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Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,

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Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,

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Speaker 1: a little thing we'd like to call the after party. This,

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Speaker 1: as you know, is the show after the show, the

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Speaker 1: party after the party, the bridge to get you from

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Speaker 1: one full episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard

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Speaker 1: to dig into the dirt. On this episode, we're talking

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Speaker 1: about the past episode of disgrace Land on The Mama's

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Speaker 1: and the papas Mama Cass Elliott Part two, and specifically

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Speaker 1: about our relationship to the previous disgrace Land episode subject

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Speaker 1: Charles Manson. We are also discussing favorite holiday songs, favorite

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Speaker 1: holiday movies, a ton of your voicemails and messages, and

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Speaker 1: a whole rosie to round us out. All right, before

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Speaker 1: we get to listener calls, text and emails, let's get

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Speaker 2: All right, guys, Before.

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Speaker 1: I get into the meat and potatoes part of this

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Speaker 1: bonus episode. It being the holiday season, I have a

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Speaker 1: couple quick and simple questions for you to respond to.

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Speaker 1: Number one, what's your favorite holiday slash Christmas song of

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Speaker 1: all time? My current one? You ask Ella FitzGeralds, what

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Speaker 1: are you doing for Christmas Eve?

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Speaker 1: What is your favorite holiday slash Christmas movie of all time?

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Speaker 1: If you're telling me Good Fellas isn't a Christmas movie,

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Speaker 1: to say trading places. But I kind of also want

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Speaker 1: to say bad Santa. Hit me at Disgrace slam pod

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, Instagram, TikTok and Facebook with your answers and

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Speaker 2: All right back to the after party.

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Speaker 1: This past episode of Disgraceland was a conclusion to the

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Speaker 1: previous week's episode on Mama cass Elliott. Both parts of

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Speaker 1: the cast episodes were preceded by the episode on Charles

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Speaker 1: Manson's musical career. All three episodes composed of the larger

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Speaker 1: district Attorney Vincent Buliosi pinned on Charles Manson for the

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Speaker 1: by big shot record producer Terry Melcher, who's house Sharon

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Speaker 1: However, as I mentioned in my episodes, this theory is

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Speaker 1: and all of which can be found, as I've mentioned

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Speaker 1: numerous times in Tom O'Neill's book Chaos. These past three

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Speaker 1: episodes are going to put an end to my exploration

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Speaker 1: Pod on Instagram, Twitter, TikTok or Facebook, or Disgracelandpod at

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Speaker 1: similar experiences with my dad and music. I was in

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Speaker 1: we go. Ryan from the nine oh nine jumped on

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Speaker 1: the voicemail regarding our ongoing conversation about covers that are

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Speaker 3: a huge fan of District Plan since season one.

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Speaker 1: I can't really argue with Ryan Stevie's cover we can

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Speaker 1: I'd never even heard the Smiths or the Smith's version

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Speaker 1: at this Gracelaind pod go check that out. Gregory from

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Speaker 3: part two. But I would love to see some shit

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Speaker 3: from Frank Zappa's perspective. Okay. Number two, this one's going

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Speaker 3: to freak you out, Nicolo Paganini. That's all I got

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