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Speaker 1: Warning, Today's episode contains spoilers for Selene Songs Materialists, so

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Speaker 1: go and see that before you listen this, or just

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Speaker 1: listen to this so you can understand the divisive discourse

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Speaker 1: around what was supposed to be the summer's biggest rom com.

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Speaker 2: Hello.

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Speaker 3: My name is Rosie Night and I'm Joel Monique. Oh

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Speaker 3: hi Joel. So good to have you here, and welcome

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Speaker 3: back to X ray Vision, the podcast where we dive deep,

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Speaker 3: deep deep into your favorite shows.

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Speaker 1: Movies, comics, and pop culture. Coming to you at iHeart Podcast,

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Speaker 1: where we'll be bringing you at least three episodes a week,

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Speaker 1: plus news news Saturday's News.

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Speaker 4: In today's episode, we've got a special little double date.

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Speaker 4: We're joined by A Boo and In to break down

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Speaker 4: our feel on Slen Song's divisive new movie Materialists.

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Speaker 3: Let's let's talk about it, Let's get into it.

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Speaker 1: Let's introduce our panel, welcoming a super producers, A Boo

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Speaker 1: and Aaron.

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Speaker 3: Hello. Hello, Hello, how are you feeling guys?

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Speaker 5: I'm feeling tentatively excited for this conversation.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think it's going to be very interesting and

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Speaker 1: very actually equally sided. We're going to have a dueling

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Speaker 1: double date situation and a boo. I believe it's going

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Speaker 1: to be you and Joel versus me and Aaron, Me

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Speaker 1: and Aaron, the controversial take havas as usual. So let's

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Speaker 1: start with the big question here, and we're going to

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Speaker 1: do a little quote from the movie. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: do a good This is going to be my Chris

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Speaker 1: Evans impression. When I see your face, I see wrinkles

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Speaker 1: and children that look like you. So the big question is,

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Speaker 1: is the materialists a romantic comedy?

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Speaker 3: Guys A boo, Let's start with you.

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Speaker 5: I don't know what kind of math y'all were doing

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Speaker 5: watching this movie, but there is romance, there is comedy,

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Speaker 5: So yeah, it's a com okay on.

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Speaker 6: Your side of boo. But I don't think it's a comedy.

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Speaker 4: I think it's the satire of a romantic comedy, which

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Speaker 4: I really value and think is like vitally.

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Speaker 6: Important for the culture right now.

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Speaker 4: I think if in order to reach romantic comedy uh

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Speaker 4: status to me, you need to be way heavier on

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Speaker 4: the comedy. There are a few light jokes here and there.

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Speaker 4: It's spattered throughout, but they're.

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Speaker 7: Good jokes and they're fine.

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Speaker 6: There's I'm not.

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Speaker 4: Criticizing the jokes that are in there, but the jokes

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Speaker 4: are few and far in between. It's not a jokey movie.

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Speaker 4: The point of the movie is not for you to

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Speaker 4: like it's so funny and charming. It's like the antithesis

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Speaker 4: rom com status for me, a genre I'm absolutely obsessed with.

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Speaker 6: But it does critique the rom com which I really value.

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Speaker 3: I would say, I do agree.

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Speaker 1: I actually went into this hoping for the kind of

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Speaker 3: I love a marketing campaign.

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Speaker 1: That subverts your expectations, so I get what they were doing.

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Speaker 1: But for me, I wanted the version of the movie

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Speaker 1: Selene did really well here is it does feature many

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Speaker 1: unexpected ways, even the negatives in my opinion, Like there

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Speaker 3: Why was this included?

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Speaker 1: But they try and handle it here with more gravitas,

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Speaker 1: And that is a plotline about a sexual assault, and

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Speaker 3: That took me out of the kind of comedy space.

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Speaker 1: And also another thing, this is kind of funny because

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Speaker 1: She's outside the movie. She's outside, and she's wearing like

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I for me, the rom com was not

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Speaker 3: calming enough. Aaron, how did you feel about that specific

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean in the press tour, they talked up

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Speaker 8: exact same story about you know, head versus heart when

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Speaker 8: you're trying to pick a relationship, and I don't.

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Speaker 7: Think it was. I loved a lot of the moments

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Speaker 8: I think the bridesmaids prancing in as like this like

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Speaker 8: cohesive little unit. Chris Evans' roommates, Chris Evans play was

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Speaker 8: like obviously her interactions with every single that she's trying

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Speaker 8: to take with that, and the movie starts off and

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Speaker 8: you think it's gonna be a rom com because of

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Speaker 8: the like are you single? Give me a call, I'll

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Speaker 8: I thought this was gonna be a nice, easy, romantic comedy,

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Speaker 6: Can I you actually, Aaron? That really highlights something for me?

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Speaker 4: Uh, it's the goofy factor that's missing. You need like

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Speaker 4: a good wrong I'll give you be like, uh the

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Speaker 8: Yeah, there's no singing sorry with the fringe on top

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Speaker 8: also an emotional beat. This this didn't bring comedy with

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Speaker 3: I would okay boo, I had you had a count

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Speaker 3: it to Aaron, so please share.

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Speaker 5: Well, really, I have a counter to this whole rom

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Speaker 5: com narrative I you seem to be dissecting. First of all,

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Speaker 5: it sounds like y'all got duped by the marketing I did,

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Speaker 5: especial in a movie that you didn't get. I didn't

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Speaker 5: watch a trailer. I just saw that Pedro Pascal and

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Speaker 6: Like, sure, you mean same boat?

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Speaker 5: And I just randomly went to go see this movie

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Speaker 5: I so understandably it seems like it was marketed as

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Speaker 3: I will say I did. I did absolutely get duped.

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Speaker 1: Like when I came out, I had quite a visceral

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Speaker 3: It just it really wasn't for me.

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Speaker 1: But when I came out, I was talking to my friends,

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Speaker 5: That's certainly not the movie. But I will say, all

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Speaker 5: of you seem to be basically describing the Notebook, and

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Speaker 5: you realize you can stream that on peacock.

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Speaker 3: That's not a romantic comedy. It's a romantic tragedy that's

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Speaker 3: more of this kind of movie because it's my favorite.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, I will say the outcome of this

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Speaker 1: I actually can no longer remember her name, even though

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Speaker 1: But you know me, I love to coach Johnson in

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Speaker 5: Okay, we do need to we do need to hash

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Speaker 5: that out later then, yeah, because I thought it ended properly,

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Speaker 5: but apparently you must chill with theiaire.

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Speaker 3: I don't even think it's about that.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, let's past to an ad break before it

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Speaker 1: gets too spicy. And when we come back after hopefully

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Speaker 1: we will come back in the Door Company.

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Speaker 3: We will come back and discuss the ending and much more.

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Speaker 1: And we're back and in the middle we were all

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Speaker 1: fighting each other and it was crazy, but we survived.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about what the movie is really about.

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Speaker 1: With another quote, and this is a Dakota Johnson quote.

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Speaker 1: She kind of just always talks like she's in Madam Webb,

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Speaker 1: so to be like, you know how to do the math?

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Speaker 3: Don't you too too much inflection? I think she has

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Speaker 3: a lot of inflection, but it's weird inflection.

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Speaker 7: So you're saying it's more of a like a weird inflection.

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Speaker 3: You know how to do the math, don't you?

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Speaker 1: Something like that? But anyway, I could never be to

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Speaker 1: Cota Johnson. She is a queen in my life. I

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Speaker 1: She's she's beautiful and crazy and has never ever been

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Speaker 3: That casting is insane and what were you thinking?

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about this because I do think a

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Speaker 1: year eight thousand dollars a year in New York, one

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Speaker 3: Bedroom.

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Speaker 1: And but let's talk about this aspect because I do

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Speaker 1: feel like, as someone who has been out of the

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Speaker 1: maybe this is the side of the movie that did

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Speaker 1: not speak to me that I did not get, which

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Speaker 1: is kind of the movie from a lot of what

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Speaker 1: I've been reading is the movie as a take on

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Speaker 1: the state of modern dating.

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Speaker 3: So aboo.

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Speaker 1: You were someone who brought this up like instantly when

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Speaker 1: we were having this conversation, So let's talk about that.

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Speaker 1: Is this a satire on modern dating and the way

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Speaker 1: that people value each other or perceive value in each other?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, I think that's ninety percent of what this movie

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Speaker 5: is about, and the other percent is just romcom tropes.

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Speaker 5: Like at the core of this movie, it's exploring the

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Speaker 5: way that modern dating has been shaped and warped by

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Speaker 5: capitalism and the prevalence of apps and just the reprioritization

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Speaker 5: of what people are looking for in partnerships and in connection. Right.

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Speaker 5: Pedro Pascal at one point makes the sales pitch to

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Speaker 7: I am rich, I.

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Speaker 5: She can call the billionaire that she's going to Italy

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Speaker 3: I just I did see like the kind of controversy

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Speaker 6: Here's this is.

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Speaker 4: But that's the These two are equals about the whole movie,

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00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:57,920
Speaker 4: which is the thing we often don't get in rong comps.

441
00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,200
Speaker 4: I think rong coms often encourage women to go seek

442
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,399
Speaker 4: wealthy men, and we ignore a lot of the things

443
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,240
Speaker 4: that they're not bringing to the table, like emotional maturity

444
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,400
Speaker 4: and like genuine loved Like oh, well, they have money

445
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,400
Speaker 4: and they find me attractive, So off we go into

446
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 4: the sunset. This movie completely disrupts set. They're like, do

447
00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,239
Speaker 4: you actually have a connection with this person? Do you

448
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,880
Speaker 4: want to build a life with them? And most importantly,

449
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,159
Speaker 4: do you acknowledge what you're sacrificing by choosing to be

450
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,439
Speaker 4: in a relationship with this person. I think anytime you

451
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,239
Speaker 4: make a choice, you're closing the door on a lot

452
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,680
Speaker 4: of other choices. So she makes a very open eyed

453
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,400
Speaker 4: choice to say, despite all of the shortcomings, I still

454
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,600
Speaker 4: choose to be with you. I think that to me

455
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 4: is like it's a very grounded love story. It's not

456
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 4: a love story about getting swept up and chaotic moments

457
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,679
Speaker 4: that bring us closer together. It's the love story about

458
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,480
Speaker 4: choosing to be with a person. And I found like

459
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 4: that to me is profoundly deep and important and like

460
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:50,360
Speaker 4: a message a lot of.

461
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:51,400
Speaker 6: The girls need to hear.

462
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Speaker 4: And I like that she leaves in a space of like,

463
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 4: I can make a choice, I can choose to be

464
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,480
Speaker 4: the breadwinner of this relationship. I love that you act.

465
00:21:58,600 --> 00:21:59,959
Speaker 4: Like watching you act, even if you're play a shit,

466
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,479
Speaker 4: I like you. I like that you perceived this. And

467
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,880
Speaker 4: she leaves enough space for him, and I was like, wow,

468
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,960
Speaker 4: even though these are not the choices I would have made, Lucy,

469
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 4: I appreciate and.

470
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Speaker 6: See for your choices. And I really valued the movie

471
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 6: for pushing that direct.

472
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Speaker 1: Beautifully said Yeah, I love I love I love that take.

473
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Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell you, Joel, next time you come

474
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 1: around to my house, I'm gonna show you five Hallmark

475
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 1: movies where a woman has an option to have a

476
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:24,919
Speaker 1: promotion and chooses to go with a broke guy who

477
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 1: runs a farm.

478
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 3: It's like, legitimately, like.

479
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 1: It's the Hallmark choice every time, Aaron, how do you

480
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Speaker 1: feel about this specific aspect of like just.

481
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Speaker 3: What you did like and you didn't like? Like what walk?

482
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Speaker 3: Don't walk?

483
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Speaker 7: It's so funny. I find myself agreeing with each of

484
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 7: you at different.

485
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 8: Times, which a conversation a great reaction for four of us. Well,

486
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,200
Speaker 8: I think everyone has heard the story that Selene's song

487
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 8: she writes what she Knows, so Past Lives. Her first

488
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 8: movie is based off of this incredible moment when she

489
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 8: had two friends, one of them Korean and one of

490
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Speaker 8: them American, and she was translating between them at the bar.

491
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 8: So that exact scene in the movie is based off

492
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 8: a real life thing that happened. And she similarly worked

493
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 8: for like six months or something as a match maker

494
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 8: crazy and a lot of these conversations are things people

495
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 8: asked her and told her, And so I think what

496
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 8: I thought it was less about I know they keep

497
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 8: they always harp on the math of dating, but I

498
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 8: thought it was more about, like, these people are so

499
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 8: open and honest with these frankly horrible things that they

500
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,639
Speaker 8: want and that they're willing to verbalize to someone and

501
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 8: say they can't be they can't be big, They can't

502
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 8: be old, they can't be non white, they have.

503
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 7: To be a yeah whatever like minimum right.

504
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:49,400
Speaker 3: Yes, like I legit have known I think as well.

505
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Speaker 1: That's another thing that I think was different for me

506
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 1: is like I don't even really know like more than

507
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 1: two people who earn one hundred thousand dollars or more so,

508
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 1: like the idea that you would go out specifically look

509
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: for that is just so out of my realm of

510
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: understanding that's real.

511
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 3: I know that.

512
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 5: Every single day, and rejecting people for not hitting that.

513
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,919
Speaker 8: Bar, I mean so so that I thought was a

514
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 8: really interesting way of looking at it. And I thought

515
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,719
Speaker 8: the big progression of the movie was that Lucy not Dakoda,

516
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 8: that Lucy originally lived in that world and then she

517
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 8: came out of it through Chris Evans character John and

518
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 8: and he brought her back to what she used to be,

519
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 8: this person who had this like emotional dirty connection to

520
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 8: the arts. You know, I am obviously biased and like

521
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 8: I will always side with like the artsy person in

522
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 8: the versus I work in finance, but like I.

523
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Speaker 3: Mean, he was in privately, it's the most evil kind of.

524
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Speaker 9: Finance which media company look at all that those great

525
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 9: meals they could go to. But yeah, so I I

526
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 9: really enjoyed her progression that she goes through where she

527
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 9: is at one point very much like you know, I'm

528
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 9: going to die alone as I'm smoking a cigarette on

529
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 9: the balcony here.

530
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 8: I've been in charge of nine weddings. They're falling apart,

531
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 8: but I don't care because, like I talked them into

532
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 8: doing the wedding, and that's what she seemed. Yeah, yeah,

533
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 8: and so I think she changes by the end, and

534
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 8: it's I mean, it is the most glaring and obvious

535
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 8: film technique they use, I think, but it's highlighted by

536
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,360
Speaker 8: the two different weddings. The wedding in the beginning when

537
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 8: she meets Pedro Pascal and then this like outdoor, cute

538
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,719
Speaker 8: little wedding where she and Chris Evans hang out and

539
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 8: it is adorable and weird.

540
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 1: They crashed like a super intimate like twenty people that yeah, like, well.

541
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, has anyone crashed the wedding before?

542
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 8: Oh?

543
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 6: Yeah?

544
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 3: Like me, baby, I'm.

545
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 4: Tell there's a giant wedding happening. There's just like an

546
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 4: open bar.

547
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 1: Yes, hi, congratulations, Okay, wait a minute, Aaron, I need you. Okay,

548
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: what don't you like and let's talk about the open

549
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: and closing sequences, because I do think that's some of

550
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: the dumbest shit in the movie.

551
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 3: Like when it went back to that.

552
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: At the end, every single person in the ala my

553
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: draft house, a notoriously quiet theater, just groaned and started laughing.

554
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 3: So, yeah, what didn't work for you? Aaron?

555
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 8: It started and I was like, am I in the

556
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 8: wrong movie? Did something happen? Like what what are we watching?

557
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 8: I don't know what is out right now that this

558
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,360
Speaker 8: might be? And like is this an homage to two

559
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 8: thousand and one?

560
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 7: What is this?

561
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 8: And then it just kept going and I was like, okay, cool,

562
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 8: Like I don't know that was some weird intro interlude,

563
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 8: like she wanted to put that little If you haven't

564
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 8: seen the.

565
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 3: Movie, basically it opens.

566
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 7: With a like the first.

567
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: People who got married by giving each other flowers, so

568
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: it was a business deal.

569
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 4: And and she cooks for him, and then a saddle

570
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 4: of the flower.

571
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: I think as well, I think that it's that's one

572
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 1: of the things as well that I think is I

573
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 1: guess for me didn't work is like the myopic nature

574
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: of like wanting to create like a universal experience of

575
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 1: like all humans do this while also then just like

576
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: narrowing the idea of like what a human is or

577
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: what a relationship because I get that's the point of

578
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: the movie.

579
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 6: He's a dreamer, she's she's a true romantic.

580
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 3: She's just dreaming about people.

581
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 6: This sequence is so sweet. It is very weird, but

582
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 6: you like, because.

583
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 5: You hottest take.

584
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 6: It's time by it. It's so Lucy.

585
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 4: I love the character of Lucy because this really works

586
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 4: with Dakota's like range, which is that's just a cool girl. Yeah, cool,

587
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 4: that's exactly and then the whole movie is like, Okay,

588
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 4: so but that girl.

589
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:55,719
Speaker 3: Is a dreamer.

590
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 4: She believes in romance, but she got her heart broken.

591
00:27:58,680 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 4: Maybe she did it.

592
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 6: To herself little bit.

593
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 4: She's convinced herself that in order to that romance can't

594
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 4: possibly exist, and so the safest thing for her to

595
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 4: do is find a guy with a lot of money,

596
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 4: because she's constantly about her parents. They were fighting over money,

597
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 4: they broke up over money. She don't have no money.

598
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 4: She's like, that's that's the whole solve. She's only got eighty.

599
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 6: K, but all of that goes toward her hair.

600
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. Literally, so she's like her which in New York

601
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 3: would cost, by the way, like five thousand dollars.

602
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 6: Buzzling is what we're saying.

603
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 3: This is what I'm saying, is like, Selene, you can't

604
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 3: you go to I think the issue for me is

605
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 3: the there is not enough suspension of this. My suspension

606
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 3: of disbelief is not high enough with the world you're

607
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 3: trying to tell us about, and you're telling me that people. No, no,

608
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 3: not even just that just like she's earning ae.

609
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: K before taxes at a job where she's putting on

610
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: like million dollar weddings every month, Like I absolutely know.

611
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 3: I do not believe that for a second.

612
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, her commission should be much higher. She's got nine weddings,

613
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 4: she's the most successful, and they're reporting millionaires as clients.

614
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 4: The payout is not the scale is not making sense.

615
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 4: But yeah, I can somewhat overlook that to say, like

616
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 4: setting her up to be a dreamer and then she

617
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 4: gets her dream proposal, Like we're inches from a rom

618
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 4: com here, We're getting so close. It's a little big goofy.

619
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 4: It just was not spread out evenly enough to hit

620
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 4: rom com for me. But I do I do like

621
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 4: the Cavevan sequences.

622
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 3: I thought that I love that for you.

623
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: Let's talk quickly about chemistry. I love that for your

624
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: job because I'm glad that exists with.

625
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 3: Someone because.

626
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 5: Talking about the.

627
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 3: Moving on, we're moving on.

628
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: We gotta talk about more important things, like chemistry. Is

629
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: there any chemistry in this movie?

630
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 3: Chemistry? Can I have chemistry with.

631
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 4: These It's so good that Pedro was here, Like, yeah,

632
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 4: that guy could have chemistry with a cardboard. He's making

633
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 4: you feel like warm and when he's like this is

634
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 4: how tall?

635
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, everyone in the cinema whenever he was on

636
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: screen any he brought her the flowers and everything, and

637
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: he's like being really thoughtful about her and snuggling her

638
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: in bed. I think, I don't know, man, I just think, like,

639
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: as a woman who's like almost forty, who's lived through

640
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: dating men for like way too long, and it's bad, guys,

641
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: it's bad out there. I don't think that there should

642
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: be a negative idea of the fact that a woman

643
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: seeks security or safety or a good relationship that isn't

644
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: based on that like war feeling of love that you

645
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: have to like struggle through.

646
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 3: And I that's the message.

647
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: I think that, in my opinion, this movie did not

648
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: have the chops to talk about.

649
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 3: But yeah, Pedro, he has chemistry with everyone. Did you

650
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 3: believe really? I felt like you can have chemistry with anyone.

651
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 7: I agree.

652
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 8: He had this amazing walk on moment and him taking

653
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 8: the name tag tossing it over his shoulder. I was like, Oh,

654
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 8: we are in for some amazing like convo. And I

655
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 8: think they had no chemistry. I don't think they needed it.

656
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,479
Speaker 8: I think that's part of the story. And if they

657
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 8: had too much chemistry, you would want them together. I

658
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 8: don't think they had entire thing.

659
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 4: To be fair, Aaron, I agree with you that they

660
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 4: didn't have the steamy romantic chemistry. It wasn't that I

661
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 4: thought they had the kind of chemistry which is honestly

662
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 4: my ideal relationship was just like, oh no, we're buddies exactly.

663
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 6: We're so comfy together.

664
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 5: Listen, buddies want lover to be my thrid.

665
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: Yes, dude, it's not about friend zone, it's about being

666
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: If a man, if a man is your if you're

667
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: if your loving.

668
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, literally, like a man will kill you if they

669
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 3: don't like you like that?

670
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 4: Is he even he's like no, I will say, obviously,

671
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 4: primate equity billionaire high serial killer potential.

672
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: But I gotta ask you, guys, then, what about Chris

673
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: Evans and Dakota Johnson Because to me, I felt like

674
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: that was just too talking to.

675
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 3: See me. I did not feel any kind that was

676
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 3: a more but like, hey, bro, how's it going? Like

677
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 3: we went in high school together?

678
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: Like I did not get that at all, Like what

679
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: was I did not get what that relationship was at all. Also,

680
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: can I just say one of the cruelest things about

681
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: this movie, why did she take Pedro Pascalte's play?

682
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 3: That was like an evil thing to do. That was

683
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 3: a diabolical.

684
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 4: Comprehended because they hadn't established like, oh we're friends now,

685
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 4: you know you could There was still clearly some lingering

686
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 4: at their first interaction at the wedding. So you're like,

687
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 4: to bring your ex to a guys who's clearly still

688
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,239
Speaker 4: harboring feelings for you is very strange. I also think

689
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 4: Chris Evans had more chemistry with Dakota when she was

690
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 4: not on screen with him and the phone call, Yeah,

691
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 4: he calls and he's like, oh my god, You're like, man,

692
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 4: this guy is in he is struck.

693
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 7: Yeah.

694
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, But when they're together.

695
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 8: I've watched so much of the press tour because I

696
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 8: have just been so interested in this, like this movie,

697
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 8: I did not necessarily enjoy it as much as I

698
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 8: thought I would, But I have watched like every piece

699
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 8: of the press tour, and the three of them together

700
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 8: have so much natural.

701
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 2: On, all of them playing off of each other, like

702
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: is so good and and Dakota is so charming, and

703
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 2: Pedro and Chris are incredible off of each other, off

704
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 2: of her, and I don't know why that doesn't come through.

705
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 7: And I think part of that.

706
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 8: I again, Past Lives is absolutely beautiful. I think such

707
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 8: an incredible debut and a movie that I could not

708
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 8: get over when I first saw it. And I think

709
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 8: that the script for this one didn't give me that

710
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 8: same kind of It wasn't Chris Evan's fault, it was

711
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 8: that the script wasn't there. I think the line that

712
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 8: you read earlier, Rosie, when I see your face, I

713
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 8: see wrinkles and children that look like you. I don't

714
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 8: think that's like a hot amazing.

715
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 6: Okay, listen, listen.

716
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 4: I have a married friend. Her name is Hannah. She's

717
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 4: an amazing person. Her good friend once told her, when

718
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 4: you can see your your children in your partner's eyes.

719
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 4: That's when you know it's the one.

720
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 3: I don't want to care and.

721
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, the four of us have very different Yeah, but

722
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 8: us and definitions of love, which I think is.

723
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 3: Part of it.

724
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: I think it's a very interesting situation because I do

725
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: think that the vibes and haunting kind of like universal

726
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: connection that people had with Past Lives. I feel like

727
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 1: there are moments here where Selena is trying to create

728
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: something that is similar and says something like that, But

729
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: then I think that there are moments when it's just

730
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: a rom com and I think that for me, yes

731
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: is the disconnect where I feel like it's tough obviously

732
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 1: sophomore movie, especially after something like Past Lives that was

733
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: so lauded. I do think that trying to do both

734
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: here is where the movie kind of stylistically and emotionally

735
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: doesn't connect.

736
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 5: I absolutely agree, Like I don't necessarily agree that the

737
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 5: writing was bad, but I think the writing was at

738
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 5: war with itself because it was like, I'm going to

739
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 5: critique modern dating and modern ideas of love within the

740
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 5: sandbox of traditional romcom tropes.

741
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 3: And the traditional choice of like follow your heart and

742
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 3: go with the guys.

743
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 5: With the traditional message.

744
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 3: To say, like pick this guy, he's kind of and

745
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 3: I think.

746
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 5: That does undercut some of its own message. Like I

747
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 5: also hated that line about the I see wrinkles and kids,

748
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 5: because like, that is what you hear in a nineties

749
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 5: rom com when you go that was cheesy and cute,

750
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 5: But whatever that fits in this movie, I don't think

751
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 5: it fits in this movie because this movie is trying

752
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 5: to be subversive and so to still be like holding

753
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 5: on to rom coom trophy lines like that, I think

754
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 5: is where the script worked against it.

755
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 8: I there's also right right before that, they're sitting there

756
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 8: on the barrels watching the wedding and they're like, why

757
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 8: does anyone ever get married? And Dakotas's she goes on

758
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 8: this little monologue about like, you know, they do it

759
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 8: because they're lonely, and they then they're hopeful. But then

760
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 8: she says, but all marriages, you know, then you get

761
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 8: mad at each other and you fight, and then you

762
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 8: have kids.

763
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 3: And they hate each other to fight in.

764
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 8: Front of the kids, and then you do fight in

765
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 8: front of the kids and you resent each other for that,

766
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 8: which to me felt so cliche and like you're not

767
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 8: saying anything new. Like every rom com ever has started

768
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 8: with a woman who thinks oh, or or like the

769
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 8: main character is a man and he thinks, oh, marriage

770
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 8: never works everyone it doesn't work out. But that goes

771
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 8: to the beginning of the film. Yeah, to do that

772
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 8: in the back thirdy. I also thought right before, like.

773
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,959
Speaker 1: It was weird because you bring up something that which

774
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: is like, I don't we talk about like the business

775
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: aspects of this, and I don't. I actually don't think

776
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: I think that's a good way to approach things from

777
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 1: a logical standpoint, even though you do need to follow

778
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: your heart and be happy and be attracted to person

779
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: and love the person. But like, I don't understand what

780
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: Chris Evans. I feel like they didn't do a good

781
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: enough job. I would have loved to know what the

782
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: conversation looks like if you are Chris Evans, like and

783
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: Thecotta and Dakota Johnson's character having a conversation about what

784
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 1: they would each bring to the marriage. Like everyone else

785
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 1: is talking about what do you bring, money, height, whatever,

786
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: the way you look, your skinniness, blah blah blah, But like,

787
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 1: what is their conversation because to me, I don't really

788
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 1: understand it. It's just they loved each other once and

789
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: we're bad to each other, and now they're going to

790
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: get married and be bad to each other again. Like

791
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,919
Speaker 1: I feel like that was missing. It's like I don't

792
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: know why they liked each other, and I don't.

793
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 4: Know, they just do. They're in love, like there's no

794
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 4: logic behind it.

795
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 6: And they have the whole conversation in front of that partner.

796
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 4: He's like, I don't even know if this is a

797
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 4: logical thing for us to do, but I would stick

798
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 4: around that.

799
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 5: When you look when you're All I can bring to

800
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 5: the table is that I will love you.

801
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 7: I'll set a phone reminder and every morning it'll say

802
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 7: six a m. Don't forget you.

803
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 3: Why do you need a phone reminder?

804
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,479
Speaker 5: Which which like I think, like that is the point

805
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 5: of the movie, is like love is something you do

806
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 5: choose every single day and that you that you pursue

807
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 5: for your entire life with the person that you love.

808
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 5: Right you, I believe you should never stop flirting with

809
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 5: your partner to an annoying degree.

810
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 3: I'm sure, yeah, of course, no, that you're going to

811
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 3: do that because otherwise, like this, what of course you

812
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 3: have to do that?

813
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 5: And I think like, but that's not transactional. That's not

814
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 5: me saying like I'm choosing you, so like what are

815
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 5: you bringing here? Like can you do the dishes or

816
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 5: something like. That's that's an intangible feeling that I pursue

817
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 5: because I love a person, and I think like that

818
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 5: is the whole point of this film. And I think

819
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 5: a lot like how you perceive love, how how much

820
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 5: of a like sappy, romantic person you are, Because at

821
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 5: the end of the day, like the message is just

822
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 5: love is intangible. You can't put it in an app.

823
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 5: You can't have a matchmaker put you on paper with

824
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 5: another person, and you will feel what you will feel

825
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 5: about different people in your life, whether they are rich,

826
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 5: whether they are quote unquote poor. I don't know that

827
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 5: we classify Chris Evans as poor.

828
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 3: No, I know. And that is another thing I will

829
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 3: say that I do get pissed off about about most movies. Yeah,

830
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 3: It's like when they show an apartment like that, and look,

831
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 3: I'm saying I don't think you should move in with

832
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 3: someone who has roommates because that's just stressful.

833
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: Rights, Yeah, but that apartment just looked like my fucking

834
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: apartment in la It looks like every normal person that

835
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: I knows apartment.

836
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 3: And it's another thing Hollywood always.

837
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: Stresses me out with, is like they don't know how

838
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: to show a normal person's house without being like this

839
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: is gross, like every house needs to cost thirteen million dollars.

840
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: And again, yeah, I think there's just there's just something

841
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: here that didn't connect. But I love your read on airboo,

842
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 1: and I do think it's I think that's really sweet

843
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: and I'm a bad.

844
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, real quick, can we just talk briefly about

845
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 8: the end credits scene.

846
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 7: Did everyone see the end.

847
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 6: Credit I didn't see it. I thought it was fine.

848
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 4: It's a very seventies way to end a movie. Or

849
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 4: you just hold on a shot and you're just watching them.

850
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, boo.

851
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 8: If you didn't see it, or anyone in the audience

852
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 8: who didn't see it. The movie ends with a shot

853
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 8: of New York City Hall, and this is where you

854
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 8: go to get.

855
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 3: Your marriage and you.

856
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 8: Get married if you are getting married at City Hall.

857
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 8: I got married at City Hall, so I was in

858
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 8: that exact room I was at. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and

859
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 8: you could see my hair in the back yeah yeah.

860
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 8: I was like, hey, honey, I think that's Captain America

861
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 8: over there and seens. Yeah, Celene's song also got married

862
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 8: at City I don't know she got married at City

863
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 8: Hall or she just went to pick up her marriage license.

864
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 8: But there's something really interesting about that which I like,

865
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 8: because that is like this deep New York institution where

866
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 8: like everyone kind of has to go there to pick

867
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 8: up your marriage license. We legit did our wedding there

868
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 8: as opposed to doing like an official wedding elsewhere. So

869
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 8: I personally was against it at first because I was like,

870
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 8: I don't want to get married around a bunch of strangers,

871
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 8: Like I want to get married around people who I

872
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 8: know and care about. But when we got there and

873
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 8: did it, I totally changed my mind because I wasn't

874
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 8: going to marry her, I'm kidding. But when I got there,

875
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 8: it actually was amazing because you are surrounded by a

876
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 8: bunch of other people who are also surrounded by strangers

877
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 8: who are just there with the person that they love,

878
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 8: and maybe some family or guests are there. But so

879
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 8: it's this space that is like inherently administrative and clerical

880
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 8: and like very business y, but also just people in love.

881
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 8: So it's like a really cool place to end and

882
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 8: I really enjoyed that. That didn't change the fact that

883
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 8: I don't love this movie.

884
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 5: It's very very complimentary for a movie you allegedly I

885
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 5: don't know.

886
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 8: Right, So look, I mean, I think if we judge

887
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 8: these movies, this movie, and I'm saying, would I go

888
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 8: on a second date with this movie?

889
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 7: I will.

890
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 8: I'm gonna watch this again. I have listened to the

891
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 8: soundtrack a bunch because I really enjoy the sounds. Yeah,

892
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 8: we didn't, Daniel Peperton. It's an incredible composer.

893
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 7: I love it. I'll watch this again at some point.

894
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 7: It's just that I didn't like it.

895
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 3: I will not. I will not watch it again.

896
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: But I am so happy that I love any movie

897
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: that makes people happy and makes people think about romance

898
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: and stuff.

899
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 3: I grew up.

900
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: Not loving romantic comedies due simply to internalize misogyny, and

901
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: I have recently discovered how much joy they bring me

902
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: in the last like eight nine years of my life.

903
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 3: I love Sandra Bullock movies.

904
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,760
Speaker 1: I love Nicole Kidman, I love loving basketball like Brian

905
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: Grian this I I have had so much fun rediscovering

906
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: those and I'm sure for some people this will be

907
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: that bomb be real Guys, if I'm gonna watch it,

908
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: this go a Johnson movie again, It's gonna be Madam Webb.

909
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: I had such a better time watching that than this,

910
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 1: Like this was hard for me to watch. I think

911
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: I almost got kicked out of the Alamo draft House,

912
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: probably because I was like sighing and just like I

913
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: could not stop exclaiming it did not hit for me, just.

914
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 7: My eyes.

915
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 3: People could hear them rolling in my head.

916
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: I will not be going on another date with movies,

917
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: but I will say I hope everyone else who does

918
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: go in a date with this movie enjoys it as

919
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: much as Joel and Aboo, Joel, will you be going

920
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 1: on another date with this movie?

921
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 6: Yeah?

922
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 4: I really want to interrogate we we sort of very

923
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 4: briefly touched on it, and we don't need to do

924
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 4: a fullish Fiel here, but like, I want to revisit

925
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 4: the movie so that I can better analyze this client

926
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 4: she has. She's such a and this is like a

927
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 4: good warning for folks who maybe haven't seen the movie

928
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 4: and are gonna use this as a degree whether to

929
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 4: watch it. One of Lucy's client to set up on

930
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 4: a date, she winds up being assaulted. You don't see

931
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 4: the assault in the film at all.

932
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 3: It's the deal with that. Yes, extensive and a lot

933
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 3: of diff I k it comes up again and again,

934
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 3: whether you feel like it.

935
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 4: I was almost saying, by the way they managed it

936
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 4: and how and how they sort of navigated, you know,

937
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 4: both as a professional tragedy for Lucy and as like

938
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 4: a real world consequence for this woman. And I think

939
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 4: in a film about dating and choosing partners, to take

940
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 4: a moment to stop and address the actual dangers of

941
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:41,240
Speaker 4: dating for women again feels really important to modern dating.

942
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was, but yeah, I feel

943
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: like to me, I didn't feel like it was successful.

944
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 3: I do think it's interesting.

945
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 1: I also, my biggest like mark against this movie is

946
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: that Dakota Johnson's character Lucy set this woman up with

947
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: this guy because she didn't know what else to do

948
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: with her. That's a major plot point of the movie.

949
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: She ends up getting raped, sexually assaulted. We don't know

950
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: what happens, but it sounds like it was really bad.

951
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: And then Dacora Johnson can't even set her up with

952
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 1: Pedro Pascal, like, she just sets her up with a dentist.

953
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 3: I was like, are you matter her up at all.

954
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 4: She's not anymore right, it's not her client copy.

955
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 3: I'm saying, I'm sorry. Like to me, I'm like, come on,

956
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 3: you could at least have a little bit of a

957
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 3: happily ever after for this poor woman. Like there's gotta

958
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 3: be some outcome. No, she just gets a dentist.

959
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:39,959
Speaker 7: Also, but she has no friends in New York? What's

960
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 7: going on?

961
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: There has no female friends in this movie.

962
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 3: She does not any.

963
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 7: Point, not her client, neither of that.

964
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: She's like, no point speaks to a friend about her

965
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: issues between choosing between these two men. She had no

966
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: point calls a friend or text is a female friend. Like,

967
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: it's insane that in a movie about dating, she does

968
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: not spend time with other women. I just don't find

969
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 1: that believable.

970
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 8: Aboo, are you going on a second date with this movie?

971
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 3: No?

972
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 5: Once was fine?

973
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 8: I like.

974
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,479
Speaker 7: That much, guys, I liked but like.

975
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 5: I don't know, it's it's just not a masterpiece of

976
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 5: any you know, it's a it's a fine movie. I

977
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 5: enjoyed it. I liked it's like pretty simplistic message about

978
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 5: love and because you are old fashion how you pursue love.

979
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 5: And you know, everyone was looking hot and was super

980
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 5: well lit, and I do want to compliment the cinematography

981
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 5: of the film, the way it like hung on these

982
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 5: two uncomfortable two shots during during these conversational moments. Is

983
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 5: very difficult to make a movie that is ninety nine

984
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 5: percent to people talking across a dinner table, interesting, intense,

985
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 5: and this movie manages to do that. So I think

986
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 5: there was a lot of art and craft behind this film.

987
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 5: And despite its like clunkiness and some of the scripts

988
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 5: being at war with itself and Dakota Johnson frankly absolutely

989
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 5: taking me out of it every.

990
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 3: Time is not a Dclota Johnson fan.

991
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 5: I've never seen Dakota Johnson in anything, so I had

992
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 5: no context going in. I was like, oh my gosh, Like,

993
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 5: have you.

994
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 7: Not seen Social Network? She's in Social Network Bad Times

995
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 7: at El Royale.

996
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 3: Remembering He's remembering.

997
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 7: No, I don't know.

998
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 5: I don't know that I've ever seen her. Regardless, I

999
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 5: liked the movie. I don't feel like I need to

1000
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 5: see it again.

1001
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 7: It was it was.

1002
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 3: Fun, shocking that me and a Boo are on the

1003
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 3: same page. Chair you will not be reasons.

1004
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna watch Past Lives again.

1005
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, just watch Past lives on Madam Web.

1006
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 7: Guys, come on just watch past Life.

1007
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 3: Thank you guys so much for joining me. I am

1008
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 3: very excited that we got to talk about this.

1009
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: I appreciate so much about X ray and the you

1010
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 1: guys input the most. That we can just like disagree

1011
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: with stuff and actually dig into it and have a

1012
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: conversation about why a movie works and why it doesn't work.

1013
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: And I think this was a wonderful example of that.

1014
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: So thank you so much for joining me on this episode.

1015
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 7: Guys, it was a blessed jua.

1016
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 3: Of course, You're so welcome. I'm stoked that we got

1017
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 3: to do it. Sorry to anyone involved in the making

1018
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 3: of this movie. I appreciate all the work that went

1019
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 3: into it. I'm sorry I didn't like it.

1020
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Speaker 1: On the next episode of Extra Vision, it is our

1021
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Speaker 1: roundtable discussion of twenty eight years later.

1022
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Speaker 3: That is going to be very very fun and very

1023
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 3: deep divy because there is a lot to talk about

1024
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Speaker 3: on that one. That is our episode. Thank you for listening.

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Speaker 1: X Ray Vision is hosted by Jason steps Young and

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Speaker 1: Rosie Night and as a production of iHeart Podcast. Our

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Speaker 1: executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 7: Our supervising producer is Abuzafar.

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Speaker 1: Our producers are Carmen Laurent, Dean Johnson and Fay Wack.

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Speaker 8: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 8: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 1: Asual thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and

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