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Speaker 1: The Big Bets on Campus Podcast podcast. Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Big Bets on Campus Podcast. I'm your host, Mike Calberies,

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Speaker 1: and I am joined by a very special guest in

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Speaker 1: today's episode. He is known across the internet as the

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft Expert. He's an obsessive ranker of players. He

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Speaker 1: is deep in the weeds from fcs G five power programs,

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Speaker 1: no stone left unturned, and he's also just a fervent collector,

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Speaker 1: as you can see here on the YouTube channel of

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Speaker 1: College Fooble Mini Helmets. Something near and dear to my

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Speaker 1: heart from Fantasy Life. We'd like to welcome Thorn Nistrom

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Speaker 1: to the show. Thor, how you.

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Speaker 2: Doing, Breeze.

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Speaker 3: It's awesome to be here with you today and that

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Speaker 3: helmet collection behind me.

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Speaker 2: People don't know this. I have you to thank for it.

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Speaker 3: You know, I followed into your footsteps on this. I

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Speaker 3: asked you all you can cooperate this. I asked you

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Speaker 3: all kinds of advice when I was starting to build

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Speaker 3: my FBS helmet collection. I've now polished those off and

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Speaker 3: we were moving on to the FCS.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's the question that I have for you right

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Speaker 1: off the jump. Missouri State Delaware. Do you already have

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Speaker 1: them in tow or they in transit? Where are you

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Speaker 1: in terms of the expanding field of the FBS teams.

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Speaker 3: I haven't found those easily yet. We might have to

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Speaker 3: go to the school bookstore. You'd think those ones will

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Speaker 3: be a little bit easier, But I haven't found those

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Speaker 1: Now, this episode, we're going to lay it out for you.

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Speaker 1: If you love college schoople, if you love the NFL Draft,

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Speaker 1: this is the perfect hybrid episode for you. We're going

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Speaker 1: to go through with some of the best picks for

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Speaker 1: the most recent draft in terms of team fits, in

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Speaker 1: terms of late round selections, those gems that teams are

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Speaker 1: hoping not only to be able to stock they're too deep,

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Speaker 1: but also to be able to help in terms of

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Speaker 1: the financial commitment for those players. And then we're going

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Speaker 1: to get into some college football look aheads for this

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Speaker 1: fall in terms of sleeper players and teams. But let's

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Speaker 1: start with the best fits in terms of draft selections.

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Speaker 1: Outside of the known quantities there in the first round.

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Speaker 1: This is really your bread and butter. These are players

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Speaker 1: that you've agonized over, You've done the evaluating really a

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Speaker 1: twelve month a year process. So let's start with a

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Speaker 1: quarterback that hopefully can be the new face of the

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Speaker 3: I'm interested to get your take on this one, Breeze,

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Speaker 3: because after following Tyler Schuck's career, I have to say,

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Speaker 3: and then doing the NFL draft stuff on the other side,

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Speaker 3: and then ended ending up going forty a kid who

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Speaker 3: flamed out three years at Oregon. They thought he was

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Speaker 3: the next Justin Herbert. Turns out he wasn't. They benched

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Speaker 3: him after three games that last season there. Then he

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Speaker 3: most advantageous quarterback situations you can For Jeff brum Right,

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Speaker 3: I'm super duper underrated quarterback whisperer. Tyler Shuck has always

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Speaker 3: had He's always had the physical ability right six five,

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Speaker 3: that was a perfect match for Tyler Shuck and his

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Speaker 2: Initially, I don't.

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Speaker 3: But my take on this one, Breeze, is one way

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when you cherry pick his film, there's some incredible

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Speaker 1: Randall Cuttingham was a quarterback who couldn't stay healthy. It

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Speaker 1: but I think that's what's interesting. It's like every single

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Speaker 3: And you know, I obviously you know I didn't stay

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Speaker 3: but for me, Schuck that the durability concerns there. I

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Speaker 1: It's also interesting that the Saints end up taking this

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Speaker 2: We both know he's going to be a bell call breeze.

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Speaker 3: He stepped in year one at Ole Miss as a

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Speaker 3: But the Browns, you take Junkins at thirty six, turn

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Speaker 2: But quin John J. Judkins gonna get all the work

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Speaker 3: Handle in neutral game scripts, right, I mean like he's

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Speaker 1: There just like a fantasy draft, this is a run

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Speaker 1: on running backs. At this point in your rankings, there's

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Speaker 3: know Breeze, Sean Payton historically loves throwing to the running backs.

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Speaker 3: To do that as well, And there was this cavernous

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Speaker 3: Because he had Caleb Johnson had a seventh percentile ten

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Speaker 1: We got two wide receivers to close out your best

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Speaker 1: Let's goose this out with Kyle Williams out of Wazoo.

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Speaker 3: he's gonna do that route break in the direction of it,

438
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Speaker 3: and then you just see the efficiency with it. It's

439
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Speaker 3: a guy who's been, as it were, in the cockpit

440
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Speaker 3: for ten thousand hours running these routes, Malcolm Gladwell, and

441
00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:27,480
Speaker 3: he knows what he's doing out there, so he is

442
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Speaker 3: going to create the throwing windows for you and then

443
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Speaker 3: the ball scales.

444
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Speaker 2: His hands are just super duper reliable.

445
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Speaker 3: I think that's a guy that Drake May is really

446
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Speaker 3: going to enjoy working with, especially the travesty of a

447
00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,760
Speaker 3: wide receiver room that it's been for Drake May up

448
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Speaker 3: till this point. I bashed the Patriots right away last

449
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Speaker 3: process for taking Jalen Polk.

450
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Speaker 2: I called him fools gold.

451
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Speaker 3: I said the third round receiver from that same team

452
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Speaker 3: was better than him, and if he didn't believe me,

453
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Speaker 3: you could just go back in the usage at Washington

454
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Speaker 3: Kaylin de boor Ryan Grubb when both Jalen McMillan and

455
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Speaker 3: Jalen Polk were on the field at the same time.

456
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Speaker 3: Jalen McMillan was always the number two option, So I

457
00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,359
Speaker 3: thought that the Raiders, I'm sorry, the Patriots made a

458
00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,760
Speaker 3: mistake with that one. This one, they didn't make a mistake.

459
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Speaker 3: Kyle Williams will be a week one starter for the

460
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Speaker 3: Patriots this coming season right away, and I think God

461
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Speaker 3: Drake May is gonna enjoy working with them.

462
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Speaker 1: So that's a wrap on your best fits just for

463
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Speaker 1: this fall. But there's some long term projects, and that's

464
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Speaker 1: not necessarily a bad thing. You know. There's teams that

465
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Speaker 1: either have a luxury to be able to work someone

466
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Speaker 1: in as a backup and get them reps in training

467
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Speaker 1: camp and then some spot work this year and hopefully

468
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Speaker 1: on the horizon they're a starter in twenty twenty six

469
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Speaker 1: and beyond. Let's start with Jalen Milroe in this category.

470
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Speaker 1: I mean, the book's basically out on him. He's a

471
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Speaker 1: freaky athlete, you know, in terms of what he can

472
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Speaker 1: do as a dual threat. He has that rare ability

473
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Speaker 1: to throw the ball far downfield with accuracy to really,

474
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Speaker 1: you know, push it downfield. And that's what a lot

475
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Speaker 1: of NFL teams they talk about. Those players do not

476
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Speaker 1: grow on trees. There's very few opportunities to select someone

477
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Speaker 1: who can be accurate at thirty five forty yards down

478
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Speaker 1: the field. But we do know that he just struggles

479
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Speaker 1: with consistency and that it media and passing range. And

480
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Speaker 1: I guess that's where my question pops up for Milroe.

481
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Speaker 1: Do you think it's a mechanics thing. Do you think

482
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Speaker 1: it's him looking at the defense and not being able

483
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Speaker 1: to process fast enough or is it purely a decision

484
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Speaker 1: making element? And if it's a part of you know,

485
00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,359
Speaker 1: let's call it a half scoop of all three. Is

486
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Speaker 1: that fixable without just throwing him into the fire and

487
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,720
Speaker 1: trying to figure it out on the fly in the NFL?

488
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,480
Speaker 2: Theoretically, yeah, theoretically it is.

489
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 3: You have to give him the year, right like the

490
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Speaker 3: Ravens did with Lamar, and maybe longer for Milroe.

491
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Speaker 2: We'll have to see.

492
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,119
Speaker 3: And then also you have to build that offensive system

493
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,879
Speaker 3: around him. We don't need him to become awesome with

494
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 3: the anticipatory timing throws it needs to become for him

495
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 3: a get by pitch right Like in base The way

496
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Speaker 3: I think about it is like you have guys in

497
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Speaker 3: college that you know their era is like zero point.

498
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Speaker 3: I'm not a baseball guy, but like you know, it's

499
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 3: where it's like one or whatever, and it's because they

500
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,399
Speaker 3: can throw one hundred and two miles an hour and

501
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,640
Speaker 3: they just blow everyone away. But then you go into

502
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 3: the minor leagues and the further that you go up there,

503
00:21:58,160 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 3: all of a sudden it's like, oh, I can't just

504
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,199
Speaker 3: get people out by rear and back and firing. I

505
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 3: need to at least have some sort of change up.

506
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 3: I need to have some sort of get me by

507
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:10,120
Speaker 3: breaking pitch. So professional hitters can't just sit back dead

508
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,640
Speaker 3: red in the batter's box on the heat right because

509
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,199
Speaker 3: they're going to start parking balls on me. You have

510
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 3: the same thing here where Milroe just needs to do

511
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 3: enough to force defense and do at least consider defending

512
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,199
Speaker 3: the middle of the field, right because you already have

513
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 3: the sort of paradox of defending him of one of

514
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 3: the better downfield throwers that is coming to the NFL

515
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 3: last twenty years. That's not hyperbole. He was an absolute

516
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 3: assass and he has that elastic sort of easy arm

517
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Speaker 3: strength that Michael Vick did.

518
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Speaker 2: And his deep balls are a thing of beauty.

519
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 3: The placement of them, the dropping it into the bucket

520
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 3: even shields it away from the defenders, Like I just

521
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,920
Speaker 3: love him downfield. And then you have a guy who's

522
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Speaker 3: going to be one of the most dangerous scramblers in

523
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Speaker 3: NFL history if he can get onto the field.

524
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Speaker 2: Who was Andrew Berry? The Brown GM was the week

525
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 2: two before the draft said, Andrew Barry believes he's faster

526
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 2: than Lamar Jackson, Jalen milrowan he's more powerful as well.

527
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 2: That more evokes Jalen hurts.

528
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 3: Lamar obviously is twitchire right, and you can make people

529
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Speaker 3: miss a little bit more.

530
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Speaker 2: But you have a really interesting skill set here.

531
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Speaker 3: And I was fascinated by what Seattle did here their

532
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,679
Speaker 3: whole deal with the quarterbacks this offseason. You basically you

533
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,159
Speaker 3: get a third round pick out of trading Gino to

534
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Speaker 3: the Raiders that aforementioned trade. Then you bring in Sam

535
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Speaker 3: Donald on a contract that could ultimately be a discount, right,

536
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 3: I mean everyone in the public and then the media

537
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 3: thought Sam Darnald was going to sign for more than

538
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Speaker 3: that on that multi year deal.

539
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Speaker 2: He didn't.

540
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Speaker 3: His AAV wasn't even close to the franchise tag for

541
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Speaker 3: the one year thing. You know, it was thirty and

542
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Speaker 3: change or whatever for Sam. If Sam is anything close

543
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 3: to what he was last year for the Vikings, well great,

544
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 3: you got your starting quarterback at a barely cheap price

545
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 3: against the market. If he's not, the way that that

546
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,479
Speaker 3: contract was set up is that you can get out

547
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 3: of it fairly quickly. And and so they've drafted a

548
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 3: developmental quarterback to take a look at, and they got

549
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Speaker 3: just about the most intriguing one in this class with

550
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Speaker 3: the physical tools.

551
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Speaker 2: Can you teach him that?

552
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 3: Can you you know, get that offense around him and

553
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 3: construct that We'll find out. But yeah, I commed out

554
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 3: Milrod to Happy Gilmour that that whole thing about the

555
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 3: crush and the ball, but then struggles with the putting.

556
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 3: Can we teach him the putting? But the last point,

557
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,120
Speaker 3: Breeze the two things you have to address there. Milroe

558
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 3: likes to see the receiver open before he throws right,

559
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 3: and that sort of the anecdote to the idea of

560
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 3: anticipatory throwing, which is throwing at the route break before

561
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 3: the guy's turned around, right, or throwing them open right.

562
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that stuff that we don't see from Milroe,

563
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 3: and the timing stuff, it gets thrown off. That's why

564
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Speaker 3: Debor was I was gonna say, pulling his hair out,

565
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 3: but he doesn't have any more of that. But Debor

566
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 3: was getting very frustrated with him because those timing concepts

567
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 3: were de Boor in the past. You know, in Penix

568
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 3: he got really good with this under Debor of getting

569
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Speaker 3: the ball out on time, you know, like a watchm

570
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Speaker 3: kind of a thing. And Milroe he doesn't do that

571
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Speaker 3: because he wants to see you open. And then the

572
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 3: other thing is that that easy elastic arm strength I

573
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 3: was talking about that sling shot thing. He does it

574
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 3: on every throw, including where, including on screen passes and such, right,

575
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 3: And that's that's something we got to get more nuance

576
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 3: on that.

577
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 2: His arm strength.

578
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 3: It shines even when we're not deep taking that sort

579
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 3: of hole shots down the sidelines.

580
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Speaker 2: That stuff is great.

581
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 3: We have to get him some nuance and Debor only

582
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 3: got the year with him and obviously got frustrated that

583
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 3: Milroe goes to the league. What we saw in twenty

584
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 3: twenty three with Milroe under Tommy Reese, we need an

585
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 3: offensive system that's more designed like that. Last year that

586
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 3: changes that Bama made. Milroe ran for about the same

587
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 3: amount of yardage twenty twenty four to twenty twenty three,

588
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 3: But last year under de Boor those yards came from

589
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Speaker 3: design quarterback runs, whereas the year before the bulk of

590
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,199
Speaker 3: Milroe's rushing yards came from scrambles. I believe that as

591
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 3: an offensive play caller, you have to give Jalen Milroe

592
00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 3: the option on every passing concept of if you don't

593
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 3: like what you see, you can run. Debor did not

594
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 3: leave that option on the table for him. He wanted

595
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 3: to ball out on the passing concepts. I don't think

596
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 3: that was a great fit. I think the Seahawks, you

597
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 3: know what they're getting here, and they're giving themselves some

598
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 3: developmental runway to work with and see if they can

599
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 3: hit a grand Slam with a Round three pick.

600
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Speaker 1: This next player a skill position player. This kind of

601
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 1: brings up a question that I have with many NFL prospects,

602
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: which is, if you were in a perfect offensive system

603
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 1: with a great play caller, how much of your production

604
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,199
Speaker 1: can be traced back to that play caller? And in

605
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, Andy Cole nicky, he's a genius. He

606
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: was constantly getting players in space. Seventeen total touchdowns for

607
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: Devin Neil, so last fall was a prove it to

608
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 1: me situation. The whole offense was kind of stuck in

609
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: the mud. In September, He's still finished with seventeen total touchdowns.

610
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Speaker 1: I think this guy could be one of the steals

611
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: of the draft, and you think he could be a

612
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 1: long term answer as a situational third down kind of

613
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 1: back for the Saints and then maybe in the future

614
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Speaker 1: being a featured back.

615
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna get run as a starter someday

616
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 3: for sure, Devin Neil. I think initially, yeah, you mix

617
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 3: and match him with Kamara. Obviously Kamara getting long in

618
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 3: the two. I believe that Devin Neil will show enough

619
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 3: where he will be considered the Staints starting running back

620
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 3: of the future. We knew in this again, going back

621
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 3: to the historically stacked running back class, that there was

622
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 3: gonna be guys that got pushed down further than they

623
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 3: should have if Devin Neil had been in the previous class,

624
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 3: the crappy running back class the year before, late third

625
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 3: round pick mid third round pick at absolute worst top

626
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 3: of the fourth and you end up getting him in

627
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 3: the sixth tier just because the amount of bodies that

628
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 3: we had in the running back class. But yeah, I

629
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 3: think he's underrated. Breeze for some of those points that

630
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 3: you're bringing up. You know, it's a kid who stayed home,

631
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 3: came from Lawrence, stayed with the Jayhawks, and Jayhawks they

632
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 3: were able to make some bowl games here in recent years.

633
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 3: Obviously not the highest profile deal, but last year they

634
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 3: had that weird season. You go from one of the

635
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 3: best offensive coordinators in college football and cottle Neck too,

636
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 3: in my opinion, the worst. And I found it so

637
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 3: funny when Wisconsin hired Grimes, when every single Jeff Grimes,

638
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 3: every single fan base has celebrated the departure of Jeff Grimes,

639
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 3: and now Luke Fickle is counting on Jeff Grimes to

640
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 3: be his savior at Wisconsin. Good luck with that. But

641
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 3: devinil was able to overcome that. He was able to

642
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 3: overcome some quarterback injuries last year. He was able to

643
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 3: overcome Kansas not playing any home games last year. There

644
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 3: was construction on the stadium, so Kansas played some of

645
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 3: their home games home games at Arrowhead and then the

646
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 3: other ones were at the MLS Soccer Stadium this year.

647
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 3: You know, obviously going back to Lawrence, but Devin Neil's game.

648
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 3: The thing that I love about it and the thing

649
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 3: that's unique about it is for a two hundred and

650
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 3: twenty plus pound back, he's got the sweetest feet you'll

651
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 3: ever see, and it's very subtle with his footwork, but

652
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 3: he sort of paints this mirage for defenders because of

653
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 3: the way that he moves and how clean his cuts

654
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 3: are and he'll string together like micro cuts, so he's

655
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 3: like the sort of shimmering moving target for defenders coming

656
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 3: downhill who.

657
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 2: Rarely hit him flush.

658
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 3: You will rarely see a guy hit Devin Neil flush,

659
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 3: and he's bouncing off your arm angle attempts. And then

660
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 3: this is another guy in Deviniel where he will be

661
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 3: a better receiver at the next level than he was

662
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 3: at Kansas. This one skewed even more than r. J.

663
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 2: Harvey.

664
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 3: Kansas had three senior starting receivers last year. They had

665
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 3: a senior starting tight end as well. When they went

666
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 3: to the air, it was throwing to those guys further

667
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 3: down the field. Devin Neil was always used as a

668
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 3: checkdown guy. We didn't get to see him as much

669
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 3: beyond the line of scrimmage. He was another guy that

670
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 3: was destroying people in the postseason All Star Game as

671
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 3: a rout runner beyond the line of scrimmage. You're gonna

672
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,239
Speaker 3: see way more of that in the NFL, seeing his

673
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 3: feet beat people before the ball has been thrown in space.

674
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 3: You ain't seen a linebacker strong safety stay with Deviannille

675
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 3: in the NFL beyond the line of scrimmage and same

676
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 3: kind of a thing. And then he's a problem in

677
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 3: space when he's got the ball. So I think Devin

678
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 3: Neil was a steal in the draft.

679
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: Direct question for your next one Toaz Brooks out of

680
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: Texas Tech over three thousand rushing yards in the past

681
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: two seasons. Where do you come down on wear and tear.

682
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: A ton of carries, a ton of focus, and the

683
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: offense essentially running through him at times in Lubbock. Do

684
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: you think that puts too much wear on his tires

685
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: heading into his pro career.

686
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 3: I think the NFL ultimately was punitive with him because

687
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 3: of that thing that you're saying, and also I think

688
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 3: they were sleeping a bit on his athleticism. I think

689
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 3: people thought he was a bum athlete, like Kyle Manonggai

690
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 3: turned out to be a bum athlete.

691
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 2: But TODJ.

692
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 3: Brooks, he had some of the best agility scores that

693
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 3: we saw, and he actually ran a faster forty then

694
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 3: we thought as well. I thought that might get him

695
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 3: a little bit above where he ended up going, but

696
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 3: he still fell into that range again, another guy caught

697
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 3: on the wrong end of the numbers game in this

698
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 3: crazy deep running back class.

699
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 2: But TODJ.

700
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 3: Brooks, you see that agility all over his film. It's

701
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 3: an all time bowling ball frame right built way down there,

702
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 3: loaded the ground, but dense, dense, dense, and then.

703
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 2: He's super shifty. So you get this dichotomy of this

704
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,479
Speaker 2: loaded the ground runner, super shifty who has tackle breaking power.

705
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 2: I think between the tackles, he's gonna have a lot

706
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 2: of success in the NFL short yardage, gonna have a

707
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: lot of success. And then he's also and this aspect

708
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 2: of his game was super underrated. I thought under discussed

709
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 2: during the draft process a big value add on passing

710
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: downs because he was one of his classes better at

711
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 2: pass blocking running backs and he did it over a

712
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 2: big sample of work right where we had a lot

713
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 2: of matadors in this class that didn't want to get

714
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 2: involved with pass pro or they'd yank him off the field,

715
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 2: and they didn't have many reps with that. Todge Brooks,

716
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 2: we saw a lot.

717
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 3: He will be a value add and I think a

718
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 3: part of the reason he was brought in is for

719
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 3: those pass blocking for to be essentially a bouncer for

720
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow right on third downs, third and lungs. You're

721
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 3: going to bring him in and he will take care

722
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 3: of the first sign of danger there. Todge Brooks, he's

723
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 3: also a reliable receiver. He's not as dynamic, but he

724
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 3: doesn't drop the ball, and then you get the same

725
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 3: thing of the shifty bowling buy. I just think of

726
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 3: the bowling ball like on the slick lane that the

727
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 3: guys that can do the spin. That's kind of how

728
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 3: I think of with todge Brooks with the agility, with

729
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 3: that power and built load of the ground.

730
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: All right, so far, we've had baseball, we've had bowling.

731
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: I'm hoping we can touch every single sport in terms of.

732
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 2: The comparasailing in there eventually.

733
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: All right, let's speed run through some of the best

734
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: late round selections before we start talking college football in

735
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: the upcoming season, and let's start with the guy who

736
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: spent the most agonizing time in the green room, and

737
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: that was shade Or Sanders. You can't talk to a

738
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: college football or pro football fan without a polarizing answer,

739
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: So what they think his future is going to look

740
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: like at the pro level? He lands in Cleveland also

741
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: in that strange quarterback room. Talk me through what you're

742
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: seeing with Sanders and if you have to separate out

743
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: personality and what you see on film, or if you

744
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: can kind of blend both together and hold both ideas

745
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: and you're had at the same time.

746
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you you sort of have to with this

747
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 3: discussion separate them out a bit because the reason that

748
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 3: he win in the fifth rounder has nothing to do

749
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 3: with his game on the field. And you know, like

750
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 3: during the you know that mel Kuiper stuff and him

751
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 3: going nuts about all that. I think that it's easy

752
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 3: for Shadeer Sanders fans to be like, oh, that doesn't matter,

753
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 3: and the NFL is being overly punative and YadA YadA,

754
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 3: and then it's too easy for people that don't like

755
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 3: him to just be like, yeah, that's who he is, right,

756
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 3: you know, I'm sort of in the middle with it,

757
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 3: but it's is you know when I when I'm able

758
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 3: to separate those two. Just the on field profile, you

759
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 3: just watch his film. He was one of the two

760
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 3: best quarterbacks in this class just on the field over

761
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 3: the last four years. I'm not talking one last year.

762
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 3: Last two years of Colorado. He played behind the Swiss

763
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 3: Cheese offensive lines on teams that didn't have any semblance

764
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 3: of a running game, so opponents defensive fronts were just

765
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 3: able to tee off on him. And I know he

766
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 3: took some bad sacks, right, And there's the narrative about

767
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 3: the drifting in the pocket. That's probably the thing you're

768
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 3: going to be working on him with. But I like

769
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 3: his pocket mobility. I also like his toughness. That's a

770
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 3: kid who took it on the chin quite a bit.

771
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 3: It's a guy who will step into throws and take

772
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 3: a big shot. But the elite parts of his game,

773
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 3: it's accuracy and placement. It's a guy who was always

774
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 3: leading his dude into space. He was always shielding the

775
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 3: ball away from defenders. I think that those are elite trades.

776
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 3: The NFL seemed intent to deliver the messaging to Shadeer

777
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 3: Sanders that if you don't come into the building and work,

778
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 3: you're going to be out of here real quick. So

779
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 3: I just that seems to be a fact from what

780
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 3: we were told over draft weekend. But this situation here,

781
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 3: you get in the NFL. They were mentioning this, it's

782
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 3: not a cliche. You get in there, it doesn't matter

783
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 3: where you're picked, they're going to play the best player,

784
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 3: particularly a coaching staff that's on the hottest seat in

785
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 3: the NFL and an administration that might be on the

786
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 3: hottest seat with regards to that in the NFL as well.

787
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 3: If Shadeer Sanders goes there, shows up to work and

788
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 3: is the best quarterback in camp this year, you're going

789
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 3: to see Shadeer Sanders early. They're not keeping him off

790
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 3: the field on a cone of that. The stuff with

791
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 3: his interviews and stuff like that that I heard some

792
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 3: stuff about that as well, some stuff even while the

793
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 3: draft was going that that kept pushing him, filtering him

794
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 3: down the board. Some some that I can't mention the specifics.

795
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:52,959
Speaker 2: Of what I heard.

796
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 3: But the thing, the best quote that I heard about

797
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 3: it was that I forgot if as a culture a scout,

798
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 3: but said that Shadeer Sanders treated his is pre draft

799
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 3: process and the team visits as recruiting trips as opposed

800
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 3: to job interviews, and that's I think that's what it

801
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 3: is that encapsulates it about as well as anyone said

802
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 3: it in my opinion, just sort of that attitude. It

803
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 3: does seem like he got humbled and so we're gonna

804
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 3: find out this summer. I've never seen a situation like

805
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 3: this where there is so much importance on a player's

806
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 3: behavior inside the building and in the summer, in his

807
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 3: first training camp, as there will be with Shadeer Sanders.

808
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,439
Speaker 3: So but he knows what the situation is now. It's

809
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 3: it's eyes wide open on this and and he phoned

810
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 3: perfect situation.

811
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 2: That quarterback room is cheeks.

812
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: All right, I'll get one question on the record for you.

813
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: We can go back and play this clip in you know,

814
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: four or five years over under thirty career starts for

815
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: Shadar Sanders.

816
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 2: Easy over for me. Right there we go.

817
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: You're you're locking in there. Let's go from offense to defense.

818
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: Joshua Farmer talked me through what the Patriots are getting

819
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: lead in the draft.

820
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 3: This one surprised me with how far Joshua Farmer fell

821
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 3: down board. Look, he came from the travesy of the

822
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 3: situation last year at Florida State, right, and not a

823
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 3: lot of people acquitted themselves super duper well. But as

824
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 3: far as the skill set of Joshua Farmer, the athleticism,

825
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 3: the first step, his ability to crash the gates and

826
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 3: pull pins onto grenades beat after the snap, I couldn't

827
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 3: believe in with that game. And then the environment that

828
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 3: we found ourselves in in this particular NFL draft, where

829
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 3: the trench guys were getting pulled up right. I mean,

830
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 3: you saw the three offensive tackles taking top nine. You

831
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 3: saw the first guard off the board at twelve, with

832
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,959
Speaker 3: the interior defensive line class those top four consensus guys

833
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 3: Harman being the last one off the board by the Steelers.

834
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 3: Pick guys were getting shoved up the board. There was

835
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 3: very few where it went the other way. Farmer and

836
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 3: Darius Alexander would be the two that I could point

837
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 3: to on the interior defensive line. I think that the

838
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 3: Patriots got to steal on this one. With Farmer falling

839
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 3: down there, I don't know why he fell through the

840
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 3: cracks maybe it was just the situation coming from Florida

841
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,919
Speaker 3: State last year, but I think that kid can play,

842
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 3: and I think they got a long term tributed there.

843
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 1: Talking through a Tennessee guy, they go to the farm

844
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: out at Stanford. They grab a wide receiver who, when

845
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: you flip on the tape against Travis Hunter two years ago,

846
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: may have got the best of the heisen winner.

847
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:11,439
Speaker 2: He sure did. Yeah.

848
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 3: I mean that's of course, where we were all more

849
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 3: or less introduced. I'm an or right. Breeze was when

850
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 3: he was going nuts on Colorado in that overtime game

851
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 3: whatever you but you see over over the course of

852
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 3: time with him, this skill set where I thought he

853
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 3: was offering something to the NFL more than the pick

854
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 3: he ended up going with.

855
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 2: He they took him one thirty six.

856
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 3: I had i a Nor sixtieth on my board, and

857
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 3: the receiver class this year it's stunk, and so a

858
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 3: receiver who has this kind of physical ability, I was

859
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 3: again just surprised he fell the one thirty six.

860
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 2: I am a Nor.

861
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 3: He was never in a situation. He's never been in

862
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 3: a good football situation. He came from Canada, right, and

863
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 3: then he came to the sport late. Then he's, you know,

864
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 3: comes from Canada. Then he goes to Stanford and their

865
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 3: passing offense during his time there was horrible. At the

866
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 3: NFL combine, I asked, I Ony know about this in

867
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 3: the nicest way that I was able to phrase the

868
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 3: question of like, you know, you you come from Canada

869
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 3: and then you know, the last couple of years your

870
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 3: college career at Stanford not the best passing environment. You know,

871
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 3: like your pre draft process, you know, are you you know?

872
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 3: You know, basically like excited to get out there and

873
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 3: run at the NFL Combine and showed the NFL you

874
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 3: know what you have from athletic standpoint and stuff like that,

875
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 3: and he was laughing. He was like, he goes, people

876
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 3: don't even realize that I'm I was a track guy

877
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 3: in Canada.

878
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 2: It's it's a big guy six two two oh six

879
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 2: and he's a track star that you know.

880
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 3: People did not think he was going to test as

881
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 3: well as he did, even though he's been doing this

882
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 3: for a really long time. He ran the four four

883
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 3: four forty thirty eight and a half inch vert at that.

884
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: Size, there are things to work on.

885
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 3: There's still some rawnas there, right, I mean, you know again,

886
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 3: and you can explain the ranas because of his situation.

887
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 3: Got to still work on the release package, got to

888
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 3: do some stuff working on the routes, and I think

889
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 3: his route tree is going to be sort of naturally

890
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 3: prone for him. This the guy that that profiles to

891
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 3: me as a number two wide receiver ideally where you

892
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 3: get some possession elements out of him, but you also

893
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 3: get the cool downtown stuff. He's very competitive, he can

894
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 3: get off the carpet, clearly has wheels at that big size.

895
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 3: We just have to make sure there's some rudimentary aspects

896
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 3: of that footwork off the line. This is sort of

897
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 3: your bizarro Kyle Williams, and it didn't manifest as much

898
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 3: in college. But there's gonna be some of those big

899
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 3: long arm corners, you know, the stretch armstrong types. I'd

900
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 3: love to give you the fibulator into the chest. You

901
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 3: need to see some more nuance from Iam Minora's footwork

902
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 3: off the line, But if he takes care of that,

903
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 3: he's got everything else he needs to be a long

904
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 3: term starter.

905
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: Your Saints fan, this has been the podcast for you.

906
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about another draft pick in the

907
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: big easy Quincy Riley coming out of Louisville. Do you

908
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 1: think he can step in and be a nickel corner

909
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: right away for the Saints.

910
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 3: I do, yeah, Quincy Riley he got slept down Cuyse

911
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 3: a little bit older. I think he came out after

912
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 3: the fifth year, but we saw him, you know, we

913
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 3: got to see him starting several years in the ACC.

914
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 3: He is I don't want I want to say JayR

915
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 3: Alexander because I don't like the helmet scout and he's

916
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 3: also not as good as Jaire Alexander. But coming out

917
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 3: of the Louisville you can think of him as a

918
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 3: discount version of that. Jaire Alexander was nitpicked for the

919
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:15,280
Speaker 3: same thing at a higher profile, higher price point during

920
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 3: his pre draft process as Riley was here. I'm not

921
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 3: going to put it past Riley either, by the way,

922
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 3: to be a boundary corner in the NFL, there are

923
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 3: some some the measurables. Of course, there are the concern

924
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 3: but you have the feistiness with both of those guys.

925
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 3: I love the way that they play guys off the line,

926
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 3: super duper sticky. It's like those are guys where they're

927
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 3: covering you off the bus. Kind of a thing you

928
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 3: just cannot get rid of him. Just love the way

929
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 3: that he plays the game, his his style of coverage,

930
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 3: love the footwork. He doesn't get fooled. It's difficult to

931
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 3: bait him. So I think Quincy Riley is going to

932
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 3: prove to be a steal at the NFL level. Who

933
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 3: was only available where he was because of the measurables,

934
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 3: not the skiller, not what we saw in the field.

935
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,919
Speaker 1: The last one here on your list for a late

936
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 1: round gems Damien Martinez, and just such an interesting guy

937
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: in terms of his career path at Oregon State, someone

938
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: who burst onto the scene. He clearly demonstrated just visually,

939
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: you could watch him and you could think back to

940
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: some greats from Oregon State, like Stephen Jackson. But then

941
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: they just wouldn't give him the ball inside the five,

942
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: So those touchdown numbers weren't there. He goes to Miami

943
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: and last year, Miami with so many mouths, defeat offensively

944
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: and cam Ward pops off. So obviously he could have

945
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: very easily in the past two years had ten additional touchdowns.

946
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: Do you think that played a part at all into

947
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: the overall discussion on him from a production standpoint and

948
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 1: why he slid so late in the draft.

949
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 2: I think that had a part to do with it.

950
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I see it a little bit different breeze, like

951
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 3: you know, as you know watching Oregon State earlier, it

952
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 3: was a totally different system than the one that Damien

953
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 3: found himself in last year with Miami and with Oregon State,

954
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 3: it was more the downhill stuff. There was more blockers

955
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 3: for you, for sure, but you also had more guys

956
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 3: in the box, right, so we got to see him

957
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 3: in more cramp quarters in the way that that his

958
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 3: game manifested there and and I.

959
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 2: Like the way that it did. He has the power

960
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 2: with the agility.

961
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 3: He has really sweet feet as well, can make people miss.

962
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 3: It's another tough guy to get a straight on shot of.

963
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 3: It's a guy who runs bigger than his size. It's

964
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 3: funny he was he was listed at UH. I believe

965
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 3: it was two forty one at Oregon State, and then

966
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 3: I think last year was like two thirty six, at

967
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 3: two thirty five. They listened about it at Miami or whatever,

968
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 3: and at the Senior Bawl, I was talking to Martinez

969
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 3: and I was like, did you drop that weight uh

970
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 3: to go to Miami because you were playing in the

971
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 3: more wide open system and you were you were going

972
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 3: to see the thinner boxes. He wanted to be a

973
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 3: little bit more agile, but you know, I was like,

974
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 3: I know you were at the two forty playing in

975
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 3: more of the pro style one. And he looks at

976
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 3: me and he kind of smirks any chuckles, and he goes, dude,

977
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 3: I've never played a game at two hundred and forty

978
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 3: pounds or even two thirty five plus. And he you know,

979
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 3: they were exaggerating his size, but you wouldn't have known

980
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 3: it from the way he ran at Oregon State, right,

981
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 3: and then last year a Miami you mentioned it, they

982
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 3: had so many mouths to feed in it was arial

983
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 3: leaning even even so, right, I mean the early downs,

984
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 3: a lot of the downs where other teams would be

985
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 3: running the ball. There's a lot of quick hitting concepts.

986
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 3: And then even with the runners like you mentioned, and

987
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 3: you had sort of the hockey line with that. I

988
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 3: think this guy is better than he was given credit

989
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 3: for by the NFL. I think it was circumstances that

990
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 3: pushed Jamian Martinez down the board. It's not a and

991
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 3: the other thing that did was not a receiver. I

992
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 3: wouldn't have on the field for the receiving downs, but

993
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 3: the passing downs, but as an early down grinder and

994
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 3: the short yardage. I thought he was one of the

995
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 3: better ones in this class. So I'm pretty bullish on

996
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 3: Damian Martinez at the next level.

997
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: The last three we'll just go through quickly in terms

998
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: of unknown commodities. Brishard Smith out of SMU, Jalen Royals

999
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: at a Utah State, and then Tory Horden from Colorado State.

1000
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: Horden dealing with injuries last year. You know Smith out

1001
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: of you know SMU, You could argue that potentially he

1002
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: can make a position switch or be more useful in

1003
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 1: the passing game than necessarily as a traditional runner, at

1004
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: least what he put on tape, you know, the projections

1005
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: for a guy like him coming out of college. And

1006
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: then Royle's another player who got hurt late in his

1007
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: college career, but when he was cooking, he was the

1008
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 1: only thing going for Utah State offensively, and he still

1009
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: found a way to be incredibly productive on a weekly basis.

1010
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: Of those three, who would you be least surprised to

1011
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: see make a jump and be a significant contributor offensively

1012
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: within the first two years in the NFL, the.

1013
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 3: Chiefs guys, I think they both found really good landing spots,

1014
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 3: and Breshard Smith and Jalen Royal's Royals. You get to

1015
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 3: a situation where a whole bunch of those veteran receivers

1016
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 3: with the Chiefs left, so there's opportunity to, you know,

1017
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,479
Speaker 3: not only be one of the value sort of depth

1018
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 3: guys initially, but to even potentially push for playing time.

1019
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 3: He only fell through the cracks because he did in

1020
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 3: high school recruiting as well, and he had to go

1021
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 3: to the military academy in Georgia for a It was

1022
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 3: in the shadow of Kirby Smart's empire there. They just

1023
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,439
Speaker 3: totally missed him. And then he goes to Utah State,

1024
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 3: ends up breaking out the last two years, but then

1025
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 3: coming off injury, another reason he ends up getting pushed down.

1026
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 3: Burchard Smith to me is fascinating. Bershard Smith was the

1027
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 3: Tyrone Tracy of this class. Tyrone Tracy starts the career

1028
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 3: and I was the receiver. After he transferred to Purdue,

1029
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 3: he found his destiny at running back, and the NFL

1030
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 3: didn't have enough exposure to him with Snaps there to

1031
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 3: draft him any higher.

1032
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,760
Speaker 2: They should have same thing here with Burchhard Smith.

1033
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 3: In his case, slot receiver at Miami couldn't get on

1034
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 3: in the field because if a guy named Xavier Rostrepo

1035
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 3: and then he ends up going to SMU, SMU was like, well,

1036
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 3: let's try this get out at running back, and it

1037
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 3: turns out he was a really, really good one. Burchard

1038
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 3: Smith one of the best receiving backs in this class,

1039
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 3: and he's another guy like at the senior ball is

1040
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 3: so fun watching him be on the line of scrimmage

1041
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 3: running the routes because again you're going up against these

1042
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 3: these linebackers and then these strong safeties and none of

1043
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 3: them could stay with him. Like the angle routes weren't fair.

1044
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 3: You know, they would bite up on it and then

1045
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 3: you'd just be running free down the field and stuff

1046
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 3: like that. You have to deal with the slot receiver

1047
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 3: coming out of the backfield. With Brishard Smith. Remember how

1048
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 3: many years ago, five six years ago went the famous

1049
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 3: story of Pat Mahomes telling the GM with the Chiefs

1050
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 3: that he wanted Clyde Edwards e Lair in the first round.

1051
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,720
Speaker 3: This time obviously, that didn't work out. This time around.

1052
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 3: You get Brichard Smith pushed down to you in the

1053
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 3: seventh round, they might have found what they thought that

1054
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 3: they were getting in the first round with Clyde Edwards,

1055
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 3: d layer in Brichard Smith, a guy who I think

1056
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 3: is going to factor and immediately on passing downs.

1057
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: As I mentioned at the top, we're now going to

1058
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: transition to talk about the coming college fooball season, and

1059
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: I like to frame the first question like this, the

1060
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: Ashton genties of the world, they walked out that door.

1061
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,439
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter's gone. You know, a lot of the major

1062
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: award winner's gone, but the collegeable world keeps spinning of

1063
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: the massive superstars that left the college game. Which replacement

1064
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: are you most confident in this fall to have very

1065
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: little drop off or in a rare case or two,

1066
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: surpass what the big man on campus did for that

1067
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: program last year.

1068
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course arch man, it would be the obvious

1069
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 3: answer for this. But so what we won't talk about him.

1070
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 3: I think Julian saying casual football fans out there. You know,

1071
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 3: he might not be aware of Julian's saying. The Ohio

1072
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 3: State quarterback, but he's gonna be stepping in next year.

1073
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 3: He can get to throw to Jeremiah Smith and all

1074
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 3: the different toys with Ohio State and Julian saying coming

1075
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 3: out of high school his recruiting class, like the Elite eleven,

1076
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,760
Speaker 3: he was the best thrower of the football there drawn

1077
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 3: Ooz and Oz. I remember getting a phone call from

1078
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 3: someone that was actually from our mutual friend Breeze. Eric

1079
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 3: Frohton was at that Elite eleven and he called me

1080
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 3: right after was just gushing about Julian said, He's like,

1081
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 3: this kid is going to be absolutely amazing. He was

1082
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 3: putting the balls through the tires and doing whatever he

1083
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 3: wanted with the balls whatever. So Julian saying, is going

1084
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 3: to be a superstar starting next year. The other two

1085
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 3: that I wanted to mention shout out, you have a

1086
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 3: two step here in CJ. Carr, who will now be

1087
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 3: taking over at notre name for Riley Leonard as opposed

1088
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,240
Speaker 3: to the guy that we all thought would be Steve

1089
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 3: Peanut Butter and Angelly who we saw in limited exposure

1090
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 3: last year a couple of times when Riley Leonard got

1091
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,760
Speaker 3: knocked out, including in a high profile spot, and Jelly

1092
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 3: I thought that kid was good. I was sort of

1093
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 3: surprised that what ended up happening there in Jelly transfers

1094
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 3: to Syracuse, where he is going to take over for

1095
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 3: com Court. So now both Carr and and Jelly get

1096
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 3: to take over for guys who were drafted into the NFL. Angelly,

1097
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 3: I think at Syracuse you don't have to change much

1098
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 3: of what you were doing there with McCord. It's a

1099
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 3: similar kind of a guy, and it's a guy who

1100
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 3: I think will attack downfield for you. Syracuse, they're reconstituting

1101
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 3: their wide receiver room. They lost a whole bunch of

1102
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 3: guys there, but we'll see, you know, and then of

1103
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 3: course Gadson as well if you toss them into that.

1104
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 3: But they still have weapons there in their system. They

1105
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 3: like to attack down the field. I think Angelly will

1106
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 3: give you that. And then CJ. Carr, who the coaching

1107
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 3: staff at notre name obviously likes, be curious to see

1108
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 3: what they end up getting out of him replacing Riley Leonard.

1109
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: No, you bring up Syracuse. They were one of my

1110
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: favorite teams to play with in Collegeable twenty five, the

1111
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: a sports video game release. I mean, the fre Animal

1112
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: did an incredible job turning around that entire team in

1113
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: one year, and when you look at their playbook, lots

1114
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,439
Speaker 1: of RPOs force the defense to play fifty three yards

1115
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: across the field. You mentioned Gadson in terms of being

1116
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: a mismatch Leaquinn Allen was also phenomenal in terms of

1117
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: being paired with that receiving court. You couldn't stack the box.

1118
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: There was weapons everywhere, which is kind of strange to

1119
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 1: think about a Syracuse team. If you had said that

1120
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: last year, that would have been wishful thinking, if not

1121
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: a pipe dream, to say that. It was a pick

1122
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: your poison situation. And then defensively they had some nice pieces,

1123
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: you know, Fidele digs on the on the edge was

1124
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: a real tear for them. So in terms of two

1125
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: or three teams in the video game, they were my

1126
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 1: favorite to rock with. Who is your favorite team from

1127
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 1: this past year?

1128
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 2: To play with?

1129
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 3: The Kansas jayhograph, you know, I mean that that's kind

1130
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 3: of Homer. But they did have the three different offensive

1131
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 3: guys that were ninety plus in the ratings, like top

1132
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 3: one hundred overall players in the game in Daniel's Neil

1133
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 3: and the Kobe Bryant, So you know, they you do

1134
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 3: stuff there with them. I like playing with all the teams,

1135
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 3: and of course Breeze. You know, we do the same

1136
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 3: thing where we take over the crappy team and build

1137
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 3: them up. But like the Alma Maters, are always right

1138
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 3: there at the top. You just can't really get away

1139
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 3: from him. So that's I would say them.

1140
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: One lass question related to all the NFL draft work

1141
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: that you do in terms of coaches that are not

1142
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: just talent evaluators, but you know, they essentially put these

1143
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: kids through the process. They make them better than when

1144
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: they arrived on campus, whether it's the power for the

1145
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: G five, is their coaching staff or two that you

1146
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: look at on an annual basis, They got their hands

1147
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: on three star kid and he basically leaves as an

1148
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: NFL draft prospect and it doesn't surprise you at all

1149
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: because of how good they are as a staff.

1150
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 3: Well, Kirby Smart's the obvious one, but if we're talking

1151
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,720
Speaker 3: building guys up, then I would go with Kirk Ference

1152
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 3: in Iowa just famous for doing this with tackles and

1153
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 3: tight ends, three stars and building and running back positions.

1154
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 3: I believe Caleb Johnson was a three star recruit, so

1155
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:39,919
Speaker 3: they would be way way up there as far as

1156
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 3: developing guys above their sort of recruiting import another staff

1157
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 3: you go on to the G five. Now this one

1158
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,399
Speaker 3: has been dissolved, but one a couple of years ago

1159
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 3: from South Alabama was really impressing me when they were

1160
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 3: run by Caine Willmack. Their ability to identify guys under

1161
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 3: the radar and then build them up both offense and defense.

1162
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 3: I was really impressed with that. For a couple of years.

1163
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 3: They were my favorite sort of G five factory as

1164
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 3: far as sending diamonds to the NFL Polish diamonds.

1165
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: Speaking of diamonds in the rough. My favorite segment for

1166
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: this conversation, who do you have as your Diego Poppa

1167
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: breakout star for twenty twenty five, either transferring up or

1168
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: perhaps just being a legend at the G five level

1169
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: and elevating a team to double digit wins.

1170
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 3: This one, for me is no doubter. Geo Lopez. I

1171
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 3: just mentioned South Alabama. Geo Lopez coming from South Alabama. No,

1172
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 3: he played for the Major Apple White and the offense

1173
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 3: that they had there one of the funnest ones. I mean,

1174
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 3: you know, for me watching last year with South Alabama

1175
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 3: because they played it was it's basketball. They just played

1176
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 3: crazy fast break and they could both run and pass.

1177
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 3: Geo Lopez is a super fun quarterback to watch. He

1178
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 3: is a pint size lefty who scrambles. He's got this

1179
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 3: swash buckling style. Very very fun quarterback to watch. We'll

1180
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 3: see what UNC's got. Some weird stuff going on off

1181
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 3: the field, that and that sort of stuff, But on

1182
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 3: the field, once we get out there Goo Lopez, people

1183
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,919
Speaker 3: are gonna enjoy watching that kid. That's a powerful talent

1184
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 3: for sure. Wasn't a surprise to see UNC end up

1185
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 3: targeting him.

1186
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 1: I going to go with Mark Gronowski and for those

1187
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: who don't watch much FCS football probably never heard of

1188
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: the kid, Let's start with this. He's a brainiac. He's

1189
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: transferring from South Dakota State to Iowa. He's already graduated

1190
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: with a mechanical engineering degree and he's finishing his masters

1191
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: and engineering. Farrens basically said, he's the smartest guy in

1192
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: the building from day one when he walked in and

1193
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: when you come him through his accomplishments, the guy couldn't

1194
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: have done more. At the FCS level. He won the

1195
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: Walter Paydon Award, which is the FCS Heisman, two time

1196
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: FCS National champion, and FCS title game MVP, and he's

1197
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: a big boy, six three, two hundred and thirty pounds,

1198
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 1: and now that he's recovered from off season shoulder surgery,

1199
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of concern. Obviously he didn't play

1200
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 1: in the spring, but the recent reports out of Iowa

1201
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: these one hundred percent he's going to be good to

1202
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: go to throw with teammates on June first. That is

1203
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 1: all I needed to hear, because when he's on the field,

1204
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 1: his tape oooh boy, let's start. You know you mentioned

1205
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: this phrase a few times, sweet feed. He's a patient runner.

1206
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: He can run over dbs and when he gets to

1207
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 1: the open field, when he's you know, has those long

1208
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 1: strides going. Yes, he's a four to seven to forty guy,

1209
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 1: but when you look at it, he was running away

1210
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: from a lot of the top FCS defenses, the North

1211
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: Dakota States, the Montana schools, just to name a few.

1212
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: So I think he's a tremendous prospect for I would

1213
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: elevate themselves a team that ficks their offense from being

1214
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: a total tire fire to being mediocre by power for standards.

1215
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 2: Last year.

1216
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: That was a big jump. That was without quarterback play.

1217
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: And now you have a situation where he can step in.

1218
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 1: He's a great intermediate passer, which essentially gives them an

1219
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: extra weapon in the red zone as well. When you

1220
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 1: look at his highlight reel for the Jacks, a lot

1221
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: of touchdown passes inside opponents twenty yard line because he

1222
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: could layer passes. He was very accurate. I would say,

1223
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: in terms of a comp for a player that people

1224
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: are familiar with, what Haines King was able to do

1225
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: at Georgia Tech last year, I think is a pretty

1226
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 1: close comparison because he always makes the right decision both

1227
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: with the passing game and also when to pull it

1228
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 1: in the run game and the RPO game as well.

1229
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: So I think if they fully take advantage of Gronowski's

1230
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 1: skill set, I think this could be a team that

1231
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 1: gets elevated in the same way that Georgia Tech was

1232
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 1: last year. Remember Georgia Tech upset a top ten Miami

1233
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,439
Speaker 1: team in November, took Georgia to eight overtimes as well.

1234
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: This is a guy that could be the missing piece

1235
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: for the Hawkeys. What do you think about that edition conversation?

1236
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 2: I love it.

1237
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I always been a while with having

1238
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 3: quality quarterback play there, and yeah, you watch a little

1239
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 3: bit of film with that kid interest. You mentioned how

1240
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 3: ballyhood he is. I love that he came up for

1241
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 3: his audition season here for the NFL, and I think

1242
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 3: Tim Lester is going to know how to use him

1243
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 3: construct the offense around him. You're going to see a

1244
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 3: different style of Iowa offense this year where they have

1245
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 3: a little bit more of the passing element with it.

1246
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: We're going to close this out with some sleeper team

1247
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: are teams that you believe are going to overachieve this fall.

1248
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: So walk me through some of these picks and I'll

1249
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 1: give you my instant reaction.

1250
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 2: Okay, So the first one, and now I went deep sleeper.

1251
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not saying Illinois as a sleeper right

1252
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 3: like you know, It's like I'm going We're going down

1253
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 3: in there.

1254
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 2: First one.

1255
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 3: Houston Cougar's Houston last year, first year with Willie Fritz,

1256
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 3: and they were trying to figure stuff out there, fumbling

1257
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 3: around at Donovan Smith not good in a quarterback position.

1258
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 3: They didn't have many running backs. I loved what Willy

1259
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 3: Fritz did in transfer portal and the guys Houston starting

1260
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 3: to spend some money at the Houston Cougars and and

1261
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 3: you know, obviously going up to the Power five in

1262
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 3: recent years, you end up getting Connor Wigman from Texas

1263
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 3: A and M. Connor Weigman has NFL tools all day long,

1264
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 3: a big strapping kid, he can move around, he has

1265
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 3: a big time arm. They it's not all come together

1266
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 3: for him yet, obviously, and there was some frustration at

1267
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 3: Texas A and M. But you can certainly, if nothing else,

1268
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 3: built a system around Connor Wigman, and they have gotten

1269
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 3: him as well as some weapons there. I'm looking over

1270
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 3: at Houston's projected depth chart right now. Nine starters are

1271
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 3: projected on on the offensive side of the ball that

1272
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 3: came in the transfer portal and all upgrades pretty much.

1273
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 3: Bruce Sard receiver, Amar Thomas the running back. I love

1274
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 3: they brought in me and Dean Connors. Mean Dean Connors

1275
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 3: from Rice is a tackle breaker. He's not not Scataboo,

1276
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 3: But like if there was gonna be like, you know,

1277
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 3: a discount Scataboo for this year, I think it's mean

1278
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,320
Speaker 3: Dan Connors. So I think Houston's got a shot to

1279
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 3: to really jump up in year two with Willie Fritz.

1280
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: Oh, I totally agree. Mari Thomas someone you know, I

1281
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 1: clown on Trent Zilfri in the UAB program constantly, but

1282
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: that kid was an absolute dog and I wasn't shocked

1283
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: that he walked out the door and got himself a

1284
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 1: bag in this offseason, so I'm happy for him. You

1285
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 1: mentioned all the turnover in terms of their offensive depth chart.

1286
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: They also bring in two new offensive courts, two new coordinators,

1287
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 1: one on each side of the ball. Slade Nagel, who

1288
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: coached with Will Fritz at Tulane, that two lane team

1289
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 1: that went and won the twenty twenty three Cotton Bowl

1290
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: over Williams and that USC team. He was the assistant

1291
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: head coach in twenty twenty three, so Nagel has a

1292
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 1: lot of experience. I think he's an upgrade there. But

1293
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 1: Austin Armstrong is the guy that I think is the

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Speaker 1: biggest missing piece because he's one of the most well

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Speaker 1: respected young defensive coordinators and minds in the game. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Saban hired him to be a linebacker coach and immediately

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Speaker 1: he was sniped and ends up becoming the Florida defensive

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Speaker 1: coordinator in the same hiring cycle, one of the youngest

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Speaker 1: to do it, and Situationally, he really knows how to

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Speaker 1: elevate a defense. He took over a young Florida defense

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Speaker 1: that was a mess on third downs, nearly dead lass

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Speaker 1: in the FBS. He got an up to thirty fifth

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Speaker 1: in year one. And really the reason why he's taking

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Speaker 1: this Houston job is because he wants to be his

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Speaker 1: own man. He doesn't want to be a co defensive

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Speaker 1: coordinator having to flip flop who's calling plays. So I

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Speaker 1: like that Houston pick a lot in a Big twelve

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Speaker 1: that I think anything could happen. We saw it last

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Speaker 1: year with basically a team that was picked to finish

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Speaker 1: in the bottom three winning it and winning the auto bid.

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Speaker 1: I think if you're going to go for a team

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Speaker 1: to surprise, the Big twelve's a good place to start

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Speaker 1: for sure.

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Speaker 2: So let's let's stay there with Utah.

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Speaker 3: Utah did down year last year obviously the injuries, and

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Speaker 3: we've finally gotten off the cam Rising carousel there, and

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Speaker 3: I suppose the brand Keithy one as well. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: the cam Rising thing really wrecked in the last couple

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Speaker 3: years that their ability concerns. You go and sign one

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Speaker 3: of the funnest players to washing college football in Devin

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Speaker 3: dan Pierre coming up from New Mexico, played Bronco Mendenhall

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Speaker 3: last year. They're going to construct a system around him.

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Speaker 3: The works very unorthodox player of chorus. You know, he's

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Speaker 3: a right handed version of Geo but even smaller, you know,

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Speaker 3: just running scrambling around, making plays with his legs, with

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Speaker 3: his feet, a spacing problem for the defense, you know

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Speaker 3: how you know, and and the guy who can create

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Speaker 3: right out of structure. So I think Utah team that

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Speaker 3: did not finish with a winning record last year, they're

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Speaker 3: gonna They're gonna be roaring back this year.

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Speaker 1: I think winningham the d C Scaley who's now the

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Speaker 1: head coach, and waiting and Devin Dan Pierre say less.

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Speaker 1: I'm in. This was one of the easiest ones to

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Speaker 1: rubber stamp because I think offensively they have nowhere to

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Speaker 1: go but up. And it's not just Dan Pierre. He

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Speaker 1: also has Ryan Davis coming with him, who's a nice

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Speaker 1: solid possession receiver. But I'm most excited about the potential

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Speaker 1: breakout for Creed Wittemore. He was a yak demon in

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Speaker 1: sparing use at Mississippi State, but they could immediately use

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Speaker 1: him the RPO Jets sweep quick game. So I think

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Speaker 1: this Utah team, if they make a jump and just

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Speaker 1: get into the top fifty offensively, what they do on

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Speaker 1: a yearly basis defensively, I think it immediately puts them

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Speaker 1: into the top four in the Big twelve. So I

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Speaker 1: like that thick lot for sure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, next one I'm gonna go to I'm gonna go

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Speaker 3: Virginia again. We're going off the beaten path here, but

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Speaker 3: Virginia finally has a quarterback in Chandler and Morris they

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Speaker 3: brought in in the portal. I like what Virginia did

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Speaker 3: in the transfer portal this offseason. And again, now you

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00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 3: have a legitimate passing game, you're gonna be able to

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Speaker 3: tack defensive different And then the schedule for Virginia very

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00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 3: very advantageous. Like I was starting to see what they

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Speaker 3: were doing in the portal and then it's like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: this starting to get interesting.

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Speaker 2: Then you take a look at their their schedule. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna pull it up real quick. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The opening month, I remember it's I believe it's coastal

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Speaker 1: William and Mary Rebuilding stand for rebuilding Florida State. So

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Speaker 1: an opportunity hit the ground running I think they were

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Speaker 1: four and one last year as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, the the only you know, tough

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Speaker 3: game in there is at NC State. We'll see what

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Speaker 3: we get with with NC State. But yeah, and you

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Speaker 3: know later on another one of their their non cons

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Speaker 3: is against Washington State going to be down you know

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Speaker 3: from recent years, and a Washington State team who is

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Speaker 3: going to have to travel across the country for that game.

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Speaker 2: Of course, So Virginia is a team.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: If I was to put a stamp on a team

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Speaker 3: to to jump up make a bowl game hasn't made

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Speaker 3: it in a while, it would be them in the

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Speaker 3: power for and Breeze. I want to go down into

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Speaker 3: the coal mines for my my deep sleeper. Now the

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Speaker 3: G five version of this hit me. Now, you tell

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Speaker 3: me if I'm crazy, You tell me if I'm seeing things.

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Speaker 3: I like Southern mess. I like Southern Charlesof's.

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Speaker 1: Other miss to borrow a phrase from myself. You know.

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Speaker 1: Usually these G five teams are organ donors to the rich.

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Speaker 1: You saw it, you know, even going back to the

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Speaker 1: Bailey's Appy days, they take the entire Houston Baptist top guys.

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Speaker 1: They move over to Western Kentucky. The offense starts to work.

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Speaker 1: They basically took all the best parts of Marshall. And

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Speaker 1: this is a team that has has had a dysfunctional

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Speaker 1: offense for years in Hattiesburg, and all of a sudden overnight,

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Speaker 1: they certainly have some pop right away. So talk me

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Speaker 1: through more of what you're seeing with the Eagles.

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Speaker 2: Charles hoff is a really good coach.

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Speaker 3: And you know, speaking of dysfunction, he has escaped a

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Speaker 3: dysfunctional situation with Marshall. I don't know what was going

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Speaker 3: on there. Marshall apparently did not want to rehire. They

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Speaker 3: didn't even talk about the contracts. And then uh huff

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01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 3: at his last season and dead man walking. He ends

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Speaker 3: up leading the team to the Sun Belt title, and

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Speaker 3: so Southern Miss was able to just sort of pick

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Speaker 3: him off here. The Southern Miss had been wandering in

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01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 3: the desert here for multiple years, and the best coach

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01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 3: in the conference just falls right into your lap. And

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Speaker 3: you mentioned also his roster. You look over the like

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01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 3: the our lads that projected depth chart for Southern Miss.

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01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 3: All the guys are in orange. Those are new new

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01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 3: transfer portal guys. So Southern Miss was going nuts. You know,

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01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of guys brought down from Marshall. But

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Speaker 3: now you have a really really good coach as well.

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Speaker 3: Charles Hoff cut his teeth on Nick Sabman Staffs most

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Speaker 3: recently as an assistant prior to his time at Marshall,

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Speaker 3: but a really really good coach, and the talent level

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Speaker 3: at Southern Miss has shot up. In addition, coaching quality,

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01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 3: team quality both have shot up. I think that team's

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Speaker 3: going to be frisky in the Sun Belt this year,

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01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 3: and haven't seen their win total just coming out of

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01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 3: the NFL Draft, you know, sort of vortex. But I'll

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Speaker 3: be hitting the over on whatever Southern missus is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to lean into the microphone and whisper

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01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 1: here real quick. Forty to one to win the Sun

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Speaker 1: Belt forty to one out there, so I don't know

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Speaker 1: how long. And some beaks, Yeah, that number is not

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01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: going to hang around for long. There's some other people

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01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 1: in the BBFC universe who are hot to trot on

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01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 1: Southern Miss. So that is a team and a fan base.

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Speaker 1: By the way, as soon as this team's good again,

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Speaker 1: they're going to be all in. This is a program

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Speaker 1: in a school that loves football, so it's not as

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01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 1: though he's at a school where he needs to convince people.

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Speaker 1: I still think of that the video that was going

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Speaker 1: around with Sampson and the Houston Cougars from March Madness

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01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 1: this year. They were going back to his first year

1429
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 1: at Houston and he was at the dining halls trying

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01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 1: to convince the students to go to a basketball game

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01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 1: on a nightly basis. That's not going to be the

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01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 1: case with Southern miss if they come out hot. And also,

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Speaker 1: I just love their quarterback play. Brayalen Braxton, as I mentioned,

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01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 1: couldn't be a bigger upgrade. The kid was one of

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Speaker 1: the best young starters in college football last year. And

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Speaker 1: I understand that, you know, you fly under the radar

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01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 1: from a G five perspective once you're drawing dead from

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01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 1: that you know, college football playoff birth situation. But he

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01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 1: should have been getting his flowers. So the fact of

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01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 1: the matter is they're getting one of the top ten

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01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 1: G five quarterbacks right away to rebuild this offense.

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Speaker 2: Agree, that's it for us.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for you know joining me today. This episode

1444
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: was incredibly fun. We could have gone for two or

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Speaker 1: three hours discussing all this, but this is just the beginning.

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01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 1: Of college football talk here at the Big Bets on

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Speaker 1: Campus podcast. We're going to have more CFB episodes in

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Speaker 1: the coming weeks. We're going to introduce in Joshua Nunn

1449
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Speaker 1: as well to be able to walk through some of

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Speaker 1: the projections he's seeing win totals and odds to win

1451
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Speaker 1: particular divisions in and conferences in the coming weeks. And

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Speaker 1: also a reminder that I'm going to be back next

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Speaker 1: week talking college baseball with Colin Wilson. We're going to

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Speaker 1: be parachuting into the middle of a conference tournament week

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01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 1: to be able to give you some looks at the

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Speaker 1: quarterfinals and beyond in the SEC and the other power conferences.

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