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Speaker 1: Scrible advice shops. Hello, Hello, Hellollo, Welcome to the Naughty

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Speaker 1: but Night Show. I'm rub Shooter, your host giving you

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Speaker 1: all the celebrity gossip here from New York City. This

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Speaker 1: is a very special show today. My friend Corey Andrew

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Speaker 1: from Instinct Magazine. He's here. Hello Corey. How are you?

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Speaker 1: They Rob? I am well, great to be here, Good

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Speaker 1: to see you. So Corey works at Instinct Magazine, a gay, lesbian,

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Speaker 1: bisexual focused magazine, and Corey did a profile on me.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much, You're welcomes fine. It was really

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Speaker 1: what surprised you the most? I had to answer questions, Christina,

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Speaker 1: the producer I did Corey interviewed me. It was really

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Speaker 1: weird being on the other end of it. See, well,

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Speaker 1: you know what I thought was the most surprising. It

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Speaker 1: was actually, um that you really are nice. Oh I'm

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Speaker 1: not right, and then don't tell anyone you're really the

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Speaker 1: real deal. What's that I hear? It's the chimes of

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Speaker 1: Big Ben, which means only one thing around here. It

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Speaker 1: means that it's tea time. And so because we have

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Speaker 1: Corey here today, we're doing a special show. This is

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Speaker 1: the most shocking celebrity coming out stories of all time.

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Speaker 1: So l g B t Q visibility, it's increased enormous

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Speaker 1: amount over the past few years, but pushing forward and

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Speaker 1: having celebrities come out is still vitally important, many of

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Speaker 1: which have done. So we've got our top celebrities today

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Speaker 1: just for you. Okay, So Melissa Etherage and now as

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Speaker 1: he's a rock star, of course, she came out during

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Speaker 1: the Triangle Ball and that's significant because it was the

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Speaker 1: how how simple this was. She came out pretty much

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Speaker 1: my life. And a big cheer went up, and then

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Speaker 1: Then George Michael sat down with CNN to talk about

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Speaker 1: talk about my sexual orientation. I felt like I was

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