1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Live from our nation's camera. This budget thing is going 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: to do nothing. Space Force. I still think it's interesting 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: President Trump not playing his cards yet. Headlines Policy and 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: politics colliding Floomberg Sound On, the Insiders, the influencers, the insides. 5 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,319 Speaker 1: I would rather see a congressional solution. It's part of 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: my DNA. The Senate map in looks a lot different 7 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 1: than it looked in. You really have a divide within 8 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 1: Team Trump. The president has to do exactly what people 9 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: sent him here to do, which is to get it done. 10 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin Shirley on Bloomberg 11 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: one and one oh five point seven f m h 12 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: D two. Senator Bernie Sanders says he won the Iowa caucus. 13 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,319 Speaker 1: This is former south Men Mayor pe Buda Judge has 14 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 1: a razor thin majority over the results. What does it 15 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: mean ahead of Tomorrow's Democratic presidential debate. All of that 16 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: broadcasting live from where I'm at, Manchester, New Hampshire. That's right, Manchester, 17 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: New Hampshire, where we are just a couple of days 18 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: away from the New Hampshire primary, and there's a lot 19 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:05,119 Speaker 1: to unravel, so much to unpack. That's why I'm glad 20 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: Max Burns is here with Chapin Faye. Max is a 21 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: Democrat strategist, contributor of The Daily Beasts and The Independent, 22 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: and Japan Fay first time on the program, Republican political 23 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: consultant and former press secretary to the New York Governor 24 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: George Pataki. He the Governor. Uh okay, guys, thanks so 25 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: much for being here. Max. I'll start with you. I 26 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: was in Manchester, downtown Manchester a couple of hours ago, 27 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: snowy day, covering Senator Bernie Sanders who had a press conference. 28 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: He's declaring victory. He's saying he won. This is d 29 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: n C Chairman Tom Perez says, they're gonna have like 30 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 1: a Reree canvas. I don't even I'm leaving Iowa behind 31 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: me because it's does Iowa even matter? And did Bernie 32 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: Sanders win? It certainly looks like Bernie is at the 33 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: very least time with Pete Buddha Jedge in the popular vote. 34 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: He's certainly won. And they're gonna make a lot of 35 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: that U. And this is in a lot of ways, 36 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: this Iowa caucus debacle is trying to watch the irishman 37 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: on a dial up internet connection. We might have New 38 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: Hampshire results conceivably before we're done with Iowa, no one 39 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: will care. And yeah, it is just it has muted 40 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: the impact of the first in the Nation caucus. Uh. 41 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: The entire momentum of this four pet BOOTA judge especially, 42 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: was being able to come out the night of and 43 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: say he won. And in a week that has been 44 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: this packed with State of the Union, with impeachment. Uh, 45 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: no one's going to think about Iowa next week. We're 46 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,519 Speaker 1: gonna be onto the next thing. Uh. Shape and fair 47 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: Republican political consultant, you look at this and maybe the 48 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: bigger story is Bidens out of the lead. Yeah. I 49 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: think that's a big story and a big takeaway from 50 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: the first uh you know, voting results. He seemed to 51 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: be the slow and steady candidate that was gonna, you know, 52 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 1: take this home and be the adult in the room. 53 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 1: But for some reason, you know, that's not really catching on. 54 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: I think that, you know, Democrats from a Republican perspective, 55 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 1: Democrats are us the country are fired up, and I 56 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: just don't think Biden is exciting them the way that 57 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: some of the other candidates, uh, you know are doing. Um. 58 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 1: And you know, just to underline a point Max made. 59 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: I totally agree, um that you know, we're onto the 60 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: next thing. But I think that's a I think that's 61 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: a symptom of the of the Trump era, right. I mean, 62 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: we just had impeachment, were already onto the next thing. 63 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: You know, there's just the next thing is always right 64 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: around the corner. And I think that's just the nature 65 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: of the times. And we'll talk about all of the 66 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: policy and what happened at the White House today, just 67 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: see that President Trump given a well commentary on everything. 68 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: But Max, let's sticking with what's up here in New 69 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: Hampshire to set the stage in terms of what the 70 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: stakes are for Bernie's and I even but for brutal 71 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: judge and Warren. Warren in particular, she's got to be 72 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: able to to kind of break through. I mean she's 73 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: been drowned out by all the other news stories and 74 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: by all the other candidates. Yeah, and Iowa was a disappointment. 75 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: I think it's safe to say for Elizabeth Warren she 76 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: really needs to get her momentum back in New Hampshire. 77 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: She was last in the lead in New Hampshire back 78 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: in October, and Bernie Sanders has really been in control 79 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: of the field up there since then. Uh. It's also 80 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: an interesting landscape for Pete Buddha Jedge, who is running 81 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: right about third place now, but depending on how Joe 82 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: Biden does, and even Amy Klobuchar, who's picked up six 83 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,119 Speaker 1: or seven points in the last month. Uh, he could 84 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: switch significantly and that will have a huge impact going 85 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: into Nevada and South Carolina. Uh shaping do you agree? 86 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: I do agree, um, although I do think you know, 87 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: in New Hampshire, you know, there was a mom with 88 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 1: Paul that came out today Everyone's within a couple of points. 89 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: Sanders as ahead, followed by Mayor Pete. UM. But I 90 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: agree that, you know, Warren really needs to step up, 91 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 1: especially after the first votes have been cast. You know, 92 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of pressure on her for 93 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 1: the debate tomorrow. I think back when the race was 94 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: anyone's game, and there were many more candidates in the 95 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: race months ago, and she was sort of the policy wonk, 96 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: putting out reports and plans for everything, impressive reports and 97 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: plans from a democratic act of anyway. UM. And I 98 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: think that was her Um, you know, that was that 99 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: was what made her stand out. And I think now 100 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 1: that people are voting and actually listening and paying attention. 101 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: That is no longer something that is exciting and interesting, 102 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: and I think that are looking for something exciting and interesting. 103 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: Momouth University poll. So glad you brought it up. Max. 104 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,119 Speaker 1: Did you see this poll? Did you see the poll? Yes? 105 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: Did you see that? The other number forty nine percent? 106 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: I couldn't believe this. Forty nine percent of these New 107 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: Hampshire voters are undecided. Wow, and that's true, I think 108 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: in more places than than we think. We've seen. In Iowa, 109 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: what's surprised a lot of pundits and analysts was that 110 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: there were a lot of Bernie Sanders first vote Joe 111 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: Biden's second vote people. And the truth is, voters are 112 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: by and large not ideological. They vote on policies, They 113 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: vote on kitchen table issues and with when you have 114 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: things like Iowa that that do not provide a sense 115 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 1: of momentmentum, voters feel they have some extra time to 116 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: listen to go to events. Uh. Bernie Sanders and Pete 117 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: Buddha Judge have both had packed events in New Hampshire today, 118 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: and voters are still taking their time to see who 119 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 1: they like. It feels like Buddha, Jedge and Sanders of 120 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: all the momentum though, and that's would you agree with that? Max? Yeah, 121 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: at the moment, they have taken it from everyone else 122 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: in the field. So if you're Elizabeth Warren or you're 123 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: I mean, it's terrible news for Joe Biden. Uh. And 124 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: but let me just describe the moment. I mean, so 125 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 1: here I am at the in this Field office in Manchester. 126 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: It's like a it wasn't like a strip mall snowy 127 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: day in New Hampshire. And I would say, you know, 128 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: he says he's gonna give this press conference packed. Maybe uh, 129 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, a hundred people, a little less than that, 130 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: even fifty, Like I think the size of like an 131 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: office conference for him. You know, Bernie signs everywhere. They've 132 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 1: got Manchester for Bernie. And then they have like the 133 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: Twitter logo spray painted on, but they put Bernie's white 134 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 1: hair on it. Does that make sense? I maybe not 135 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 1: being too descriptive, but you've really got there. And then 136 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: there was like another poster that said Field to burn 137 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: on a clipboard anyway. So one of the questions at 138 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: the presser to Senator Sanders was, uh, what do you 139 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: make of Joe Biden criticizing you and saying that you 140 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: are using the label of democratic socialists and that would 141 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: be a colossal failure, failure in the general election. And 142 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: you know what his response was that he believes his 143 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: economic message will be a clear contrast to President Trump, 144 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: who he dubbed a quote unquote pathological liar. His answer, 145 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: we've heard before. What I found remarkable, what I found notable, 146 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: and what I underlined and my reporter's notebook was this, 147 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: he went after Trump, he didn't go after Joe Biden. 148 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: That's such bad news for Joe Biden. It proves that 149 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders sees himself as the front runner who the 150 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: and the keeping his eye on the prize against Trump 151 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: and not against Biden. Does it shape and faith? No, 152 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: it totally does. Um. I agree it. Also, you know 153 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: it's probably a planned thing, right. I mean, there's no 154 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: need to even give any airtime or mentioned the name 155 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: of an opponent who's falling, right, you know how I 156 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: prop them up. Um, So it totally makes sense and 157 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: I totally agree with you. Um. The other thing is, 158 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: I think what the Democrats are gonna start seeing and 159 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: realizing is um I think Democratic voters are hungry for 160 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: the person, the candidate, whoever that may be, who can 161 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: take it to Trump. Um, and I think that you're 162 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: gonna start seeing the candidates rather than you know, smack 163 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: each other around in the debate. You know, I if 164 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: I were advising them, I'd say, you know, you really 165 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: got to save your best lines for Trump. You've got 166 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 1: to be the person. You gotta be the candidate that 167 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: that proves that you can take it to Trump, right, 168 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: because Trump clearly is a brawler. Whether you like him 169 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: or not, he's a brawler and you have to you 170 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: have to find a way to do it where you 171 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: don't get dragged into the mud with him because he 172 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: wins there. All right, Max and shape and stick around. 173 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 1: We've got a lot more to talk about. We're not 174 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: dragging anybody through the mud. We're getting the snowball fights 175 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 1: up in New hampsh snow. It's gotta be careful out 176 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: on those roads. What's the I wonder what the weather 177 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: is in d C. I don't know. I haven't checked. 178 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: Coming up more policy and politics. I'm Kevin Cirelli. You're 179 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: listening to Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg's sound on with Kevin 180 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: Surrele on Bloomberge and one oh five point seven f 181 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: M h D two, Baltimore. I'm Kevin Cirelli, Chief Washington 182 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 1: correspondent for Bloomberg TV and Radio. I'm here in New Hampshire, Manchester, 183 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: New Hampshire. I was at the Red Arrow Diner earlier today, 184 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: the legendary Red Arrow Diner were all the candidates. But 185 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: I remember when I was a kid and I would 186 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: watch the news and I would see all the candidates 187 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 1: eating at the diner. Well, anyway, that's where I went today, 188 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: and I guess what I had. I had um French 189 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: toast that was stuffed with cinnamon buns, sticky buns and 190 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: then you put like syrup on it, and uh delicious. 191 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: Max Burns is here, Democratic strategist Shape and Fay Republican 192 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: political consult Neither of you, gentlemen, feel free to chime 193 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: in for either of you ever been to the Red 194 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: Arrow Diner. I have not, but I'm making plans now. 195 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: That sounded delicious. All right, Well, you know I can't 196 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: say that, I can't say that you've ever been there? 197 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: All right? All right, So did you see Trump today? 198 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: Donald Trump reading from the Bloomberg terminal. Donald Trump celebrated 199 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 1: his impeachment acquittal by lashing out at his political opponents 200 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: for putting him on trial. Quote, it was evil, it 201 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: was corrupt, it was dirty cops, It was leakers and liars, 202 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: according to President Trump, and he took swipes at everybody. 203 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: No one was left spared. It was Pelo Sie Mitt Romney. 204 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: I mean, I can't even play for you. You know, 205 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: there's so many we were going through. There's so much 206 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: stuff that he said. But shape and what how how 207 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: would you critique from a strategical standpoint the president's performance 208 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: today at the White House? Well, first, I would say, 209 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 1: it almost doesn't matter what the critique is, right, because 210 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: he was It doesn't matter, I like to believe, but 211 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: it all matters some world. I didn't mean to diminish, 212 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: diminish that the question. I just mean that he was 213 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: going to do this, whether he was, you know, convicted 214 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: not convicted. You know, this is this is the formula. 215 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: And um, it's true of both sides. Right, there's some 216 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: sort of on where there's some sort of try and 217 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 1: takedown of Trump. It doesn't quite work out, and both 218 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: sides claimed victory. Right, The Mueller report was the same way. 219 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,599 Speaker 1: Now you see, you know, the house managers had that 220 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: up ed today saying that you know, there was no exoneration. 221 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: You know whatever he says, there's no exoneration. So you'll 222 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: you see, that's the next phase of this, you know, 223 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: Trump reality show play. He's gonna claim exoneration. They're gonna 224 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: claim no examineration, and then you know, the three of 225 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:25,959 Speaker 1: us are going to try and guess what the next 226 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: drama is going to be next week. You know, Max, 227 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if there is a way to analyze this. 228 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: I mean, even by the standards of that that should 229 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: be like the title of your memoir, there's no way 230 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: to analyze this A Life and Times in two thousand 231 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: and twenty, go ahead, even but yeah, there's an app 232 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: for that. Oh wait, if not if you're an Iowa. Sorry, Max, 233 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: I interrupted, low blow. That's a low blow. It's not good. 234 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: Should have got the app. They figured out it's a fact. 235 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: I mean, everybody agrees, what were I don't want to 236 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: get all over the place. Tom Keane tells me to 237 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: stay focused. Per segment back to Trump at the White House. 238 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: Go yeah, I just look at this in comparison to 239 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: how President Clinton spoke after his acquittal, which I watched 240 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: right after Trump, where he was very contrite, he acknowledged 241 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: the pain he caused the country. By comparison, Trump had 242 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: the air of a celebration. He called it a celebration. 243 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: He came out to hail to the chief, called his 244 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: opponents in the FBI scum, targeted hunter, Biden attacked Hillary Clinton, 245 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: relitigated a little bit. Um. It's it's tough to see 246 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: a way where there could have been less decorum in 247 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 1: a moment that called for some introspection and maybe a 248 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: little bit of humility. I would just say, um, you know, 249 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: this is Trump's wheelhouse. This is why he's been successful. Um. 250 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: I think a lot of Republicans supported him because he 251 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: had a backbone right. He he challenged the premise of 252 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: every question that was asked of him. Where you see 253 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: some of the other Republicans bending over backwards, trying to 254 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: get the interviewer or media to uh like them and 255 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: you know, try and say something that's going to please them, 256 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: where Trump was totally the opposite. And I think this 257 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 1: is his wheelhouse. I'm not trying to argue that there 258 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: was decorum. Uh you know, Um, where there should have 259 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: been um decorum. But you know Clinton was a different character. 260 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: You know, Clinton was trying to get things passed and 261 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: do things. I mean I think, Um, you know, even 262 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: if Trump was looking for a strategy, I mean, he 263 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: knows that he's not going to get anything passed. You know, 264 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: he's not gonna be able to work with Nancy Pelosi 265 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: on on any bipartisan bills, particularly now. So this is 266 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: you know, I think I think it was the right 267 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 1: strategy for him. Max, Was there anything when you look 268 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: at when you talk to your sources, when you talk 269 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: especially to your sources in the tech world and on policy, 270 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: can anything get done? For we have the State of 271 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,559 Speaker 1: the Union, you have the press conference today. In terms 272 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: of policy, what prescription drug pricing? What can get done? 273 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: If you're in your car on your way home from 274 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: Washington and you're trying to figure out, is this just 275 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: gonna be the cable news fodder between now and November 276 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: and no serious conversations are ever gonna get add Yeah, 277 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: And I think that that's exactly what President Trump is 278 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: looking for. I think that doing I don't think it's 279 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: just Trump. I think it's a sign of the times. Well, 280 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: it's a presidential election year too. I mean, there's not 281 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: gonna be real policy done. It's it's about who can 282 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: win and talking talking big and rolling out your enemies 283 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: list on TV is a lot easier than having to 284 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: navigate trade deals or health care. And what we saw 285 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: from the State of the Union, to your point, is 286 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: that we did not see a lot of strong policy 287 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: proposals from the president. It was very much a campaign 288 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: rally made for TV. And it tells me that that's 289 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: where Trump thinks he's the strongest, is just making a 290 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: performance for the public instead of actually getting bogged down 291 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: in governing shape in. But when you get bogged down 292 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: in government governing, that's actually when the stuff gets done. 293 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: And I'm curious in your conversations with Republicans, do you 294 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: hear that that any anything in the weeds? Is it 295 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: just prescript lowering the cost of prescription drugs as any there. 296 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: I mean, we're gonna talk coming up about you know, 297 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: trade policy, coronavirus, and you know, the ins and outs 298 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: of geopolitics, but in terms of domestic politics, anything on 299 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: the domestic front, and just the we've got like a 300 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: minute left, yeah, I mean from the Republican side. You know, 301 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: of course we're in the position of you know, desperate 302 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: for the Democrats to work with the president and the 303 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: Republicans too, you know, you know, pass something that is 304 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: going to be helpful for the American people. But you know, 305 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: and it's of course the Democrats is fault. UM. I 306 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: do think there are areas where, um, they that that 307 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: progress can be made and hasn't made criminal justice reform, 308 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: you know, something that the conservative obviously groups in in 309 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: DC have taken nationally right and working with Democrats, UM, 310 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: locking people up forever, uh, you know, particularly for drug 311 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: offenses is just I think you know, even the most 312 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: conservative of conservatives understand that's not working. Um. And it's 313 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: and it's a place where we work together. But I 314 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: would come back to this is where even if there 315 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: was an incentive for the Democratic House to work with 316 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: the Senate and the President, there is no incentive this year. 317 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: It's the president. They you know, he was just acquitted 318 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: and now really all that they have left, um is 319 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: to take him out of the ballot box. And you know, 320 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: there is no incentive for the Democrats to do anything, 321 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: you know, just like there wasn't really for Republicans during 322 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: the Obama years, right, they were trying to beat him 323 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: in an election here and and and you can't. Really, 324 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: the wheels of government do not run smoothly, uh, when 325 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: the president's up for re election. You know, I just 326 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: want to say this again. I mean just being up 327 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: here in New Hampshire and I'm struck by how many 328 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: undecided voters there are forty of the electorate electorate according 329 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: to that Momouth University Poul But being in that Bernie 330 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: Sanders press conference today and and watching him over the 331 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: last couple of months, I am so struck by how 332 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: many similarities there are between his campaign and Trump campaign strategy. Again, 333 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: don't swerve off the road if you're driving safe, focus, 334 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: stay in the middle, Stay in the middle, keep grounded. 335 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: But it is interesting to see how that populist streak 336 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: in their rhetoric is working its way through. I'm Kevin's 337 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: really more Next listening to Bloomberg ninety one. This is 338 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin Surrele on Bloomberg one and 339 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: one oh five point seven of m h D two, Baltimore. 340 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Cirelli, Chief Washington correspondent with Bloomberg Television and 341 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. We have a very special guest on the 342 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 1: line now, and I'm so grateful that she's calling in. 343 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 1: Brianna Joy Gray, the press secretary for Bernie Sanders presidential campaign. Brianna, 344 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: thank you. It's great to be here. Kevin. Oh, it's pleasure. 345 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: It's been a minute since we've chatted. Listen, I'm up 346 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 1: here in Manchester, New Hampshire, was talking to campaign. I 347 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: want that Bernie interview. I gotta interview him. It's all 348 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: my ragar. You at listen to other people. Look, I 349 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: promise we're doing the best. You can't getch I know, 350 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 1: gotta just started out that way, Okay. Brianna Joy Great 351 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 1: depress national press secretary for Bernie Setters. I went to 352 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: his press conference today and I was struck by this. 353 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: He's he's talking like a front runner. He's saying that 354 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: this is I mean, he's going after Trump. Watch change 355 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: since Iowa, Well, that's been change for us, because you've 356 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: known we've been over a really really long time. Look, 357 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: we've been first and second and four second in this 358 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: thing since this is the very beginning. But what I 359 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: think has changed is that the national media has finally 360 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: woken up to this fact. I mean, look, you can't 361 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 1: almy the reality when you have results like we've gotten 362 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: out of Iowa and we won by six thousand votes, 363 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: six thousand votes, and they feel that was divided among 364 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 1: eight candidates, including sharing the field was for the first 365 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: time another candidate who is you know, a progressive. That's huge, 366 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: especially when you consider the enormous numbers of people that 367 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: we've turned out, that our first time voters, the youth 368 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: vote up to over two thousand and eight Obama levels 369 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: and the fact that we you know, the counterstill out 370 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: We all know there's a three percent, three five percent outstanding. 371 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: But the rejector that we're looking at is that what 372 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: could put us over the edge is the votes of 373 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: all of these people from marginalized communities. We're talking about 374 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,040 Speaker 1: the bilingual caucuses. We're talking about the student cost of 375 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: this which aren't some tony people in some fancy private schools. 376 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: These are love un College is right, like, these are 377 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: the working class back phone of this country. That people 378 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,719 Speaker 1: talk about Iowa as a predominantly white state, and it is. 379 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: But you can't ignore the fact that Bernie Sanders did 380 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: better than any other candidate with the people of color 381 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: in that state, and it is indicative the fact that 382 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: across the country, no one is doing better with voters 383 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: of color than Bernie Sanders. Briana Joy Grays on the phone, 384 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: she's the national press secretary of Bernie Sanders, came in. 385 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: You know what the and I say this because when 386 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: I was at the press conference, I thought, and I said, 387 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: you and I have talked about this over coffee. I mean, 388 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: what Senator Sanders did at this press conference was essentially 389 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: say the caucus is too confusing. I want to got 390 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: the most votes and and take home view, top line 391 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 1: view for how people digest and consume election results outside 392 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 1: of our politically obsessed, punditry driven world of Twitter, verse, 393 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: cable news is whoever gets the most votes win and 394 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: and it's simple. And so I was also struck not 395 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: only by that, but well, first of all, let me 396 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: get your response to that, just about how whoever gets 397 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 1: the most votes wins and and it seems like, you know, 398 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: they're moving ahead and we can talk about s d 399 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: S or whatever they're saying in Iowa. But who cares? Yeah, 400 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: I mean, look, the media, for whatever reason, decided to 401 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: focus on s d S coming out of Monday, when 402 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: every other category right was even when we didn't have 403 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 1: all the numbers, and every other category from the beginning 404 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 1: was clearly being won by Bernie standards. The popular vote 405 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 1: um the national delegate account, which is going to be 406 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 1: evenly split between Buddha, Judge and Burnie no matter what 407 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: happens here in the SDE for some reason, I'm not 408 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: going to speculate why see is the chemical focus of 409 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 1: the national media. But regular right like everyday regular people 410 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,919 Speaker 1: who understand what any reasonable measure of popularity is, what 411 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: actually tracks what's going to happen nationally, where the enthusiasm 412 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: is is just a popular vote. This is something that 413 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: Democrats have been championing, if you recall, never since, as 414 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: they rightfully point out that Hailary Clinton won more votes 415 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: in the popular vote than Donald Trump. And now all 416 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: of a sudden, there are folks who don't want to 417 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: use that metric anymore when it comes down to Bernie standards. 418 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,479 Speaker 1: So back to the matter is that he's enormously popular. 419 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,239 Speaker 1: We're seeing that in the result. I don't even want 420 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: to Okay, so we got Iowa out of the way, 421 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: because now I want to talk policy, because to be 422 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: candid with you, I think most folks have moved on 423 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,479 Speaker 1: and from Iowa, you know what I mean. I mean, 424 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: I think people are like, all right, we get a 425 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 1: Buddha judge and Bernie did really well in Iowa. Moving 426 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: on and so, but I was struck by the contrast 427 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 1: that Senator Standers gave today at the press conference as 428 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 1: it relates to Joe Biden. And he didn't he didn't 429 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: dodge the question when he asked about Biden's talking about 430 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: how you know, he said, I'm paraphrasing the whoop sound. 431 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: I literally almost dropped the mic there, I'm paraphrasing. But 432 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: Joe Biden has this quote circulating from a cup from 433 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: the last day where he says, at the part denominate, 434 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: it's a Democratic Socialists all but hand reelection to Trump. 435 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 1: And so Senator Sanders in response to that, essentially said no, no, no, no, no, 436 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 1: and he said he talked about his economic vision. He 437 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 1: called Trump a pathological liar. He didn't take on Biden, 438 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: which I find remarkable from your from your campaign strategy, 439 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: because it really illustrates the significant drop off that we've 440 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: seen for Biden in the past seventy two hours. Yeah. Look, 441 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: you know, as Bernie often says, he and Joe Biden 442 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: are friends. And something that I really have come to 443 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: admire a great deal about Bernie, and I think it's 444 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 1: the root of why he's considered to be among, if 445 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: not the most trusted in in America and one of 446 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: the most trusted politicians in America, is because he keeps 447 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: to the fact he doesn't feel like he needs to, 448 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: you know, you know, grind in a point or get 449 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: into a place where we're approaching at ham them. The 450 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: reality is that everybody can see that, you know, Joe 451 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: Biden didn't have a successful run as he probably had hoped. 452 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: And what does mean for the general election prospects and 453 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: electability is really really important And it's this Joe Biden's 454 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: electability case this entire time has hinged on him being 455 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: the person that could put together a multiracial coalition. Right, 456 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: only Joe Biden and Bernie Sanners are even in the 457 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: double digit with black voters. No other candidate in this 458 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: field even can break double digits with black voters. On 459 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: top of that, Bernie standards is number one with Latino 460 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: voters and has been for a long time. I want 461 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: to repeat this against no one is doing better with 462 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: non white voters than Bernie Sanders. And can I just 463 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 1: say the Latino Coalition thing, which I talked about on 464 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 1: this very program a couple of days ago, is huge 465 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: because no one with I mean everyone has talked about 466 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,360 Speaker 1: the importance of the African American vote and a rural voters, 467 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: in college educated voters, but we haven't really in the 468 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: mainstream media. I've been talking about the Hispanic vote. Brian, 469 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, and it's gonna be so enormously 470 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: important in Nevada, in Texas. And when you see polls 471 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 1: that show that Bernie does best against but Bernie is 472 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: beating Trump in Texas, in Florida, that's a large part 473 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: because Bernie strengthen and let you know, voters remember Donald 474 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: Trump got is healthy percent into votes in two thousand 475 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 1: and sixteen. And Democrats are are you know, going down 476 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: the wrong path if they think that they can just 477 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 1: rely on kind of demographic trends to carry them across 478 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: the finish line. Voters need to be spoken to. They 479 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: have legitimate issues, and a lot of people felt in 480 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: that Trump was speaking to those issues. One issue voters 481 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: I got two questions left for you, and so the 482 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: first one I really want to get to the last 483 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 1: one about electability with independence and moderates and whatnot. But 484 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: so just answer me this though about Biden. I'm sorry 485 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: about Buddah Jedge. We talked about about Budda Judge tomorrow night. 486 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: Just quickly, what's the contrast between Buddha Judge and Bernie. 487 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 1: What's the contrast on policy? I mean, how much how 488 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: much time do I have? Not a lot? Sturing reality 489 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: is that because I'm trying to respect your time, because 490 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: I know you have to go, So I'll go ahead 491 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: to Kevin. Thank you. The problem is here that Buddha 492 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: had started out his presidency and I started out of 493 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 1: this candidacy doing a pretty good cause play of Bernie Sanders. 494 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 1: And that's why I think he emerged as his popular 495 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: candidate that people thought were going was going to be 496 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 1: a progressive van guard. But he immediately denu selected and 497 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: started backtracking. He's went from Medicare for all, praising it 498 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: and in any other anything else as a quote compromise 499 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 1: position to being the champion of medicare who all for all, 500 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: who wanted the biggest defender of maintaining the private health 501 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: insurance industry for what reason. I don't know why you 502 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: would go out of your way and maintain the for 503 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: profit industry. That's for him to try to explain some 504 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: tentives right there. You just die every year because of 505 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: the lack of access to healthcare. If you're listening, if 506 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,719 Speaker 1: you're listening to Brianna joy Grace, she just gave everyone 507 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: a preview of what's coming. It's it's Medicare for all. 508 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: We're gonna have that debate on the debates. It's final 509 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: question for you. And now we've got the two minutes 510 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: left on this issue. The criticism that Bernie Sanders can't 511 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 1: win independence or can't win moderates, tell me how, tell me, 512 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: tell me what disproved that for me? Well, number one, 513 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: every single poll shows that Bernie Sanders is the best 514 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 1: candidate in the field for independence. People like to say 515 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: Bertie's a Democrat all the time. That's right, he is 516 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: a registered independent. Of of of course, he's restered Democratic coursus 517 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: of this race and is running on the Democratic ticket 518 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: in CAUCUSUS with Democrats. But the reality is, because Bernie 519 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: standards has been such a trusted source in calling out 520 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: some of the inconsistencies and problems in the Democratic Party, 521 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: the fact that he has stood with the people even 522 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: when the party has moved away from the goals and 523 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 1: the the policies and the prescriptions that used to motivate 524 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: the policy, that used to define the policy. People trust 525 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: Bernie Standards as someone who's going to stay and do 526 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: the right thing, regardless of its politically expedient. And that 527 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: is why he is trusted, you know, the most favorable 528 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 1: senator in his own state and also more broadly, has 529 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: the highest favorabilities of anybody in this race, including among 530 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: independent voters. If you want to see who doesn't do 531 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: well in independence, it's people who are perceived as part 532 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,040 Speaker 1: of the establishment elite. And that's what happened in and 533 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,439 Speaker 1: we saw low turn out from people who didn't believe 534 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: that the Democratic vanguard, the person who was carrying the 535 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: ticket really interest at heart. All right. Brianna Joy Gray, 536 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: the National Press secretary to Bernie Sanders presidential campaign. I listen, 537 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: I'll talk to you to your team is anytime you 538 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: want to come on and I appreciate the time. Please 539 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: tell Senator Standards will go to the Red Arrow Diner, 540 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: will do a great interview Well, Eric cross platform and 541 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: they'll be about policy. But seriously, Brown and Joy, great, 542 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 1: thank you for catching up with me. I appreciate it. Alright. 543 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: Coming up Wendy Benjaminson, our national polity or political editor, 544 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: Wendy Benjaminsin and Bloomberg News. She's gonna tell us what's 545 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: on her radar and break down the status of the race. 546 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 1: Live from New Hampshire. I'm Kevin Cirelli. You're listening to 547 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 1: Bloomberg ninety nine one. This is Bloomberg's Sound On with 548 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: Kevin Surrele on Bloomberg one and one oh five point 549 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 1: seven f M h D two, Baltimore. I'm Kevin Sireli, 550 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: Chief Washington correspondent from Bloomberg TV and Radio. Max Burns, 551 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: Democratic strategist, Shape and Fay Republican political consultant. They're back 552 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: in New York quickly, Max, what do you think of 553 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 1: bou Brianna Joy Gray talking to me about Bernie? Did 554 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 1: you feel the burn? I think Brianna is fantastic at 555 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: what she does. She told the story very clearly, and 556 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:11,919 Speaker 1: I think raised a point that a lot of people 557 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,360 Speaker 1: have forgotten, is that these satellite caucuses that put Bernie 558 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: over the top were created because the Sanders campaign and 559 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: supporters pushed the d n C for more inclusion, and 560 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 1: it was a great investment. And I just think people 561 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: are sick of talking about Iowa shaping quickly. What was 562 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 1: your perception of Brown Droid Gray? Well, I grew with Max. 563 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: She's very good and very good at what she does. 564 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: But the hairs on the back of my neck stood 565 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: up when she said to you, I don't know why. 566 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 1: I don't know why we wouldn't let it, we would 567 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: let a for profit business exist, or something to that effect. 568 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: And I you know, I couldn't hear anything else after that, 569 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: all right, Wendy Benjaminson, Bloomberg Politics editor and and the 570 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: editor of the The the now soon to be legendary 571 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: Tyler Pager, who has just been out front crushing it 572 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: ahead of all of the other print reporters, I mean, 573 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: just killing it in terms of the Iowa caucus coverage 574 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: and what's been going on with the vote totals. I mean, 575 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: it's been I'm watching you smile as I said, because 576 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: your team has just been doing incredible work. Well, Tyler Pager, 577 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: Um and a lot of a lot of our colleagues. 578 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: I mean, we've just been very focused on getting sourced 579 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: up in Iowa, which really paid off for us with 580 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: a bunch of scoops, including that one of the reasons 581 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: that the hotline to report results from the precincts to 582 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: the state party headquarters that was supposed to be the 583 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: backup to the phone app that didn't work, apparently got 584 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: posted online and Trump supporters started calling it and just 585 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: pranking the hotline. They'd call up and say, you know, 586 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: something like Bank America Great or something like that and 587 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: hang up. But it caused way times of the precinct 588 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: chairman by thirty forty minutes even an hour. So Um. 589 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: Part of the part of the reason we cannot leave 590 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: Iowa in the rear view mirror, as we would all 591 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: love to do sitting in snowy New Hampshire is that, 592 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: um is that is that the they still i haven't 593 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: finished the vote plus Sanders and Buddha dit of course, 594 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: or less than one tenth of a percentage point apart 595 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: even that. Oh yeah, but even Whendy, from a broader 596 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: standpoint about election security are the d n T now 597 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: is under enormous pressure number one, And then they're also 598 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: under enormous pressure number two to make sure that this 599 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: doesn't happen again. Well, at the risk of veering into 600 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: analysis or opinion, what I'm supposed to be doing news, 601 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: they have been under enormous pressure since that's not and 602 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: you know, this was a phone app and a hotline 603 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: in a caucus situation. It seems like there should have 604 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: been some more training or preparation or maybe making sure 605 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: the number to report the results didn't get posted on Twitter. 606 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: And I'm hesitant to say, I mean, look, I mean, 607 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: obviously someone's gonna get blamed, but I mean I remember 608 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: back ahead of the midterms and and talking to sources 609 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: in the intelligence community and talking to people at the 610 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: various intelligence agents. Hee's Wendy Benjaminson. And there is the 611 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: one thing I've come away from is there's such a patchwork. 612 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,719 Speaker 1: Every election is different, even though there are certain regulations 613 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: and whatnot. But this should be a wake up call 614 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: for both parties. And and yes, you know, look if 615 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: there's criticism for the DNC, criticism for the d m C, 616 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: but you know, twenty years from now or even next 617 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: election cycle, if this happens at the r n C. 618 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like, oh, this isn't partisan at all. No, no, 619 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 1: but it partisan in many of the conversations. And I 620 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: think the d n c's role was in approving the system. 621 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: It's it was really the Iowa Democratic Party, frankly, that 622 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: that didn't wasn't prepared for this event. And um, you know, 623 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: they've been having the Iowa caucuses for almost fifty years 624 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: that they have down. But then they decided to try 625 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: a new fangled device, and they didn't prepare for a 626 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: new fangled device and can't do that. You can't do that. 627 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: And of course Iowa is a rural state. Iowa is 628 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: a state where they're using rural broadband in some parts 629 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: of the state and where people don't have, um, you know, 630 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: the sort of technological you know, uh, skills that some 631 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 1: people do in the bank. And I'll just say this 632 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: again because I really do feel it bears repeating. I mean, 633 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: we just saw, folks, what happens when a minor technology 634 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: decision goes wrong. It impacts your friend. No, it's not 635 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: moving on. There's a metaphor there. Uh, we're all phone 636 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: autics these days. But but seriously, I mean, no, no 637 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: laughing matter. I mean, you know, maybe there's a conversation 638 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: to be had about, you know, a national election commission 639 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: or whatnot that oversees these things. All. Right, now it's 640 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: time for my favorite part of the show. What's your 641 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: quick take on your radar? Wendy Benjamin said, I'm not 642 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: gonna let you go first, Max Burns, what's your quick 643 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: take that's on your radar? I'm actually following coronavirus and 644 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: how it's been expanding. They've just recently launched a quarantine 645 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: of around fifty million people, which is as much as 646 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: all of Texas and all of Florida combine. It's just 647 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: a staggering number and there are a lot of ethical 648 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: and ethicacy concerns that come with that. I'm curious to 649 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: see how that plays out. Meanwhile, in addition to that, 650 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: I mean just the volatility that that's injected into the markets. 651 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: We've been following it all day on Bloomberg Television, my 652 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: colleagues on Bloomberg Television, just all over. That story is 653 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: so great thing to have on your radar. Uh, it's 654 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: anyw with guests when that thing will be taken care of. 655 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: Shape and Fay, republican political consultant, former Press secretary to 656 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: the New York Governor George Pataki, what's your quick take 657 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: on your radar? Well, I'm thinking about today is Ronald 658 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: Reagan's birthday, and happy birthday, Rod. The stark contrast between 659 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: a Republican president from a TV and theater background who 660 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: harnessed that medium to great success and is now herald 661 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: that it is one of the you know, pre eminent 662 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 1: examples of Republican presidents. And we have a current president 663 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 1: who also comes from a television background, and I think 664 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: he's harnessing it. While it's very dramatic, it's a symbol, 665 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: symbol of the era. Right. We are in a reality 666 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: TV era. Reagan's u TV era was drawn, you know, 667 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: our long dramas and sitcoms, and we are now in 668 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,280 Speaker 1: an era where people go on television and make fools 669 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 1: of themselves and uh make careers out of it. And 670 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 1: you know, I think it's just sad, a stark reflection. 671 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if Trump is the cause of problems. 672 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,280 Speaker 1: I think he is, um, you know, he is of 673 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,320 Speaker 1: of our time. He is. I mean, just it's sad, 674 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 1: just in terms of where the media is gone. I mean, 675 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: I remember as a kid watching Sam Russer and I'll 676 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,800 Speaker 1: meet the press with my dad every Sunday after mass Um. 677 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,879 Speaker 1: It's a different era, Oney, Benjaminson, what's your quick take 678 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: on your radar? The quick take on my radar is 679 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:42,240 Speaker 1: wondering whether Vice President Joe Biden will survive this primary season. 680 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: He's still gotten. He looks like he is taking a 681 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: gut punch in Iowa. We'll see how he does in 682 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: New Hampshire. He's not favored to do very well. Let's 683 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 1: and if I were his campaign, I'd be looking to 684 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,399 Speaker 1: Nevada and South Carolina and then on to Super two. 685 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: Can I tell you something about that? When I was 686 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: at the Sanders press conference today, I started the show 687 00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: at this but I have to tell you and I 688 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: feel like I didn't get to talk to you today. 689 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: Usually we talk all the time. I think the biggest 690 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,399 Speaker 1: issue for him is no one's attacking him right now. 691 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 1: Even Brianna Joy Gray that she she didn't even I mean, 692 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 1: she didn't even talk about at the press conference today, 693 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: he pivoted away from attacking Biden and just moved to Trump. 694 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 1: And let's see what happens at the debate tomorrow night. 695 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,720 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a booted Judge Bernie slug 696 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 1: Fest and by we I really just think if you're 697 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,359 Speaker 1: not getting attacked in politics, you're irrelevant, right, all right, 698 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 1: Wendy Benjamin said, I know you gotta get out of here. 699 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for stopping by Bloomberg Politics. That congrats 700 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 1: for Tyler Pager and your team. What's my quick take 701 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:44,439 Speaker 1: on my radar? I don't know that's the first time 702 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 1: that's happened. No, we don't have enough time to go 703 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: into it, but I for real, it's the Chinese and 704 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,240 Speaker 1: how they've they've they're following through with the US China 705 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: Phase one trade agreement on February four teens Valentine to 706 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: Day call it a sweetheart deal. They're going to continue 707 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: with their commitment to slice one of those tariffs, which 708 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 1: is a good sign. This despite keyword despite what Max 709 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: was just talking about the coronavirus, because there's that clause, folks, 710 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,720 Speaker 1: it's like there get out of jail free card for 711 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 1: the corona for natural disasters and whatnot, And you know 712 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,320 Speaker 1: they could qualify the coronavirus as such, which would inject 713 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: volatility into the markets. So anyway, we're moving in a 714 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 1: good direction with the tariffs getting sliced on February fourth, Max, 715 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: Thank you shaping Faye, did you have fun? I had 716 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 1: a great time. Would you come back in a second. 717 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: All right, thank you appreciate it. And that does it 718 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: for me. I'm Kevin Cirilli, Chief Washington correspondent from Bloomberg 719 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,839 Speaker 1: Television and Bloomberg Radio. I'm still stuffed from my meal 720 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 1: at the Red Arrow Diner and snowy Manchester, New Hampshire. 721 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: And we're gonna have special coverage of the primaries of 722 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 1: whatever happens with that caucus in Iowa and uh some 723 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,319 Speaker 1: more interviews as well, and the debate of course, tomorrow night. 724 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: You can listen to it. You can listen to it 725 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: live on Bloomberg Radio cross platform pre show, post show. 726 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: Check us out on the Bloomberg Business app. And thanks 727 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,920 Speaker 1: for listening to Bloomberg F one