WEBVTT - Ep. 463: A 'Pus In Da Pot 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.360 This is the Meat Eater Podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:17.680 bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening podcast. 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:19.320 You can't predict anything. 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:22.840 The Meat Eater Podcast is brought to you by First Light. 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:26.119 Whether you're checking trail cams, hanging deer stands, or scouting 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:29.600 for ELK. First Light has performance apparel to support every 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:32.440 hunter in every environment. Check it out at first light 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:35.720 dot com. F I R S T L I T 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:40.960 E dot com. All right, everybody, my wife's here. She 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:48.000 wants to call this episode a pussing the pot. A 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:48.920 pussing the pot. 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:51.440 Definitely didn't want to call it that. 0:00:54.280 --> 0:01:00.360 Also joined by Andrew Rajalowski, who uh has then this 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:01.080 is your what year? 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:03.960 Fifteenth consecutive year. 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:09.840 Fifteenth consecutive year being the camp cook, the camp cook 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:10.960 at our fish shack. 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:14.600 Yeah, fifteen years of cooking, i'd say, camp manager. 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:15.600 Camp manager. 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:18.760 We're still looking for an andy over for our place. 0:01:18.880 --> 0:01:22.280 Yeah, taking a week, Yeah we can we can talk later. 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:25.839 Most eligible bachelor on San Juan Island. 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:26.560 We're gonna pach it. 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:28.920 I'm coming for fifteen years. 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:31.200 I don't come. I don't come to the fish Shack 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:32.080 without Andy. 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:35.360 Yeah, he doesn't like it come without Andy. Andy thinks 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:38.120 people like him. They think people like. 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:42.160 Him not only the best, the best guy to just 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:45.080 be around and hang out with. He also like makes 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:46.880 the experience because of the food. 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:50.360 We're going to run through your repertoire of dishes keeps 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:53.320 everybody happy. We're gonna run through your repertoire of dishes 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:57.720 because you have like a you have a someday we're 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:01.120 gonna we should do a book called Meals from the Coke. Yeah, oh, 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:03.600 that'd be a good ideas and the very short cookbook. 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:07.800 Yeah, just like two weeks worth of of dishes. 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:08.600 Yeah. 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:11.280 Oh man, Yeah, it's a great idea. There you go, 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:13.560 pushing the pot. We'll get to. 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:17.720 Questions. I can't. 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:26.520 Well. I was also the episode Tickles Touches Takes either 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:29.280 one of those Tickles Touches and. 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:33.119 Takes, anything with tickles fish. 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:40.359 Fishing, Tickles Touches and Takes a fishing show. I like that, 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:43.919 you know, because there's tickles. Yeah, when you're fishing, there's tickles, 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:49.320 there's touches, there's takes. So tickles touches and takes, there's 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:52.240 also like. 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:54.560 Like grabs and nibbles and smacks and bumps. 0:02:56.720 --> 0:03:02.640 Or pushing the pot, and especially because you're saying. 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:03.480 Well, I had to say it that way because yesterday 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:07.480 I'm gonna tell this whole story. It's a great story yesterday. 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:09.560 So now and then I'll say something to annoying my 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:15.079 wife and it won't take. So we're pulling shrimp pots 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:18.359 and I was expressing my enthusiasm to catch an octopus, 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:20.600 and I said, I hope we get a big octopus. 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:23.520 Then a while later I said pussing the pot and 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:27.959 she had zero response. So then I had to say 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:30.920 at which point then she got annoyed, so I had 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:31.880 to like, soup it up. 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:34.760 I was annoyed, and I got the. 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:37.640 Response I was. Then I got the response I was after, 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:38.520 which was annoying. 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:41.920 Do you hit that line every once in a while 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:42.840 when you're out there. 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:44.920 Just to see if it's still So I've been saying, 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:53.040 I've been saying, uh, seth ye, owner of the part 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:55.760 partial owner of the Rotten A Frame, his co owner 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:02.200 Kelsey Morris, a co owner wife Colin, her wife Kelsey Morris, 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:04.680 of the Rotten a Frame, and also the wonderful art 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:09.320 gallery in three Forks, Montana. Boom, Yeah, plug the gallery. 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:10.960 I've been telling you. She come on and plug your gas. 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:15.000 Yeah. Thanks. The studio gallery and Three Forks literally the 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:20.680 only art establishment in town. Three Forks, Montana. It's just 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:23.120 my little studio and gallery. Imagine that. 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:26.360 Kelsey used to be a like a you were like 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:27.560 a fertilizer salesman. 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:29.200 I sold agricultural implements. 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:32.240 Yes, she sold agricultural implements and wanted to. You know, 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:36.640 every artists dream of quitting their day job. Self taught 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:41.680 painter quit her day job, but like built up to it. Yeah, 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:44.760 did started selling work and doing commissions. 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:46.600 Yep, did it all on the side for a very 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:49.320 long time until it, you know, got to my wits 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:51.880 end and just made the leap and then. 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:54.920 Left your jade day job, opened a gallery where you 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:59.040 sell your own work the works of others. Yes, and 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:02.840 you work in there. And when people are in Three Forks, 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:06.440 they can come in. You'll be in there working, yeah, 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:08.560 and then you can see you. You kind of like 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:09.640 them to watch you work. 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:11.919 Do you people come and hang out and watch me 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:15.120 work all the time. You know. It's kind of a 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:17.159 cool experience because you just walk in the front door 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:19.599 and whatever I'm working on them there. And then the 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:23.440 gallery where I represent nine other really awesome artists. Is 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:25.640 just right around the corner. So it's like a separate room. 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:27.760 You can go in there and take your time and 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:29.600 check it out, and you. 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:31.400 Know, and you have your own work in there. 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:34.600 Yeah. I have a wall, and then everybody else is 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:37.359 kind of spread out across the other walls. It's not 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:41.080 a huge space, but it's I've curated who I think 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:46.279 are really a talented, talented collection. So everybody's different, nobody 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:52.320 overlaps and subjects, so it's you know, that's awesome in 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:52.880 my opinion. 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:55.160 No, it's great. It's beautiful, and your work looks great, 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:56.559 yeah all the time. 0:05:57.040 --> 0:05:57.600 Yeah. 0:05:57.640 --> 0:05:58.760 My daughter's close on. 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:01.200 Your heels is we're gonna work on that. 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:02.960 She's an inspiring painter. 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:04.960 I brought her some supplies. 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:11.640 And also joining us today is my son, Jimbobwey. How 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:13.800 you doing, Buddy Good? I told him to keep his 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:18.720 answers very brief and to be very respectful, didn't I Yeah, see, 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:20.839 Ill Good have a job he's doing That would have 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:22.680 normally taken him a long time to say all that, 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:23.760 but he got it done quick. 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:25.680 Oh. 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:27.400 So here, we're gonna talk about a couple of things 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:32.359 and I'm gonna tell my my amazing octopus story with witnesses. 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:35.680 I haven't heard this yet, by the way, So get ready. 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:38.479 There's a couple of versions. I have a feeling already 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:41.320 what versions of the octopus story? 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:43.360 No, this is one version. 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:44.880 I'm imagining the Kraken. 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:47.400 Yeah, it was like. 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:50.760 That, like Steve has a couple of like a le Biathan, No, 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:52.440 he has. 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:54.760 You have your version. I have a feeling my version 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:55.840 will be slightly different. 0:06:55.960 --> 0:07:00.719 Oh yeah, because your version was experienced from as far 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:02.520 away from the octopus as you can get. 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:04.760 We had different motivations. 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:06.320 Well, in the back of the boat. 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:09.400 Mom's was also more of a near death experience, and 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:12.600 yours was try to get in the boat. And Mom she. 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:16.840 Was picturing us dying, and yeah, I was picturing us 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:18.880 coming into the cove as heroes. 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:22.720 Yeah, well, Mom was expecting you to not return to 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:23.119 the cove. 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:23.520 Oh. 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:26.320 The fact, the fact that an octopus can give you 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:32.000 the feel the fear of death means yeah, for this story, 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:32.760 it was a lunker. 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:35.520 Uh, and he just got back from Spain wherein he 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:36.440 was eating octopus. 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:36.760 Yeah. 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:38.040 Yeah, we ate a lot of octopuses. 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:40.400 They obviously haven't caught on to that my Octopus Teacher 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:44.640 movie over there. They haven't translated that to Spanish. We'll 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:47.800 cover all things octopus. Oh and also when we talk 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:49.680 about octopus, I want to talk about that story from 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:52.800 Puget Sound, which was probably touched on it before. I'll 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:58.680 tell it later. Yeah, Uh, Maui, this is an interesting story. 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:03.400 You know what when UH programs like Hunters for the 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:08.040 Hungary and other programs where you are able to donate 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:11.760 wild game and then the wild game will go, they'll 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:14.160 usually grind it to burger. Generally you donate dear me, 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:16.200 dear mea gets ground to Burger and it goes to 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:21.280 families in need. Oddly, in Hawaii that was not legal, 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:26.880 so they have this. They have a what some people 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:29.720 regard to be what I'm choosing my words careful here, 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:33.439 what some people regard to be a problem with way 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:38.160 too many access deer. So that would mean in the 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:41.400 eyes of everyone who doesn't hunt access deer, there are 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:44.400 too many access deer, and the eyes of people who 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:46.800 hunt and eat access deer, they probably have a feeling 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:51.520 that things are just right. So they have a lot 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:56.160 of access deer on Maui. They're trying to incentivize and 0:08:56.200 --> 0:09:00.800 help lower numbers. It's a non native of course, access deer. 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:03.240 I know this just from when I hunted access here 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:06.720 in Hawaii, where a gift from someone from the Indian 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:09.480 subcontinent where they're native to had given them to like 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:12.960 King Kameya Kamea the third gave them some access to deer, 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:15.400 and now they're running all over, holy hell, all over 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:16.520 the Hawaiian islands. 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:18.040 They have no predators, right. 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:24.439 No, nothing. So up until HB one three eight to 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:30.920 two or Act fifty four, nonprofits were not allowed to 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:37.840 donate game meat to under resource communities, including the homeless. 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:41.680 But Governor Josh Green, who I know nothing about, just 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:46.840 signed a law saying that now you can donate the meat. 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:53.280 The problem now they have the bottleneck now is they 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:56.880 just don't have a lot of processing capabilities, and people 0:09:56.880 --> 0:10:00.040 have touched on the fact. People have touched on the 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.880 act of Hawaii's food. We're gonna there's another story I 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:05.520 want to talk about that gets into this too. Hawaii 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:10.320 has very low food autonomy. They're heavily reliant on outside 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:14.400 resources and they don't have a lot of in state 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:20.880 capabilities to process meat. But they're sitting on some sixty 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:25.680 thousand axes deer, plus wild hogs, goats and sheep. They 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:31.160 have people who are underserved and in need of food, 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:33.880 and so they're trying to clean up a system or 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:36.680 develop a system, and clean up the legal obstacles to 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:39.720 being able to kill access deer and get the meat 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:47.360 to the needy. You guys will think anything about that, Jimmy, 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:48.480 what do you think about that? Buddy? 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:51.640 I don't really understand it. 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:57.520 But okay, there's an island, Yes, it has a bunch 0:10:57.520 --> 0:10:58.200 of deer on it. 0:10:58.320 --> 0:10:59.840 Okay, you're in. 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:02.680 When we went to MAUI spent time with. 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:07.320 It was illegal to shoot a deer and donate the 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:10.760 meat for a nonprofit, to take deer meat and donate 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:12.280 it to people who don't have enough food. 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:13.720 Well, I understand that part of it. 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:14.480 Now it's legal. 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:15.840 What's the uh? 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:17.160 So you do understand? 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:19.520 What's the argument against doing that? 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:20.320 I have no idea. 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:24.480 I know, in just being in the food industry, you 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:27.120 butt up against a lot of legal stuff when you're 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:31.680 trying to give people food, just because everybody's so happy 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:35.560 to two eat each other, you know, I end up 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:37.720 with a lot of leftover stuff. But anything that's been 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:41.800 pre cooked or out of the package is just a 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:45.760 no no because you don't know where it's been or 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:47.720 how it's been handled. And I kind of treat it 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:50.320 the same way if people say, oh, we have all 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:52.840 this leftover stuff. I don't know if it's been sitting 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:55.800 in the trunk of somebody's car for two days, and 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:57.520 then I serve it to people and then you get, 0:11:57.600 --> 0:11:58.840 you know, three hundred people sick. 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:01.160 So it is I understand that. 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:03.079 But if there was a facility that was set up 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:07.480 specifically for processing that went right to you know, like 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:09.280 you said, they need to clean up that system and 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:11.800 be able to get it directly to the people that 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:12.400 they need to. 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:13.120 Get it to. 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:16.880 Funny you mention that because this article goes on to 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:21.800 say how federal regulations complicate the situation. Because wild animals 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:27.920 such as deer are considered non amendable species, federal officials 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:33.920 won't inspect them for free. Yeah, However, they'll inspect cow's, chicken, pigs, 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:37.440 and other farm raised meat animals for free. So someone's 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:40.160 selling wild game commercially. Now, there's two very different things 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:47.679 we're talking about here. I am, generally, I'm not a 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:50.800 subject matter expert on what's going on in Hawaii. I 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:59.320 am generally absolutely opposed to the commercial sale of the 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:04.000 commercial of hunter harvested wild game. Sure not the donation 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:07.400 of but they're talking about anyone interested in selling wild 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:10.559 game commercially has to pay hafty inspection fees, like they 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:13.840 have to foot the bill on the inspection fees hundreds 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:18.800 of dollars per hour. And in Hawaii they don't have 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:20.920 a lot of people interested in going into the meat 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:24.400 processing business. Now this ties into another point made by 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:31.760 somebody else. An article just came out in the What 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:34.720 are is this? In the Independent? So the Independent, which 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:38.480 is weird because it's a brit publication that seems to 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:42.320 cover a lot of US wildlife issue stuff. Oddly, in 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:47.720 the Independent, there's an article about a landlord in Brooklyn, 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:53.080 New York, who has put in a prohibition from their 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:57.640 tenants cooking meat. You can only cook vegan meals in 0:13:57.760 --> 0:13:58.680 their apartment build. 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:00.720 On what is that? 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:05.839 You can order taken you can order take out with meat, 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:11.520 You cannot cook meat in their apartment building. Exactly why 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:15.920 they are vegan. There are fourteen protected classes of people 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:20.840 in New York, and food choice is not one of them. 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:27.400 You can't discriminate by age, religion, gender, but you can 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:30.080 discriminate by what folks like to eat for supper. 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:34.560 What if someone, though, had like a really serious peanut allergy, 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:36.440 like those people on the plane that you can't even 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:39.640 you know, when the stewardess comes on, she's like, there's 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:41.200 someone with a very severe allergy. 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:48.120 So these people identify as full freaking be Vegan, right. 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:52.320 But what my question is is if somebody is if 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:54.480 you're a landlord and you live in a residence and 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:57.800 you're super you have a super sensitive food allergy, could 0:14:57.880 --> 0:14:58.960 you say you. 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:02.080 Can't Well, yeah, because there's no there's no law saying 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:03.040 that they can't say this. 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:07.800 But would that be I mean that it sounds ridiculous. 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:10.160 It sounds ridiculous, but they're totally covered. And I don't 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:14.160 and I don't think that. I don't think that this 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:19.360 is one of those areas where my personal feelings about 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:22.680 food go up against my feelings about personal liberty. 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:24.160 Mm hmmm. 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:27.720 I don't think it should be illegal. I think that 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:31.920 a landlord should be able to have much more latitude 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:34.840 than they do have about who they rent to. So 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:39.480 I'm not arguing that a landlord like I would say, 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:41.920 if you own a home and you're renting it out 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:43.720 that people can stay there, I would think you should 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:46.440 have massive latitude about who you choose to rent it to. 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:48.880 And I would even open up the idea that some 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:52.400 of these things that are prohibited by the law should 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:54.560 be fair game for a landlord to choose who lives 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:58.240 in their place, just as a person who believes in 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:01.680 some level of like like a high level of personal 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:07.000 autonomy about what you're doing, what you're doing with your 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:10.680 property that's not having a downstream effect on destroying other 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:13.040 people's lives. 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:15.680 Surprising to me that you would be on the landlord's 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:16.120 side here. 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:19.720 I think on that flip side of that, there's definitely 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:23.520 a handful of tenant potential tenets in New York people 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:26.480 that would be like, that's my jam, sign me up, 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:30.560 I'll pay you know what I mean, Like, we view 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:32.400 that as a total negative, but I'm. 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:37.000 Like, people would pay a premium for Yeah, I don't 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:39.320 I don't like it, But I'm just saying I would 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:43.280 never say I like, I think to myself, that's that's disdainful. 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:48.160 But I wouldn't come and argue that the law should 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:53.480 be otherwise because those sorts of liberties mean as much 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:55.560 or more to me as does what you have. 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:58.720 What's the threshold for you to change your mind? How 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:01.800 many land lords would it take? I own my home 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:04.280 for you too? Well, I mean just for the folks 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:07.480 out there you know that are renting, Like what, at 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:10.040 what point does it limit housing for. 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:13.359 I don't foresee that becoming a problem. 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:16.080 Sure, Steve, though, when we lived in New York up 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:20.720 until eight years ago, we rented, and nine years ago, 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:23.320 I guess we rented every place we ever lived in, 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:26.120 and you broke every. 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:27.119 Rule that. 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:32.040 The landlord gave you, like don't store stuff in the basement, 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:36.240 We like colonize the entire basement with all of our stuff. 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:38.480 The squirrels have we caught in our own yard? 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:39.040 We did? 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:41.840 Yeah, I didn't even check about that rule. I was 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:44.640 assuming that wasn't a rule. A guy and the guy 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:48.400 that rode in with this. So a listener named Jake 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:52.560 sent in that story and went on to say he's 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:55.120 experienced this. He had a place, he was a renter. 0:17:55.280 --> 0:18:00.400 He's a spear fisherman from Hawaii, once rented the house 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:07.280 in Heilo is helo Am. I saying that right, that 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:12.280 would that they didn't want anyone cooking any meat or fish. Okay, 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:15.199 because they said they did this landlord didn't wanted to 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:18.680 cleanse the house of foul smells to keep foul smells away. 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:21.560 And he goes on to bring up this idea about 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:27.560 in Hawaii. Hawaii has very low food autonomy and everything 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:31.200 comes in. There's a huge business to it coming in. 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:36.440 A lot of money is made in transporting storing food. 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:40.639 So he said, if you in this idea of counter 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:44.119 culturalism that comes from being like Noah cooking of meat 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:47.560 in my home, he said, the most punk rock thing 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:51.280 you can do in Hawaii. If you're in Hawaii and 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:56.119 you really want to stick it to the man, he says, 0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:59.399 support your local farmers and harvest your own food in 0:18:59.480 --> 0:19:02.000 whatever means you have is the way to stick it 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:06.040 to the man in Hawaii. And thinks that this person 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:09.720 who doesn't want them a spear fisherman cooking the fish 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:11.919 he killed, has it all wrong. 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:13.760 Mhm. 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:19.320 I'd be curious to know with the with the food program, 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:22.480 if there's anyone that is opposed to it, Like, I 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:24.639 wonder what Kimmy thinks about that. I wonder what Danny 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:25.479 thinks about that. 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:29.600 Oh, you mean the oh back to the the first No, 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:31.560 I think it's one of those. It's probably one of 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:37.640 those issues. We had a guy on the episode called 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:41.240 the Lung King. We had a guy on who he's 0:19:41.240 --> 0:19:44.439 a doctor, and one day he uncovered. So if you 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:47.040 go back in the scroll back in the episode, you'll 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:50.320 come to an episode called the Lung King. We recorded 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:54.560 that at the height of the Liver King's uh popularity, 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:56.280 so we called the Lung King. 0:19:56.240 --> 0:19:57.040 For his downfall. 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:01.280 Uh. Just a physician was on in. The physic had 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:08.280 taken an interest in eating organs and cultural biases around 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:12.720 organ consumption and the hagas a very popular dish in 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:17.560 Scotland which has lung in it, and realized that the 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:24.280 sale and distribution of lung in the US it's illegal really, 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:27.480 and he has well, why in the world would that be? 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:32.239 And it was based on this very antiquated understanding of 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:36.800 disease transmission that doesn't hold up. It was like based 0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:39.600 that it was just had been in there once, it 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:42.040 was put in there at some point. Under this idea 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:45.520 which has been is not in fact true, that lungs 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:48.520 were like more likely eating lung was more likely to 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:53.760 spread disease than X, Y and Z proteins, And it 0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:56.920 just was a law. And he's been lobbying to get 0:20:56.960 --> 0:20:59.280 the law overturned and had some success. At it was 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:03.040 just something was sitting on the books, and whoever put 0:21:03.080 --> 0:21:05.119 it there has sort of lost track of why it 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:05.640 was there. 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:07.400 There's a ton of stuff like that. 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:10.520 And and so this this Hawaii situation probably something at 0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:12.440 some point in time someone said you shouldn't be able 0:21:12.480 --> 0:21:14.400 to do that, Yeah, for sure, and then they sort 0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:16.640 of forgot what it was that happened. 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:20.400 What's the organization that's doing it again, that's cool, it's cool. 0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:24.160 I don't even know who's doing it. It's just the 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:26.920 governor signed a law saying you can't that non I 0:21:26.960 --> 0:21:29.480 don't know any of the nonprofits that are fixing to 0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:32.000 do it, but the governor signed a law saying that 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:33.200 they can sell it. 0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:37.120 I feel like though I saw something about this on 0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:39.000 Tim Ferriss's Instagram. 0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:41.199 I think there's a private company that's doing it. 0:21:41.359 --> 0:21:42.239 They're trying to sell it. 0:21:42.960 --> 0:21:45.800 Yeah, right, so that this is totally separated. 0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:47.280 This is more like Hunters for the Hungary. 0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:47.560 Yeah. 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:50.040 Yeah, there was a whole other movement to try to 0:21:50.080 --> 0:21:51.600