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Speaker 1: for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. As you

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Speaker 1: watch the OKC Thunder take a three to two lead

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Speaker 1: as they head back to Indy one oh nine. Jalen

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Speaker 1: He wasn't It wasn't terribly efficient, but he got to

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Speaker 1: was the big forty from Jalen Williams that really did

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Speaker 1: They were down, but I so Joe refused to let

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Speaker 1: one twenty to one oh nine. Jayleb Williams had himself

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Speaker 1: a night forty point six rebound. He was three or

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Speaker 1: five from the three point line, the second most points

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Speaker 1: in a finals game in franchise history. For the first

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Speaker 1: time in the playoffs, Indiana will face elimination. Tyrese Halliburton

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Speaker 1: did not have it going tonight. I think they showed

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Speaker 1: a graphic. I couldn't hear the sound, but I think

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Speaker 1: because seemed they were about to get back into this

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Speaker 1: ball game. If I'm not Rick, Carlile madershould have left

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Speaker 2: Guys, Joe, let me start with you first.

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Speaker 1: How was okc able from this tip take control of

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Speaker 2: Man, I thought, okay, see, you know.

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Speaker 1: Did everything they could in Indiana can Pete ball to

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Speaker 1: get a game, and they did so. They reclaimed home

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Speaker 1: quarter advantaghed. I love the big lineup man from the jump.

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Speaker 1: I always ask, man, why did they switch that lineup?

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Speaker 1: Why would he change that lineup? If you look at

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Speaker 1: the first quarter, Hartenstein put his stamp on that first quarter.

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Speaker 2: Yep, his energy, his effort and making.

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Speaker 1: just thought they pretty much opened up the game. But

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Speaker 1: thought they should have put them guys away a lot sooner.

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Speaker 1: But you know, giving credit to Indiana who's fault this

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Speaker 1: they got guys who can close. I like, yeah, look

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Speaker 1: at that Indy. It looked like from the jump the

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Speaker 1: to go back home. Because I don't think they came

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Speaker 1: out with the energy that you look I understand this

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Speaker 2: What didn't you like about what you saw from Indy?

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Speaker 3: Ill I look at the first play on like you

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Speaker 3: feel me like being in the trenches, especially in the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: I looked at the first play the first play they

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Speaker 3: got the ball. Okay, see got the ball in the pocket.

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Speaker 3: Like Joe said Harlstein, they hit hardstyle in the pocket.

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Speaker 3: First play out the game, dump boom boom at the tunk.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: If I'm them on the other end, I'm telling it. Listen, man,

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Speaker 3: first minutes, no dumb motherfucker in there.

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Speaker 2: We we we fired.

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Speaker 3: Were putting them right to the full. But okay, see

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Speaker 3: sat the tone and they can really handle it. I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I agree with you guys, But tonight

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Speaker 1: they needed a little bit more from Haller Burton.

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Speaker 2: They didn't get it them hard. I thought he needed.

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Speaker 1: Look, if you go back and look at it, they

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Speaker 1: But you look at TJ McCallum, You look at guys,

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Speaker 1: they were flying around the floor. They've making it and

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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, it was a two point game.

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Speaker 1: second chance points, they kick it out. Jayleen Williams in

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Speaker 1: what was a two point game? All of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: come hit another three and it's a ten point game,

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Speaker 1: and from that point on the game was over. Look,

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Speaker 1: I understand, and I think everybody's played. Everybody here been

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Speaker 1: we've all played injured, the hurd it, whatever the term

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Speaker 1: because your brain knows that you're hurt. Your body's gonna

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Speaker 1: I thought Halliburton hurt them more than his presence helped them.

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Speaker 2: I could be wrong. What did you guys see?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 3: I think I think I think from like an athlete standpoint,

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Speaker 3: want to transistion this playoffs and playing in a big game,

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Speaker 3: a huge game. You feel me like you throwing in

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Speaker 3: a towel and saying like, Okay, I'm hurt.

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Speaker 2: I ain't gonna play no more.

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Speaker 3: Can rub it off to some players on a team

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Speaker 3: like damn he put on us, Like why wouldn't he?

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Speaker 3: Like we as competitors, No, man, if it ain't broke,

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Speaker 3: this is it.

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Speaker 2: This is it.

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Speaker 1: Guys. I mean, hallam, you can't you can't get it back,

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Speaker 1: Like A said, I didn't think that they came out

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Speaker 1: They like I said, they had got home court advantage back,

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Speaker 1: and they played like they played resilient. They attacked the basket,

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Speaker 1: they put pressure on their defense. They probably had more

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Speaker 1: had in this whole series. Yeah, they turned they defense

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Speaker 1: pretty good offense to where they all kind of got

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Speaker 1: into a rhythm. Then you get Wigans making threes, you

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Speaker 1: get walked. That's the thing they had stopped that. When

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Speaker 1: you got your others playing great, they at home, they

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Speaker 1: feel comfortable, it's a rap.

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Speaker 2: I thought they was gonna blow them out.

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Speaker 1: So I was surprised that Indiana was able to even

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Speaker 1: stay in the ball game. Yeah, I think the thing

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Speaker 1: was look at they had seven turnovers in the first

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Speaker 1: and it look I think the first game kind of

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Speaker 1: gave Indiana false sets because they had twenty five turnovers

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Speaker 1: past Bell. They had nineteen turnovers in that first game

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Speaker 1: in the first half and they ended up winning, and

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Speaker 1: I think they gave them a false sense like, hey,

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Speaker 1: we can turn the ball. No, you can't, because when

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Speaker 1: you turn the ball over against this team, they turn

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Speaker 1: them into points, and they turn them into points abruptly.

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Speaker 1: So and now you look at it, they're right back

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Speaker 1: in this game, and they have like three consecutive turnos

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Speaker 1: back to back to back, and now what was a

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Speaker 1: two or four point game, all of a sudden, it's

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Speaker 1: right back to a thirteen point game. I'm like, guys,

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Speaker 1: you've got to do a better job of They the

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Speaker 1: pacers got to do a better job. You know, they

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Speaker 1: got very active hands. And when they bring Caruso in

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Speaker 1: and they bring that second unit, they get even more active.

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Speaker 1: And Joe were talking about it the first game. We're like,

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Speaker 1: why y'all go to that small lineup? You look at tonight,

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Speaker 1: chant hongred worries of that chant holgred five officive rebounds,

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Speaker 1: I say, Hartenstein six officive rebounds, lou Dort five offensive rebounds.

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Speaker 1: I know, Rick Carlile and draw that bull job up

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Speaker 3: Like obviously we could say, oh no, this team win

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Speaker 3: You know, obviously they've both been at the first time.

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Speaker 3: So we're gonna say, you know, they can mix that

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Speaker 3: if they lose as old.

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Speaker 2: Hey, well if you do get before you go, Joe,

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Speaker 1: There's two days in between, so they don't play again

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Speaker 1: You know, Hey, tonight, tomorrow, Wednesday, Hey, be ready to go,

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Speaker 2: Man, stop playing. Man, We got we got the ball

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Speaker 2: game and the web fellas. Hey, hey, do y'all use

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Speaker 1: In the NBA, is that it's like a Vetinaria's rubbing

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Speaker 2: I don't take medicine. I'm from the Motherland. I don't

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Speaker 1: You rub it on, but it makes your breast belt

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Speaker 1: They had, they used to had that innocen you know

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Speaker 1: got to go through that liver again, he doxifies. So, hey, hey,

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Speaker 2: Boy, you bet tore it off.

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Speaker 1: Well, I know y'all had torn off definitely, Okay that

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Speaker 2: Oh and uh I have seen it. I have seen it.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Look Pete bell Man, it seemed like, uh, Indiana

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Speaker 1: like they couldn't calm down, they couldn't settle themselves down,

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Speaker 2: And they never they never bounced back from that.

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Speaker 1: Yes see See it seems like they wanted Look, they

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Speaker 1: seems like they wanted to play that style, but it

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Speaker 2: I'm like, bro, what are you? What do y'all do?

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Speaker 2: Just settled?

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Speaker 1: Just I wish somebody he said like these this is

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Speaker 1: He was the best man plaining about being in l A.

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Speaker 1: They got him upout it that because he wanted yeah yeah,

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Speaker 2: But I think the thing was, you're right.

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Speaker 1: They they played at a pace that they wanted to

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Speaker 1: kind of like a team that want to, Hey, we

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Speaker 1: come up with a different game plan. I agree, I agree,

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Speaker 1: he'd be down the stretch and when it's time to

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Speaker 1: but I'm gonna get on ballants, I'm gonna make some

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Speaker 1: tough shots. I thought he made some tough shots to Night,

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Speaker 2: To give to get him over the Hart. But I

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Speaker 1: Even though hallen Bergers had flashes, the way he's played great.

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Speaker 1: They get they get to their spots and it's nothing.

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Speaker 2: You can do about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think, like when you look at the game, right,

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Speaker 2: And this if I'm.

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Speaker 3: Indiana, right, and I'm you know, I'm in the front

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Speaker 3: office and I'm the numbers guy, right, I'm looking at

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Speaker 3: this game, Joe, I'm looking at this game like, oh man,

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Speaker 3: we could have won that game.

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Speaker 1: We just shot it back from the three. Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: With the way they played. This is a totally different game.

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Speaker 3: So they're getting on the plane mentally like, oh, that's okay, guys,

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Speaker 1: If I Rick Carlisle, guys, we can't play any worse

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Speaker 1: three quarters, now, we gotta we got our crowd now,

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Speaker 1: we can't just become reliant on our crowd. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to play better, clearly, and I believe we can

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Speaker 1: play better than what we played tonight. But guys, think

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Speaker 1: We're down ten.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's my motivation going into the locker room.

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Speaker 3: That's my motivation. Just like you said, my motivation is

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Speaker 3: if I'm Carlisle. Obviously he was a phenomenal coach rack

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Speaker 2: But if I'm him, that's the message the guys. We

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Speaker 3: Guys, we turned over the ball, protect the ball. Hit

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Speaker 3: We're gonna make shots, stay in it and real stuffle,

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Speaker 3: real easy. Because you don't want to put too much

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Speaker 3: pressure on that limitade game. You don't get people kind

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Speaker 3: of thinking. Second thing, oh no, I got okay. See

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Speaker 3: oh man, I got okay out.

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Speaker 2: Third, yeah, I got him closing out.

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Speaker 1: Man, Listen, if if if Hallenburg gonna come out and

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Speaker 1: give you what he gave you tonight, I don't see

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Speaker 1: how he can be much better in Indiana. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if he heard he hurt, I think I think, okayc

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Speaker 2: Him out and gonna win this series. Man.

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Speaker 1: Uh you just I mean you, you are playing you

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Speaker 1: felt with that big lineup that okay Se has Hartenstein

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Speaker 1: but I thought he played well enough for him to win.

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Speaker 1: I just feel like, okay See is a better team.

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Speaker 1: And I've been saying and now he's had some bumps

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Speaker 2: But I think the run is over, guys, It's over.

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Speaker 4: With no no, the Thunder had twelve blocks.

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Speaker 1: Think about it. It's gonna be hard for you to

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Speaker 1: two times and you have twelve blocks. Let that think it.

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Speaker 1: You turned them over twenty two times, you had twelve blocks,

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Speaker 1: you had fifteen steals.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gone.

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Speaker 1: Hey, so I think you know, yeah, we shot the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I met him in uncomfortable situations, bro, And

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Speaker 1: then I think I think for them heart like and

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Speaker 3: But for heart is gonna be tough for him to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the load he has with shape, right, you can

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Speaker 3: You can see it because we've seen him in the

434
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Speaker 3: past series play extremely well. Now now we see him

435
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Speaker 3: catching the ball not even been taking spot up three,

436
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Speaker 3: So like you can see that match up with him.

437
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Speaker 2: That's a that's a tough cover, you know, to take

438
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Speaker 2: your legs from under.

439
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Speaker 1: You a p bell, you man, listen, you know when

440
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Speaker 1: you in somebody's back pockets all night like them hard

441
00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,959
Speaker 1: is with shade, It's tough, bro, you gotta find somewhere

442
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Speaker 1: to risks.

443
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna.

444
00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,720
Speaker 1: Offense. He got a wrists on offense sitting that corner.

445
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Speaker 1: Yet that car on that corner. It's so hard. Hey, hey,

446
00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:57,200
Speaker 1: you sleep with your ass up. Shape puts so much

447
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Speaker 1: pressure on pressure.

448
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Speaker 2: Bro.

449
00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:03,639
Speaker 1: He look into attack and every turn he let you

450
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Speaker 1: rest absolutely. And and now he and Jay Williams they've

451
00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,600
Speaker 1: got done. You know what, Hey, we're gonna play pick

452
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Speaker 1: and roll. Just us two gonna play pick and roll

453
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Speaker 1: because Ni Smilk got one and Jake and n Memhar

454
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Speaker 1: got double.

455
00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:17,840
Speaker 2: So we'll just played pick and roll with y'all two.

456
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Speaker 3: And you know, we're saying, we've seen people talk about

457
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:21,720
Speaker 3: this too, and you see a lot of people have

458
00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,480
Speaker 3: been talking about how the game has changed and how

459
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:29,320
Speaker 3: you need a team concept, right, and Joe, you know personally, Hey,

460
00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,040
Speaker 3: that play ain't nothing but your two main players getting

461
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Speaker 3: the ball.

462
00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,399
Speaker 2: Everybody else slat that is. That's that's that's too flat.

463
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Speaker 2: That's all that is.

464
00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,280
Speaker 1: So regardless of hot teams play, what pace they played with,

465
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Speaker 1: what defense they go to.

466
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Speaker 3: No, your best players win games. You go get him

467
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Speaker 3: with the ball. We go get him with the ball.

468
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Speaker 3: We're gonna get him in the spot. We gonna get

469
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Speaker 3: him in the spot. And we're gonna put the cards

470
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Speaker 3: in their hands.

471
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Speaker 1: And you know what, Shae says, I'm won, Jaylen Williams says,

472
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Speaker 1: I to everybody else, might be he might be the

473
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Speaker 1: m v P if we if he get it, it

474
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Speaker 1: was today, Phil was today MVP.

475
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

476
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Speaker 1: But here's the thing, though, Pat Bell, he just he

477
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,520
Speaker 1: just tied Michael Jordans for the most thirty four playoff

478
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Speaker 1: game in a in a s he jordan'laju wan in

479
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,960
Speaker 1: a playoff run. So he got a chance. He might

480
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,560
Speaker 1: have two chances to get seventeen. He ain't moving that.

481
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Speaker 1: He averaging thirty. That's what I'm trying to say. He

482
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Speaker 1: might be the m v P h he might get

483
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Speaker 1: finals MVP. Who you saying averaging thirty. You're talking about.

484
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Speaker 2: Averaging thirty. He average thirty two games.

485
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he gonna He's gonna get a A P Bell,

486
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,440
Speaker 1: he gonna get that because he's gonna fire off about

487
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:43,960
Speaker 1: that game. I'm trying to say, hold on now, no

488
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,479
Speaker 1: he balling. He don't you imagine the NB. Hold on,

489
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 1: Pat Bell, think about what you're saying. The guy that

490
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Speaker 1: won m v P in the regular season didn't win

491
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Speaker 1: finals MVP man and.

492
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,640
Speaker 2: The team won. Can you imagine that happened? I care? Hey,

493
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Speaker 2: corn Brand did that?

494
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Speaker 1: Boy?

495
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Speaker 2: He played with no but Bird did win the MVP.

496
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Speaker 1: He finished He finished third that year, He finished second

497
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Speaker 1: that year Bird wanted. Bird won the MVP eighty four,

498
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Speaker 1: eighty five, eighty six. He was the last to win

499
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Speaker 1: the three consection three consecutive times. Corn Bread wanted. That

500
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Speaker 1: was Bird's second year, Okay, if he was, if he

501
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Speaker 1: was to get it, would y'all be like, wol y'all

502
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Speaker 1: be like, oh, they'll be shocked. Depending on what the

503
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Speaker 1: froze out game is. We just the prisoner of the

504
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Speaker 1: moment right now, because he had a hell of a

505
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Speaker 1: game to night. But the depending on if he can

506
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Speaker 1: follow this up with another with the thirty five or

507
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Speaker 1: another forty people had he just had a thirty Dolly take.

508
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Speaker 2: You finished like Shane didn't.

509
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Speaker 1: No, no, no, I know he did, but it's just

510
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 1: like you pointed out, he just got affiching with it

511
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,919
Speaker 1: Jack from fourteen to twenty five to night.

512
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Speaker 2: That's all that. Shaye has thrown caution to.

513
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Speaker 1: The win with efficiency because he knows I'm gonna draw

514
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Speaker 1: the contact, I'm gonna get to the free throw line,

515
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,680
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna make up. I'm go like you look

516
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Speaker 1: at nine or twenty one, like, well damn, but you

517
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,679
Speaker 1: look at thirteen or fourteen, you look at level of twelve,

518
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Speaker 1: you look at fourteen of fifteen from the fire line.

519
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 2: So he's not efficient like he was in.

520
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 1: The regular season, where he shot over fifty percent from

521
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: the floor in average thirty two. But he's like, I

522
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 1: will get my shots up. If what two things gonna happen,

523
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 1: They're gonna go in or you're gonna file me. But

524
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get points one way a number?

525
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 2: So does does in y'all mind?

526
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 3: As as athletes who watch the game, that's the Does

527
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 3: the plus minus matter in this situation where you talk

528
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Speaker 3: about two guys who who can you know be close

529
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Speaker 3: to getting that award? Does plus minus matter? Because if

530
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Speaker 3: it does, J Dove wins the plus minus an adult.

531
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Speaker 3: That's all I'm saying. I'm just saying, when we looked

532
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 3: at games that was, that was, that was Jay Doug

533
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Speaker 3: put that team on.

534
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Speaker 2: His back in Indiana. Game Fourty put that game on

535
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Speaker 2: his back in Indiana. I agree. I agree. That's all

536
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Speaker 2: I'm saying.

537
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Speaker 1: Like, and then to follow that back at home, they

538
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Speaker 1: was giving a ball to him and say was running

539
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Speaker 1: to the corner.

540
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Speaker 2: So I'm just saying, I agree to get another forty

541
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Speaker 2: point game.

542
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Speaker 1: It has happened in twenty fifteen step with the MVP

543
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Speaker 1: Iggy one Finals MVP. Yeah, yeah, you're right, And I

544
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,360
Speaker 1: don't think Iggan numbers were no one in there close. Boy,

545
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: that wasn't you closed? That's what I'm saying. Hey, they

546
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 1: they gave they gave that man m v P for

547
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: holding Lebron to thirty five fourteen right, fourteen to nine?

548
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 2: For real? I just think I think the thing is

549
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:22,880
Speaker 2: and Jayleen Williams is playing unbelievable.

550
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Speaker 1: Uh. I think if he do a contract soon or

551
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 1: he just signed an extension. I think he just signed one.

552
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 1: I think he might have just signed one too, maybe

553
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 1: last year. Yeah, but shy about to get fired, shy

554
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 1: about to do that four for uh for two ninety four?

555
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 3: About that Jo, I think Jajob is still on his

556
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 3: tough first I think he's up after after one more year,

557
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 3: because he he's.

558
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Speaker 1: Still oh he's still in his first contract. Yeah, oh

559
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: j hey hey j F J said, Hey, y'all need

560
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,360
Speaker 1: to break this off. Go ahead and break this off. Shae,

561
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 1: you're gonna get your phone for two ninety four. Hey,

562
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Speaker 1: y'all come see you boy, I got fied. Give me

563
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Speaker 1: give me five for two fifteen. Hey, listen, hey, when

564
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: you win, everybody win, you know. Yeah, it's heid so

565
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: and you know what, because here's the thing. You know,

566
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: Aerry Pat Bell, you've been around the locker rooms. You know,

567
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: the thing that a Blenker team up quicker than anything

568
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 1: is egos. Yeah, man, man, if I was somewhere else

569
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 1: and getting shots and YadA, YadA, YadA, I could be

570
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: I could be an MVP, or I could be a

571
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 1: first team All the NBA selection. Bro, y'all got a

572
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: great thing. You got a guy who's twenty six, and

573
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 1: you got another guy that's twenty four. Y'all can ay,

574
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 1: y'all can run this thing for? It was kind of

575
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 1: like Kareem. It was like, even though Kareem was much

576
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Speaker 1: older than Magic. Yeah, because you gotta realize Kareem was

577
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Speaker 1: the MVP Magic's rookie year.

578
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 2: Magic.

579
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Speaker 1: Even though Magic was finals MVP the first year and

580
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: he wanted again in his third year, he still deferred

581
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: to Kareem because he understood, I'm better with Kareem than without,

582
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: And sometimes players don't realize they're better together than without. Okay,

583
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,360
Speaker 1: So what, Yeah, you might be a first team All

584
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 1: the NBA selection. You might average twenty five to twenty

585
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 1: eight points a game, but with no chance of winning

586
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: a championship, would you rubber average twenty one to twenty

587
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: two and win championships?

588
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 2: Have opposed to twenty eight thirty and don't win it

589
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 2: at all people.

590
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think like the way okay See

591
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 3: has done and you gotta give a lot of credits

592
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 3: out to Sam Presty and oh everybody over there.

593
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 2: They've been holding it down for decades, right.

594
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 4: Uh.

595
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 3: The way they lined it up, they could literally pay

596
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 3: each guy at separate times, you know.

597
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 2: Like so like the way they lined it up is.

598
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 3: It wouldn't be harmed to to anybody that's affecting you know,

599
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 3: them getting more money resulting on how they play the

600
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 3: game of basketball. So like that's the good thing about it.

601
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 3: My my, my next thing about it, Like if that's

602
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:48,360
Speaker 3: your core, right, all those other pieces around that, that's

603
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 3: all interchangeable, you can go find that plug that in.

604
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 3: Like you've seen how success looks, so you can you

605
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 3: can run with that until you know, man, you can

606
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 3: you talk about a dynasty team, you know, like you talk.

607
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 2: Check be coming up soon too, Hey, listen.

608
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: I think I think Check is probably one of the

609
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:09,479
Speaker 1: most important pieces because throughout this postseason he's he's had

610
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: some growing pains and he's been able to learn through

611
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: playing and what you with him having Shye and Williams.

612
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: With them both being in kind of reform and understanding,

613
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: you know, what's expected of them and delivering night in

614
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: and night out.

615
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 2: He's been able to kind of get by.

616
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: With subpar, you know, performances from time, but you know,

617
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: once he developed some consistency to where he kind of

618
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 1: knows who he is as a player and he knows

619
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 1: how to be consistent on a night to night basis,

620
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: that's gonna make them even more deadly.

621
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Speaker 2: So I agree with you, guys.

622
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: I think if they able to keep them three together

623
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: and and Check continues to grow until the player who

624
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 1: we ultimately think he can be, which is a you know,

625
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 1: an all star caliber guy. Man, they gonna they can run.

626
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 1: They can run the Western confience. They can run the

627
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 1: NBA for quite some time. He should need these some

628
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: of them Oklahoma stakes out there. And one of the

629
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: things that y'all understand too, like they okay, see he's

630
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: been down the shrug.

631
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 3: They made a mistake, right, They've had the same the

632
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 3: same drink that just that just didn't cut. It didn't

633
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 3: get to where it's supposed to. So like instead of

634
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 3: letting that James Harden go, no, we're paying him now, right, Yeah,

635
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 3: you know that James Harden may be chet in his

636
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 3: position or or or or Jay Dubb Right, No, you've seen.

637
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 2: How I go. We let them go. We let them

638
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,239
Speaker 2: do they thing. We're gonna make the five million at

639
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 2: work this time.

640
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: J dub joins the lead company after putting up forty

641
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: points in the game, five only players with eighteen points

642
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: in the paint and three threes in the finals game

643
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: since nineteen ninety eight.

644
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant J dub lebron James.

645
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: Hey, man, he's he like Pete Bell said, he has

646
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: been sensation of these past two games. And he and

647
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: you're right, Pete Bell if in Indiana's game and what

648
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: was that game for? He cared even I've seen Shae.

649
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: He was dead dog time.

650
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 2: Shae was like this ain't gonna get that link. I'm

651
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 2: going up the court. You gonna you know what I mean? Hey,

652
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 2: And he didn't disappoint.

653
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: He got to his spots, he got in the paint,

654
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: he made plays, He put pressure on the defense, and

655
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: he carried them for at least two to three quarters,

656
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: especially down the stretch. So I ain't got no no,

657
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: no drawback on Pete Ball with that, he he is

658
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: a hell of a player, and he and he is

659
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: an elite company, you know, with what he's done in

660
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: the past two games. And plus he giving it to

661
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: you on both ends because he ate he got a Hey,

662
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: he takes a tough defensive assignment and still got it.

663
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: And we saw House impacting them hard, having to deal

664
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: with shape. Yeah, so j Dubbins taking a tough defensive

665
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: assignment a lot of times and he still knows. He's

666
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: got to give you his twenty plus. Tonight, he doubled

667
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: you up. He gave you twenty. He gave you forty piece. Hey,

668
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: Pete Bell, Hey look Pete Ball. Oh you look at Shane.

669
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: He had ten dimes a night. He had two stills

670
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: and he had four blocks. He played on both fends too. Yeah,

671
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: out here trying to get to Baja, get to the

672
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: U classes and get by his man and make plays.

673
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: That man out there sitting in that chair or he's

674
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: some people by all know about sitting in that chair.

675
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: He's sitting in that chair. He's making plays on defense

676
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: as well. But Joe, you remember we talked about it.

677
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: In game four, he had thirty five with zero on sis.

678
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: It was the first time since jail. I think Jared

679
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: West had thirty five four. He like, I ain't getting

680
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: nobody involved, Get your damn FIfF involved. I'm getting buckets.

681
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 2: I am. I paid imped in the chamber and when

682
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 2: the gun runs out, I'm throwing it that.

683
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: But I made it all. I made it, I lit it.

684
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: I'm not leaving anythad right anything.

685
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 2: I say.

686
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, we see how size like Joe obviously you know

687
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: you've been a player that you know like you haven't

688
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: been you know, the fastest or this, that that, But

689
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: you see truly like size matters. Yeahs saze really matters.

690
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: I don't you know you've got the heart of a champion.

691
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: You can you know, man, I thought for two games

692
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: I was locking up Kevin Durant that he gave fifty.

693
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 2: I just I couldn't block the side. I was just you.

694
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 2: I promised.

695
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: I was trying my ass. I ain't gonna lie to it.

696
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: But you're good cause you fighting them to get to

697
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: his spot. Pete ball, you know what I mean, Like

698
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna get nothing comfortable. You're gonna make it the

699
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: entire game. Now when he go up to shoot that

700
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: tall man jumps, I ain't gonna be nothing you can do.

701
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: You do your work early, right, and that's all they doing.

702
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: That's all they doing.

703
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 3: They got them And I like the adjustment to coaches made.

704
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 3: They instead of putting the ball in his hand, they

705
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 3: putting the ball and jake up. They hitting them right

706
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 3: there at the elbow. You know about that sweet elbow, Joe.

707
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 3: You can't double can you see the whole flow? You

708
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 3: can't double team you not by the three. You don't

709
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 3: have a lot of dripple.

710
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 2: You can catch it off the jab.

711
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: You can get them off me with a foul. So

712
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: like they putting them in a great position to be successful.

713
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: Hey hey, hey, oh Pete Bell. Peter Paul said, try

714
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: it all baby. Hey they out there. I like when

715
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: they throw the ball the Hardenstein a check and they

716
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: do their little cut game action and they that's hard

717
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: to guard. Man, that is hard to guard because once

718
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: you come to shade with a drip of handoff, now

719
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: he got a live drib but he got to catch

720
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: a shoot.

721
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 2: Now he can manipulate the defense.

722
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,479
Speaker 1: However, the way he won, and I felt with them

723
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: playing like that, especially in that first quarter, it got

724
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: so many people involved in the game that you know,

725
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: they was able to kind of blow the thing open.

726
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: And you know, I just thought Indiana with their resiliency,

727
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: you know, they were able to fight back in the game.

728
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: They look, you can have Indiana down by twenty one

729
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: six sco they picking you. They turned around right in

730
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: your mug. They ready, you know what I mean. So

731
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: we're gonna give him a lot of credit because I

732
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: had been counting to mind, I ain't gonna lie to you.

733
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 2: They showed me.

734
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: They showed me a lot of heart. You know, throughout

735
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: this whole postseason. J Doub keep it real. After the

736
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: game he had a forty piece. He said, sorry, I'm tired,

737
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: to be honest, I can imagine cause you know, hey,

738
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: he's taking responsibility.

739
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 2: I mean, he's trying to pick up He's tried to defend.

740
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: What was what was his stat tonight?

741
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: He had forty six rebounds, four sisters steal, only had

742
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: one turnover, had four personal file.

743
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: So that lets me he evenvolved. That lets me know

744
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 2: he a he tried on defense. When guys get that's

745
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 2: why you see a p ball and I just look

746
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 2: at it. Man, if this guy, if this guy's on

747
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 2: the court, we up fourteen points.

748
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 3: I look at it like that. Then I look at

749
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 3: the last game he's on the court. We plus eleven points.

750
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 3: I have to play this guy is the reason why

751
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 3: he always plus. Oh yeah, let's talk about this trade.

752
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 3: The Memphis Grizzly sit Deathmond Bane to the Orlando Magic

753
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 3: for KCP Kentavious call, Will Pope, Cole Anthony four one two, three,

754
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 3: four unprotected first round picks and the pickswarp hold on.

755
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 3: I don't think y'all hurt from p B. Bell because

756
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 3: I ain't get the reaction that I thought I was

757
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 3: gonna get from you. One two, three, four unprotected first

758
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 3: round picks and a pick swark.

759
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean when you do something like that, let me,

760
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 2: are you blowing it up? Are you? Are you gonna

761
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: get rid of job? Are you gonna get rid of

762
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 2: a triple j I'll be what's going on? What's going on? Joe? Man?

763
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 2: That's what it looked like. I'm like, Man, they gave

764
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 2: up a lot, you know, to uh put Desmond Bane. Yeah,

765
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:16,919
Speaker 2: they gave up a life from Desmond Bane.

766
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: Man.

767
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 2: But man, I don't know what mythics got going on

768
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 2: over there. I don't know what they plan on doing.

769
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: Uh, maybe they will get rid of Joe and JJ.

770
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: But I'm like, why if you do that, then what

771
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 1: you're banking on? What you I mean, what's gonna be

772
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 1: your drawn?

773
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? If you get rid of that.

774
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 3: I look at it like this, right, I look at

775
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 3: it like this, right. If I'm GM, I'm looking at

776
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 3: it like if I wanted to start a team. Right, obviously,

777
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 3: I'm gonna pick the guy that I want to start

778
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 3: the team with. I'm a pick a five man. But

779
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 3: if there's anybody else that you need as like a shooter,

780
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 3: a glue guy, a guy that can just get you

781
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 3: points from from nowhere, I honestly think he's an upgrade

782
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 3: from Cobley Pope if we've been if we've been honest,

783
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 3: he's done it in the regular season. He's done it

784
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 3: on the eyes, you know, upgrade over KC.

785
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think for sure, right right?

786
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: And I think Memphis all also needed a a guard

787
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: who can bring up the ball, you know, who can

788
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: go get his own bucket. I like that, and co

789
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: Anthic it also needed some some some some some locker

790
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 1: room presss.

791
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 2: I like that from k C. P Right. I don't

792
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 2: like the picks, right, but we it's been so up

793
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 2: and down in the NBA.

794
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: Luca Donsons gets up one first round, a guy gets

795
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:37,720
Speaker 1: three first rounds.

796
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 2: So you just don't know the scale of of of

797
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 2: how they negotiate with the picks.

798
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: Like we just don't you see Rudy Gobert go for

799
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: four first round picks, right, So we just don't know.

800
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 2: Go ahead, man, go ahead.

801
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just hard for us to know like what's

802
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 3: actually been saying in those conversations. So like we can

803
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 3: look at it like, man, what the hell, what's wrong

804
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 3: with y'all? How y'all giving up that much right to

805
00:35:59,120 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 3: the naked eye.

806
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: But I don't know. They might have been the deals

807
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 2: and placed before.

808
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: We don't know if it's you know, it's it's so

809
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: much with this business that you really, you know, you

810
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: don't know everything. But I thought Scotty Pippen Jr. Played

811
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,919
Speaker 1: well for Memphis last year when when Joab was down.

812
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: I thought he played well. P Ball, Yeah, I think

813
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 1: I think I think you keep him and you get cold. Also, right,

814
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 1: I don't think again as many as play but Ball

815
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: Henderson playmakers you can have, you know, I think that's

816
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: that's a good that's a good. Look, I think Lukenard.

817
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: Lukenard is up for contract. I think he's free agent, right, So,

818
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's an open position. That's you know,

819
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: just telling you they might not want to bring Luke

820
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: Canard back.

821
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 2: So, you know, I think I like it with the.

822
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 3: Presidence, with KCP and Winner, who's done it before, someone

823
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,959
Speaker 3: that could be in Joe, I like Jared Jackson, JJ

824
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 3: and Josh still together, you know.

825
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 2: So it was just I like eating you know what

826
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 2: I'm saying. We just have to see how I go. Now. Yeah, I.

827
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: Mean I'm looking at this, I'm like, what message. I

828
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: don't think they got better. I don't I don't think

829
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: they got better with this trade. I don't think Memphis

830
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: they're still night seedy. They for the play in the

831
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: move they made today, they're still in the play in.

832
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, you don't look at them and.

833
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 1: Says, okay with this move right here now, they're top five,

834
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: their top five, top four seeds. I don't look at

835
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: it like that. You think their top four, top five

836
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: seed right now? People, Now you gotta think this is

837
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: the same team that that fire Taylor Jenkins. So you know,

838
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: you gotta come in and thinking that sometimes maybe they don't.

839
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: They don't think them right way at all, you know

840
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.

841
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 3: So you gotta understand, like, oh, man, this is the

842
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 3: same organization that fired a phenomenal coach.

843
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 1: You feel why they've been in the headlines for John

844
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: Moran and this this, They've been in the headlines more

845
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 1: than the Hollywood team. You know, the members was that

846
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: I was, I.

847
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 2: Mean, yeah, matter of fact, you was on the team. Yeah,

848
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 2: you with that too, I said. I checked them and say,

849
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 2: UNKI will you I'm cool. I'm like, yeah, I said,

850
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 2: you say, hey, you say hey, let that go? Man,

851
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 2: let it go.

852
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: Man. They on some bullgye, them young boys, they like that,

853
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: let it go, Let it go. So like they've been

854
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: in the news more than than than the Hollywood team.

855
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,959
Speaker 1: So like you know, you you always have to question

856
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: any move.

857
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 2: They make going for Hey, would you see them trading

858
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 2: John in triple J? Man, I can't see that. I

859
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 2: know that.

860
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 1: I know the rumor has been spreading around. But man,

861
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: John is star power, He's box office. I think I

862
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 1: think a lot. I think they lean. I think you should.

863
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: They put more pressure on him to be elite, to

864
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: be one of the top guys in this league and JJ, like,

865
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 1: you got two great pieces who work together. I don't

866
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: know why you would trade that and and what you

867
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: would get back for you know what I mean, that

868
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: would be comfortable to what you know they give. So

869
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: I don't see I don't see them trading him. I

870
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: think they looking for John to take that next step

871
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,959
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, b B be elite in this league,

872
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: be one of the top of league guards man, That's

873
00:38:58,640 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 1: how they're gonna be able to contend.

874
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 2: I think.

875
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: Josh, he just can't stay he gotta stay healthy, old Joe.

876
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: I think that's why they got them mother Guards. That's

877
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,720
Speaker 1: why you bring in Cole Anthony. You keep Scotty pipping

878
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: because of his injury history, but if you didn't keep

879
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: him healthy, I think, oh, he's phenomenal. Yeah, yeah, he's

880
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: he's phenomenal. And besides, I mean you get rid of him.

881
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: Who Look, they're a very few big man that team

882
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: that that people ever have ever come to see. So

883
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: you they come to see small, they come to see guards,

884
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: They come to see Lebron's and Kevin Durants. They come

885
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 1: to see Steph Curry's and James Harden and guys like

886
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 1: that may look Triple J is phenomenal, but they people

887
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: ain't gonna be lined up to see Triple J and Zachiety.

888
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

889
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: Hey, you know this is a star driven league, bro,

890
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He got commercials, this, that,

891
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: and the third like he got you.

892
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 2: He got his own culture too.

893
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 1: I wanna take that next step, man. You know, here

894
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: a little bit more discipline than the things that he's

895
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: doing off the court. You know, hold himself accountable, and

896
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: you know, come in and help get that franchise, you know,

897
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 1: back to they winning ways. Yeah, because he he the

898
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: chief for the Oh yeah, all the ms love they

899
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 1: love him to death. Yeah, him and the young boy

900
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,959
Speaker 1: they love, they love him to the most. Yeah, so wrong.

901
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,720
Speaker 1: He just got to stay healthy. Like you said, Hey,

902
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 1: hey see see what they feel like it's bad for

903
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: the public eye. Like like Pete Ball said, these hys

904
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: they loving it, you know, love it. They love it.

905
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: They love it. They love to see man like that.

906
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: But here's the thing, bro, do you understand how much

907
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: money you cast yourself? I mean, you make your big buddy, Hey,

908
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: you get suspended for twenty games. Hey, hey, Pete ba back,

909
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: come on down twenty game. That's probably three that's two

910
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: three billion dollars four million.

911
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 2: Yea, I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you who

912
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 2: Mad James Jackson Jr. Mad oh bacause Oh yeah, he

913
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 2: calls himself a hundred meal. You know what they say

914
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 2: all the NBA they're.

915
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: Talking about, they talking about, they talking about your homie

916
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: cost them all that money, Lebron James?

917
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 2: How they say Lebron Lebron.

918
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: If Lebron don't get that position, they say, that's some

919
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: sort of JJJ spat and he get that three fifty.

920
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: But but but here's the thing. Did anybody think Triple

921
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: J I play Lebron this year?

922
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 2: No? Not even close, not even close.

923
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: But I'm thinking, like, damn, they gonna gave it to

924
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: Lebron for twenty years at least get me.

925
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 4: You know.

926
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 2: So I see it both ways. And the thing is

927
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 2: is that you can't win. They said, okay, we want this.

928
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: Okay, now you got a writers that's gonna decide how

929
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: much money you actually made. Why team second team thirteen

930
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: first or second team All NBA MVP.

931
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 2: You're right, a little game. Now, that's a cool game

932
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 2: for me.

933
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 1: Man. It used to be the players voted, but they say, man,

934
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: y'all got favorite Tillers, You got your playoffs, X, Y,

935
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: and Z.

936
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 2: So they say, you know what, let's turn it over

937
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 2: to the riters. They turn it over to the riters.

938
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: Bro, you ain't gonna somebody gonna be disappointed because the

939
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: season that will average fifty and twenty five. He didn't

940
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: win the MVP. So up until nineteen eighty, players voted

941
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: for the MVP. Yeah, they said, nah, man, man, y'all

942
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 1: be buddy buddy. Y'all be hanging out the All Star Game,

943
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,919
Speaker 1: y'all cool, So you vote for your buddy. Okay, they said,

944
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: let'll tell you what. We're gonna take it out now.

945
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 1: The writers got it not what you want to do.

946
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,479
Speaker 1: Somebody gotta vote. Somebody got to win the MVPP BAP,

947
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: Somebody gotta be first second team All NBA, somebody got

948
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: to be first to second team All Deficive. So and

949
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: gotta win these awards. So what's the way that you

950
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 1: got You guys played in the league. How would you

951
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:55,240
Speaker 1: like to see that handle? I like, I like Aman

952
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: handled and I think that once once you kind of

953
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: understanding the older, you get that basketball is his huge business.

954
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 3: And part of basketball being in business this is it's

955
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 3: partly entertaining also, right, it's entertainment. It's fans being entertained

956
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 3: by guys shooting threes, guys and you know, doing call

957
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 3: pacey dunks. So once I kind of found that out

958
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 3: and I used to steal stuff, I'm like, hey, okay, cool,

959
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 3: I see Tony Alla throwing up first thing.

960
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 2: Okay cool.

961
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 3: Anytime I get a big stop, I'm gonna throw a

962
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 3: first sin right right now. That'll triggered people to be like,

963
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 3: oh yeah, he's first seen. Then you look at media

964
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 3: has to go with it, right, So I get to

965
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 3: playing a game now, I don't.

966
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 2: I'm not.

967
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: I haven't been at the luxury to you know, see

968
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty million or get voted in dB.

969
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 3: I haven't been in that luxury, but I know the

970
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 3: small things I did. So ain't no telling what guys

971
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 3: out here doing. My guys probably sending wine bottles, all

972
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 3: types of stuff out.

973
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 2: There but here.

974
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 1: But before you go, Joe, is that if Memphis, if

975
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: John take care of it. Now they're on television more

976
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: and now people see them more. Good call Lebron's you

977
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: the Lakers. They got forty forty two forty three televised games.

978
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: So you go see Lebron, you go see Lucas, you

979
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: go see Jason Tatum. You're gonna see a lot of

980
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: these guys. But in Memphis it's contingent. So with John's

981
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: there and they're playing well, Memphis. We used to see

982
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: Memphis and we see y'all be a second team. We

983
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: see j Triple J be on all NBA selections. But

984
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: when you're out of sight, look all the guys so bad.

985
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: Look I'm I'm following the team. A lot of these

986
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: people are beat riders. Everybody's not in there all these games.

987
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: Everybody ain't watching everybody play. It's not like the NBA.

988
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: I mean, excuse me, NFL, all the games come on Sunday.

989
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 1: You got some playing playing Wednesday, they got some team playing, Tuesday,

990
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: got some team Thursday, got pride. So I can't, Hey,

991
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: I can't keep up with everything. People help, right, Hey, listen.

992
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: I think with Jan Jackson JUNR he bell for me.

993
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: It's like he hanged his hat so much on offense nowadays,

994
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: and I think he needed to go back to being

995
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: that meand defensive prisons. I don't know if he can

996
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: lead the league in blocks anymore with winby being in

997
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: the NBA. But he winted that no he win that

998
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: ain't nobody wouldn't nobody. Ain't nobody fit the winning the

999
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: block title with with you know, but he gotta he

1000
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: gotta hang his hat on defense. You know, his offensive

1001
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: game will come, you know, if he if he let

1002
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: his defense fuelss offense versus just standing out there at

1003
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: the three point line, you know, shooting a lot of threes.

1004
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 2: I know he got a nice little bad.

1005
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: You know with him offensively, but they need his defensive

1006
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: prisons for them to be effective in that in that

1007
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: wild wild West.

1008
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 2: Hey, he said that.

1009
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 3: So so we played them, We played them in the

1010
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 3: playoff when I was in Minnesota and and and he

1011
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 3: was in the next year, he wanted to kind of

1012
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 3: work on his offense. And his switch was, Okay, if

1013
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 3: I focus all on my defense, I'm gonna end up

1014
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 3: in foul trouble a lot. He led the league's he

1015
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 3: led the league in files also the yere So his

1016
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 3: thing was like, I'm gonna balance it out. I'm gonna

1017
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 3: go a little bit more offense, just you know, I

1018
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 3: ain't gonna put all my energy on defense. I'm gonna

1019
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 3: put a little bit more off of my energy on

1020
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 3: offense to kind of balance it out, because when he

1021
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 3: was all defense, he was fed found out every game.

1022
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: But the problem, the problem is he's gonna have is

1023
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: that they've made the all the NBA team positionless. So

1024
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: now you might have five, six, seven, eight, ten, fourth

1025
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: of fords or threes or guards. So it's not like

1026
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: we gotta have a five, a four or three or

1027
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: two of a one. So because you look at the

1028
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: second team, I mean you look at all I mean,

1029
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: like damn, and so now you really ain't half.

1030
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,439
Speaker 2: But Yoki was the only center.

1031
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there was no Joel Ebid because you know,

1032
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: when Joelanbid come back healthy, he getting one of them

1033
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: spots and he ain't never gonna play enough games and

1034
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: getting no spot on that's where you might be right,

1035
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: you gotta play sixty five. It's on a lot of people.

1036
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1037
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's why I'm saying for me, it's like

1038
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: I feel like it's kind of you know, it's kind

1039
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: of easy for him to crack in that because this

1040
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: is a lot of these top guys, they're not gonna

1041
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: play enough games even be qualified for.

1042
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 2: Any of these awards, you know what I mean.

1043
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: So if he can keep himself healthy, I say, a

1044
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: solid twenty two to twenty three game with about twelve rebounds,

1045
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of blocks, man, they'll put you

1046
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: right there. Third, Hey, a be a nineteen eleven guy

1047
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: with three blocks, with two and a half blocks, that's

1048
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: the best you can do. Because if you put twenty

1049
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 1: points twenty two points a game, that takes too much

1050
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: away from his defense. Oh, you just gave away bangs?

1051
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: How much bangs average? He averaged twenty something.

1052
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 2: Right, your bangs average bout nineteen twenty KCP and and

1053
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 2: and uh.

1054
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 1: The mother guys come hold after they hold that, they're

1055
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: not gonna they're not gonna be putting up points like that.

1056
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 2: Now, they're gonna have some games where they gonna be

1057
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 2: lights out.

1058
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: But for the most part, I'm saying, to be consistent,

1059
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: you know, he has to be consistent on a night

1060
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: to night basis. That's basically what they're gonna be looking at. Hey, Hey,

1061
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: you gotta get tighten them hand those up p ball.

1062
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: You gotta be able to put that thing on the play,

1063
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:52,919
Speaker 1: get to that spot.

1064
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,439
Speaker 2: You better get his ass to the block left block

1065
00:47:55,560 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 2: right block, don't put Hey, look how many bigs we

1066
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 2: got in the league. Who can chat? Who ain't really none?

1067
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 2: Looking about four five up?

1068
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: When you talking, when you talk about true, I'm talking

1069
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: about like a Yo kicch and an embiid. I mean

1070
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: theoretically they listen, Gianni says a big and Lebron and

1071
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: j T and all that.

1072
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 2: But Evan Mobley, Jared Allen.

1073
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: But when you really look at talking about like big

1074
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: bigs that play big, that mean triple J right now.

1075
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 2: A D yeah, now a D healthy? Hey with a

1076
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 2: D healthy.

1077
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 1: So you got Jokic, you got Embid, you got a D,

1078
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: you got a Yannis.

1079
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 2: So that's four.

1080
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: That's four fours, right, the four of the fives. You

1081
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: could take Na's main first hay in the last eight years.

1082
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 2: You go ahead, take him off that. He's gonna be

1083
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 2: on that. He's definitely gonna be on that. He's gonna

1084
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 2: be on that and and Yo Kic.

1085
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: It's gonna be hard for somebody to else to seat

1086
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: him because he's gonna have a dance tper double.

1087
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 2: Its Sam got to win that. Sam got to win.

1088
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 2: That's it. Yep, that's it.

1089
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: They gotta win did the band did the band trade

1090
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: expose how badly the Mavericks botched the Luca deal the Mavericks.

1091
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 1: The Lakers gave up one first round pick for Luca.

1092
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: The Mavericks gave up four first round picks and a

1093
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: pick swap.

1094
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 2: Oh Pete Bell.

1095
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:25,919
Speaker 1: They got a D in return. A D ain't no slouch. Okay,

1096
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: he ain't no slouch. He can play like he an

1097
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: all star caliber guy if he can stay. But if

1098
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 1: you have, they treated that deaths. But banin like he's

1099
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:39,280
Speaker 1: an all star with four first round picks unprotected. Normally

1100
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,399
Speaker 1: people you're like, Okay, they got some protection. Okay, top

1101
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: five protected. They like, nah, nah, ain't nothing protected. We

1102
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 1: all out everything out. Yeah, ever pick swap that kind

1103
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,720
Speaker 1: of reminds that kind of reminds you of the Clipper

1104
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: deal down the pit Bill when they gave able to

1105
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: get shape.

1106
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 2: Yeah away, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was there for thatvere Yeah,

1107
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 2: I was there. I thought, and looking back on it,

1108
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,439
Speaker 2: I thought for a minute, like, yeah, we won this trade.

1109
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 2: Easy was wrong? When you were you there?

1110
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: Were you?

1111
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 2: Were you there with? Were you there with Shaye? He

1112
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 2: was my real key? Well, y'all keep forgetting that. Why

1113
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 2: do you think your dog so so did you did

1114
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 2: you see? Okay? Obviously he was. He was a lot

1115
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 2: of it pick but did you think he could turn

1116
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 2: into this? I told him this.

1117
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 3: I told him the third day of training camp. I

1118
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 3: tapped Louke me and Louke send down. I tapped lou

1119
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 3: lou Hey he cold, lu say yeah he he he different.

1120
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, no, no, no, lo he. I get

1121
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 2: up from lou You don't hear what I'm saying. I

1122
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 2: go right to say. He say, how good do you

1123
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 2: think he could be?

1124
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: You know? He he from the sixth so he talked

1125
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: like he talked different than he's like, I mean, I

1126
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: think I could be like really good.

1127
00:50:53,800 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, boy, you you as you mean? Like

1128
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 2: all star.

1129
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,720
Speaker 1: I'm like no, no, no, no, superstar like Mike Jeordan,

1130
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant, Hugh like like he seriously so fast forward.

1131
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 2: You know, I see his mom out shopping and while.

1132
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 3: You know, while we're playing Toronto, and she's like, man,

1133
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 3: thank you for you know telling my son that, like

1134
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 3: you gave him that confidence, like he after you said that,

1135
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 3: he really believed it.

1136
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 2: People always forget say what's my rookie? Say what with

1137
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 2: my rookie. Yeah, next year, even with Chris Paul.

1138
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: And Dennis Roller respectfully, you know, everybody got to get

1139
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: that room from somewhere else. But nah, Sam's getting that

1140
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: ball in the playoffs and we was playing Steph Curry,

1141
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: a man, get Steph thirty.

1142
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 2: What are you doing when you pass me the ball?

1143
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 2: Go get step thirty? The killer? Wow?

1144
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, look but when you look at it, fuck

1145
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: and Pete beav Certain things happening throughout Guy's career they

1146
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: kind of helped take them to that next level, you

1147
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Him getting traded from the Clippers.

1148
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: You never know how he was thinking. He may be

1149
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:56,439
Speaker 1: thinking like, man, they ain't think I was good enough,

1150
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 1: So now cres your cord. So now somebody get rid

1151
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 1: of That's what they tellor you. So now he in

1152
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: the lab working hard as ever, you know, probably showing

1153
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: prove like all right, I'm showing Uh. I don't know

1154
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 1: if he if he expected himself to reach this level

1155
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: man quickly. It's been it's been special to watch. It's

1156
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 1: been like I see him the next year and lay

1157
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: up Monassan. He was like, man, that trade. I was like, yeah, man,

1158
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: what you think of?

1159
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 2: He like man, what you mean you don't trade me

1160
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 2: for him?

1161
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 3: You know, like talking about Paul George, I'm like yeah,

1162
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 3: like and to be a second third year guy like

1163
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 3: saying that shows you how much confidence they had.

1164
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 2: But I think it happened. I think it happened later.

1165
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 2: I think it happened when they.

1166
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 3: Got rid of a Dennis Schroeder and CP and they

1167
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 3: put the ball all in his hands, right, because that's

1168
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 3: when you kind of saying like that nineteen point twenty

1169
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 3: point scout out to thirty. Yeah, like once once they

1170
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 3: like clean house and like made him the primary ball,

1171
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 3: everything changed and around him everything changed since then. So

1172
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 3: I think that was a that was a that was

1173
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 3: you have to again, Sam Presty, that's a that's a

1174
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 3: that's another one of sam brilliant movie.

1175
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: And look, and I think we both get why the

1176
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: Clippers had to do this. You're getting Kawhi. Kawhi is

1177
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: basically saying, well, if y'all don't do this, I'm gonna

1178
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,240
Speaker 1: go with the Lakers. Do y'all really want me Lebron

1179
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: and a D And then y'all y'all got a cup

1180
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 1: pat Bell.

1181
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 2: That wouldn't have worked that well for y'all. Man, I know,

1182
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 2: but we on need in our mind.

1183
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 3: You gotta think we just took the year before, we

1184
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 3: just took God to State six games with Kevin Durant.

1185
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 3: So in our our miund we thinking like, man, we

1186
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 3: just need one more person.

1187
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 2: Be cool. Right.

1188
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 3: So they was they were shopping KD might come. You know,

1189
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 3: there was a thought that Kawhi might come. We didn't

1190
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 3: think Kawhi and Paul.

1191
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 2: George is gonna come, you know. So for us we're

1192
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 2: looking like, oh man, we got a real chance to

1193
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 2: win a championship.

1194
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 3: And that's when you know, you know things, you know,

1195
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 3: the bubble happened, and the three one happened, and injuries happened,

1196
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 3: and next thing you know, you know, Sha Shae's the

1197
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 3: MVP and he's in a championship game.

1198
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 2: Up up three two right now. Another day, another KD

1199
00:53:59,160 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 2: trade watch.

1200
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: Sons reportedly aren't committing the trading KD to one of

1201
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: his preferred landing spots Miami, Houston, San Antonio. All no

1202
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: state income tax here, p Bell, I'm gonna come to

1203
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: you first, Joe. Let me ask you this. Has KD

1204
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: earned the right to choose his landing spot? Man, Yes, Yes,

1205
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: that man is an all time great. He's done nothing

1206
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: but play hard. Now everybody you know chastising nobody's leadership,

1207
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: But dude, love he who Man, he loved a game.

1208
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: So you know what you're gonna get from him? Pee Bell,

1209
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: if you know what you're gonna get from man. He

1210
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 1: gonna be efficient from the floor. He gonna be the

1211
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 1: easy money sniper. The game comes easy to him. Now

1212
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: help him out. You know you it ain't like it

1213
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 1: ain't like the place he asked and they ain't got

1214
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 1: talent that you can get some guys back in return

1215
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 1: to where you can still be competitive. You'll be better

1216
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: than what you were last year. Hell, you ain't make

1217
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: the player in last year. You trade him the San

1218
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: Antonio or Houston. I feel like you can Houston. You

1219
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 1: can get some good, comparable pieces to where you still

1220
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: be in contention. You can you can at least make

1221
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: the playoffs.

1222
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 2: There's all long standards. This we've we've seen we were

1223
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 2: seeing KD. We've seen KD.

1224
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: At all for I mean since I've been in the NBA,

1225
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen years, whatever, Right, We've

1226
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: seen him and in places where when he's happy right,

1227
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 1: and I mean happy like it's a great team.

1228
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 2: It's not a surface running around it.

1229
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: He plays eve lead basketball right when he goes to

1230
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: places where it's you know, the Brooklyn net scenario and

1231
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 1: you know this is that I'm not saying it wasn't

1232
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:42,399
Speaker 1: the elite ball.

1233
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 2: I'm just saying like it was just a little harder.

1234
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 1: His teams were not as good, you know, like, so

1235
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: I think you get Katie, you get him in that

1236
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: you know, one of those teams season obviously he went

1237
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 1: to University of Texas, no state taxes, you know, so

1238
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: people love that, people love playing it and somewhere, yeah,

1239
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: somewhere in Texas, right, so you get housed to Yeah, I'm.

1240
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 2: I member my neust the house now, yeah, I members

1241
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 2: to the house now. Yeah.

1242
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: So like when you get when you as a as

1243
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: an athlete, we all know when you get to somewhere

1244
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:12,320
Speaker 1: else a fresh start.

1245
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 2: You got a lot of young talent.

1246
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 3: You gotta you know, you're not beefing with a coach,

1247
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 3: like we don't know the dynamic with him in a

1248
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 3: coach like you got something new, You got a coach

1249
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 3: that you believe in. Your gang goes to another level automatically,

1250
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 3: you know, so I just think that's kind of the

1251
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 3: situation that he was in. It sounds like some things,

1252
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 3: you know, proms. I wouldn't say promised to him, but

1253
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 3: you know as far as how they you know, want

1254
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 3: to win. And then you know, you get the coach

1255
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 3: who Bootonholzer, who's not not for everybody, right, he's not

1256
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 3: for everybody.

1257
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 1: He does thing this particular way and it works. He's

1258
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: won a championship. It works, right, So you can't blame him.

1259
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 1: But we see that, you know, that fit. It just

1260
00:56:49,480 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 1: didn't work. It just didn't work for Kevin Durant. Pep,

1261
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 1: have you said something very interesting? You say when there's

1262
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: not a circus? Kd played his best basketball once he

1263
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: left ok See at Golden State because all he got

1264
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: to do was hoop. See, you go to Brooklyn, they're

1265
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 1: counting on you. They want you to lead, even though

1266
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: you want to just hoop. They want you to lead.

1267
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: You go to Phoenix. Now you and Devin Booker should

1268
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: have to lead. You. See, you got Clay, you got stepped,

1269
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: you got dramond I get to be a back really truly.

1270
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: I can lead sing, but I kind of like being

1271
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: in the backup. I kind of like doing background vocals, right.

1272
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 1: So I don't know, because now at this point, at

1273
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,959
Speaker 1: this point in time, now, guys, everybody that gives Kevin

1274
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: Durant then look at him as a higher gun. We're

1275
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 1: bringing you here to get us over the pump. That's

1276
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: why they're gonna get it. So the expectation wherever he

1277
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: goes is gonna be expedited. He goes to Miami, Miami

1278
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: is expected to be able to compete for a title.

1279
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: Now it's being reported Mark Spears says Kevin Durant was

1280
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: interested in joining the Nick as well, but the Knicks

1281
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: were not interested in pursuing him. Now, I don't know

1282
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: how true it is, but Mark Spears seems to be

1283
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: a reputable reporter. And I haven't heard anybody come out

1284
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: and said Mark Spears. Mark Spears doesn't know what he's

1285
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: talking about. All I could just go by is what's

1286
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: being reported.

1287
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 2: And Mark J.

1288
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 1: Spears says he wanted to go to the Knicks now

1289
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: when he had he was a free agent. The Knicks

1290
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 1: really wanted Kevin the Red when he bypassed them and

1291
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: jumped over and went to Brooklyn. Now he was at Okafe, Oh,

1292
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: probably Okaye said, nah, we good.

1293
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 2: So wherever he's.

1294
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: Going, the pressure is gonna be what he felt when

1295
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: he went to Golden State, because they're like, hold on,

1296
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: they got stuffed. They guy Clay, they got Dremond that

1297
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 1: won seventy three games the year before. They just lost

1298
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: the three to one lead with Kevin Durant. It should

1299
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 1: be a breeze and it was, and maybe it became

1300
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 1: too easily. Maybe Kevin Durant says, my job is done here.

1301
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 1: What do you think about that? What do you guys

1302
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: think about that?

1303
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 3: I don't think Phinnish was a good team, if we're

1304
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 3: being totally honest, right, I don't think they were a

1305
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 3: team where they got Kevin Durant and you looked at

1306
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 3: their roster and you be like, this is a team

1307
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 3: that can win by bial Yeah, I don't think there

1308
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 3: was anyone's thought. I didn't think anyone thought that once

1309
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 3: uh Phoenix got Katie, that they're gonna win the championship.

1310
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 3: I honestly thought when they lost CP they were gonna

1311
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,479
Speaker 3: go down, and they've been going down that kept.

1312
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know so like that.

1313
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: That's my mindset, right, and you you obviously you add

1314
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: a player like Bradley Beal, who's you know, phenomenal talent

1315
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: dealing with injury.

1316
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 2: But when he plays and he's healthy, he plays well.

1317
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 1: You got this guy on ball defender, You got this

1318
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: guy the three points a game, maybe five points one game.

1319
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 3: I mean, they just wasn't getting the best versions of

1320
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 3: the players that we're we're accustomed to, that's all.

1321
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 1: But you played them out of position. I understand Devin

1322
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 1: Booker can play. He's not a point, he's a two.

1323
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: If there are a lot of these guys that are saying,

1324
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 1: oh they got the position, they got PG by the name,

1325
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: they're two guards masquerading p BF, Devin Booker is not

1326
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: a point. He played his best basketball when CP was there.

1327
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: That's the best basketball we see and they got to

1328
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 1: a championship. They should have kept They should have kept

1329
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: CEP three. I'm not saying you gotta pay him twenty

1330
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 1: five thirty million dollars, but I'm.

1331
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 2: Saying you keep him. You didn't need badly. Bill.

1332
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: If you can't get enough score from Kevin Durrant and

1333
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 1: Devin Booker, well I don't know what to tell you.

1334
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: Becoming in the process of getting Bradley bial you give

1335
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 1: up all your depth. The reason these two teams that

1336
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 1: are in the finals Indiana and in the OKC, what.

1337
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 2: Depth, bitch. Yeah, nobody beat all the teams.

1338
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 3: I honestly think if they, I honestly think I'm gonna

1339
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 3: be honest, I think they they dropped the ball and

1340
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 3: they got rid of DeAndre eighty.

1341
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 2: Eight. Oh yeah yeah, yeah yeah, him and money couldn't

1342
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 2: get along.

1343
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 1: But now you see, you don't got Monior, you don't

1344
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: got DeAndre a. You know, coaches, coaches are revolving doors.

1345
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 1: We see that all you ain't got Bogal, You ain't

1346
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:04,919
Speaker 1: got a Bogel, you ain't got bluten Holder, you ain't

1347
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: got money, You on your you on your fourth coaching

1348
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 1: for years. Yeah, it's hard to get consistency and continuity

1349
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 1: when you do it like that. People, because that's a

1350
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 1: whole new sister and they looking way and somebody coaching

1351
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: another way.

1352
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they looking for a five man.

1353
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: Now think about that, because you think, hey, look, you

1354
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: think you think guys are easily replaceable in this league,

1355
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 1: and they not.

1356
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 2: Bro they not.

1357
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 1: Look, you give up CP, who is a hell of

1358
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 1: an orchestrator, and you know he would have made sure

1359
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: Devin Booker and Kevin Durant got their points. Yes, So

1360
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: I agree with y'all. I don't think Bradley Bell was

1361
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 1: a great fit because now you're trying to make sure

1362
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 1: all three of these guys get at least fifteen or

1363
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 1: twenty shots at night, and it just didn't add up

1364
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: to wins.

1365
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 2: And that's easy to guard. That's easy to guard.

1366
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: Okay, cool, he shoot, he goes shoot seventeen, he goes

1367
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 1: shoot eighteen, he goes shoot twenty two.

1368
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 2: Alright, cool, got it. Stop one of them. We win,

1369
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 2: easy game point.

1370
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 1: Some in the Sun's organization believe Bradley Bill will produced

1371
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: when kad is gone. Per Jake Fisher, there's a light.

1372
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: There is a likewise, some hope within the Suns that

1373
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: moving Kevin Durant could possibly present Bradley Beal with a

1374
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 1: more offensive opportunity to produce in a matter you expect

1375
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 1: from a player with that sort of contract, As the

1376
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 1: Steinline have previously reported, various candidates considering during the Sun's

1377
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: recent coaching search was asked, how would they try to

1378
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 1: get the best out of Bradley Bill if.

1379
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 2: He remained a son.

1380
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 1: Hey, he's gonna have to well, he gonna have to

1381
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 1: step up if they get rid of Kevin Durant. Brad

1382
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: Bill definitely got to step in their role in p Bell.

1383
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 2: He gonna have to.

1384
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 1: They're gonna need at least twenty two to twenty five

1385
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 1: plus from them A night, man, if.

1386
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 2: I trust that coach, I had that coach. I had

1387
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 2: that coach before they got a really good coach Jordan coach.

1388
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 2: He was an elite coach, and I mean elite. He's uh.

1389
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 1: His IQ on a on on on offensively, it's so simple,

1390
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 1: but like atvanst and what he does defensively, he's one

1391
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: of the few coaches that can do both. I had

1392
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: him as a coach, Like we talked, like I have

1393
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 1: a text message right now from him, you know, Happy

1394
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 1: Fathers Father's Day.

1395
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 2: So like coach out, he's a phenomenal coach. Don't sleep

1396
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 2: on him.

1397
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 1: Hey, look, I don't know what kind of system he

1398
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 1: gonna implement, but uh, they need They need Bradley Bill

1399
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 1: to be the guy who they got.

1400
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 2: From the Wizards at twenty six twenty seventh night.

1401
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 1: Now, I don't know if he can average that, but

1402
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 1: he a Look, they gonna need him to be one

1403
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 1: of them top guns on a consistent basis.

1404
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 2: But he and Bradley, him and Devin Booker really the

1405
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 2: same person. I agree, they're the same people. A people.

1406
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 2: They need a center, they need a center, They need

1407
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 2: a center. But when you gave him all those dreads,

1408
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 2: think about it. You had just went to the NBA Finals.

1409
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: You had DeAndre Ayton, you have Michael Bridges, you had

1410
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 1: book you had a CP you had.

1411
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you had a knife. And you blow that

1412
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 2: all up. You get rid of Ayton.

1413
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 1: Not for whatever reason, it seemed like Ayton and and

1414
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: and and money was going back and forth. I don't know,

1415
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 1: but it just seemed like they was always button heads

1416
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 1: on the sideline. Looking at it from the TV, I

1417
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 1: was not, you know, just watching it from a distance,

1418
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 1: it seemed like they was.

1419
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 2: Always button head.

1420
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 1: But you blow it up and you've had three coaches,

1421
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:23,919
Speaker 1: you're about to be on your fourth coaching for since

1422
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: they last won a title, and you you get Kevin Durratt.

1423
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 1: Look at what you gave up. You traded Michel Bridge.

1424
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 1: You can't to jail and draft picks. You give up

1425
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: draft picks to get Bradley Beal. So, okay, you got

1426
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 1: three guys that can score. But they're gonna be stepping

1427
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 1: over Kevin Urratt not but kind of Bradley bial and

1428
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 1: and and and book they kind of stepping over each

1429
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 1: other doing the same thing.

1430
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 2: And you ain't got no doubt, you ain't got no

1431
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 2: big nurkics blessed.

1432
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 1: He meant, well, I think I think it might be

1433
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:59,479
Speaker 1: a test fiece too, right, it might be a tess fiece.

1434
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 2: So you look at these moves.

1435
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 1: That guy's giving up picks, like you get these big

1436
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 1: name guys and now you might you can get picks

1437
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 1: back and not it picks back.

1438
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 2: You get younger talent and assets for him.

1439
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 3: Too, right, Like, we don't know what this Kevin Kevin Durrant.

1440
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 3: You don't know what kind of hall of a trade

1441
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 3: is gonna be. He thirty seven with an injury history.

1442
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 3: If he bab what you think, and you know he

1443
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 3: want to leave, so now you can ask for more.

1444
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 3: You could definitely ask them more now because I know

1445
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 3: he wants to leave. If I know he wants to leave, Okay, Okay,

1446
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 3: I can ask for a whole bunch of more. Okay,

1447
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 3: he wants to leave anywhere, go ahead.

1448
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 2: And give it to you.

1449
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 1: Because he's thirty seven, and he has an injury history.

1450
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 1: Is he a phenomenal talent. Absolutely, there's a reason why

1451
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 1: he was on the seventy fifth anniversary team. He's one

1452
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 1: of the he's one of the great players in NBA history.

1453
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 1: But we can't ignore the fact, Pat Bell, he's thirty

1454
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 1: seven with an injury history. But you told us in

1455
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 1: the beginning of the show, you just said, if this

1456
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 1: player is coming to if this, if this player is

1457
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 1: coming to your teamments he feeling jam Jackson filling up stance?

1458
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 1: We said, know, Kevin Durant, come to your team. He

1459
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 1: is flowing them up. Is he in the lineup that night?

1460
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 1: Could he might be hurt y? Yeah? I think you

1461
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 1: got him on an organization. He gonna pull ups because

1462
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 1: we know every order that she's been in, especially Brooklyn.

1463
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 1: He came to Brooklyn, he missed the whole year and

1464
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 1: and missed that bubble year and half the year, didn't

1465
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 1: play to the following so we get that phoenix.

1466
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 2: He got the phoenix and got hurt immediately. He got

1467
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 2: nick last year.

1468
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 1: Hey love Oh, I feel like I feel like he

1469
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 1: getting he deal with them injuries, man, because of the

1470
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 1: workload that he got to carry. I think he got

1471
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:38,439
Speaker 1: to carry too much of a workload, like you said,

1472
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 1: when he was with when he was with Golden State,

1473
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 1: all he had to do was just who you know,

1474
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 1: he didn't have to do a whole lot of dirty work,

1475
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:44,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

1476
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 2: He can get to Brooklyn.

1477
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 1: They expect a lot out of him, absolutely defensively and offensively,

1478
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 1: and I think that puts him in a comparable situation

1479
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 1: to where he's having.

1480
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 2: To deal with injuries. I didn't think they needed James Harden.

1481
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 1: I didn't need them man, as great as the talent

1482
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 1: James is, Uh, it's just like it's kind of like

1483
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:07,439
Speaker 1: the situation in Phoenix. It's like you got three kids,

1484
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 1: you got three BONA five players, right, and you know

1485
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 1: what James can do. You know he can go get

1486
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 1: you thirty and twelve on the any given night. But

1487
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 1: it's like you got too much offensive power, and it

1488
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 1: just it didn't It didn't add up. It didn't add up,

1489
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 1: It didn't add up the wins. And when you get

1490
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 1: guess what you did, Guess what your depth? Because when

1491
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 1: you trade for James, because think about it, you got

1492
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:32,920
Speaker 1: Kyrie and KD for nothing. They were free agents. They

1493
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 1: came and you didn't have to give up no compensation,

1494
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:36,920
Speaker 1: you didn't have to give up no draft capital.

1495
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 2: You'd have to give up no players.

1496
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:41,479
Speaker 1: Now you get James, you got to give up draft

1497
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 1: capital and you got to give up players to get him.

1498
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I ain't when we played.

1499
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 3: Against that book and that's team, they were so talented,

1500
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 3: I ain't. And I mean that's the year James, sorry

1501
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 3: heart too, So we really didn't really get to see

1502
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 3: the full potential how that team looked all together. You know,

1503
01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 3: we might have seen you know, them together for a

1504
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 3: little bit of period time. I think Kay got hurt

1505
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:02,320
Speaker 3: that year. I think James got hurt.

1506
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 2: So we really didn't really get to see the best,

1507
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 2: the best, the best form of that.

1508
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 3: But when I when we played them, and I think

1509
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 3: I was with the Clippers and we played them, it

1510
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 3: was nothing that we can do, Like it was, it

1511
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 3: was so much going on at like it was. It

1512
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:20,760
Speaker 3: was it was matchup problems over here, matchup problems on

1513
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 3: the post, matchup problems, pick and roll like it was

1514
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 3: so many match up problems that it wasn't a lot

1515
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:25,840
Speaker 3: that we could do.

1516
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 2: They just wasn't healthy, man.

1517
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 1: I mean, what what look you guys fallably then being

1518
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:40,480
Speaker 1: I followed, was it always like this, like the transcendent?

1519
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 2: Historically great players end up moving like this.

1520
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:47,639
Speaker 1: I mean, think about the KD was the OKC Golden State,

1521
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:49,400
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Phoenix.

1522
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 2: Now he about to be on his fifteen and he's

1523
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:54,639
Speaker 2: been traded.

1524
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 1: But we got traded from Brooklyn to Phoenix, and now

1525
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:00,640
Speaker 1: he's about to be traded from Phoenix to h to

1526
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 1: wherever he goes.

1527
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 3: I think that the sense of like the money has

1528
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 3: obviously got I blame you, No, it's the money, right,

1529
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 3: it's the money, and then it's it's it's it's guys.

1530
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 3: Like you don't see a lot of guys back then

1531
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:18,800
Speaker 3: using their voice everyone they could.

1532
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 2: They didn't have the department like they gotten up people

1533
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:25,559
Speaker 2: right now. So like now you can go and be like, nah, man,

1534
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 2: he getting that. I want this and if I can't

1535
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 2: get this, I'm gonna go to another team and go

1536
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 2: get it right. And you got guys that got relationships

1537
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:33,760
Speaker 2: like hey, bro, what you doing the something? All right? Cool?

1538
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 2: We could do this. We do do so Like you

1539
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 2: got guys that's working behind the scenes. It's like okay, cool.

1540
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:41,720
Speaker 1: They go maximize and what they should right and what

1541
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 1: they should so like, it's just different now.

1542
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 2: It's different times right now. I think it's more of

1543
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 2: a flex right right.

1544
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:50,760
Speaker 3: You see you see a guy play on one team

1545
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:53,560
Speaker 3: his whole career, guy like Steph Curry, right, guy like

1546
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 3: Drake Moond.

1547
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 1: It's you know, moving teams. Guys feel like, Okay, I

1548
01:09:57,479 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 1: can win a championship over there and change the coach

1549
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:01,720
Speaker 1: over there when the champions over there. It's more of

1550
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:02,680
Speaker 1: a flax a little bit.

1551
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 2: I agree.

1552
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 1: Hey, then when you look at Durant man, he's such

1553
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:12,479
Speaker 1: a polarizing you know claire meaning, he's always gonna have value,

1554
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it don't it don't

1555
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 1: matter where he's at. Somebody's gonna always want him on

1556
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 1: his team because his skill set is uh is second

1557
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 1: to none.

1558
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 2: You know, a team can always use it.

1559
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 1: You look and for me, you look at who could

1560
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 1: use twenty six twenty seven points a night. But look

1561
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 1: you look at it. You look at Houston p Bell,

1562
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:34,799
Speaker 1: who are the number two seed in this year's playoffs,

1563
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 1: and they were a young team. They struggled scoring, the

1564
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 1: scoring the basketball, especially stretch. You get Kevin Durant, you know,

1565
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:44,919
Speaker 1: you you don't have them problems.

1566
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. So I know, I'm sure

1567
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 2: they gonna get him traded.

1568
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 1: I just hope he goes to a situation to where

1569
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's comfortable for him and he's able

1570
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 1: to just hoop, play his game and be the easy

1571
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 1: money snipe that we know he is.

1572
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:05,560
Speaker 2: And he's Houston. He ain't killed. He's Kevin Durant. The

1573
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 2: days are just hooping it over.

1574
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 1: He got that when he first got when he first

1575
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 1: got to UH, when he was in Seattle for that

1576
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:13,559
Speaker 1: one year, and when he went to End and when

1577
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:15,560
Speaker 1: he went to they went to ok See, when he

1578
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 1: go to Golden State, ain't no more just hooping because

1579
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 1: the expectation of championship.

1580
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:21,640
Speaker 2: Anybody that trade for.

1581
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant right now, p BAF and then Joe you

1582
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 1: know this, they expect championship because realistic affair or whatever

1583
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 1: the case you want to want to use. He's a

1584
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:35,720
Speaker 1: seven foot scoring machine. He's a fishing out of the

1585
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 1: yin Yang. I mean he shot, I mean he had

1586
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 1: an off year shooting from the free throw line cups.

1587
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 1: He shot like eighty four eighty five percent, which is crazy.

1588
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:46,760
Speaker 1: He's normally eighty nine to ninety but he gave it

1589
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:50,759
Speaker 1: twenty six, five and six, and so he goes to Houston.

1590
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:52,639
Speaker 1: You know what that means, they had the number two seed.

1591
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 1: They expect to go further. If he goes to Miami.

1592
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 1: You know what the expectations there when you go to

1593
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 1: Raleigh led organization. So there there's no place he can

1594
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:04,679
Speaker 1: go that he's gonna be able to rest comfortably because

1595
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 1: the expectations are gonna follow.

1596
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:08,640
Speaker 3: Kevin Durant, I think, I think, I think he can

1597
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 3: go to I ain't gonna you talk about one in

1598
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 3: a million or billion chances of like there's only one

1599
01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 3: A couple of teams that he could have went to,

1600
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:21,280
Speaker 3: and and and and they underachieved, right, and one of

1601
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:25,599
Speaker 3: them is Phoenix. Right, new situation, new coach, Your coach

1602
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 3: is going as the first year.

1603
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 2: You don't know how it looks.

1604
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:30,679
Speaker 3: He could go to any other team though, and definitely

1605
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 3: take that team where it needs to go. And we're

1606
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:36,240
Speaker 3: talking about contenders, right. He can go to San Antonio

1607
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 3: right now, unbelievable team. We'll we'll say the team is

1608
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 3: a cheat.

1609
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:40,599
Speaker 2: Coach.

1610
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 1: He go to the Rockets right now, with the with

1611
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 1: the pieces they have, with the coach, they have what

1612
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 1: are they gonna give up?

1613
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 2: What are they gonna give up? In Houston? Getty? Are

1614
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 2: you look?

1615
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 1: I think Jalen Green would be one, Barsmith Junior would

1616
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 1: be two. That I'm not giving up. I'm not giving up.

1617
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 1: I'm not giving up Am and Thompson. I'm not giving

1618
01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:57,800
Speaker 1: him up.

1619
01:12:58,080 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 2: No, No, he's gonna touch, He's gonna touch.

1620
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:02,720
Speaker 1: But I think you give up those guys you name,

1621
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 1: and you give up some sixteen and fifteen year olds,

1622
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 1: some two thousand and thirty thirty thirty one draft picks, right,

1623
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 1: sixteen year olds, you go, you go put a couple

1624
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 1: of them.

1625
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 2: I do like I like, let's see Thompson, Shingoon, k

1626
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:27,160
Speaker 2: d Van Fleet not bad. Oh a, Dylan Brooks not bad. Yeah.

1627
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 1: See, now you got you got, you got your blue

1628
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 1: collar worker guys, and you got Katie who is seamlessly

1629
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 1: fit right in and alleviate the pressure from those guys,

1630
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 1: especially in that fourth quarter. I just feel like that's

1631
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 1: that's a great matchup. But I also like him going

1632
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:45,640
Speaker 1: to San Antonio playing with Dane Fox.

1633
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 2: And Wimby Man. What but they're gonna probably have they

1634
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:51,920
Speaker 2: they have to give up Castle.

1635
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're probably gonna have to give up castle, but

1636
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:57,599
Speaker 1: you got to give up something else to make it work.

1637
01:13:57,680 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 2: I give it.

1638
01:13:58,120 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 1: Hey, they got they got a hundred, like you said,

1639
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 1: they got some. They got some some seven year old

1640
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:05,240
Speaker 1: picks in there too. They got picks all the way

1641
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:07,400
Speaker 1: out of twenty forty. So for show, that's the thing.

1642
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 1: That's one thing we do know these teams have. They

1643
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 1: have a lot of money, and they got a lot

1644
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 1: of picks.

1645
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 2: So I tell you that we know that.

1646
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 1: Well, Pat Bell, we're gonna get you out of here.

1647
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 1: Make sure you got wait wait uh. And you know

1648
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:20,840
Speaker 1: you speaking about one on one. You know me and

1649
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 1: Joe played well, you know, me and Joe went. You know,

1650
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:24,760
Speaker 1: he went to Arkansas. I don't think you know that

1651
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:29,400
Speaker 1: Joe Johnson's story. Hall me. I don't mean to keep

1652
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 1: y'all stugg going on too long, but I gotta the story, okay.

1653
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:35,719
Speaker 1: So so you know I went to the University of Arkansas,

1654
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:39,840
Speaker 1: like you say, alumni where Joe Johnson went, right and

1655
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:42,720
Speaker 1: then and then during the time I was there, you

1656
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:45,600
Speaker 1: gotta think I'm probably like you know, I'm freshman of

1657
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 1: the year.

1658
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 2: You know, I'm new coming of the year.

1659
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:50,720
Speaker 1: So all the accolades that I'm getting I'm really just

1660
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 1: Joe Johnson got him before, right, I'm the only kid

1661
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 1: on the team that has like any type of NBA started.

1662
01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 1: So what Joe Johnson do? He come getting me up?

1663
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 1: He takes me under his wing. He takes care of

1664
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:05,960
Speaker 1: me while I'm in Arkansas. He gives me place to

1665
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 1: Little Rock to say, he gives me. I'm talking about

1666
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:10,600
Speaker 1: anytime he got a free time. He come up to

1667
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:13,679
Speaker 1: the school. That's a two hour drive. I get into

1668
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:16,200
Speaker 1: the NBA. We play Atlanta. I go right to his

1669
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:18,799
Speaker 1: house all the time, Like his family is my family.

1670
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:21,599
Speaker 1: Like you gotta think Joe was really like big bro

1671
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 1: to me, Like he's okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, the firther

1672
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:28,559
Speaker 1: dude who ever put me on ever ever listen listen.

1673
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 2: Oh hey, I was in the league. He was in college.

1674
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 2: He come over to the house and be, oh yeah, yeah,

1675
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 2: I can't wait I get to the league. Wanted right there. Hey, hey,

1676
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:44,720
Speaker 2: he was keeping up the whole time.

1677
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:47,400
Speaker 1: Look, we had a we had a summer league back

1678
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:49,760
Speaker 1: of the Crib and Little Rock and uh man, I

1679
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:51,559
Speaker 1: had him come down there and play with us. Man,

1680
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:53,680
Speaker 1: come on there, turn turn out the whole gym y'all

1681
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:56,679
Speaker 1: know how he is all the ants, picking up full court,

1682
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 1: talking stuff the whole guests.

1683
01:15:58,120 --> 01:15:59,599
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this is what I need. They little people,

1684
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 2: all right. So yeah, Bill was like he.

1685
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:05,680
Speaker 1: Want He the one who showed me like, man, you

1686
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:07,800
Speaker 1: got kids. I'm like, yeah, I got kids. He's like, okay,

1687
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:09,800
Speaker 1: you gotta feed your kids. So he's really the one that,

1688
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:13,320
Speaker 1: like I'm talking about, I'm with Lebron and Miami got

1689
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 1: dinner and Lebron like everybody know you you're about to go.

1690
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 1: You about to go with your big brother Joe John

1691
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 1: Like hell yeah, damn right, I'm talking about uncle. I'm

1692
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:22,640
Speaker 1: met in his room just looking around like, yeah, what

1693
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:25,519
Speaker 1: else you got? I need that?

1694
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 2: That's what hey.

1695
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:30,759
Speaker 1: But you know what, guys, that's the that's the greatest

1696
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 1: motivator to see it. Yeah, because like my brother went

1697
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 1: and I go, there's a three cars, see three co

1698
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:40,120
Speaker 1: gags and you hit there's a Ferrari, there's a Pores,

1699
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:43,479
Speaker 1: there's a big body Mercedes and you know Central heating it.

1700
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:47,720
Speaker 2: Yoh, to see that, I see I know somebody that

1701
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:50,880
Speaker 2: actually got that or I got I gotta get that. Yeah,

1702
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 2: I'm met at his mama house. I'm staying at his

1703
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 2: mama house. Mama got pool. I gotta get my mama pool.

1704
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:01,960
Speaker 1: So trying after Joe Johnson. I never heard my story

1705
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:05,120
Speaker 1: A big part of it. So I appreciate you. Appreciate that, Bro,

1706
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:08,880
Speaker 1: appreciate That'll make you y'all go fellow the Pat Bell

1707
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 1: Podcast on social media and on YouTube at the Pat

1708
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:13,559
Speaker 1: Bell Podcast with Rome.

1709
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:17,920
Speaker 2: It's on the barstool, uh social media? Where you on?

1710
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 1: I g Pat pat Bell twenty one. You know for me,

1711
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:23,559
Speaker 1: Pat Bell Pod was wrong. I see you at Dave

1712
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 1: on the on the on the on the show too.

1713
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

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01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 2: He's real smart. You're real smart, very very very smart.

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01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:34,559
Speaker 1: Pat Bell. Thank you man. We really appreciate you coming

1716
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 1: on tonight. We know you know, we really really appreciate

1717
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 1: you coming on, providing your expertise, breaking down this game

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01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 1: and talking about a lot of other topics.

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01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 2: Manime man, come on back. You weren't glass bro. Good

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Speaker 2: to see y'all, love bro all. I appreciate you