1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Dirty Rush, The Truth about Sorority Life with 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: your hosts me Gia. 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 2: Jude, Daisy Kent, and Jennifer Kessler. 4 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: Hey guys, it's Ga jud Dice and welcome back to 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: another week of Dirty Rush. 6 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 3: This week, I have a. 7 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: Very fun celebrity guest, Mercedes North, up from The Bachelor. 8 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: So going into this episode, we kind of wanted to 9 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: bring in celebrities to get their perspective on sorority life, 10 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: but our producers have another idea for us. So we're 11 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: having a total switch up on this episode. And apparently 12 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: it's a topic that we need to talk about. I 13 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: don't know the topic, so let's find out. 14 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 4: So. 15 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 5: I just learned about something last night about sorority rush 16 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 5: that literally has me in shock. So I learned it 17 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 5: from my niece, who is I'm fifty one, so she 18 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 5: is twenty, so she is almost twenty. She's significantly younger. 19 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 5: She told me this was a thing, and I told 20 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 5: her she was lying. I said, this is not a thing, this. 21 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 3: Is not real. 22 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 5: I did not want you guys to know what it 23 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 5: was because I want to find out genuine reactions. If 24 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 5: this is now something that goes on in sorority rush. 25 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:14,559 Speaker 5: I heard it has two different names. It is called 26 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 5: throwing around or dead fishing, So I immediately said, what 27 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 5: are you talking about? And she said, basically, what happens 28 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 5: is if you're a middle house, because I don't think 29 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 5: this would happen at a top tier house. If you're 30 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 5: a middle house, girls that come in want to not 31 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 5: get invited back because they think they are beating the system, essentially, 32 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 5: which people listening this is not work, Like, I'm convinced 33 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 5: this does not work, this is completely crazy. So they 34 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 5: go in and they intentionally are quiet, not maybe not 35 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 5: even nice, disinterested, so that that house does not invite 36 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 5: them back. Because I guess it's called dead fishing or 37 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 5: throwing the round. I guess that the theory for them 38 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 5: is they think they're beating the system so that if 39 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 5: they don't get invited back to these middle houses, they 40 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 5: will help them get the. 41 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:11,839 Speaker 3: Top ten house. 42 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 1: So they kind of try to shit the bed and 43 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: not put any effort in to a house that essentially, 44 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: in their mind they think it doesn't matter, so that 45 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: they'll eliminate those houses and automatically go to top tier. 46 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:31,679 Speaker 5: Correct knowing what I know, it seems absolutely insane. I've 47 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 5: never heard of anything that's crazy. This would never have 48 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 5: happened in my era because I just first of all, 49 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 5: it's trying to game the system, which doesn't work right. 50 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 3: But two it's so mean. 51 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 5: I'm like, how can this be real? So that is 52 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 5: the topic. We have found people who either know about 53 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 5: this or who may even admit they did it, so 54 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 5: I would love for you guys to talk to them, 55 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 5: and I just will say, I do not think this 56 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 5: happened in my era or even like ten years younger 57 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 5: than me, fifteen years than me. Well, this seems much 58 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 5: more something now and I'm like horrified by it. 59 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: To be honest with you, I have never heard of 60 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: the term, but I feel like regardless, girls have might 61 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: have been subconsciously doing it, whether it wasn't a term, 62 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: because I don't think I've never heard that term when 63 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: I was in when I was rushing, but I feel 64 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 1: like girls would subconsciously do that if they weren't interested 65 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: in those houses. They wouldn't put their efforts there because 66 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: they want to put their efforts into something else. So 67 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: I feel like, as well, maybe it's not a term 68 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: that I am aware of or that we are aware of, 69 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: but I feel like girls, but it'shavior, it's a behavior. 70 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think subconsciously is like a good word because 71 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 6: I feel like when we went through recruitment, or when 72 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 6: I went through like I definitely think there was like 73 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 6: some houses where I was like, I don't think we're 74 00:03:58,200 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 6: a match. But I never went in there being like 75 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 6: I'm gonna be rude or I'm gonna make them think. 76 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 6: I'm like you know what I'm saying, Like I never 77 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 6: was always nice. I was always I would never you know, 78 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 6: put them in a situation or myself. 79 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: I think automatically when you kind of go into a 80 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: house and you start that speed dating process, when you're 81 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: in that open house round going through all that, you 82 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: kind of know who you click with and who you 83 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 1: don't click with. But the problem is I was still 84 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: nice to everybody. I was still myself to everybody, And Okay, 85 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: maybe I didn't connect with those girls, but maybe those 86 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: girls connected with me. 87 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 3: So you still want to make a good impression. 88 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: And because no matter what everyone's talking during the recruitment process, 89 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: so you still want to make a good impression and 90 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: represent yourself how you want your reputation to be. Because 91 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: if you go into a sorority and you're a. 92 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 5: Part for me kind of blowing my mind on it. 93 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 5: And again, nobody unless you work for Panelinic, I guess, 94 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 5: really knows exactly how this computer system algorithm works. But 95 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 5: the way I understand it is And when I went 96 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 5: through Rush, it was like, go to these houses, be 97 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 5: be yourself, but be polite and nice and chatty and 98 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 5: kind like you would at any house. And if you 99 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 5: get invited back to every house, then you pick meaning 100 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 5: we called them the rushie. So the rushie if they 101 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 5: get invited back to every house, really the advantage is 102 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 5: to them, they're gonna narrow down and get the houses 103 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 5: they want. So the thing that's like very befuddling to me, 104 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 5: and I think some of some people will be able 105 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 5: to explain it, is how would this possibly work? But 106 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 5: I guess in people's minds they're trying to game the system, 107 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 5: and I just stand by going gaming the system in 108 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 5: Rush really doesn't work. And I thought it was interesting 109 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,119 Speaker 5: because I had a couple people say to me, oh, yes, 110 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 5: so and so did that, but she didn't end up 111 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 5: with a house. And it's like exactly, so look for 112 00:05:55,960 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 5: people listening this whole Rush process is so fascinating because 113 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 5: it's not just hey, how are you, what's your major, 114 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 5: let's be friends. There's all this strategy and coaches and 115 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 5: all these things that have changed the game so much 116 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 5: so I think I wanted to sort of go, let's 117 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 5: throw what we were going to do out and really 118 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 5: dig into this as these girls are in rush and 119 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 5: I'm sorry, but if you're listening, don't do this. 120 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, do not do this. It's totally bonkers. 121 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: And like you were saying, if you really do put 122 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: your efforts in and all the houses want you back, 123 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: take that as a compliment literally, But I also feel 124 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: like it's kind of a sense of entitlement. Clearly some 125 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 1: of these girls think that they're better, and when you 126 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:40,559 Speaker 1: have that attitude, ninety percent of the time it doesn't 127 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 1: go your way. 128 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 6: I feel like it has changed so much, Like again, 129 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 6: the coaches, like, that's crazy. 130 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 3: I've never heard of that until this podcast. 131 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 6: And I also feel like when you're hiring a coach 132 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 6: to get you into this top storty, they're making you. 133 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 3: Someone that you're not. 134 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 6: Here's that saying, so like you're going to get into 135 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 6: a sorty Yeah, you got into the top sorty that's amazing. 136 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 6: You feel cool for like five seconds, but then you 137 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 6: look at this other stort and you're like, wait, those 138 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 6: are my people, Like, those are the people that I 139 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 6: would be like best friends for life with. Instead, I'm 140 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 6: in the sorority that I have nothing in common with, 141 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 6: like I don't agree with or not not agree with 142 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 6: their philanthropy, but like, I think I would match better 143 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 6: in this one. But it's because you weren't your true 144 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 6: ones self and you were doing all these things that 145 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 6: is not what the recruitment process should be. Like has 146 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 6: changed so much it's crazy. 147 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 3: It has. If I hired a rush coach at Rutgers University, 148 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 3: oh please, we would be canceled. 149 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 5: That's crazy, And I think about okay, So I truly 150 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 5: thought this was made up. I literally said to my niece, No, 151 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 5: I think that the girl was just having a bad 152 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 5: day or she was shy, And my niece was like, no, 153 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 5: it's intentional. So my thing is the poor Russier. I 154 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 5: don't forget what you guys call it. A potential new 155 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 5: member talks to the P and M talks to the 156 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 5: so we called him. 157 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 3: The Russia or the Rushi. 158 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 5: That poor girl who's talking to this girl who's a 159 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 5: dead fish must have felt horrible about themselves. And yes 160 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 5: they go and make sure that girl gets dropped, so 161 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 5: because it would be so awful. So anyway, I hope 162 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 5: we have people to really talk about this because this 163 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 5: is the kind of thing that does give Russia a 164 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 5: bad name. Whereas like, I love sorority life and I 165 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 5: love all of it, but this has me sort of horrified. 166 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 7: Yeah. 167 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: Well again it's that sense of like entitlement and thinking 168 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: who you are, and this is why people have such 169 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: a negative yeah you on sororities. 170 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 6: I also feel like the social media that goes into 171 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 6: it now too has a big like I feel like 172 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 6: that's a reason on why it's so. 173 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: Like I mean, you think of a typical stereo type 174 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: of sorority girl, blonde hair, skinny, like great fashion. I mean, 175 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:00,559 Speaker 1: I think BAM has a fun, fun school, but I 176 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: think about BAMA, I don't. 177 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm hearing, And again this will be interesting conversations 178 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 5: for this episode and others that some of those girls 179 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,839 Speaker 5: doing the ootds and all that is actually hurting their 180 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 5: chances now that some schools are frowning upon that and 181 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 5: kind of aren't aren't really so into that, so it'll 182 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 5: be really interesting. But for me, what's been so shocking 183 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 5: is the change now at the core. I think, once 184 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 5: you're in the house and we'll we'll delve into this 185 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 5: in this series of pledging and initiation and date parties 186 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 5: and standards and all the things that go along with 187 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 5: rush and sorority life. But the rush process is so 188 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 5: different now and the pressure, the pressure on the girls 189 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 5: in the house and the pressure on the girls going 190 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 5: through it just when they're. 191 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 6: So young, Like it's it should be fun, it should 192 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 6: be like recruitment. You're excited, you're going to college, You're 193 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 6: gonna be your best friends. 194 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 3: Like, it should not be this intense and weird. 195 00:09:58,320 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 5: It's getting weird. 196 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 3: It's getting getting weird. 197 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: It's in college you're supposed to find yourself and really 198 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: find who you are. And I mean, if you're trying 199 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: to paint this picture that you're not when you're joining 200 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 1: a sorority, how is that going to help. 201 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 3: You find yourself? If anything, that's going to make you 202 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 3: more confused. 203 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, so I think let's let's dig into this and 204 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 5: see if this is a real thing, because Yeah, it 205 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 5: actually shocked me. I was like, that cannot be real. 206 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, Hey, Katie, so is dead fishing or throwing around? 207 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 3: Is this a real thing? 208 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 4: So? 209 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: Yes? 210 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 7: At my school particularly, we call it dead fishing. I 211 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 7: know it's different everywhere, but I. 212 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 3: Just telling me where you go. 213 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 7: I'm not going to tell you where I go, but 214 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 7: I will tell you sorority names and my experience dead 215 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 7: fishing part of the country. 216 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 4: No, I'm not in the South. 217 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 7: I'm actually in California. 218 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: Oh okay, yes, And why did I think that rushing 219 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: wasn't that big in California? 220 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 7: I know, I definitely didn't think it would be that 221 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 7: big of a deal at my school, and sure enough 222 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 7: it was. 223 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, I'm excited to hear about it. 224 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 7: Yeah. So, basically, I knew all along that there were 225 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 7: two houses that I really liked, and on pref night, 226 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 7: I had picked the two houses. 227 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 4: I had had those two houses all. 228 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 7: Along, and then when I got to opening my bid 229 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 7: or the app that we use that tells you which 230 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 7: houses you got back, I saw that I only had 231 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 7: one of those houses and the other house I had 232 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 7: was considered a bottom house, and I immediately freaked out 233 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 7: and didn't really know what to do. So I actually 234 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 7: had that bottom house as the first party, so I 235 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 7: had about ten minutes to get myself together and try 236 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 7: to not freak out. And this was when I walked 237 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 7: into the house and decided my best alternative was to 238 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 7: break the rules and talk about my boyfriend, which, yes, 239 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 7: that's one of the main things we're not supposed to do. 240 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: But okay, we can, I just have you. Can I 241 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 1: clarify something quick? 242 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 6: Mm hm? 243 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: So you you're in the final round? You were in 244 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: rough round Pugh round. 245 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 7: Yes. 246 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 3: So the day. 247 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: Houses that you voted for were your top two yes, and. 248 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 7: I got dropped from one of them, and then I 249 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 7: ended up with another house that I did not want? 250 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 3: Got it? And did you what house did you not 251 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 3: want tried? 252 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 7: Delt was this house which is a not good strority 253 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 7: at my school at all? 254 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 4: I don't know. 255 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,199 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I guess I feel like Nationally tried 256 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: a pretty pretty good one, but it was bad at 257 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: your school. 258 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 7: Yeah, and DJ and Kappa were the two houses I 259 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 7: had liked all along, and those were the two houses 260 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 7: I had picked the night before, but I got dropped 261 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 7: from Kappa. 262 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 3: Okay, got it? 263 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:15,719 Speaker 7: Yeah? 264 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 3: So you wint talking? 265 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: And then wait, I'm blanking because when you do your 266 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: voting system and you rank your houses. You if you 267 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: didn't pick tried out, how did that come up on 268 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: your cards then. 269 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 7: Because I don't think it really mattered, Like I didn't 270 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 7: necessarily drop them. I just ranked all of the houses 271 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 7: in the order of which I wanted them. 272 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: So your third house was maybe tried out, and then 273 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: you got dropped from your second, So then they bumped 274 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: your third house up. 275 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 7: To your something along about those lines. But there's no 276 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 7: way tried out was even my third choice. 277 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 6: Okay, So you were like very much against chidelle, like 278 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 6: you were like, I did not want to be a 279 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 6: part of that, okay, exactly. 280 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 7: And at my they strongly encourage us to not suicide bid. Yeah, 281 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 7: and they tell the freshman that if you suicide bid, 282 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 7: you will end up on the bottom of the house 283 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 7: that you did picks list. So I had talked to 284 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 7: my Roquai and she said, you absolutely can't suicide bid, 285 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 7: like that would not be a smart decision. So I 286 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 7: was like, all right, then I need to figure out 287 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 7: a way to not be invited back to this house 288 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 7: tomorrow on mid day because at my school, especially this 289 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 7: that specific year, if you made it to pref night 290 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 7: with two houses, then you were guaranteed a bid from 291 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 7: one of them. So basically, in my head, in the 292 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 7: ten minutes I had to show up the tri Dee, 293 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 7: I thought my best alternative was to make them drop me. 294 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 3: So I get paired with this. 295 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 7: Girl who was so sweet, and I was crying, and 296 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 7: I think she will probably thought I was crying because 297 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 7: I had found my home, but no, I was crying 298 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 7: because I really did want to be there and it 299 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 7: had just been such a long and emotional week and 300 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 7: I was like okay, Like she asked me what I 301 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 7: did this summer or what I'm looking forward to, something 302 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 7: along those lines, and I said, I'm so excited because 303 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 7: I'm gonna go visit my boyfriend at the Naple Academy. 304 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 7: And I thought this was like a sly way to 305 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 7: bring up my boyfriend and it was like relevant to 306 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 7: the conversation, but like I still knew I wasn't supposed 307 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 7: to be doing that. 308 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: But then by pref rown though too, because you've already 309 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: made it so far. Yeah, I feel like the conversations 310 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: start to get a little more personal. You do break 311 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: the rules a little bit, and it's kind of okay 312 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: totally because you're also sitting there having an hour long 313 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: conversation with this person. 314 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 7: Totally yeah, but being on the other end of it, 315 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 7: I didn't know that. It was like now, okay, So 316 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 7: I'm thinking like, okay, this is great, Like I'm gonna 317 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 7: end up getting dropped from this house. And sure enough, 318 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 7: right as I mentioned naval academy, this girl who I'm 319 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 7: talking to, who's prepping me, immediately freaks out and is like, 320 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 7: oh my gosh, I have always wanted to go to 321 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 7: the Naval Academy. And then she goes on and on 322 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 7: about how she applied there and she didn't get in, 323 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 7: but she's going to enlist after college or do ROTC. 324 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 7: I immediately start crying more. Yes, I'm so overwhelmed, and wow. 325 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: We're connecting now this I am getting this house exactly. 326 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 7: My plan completely backfired. 327 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 3: And she's just like it's. 328 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 7: Okay, this will be your home too. Like she's just 329 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 7: feeling really bonded to me in this moment, and I 330 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 7: am losing it and I don't know what I'm supposed 331 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 7: to do from there, but luckily it ended up working 332 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 7: out for me. I tried to be dry with the 333 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 7: girl for the rest of the night, and be show 334 00:16:55,760 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 7: that I wasn't super interested, but while still being respectful 335 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 7: because I don't have it in me to actually be 336 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,360 Speaker 7: blatantly rude. And I also know now that I could 337 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 7: have said I don't see myself here, because being on 338 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 7: the other end of it, I know that that's a 339 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 7: conversation that girls have while going through the process, and 340 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 7: in hindsight, I should have said that instead of being 341 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 7: uninterested and breaking the roles. 342 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 3: But luckily, what did you do in the end for 343 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 3: when you want to go vote? 344 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,479 Speaker 7: So luckily I had that house is my first party, 345 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 7: and then I had a break because there were two 346 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 7: parties that I didn't have, And then I had the 347 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 7: last party at my current house, which is DG, and 348 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 7: I got to DG and I saw the girl I 349 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 7: had talked to the day before who I loved and 350 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 7: bonded with, and actually we were from the same hometown. 351 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 7: I didn't know her super well because she was a 352 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 7: senior and I obviously was a freshman. But I saw 353 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 7: her and immediately started crying and told her everything, which 354 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 7: once again again could have backfired. But thankfully she was 355 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 7: a super sweet girl. And my mom was also a 356 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 7: DIJI in this house, like at my school. So she 357 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 7: had a great letter from my mom that she read me. 358 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 3: Well, you and you had legacy at that point. 359 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 7: Yes, so it was pretty clear that I was going 360 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 7: to be safe. It was just the idea of what 361 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 7: if they don't like me and I have to sign 362 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 7: this contract at the end of the night, saying that 363 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 7: I will stick by either house, because that's how they 364 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 7: do it at my school. If you don't suicide bid 365 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 7: and then you're not able to be a part of 366 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 7: COB or continuous open bidding that year, you have to 367 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:47,199 Speaker 7: wait until recruitment the following year. So I was terrified, 368 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 7: but thankfully it all ended up working out. I didn't 369 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 7: end up suicide bidding, which I think was the smart 370 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 7: decision because I totally could have ended up without a house. 371 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 7: Who knows, But it ended up working out and I 372 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 7: could not be happier. But dead fishing is definitely a thing, 373 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 7: and I've definitely experienced it being on the other side, 374 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 7: and it's not a good position to be in on 375 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 7: either end. 376 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, thank you for telling us your story, 377 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 1: and I'm really happy that you are in DG now 378 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: and you've found your home. But I mean, you also 379 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: realize now that maybe you should have just been honest 380 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: and you should have just told them you didn't see 381 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: yourself here, and it's great that you have that self 382 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: reflection to kind of just see that. And I don't 383 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,479 Speaker 1: think you had the worst story she did. She did 384 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: end up connecting with you and really loving you. So 385 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm happy it all worked out, and you know, 386 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: sometimes honesty is the best answer. 387 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you so much. 388 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 7: I think I definitely learned a lot from that process 389 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 7: and definitely learned even more being on the other end 390 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 7: of but I'm really happy about the way things turned out. 391 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, same, Well, thanks Katie, thanks so much for 392 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: coming on. Thank you, hey, Jane, and welcome to Dirty Rush. 393 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 1: So let's get into it is throwing around real? 394 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 4: Yes it is? 395 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, it's me. 396 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 8: Well, when someone throws around, they don't particularly want to 397 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 8: return to that chapter, and they purposefully act less interested 398 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 8: in the girls they're talking to, and they act being 399 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 8: on purpose so the chapter won't ask them back in 400 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 8: the next round, and they can have a better chance 401 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 8: of getting their preferred chapters back. And at least at 402 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 8: the school I go to, we promote values based recruitment, 403 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 8: so we want to take girls into our houses based 404 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 8: on their personalities, what we like about them, rather than 405 00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 8: what they look like. So throwing around really hurts this 406 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,360 Speaker 8: process because we're not getting to. 407 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 4: Know the girls because of their personalities. 408 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 8: We're getting a super boring version of them who doesn't 409 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 8: want to be with us. 410 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 3: Valid did you say that they're mean when they do 411 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 3: throwing around? 412 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, sometimes girls can be mean. 413 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 8: One time I had a girl who was like, can 414 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,239 Speaker 8: I ask you a super unique and interesting question that 415 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 8: no one has ever asked before? And then I was like, oh, yeah, sure. 416 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 8: She was like, what's your favorite color? And I was like, oh, like, 417 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 8: I love purple. 418 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 4: I love purple. That's my favorite color. What's yours? 419 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 8: And she was like, I really like beige. Beige is 420 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 8: my favorite color. 421 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 6: Beige? 422 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 4: And I was like, oh, okay, what do you even 423 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 4: say to that? Like, and why? How is that a 424 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 4: unique question? 425 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 8: That's the most basic question that anyone could ever ask. 426 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 1: So, oh my gosh, yeah, but honestly, beige. 427 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 3: It's like, Okay, you're such a smart ass. 428 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 4: Like why is. 429 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 5: I have a question for all of you? I heard 430 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 5: that you can tell panelinic if you think someone is 431 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 5: throwing around is that accurate, because I don't know how 432 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 5: you would actually say, oh, they're throwing around when maybe 433 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 5: they actually are just a little bit. 434 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like, how can you accuse someone? 435 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 8: You can report someone to Panhell for throwing around, but 436 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 8: it is pretty difficult because they have to be breaking 437 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 8: the rules somehow. You can't be kicked out of recruitment 438 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 8: for being boring, so you have to be actively talking 439 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 8: about things you're not supposed to, breaking rules or going 440 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 8: against like. 441 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 4: What the chapter's values are. 442 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 8: So girls are able to get away with throwing rounds 443 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 8: pretty easily. 444 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 5: I did find this out. Sorry to jump in, but 445 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 5: because I thought, well, why not just not go to 446 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 5: that party? I guess if you skip a party you 447 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 5: can be eliminated from the rush back. 448 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 8: Absolutely, you have my school, you have to attend every 449 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 8: single round you're invited back to, or you're not allowed 450 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 8: to PARTICI eight in primary recruitment. 451 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 3: I think that's how my school was too. 452 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 7: Same. 453 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 3: That's pretty standards, like the respectful thing to do. 454 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, just kind of give again, give everyone a shot 455 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: because you'll be surprised. 456 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 3: Maybe you do like a. 457 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,640 Speaker 1: Middle to your sorority over a high sorority. 458 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 8: Yeah, I would absolutely much rather be in my chapter 459 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 8: than quote unquote top sorority at my school because the 460 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 8: culture is toxic and I make much better friends here 461 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 8: than I ever would anywhere else. 462 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 1: So you didn't necessarily participate in the throwing around, but 463 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 1: you had you experienced it from other girls. Yes, other 464 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 1: p and ms that were coming in. 465 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 8: Not incredibly common in my chapter, but it does happen, 466 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 8: but a lot of other chapters at my school experienced 467 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 8: it a lot. And it really hurts girls. And these 468 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 8: girls go through so much work to prepare for primary 469 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 8: recruitment and then when they have to meet with every 470 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 8: single P and M and it's really awful. It hurts 471 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 8: our self confidence and makes them feel bad about the 472 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 8: organization that they love so much and work so hard 473 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 8: to join. So it really is a bummer. 474 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: Of course, it's almost like you're you're trying so hard 475 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: to get to know a person, but you're not even 476 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 1: getting to know them for who. 477 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 6: They well, especially when you like we know and obviously 478 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 6: you know, like going into like doing recruitment the other 479 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 6: side of it. You put so much time and effort, 480 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 6: so when someone comes in and they are like rude 481 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 6: or like trying to talk about things just to get. 482 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 3: Out of it, like that's so disheartening. 483 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 1: No, yeah, because I mean at the end of the day, 484 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: it's Yeah, it's disrespectful no matter where, like, no matter 485 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: where you're ranked. Each sorority puts so much effort into 486 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 1: making their rush process perfect and exactly how they want 487 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: it to be and how they want it to be 488 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 1: like represented and presented to the p and ms. 489 00:24:58,280 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 3: So for girls to do that it is. 490 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: A slow up in the face. They should really give 491 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: everyone a fair shot. 492 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 5: Jane, what were you going to say? 493 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 7: Oh? 494 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 4: I was just saying. One time. 495 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 8: What a friend of mine even had a girl come 496 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 8: in and she sat down and the first question she 497 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 8: asked was are you Jewish? Yep, because she was wearing 498 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 8: a star of David and had a slightly Jewish last name, 499 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 8: and they just that was the first question they asked her. 500 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 8: And it was simply because they didn't want to be 501 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 8: at that house and they wanted to be dropped from 502 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 8: that chapter. 503 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 3: They should have been dropped from recruitment. 504 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 8: I think they ended up being dropped from recruitment because 505 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 8: it was crazy. Yeah, that's insane, And at least at 506 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 8: my school, the chapters do work really hard to eliminate 507 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 8: p and ms like that. Uh, so you can get 508 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 8: I guess blacklisted from a lot of chapters for displaying 509 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 8: that kind of behavior negative comments towards other chapters. It 510 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 8: can affect you in the recruitment process for sure, So 511 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 8: you do have to be careful obviously, but it is 512 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 8: really hard to get caught for throwing rounds. 513 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 7: Ye. 514 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 3: Well, Jane, thank you so much. 515 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: Thanks for telling us your story, and I hope that 516 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 1: you kind of shed light on this so future p 517 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 1: and ms know to go into recruitment with an open 518 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: mind and really give everyone. 519 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 3: Their best efforts. 520 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 2: Thank you guys, Thank you, Hey Leslie, and welcome to 521 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 2: Dirty Rush. 522 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,880 Speaker 3: So was it dead fishing. 523 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 1: Or throwing around a thing at your university? 524 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 3: Do you know what I'm talking? 525 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 9: I don't think we called it dead fishing, but they're 526 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 9: definitely like, I know what throwing around is, and that 527 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 9: was definitely like talked about, but it was never called 528 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 9: dead fishing, so. 529 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 3: You get the concept, yeah, of what it is. 530 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,360 Speaker 1: Okay, So what was your experience? 531 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:25,959 Speaker 9: So I would say I didn't intentionally throw around like 532 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 9: that wasn't. 533 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 3: My goal, but I was so. 534 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 9: My freshman year, I was on the dance team at 535 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 9: my school. So I was already stressed because I knew 536 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 9: my teammates were going to be like on the other 537 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 9: side of things, and even though they're I was supposed 538 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 9: to talk to you, they were like always in my ear, 539 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 9: like what we think of this? 540 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 8: We think of that. 541 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 9: So I was already stressed out. And then I'd given 542 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 9: my ro gamma whatever it's called, all of the dates 543 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 9: or like the times I couldn't do. So I told 544 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 9: them like during round two, I have a performance, like 545 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 9: I can't make this time. And it was on Zoom 546 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,360 Speaker 9: because it was during twenty twenty one one. So I 547 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 9: had told them like, I can't do this time. I 548 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 9: get my schedule back that morning and in the middle 549 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 9: of the performance is my round scheduled? And I was like, okay, 550 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 9: well there's I was too scared to go to Panalytic 551 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 9: and be like, okay, well I can't make this work. 552 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 9: I knew if I missed it that I was going 553 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 9: to hold like I'd heard rumors like oh you could 554 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,400 Speaker 9: get dropped like whatever. So it's like what can I do? 555 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 9: So I go out for the performance and it was 556 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 9: like this like neat, like introducing the athletes to the 557 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 9: student body something like really random, and I'm like, thinking 558 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 9: my brain. I can like here the chancewers are giving 559 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 9: a speech, and I'm like thinking my brain. I'm like, 560 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 9: I'm supposed to be online in one minute. Im supost 561 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 9: bee on line in one minute. So as soon as 562 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 9: the chancer's like, okay, we're going to introduce like another 563 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 9: student group, I run off the court and I immediately 564 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 9: go and I grab my laptop. I'm still in my uniform. 565 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 9: I'm sweating, and I run into the bathroom that we 566 00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 9: had like in the area. I have my ear pods 567 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 9: in and I'm like, hello, I can't you hear me? 568 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 9: Because I didn't. I knew I was zosy on zoom anyways, 569 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 9: like we were gonna go back out at some point, 570 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 9: and I knew I had, like I don't know, maybe 571 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 9: two minutes before I would have to be back out, 572 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 9: and so I started talking to this girl and then 573 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 9: at some point I just cut it off and I 574 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 9: was like just gonna like because there was nothing else 575 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 9: I could do. I could hear my director being like 576 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 9: everybody needs to come back out. Everybody needs to come 577 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 9: back out. So I was just like and I could 578 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 9: barely hear. Anyways, I'm whispering. She's like, so, what's your major? 579 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 9: And she was very quiet too. Also, it wasn't a 580 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 9: house that I was super excited about the first day too. 581 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I was gonna ask if it was 582 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 3: a house that you wanted. 583 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: I mean, you were also a part of the dance team. 584 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: You had a very big commitment. If you miss the dance, 585 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: you would have probably gotten penalized or kicked off the team. 586 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: You were a freshman, like you were also in a 587 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: very interesting situation. You did show the effort to getting 588 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: on the Zoom poll. 589 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 3: It wasn't like you were I feel like, if anything, 590 00:29:58,400 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 3: they'd be like, oh my gosh, like. 591 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, it's not like you were being completely selfish 592 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: and you know, disregarded the entire rush process. You did 593 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: make the effort to go on the Zoom, which I 594 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: would have been stressed to even do that. 595 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 3: I don't even know how you did that. 596 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 9: But I know, but I was hoping at least since 597 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 9: I did, like I technically didn't miss around, I was like, 598 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 9: maybe you would be okay, Yeah they did still log on, 599 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 9: but so that was I guess me texted, did she. 600 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: Know that like things got messed up with your schedule, 601 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: Like did you at least explain that part? 602 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 9: So this signal was so bad. I like don't even 603 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 9: think she could understand what I was saying. She did, 604 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 9: I like think that she realized I was in a stall. 605 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 9: I think she realized that I was legitimately like in 606 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 9: a bathroom stall before. And I was like, yeah, like 607 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 9: I'm sorry, like I'm kind of in the middle of things, 608 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 9: and she. 609 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 4: Was like what, like I couldn't even like son. 610 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 8: And like this. 611 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 9: Also wasn't a chapter that like a lot of chapters 612 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 9: have girls and dance team, this was not. Once she 613 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 9: was definitely like, who is this like cheerleader girl like 614 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 9: talking to me on zoom in her uniform too. She 615 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 9: probably thought it was like just pulling up in my 616 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 9: uniform and pull up my uniform. But so he didn't 617 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 9: intentionally throw around technically, but I did, I guess technically 618 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 9: misrun and I'm not I didn't end up in that chapter, 619 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 9: but that was my. 620 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 3: Soy they dropped you after that, they did? 621 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 9: They dropped. 622 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, I'm not mad at this. I'm really not. 623 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 3: I feel like you tried your bed and this is a. 624 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: Very unique situation that like doesn't happen every day. 625 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 9: But I definitely did feel bad because I didn't even 626 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 9: like remember her name or I was like, should I 627 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 9: have reached out her? But I was like, it's probably fine. 628 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 3: Things have happened. Things were you know, chaotic. Yeah, you 629 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 3: were you know, going on you you were dancing at 630 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 3: a welling. Yeah, well. 631 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 9: Yeah, so I like I knew which houses obviously I 632 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 9: was more excited about. And I think there is definitely 633 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 9: the vibe at school was like, okay, well, if you're 634 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 9: seeing ten houses in a day and like your social 635 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 9: battery only has you know so much. I think there's 636 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 9: definitely houses that, especially as the rounds got later, you 637 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 9: kind of knew. But I would say that was the 638 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 9: only time it was like for me personally, but I did. 639 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 9: I do definitely know people that were like, well, I'm 640 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 9: going into X, Y and Z, like so at least 641 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 9: I don't have to be super on or you know. 642 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: Thinking yeah, yeah, I mean you seem like a very 643 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: sweet girl, so I you know, I think the efforts 644 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: were there, and again, very unique situation, very unique scenario. 645 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: So honestly, everything happens for a reason. You got booked 646 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: during that time when you were supposed to be dancing, 647 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: so maybe that serati you know, wasn't supposed to be 648 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: for you. So well, you know, I don't think you 649 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: were intentionally trying to be rude, So I know, obviously 650 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: some people can have that attitude and think that they're 651 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: better than certain sororities, but you know, I think it's 652 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: good to go into every round really just showing your 653 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,959 Speaker 1: best efforts because you are, at the end of the day, 654 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: representing yourself, so you want people to you know, have 655 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 1: a good image and view on you and just think, 656 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: you know, show your best self. And at the end 657 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: of the day, if you got all the houses back 658 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: and you were the one eliminating them, allie take it 659 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: as a compliment at the end of the day, you. 660 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 3: Know, totally. 661 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 9: Yeah, No, I definitely agree. And also especially I don't 662 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 9: know if this keys at other schools, but at UCLA 663 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 9: for sure, everyone's friends with everyone, Like my roommates weren't 664 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 9: different supporties than me, Like you know, it wasn't like 665 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 9: so we could have easily gotten back to them like 666 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 9: other people like oh so and so like was very 667 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 9: clear like didn't want to be there, like you know whatever. 668 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,719 Speaker 9: So that's was something I think people need to know 669 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 9: before they like enter Rush, Like if you think you're 670 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 9: throwing one house, like you could be throwing five houses. 671 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 9: Like they could go home and be like tell their roommates. 672 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,919 Speaker 9: This girl was so rude, like, oh. 673 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, even think about your pie caps. 674 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if you called them roueow. I called 675 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: them pie caps. But they all, you know, as they're 676 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,280 Speaker 1: all guiding you guys, bringing you to open houses, bringing 677 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,240 Speaker 1: you to every rounds. But then they're all coming together 678 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: at the end, and each one of them are from 679 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 1: different sororities so they. 680 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 3: Could all talk too. 681 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 1: So totally, but Leslie, thank you so much for coming 682 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: on Dirty Rush, and I am happy you ended up 683 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 1: where you belonged. 684 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:42,720 Speaker 3: Good hustle. I saw the hustle.