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Well, we got another NBA trade last 33 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 2: night as the Boston Celtics made their first big shakeup 34 00:01:55,960 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 2: of this summer, sending Drew Holiday to the Portland Trailblazers 35 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 2: for an exciting young lead guard and Anferny Simons as 36 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 2: well as two second round picks. We're gonna be breaking 37 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 2: that trade down from the perspective of both teams. Then 38 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 2: Jackson's gonna come on the show. He's a big Celtics fan. 39 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 2: And he's gonna give his take. We'll go back and 40 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 2: forth about it for a little bit and then we'll 41 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 2: get out of here. You guys are the joke before 42 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 2: we get started. 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In the last 51 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:35,799 Speaker 2: but not least, keep dropping mail back questions in the 52 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 2: YouTube comments and we'll keep getting to them throughout the 53 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 2: remainder of the year. All right, let's talk some basketball. 54 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 2: So in the deal, the Portland Trailblazers get Drew Holliday 55 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 2: and the Boston Celtics get Anferny Simons as well as 56 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 2: two second round picks. So Boston turns an older veteran 57 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 2: role player into a younger lead guard. We all know 58 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: who Drew Holliday is and what he's capable of and 59 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 2: in the context of the current iteration of the Celtics, 60 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 2: when fully healthy, he brings a ton of value and utility. 61 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 3: Right. 62 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: But the second that Jason Tatum went down the way 63 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 2: that he did, it officially made all the sense in 64 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 2: the world to look to move Drew Holliday for something 65 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 2: more useful in the long run. My initial gut reaction 66 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 2: when I saw the trade was wow, like, this is 67 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 2: gonna be fun. This instantly makes the Boston Celtics next 68 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 2: year interesting in a way that they wouldn't have been 69 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 2: if they would have made moves more in line with 70 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 2: bringing in draft compensation or more theoretical talent. This is 71 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 2: more of like a in one year, we're going to 72 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 2: find out really quickly how well Anfernie Simon's Because Anthrony's 73 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 2: right at the beginning of what you would consider to 74 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 2: be the prime of his career in his mid twenties, right, 75 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 2: You're gonna get to see really quickly how well he 76 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 2: fits in the Boston system, in the Joe Mizula driving 77 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 2: kickses them. It's a perfect test of a theory we 78 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 2: haven't seen a lead guard in this system. That's not 79 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 2: to say that Drew or Derek couldn't play with the 80 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 2: ball in their hands. Derek White obviously ran a ton 81 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 2: of action with Jayson Tatum as an excellent pull up 82 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 2: three point shooter, a very good passer out of ball screens, 83 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,239 Speaker 2: but he doesn't really bring like all of the wiggle 84 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 2: and downhill force that you get from an Anfernie Simons. Right, 85 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 2: jew Holliday plays with a lot of power, does bring 86 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 2: some downhill force, certainly can hit higher difficulty shots in 87 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 2: ball screens and things like that, but he doesn't have 88 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 2: the level of just wiggle and pull up shooting and 89 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 2: stuff that Anthony Simons has. Anfernie brings a combination of 90 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 2: downhill burst, shifty ball handling, and pull up shooting that 91 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 2: neither of those guys had. So before we get to 92 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 2: any of the specifics of Anfernie's game, I'm just excited 93 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 2: to see this tweak in Joe Mizula's driving kick system, 94 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: and he brings a very different style even than what 95 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,559 Speaker 2: Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum did. So in a year 96 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 2: where Tatum is unavailable, where the Celtics don't have championship expectations, 97 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 2: they can evaluate what it looks like to see this 98 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 2: type of guard play in their system of matchup hunting, 99 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 2: drive and kick basketball, modern four out spacing, big spacing 100 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 2: above the break. All of those specific characteristics immediately makes 101 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 2: the Celtics a very interesting watch next year. So a 102 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 2: quick description of Anferny's game for those of you guys 103 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 2: who haven't watched much of him over the years. He 104 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 2: obviously spent the entire beginning of his career alongside Damian Lillard. 105 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 2: This is something that stood out to me throughout watching 106 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 2: a young Anthony in Portland. He plays esthetically a very 107 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 2: similar style to Dame. He's a bigger, more upright player. 108 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 2: He doesn't have the level the overall level of first 109 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 2: step quickness and athleticism that Dame had, but you can 110 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 2: tell that they did a lot of workouts together. You 111 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 2: can tell that Anthny idolized Dame, and by the way, 112 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 2: he picked a great player to idolize. He's got a 113 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 2: very quick and compact jump shot release that he can 114 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 2: get to out of all of the same kind of 115 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 2: footwork stuff that Dame uses, like hard pound dribble in 116 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 2: and out to the right, step backs, going to the left, 117 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 2: step backs, going both directions. 118 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 3: The mid range pull ups. 119 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 2: He's got all of the same kind of like footwork 120 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 2: and off the dribble jump shooting combinations that Damian Lillard had. 121 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 2: Again not to the same level of efficiency, but at 122 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 2: least in terms of the aesthetics and the way that 123 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 2: he gets to his shots very similar out of hesitation dribbles, 124 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 2: out of dribble combinations from three and from the mid range. 125 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 2: It's like watching a taller dame. It's legitimately crazy how 126 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 2: similar their jump shot form and some of their body 127 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 2: movements are. He has all of the shot making you 128 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 2: need and pick and roll, pull up twos, pull up threes, floaters, 129 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 2: he can get to the rim, he can make basic 130 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 2: passing reads in pick and roll. He's not some surgical 131 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 2: playmaker by any strike the imagination, but he can make 132 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 2: the reads that you need to run an NBA offense. 133 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 2: His weakness, and this is in all likelihood why Portland 134 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 2: is moving on from him, is that he isn't particularly 135 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 2: great at any of those specific things within the lead 136 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 2: guard archetype. Like he's a good three point shooter off 137 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 2: the catch, but he's not a great three point shooter 138 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 2: off the catch. He's a decent pull up shooter forty 139 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 2: seven percent on pull up twos last year thirty five 140 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 2: percent on pull threes. It's also worth mentioning he did 141 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 2: go down year over year as a shooter, but the 142 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: previous year he spent the majority of the year playing 143 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 2: alongside Damian Lillard catching lesser primitive defenders, So I do 144 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 2: think that those two things are related in a lot 145 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 2: of ways. But again, he's a good pull up shooter. 146 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 2: He actually got up over a point per shot, but 147 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 2: he's not like some deadly efficient pull up shooter like 148 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 2: you see at the top guys in the league. Right 149 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 2: He's okay on floaters, he's forty percent, but that's not 150 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 2: the super high level floater shooter that you see around 151 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 2: the league, guys like Tydrome, Tyree s Haliburton that are 152 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 2: shooting over fifty on floaters. He's a decent driver of 153 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 2: the basketball. He's particularly good at beating slower footed bigs 154 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 2: and switches, which I think will be uniquely valuable in 155 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 2: Boston's system. But he's not an elite driver of the 156 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 2: basketball that like shreds defenses. He logs about nine drives 157 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 2: per game. For perspective, Shay Gilges, Alexander twenty one, Brunson eighteen, 158 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 2: Trey Young seventeen. He's just not a great driver of 159 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 2: the basketball the way that those guys are. He's a 160 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 2: decent passer at a pick and roll in ISO, but 161 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 2: he's not a super high level playmaker. And then he's 162 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 2: got a couple of areas where he's kind of weak. Right, 163 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 2: He's very poor finisher at the rim, just fifty four 164 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 2: percent overall, just fifty two percent on layups. He does 165 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 2: have a little bit more vertical pop than you'd probably think, 166 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 2: and he'll occasionally get up and throw one down, but 167 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 2: that's not rim finishing is not a strength of his, 168 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 2: and he is not a good defensive player, although he 169 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 2: did average a career high and steels last year. The 170 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 2: Portland Trailblazers towards the tail end of the season took 171 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 2: on more of a defensive identity, you know, behind guys 172 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 2: like Tamani Kamara, Robert Williams, Matist Thaibel and by the way, 173 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 2: Drew Holliday's going to be very interesting in that regard 174 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 2: if they do decide to keep him. But and Anthrony 175 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 2: did force more turnovers within that context, but that's not 176 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 2: exactly what you would consider to be a. 177 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 3: Strength for him. 178 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 2: The reason why I like this move for Boston has 179 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 2: to do with their culture, has to do with the 180 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 2: brand of basketball that they're playing Anferny's flaws, all those 181 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 2: things that I just went over are what made him 182 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 2: inexpensive to get in a trade. He's doing extension soon. Obviously, 183 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 2: whether or not that extension meets a certain threshold is 184 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 2: going to be a big part of whether or not 185 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 2: this makes sense for Boston. But they could also turn 186 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 2: around and flip him. If he goes in there this 187 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 2: year and you know, you set him up properly and 188 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,199 Speaker 2: in the Boston system and it just continues to be underwhelming, 189 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 2: they can turn around and flip him. They can turn 190 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 2: around and move him in a different direction. And so 191 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 2: obviously there's a forward thinking element to this in terms 192 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 2: of asset management. What they do they retain him, if 193 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 2: they do, what do they retain him on? In terms 194 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 2: of an extension, if they move him, what do they 195 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 2: get in return? That is going to be the kind 196 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 2: of like swing factor in this deal. But you know 197 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 2: that's on Brad Stevens to figure out. In the short term, 198 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 2: you gave yourself an opportunity to see what Anthony Zimons 199 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 2: looks like in this system. Boston is one of the 200 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 2: best teams in the league at creating space for drivers 201 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,839 Speaker 2: of the basketball. Some of the little things that they 202 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 2: do in terms of like spacing bigs above the break 203 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 2: to create a different sort of help defense situation. So 204 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 2: instead of there being a big waiting at the rim, 205 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 2: the big is out dealing with you know, Porzingis or 206 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 2: Horford above the break, and now you have a small guard, 207 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 2: someone like it Derek White, someone like a Peyton Pritchard, 208 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 2: someone like a Sam Hauser, sometimes drifting into the dunker spot, 209 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 2: so that the help defender the guy guarding that guy 210 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 2: as a smaller player that's contesting at the rim. They 211 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 2: move without the ball, they're constantly cycling through. There's a 212 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 2: lot of things that Boston does to create really open 213 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 2: areas on the floor. Four guys like anfernit to go 214 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 2: to work. Now, obviously it remains to be seen whether 215 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 2: or not some of those guys get moved, So like 216 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 2: if you know, they don't bring Horford back and then 217 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 2: they trade Porzingis, then yeah, it's going to potentially have 218 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 2: an impact on their spacing. But even in that context, 219 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 2: dating back to twenty twenty two when they were playing 220 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 2: some of these non shooting bigs like Robert Williams. They 221 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 2: are capable of generating space and I think that that's 222 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 2: a very interesting spot for Anferni to be in. He's 223 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 2: also going to be surround with more like dribbles shoot 224 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,319 Speaker 2: pass talent than he was surrounded by in Portland. He's 225 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 2: going to be in lineups where Jalen Brown's on the floor, 226 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 2: where Derek White's on the floor, where Houser's on the floor, 227 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 2: where Pritchard's on the floor, or Baylor Shireman's on the floor. 228 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 2: He's going to be in situations where he is getting 229 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 2: the ball in advantages and he's creating advantages for his 230 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 2: teammates in that drive and kick system. It's an awesome 231 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 2: opportunity for us to see just a different guy now, 232 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 2: like we talked about, because their guards weren't this type 233 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 2: of guard, and because Tatum and Brown are these big 234 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 2: matchup attacking forwards that, as we've talked about over the years, 235 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 2: can sometimes settle forts and struggle to beat their man 236 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 2: at the point of attack. I'm interested to see if 237 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 2: this Boston offense is a bit more resilient, with more 238 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 2: of a lead guard that they can go to to 239 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 2: get dribble penetration to start the engine when things get 240 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 2: kind of stagnant. Anthony gets up into that high hesitation 241 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 2: dribble and he will pressure those gaps and he will 242 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 2: get into the teeth of the defense. And so there 243 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 2: is a different look there that I think will be 244 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 2: really interesting. I like the move. It makes Boston a 245 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 2: more interesting watch this year. It's kind of like an 246 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 2: opportunity to get a different look at the Celtics offense 247 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 2: with a different archetype of player. And then one of 248 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 2: two things will happen. Either Brad Stevens will move him 249 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 2: for asset return to help Tatum and Brown when Tatum 250 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 2: gets back from his injury, or it'll be like, oh shit, 251 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 2: this works. Now, let's talk about what we're gonna look 252 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,199 Speaker 2: like in the future in a system that involves both 253 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 2: Anthony Simon's and Jason Tatum and potentially Jalen Brown as well. 254 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 2: It is an awesome opportunity to run an experiment and 255 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 2: see what this player looks like in the most advanced 256 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 2: driving kick system that we have in the NBA right now. 257 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 3: I'm very, very excited to watch. 258 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 2: It on the Portland front, I would assume this is 259 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 2: about opening up some ball handling responsibility, about opening up 260 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 2: a starting spot. Scoot Henderson has done a lot of 261 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 2: coming off the bench since he's been drafted. This is 262 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 2: a situation that should open up more lead ball handling 263 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 2: responsibility for him, more ball handling opportunities for guys like 264 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,079 Speaker 2: Denny Avdio showed some off the dribble pop towards the 265 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 2: tail end of the season. I'm just wondering whether or 266 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 2: not they have any plans to actually use Drew Holliday 267 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 2: in the short term, or if they intend to flip it. 268 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 2: I feel like Drew is most valuable on a roster 269 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 2: that is championship capable, where he can push a team 270 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 2: over the top, and that's not really what Portland is. 271 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 2: But there is kind of this growing feisty defensive attitude 272 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 2: that Portland took on towards the second half of the 273 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 2: season or so as they started to rack up a 274 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 2: few more impressive wins than usual, a couple of those 275 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 2: like two week streaks where we're like, oh man, some 276 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 2: people this is interesting, right, Like Timani Kamara coming around 277 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 2: as one of the better young wing defenders in the league. 278 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 2: Robert Williams when he's healthy, is still a very really 279 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 2: impactful switching big and rim protecting big matist. Steibel has 280 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 2: been one of the better defensive wings in the league 281 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 2: for a long time. Drew Hollidays should fit into that 282 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 2: context extremely well in terms of helping them. It just 283 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 2: doesn't help them get to what their ultimate goals are. 284 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 2: And so that's why, you know, I kind of would 285 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 2: have preferred to see Drew go to more of a 286 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 2: contending team, but it'll be an interesting kind of influx 287 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 2: of defensive culture for that roster. All Right, Jackson, So 288 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 2: you've had about a little over twelve hours to think 289 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 2: about this deal. As a Celtics fan, where are you 290 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 2: at with Anthony Simon's becoming a Celtic? 291 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 3: I like it. 292 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's a really fun flyer. There's 293 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: they haven't had a player like this in a while. 294 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: It We'll see what else they do this summer. You know, 295 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: I don't think this is the last MOVI for the 296 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: Celtics this summer, but it certainly is a fun bridge 297 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: option where if it really hits in a way that 298 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: maybe even higher than I'm expecting, then all of a 299 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: sudden in an East with all these injuries, like maybe 300 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: the Celtics are actually way more competitive than we may 301 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: have thought after the Tatum injury, and if it doesn't hit, 302 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: then it's like, Okay, that's kind of what we were expecting. Anyways, 303 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: It's sort of this sort of middle to middle down 304 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: year for Boston. The contract situation is has some upsides 305 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: and has some downsides. I mean, the fact that it's 306 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: expiring makes definitely an a tradable piece potentially at the 307 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: deadline if he's playing well and the Celtics don't want 308 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: to be competitive or don't want to be as competitive. 309 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: If he really plays well, though, I would be curious 310 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: what number they're comfortable ex sending him at, you know, like, 311 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: if it really hits, which there's they're gonna need offense, 312 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: and so it's certainly possible that he averages twenty four 313 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: points a game or something like that. I think that's 314 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: definitely within the realm of possibility. And if that happens, 315 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what number you're comfortable signing him at, 316 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: considering he's not a plus defensive player and Missoula Ball. 317 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: While it's sort of most people think about it offensively 318 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: and it is. It's also a lot of we want 319 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: all of our players to be two way players, you 320 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So that's the one one of 321 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: the question marks I think, but overall just zooming out. 322 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 3: I really like it for Boston. 323 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: I think it's a little weird for Portland, but you know, 324 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: they want to be a great defensive team and this 325 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: is going to help with that. 326 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 3: So I get that, Yeah, the big key is going 327 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 3: to be just how good he is right away? 328 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 2: Like this is this a oh an underutilized lead guard 329 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 2: playing in clunky spacing on a defensive mind, it's set 330 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 2: a role player, a core for a you know, kind 331 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 2: of an inexperienced, relatively new head coach that hasn't had 332 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 2: any success yet in the NBA Like this is that 333 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 2: what's going on here? Or is Infnymonds just not that 334 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 2: level of guard? And we are going to find out. 335 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 2: I can I feel like in that Eastern Conference, which 336 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 2: is pretty open and alongside that group, like again, like 337 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 2: they're gonna make some moves this year, but like you 338 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 2: can count on Cornette being there, you can count on 339 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 2: Jaln Brown being there, most likely Pet Peyton, Pritchard, Sam 340 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 2: Houser Derek White, Like there's they're gonna be still a 341 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 2: good core of Celtics role players around him in a 342 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 2: system where these dudes have been playing this style for 343 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 2: a long time. And like, to me, I think the 344 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 2: indicator will be like the scoring plus the efficiency, Like 345 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 2: if they're if they're sitting at the All Star break 346 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 2: and he's at like sixty two percent true shooting because 347 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 2: he's been hitting forty percent of his pull up threes, 348 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 2: and like his drives have gone up from nine to 349 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 2: like thirteen per game because they're just creating more space 350 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, like it's just coming together 351 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 2: in a way that that is where I think you 352 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 2: start to look at it like, oh, we are actualizing 353 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 2: this player, and now he makes sense in this context. 354 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 2: And I think, honestly, to your point about the East 355 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 2: being open, that might literally be the best case scenario 356 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 2: if you could get like two playoff rounds out of 357 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 2: Anferny and kind of see him in that setting in 358 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 2: that context, I think that could be super interesting. 359 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think the. 360 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 1: He's immediately the second most skilled offensive player on the roster. 361 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I like Derek White a lot, but he's 362 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: his overall value is in part because he's a two 363 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: way player. I think Anthonie Simons is immediately the second 364 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: best offensive player and and that's a little strange, Like 365 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: it's it's a unique context to go into a team 366 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,360 Speaker 1: that was so it felt like perfectly built, and now 367 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: you have to just reach fool obviously after the Tatum injury. 368 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 1: But I think this is as good of a pivot 369 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: as you could make consider in the short term. It's 370 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: it's not what I was expecting to Drew Holliday deal. 371 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: I'm going to say that I was expecting a Dallas 372 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: Mavericks get a first round, hopefully get it. Like there 373 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 1: was some mixed reporting whether that it was going to 374 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: be the Celtish need to give up assets to get 375 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: off of that contract, or is the value good enough 376 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: we can get assets back. It was sort of mixed 377 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: reporting in that sense. I wasn't really sure what his 378 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: value was, and I was definitely not expecting a young 379 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: player in return. I was expecting picks really or a 380 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: young player, like a young player who's you know, developed 381 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: enough at this point. Maybe it would have been a 382 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: young flyer or something. But I think it's fun and 383 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: I think that you could talk yourself into a lot 384 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: of different outcomes considering how unstable the Weak feel the 385 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: East unstable the East fields Right. 386 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 2: Now, the usage piece is the interesting part. Like to 387 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 2: your point, I thought that we would see a couple 388 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 2: of different types of moves from Boston this year in 389 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 2: terms of bringing in younger role player talent, draft compensation, 390 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 2: things that would allow Brad to effectively pivot around Tatum 391 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 2: and Brown next year. That's that's what I was expecting too, 392 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 2: And like, it's just that that's what I met when 393 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 2: I said, like, oh, Boston became so much more interesting. 394 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 2: Anferny can come in and be high usage. Like I'm 395 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 2: not now whether or not it ends up being consistent 396 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 2: will be the key, but like you will have games 397 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 2: next year where Anferny drops thirty five and lights the 398 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 2: lights the TV garden on fire, and everyone's like, oh 399 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 2: my gosh, look at that. Like he will have awesome, 400 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 2: high scoring, massive games, like he had that famous game 401 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 2: winner driving pass Russell Westbrook this year against Denver. Like 402 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 2: he is a guy that has real upside. It's hasn't 403 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 2: come to fruition over the course of his career. But 404 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 2: I kind of like this like Bill Simmons used to 405 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 2: talk about this on his show all the time, and 406 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 2: it's kind of an interesting concept. 407 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 3: It's likely lottery flyers. 408 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 2: So like people who were picked in the lottery that 409 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 2: struggled in their first destination. That maybe you just think, oh, 410 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 2: we get him into a new kind of setting, and 411 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 2: this is a guy with some real I agree with, 412 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 2: some real talent, maybe we can get it out of him. 413 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 2: This is kind of like a different version of that. 414 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,360 Speaker 2: It's more like in that after that second contract where 415 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 2: it's like he's much more established. But it's a similar 416 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 2: idea where it's like we've only seen this guy in 417 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 2: one construct. It's generally been a losing construct the entire 418 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 2: time he's been there. We've seen him on super offensive 419 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 2: minded rosters where he's put up big numbers but they 420 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 2: can't win. Now we've seen him on defensive minded rosters 421 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 2: or his efficiency tanks, but like they were you know, 422 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 2: over five hundred there for a big chunk of the season. 423 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 2: So like it's it's kind of it's just an experiment. 424 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 2: It's an experiment. And like in terms of the the 425 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 2: compensation piece to your point, like Drew Holliday was going 426 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 2: to get you something he wasn't going to get you 427 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 2: a haul, you know, you weren't gonna get three firsts, 428 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 2: or like a really really good, interesting young player. Like 429 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 2: to turn Drew Holiday, an expensive, older veteran player, into 430 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 2: a mid twenties dude that you can decide what you 431 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 2: want to do with next to me, is like a 432 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 2: really smart pivot that makes you more interesting. And it's 433 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 2: like a legitimate opportunity to like experiment for Boston's future, 434 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 2: because again, they were going to need to pivot. They 435 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 2: weren't going to be able to just bring everybody back 436 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 2: next year. Horford would have been too old, Porzingis would 437 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 2: have been too old, Drew Holiday would have been too old. 438 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 2: You've got to start experimenting with this right now. 439 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. 440 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: So I think in that context it definitely makes sense. 441 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: And also being able to get not that I'm banging 442 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: the drum for the value of second round picks or anything, 443 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: but Portland is trying to be competitive. The West is loaded. 444 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: I would frankly be surprised if they even made the plan. 445 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: Maybe they sneak into a nine or ten spot so 446 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 1: if they missed the playoffs, that that second round pick 447 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: could be picked thirty eight or something, which is not, 448 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,719 Speaker 1: you know, crazy valuable, but you get two of them 449 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: from Portland which are decent dart throws or decent little 450 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: asset you know, fillers. 451 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 3: You can throw in some other deals. 452 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 1: So overall, I think value wise, I'm happy with it. 453 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: I think it's a real it's a way to make 454 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: the team a lot more. I was really kind of 455 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: expecting a complete sort of dump of a year, like 456 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: a of a year, and it's definitely not going to 457 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: be that. With a move like this, You're not you're 458 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: certainly not saying we're punting on the season. You're trying 459 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: to like, let's try it, Let's see if we can 460 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 1: be fun and competitive, especially in a down East. 461 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 2: And Jalen Brown is going to be attacking this offseason, 462 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 2: preparing for his first full season as a lead ball handler. 463 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 2: You know, Jalen Brown is going to come in in 464 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 2: great shape. He's going to dictate most likely the best 465 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 2: perimeter defender on most nights, which will help put Inferny 466 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 2: back into a situation like he was in with Dame. 467 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 2: There's a lot of like inverted stuff he can do 468 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,199 Speaker 2: with Jalen. I'm just excited I'm excited for open like 469 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 2: the opening week, and like seeing what the Celtics team 470 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 2: looks like. 471 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 3: And I just didn't think that was going to be 472 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 3: the case. 473 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 2: When Tatum went down to to heat the way that 474 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 2: he did, It'll be really weird. 475 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 1: I still have no idea, you know, they got a 476 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: lot of moves to make. I think what the front 477 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: court is going to look like, No idea what the 478 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 1: front court is going to look like. But Drew, Sorry, 479 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: Derek White, Anthony Simon's and Jalen Brown is a very 480 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: fun sort of trio going into going into the next season. 481 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 3: I think from a back closing stand, totally agree, totally agree. 482 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 3: All right, guys, that's all we have today. 483 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 2: As always, we sincerely appreciate you guys for suporting us 484 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 2: and supporting the show. If you didn't see it, we 485 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 2: did drop like an hour and a half of draft 486 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 2: content with Sam Vassini this morning. You guys can find 487 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,719 Speaker 2: that a little bit further back on our feeds. 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