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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: So if you go to the Coast to Coast AM

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Speaker 1: Desert Strangeness, slash open lines and we'll slash through some

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Speaker 1: open lines coming up later on, you'll see links to

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Speaker 1: mL Berman's various work, for example, his website, his YouTube channel,

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Speaker 1: and to his book, which, by the way, I like

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Speaker 1: quite a bit. I found it, or maybe you've got well,

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Speaker 1: his nonfiction book. Then he's got fiction books too, which

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Speaker 1: are always fun. But I found Mojave Mysteries on my

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Speaker 1: desk the other night. I was cleaning off my desk

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Speaker 1: and I found it mL and I'd forgotten how much

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Speaker 1: I dog eared it and highlighted different passages and it's

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Speaker 1: such a fun read, and it's a great accompaniment for

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Speaker 1: the show tonight. It's nice to have you back on

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Speaker 1: Coast to Coast. Well, thank you very much, sir. I'm

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Speaker 1: glad to be here. Man, you rock. So mL and

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Speaker 1: I talk all the time, and he sent me these

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Speaker 1: photos before we get to that, I mean, I encourage

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Speaker 1: you to go look at them again. Under tonight Show

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Speaker 1: Desert strangeness. Click onto that the parenthetical link. It just

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Speaker 1: says related images. But before we do that, for people

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Speaker 1: who have missed your previous appearances on Coast to Coast,

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Speaker 1: you have an interesting story to tell in that you

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Speaker 1: didn't set out to do what you've found great success doing.

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Speaker 1: You went to Hollywood, you were going to be a

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Speaker 1: script writer. You did work on different products over the

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Speaker 1: years in Hollywood before you made it back to the desert.

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Speaker 1: Just to explain that transition so people know a little

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Speaker 1: bit more about you, Well, I had come to Hollywood,

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Speaker 1: also work in the art department because I was really

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Speaker 1: into model making and stuff like that. And I got

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Speaker 1: and they were going to shoot some of the episodes

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Speaker 1: out in the desert, out everywhere from Palmdale to Joshua

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Speaker 1: Tree to up into Mojave Preserve, and I started coming

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Speaker 1: out and I just fell in love with the area.

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Speaker 1: The show ended up not going anywhere, but I loved

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Speaker 1: it so much that actually bought a house out here

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Speaker 1: You know, at first, I thought I had made the

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Speaker 1: worst choice of my life, because I'm like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I'm on the far side of the moon out Harry.

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Speaker 1: But then I just after a couple of weeks, I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm home. You know, I just I just loved this

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Speaker 1: hear stories from them. Now, I had always thought that

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Speaker 1: hearing how weird it was and how many people had

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Speaker 1: And people who like that type of fiction should well,

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Speaker 1: But and you can find out more by linking up

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Speaker 1: captivating because the tradition of a bigfoot like you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: that you took? Yeah, okay, so it would there be

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Speaker 1: if they were eating eight squirrels. If a bigfoot were

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Speaker 1: to not require a water supply. Now you're you're asking

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Speaker 1: me like, I'm an expert on this. Well, I don't

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Speaker 1: would be a water source? You? Oh? Yeah, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: the West was pushed through by going water hole to waterhole.

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Speaker 1: animals are no different. We have lots of wild water

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Speaker 1: you're definitely going to need copious amounts of water. Well

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Speaker 1: that's what I so I wanted to establish that because

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Speaker 1: the Mojave. If the hairy brother that lives out in

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Speaker 1: or However, we want to look at this, some sort

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Speaker 1: of creature like that that would leave footprints like the

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Speaker 1: ones that you photographed this week, that we're not even

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Speaker 1: we can just check all the boxes that say yes,

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Speaker 1: true because nothing could survive under those circumstances. We've established

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