:22:57.960
<v Speaker 8>had two friends, one of them Korean and one of

0:22:57.960 --> 0:23:00.640
<v Speaker 8>them American, and she was translating between them at the bar.

0:23:01.000 --> 0:23:03.119
<v Speaker 8>So that exact scene in the movie is based off

0:23:03.119 --> 0:23:05.399
<v Speaker 8>a real life thing that happened. And she similarly worked

0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:08.040
<v Speaker 8>for like six months or something as a match maker

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<v Speaker 8>crazy and a lot of these conversations are things people

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<v Speaker 8>asked her and told her, And so I think what

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<v Speaker 8>I thought it was less about I know they keep

0:23:17.359 --> 0:23:19.800
<v Speaker 8>they always harp on the math of dating, but I

0:23:19.840 --> 0:23:22.359
<v Speaker 8>thought it was more about, like, these people are so

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<v Speaker 8>open and honest with these frankly horrible things that they

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<v Speaker 8>want and that they're willing to verbalize to someone and

0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:32.359
<v Speaker 8>say they can't be they can't be big, They can't

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<v Speaker 8>be old, they can't be non white, they have.

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<v Speaker 7>To be a yeah whatever like minimum right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, like I legit have known I think as well.

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<v Speaker 1>That's another thing that I think was different for me

0:23:51.960 --> 0:23:54.200
<v Speaker 1>is like I don't even really know like more than

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<v Speaker 1>two people who earn one hundred thousand dollars or more so,

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<v Speaker 1>like the idea that you would go out specifically look

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<v Speaker 1>for that is just so out of my realm of

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<v Speaker 1>understanding that's real.

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<v Speaker 3>I know that.

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<v Speaker 5>Every single day, and rejecting people for not hitting that.

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<v Speaker 8>Bar, I mean so so that I thought was a

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<v Speaker 8>really interesting way of looking at it. And I thought

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<v Speaker 8>the big progression of the movie was that Lucy not Dakoda,

0:24:19.800 --> 0:24:23.320
<v Speaker 8>that Lucy originally lived in that world and then she

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<v Speaker 8>came out of it through Chris Evans character John and

0:24:29.400 --> 0:24:32.440
<v Speaker 8>and he brought her back to what she used to be,

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<v Speaker 8>this person who had this like emotional dirty connection to

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<v Speaker 8>the arts. You know, I am obviously biased and like

0:24:39.920 --> 0:24:42.960
<v Speaker 8>I will always side with like the artsy person in

0:24:43.080 --> 0:24:46.840
<v Speaker 8>the versus I work in finance, but like I.

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<v Speaker 3>Mean, he was in privately, it's the most evil kind of.

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<v Speaker 9>Finance which media company look at all that those great

0:24:54.880 --> 0:24:58.320
<v Speaker 9>meals they could go to. But yeah, so I I

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<v Speaker 9>really enjoyed her progression that she goes through where she

0:25:02.040 --> 0:25:05.560
<v Speaker 9>is at one point very much like you know, I'm

0:25:05.560 --> 0:25:07.760
<v Speaker 9>going to die alone as I'm smoking a cigarette on

0:25:07.840 --> 0:25:08.760
<v Speaker 9>the balcony here.

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<v Speaker 8>I've been in charge of nine weddings. They're falling apart,

0:25:13.840 --> 0:25:15.680
<v Speaker 8>but I don't care because, like I talked them into

0:25:15.680 --> 0:25:19.159
<v Speaker 8>doing the wedding, and that's what she seemed. Yeah, yeah,

0:25:19.320 --> 0:25:21.040
<v Speaker 8>and so I think she changes by the end, and

0:25:21.080 --> 0:25:24.880
<v Speaker 8>it's I mean, it is the most glaring and obvious

0:25:25.119 --> 0:25:28.399
<v Speaker 8>film technique they use, I think, but it's highlighted by

0:25:28.400 --> 0:25:30.360
<v Speaker 8>the two different weddings. The wedding in the beginning when

0:25:30.359 --> 0:25:33.400
<v Speaker 8>she meets Pedro Pascal and then this like outdoor, cute

0:25:33.400 --> 0:25:35.719
<v Speaker 8>little wedding where she and Chris Evans hang out and

0:25:35.760 --> 0:25:38.520
<v Speaker 8>it is adorable and weird.

0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:42.680
<v Speaker 1>They crashed like a super intimate like twenty people that yeah, like, well.

0:25:45.200 --> 0:25:46.600
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, has anyone crashed the wedding before?

0:25:46.680 --> 0:25:46.800
<v Speaker 8>Oh?

0:25:46.880 --> 0:25:47.480
<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

0:25:48.800 --> 0:25:49.920
<v Speaker 3>Like me, baby, I'm.

0:25:51.440 --> 0:25:54.000
<v Speaker 4>Tell there's a giant wedding happening. There's just like an

0:25:54.040 --> 0:25:54.800
<v Speaker 4>open bar.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, hi, congratulations, Okay, wait a minute, Aaron, I need you. Okay,

0:25:58.480 --> 0:26:00.800
<v Speaker 1>what don't you like and let's talk about the open

0:26:00.840 --> 0:26:03.280
<v Speaker 1>and closing sequences, because I do think that's some of

0:26:03.320 --> 0:26:04.480
<v Speaker 1>the dumbest shit in the movie.

0:26:04.480 --> 0:26:05.760
<v Speaker 3>Like when it went back to that.

0:26:06.320 --> 0:26:09.080
<v Speaker 1>At the end, every single person in the ala my

0:26:09.200 --> 0:26:13.280
<v Speaker 1>draft house, a notoriously quiet theater, just groaned and started laughing.

0:26:13.840 --> 0:26:15.760
<v Speaker 3>So, yeah, what didn't work for you? Aaron?

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<v Speaker 8>It started and I was like, am I in the

0:26:18.240 --> 0:26:22.000
<v Speaker 8>wrong movie? Did something happen? Like what what are we watching?

0:26:22.160 --> 0:26:24.080
<v Speaker 8>I don't know what is out right now that this

0:26:24.200 --> 0:26:27.360
<v Speaker 8>might be? And like is this an homage to two

0:26:27.400 --> 0:26:28.000
<v Speaker 8>thousand and one?

0:26:28.960 --> 0:26:30.000
<v Speaker 7>What is this?

0:26:30.400 --> 0:26:32.560
<v Speaker 8>And then it just kept going and I was like, okay, cool,

0:26:32.680 --> 0:26:35.840
<v Speaker 8>Like I don't know that was some weird intro interlude,

0:26:35.920 --> 0:26:38.480
<v Speaker 8>like she wanted to put that little If you haven't

0:26:38.480 --> 0:26:38.960
<v Speaker 8>seen the.

0:26:38.880 --> 0:26:41.359
<v Speaker 3>Movie, basically it opens.

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<v Speaker 7>With a like the first.

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<v Speaker 1>People who got married by giving each other flowers, so

0:26:48.359 --> 0:26:49.800
<v Speaker 1>it was a business deal.

0:26:49.760 --> 0:26:53.520
<v Speaker 4>And and she cooks for him, and then a saddle

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<v Speaker 4>of the flower.

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<v Speaker 1>I think as well, I think that it's that's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the things as well that I think is I

0:27:00.200 --> 0:27:03.439
<v Speaker 1>guess for me didn't work is like the myopic nature

0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:07.080
<v Speaker 1>of like wanting to create like a universal experience of

0:27:07.119 --> 0:27:09.920
<v Speaker 1>like all humans do this while also then just like

0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:12.600
<v Speaker 1>narrowing the idea of like what a human is or

0:27:12.600 --> 0:27:14.320
<v Speaker 1>what a relationship because I get that's the point of

0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:14.720
<v Speaker 1>the movie.

0:27:16.000 --> 0:27:19.000
<v Speaker 6>He's a dreamer, she's she's a true romantic.

0:27:19.240 --> 0:27:21.359
<v Speaker 3>She's just dreaming about people.

0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:29.040
<v Speaker 6>This sequence is so sweet. It is very weird, but

0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:31.960
<v Speaker 6>you like, because.

0:27:32.359 --> 0:27:33.320
<v Speaker 5>You hottest take.

0:27:35.760 --> 0:27:38.320
<v Speaker 6>It's time by it. It's so Lucy.

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<v Speaker 4>I love the character of Lucy because this really works

0:27:41.080 --> 0:27:49.040
<v Speaker 4>with Dakota's like range, which is that's just a cool girl. Yeah, cool,

0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:53.800
<v Speaker 4>that's exactly and then the whole movie is like, Okay,

0:27:53.800 --> 0:27:55.000
<v Speaker 4>so but that girl.

0:27:55.200 --> 0:27:55.719
<v Speaker 3>Is a dreamer.

0:27:55.760 --> 0:27:58.359
<v Speaker 4>She believes in romance, but she got her heart broken.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe she did it.

0:27:59.400 --> 0:28:00.440
<v Speaker 6>To herself little bit.

0:28:01.560 --> 0:28:05.080
<v Speaker 4>She's convinced herself that in order to that romance can't

0:28:05.119 --> 0:28:06.960
<v Speaker 4>possibly exist, and so the safest thing for her to

0:28:06.960 --> 0:28:08.639
<v Speaker 4>do is find a guy with a lot of money,

0:28:08.800 --> 0:28:11.120
<v Speaker 4>because she's constantly about her parents. They were fighting over money,

0:28:11.119 --> 0:28:13.320
<v Speaker 4>they broke up over money. She don't have no money.

0:28:13.440 --> 0:28:17.080
<v Speaker 4>She's like, that's that's the whole solve. She's only got eighty.

0:28:16.960 --> 0:28:18.480
<v Speaker 6>K, but all of that goes toward her hair.

0:28:19.040 --> 0:28:23.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Literally, so she's like her which in New York

0:28:23.200 --> 0:28:25.160
<v Speaker 3>would cost, by the way, like five thousand dollars.

0:28:25.400 --> 0:28:26.639
<v Speaker 6>Buzzling is what we're saying.

0:28:26.720 --> 0:28:29.160
<v Speaker 3>This is what I'm saying, is like, Selene, you can't

0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:31.480
<v Speaker 3>you go to I think the issue for me is

0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:37.119
<v Speaker 3>the there is not enough suspension of this. My suspension

0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:39.360
<v Speaker 3>of disbelief is not high enough with the world you're

0:28:39.360 --> 0:28:44.000
<v Speaker 3>trying to tell us about, and you're telling me that people. No, no,

0:28:44.080 --> 0:28:46.800
<v Speaker 3>not even just that just like she's earning ae.

0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:50.280
<v Speaker 1>K before taxes at a job where she's putting on

0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:54.160
<v Speaker 1>like million dollar weddings every month, Like I absolutely know.

0:28:54.440 --> 0:28:56.160
<v Speaker 3>I do not believe that for a second.

0:28:56.200 --> 0:28:58.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, her commission should be much higher. She's got nine weddings,

0:28:58.640 --> 0:29:01.960
<v Speaker 4>she's the most successful, and they're reporting millionaires as clients.

0:29:01.960 --> 0:29:03.840
<v Speaker 4>The payout is not the scale is not making sense.

0:29:03.880 --> 0:29:07.720
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, I can somewhat overlook that to say, like

0:29:08.320 --> 0:29:10.120
<v Speaker 4>setting her up to be a dreamer and then she

0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:13.440
<v Speaker 4>gets her dream proposal, Like we're inches from a rom

0:29:13.520 --> 0:29:16.800
<v Speaker 4>com here, We're getting so close. It's a little big goofy.

0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:18.600
<v Speaker 4>It just was not spread out evenly enough to hit

0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:20.880
<v Speaker 4>rom com for me. But I do I do like

0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:21.760
<v Speaker 4>the Cavevan sequences.

0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:23.560
<v Speaker 3>I thought that I love that for you.

0:29:23.720 --> 0:29:27.800
<v Speaker 1>Let's talk quickly about chemistry. I love that for your

0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:29.920
<v Speaker 1>job because I'm glad that exists with.

0:29:29.880 --> 0:29:30.640
<v Speaker 3>Someone because.

0:29:31.920 --> 0:29:32.480
<v Speaker 5>Talking about the.

0:29:34.720 --> 0:29:36.560
<v Speaker 3>Moving on, we're moving on.

0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:39.800
<v Speaker 1>We gotta talk about more important things, like chemistry. Is

0:29:39.800 --> 0:29:42.040
<v Speaker 1>there any chemistry in this movie?

0:29:42.560 --> 0:29:45.240
<v Speaker 3>Chemistry? Can I have chemistry with.

0:29:45.320 --> 0:29:47.840
<v Speaker 4>These It's so good that Pedro was here, Like, yeah,

0:29:48.000 --> 0:29:50.080
<v Speaker 4>that guy could have chemistry with a cardboard. He's making

0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:52.520
<v Speaker 4>you feel like warm and when he's like this is

0:29:52.520 --> 0:29:52.880
<v Speaker 4>how tall?

0:29:54.440 --> 0:29:58.240
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, everyone in the cinema whenever he was on

0:29:58.920 --> 0:30:01.800
<v Speaker 1>screen any he brought her the flowers and everything, and

0:30:01.840 --> 0:30:05.520
<v Speaker 1>he's like being really thoughtful about her and snuggling her

0:30:05.560 --> 0:30:08.440
<v Speaker 1>in bed. I think, I don't know, man, I just think, like,

0:30:08.880 --> 0:30:11.760
<v Speaker 1>as a woman who's like almost forty, who's lived through

0:30:11.840 --> 0:30:14.880
<v Speaker 1>dating men for like way too long, and it's bad, guys,

0:30:14.920 --> 0:30:17.520
<v Speaker 1>it's bad out there. I don't think that there should

0:30:17.560 --> 0:30:21.680
<v Speaker 1>be a negative idea of the fact that a woman

0:30:21.800 --> 0:30:25.440
<v Speaker 1>seeks security or safety or a good relationship that isn't

0:30:25.480 --> 0:30:27.960
<v Speaker 1>based on that like war feeling of love that you

0:30:28.040 --> 0:30:29.480
<v Speaker 1>have to like struggle through.

0:30:29.520 --> 0:30:30.920
<v Speaker 3>And I that's the message.

0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:33.760
<v Speaker 1>I think that, in my opinion, this movie did not

0:30:33.880 --> 0:30:35.920
<v Speaker 1>have the chops to talk about.

0:30:35.920 --> 0:30:39.000
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, Pedro, he has chemistry with everyone. Did you

0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:42.240
<v Speaker 3>believe really? I felt like you can have chemistry with anyone.

0:30:43.040 --> 0:30:43.520
<v Speaker 7>I agree.

0:30:43.560 --> 0:30:46.200
<v Speaker 8>He had this amazing walk on moment and him taking

0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:48.840
<v Speaker 8>the name tag tossing it over his shoulder. I was like, Oh,

0:30:48.880 --> 0:30:54.440
<v Speaker 8>we are in for some amazing like convo. And I

0:30:54.440 --> 0:30:56.400
<v Speaker 8>think they had no chemistry. I don't think they needed it.

0:30:56.480 --> 0:30:59.479
<v Speaker 8>I think that's part of the story. And if they

0:30:59.480 --> 0:31:02.040
<v Speaker 8>had too much chemistry, you would want them together. I

0:31:02.080 --> 0:31:03.640
<v Speaker 8>don't think they had entire thing.

0:31:04.040 --> 0:31:05.600
<v Speaker 4>To be fair, Aaron, I agree with you that they

0:31:05.600 --> 0:31:09.120
<v Speaker 4>didn't have the steamy romantic chemistry. It wasn't that I

0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:11.480
<v Speaker 4>thought they had the kind of chemistry which is honestly

0:31:11.760 --> 0:31:14.720
<v Speaker 4>my ideal relationship was just like, oh no, we're buddies exactly.

0:31:15.000 --> 0:31:16.160
<v Speaker 6>We're so comfy together.

0:31:18.360 --> 0:31:23.120
<v Speaker 5>Listen, buddies want lover to be my thrid.

0:31:24.200 --> 0:31:28.600
<v Speaker 1>Yes, dude, it's not about friend zone, it's about being

0:31:29.960 --> 0:31:32.640
<v Speaker 1>If a man, if a man is your if you're

0:31:32.760 --> 0:31:34.040
<v Speaker 1>if your loving.

0:31:35.520 --> 0:31:37.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, literally, like a man will kill you if they

0:31:37.720 --> 0:31:38.680
<v Speaker 3>don't like you like that?

0:31:38.840 --> 0:31:44.080
<v Speaker 4>Is he even he's like no, I will say, obviously,

0:31:44.240 --> 0:31:47.320
<v Speaker 4>primate equity billionaire high serial killer potential.

0:31:49.800 --> 0:31:51.960
<v Speaker 1>But I gotta ask you, guys, then, what about Chris

0:31:51.960 --> 0:31:54.840
<v Speaker 1>Evans and Dakota Johnson Because to me, I felt like

0:31:54.880 --> 0:31:56.880
<v Speaker 1>that was just too talking to.

0:31:59.440 --> 0:32:02.440
<v Speaker 3>See me. I did not feel any kind that was

0:32:02.480 --> 0:32:05.360
<v Speaker 3>a more but like, hey, bro, how's it going? Like

0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:06.760
<v Speaker 3>we went in high school together?

0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:10.480
<v Speaker 1>Like I did not get that at all, Like what

0:32:10.640 --> 0:32:13.800
<v Speaker 1>was I did not get what that relationship was at all. Also,

0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:16.640
<v Speaker 1>can I just say one of the cruelest things about

0:32:16.640 --> 0:32:19.600
<v Speaker 1>this movie, why did she take Pedro Pascalte's play?

0:32:19.720 --> 0:32:21.840
<v Speaker 3>That was like an evil thing to do. That was

0:32:21.840 --> 0:32:23.480
<v Speaker 3>a diabolical.

0:32:23.520 --> 0:32:26.920
<v Speaker 4>Comprehended because they hadn't established like, oh we're friends now,

0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:29.600
<v Speaker 4>you know you could There was still clearly some lingering

0:32:29.640 --> 0:32:31.560
<v Speaker 4>at their first interaction at the wedding. So you're like,

0:32:31.760 --> 0:32:33.640
<v Speaker 4>to bring your ex to a guys who's clearly still

0:32:33.680 --> 0:32:37.239
<v Speaker 4>harboring feelings for you is very strange. I also think

0:32:37.320 --> 0:32:39.240
<v Speaker 4>Chris Evans had more chemistry with Dakota when she was

0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:41.800
<v Speaker 4>not on screen with him and the phone call, Yeah,

0:32:41.840 --> 0:32:43.760
<v Speaker 4>he calls and he's like, oh my god, You're like, man,

0:32:43.800 --> 0:32:45.360
<v Speaker 4>this guy is in he is struck.

0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:47.080
<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:49.880
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, But when they're together.

0:32:51.960 --> 0:32:54.880
<v Speaker 8>I've watched so much of the press tour because I

0:32:55.120 --> 0:32:57.440
<v Speaker 8>have just been so interested in this, like this movie,

0:32:57.960 --> 0:33:00.280
<v Speaker 8>I did not necessarily enjoy it as much as I

0:33:00.320 --> 0:33:02.280
<v Speaker 8>thought I would, But I have watched like every piece

0:33:02.320 --> 0:33:04.400
<v Speaker 8>of the press tour, and the three of them together

0:33:04.440 --> 0:33:06.160
<v Speaker 8>have so much natural.

0:33:07.680 --> 0:33:12.360
<v Speaker 2>On, all of them playing off of each other, like

0:33:13.240 --> 0:33:17.440
<v Speaker 2>is so good and and Dakota is so charming, and

0:33:17.640 --> 0:33:20.880
<v Speaker 2>Pedro and Chris are incredible off of each other, off

0:33:20.920 --> 0:33:24.080
<v Speaker 2>of her, and I don't know why that doesn't come through.

0:33:24.120 --> 0:33:25.120
<v Speaker 7>And I think part of that.

0:33:25.360 --> 0:33:30.080
<v Speaker 8>I again, Past Lives is absolutely beautiful. I think such

0:33:30.120 --> 0:33:33.120
<v Speaker 8>an incredible debut and a movie that I could not

0:33:33.200 --> 0:33:35.400
<v Speaker 8>get over when I first saw it. And I think

0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:39.080
<v Speaker 8>that the script for this one didn't give me that

0:33:39.200 --> 0:33:42.520
<v Speaker 8>same kind of It wasn't Chris Evan's fault, it was

0:33:42.560 --> 0:33:45.000
<v Speaker 8>that the script wasn't there. I think the line that

0:33:45.080 --> 0:33:46.960
<v Speaker 8>you read earlier, Rosie, when I see your face, I

0:33:46.960 --> 0:33:49.200
<v Speaker 8>see wrinkles and children that look like you. I don't

0:33:49.200 --> 0:33:53.880
<v Speaker 8>think that's like a hot amazing.

0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:53.920
<v Speaker 6>Okay, listen, listen.

0:33:53.920 --> 0:33:55.520
<v Speaker 4>I have a married friend. Her name is Hannah. She's

0:33:55.560 --> 0:33:59.000
<v Speaker 4>an amazing person. Her good friend once told her, when

0:33:59.080 --> 0:34:02.000
<v Speaker 4>you can see your your children in your partner's eyes.

0:34:02.040 --> 0:34:03.240
<v Speaker 4>That's when you know it's the one.

0:34:03.840 --> 0:34:05.680
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to care and.

0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:08.800
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, the four of us have very different Yeah, but

0:34:09.160 --> 0:34:11.680
<v Speaker 8>us and definitions of love, which I think is.

0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:12.080
<v Speaker 3>Part of it.

0:34:13.080 --> 0:34:17.279
<v Speaker 1>I think it's a very interesting situation because I do

0:34:17.400 --> 0:34:23.960
<v Speaker 1>think that the vibes and haunting kind of like universal

0:34:24.080 --> 0:34:27.120
<v Speaker 1>connection that people had with Past Lives. I feel like

0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:31.320
<v Speaker 1>there are moments here where Selena is trying to create

0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:34.200
<v Speaker 1>something that is similar and says something like that, But

0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:36.160
<v Speaker 1>then I think that there are moments when it's just

0:34:36.200 --> 0:34:39.160
<v Speaker 1>a rom com and I think that for me, yes

0:34:39.680 --> 0:34:43.640
<v Speaker 1>is the disconnect where I feel like it's tough obviously

0:34:43.880 --> 0:34:46.880
<v Speaker 1>sophomore movie, especially after something like Past Lives that was

0:34:46.960 --> 0:34:50.600
<v Speaker 1>so lauded. I do think that trying to do both

0:34:50.640 --> 0:34:54.680
<v Speaker 1>here is where the movie kind of stylistically and emotionally

0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:55.960
<v Speaker 1>doesn't connect.

0:34:56.760 --> 0:34:59.440
<v Speaker 5>I absolutely agree, Like I don't necessarily agree that the

0:34:59.480 --> 0:35:03.920
<v Speaker 5>writing was bad, but I think the writing was at

0:35:03.960 --> 0:35:06.400
<v Speaker 5>war with itself because it was like, I'm going to

0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:13.239
<v Speaker 5>critique modern dating and modern ideas of love within the

0:35:13.280 --> 0:35:16.040
<v Speaker 5>sandbox of traditional romcom tropes.

0:35:15.719 --> 0:35:18.799
<v Speaker 3>And the traditional choice of like follow your heart and

0:35:18.880 --> 0:35:21.080
<v Speaker 3>go with the guys.

0:35:21.160 --> 0:35:26.600
<v Speaker 5>With the traditional message.

0:35:25.280 --> 0:35:27.759
<v Speaker 3>To say, like pick this guy, he's kind of and

0:35:27.800 --> 0:35:28.200
<v Speaker 3>I think.

0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:30.480
<v Speaker 5>That does undercut some of its own message. Like I

0:35:30.480 --> 0:35:33.520
<v Speaker 5>also hated that line about the I see wrinkles and kids,

0:35:33.880 --> 0:35:36.000
<v Speaker 5>because like, that is what you hear in a nineties

0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:38.000
<v Speaker 5>rom com when you go that was cheesy and cute,

0:35:38.040 --> 0:35:40.200
<v Speaker 5>But whatever that fits in this movie, I don't think

0:35:40.200 --> 0:35:43.400
<v Speaker 5>it fits in this movie because this movie is trying

0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:48.080
<v Speaker 5>to be subversive and so to still be like holding

0:35:48.120 --> 0:35:50.960
<v Speaker 5>on to rom coom trophy lines like that, I think

0:35:51.040 --> 0:35:52.640
<v Speaker 5>is where the script worked against it.

0:35:52.960 --> 0:35:57.760
<v Speaker 8>I there's also right right before that, they're sitting there

0:35:57.760 --> 0:35:59.839
<v Speaker 8>on the barrels watching the wedding and they're like, why

0:35:59.880 --> 0:36:02.799
<v Speaker 8>does anyone ever get married? And Dakotas's she goes on

0:36:02.840 --> 0:36:05.640
<v Speaker 8>this little monologue about like, you know, they do it

0:36:05.640 --> 0:36:07.920
<v Speaker 8>because they're lonely, and they then they're hopeful. But then

0:36:07.920 --> 0:36:10.239
<v Speaker 8>she says, but all marriages, you know, then you get

0:36:10.280 --> 0:36:12.200
<v Speaker 8>mad at each other and you fight, and then you

0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:13.040
<v Speaker 8>have kids.

0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:14.719
<v Speaker 3>And they hate each other to fight in.

0:36:14.680 --> 0:36:16.160
<v Speaker 8>Front of the kids, and then you do fight in

0:36:16.160 --> 0:36:18.319
<v Speaker 8>front of the kids and you resent each other for that,

0:36:18.840 --> 0:36:23.000
<v Speaker 8>which to me felt so cliche and like you're not

0:36:23.040 --> 0:36:26.800
<v Speaker 8>saying anything new. Like every rom com ever has started

0:36:26.800 --> 0:36:29.960
<v Speaker 8>with a woman who thinks oh, or or like the

0:36:30.000 --> 0:36:32.240
<v Speaker 8>main character is a man and he thinks, oh, marriage

0:36:32.280 --> 0:36:34.719
<v Speaker 8>never works everyone it doesn't work out. But that goes

0:36:34.760 --> 0:36:36.400
<v Speaker 8>to the beginning of the film. Yeah, to do that

0:36:36.480 --> 0:36:39.200
<v Speaker 8>in the back thirdy. I also thought right before, like.

0:36:39.320 --> 0:36:41.959
<v Speaker 1>It was weird because you bring up something that which

0:36:42.000 --> 0:36:44.880
<v Speaker 1>is like, I don't we talk about like the business

0:36:45.080 --> 0:36:47.680
<v Speaker 1>aspects of this, and I don't. I actually don't think

0:36:47.719 --> 0:36:51.000
<v Speaker 1>I think that's a good way to approach things from

0:36:51.040 --> 0:36:53.879
<v Speaker 1>a logical standpoint, even though you do need to follow

0:36:53.880 --> 0:36:55.680
<v Speaker 1>your heart and be happy and be attracted to person

0:36:55.719 --> 0:36:59.080
<v Speaker 1>and love the person. But like, I don't understand what

0:37:00.280 --> 0:37:02.200
<v Speaker 1>Chris Evans. I feel like they didn't do a good

0:37:02.280 --> 0:37:04.040
<v Speaker 1>enough job. I would have loved to know what the

0:37:04.080 --> 0:37:11.719
<v Speaker 1>conversation looks like if you are Chris Evans, like and

0:37:11.880 --> 0:37:16.480
<v Speaker 1>Thecotta and Dakota Johnson's character having a conversation about what

0:37:16.560 --> 0:37:21.359
<v Speaker 1>they would each bring to the marriage. Like everyone else

0:37:21.440 --> 0:37:24.720
<v Speaker 1>is talking about what do you bring, money, height, whatever,

0:37:24.840 --> 0:37:27.759
<v Speaker 1>the way you look, your skinniness, blah blah blah, But like,

0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:31.399
<v Speaker 1>what is their conversation because to me, I don't really

0:37:31.480 --> 0:37:34.399
<v Speaker 1>understand it. It's just they loved each other once and

0:37:34.960 --> 0:37:36.759
<v Speaker 1>we're bad to each other, and now they're going to

0:37:36.800 --> 0:37:38.799
<v Speaker 1>get married and be bad to each other again. Like

0:37:38.840 --> 0:37:40.919
<v Speaker 1>I feel like that was missing. It's like I don't

0:37:41.000 --> 0:37:43.680
<v Speaker 1>know why they liked each other, and I don't.

0:37:43.480 --> 0:37:48.480
<v Speaker 4>Know, they just do. They're in love, like there's no

0:37:48.640 --> 0:37:49.600
<v Speaker 4>logic behind it.

0:37:50.400 --> 0:37:52.200
<v Speaker 6>And they have the whole conversation in front of that partner.

0:37:52.239 --> 0:37:53.520
<v Speaker 4>He's like, I don't even know if this is a

0:37:53.600 --> 0:37:56.040
<v Speaker 4>logical thing for us to do, but I would stick

0:37:56.080 --> 0:37:57.239
<v Speaker 4>around that.

0:37:58.560 --> 0:38:01.640
<v Speaker 5>When you look when you're All I can bring to

0:38:01.680 --> 0:38:03.719
<v Speaker 5>the table is that I will love you.

0:38:04.239 --> 0:38:07.080
<v Speaker 7>I'll set a phone reminder and every morning it'll say

0:38:07.280 --> 0:38:08.920
<v Speaker 7>six a m. Don't forget you.

0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:10.680
<v Speaker 3>Why do you need a phone reminder?

0:38:11.120 --> 0:38:13.479
<v Speaker 5>Which which like I think, like that is the point

0:38:13.480 --> 0:38:15.000
<v Speaker 5>of the movie, is like love is something you do

0:38:15.160 --> 0:38:18.200
<v Speaker 5>choose every single day and that you that you pursue

0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:20.399
<v Speaker 5>for your entire life with the person that you love.

0:38:20.600 --> 0:38:24.040
<v Speaker 5>Right you, I believe you should never stop flirting with

0:38:24.239 --> 0:38:27.040
<v Speaker 5>your partner to an annoying degree.

0:38:27.040 --> 0:38:28.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure, yeah, of course, no, that you're going to

0:38:28.680 --> 0:38:30.640
<v Speaker 3>do that because otherwise, like this, what of course you

0:38:30.960 --> 0:38:31.560
<v Speaker 3>have to do that?

0:38:31.640 --> 0:38:34.440
<v Speaker 5>And I think like, but that's not transactional. That's not

0:38:34.480 --> 0:38:36.759
<v Speaker 5>me saying like I'm choosing you, so like what are

0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:38.520
<v Speaker 5>you bringing here? Like can you do the dishes or

0:38:38.520 --> 0:38:43.040
<v Speaker 5>something like. That's that's an intangible feeling that I pursue

0:38:43.040 --> 0:38:44.960
<v Speaker 5>because I love a person, and I think like that

0:38:45.160 --> 0:38:47.719
<v Speaker 5>is the whole point of this film. And I think

0:38:47.760 --> 0:38:51.680
<v Speaker 5>a lot like how you perceive love, how how much

0:38:51.719 --> 0:38:54.960
<v Speaker 5>of a like sappy, romantic person you are, Because at

0:38:54.960 --> 0:38:56.640
<v Speaker 5>the end of the day, like the message is just

0:38:57.400 --> 0:38:59.960
<v Speaker 5>love is intangible. You can't put it in an app.

0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:03.080
<v Speaker 5>You can't have a matchmaker put you on paper with

0:39:03.120 --> 0:39:05.960
<v Speaker 5>another person, and you will feel what you will feel

0:39:06.000 --> 0:39:08.200
<v Speaker 5>about different people in your life, whether they are rich,

0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:10.520
<v Speaker 5>whether they are quote unquote poor. I don't know that

0:39:10.560 --> 0:39:12.680
<v Speaker 5>we classify Chris Evans as poor.

0:39:12.840 --> 0:39:14.600
<v Speaker 3>No, I know. And that is another thing I will

0:39:14.640 --> 0:39:17.600
<v Speaker 3>say that I do get pissed off about about most movies. Yeah,

0:39:17.880 --> 0:39:20.319
<v Speaker 3>It's like when they show an apartment like that, and look,

0:39:20.400 --> 0:39:22.239
<v Speaker 3>I'm saying I don't think you should move in with

0:39:22.280 --> 0:39:24.600
<v Speaker 3>someone who has roommates because that's just stressful.

0:39:24.719 --> 0:39:28.400
<v Speaker 1>Rights, Yeah, but that apartment just looked like my fucking

0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:31.080
<v Speaker 1>apartment in la It looks like every normal person that

0:39:31.120 --> 0:39:31.960
<v Speaker 1>I knows apartment.

0:39:32.200 --> 0:39:34.520
<v Speaker 3>And it's another thing Hollywood always.

0:39:34.440 --> 0:39:37.560
<v Speaker 1>Stresses me out with, is like they don't know how

0:39:37.640 --> 0:39:41.319
<v Speaker 1>to show a normal person's house without being like this

0:39:41.520 --> 0:39:45.520
<v Speaker 1>is gross, like every house needs to cost thirteen million dollars.

0:39:45.960 --> 0:39:48.440
<v Speaker 1>And again, yeah, I think there's just there's just something

0:39:48.480 --> 0:39:52.920
<v Speaker 1>here that didn't connect. But I love your read on airboo,

0:39:52.920 --> 0:39:54.880
<v Speaker 1>and I do think it's I think that's really sweet

0:39:55.400 --> 0:39:56.440
<v Speaker 1>and I'm a bad.

0:39:56.640 --> 0:40:14.400
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, okay, real quick, can we just talk briefly about

0:40:14.440 --> 0:40:15.640
<v Speaker 8>the end credits scene.

0:40:16.400 --> 0:40:17.319
<v Speaker 7>Did everyone see the end.

0:40:17.239 --> 0:40:19.359
<v Speaker 6>Credit I didn't see it. I thought it was fine.

0:40:19.400 --> 0:40:22.279
<v Speaker 4>It's a very seventies way to end a movie. Or

0:40:22.320 --> 0:40:24.399
<v Speaker 4>you just hold on a shot and you're just watching them.

0:40:24.480 --> 0:40:25.080
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, boo.

0:40:25.200 --> 0:40:27.400
<v Speaker 8>If you didn't see it, or anyone in the audience

0:40:27.400 --> 0:40:30.440
<v Speaker 8>who didn't see it. The movie ends with a shot

0:40:30.480 --> 0:40:32.600
<v Speaker 8>of New York City Hall, and this is where you

0:40:32.640 --> 0:40:33.200
<v Speaker 8>go to get.

0:40:33.080 --> 0:40:35.600
<v Speaker 3>Your marriage and you.

0:40:35.040 --> 0:40:37.960
<v Speaker 8>Get married if you are getting married at City Hall.

0:40:38.080 --> 0:40:40.239
<v Speaker 8>I got married at City Hall, so I was in

0:40:40.280 --> 0:40:45.360
<v Speaker 8>that exact room I was at. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and

0:40:45.680 --> 0:40:48.120
<v Speaker 8>you could see my hair in the back yeah yeah.

0:40:48.320 --> 0:40:51.320
<v Speaker 8>I was like, hey, honey, I think that's Captain America

0:40:51.360 --> 0:40:56.520
<v Speaker 8>over there and seens. Yeah, Celene's song also got married

0:40:56.560 --> 0:40:58.000
<v Speaker 8>at City I don't know she got married at City

0:40:58.000 --> 0:40:59.880
<v Speaker 8>Hall or she just went to pick up her marriage license.

0:41:00.239 --> 0:41:03.400
<v Speaker 8>But there's something really interesting about that which I like,

0:41:03.480 --> 0:41:06.640
<v Speaker 8>because that is like this deep New York institution where

0:41:06.680 --> 0:41:10.160
<v Speaker 8>like everyone kind of has to go there to pick

0:41:10.239 --> 0:41:13.920
<v Speaker 8>up your marriage license. We legit did our wedding there

0:41:15.400 --> 0:41:18.040
<v Speaker 8>as opposed to doing like an official wedding elsewhere. So

0:41:19.040 --> 0:41:22.560
<v Speaker 8>I personally was against it at first because I was like,

0:41:22.560 --> 0:41:24.480
<v Speaker 8>I don't want to get married around a bunch of strangers,

0:41:24.480 --> 0:41:26.200
<v Speaker 8>Like I want to get married around people who I

0:41:26.280 --> 0:41:28.719
<v Speaker 8>know and care about. But when we got there and

0:41:28.760 --> 0:41:32.399
<v Speaker 8>did it, I totally changed my mind because I wasn't

0:41:32.440 --> 0:41:35.560
<v Speaker 8>going to marry her, I'm kidding. But when I got there,

0:41:35.600 --> 0:41:38.880
<v Speaker 8>it actually was amazing because you are surrounded by a

0:41:38.920 --> 0:41:41.960
<v Speaker 8>bunch of other people who are also surrounded by strangers

0:41:42.080 --> 0:41:44.080
<v Speaker 8>who are just there with the person that they love,

0:41:44.200 --> 0:41:46.480
<v Speaker 8>and maybe some family or guests are there. But so

0:41:46.600 --> 0:41:51.160
<v Speaker 8>it's this space that is like inherently administrative and clerical

0:41:51.360 --> 0:41:56.080
<v Speaker 8>and like very business y, but also just people in love.

0:41:56.400 --> 0:41:59.200
<v Speaker 8>So it's like a really cool place to end and

0:41:59.280 --> 0:42:02.960
<v Speaker 8>I really enjoyed that. That didn't change the fact that

0:42:03.000 --> 0:42:04.000
<v Speaker 8>I don't love this movie.

0:42:06.960 --> 0:42:11.239
<v Speaker 5>It's very very complimentary for a movie you allegedly I

0:42:11.280 --> 0:42:11.640
<v Speaker 5>don't know.

0:42:11.960 --> 0:42:15.320
<v Speaker 8>Right, So look, I mean, I think if we judge

0:42:15.360 --> 0:42:18.200
<v Speaker 8>these movies, this movie, and I'm saying, would I go

0:42:18.239 --> 0:42:19.399
<v Speaker 8>on a second date with this movie?

0:42:19.440 --> 0:42:19.719
<v Speaker 7>I will.

0:42:19.719 --> 0:42:21.480
<v Speaker 8>I'm gonna watch this again. I have listened to the

0:42:21.520 --> 0:42:24.799
<v Speaker 8>soundtrack a bunch because I really enjoy the sounds. Yeah,

0:42:25.040 --> 0:42:27.640
<v Speaker 8>we didn't, Daniel Peperton. It's an incredible composer.

0:42:27.760 --> 0:42:29.840
<v Speaker 7>I love it. I'll watch this again at some point.

0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:33.000
<v Speaker 7>It's just that I didn't like it.

0:42:33.080 --> 0:42:35.640
<v Speaker 3>I will not. I will not watch it again.

0:42:35.719 --> 0:42:39.400
<v Speaker 1>But I am so happy that I love any movie

0:42:39.440 --> 0:42:42.040
<v Speaker 1>that makes people happy and makes people think about romance

0:42:42.120 --> 0:42:42.600
<v Speaker 1>and stuff.

0:42:42.640 --> 0:42:44.000
<v Speaker 3>I grew up.

0:42:43.960 --> 0:42:48.560
<v Speaker 1>Not loving romantic comedies due simply to internalize misogyny, and

0:42:48.600 --> 0:42:51.200
<v Speaker 1>I have recently discovered how much joy they bring me

0:42:51.239 --> 0:42:53.680
<v Speaker 1>in the last like eight nine years of my life.

0:42:53.760 --> 0:42:55.880
<v Speaker 3>I love Sandra Bullock movies.

0:42:55.960 --> 0:42:59.760
<v Speaker 1>I love Nicole Kidman, I love loving basketball like Brian

0:43:00.120 --> 0:43:02.719
<v Speaker 1>Grian this I I have had so much fun rediscovering

0:43:02.719 --> 0:43:04.920
<v Speaker 1>those and I'm sure for some people this will be

0:43:04.960 --> 0:43:07.200
<v Speaker 1>that bomb be real Guys, if I'm gonna watch it,

0:43:07.200 --> 0:43:09.680
<v Speaker 1>this go a Johnson movie again, It's gonna be Madam Webb.

0:43:09.719 --> 0:43:11.719
<v Speaker 1>I had such a better time watching that than this,

0:43:12.120 --> 0:43:14.799
<v Speaker 1>Like this was hard for me to watch. I think

0:43:14.840 --> 0:43:18.520
<v Speaker 1>I almost got kicked out of the Alamo draft House,

0:43:18.600 --> 0:43:21.319
<v Speaker 1>probably because I was like sighing and just like I

0:43:21.360 --> 0:43:24.520
<v Speaker 1>could not stop exclaiming it did not hit for me, just.

0:43:26.160 --> 0:43:26.680
<v Speaker 7>My eyes.

0:43:26.719 --> 0:43:28.600
<v Speaker 3>People could hear them rolling in my head.

0:43:29.200 --> 0:43:31.440
<v Speaker 1>I will not be going on another date with movies,

0:43:31.560 --> 0:43:33.640
<v Speaker 1>but I will say I hope everyone else who does

0:43:33.680 --> 0:43:35.520
<v Speaker 1>go in a date with this movie enjoys it as

0:43:35.600 --> 0:43:37.719
<v Speaker 1>much as Joel and Aboo, Joel, will you be going

0:43:37.760 --> 0:43:39.320
<v Speaker 1>on another date with this movie?

0:43:39.920 --> 0:43:40.160
<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

0:43:40.200 --> 0:43:43.239
<v Speaker 4>I really want to interrogate we we sort of very

0:43:43.239 --> 0:43:45.000
<v Speaker 4>briefly touched on it, and we don't need to do

0:43:45.000 --> 0:43:46.880
<v Speaker 4>a fullish Fiel here, but like, I want to revisit

0:43:46.960 --> 0:43:50.600
<v Speaker 4>the movie so that I can better analyze this client

0:43:50.680 --> 0:43:52.680
<v Speaker 4>she has. She's such a and this is like a

0:43:52.920 --> 0:43:55.120
<v Speaker 4>good warning for folks who maybe haven't seen the movie

0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:57.440
<v Speaker 4>and are gonna use this as a degree whether to

0:43:57.480 --> 0:44:00.600
<v Speaker 4>watch it. One of Lucy's client to set up on

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<v Speaker 4>a date, she winds up being assaulted. You don't see

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<v Speaker 4>the assault in the film at all.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the deal with that. Yes, extensive and a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of diff I k it comes up again and again,

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<v Speaker 3>whether you feel like it.

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<v Speaker 4>I was almost saying, by the way they managed it

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<v Speaker 4>and how and how they sort of navigated, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>both as a professional tragedy for Lucy and as like

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<v Speaker 4>a real world consequence for this woman. And I think

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<v Speaker 4>in a film about dating and choosing partners, to take

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<v Speaker 4>a moment to stop and address the actual dangers of

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<v Speaker 4>dating for women again feels really important to modern dating.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it was, but yeah, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like to me, I didn't feel like it was successful.

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<v Speaker 3>I do think it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I also, my biggest like mark against this movie is

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<v Speaker 1>that Dakota Johnson's character Lucy set this woman up with

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<v Speaker 1>this guy because she didn't know what else to do

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<v Speaker 1>with her. That's a major plot point of the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>She ends up getting raped, sexually assaulted. We don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what happens, but it sounds like it was really bad.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Dacora Johnson can't even set her up with

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<v Speaker 1>Pedro Pascal, like, she just sets her up with a dentist.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, are you matter her up at all.

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<v Speaker 4>She's not anymore right, it's not her client copy.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm saying, I'm sorry. Like to me, I'm like, come on,

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<v Speaker 3>you could at least have a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 3>happily ever after for this poor woman. Like there's gotta

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<v Speaker 3>be some outcome. No, she just gets a dentist.

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<v Speaker 7>Also, but she has no friends in New York? What's

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<v Speaker 7>going on?

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<v Speaker 1>There has no female friends in this movie.

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<v Speaker 3>She does not any.

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<v Speaker 7>Point, not her client, neither of that.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, no point speaks to a friend about her

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<v Speaker 1>issues between choosing between these two men. She had no

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<v Speaker 1>point calls a friend or text is a female friend. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's insane that in a movie about dating, she does

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<v Speaker 1>not spend time with other women. I just don't find

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<v Speaker 1>that believable.

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<v Speaker 8>Aboo, are you going on a second date with this movie?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 5>Once was fine?

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<v Speaker 8>I like.

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<v Speaker 7>That much, guys, I liked but like.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know, it's it's just not a masterpiece of

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<v Speaker 5>any you know, it's a it's a fine movie. I

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<v Speaker 5>enjoyed it. I liked it's like pretty simplistic message about

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<v Speaker 5>love and because you are old fashion how you pursue love.

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<v Speaker 5>And you know, everyone was looking hot and was super

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<v Speaker 5>well lit, and I do want to compliment the cinematography

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<v Speaker 5>of the film, the way it like hung on these

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<v Speaker 5>two uncomfortable two shots during during these conversational moments. Is

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<v Speaker 5>very difficult to make a movie that is ninety nine

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<v Speaker 5>percent to people talking across a dinner table, interesting, intense,

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<v Speaker 5>and this movie manages to do that. So I think

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<v Speaker 5>there was a lot of art and craft behind this film.

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<v Speaker 5>And despite its like clunkiness and some of the scripts

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<v Speaker 5>being at war with itself and Dakota Johnson frankly absolutely

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<v Speaker 5>taking me out of it every.

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<v Speaker 3>Time is not a Dclota Johnson fan.

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<v Speaker 5>I've never seen Dakota Johnson in anything, so I had

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<v Speaker 5>no context going in. I was like, oh my gosh, Like,

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<v Speaker 5>have you.

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<v Speaker 7>Not seen Social Network? She's in Social Network Bad Times

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<v Speaker 7>at El Royale.

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<v Speaker 3>Remembering He's remembering.

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<v Speaker 7>No, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know that I've ever seen her. Regardless, I

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<v Speaker 5>liked the movie. I don't feel like I need to

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<v Speaker 5>see it again.

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<v Speaker 7>It was it was.

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<v Speaker 3>Fun, shocking that me and a Boo are on the

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<v Speaker 3>same page. Chair you will not be reasons.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm just gonna watch Past Lives again.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, just watch Past lives on Madam Web.

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<v Speaker 7>Guys, come on just watch past Life.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you guys so much for joining me. I am

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<v Speaker 3>very excited that we got to talk about this.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate so much about X ray and the you

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<v Speaker 1>guys input the most. That we can just like disagree

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<v Speaker 1>with stuff and actually dig into it and have a

0:47:58.640 --> 0:48:01.239
<v Speaker 1>conversation about why a movie works and why it doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think this was a wonderful example of that.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you so much for joining me on this episode.

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<v Speaker 7>Guys, it was a blessed jua.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, You're so welcome. I'm stoked that we got

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<v Speaker 3>to do it. Sorry to anyone involved in the making

0:48:15.200 --> 0:48:17.359
<v Speaker 3>of this movie. I appreciate all the work that went

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<v Speaker 3>into it. I'm sorry I didn't like it.

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<v Speaker 1>On the next episode of Extra Vision, it is our

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<v Speaker 1>roundtable discussion of twenty eight years later.

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<v Speaker 3>That is going to be very very fun and very

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<v Speaker 3>deep divy because there is a lot to talk about

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<v Speaker 3>on that one. That is our episode. Thank you for listening.

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<v Speaker 1>X Ray Vision is hosted by Jason steps Young and

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<v Speaker 1>Rosie Night and as a production of iHeart Podcast. Our

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<v Speaker 1>executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

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<v Speaker 7>Our supervising producer is Abuzafar.

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<v Speaker 1>Our producers are Carmen Laurent, Dean Johnson and Fay Wack.

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<v Speaker 8>A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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<v Speaker 8>songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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<v Speaker 1>Asual thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and

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