WEBVTT - Screen Time: Rebecca (1940) 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:07.120 Over the past couple of weeks, we have been talking 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:10.959 about the novel Rebecca by Daphne Dumourier. It's a story 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:14.680 about murder, obsession and finding out the person closest to 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:18.800 you Harbor's and awful secret. Honestly, it already sounds like 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:22.000 a Hitchcock movie, and so sure enough we're taking in 0:00:22.040 --> 0:00:26.800 some screen time this week with Alfred Hitchcock's film adaptation 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:30.600 to talk about the charm of the Transatlantic accent and 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:34.040 how the Master of Suspense diverged from the book when 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:36.480 he like asked her to marry him. In the book, 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:39.440 even though what he's saying is like really condescending and mean, 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:42.320 I like infused it with a softness and like an 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:45.800 ironic romantic nous. Where in the this movie he like 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:47.680 is like shouting at her while he's getting in the 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:51.440 shower and like asking me while he's in the other room. Yeah, 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:54.040 he's rushing his teeth and he says, I'm asking you 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:58.680 to marry an you idiot. Okay. Welcome back to Popcorn 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:01.840 Book Club. I'm Danish schwar joined as always by Jennifer Wright, 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:05.720 Coaramadanqua Tantran and Melissa Hunter, and this week we are 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:08.760 on screen time. That doesn't really roll off the tongue, 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:12.679 but I'm committed to it. Uh, we're screen timing. I 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:14.440 can't turn back. I'll have to figure out what the 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:17.959 verb form of that is. We are doing end screen 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:23.080 time about the nineties and forties Alfred Hitchcock adaptation of 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:27.720 Rebecca in anticipation of the new Netflix adaptation, so we 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:31.199 can be the intelligent people going into the Netflix adaptation 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:34.880 comparing it both to the film and the Hitchcock version. 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:37.839 I don't want to say you're unintelligent. If you didn't 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:40.680 watch the other movie and also read the book, I 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:43.200 think that you just don't have time for that. Yes, 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:45.679 there were dinner parties. Right now, we would be the 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:48.120 very obnoxious person. It's like, well, did you read the 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:50.880 book and also did you watch the nine film. I 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:53.480 would only have a dinner party that everyone did that. 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:57.400 I'm sorry. If you didn't, you would not be invited to. 0:01:58.280 --> 0:01:59.760 You have to do a quiz to get him. You 0:01:59.840 --> 0:02:07.440 have a freshman year reading comprehension quiz swirling wine. Jennifer, 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:09.600 you were the one who sort of was a proponent 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:11.880 of this book to begin with. Have you seen the 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:14.960 original movie? I had seen me retinal movie. I had 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:19.359 not seen it for many, many years, so I had 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:23.240 forgotten that the movie diverges from the book in one 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:27.560 very important regard, which is he does not shoot Rebecca 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:31.240 in the movie. He pushes her and she like slits 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:35.760 and dies. She hit her head very much not the 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:39.919 same as shooting someone. It's like the Staircase documentary. Yeah, 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:43.280 I think I read on Wikipedia, so who knows the 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:47.359 sources that that was like a Hollywood produmption standard code thing, 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:49.400 one of those things where it's like, well, he can't 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:51.520 have shot his wife and gotten away with it, so 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:54.640 he must have just covered up her accidental death and 0:02:54.720 --> 0:03:01.760 gotten way. That doesn't happen, especially not in the forties. Um, 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:05.440 I think you lose a lot of the impact of 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:07.840 the second missis de Winter's loyalty. Though if she doesn't 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:11.640 stand with him when he is clearly committed cold blooded murder, 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:14.880 it sort of makes it more of a love story 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:17.000 if you can sort of get on board with this, 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:22.000 like he was wrongfully. It's still bad what he did, 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:25.160 but the movie tries to make it see much more 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:28.800 like gone Girl, Like it was still bad, but yeah, 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:31.360 he didn't murder her In cold blood when thinking she 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:35.480 was fucking pregnant. Like, that's a little bit different and 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:38.240 it all. Yeah, and like Jennifer said, it also changes 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:44.720 the color of the way the unnamed woman or second 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:48.440 Missus de Winter stands by her man, you know, like 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:51.440 doing it in that way is a bit more understandable 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:56.000 and understandable for me. Seeing it on screen made me 0:03:56.240 --> 0:04:00.600 hate Maxim a lot more. Yeah, I found him weird, 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:03.440 even though even though in the book he committed a murder. 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.160 Just like, fundamentally, I found him more likable in this 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:08.960 book then in the show. In the movie where he's 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:13.840 played by Laurence, Yeah, that's wild. I had never seen 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:16.560 Laurence Olivier out of black face before, so this is 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:20.200 an experience for me. I'm joking. Obviously I have, but 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:23.599 I just wanted to get that in there. I think 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:26.520 my impression is I found him very unlikable because he's 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:30.040 very mean and very snappy, and he sounds even snappier 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:33.080 in a Transatlantic accent. He's like you that, what are 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:36.920 you doing? Get over here? I thought he was perfect, 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:39.679 Like from the book, I'm like, Maxim is a total 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:44.080 asshole and speaks condescendingly and patronizing lee to the second 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:46.520 Mrs de Winter, And when I saw how he was 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:50.039 playing it Laurence Olivia, I was like, Okay, this is 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:54.480 exactly how I pictured him. And he's even like more, 0:04:55.440 --> 0:05:00.960 he's not deady murdered baby anymore, not murder, he's not 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:06.120 murder daddy's any um. But I actually I really liked 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:08.200 the way he played it. So I'm like looking forward 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:13.640 to seeing how you know, Armie Hammer does because I 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:18.799 just don't think I can Can Army do a British accent? 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:24.600 Do we think? I mean, I could think he's he's 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:26.680 a dedicated actor. He's going to do the work to 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:29.520 do the best British accent that he is capable of doing. 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:33.720 I think we also overestimate like British actors are Americans 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:38.000 constantly and then it's like an American doing a British accent. 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:43.680 How But yeah, he's so charming that and warm he 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:45.919 is such a warmth to him as an actor, and 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:48.760 that I feel like it'll be interesting. I agree, but 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:51.120 I agreed to and I feel like we're talking about 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:55.120 this in the book episode that you know it is 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:58.560 really interesting that like that it isn't a love story 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:02.320 it's like the this young woman who is just like 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:05.920 believes that she's in love, but it's against this very 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:10.280 cold figure. And I liked seeing that cold figure personified 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:13.919 because you're reminded it's so easy to like put a 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:17.200 character onto maxim or like a personality or like a 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:19.719 someone you fell in love with when you're young that 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:24.680 was wrong, and I feel like seeing it, it's like, oh, no, girl, run. Yeah. 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:27.200 Like I think when he like asked her to marry 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:30.560 him in the book, I imagined it with like even 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:33.040 though what he's saying is like really condescending and mean, 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:35.920 I like infused it with a softness and like an 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:39.400 ironic romantic nous. Where in the this movie, he like 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:41.320 is like shouting at her while he's getting in the 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:43.760 shower and like asks her to marry while he's in 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:47.039 the other room. Yeah, he's brushing his teeth and he says, 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:50.920 I'm asking you to marry an you idiot. And I 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:53.320 love how she just collapsed, like it's like, oh, the 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:58.599 most romantic thing. I was very much into the denotation. 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:01.520 I was like, these are the words he's saying, And 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:04.680 I think for me, it's easier to look at it 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:07.720 in a negative light and be like, no, this is 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:10.800 bad in the writing um in the movie, obviously, it 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:13.240 was also very objectively bad that I expected it to 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:15.880 be that, because that's how I read it on the page. 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:18.080 I was like, nobody should talk to somebody that they 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:22.000 love this way. Although he never said that he loved her, 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:23.560 He was just like, do you want to come here? 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:26.640 You want to go there? And yet in the trailer 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:29.400 for the Army Hammer one that line which is in 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:32.560 the trailer, he's like lifting up her chin and gazing 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:39.800 in her eyes. And here's what I hope happens in 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:41.720 the movie. And this is just me being like, this 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:44.600 is what I would do with it? Is it could 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:49.000 be a real analog for for like an abusive relationship 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:52.240 where at the beginning is love bombing and it is 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:54.400 him saying I love you, I love you and being 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:58.400 perfect and asking her to marry him very suddenly, Like 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:03.360 that is all like really love bomby behavior from an abuser, 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:05.840 And so I feel like that would be really interesting 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:08.800 if it's all perfect on the trip and then when 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:12.200 they get back he's this cold asshole who yells at 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:20.160 her from the bathroom. That would be the vision, Like, yeah, 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:22.800 I would I would be interested in seeing that version 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:27.080 because that feels like the modern reason why you would 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:30.080 do it to be like that. Mm hmm. I would 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:33.320 be very interested in seeing how they frame the new movie, 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:36.079 because I found the framing of this nineties one versus 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:40.520 the book really interesting. We didn't get those first two 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:42.800 chapters that I hated. We didn't get those at all, 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:46.560 um which I actually was like, man, Jen was right. 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:49.800 I kind of wish that I had that scene of seeing, 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:54.360 like what happens after Mandalai's burned down, so j just 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:59.560 like board and trapped in the media, just trapped in 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:02.720 mediocre hotel for the rest of your lives. I wanted 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:05.800 to see that at the end, though not at the beginning. 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:08.959 I still wanted that, but I wanted to see, Oh yeah, 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:13.440 they're not happy and Mrs dampers fucking one. But Karama, 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:16.960 what if in the modern one, she's very unhappy and 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:19.199 she it's a freeze frame and then it's a narrator, 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:21.720 the narrator sing you're probably wondering how I got into 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:25.040 the situation, and it cuts back with you like that 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:32.800 that Melissa, that's that is screenwriter record scratching around. I 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:36.959 think everything should star that way. Yeah, the other you 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:46.280 see Rose on the door and she's like, you're probably wondering, okay, 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:49.679 but actually and ironically, yes, I would actually love that. 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:52.320 I would love to see Kate Winslett narrating the whole 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:55.040 movie with the Titanic has only just sunk, so she's 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:59.439 just she's only backtracking from like the last several days. 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:04.440 While flow on the door, she's going insane, like from 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:09.360 from being frozen in the water so cold, trying to 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:15.680 figure out how this happened. The thing that concerns me 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:19.000 about the new one that I liked about the nineties 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:22.520 forties one is the age difference. Like Laurence Olivier looked 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:26.199 much older than Joan Fonte, who like looked like a 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:32.720 little wisp of a of a girl. She was very good. Yeah, 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:34.679 she's really good at it. I mean. One of the 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:36.800 things that worries me about the new ones is Lily 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:42.600 James is so beautiful and she's five. They're both like five, 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:46.840 they're the same age, and they're both in their mid thirties. Yea, 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:51.680 Joe Fontaine at least seems like she is genuinely very 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:55.400 insecure when she wears that dress that is just it 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:57.480 looks really good in the picture in the magazine, but 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:01.600 it does not look good on her, like human being. Um, 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:04.440 it just feels like such a sweet, relatable moment, like 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:09.280 you feel like, oh that poor Ladys would look good 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:12.880 in a potato set, Like yeah, and then being the 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:16.400 same age just disrupts, like one of the power differentials 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:21.360 among which was I feel much more noticeable, like I 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:24.840 was getting big Leonardo DiCaprio vibes when she was like, 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:27.480 I wish I was thirty six, dressed in black satin 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:30.000 and wearing a string of pearls, and he was like 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:33.400 if I don't want I don't want that. He's like, 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:42.800 don't ever grow up young, forever push you down the stairs. Yeah. 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:45.760 I like that. That is like Hollywood's version of a 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:50.560 less tragic version of how the First Wife dies. It's like, yeah, 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:55.720 he pushed her, so that's better, right. He blacked out 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:59.440 raged and then she he woke up and she was dead. 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:04.160 She's still siling, you know, I mean, just black out 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:07.679 sometimes in rage and then someone across from you is dead. 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:12.840 You can't imagine. Yeah. I love the classic mean girl 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:18.200 move that that Beatrice does when she's like I'm paraphrasing, 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:20.840 but she says something like, I just love how you 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:24.439 don't care how you look. He's great, just like I 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:28.000 don't care how you look, it's great. I think she 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:30.199 specifically said, I can tell by the way that you 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:32.520 dressed that you don't care quit about what you wear. 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:37.880 Good in Atlantic, Kama, Yeah, that was good. This is 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:39.640 like the thing that I do for fun when I'm 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:42.240 alone in my room. So I'm glad the whole world 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:45.600 knows this now, Like I just love doing like mid 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:48.800 Atlantic accents for fun. And one of my favorite things 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:51.920 in the last season of BoJack Horsemen was Paget Brewster 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:55.600 playing that pig that worked for the news and just 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:58.000 was like always like oh and then this, and then 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:00.120 we're gonna go here and we're gonna do that all 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:03.840 of that. That's how great would it be if Army 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:08.760 and Lily did mid Atlantic for this movie, just like 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:15.760 without any like full commitment, that would be Harris shows up. 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:19.960 It would be kind of dream of Katherine. Harris showed 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:24.480 us Mrs Danvers, Mrs dan Verse, and the actor who 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:32.160 played Mrs Danverse. She was amazing. She was Judith Anderson, 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:40.400 Francis Margaret Anderson. I still I love the vibe. She 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:42.680 didn't seem old, but she did sort of have that 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:46.240 vibe of like in old times when you're now at 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:48.880 your job, you're like sixteen, you're like, this is your job. 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:52.200 You're now an old house mistress. That's her job forever. 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:55.680 Like I think people just aged differently. And Jen, I 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:57.040 think you were. I think you were the one that 0:13:57.120 --> 0:14:00.800 said that, like the lesbian vibes of movie get like 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:04.040 really pumped up, get really pumped up in the book, 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:07.520 and I was like excited for that. And it's that 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:10.720 moment where she like makes the second Mrs de Winter 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:19.760 look through the silk closet, yeah fingers, yeah, you know, 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:22.800 the whole like room in the West Wing scene, I 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:27.200 literally wrote, I think I wrote Mrs Danver's for coat 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:34.480 gayest ships a moment where she holds the fur coat 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:37.000 up to her up to her face and rubs it 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:40.360 on her cheek, and I was like, whoa, oh, yeah, 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:45.160 there's no question had sex many times. Yeah yeah, yeah, 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:50.880 that room was crazy nice though. West wing, yeah beautiful, 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:54.880 way better than the East Wing room objectively, and better 0:14:54.920 --> 0:15:00.000 than the West Wing of the White House. Yeah. Yeah, 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:04.760 Like structurally, this is a great time for us to 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:06.280 take a break. I think we should take a break 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:18.560 right here. So we're back with Popcorn Book Club for 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:26.960 My Heart Radio. I do wonder if having this version 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:30.440 for he just accidentally blacks out a number. Beca's dad 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:34.600 takes away some of Mrs Danfrew's victory at the end. 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:36.640 Like in the book, it really does feel like a 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:40.240 victory of you killed this woman who was my daughter, 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:45.000 slash lover. Now I will burn your house to the ground. Um. 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:49.160 It feels a little more incomprehensible to me in the 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:53.160 movie because they've just gotten through a big trial. Everybody's 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:57.960 established well, nice, sweasy innocent, and it doesn't feel as 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:00.080 it does to me in the book, like this a 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:02.600 white man got away with murdering his wife, but Mrs 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:07.760 Danverse handled that and she enacted justice. Because the movie 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:11.800 sort of hedges it and makes you believe that he 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:15.760 kind of didn't kill his wife. Yeah. Yeah, Because I 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:18.520 was watching and remember reading the book, I was like, oh, 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:21.480 he killed his wife, Like very early as I was 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:23.400 watching the movie, I was like, it's interesting, how I 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:25.960 don't get that same vibe here. And then we got 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:28.520 to the editor was like, oh, that's why. Because They 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:30.600 literally don't want you to think he killed his wife. 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:33.440 They just they're like, Nope, he didn't do it. He okay, 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:35.760 I looked it up. Mrs Danvers at the time was 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:38.920 played by Judith Anderson at age forty two at the 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:41.800 time of shooting, so definitely more of a lover than 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:50.800 a mom vibe one. I don't know. I did read 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:54.440 that like David O. Selznick. It was so it was 0:16:54.480 --> 0:17:00.240 the first American movie that Hitchcock made, and um, and 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:04.000 that he's like the first three of Hitgecock's movies were 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:07.400 under David O. Selznick and they're kind of like known 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:11.600 to be his weakest films and and it's because they 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:15.440 fought a lot. And and one of the things that 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:18.600 David O. Selznick wanted was at the end for the 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:21.480 smoke to spell an R in the in the s 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:25.600 and he was like, no, that's too that's too much 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:32.560 by burning are the like linen or whatever. That's like 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:39.280 the last American audiences are dumb. You got sell American audience. 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:41.920 I'm here for it. Yes, yeah, I would have liked 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:46.879 that spooky are I would have been I like, I 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:49.640 like the Mitchell and Webb sketch who are British comedians 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.320 where they have a fake Sealsnick and he's like, Hitchcock 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:55.200 came to me with this book called Rebecca and I said, great, 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:57.919 who do you want as Rebecca? And then they explained it. 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:00.600 He's like I told him, if in America, if you 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:03.359 have a movie called Rebecca, audiences are gonna want to 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:08.000 see a dame called Rebecca. And then like fake movie 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:11.960 is that. She's like, she's Rebecca and he's like, uh no, 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:15.680 that's what the second Mrs de Winter will wear. I 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:20.720 just flit. I love that, And you know what, I 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:22.920 do wish I actually kind of do wish we could 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:26.239 see Rebecca because the thing about film is that we 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:28.840 have this third person perspective. We're not inside the second 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:31.080 Mrs de Winter's head, and I would have loved to 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:34.760 have actually been privy to the scene between them in 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:39.280 the sex check by the beach and seen that fight 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:42.280 and seeing like seeing Mrs de Winter coming down the stairs. 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:44.919 And it's supposed to be that she's haunting this place, 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:46.639 so I would love to see what it looked like 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:48.720 when she was in there. And I hope that the 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:51.080 new one takes advantage of that maybe that's a Nixmas 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:54.400 and that's one of the reasons. What about a Crimson ghost? 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:58.040 What if we got a Crimson Peak style Rebecca. I mean, 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:01.320 so when I was in college, that's when I saw 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:04.240 Rebecca for the first time. And it's because I was 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:08.440 on this play called Mrs Prudential, which this um guy 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:12.920 from at school wrote Dennis Webber, very funny, writer, director, 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:22.159 very talented. You know Dennis from Chicago. Yes, saying so 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:25.640 he listened since he's your friends. Yeah, yeah, I mean 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:28.840 maybe of course we Yeah, we make all of our 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:33.560 friends listen. Um. So, anyway, it was called it was 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:36.399 based on it was inspired by Rebecca, and it was 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:40.400 called Mrs Prudential and Mr Prudential. I was Mrs Prudential 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:43.960 number two, and there were five Mrs Prudentials and each 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:47.359 one he murders and puts in the closet and at 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:49.720 the end they all come back as ghosts and kill 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:54.120 him and I and I remember reading that and be like, oh, 0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:55.760 Rebecca is going to be so fun. It's going to 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:58.880 be about ghosts. And then it wasn't any any ghosts. 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:02.040 Not one goes there's not a ghost in sight. And 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:04.360 she asked, like, do you believe in ghosts. And she's 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:07.399 like no, and then she's like, I want a party 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:11.400 and I want to address and I am in charge now, 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:15.680 and I'm like, where is the ghost? I wanted the ghost? There? 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:19.719 There were so many like billow curtains and shadow moments. 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:22.040 I was like, she's gonna pop up up, She's gonna 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:27.560 pop up and give me that goes, give me that guy. Um. 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:30.119 I don't know. I feel like it's really important that 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:33.399 you never see Rebecca because no matter what, it's not 0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:36.600 going to live up to this vision that the Seconds 0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:39.760 to Winter has in her head. He was a beautiful, 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:42.360 perfect woman who nobody can ever be as pretty as 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:44.840 I don't know you can get Rihanna. I know, Yeah, 0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:46.679 I just want more. I would like more of a 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:49.160 film Rebecca, just so like I want to see who 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:52.200 they think Hollywood like, I want to see that casting. 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:55.080 It's not it's more like a it's more of like 0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:57.600 a personal Hollywood casting moment that I would like. I 0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:00.159 think it would be really fun if there are just 0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:03.240 one picture in the modern movie and it's just like 0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:06.960 Angelina Jolie and everyone's like, oh, Angelina Jolie is gonna 0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:10.359 come and and then she never does. It's just they 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:14.240 just licensed that one photo. I got hundred dollars off 0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:17.439 of Getty Images and then that was it. Just like 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:23.240 Meryl Streep and Mama Mia too. Yeah, I sort of 0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:27.000 my my dream Rebecca. It's sort of like Angelina Jolie 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:32.320 meets Rihanna. What was I saying? Oh Um? I like 0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:35.439 that change in the movie to the TV show that 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:38.400 she sort of like impetuously wanted the party to prove 0:21:38.520 --> 0:21:40.960 she wants to kind of prove herself. We're in the 0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:44.200 book she sort of passively like hadn't rest upon her 0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:46.880 where in this I did like that little action moment 0:21:46.880 --> 0:21:49.000 where she's like, I could have a party. I could 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:51.640 be as good as Rebecca. And it was a good 0:21:51.640 --> 0:21:54.720 party and she did it all by herself. So proud 0:21:54.760 --> 0:21:58.520 of her. I hate her, but she did a really 0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:00.880 good job. And I was like, Okay, I could have 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:06.640 one beer with you. Not to but we're making progress 0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:10.200 because book, Mrs de Winter, I was like, I don't 0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:16.240 want to just go eat your cold ham and Daria. 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:19.000 She matures a lot faster in the movie than she 0:22:19.080 --> 0:22:21.760 does in the book, like she very quickly comes into 0:22:21.760 --> 0:22:24.119 her own and is able to make a sort of 0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:29.520 statements and kind of talks to the butler. Is so 0:22:29.640 --> 0:22:31.800 she is a lady of the manner when her husband 0:22:31.960 --> 0:22:37.480 is being dragged away for maybe murder um where she 0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:41.040 gives She gives the butler like very reassuring things about 0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:44.199 like m Mr Winter will appreciate that, thank you for 0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:47.639 your service. Birth uh. And it's very much like the 0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:49.919 behavior of like a thirty year old woman who has 0:22:49.960 --> 0:22:52.480 been running a house for a while. Yeah, she gets 0:22:52.480 --> 0:22:56.080 on board pretty quick. Yeah, which I didn't. I mean, 0:22:56.160 --> 0:22:58.560 I know, it's like movie magic and things needed to 0:22:58.600 --> 0:23:02.280 be collapsed in like we lost. We lost that like 0:23:02.640 --> 0:23:05.440 moment of him being terrible at the party to her 0:23:05.480 --> 0:23:08.560 for a very long time, and like the boat happening 0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:13.480 right away. I miss all of that him being terrible 0:23:13.560 --> 0:23:15.679 to her essentially, so that like the end, you're like, 0:23:15.720 --> 0:23:18.440 why does why is she still with him? Like why 0:23:19.119 --> 0:23:22.120 the police? Yeah, why doesn't she? So Like I feel 0:23:22.119 --> 0:23:23.960 like you kind of missed some of that as well 0:23:24.040 --> 0:23:28.800 of just like the extended, prolonged lack of confidence from 0:23:28.840 --> 0:23:32.320 her and like extended prolonged moments of him being a 0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:36.040 total asshole to her. I also missed those moments of 0:23:36.119 --> 0:23:40.479 tension when one after he shuns her from the party, 0:23:40.640 --> 0:23:42.960 Like I felt that in a gut punch in the book, 0:23:43.000 --> 0:23:45.320 and maybe because I already knew what was going to happen, 0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:47.600 I didn't feel the same way in the movie. And 0:23:47.640 --> 0:23:50.400 then those like a weird ride or die moments where 0:23:50.440 --> 0:23:52.320 they're like together and he's talking to her for the 0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:55.080 first time and you're like, oh, it's these two people 0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:58.960 on board. Like in the book, I I kind of 0:23:59.040 --> 0:24:01.360 understood why it was like being writer or did even 0:24:01.359 --> 0:24:04.200 though it was fucked up. I was like, this is weird. 0:24:04.280 --> 0:24:06.240 It's not a love story, but you aren't committed to 0:24:06.280 --> 0:24:08.960 each other, where I think trying to turn it into 0:24:09.000 --> 0:24:15.080 a traditional love story flattened it. Yeah, and you that 0:24:15.119 --> 0:24:17.199 gut punch of that party too, because I feel like, 0:24:17.520 --> 0:24:19.760