1 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A wellness call this morning 2 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: ended with Seminole County deputies finding three people dead inside 3 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: a Chuliota home. Somebody who lived at a residence on 4 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: Sultan did not report to work. His boss became concerned. 5 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: He made a couple of calls. That's brompt the Sheriff's 6 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: office responding. The call was made to dispatch around nine 7 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: o'clock this morning, but Sheriff Dennis Lima says it's believed 8 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 1: the homicides took place between twen o'clock last night and 9 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: seven o'clock this morning. The victims, two men in their 10 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 1: thirties and a woman in her fifties, were shot and killed. 11 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: It looks like the person who was responsible for these 12 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: murders was known to the family, and we're going to 13 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 1: do everything that we can to ensure that we get 14 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: that person in custody. Deputies are searching for twenty nine 15 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: year old Grant a motto. Three people dead, one home. 16 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: I cannot imagine police going and finding that scene, and 17 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: they were tipped off by what's called a welfare check. 18 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: Wait till you hear what we have uncovered in this case. 19 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: My mind is totally blown away. I mean, see, Grace, 20 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: this is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. 21 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: So police walk in based on a welfare check and 22 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: they find three dead bodies, clothed, no appearent robbery. What 23 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: the hey? First of all with me an all star 24 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: lineup today. Julie Rendelman, New York criminal defense attorney, Cheryl McCollum, 25 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: director of the Cole Case Investigative Research Institute, Renowned forensic 26 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: psychiatrist doctor Daniel Bober and retired chief medical examiner doctor 27 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: Chris Sperry. Dave Mattcrime online dot Com investigative reporter, Doctor Sperry. 28 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: First to you, I don't even want to count the 29 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: number of homicide scenes I've seen or autopsies. I have 30 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: reviewed many of them. With you, doctor Sperry. When you 31 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: walk into a scene and everybody, medical examiners just don't 32 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: just sit behind their desk, get the morgue. They have 33 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: a fleet of investigators that also investigate homicides. Only what 34 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: do three dead bodies in a home, no sex attack, 35 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: no robbery, no forced entry tell you? Well, the first 36 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: thing that that tells me is that there's probably some 37 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: relationship between the victims and the perpetrator, including family relationships. 38 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: Family relationships, something in common such as drug sales, something 39 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: that went bad. But there's that's the best place to 40 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: start is viewing this as there is an interrelationship between 41 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: the victims and the perpetrator. Well, you know what, Dave 42 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: Matt Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, take a listen 43 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: to our friends at w k MG. This is Nikki Sesasa. 44 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: This six page affidavit reveals details about the moments leading 45 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 1: up to the gruesome triple homicide inside this Julio to 46 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: home investigators believe was at the hands of Grant Amato. 47 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: And it is utterly shocking. You know. The question that 48 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: everybody wants answered is how could this possibly happen? And 49 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 1: who did this? It's a burning question. Attorney Stephen Kramer 50 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: says may be complicated in proving who murdered Margaret, Chad 51 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: and Codiamato. This is not a slam dunk for the 52 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: defense by any stretch. You know, this is a case 53 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: where it is going to depend on really good, hard 54 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: nosed detective work. The report includes an interview with Codiamato's 55 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: girlfriend about what may have prompted the deadly feud. She 56 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: claims Grant stole two hundred thousand dollars from his parents 57 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: to communicate with an online call girl from Bulgaria on 58 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: a pornographic website, and the report she also claims Cody 59 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: told her that he was afraid Grant would kill everyone. Okay, 60 00:03:54,760 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: hold on, just let that sink in. Ladies, listen to this. Men, 61 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: if you're into this, get out of it. We are 62 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: talking about a seemingly meek and mild Florida male nurse 63 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: who allegedly guns down his whole family execution style after 64 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: they demand he repay them the two hundred thousand dollars 65 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: he stole to fund an obsession with a Bulgarian cam girl. Okay, 66 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 1: Dave Mack, let me go to you. You're the investigative reporter. 67 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: Could you explain in detail what is a cam girl. 68 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: Cam girl is a woman who will perform everything from 69 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: sexy dancing to sex acts on a webcam that men 70 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: or women from around the world can pay to actually 71 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:59,239 Speaker 1: view either live or recorded videos of the actual cam Mardel, 72 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: can I wait a minute. Sexy dancing? Okay, thank you 73 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: Jackie Howard for the little demonstration. You're I don't know 74 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: what that was. He'd looked like I had a convulsion. 75 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: But sexy dancing. Now, let me understand it's something to 76 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: doctor Daniel bober Or. Let me bring it a shrink 77 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: real quick. You actually pay somebody money to dance around 78 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 1: in their underwear? Am I hearing this? And he guns 79 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: down his family? Yeah, he runs through two hundred thousand dollars, 80 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 1: and so you know something, it's funny, But I actually 81 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: have some patients that actually do this. Um. I have 82 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: one of them patients. She makes something like two hundred 83 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: dollars every fifteen minutes, and so they give a percentage 84 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: to the people hosting the site. And you know, these 85 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: are people that don't have a lot of education, and 86 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 1: so they can make so much money doing it. You know, 87 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: it's almost it almost becomes an addiction. It's in and 88 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: of itself because the money is so lucrative. Okay, I'm 89 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: poo pooing it. Cheryl McCollum with me, director of the 90 00:05:55,800 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: Cole Case Research Institute and crime tech expert Cheryl. Before 91 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: I get to this scene, can we just talk about 92 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: this for a moment. I gotta tell you a true story, 93 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 1: all right, Like that's how every bad story starts. I 94 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: gotta tell you a true story. But we have a 95 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: friend from college. Well, it's my husband's friend. And he 96 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 1: seemed normal, all right, and a wonderful marriage. All of 97 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: a sudden we find out he's getting a divorce. He's 98 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: in love with a stripper. I'm like, she does not 99 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 1: love you, she loves your money. This girl who had 100 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 1: a son, went through everything he owned to keep her 101 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,559 Speaker 1: son in private school, would not marry or move in 102 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:48,679 Speaker 1: with the friend, ran through all his money, lost his home, 103 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: his marriage, and his job by the way, because he 104 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: went to so much credit card bankruptcy, blah blah debt, 105 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: and then she left. That was it. After she picked 106 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 1: him clean, she left, and he's still obsessed with her. 107 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: I don't get it. Help me out. I mean, how 108 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: many homicides have you? And I investigated the start at 109 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: a strip club or some and I guess this is 110 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: the next generation a cam girl. Well is it. It's 111 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: actually a pretty good way if you're going to do 112 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: this for a living, because it actually makes you as 113 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: a dancer or performer safer. But again, they'd be two 114 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars. But I think it's important to mission 115 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: that's been a three month period of time. So this 116 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: dude is spending two thousand dollars a day to watch 117 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: this girl perform sex tacks over a videos. She's never 118 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,679 Speaker 1: toudged him, she's never pleasured him in any way, they've 119 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: never met. She's in another Wait, I didn't know people actually, 120 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: I didn't know people actually still said that she never 121 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: pleasured him in any way. You've been reading way too 122 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: many romance novels. I don't know how you fit that 123 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: in between the crime says in the Cold Case Research Institute. 124 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: So I can't wait to hear this. You want to 125 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: me right now, well known New York criminal defense attorney 126 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: Julie Randelman. So, how in the world do you turn 127 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: this guy's obsession with a cam girl who, as Dave 128 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: Max says, sexy dances for him, and then he guns 129 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: down his whole family for two hundred thousand dollars he's 130 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: stole to pay her. First of all, I'm still focused 131 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: on the word pleasure myself thinking about that. But remember, 132 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: I've got everything you say on today. Died from that. 133 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: I think you know. Keep in mind that you know 134 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: he's watching this girl without thinking about the fact that 135 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: many other men are watching this girl. But for some 136 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: reason in his head he thinks he's the one that 137 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: has the unique relationship with her such that he needs 138 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: to save that relationship at all costs, even at the 139 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: express of his family, which obviously, I think from most 140 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: of us viewing, is more than just the normal person 141 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: who's going to a strip club. This is someone who 142 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: has now had some kind of delusion. Hold a normal 143 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: person going to a strip club. Let me just digest 144 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: that for a moment, because I can tell you this much. 145 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: If I get up in the morning and start working 146 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: at five o'clock, which I do, work, work, work, take 147 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 1: care of the children, cook the whole shebang, and I 148 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: find out David Lynch is kicked back at a strip club, 149 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: oh honey, there is going to be h E double 150 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: L two pay. It might be normal for Julie Rendelman 151 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: in New York to go to a strip club, but 152 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: it is not for Nancy Grace and David. If you're listen, 153 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: it's not normal for you either. Remember that Climb stories 154 00:09:55,880 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Grant Amato was picked up by deputies 155 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: at a hotel room in Orange County at seven forty 156 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: five this morning. Deputies here are not saying which hotel 157 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: room that was, or which hotel that was at this point, 158 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: but they are saying that he is an investigative detention 159 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: at this point and not under arrest yet. Twenty nine 160 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: year old Grant Amato remains in custody as a person 161 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: of interest. Deputies considered him armed and dangerous when they 162 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: began searching for him yesterday. This all happened after three people, 163 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: two men in their thirties and a woman in her fifties, 164 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 1: were found shot and killed inside a home on Sultan 165 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: Circle in Chuliota Friday morning. Deputies responded to the house 166 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: for a well being check when they found what they 167 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: called a gruesome situation and quickly realized this was not 168 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: a random act of violence. This is just a horrific 169 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: experience for everybody. One victim is in the general area 170 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: of the garage, one victim is in the kitchen area 171 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: and I'm not sure the exact and then another victim 172 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: is in like what appears to be in the family office. 173 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: Deputies released this picture of a white Honda Accord that 174 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 1: a Motto was believed to be driving that belonged to 175 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 1: a relative of one of the victims. That car turned 176 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: up in the parking lot of a hotel in Orange County, 177 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: where deputies quickly located a Motto staying in one of 178 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: the rooms you're hearing our friend Clay Leonard with wk 179 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: MG wow, a male nurse of Florida. Nurse just twenty 180 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 1: nine years old, allegedly shoots and kills his family execution style, 181 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: one by one as they come home after they demand 182 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: he repay them nearly a quarter million dollars he stole 183 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: to fund an obsession with a Bulgarian cam girl that 184 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: he would send her sex toys in lingerie. She would 185 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: send him explicit photos and videos in return. Her name, 186 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: if it's her real name is Sylvia Vinceslova out of Bulgaria. 187 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: I mean WHOA wiping out? Nearly your whole family listened 188 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: to WKMG. The Amato boys played outside and grew up together. 189 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 1: Grant Amato became a problem for his entire family by 190 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: the end of twenty eighteen when he used more than 191 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: two hundred thousand dollars that he got from his father 192 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: and brother and gave it to an online cam girl 193 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: in Bulgaria. He wasn't allowed to communicate with her anymore. 194 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: The situation even forced an intervention between Granda Motto and 195 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: his family ending with Grant being driven to a clinic 196 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: in South Florida to treat his problems. One month before, 197 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 1: Grant's mother, father, and brother Cody were murdered. That was 198 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: the last time that I saw Cody. You my dad. 199 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: Granda Motto is accused of killing his parents and brother 200 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: Cody at their Julio to home in January, a day 201 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: brother Jason recalled vividly as police showed up at his work. 202 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: It was pretty scary. So they came into the building, 203 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: and the whole building I shut down. Their leader gave 204 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 1: me very general details that there was a woman and 205 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: two males in their thirties found in the house. Um 206 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: so ayah. I just tried to answer. I mean no, 207 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: I'm good, okay, So I just tried to answer their 208 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: questions as best as possible. Nearly released documents that we 209 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,439 Speaker 1: have obtained reveal a mottos and sex toys and lingerie 210 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: to the cam girl, and uses nearly a quarter million 211 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: dollars of his families money to pay for her, As 212 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: Dave Max says, sexy dancing and sex acts over a 213 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: webcam a woman in another country. A flash drive seized 214 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: by investigators contain dozens of pornographic images and video between 215 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: a Motto and mentis Lasova. One photo shows her hand 216 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: holding a sex toy in the show, surposing in a 217 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: g string thong. I gotta hand it to her. She's beautiful, 218 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: all right, but the devil to doctor Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrists, 219 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: Well wait, hold on, doctor Bober, Dave mac, I know that, 220 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: according to police information, that he would murder each family 221 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: member as they came home, ambushed them. What more do 222 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: we know about the actual murders. What we know is 223 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: that it looks like he murdered his mother first, she 224 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: was sitting at her desk in the family office, and 225 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: then he next was his dad. When his dad arrived 226 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: home from work, it looks like he too was killed then. 227 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: And then Cody, the brother, was killed several hours later 228 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: when he came home to check on the family. That 229 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: looked like the crime scene was staged after the fact, 230 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: which is something that came up that they believed that 231 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: Grant actually tried to stage it as to make it 232 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: look like a murder suicide and that his brother Cody 233 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: was the actual guy who did the murder and suicide. 234 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: To doctor Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrists joining us. Doctor Bober, 235 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: you heard from KMG WKMG that they had actually taken him, 236 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: carried him, driven him to a treatment center in South 237 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: Florida for porn addiction. I've never heard of porn addiction 238 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: resulting in triple homicide. Well, you know what, Nancy were, 239 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: You're talking about porn addiction or you're talking about gambling. 240 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: It's not about it's not about the sex or the money. 241 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: It's about using an uncomfortable behavior to deal with uncomfortable feelings. 242 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: It's a compulsion. So usually people who have these types 243 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: of addictions have underlying depression, anxiety, and difficulty dealing with stress, 244 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: and they use the behavior to cope with it in 245 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: a maladaptive way. Okay, Cheryl McCollum, I don't know what 246 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: doctor Daniel Bober is talking about, because every guy I've 247 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: ever seen that was addicted to his trip clubs, it 248 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: was about these women. Or wait, Cheryl, is it about 249 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: controlling them? I mean, I'm looking at it from a 250 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: lay person point of view, and I'm not proud to 251 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: say that I've been too many strip clubs just to 252 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: get witnesses. Sure in daylight, daylight hours. Oh, Cheryl there's 253 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: not anything much grosser that is strip club during the daylight. 254 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: I mean it is skanky, it smells. You see what 255 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: it really is. It is gross, Cheryl. I agree, Nancy club. 256 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: But I'll tell you one thing that I always try 257 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: to do on my cases is look it past behavior. 258 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: One thing about Grant is he was fired from being 259 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: a nurse because he gave patience medication because he did 260 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: not believe that they were relaxed enough that the doctors 261 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: had done a good enough job. So this is somebody 262 00:16:56,120 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: that believes that he knows better than a doctor. He's 263 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: not going to take a doctor of order. Well, that 264 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: tells her right there, and he ain't going to take 265 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: his mama's order. So when he gets back from REHAF, 266 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: they sit down with him and give him a list 267 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: of rules, one being you're not allowed to contact this 268 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: woman anymore, and another you're going to be limited with 269 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: the Wi Fi code and you've got to go to 270 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: Starbucks even get on the internet. He was not going 271 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: to live that way too, Doctor Chris Sperry, former Chief 272 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 1: Medical examin Or, Doctor Sperry, how can you tell that all? 273 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: For instance, in a triple homicide like this that it's 274 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: been staged, apparently staging it to make it look like 275 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 1: one of them have been the perpetrator and killed the others. Well, 276 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: it's really looking at the sea and evidence, looking at 277 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: the bodies themselves, and any evidence that shows that the 278 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: bodies have been moved or repositioned in some way, because 279 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 1: once a person is shot, there's going to be bleeding 280 00:17:55,440 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 1: and bleeding and very defined patterns, and any terations in 281 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: those patterns, any changes in the coloration of the bodies 282 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: that shows that they have been turned or posed in 283 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: some way, that immediately gives the indication that the scene 284 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: has been altered. The scene has been changed, and so 285 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: there's always a reason for changing a scene like this, 286 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: changing death scenes, especially with multiple victims. So you know, 287 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: the next level is to conclude or reach a determination 288 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: as to why has the bodies been changed, Why have 289 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 1: the positions been moved, Why has there evidence say that 290 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: blood was tried, you know, attempts were made to clean 291 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: blood up, things like that, because if you can discern 292 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: the changes in the scene, you can figure out the 293 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: motive for doing that, and that again steers back to 294 00:18:52,280 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 1: the involvement of another person. Fancy Grace here, I remember 295 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: every night before I would go to work at CNN 296 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: hill In, I would bathe the twins and that was 297 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 1: a special time for me. Anyway, I would teach them 298 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 1: their ABC's they're one, two threes. Lucy would only eat 299 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: dinner in the bathtub. I defeat her dinner in the bathtub. 300 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: I would give her one full hour in John David, 301 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: one full hour that I would actually go to work, 302 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:32,640 Speaker 1: so king wet. It was one of the happiest times 303 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: of my life, and I guess that's why I gravitated 304 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: to Emily Mason. Emily Mason gorgeous young professor at a 305 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: local college, Swainsburg, Georgia, East george College. I traveled to 306 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: Swainsborough to investigate her death, and this is what I learnt. 307 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: Emily was bathing her two little girls in the tub 308 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 1: when someone came in to her home chased her from 309 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: room to room. The last thing her little girls ever 310 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 1: heard from their mother was Mommy running screaming for her life. 311 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: Those are their vivid last memories of Mommy. She was 312 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: brutally murdered and you may ask where was her husband 313 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: daring all this while her husband also a professor at 314 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: East Georgia College. Pe professor, a Pe coach happened to 315 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: be gone. He just happened to leave for a local 316 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: Walmart or home depot or lows and in that short 317 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 1: window of time he comes home to find his wife 318 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 1: dead in the home. The children, one was non verbal, 319 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 1: could hardly describe a thing what happened to Emily Mason. 320 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: Her story really has touched me, the mystery surrounding the death, 321 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: the brutal death of this young mom, Emily Mason. This Saturday, 322 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 1: we will be facebooking, instagramming, and tweeting live throughout the episode. 323 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: This Saturday auction August seventeen, six p m. Eastern, five Central. 324 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 1: Please join us, Thanks friend. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, 325 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: Granda Motto, and his older brother Jason together in an 326 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 1: interview room hours after their family was found dead inside 327 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: their Julio to home, Grant denying he had anything to 328 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: do with the murders, but his brother didn't believe him. 329 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: I need you to be honest with me, man, I 330 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 1: need to have closure. Their parents and brother were found 331 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: shot to death on January twenty fifth. Deputy Say Grant 332 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: pulled the trigger record show he argued with his family 333 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: in the days leading up to the murders because he 334 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: stole two hundred thousand dollars just into a woman in 335 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 1: Bulgaria he met on a porn site. Grant says their 336 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 1: debts had nothing to do with the woman, but he 337 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 1: couldn't explain who would kill their family. I don't understand 338 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: why it happened. I was taking mine steps forward despite 339 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: everything I was supposed to do. Prosecutors released this video 340 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: of Grantamada's attorneys arguing he should be released on bond, 341 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: saying there's not enough evidence to hold him. The judge 342 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 1: denying their request, his lawyer saying the state doesn't have 343 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 1: a case. He still do not have any forensic govern 344 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: he said, links into this set crime. So would you 345 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: just have to proceed with what would he have? It 346 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: is purely circumstantial at this point. At the end of 347 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 1: the sixteen minute video, Jason hugs his brother, saying he 348 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 1: still loves him. I will pray for you, brother, because 349 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: I can't pray for mom, Did and Tody anymore. Wow, 350 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: you're hearing from our friend Amanda cast show at WKMG six. 351 00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: A man allegedly guns down his whole family when they 352 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: insist he stopped his obsession with a Bulgarian cam girl. 353 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 1: He can't take it. They put him in treatment for 354 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: porn addiction. It doesn't work. They all end up dead. 355 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: How just Sharyl mccollins, director of the Cold Case Research Institute, 356 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: What do you make of it? Fancy? One thing they're 357 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: gonna want to do is look at that electronic footprint. 358 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 1: They're gonna want to see how much contact he had 359 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: with this woman in Bulgaria after the murders. They're gonna 360 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: want to see bank accounts, what money was taken, when 361 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: and from whom, and when was it transferred to her. 362 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: They're gonna put together this whole timeline to show exactly 363 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: what his movements were prior to the murders and most 364 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,880 Speaker 1: importantly after. I just it's hard for me to take 365 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: in an obsession so strong you kill your whole family. 366 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: To New York criminal defense attorney Julie Rendelman, I mean, 367 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: of course, voluntary consumption of drugs or alcohol, unless you're 368 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: totally commentose, is never a defense under the law in crimes. 369 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: You can't just say, oh, I was drunk or I 370 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: was high. How can you twist an obsession, a sex 371 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: or poor an obsession into a defense. Look, I think 372 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: I think when you especially with this young man, I 373 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: think it was more than just an obsession. The family 374 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 1: had been dealing with depression and suice thoughts with this 375 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 1: kid for a while. I think it had had two 376 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 1: separate times the police that had to come. So I 377 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: don't think it's just about the Bulgarian girl. I think 378 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: there's something not right with him on top of that, 379 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: and even when you watch I watched that video last 380 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,360 Speaker 1: night was so troubling. There is something off about him, 381 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: whether before or after this crime. So that's I would explore, 382 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: as the defense attorney. Prosecutors say, he stole nearly a 383 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 1: quarter million dollars from his father, mother, and brother to 384 00:24:53,440 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 1: present himself as rich and successful, lavishing this Bulgarian cam 385 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: girl with clothes and gifts. So somehow the family gets 386 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: onto it and they suddenly get the girl. I guess 387 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: call her or reach her on camp and tell her 388 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: he's not rich, he's not a successful businessman. Dave Mac, 389 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 1: Is that how it went down? Dave Mac joining me 390 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: crying online dot Com investigative reporter, Actually, that's exactly what happened, Nancy. 391 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: You know you talked about how they did the intervention 392 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: and put him in rehab where it was during that 393 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,719 Speaker 1: two week window of time where the family contacted this 394 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: woman in Bulgaria and said exactly what has happened. That 395 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: he stole money, that he's broke, that he's out of 396 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: a job, that he lives at home with his mom 397 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 1: and dad, and that's what really ticked him off. And 398 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 1: something the attorney just mentioned a minute ago about when 399 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: did he contact did he contact her after the death? 400 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: You know, within an hour he had been cut off, 401 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 1: his phone had been cut off, his family had totally 402 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: cut him off from everything. But within hours he was 403 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: of the death of his family. He was trying to 404 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: access this woman using his brother's phone. The last activity 405 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: on the computer or in the office where the mom, 406 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: Margaret was found dead, was about a quarter of five. 407 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: We learned she was killed very shortly after that. Then 408 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: Chad shot about thirty minutes later after coming home from work. 409 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: Cody shot about four hours later, as soon as he 410 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: comes home from work, and he's still trying to reach 411 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: the girl. I mean, straight back to you, Cheryl, What 412 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 1: a blow that must have been to his morale for 413 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: them to tell the girl he's not rich and successful, 414 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: He's not some millionaire businessman. He lives at home with 415 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 1: his mom and dad. That filled the deal right there. 416 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: There was nothing more humiliating they could have done to 417 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: him again, Nancy, this is a guy that didn't have 418 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: a lot of girls in high school, didn't have a 419 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: lot of women in college. From what we can tell, 420 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: nobody was a knocking on his door. It was only 421 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: this person that was given him attention. And I'm going 422 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: to tell you again, to thousand dollars a day, if 423 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: you figure the average sex toys forty bucks, he sent 424 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: her five thousand toys give me a break, just when 425 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: they called her and basically outed him. I think he'd 426 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: beyond snap at that point, and he had made his 427 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,360 Speaker 1: mind up. But he was going to kill every one 428 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: of them, and that's why he started with mom, hold on, 429 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I didn't hear anything you said after three 430 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 1: words five thousand sex toys. I just I couldn't hear anything. 431 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,479 Speaker 1: My head started spinning, my ears were buzzing. I can 432 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: only see red right now. Did she just say that, 433 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: Dave Mack? And if why did she say it? Not? 434 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: You you're the crime online dot Com investigative reporter. You're 435 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: withholding evidence. Nobody told me, he bought her five thousand 436 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: that's five zero zero zero sex toys. What a nut. 437 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: He actually spent over two hundred thousand dollars on sex 438 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: toys and the video conferencing watching her on video because 439 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: you had to pay six hundred units or a couple 440 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 1: hundred dollars for each fifteen minute session that he had 441 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,120 Speaker 1: with this so called you know whatever girl you want 442 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: to call her. You know, he thought it was his 443 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 1: girlfriend and he was having to pay for any communication. 444 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: And after everything was said and done, he actually begged 445 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: her to send him something for free. After the family 446 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 1: had cut him off, after they had added him to 447 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: this girl, he begged her to send him something for 448 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: free because he said he felt weird having to pay 449 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,880 Speaker 1: to have videos with her. Did I hear you say 450 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: he thought she was his girlfriend? Yes, ma'am. He actually 451 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 1: was so deluded, Nancy, that he believed of the thousands 452 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 1: and thousands of people around the world that were watching 453 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: this girl every day at time she was on the air, 454 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: that it was a special relationship between the two of them, 455 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: to the point where he didn't think he should be 456 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: paying for it anymore. That he had sent her all 457 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: this money he had sent her all these lingerie and 458 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: sex toys and that he thought in his messed up 459 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: head that they actually were boyfriend girlfriend. That's just what 460 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: David's friend thought too. Okay, now hold on just a moment. 461 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: Let me understand something to doctor Chris Sperry, former Chief 462 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: Medical Examiner, Doctor Sperry, how can you look at a 463 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: body until it's a homicide not a suicide? Well, first 464 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: of all, there's you have to have obviously leafal wounds 465 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: and these are gunshot wounds. But you know, a gunshot wound, 466 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: you know, a single wound in the back of the 467 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: head with no other weapon around, no got no firearm 468 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: within reach. That's cold, excuse, incredibly suspicious to start with. 469 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: I mean, those are homicides until proven otherwise. And when 470 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: you when there's evidence that other people have had access 471 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: into where the body was. You know, there's just a 472 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: whole litany of different things that make a death like 473 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: this incredibly suspicious. So it's it's really based upon the 474 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: appearance of the body. You know, the wounds they have, 475 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: where the location of the wounds, the absence of a weapon, 476 00:29:53,600 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: and then accessibility. Crime stories with Nancy Grace, defense lawyer 477 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: spent the day trying to poke holes in the prosecutors 478 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: claim that Grant Amato, who was teary eyed in court today, 479 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: killed his parents an older brother than stage the scene 480 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: of a murder suicide. The defense today questioned crime scene investigators, 481 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: asking them why more wasn't done the first day to 482 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: test for evidence when they first arrived at the Amatto home. 483 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: Was the laptop process at all for Prince No, it 484 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: was not. Crime scene tech Arthur Rubart, testifying, said the 485 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: front door of the home, for example, was not swapped 486 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: the first day when they responded all because they believed 487 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: their main suspect lived there. This possibly could be some 488 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: important evidence here, couldn't it possibly? Why didn't you process it? Though? 489 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: Prosecutors said evidence shows that Grant Amatto moved his dead 490 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: parents and brothers bodies after he killed them. A crime 491 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: scene tech said a hoster and a gun seemingly placed 492 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: on the hip of Grant's dad just didn't seem right 493 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: since he was right handed. If you were carrying it 494 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,719 Speaker 1: the way that he has it, and you're right handed, 495 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: you would have to pull it out awkwardly, point it 496 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: out yourself, and then point it towards somebody to fire it. 497 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: Which just doesn't make any sense. You're hearing our friend, 498 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: reporter Jerry Askin at WKMG to Dave back Crybal on 499 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 1: light dot Com, investigative reporter explained to me how he 500 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: used his dad's his own father's a bloody fingerprint to 501 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: his advantage. Well, you know, in many cell phones nowadays, 502 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: you have to use a fingerprint to actually access it, 503 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: as opposed to just typing in a password. And again, 504 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: his grant's phone had been cut off, his family had 505 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 1: cut his phone off and everything else, and so he 506 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: was trying to access one of these phones in the 507 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: house to actually call that girl. And he took his 508 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: dad after his dad was dead, and one of those 509 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: fingers on his dad's body was actually less bloody than 510 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: the others, and the police believe that he used that 511 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: finger to get the fingerprint to access his dad's farm. 512 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: To Cheryl McCollum, director of the Cold Case Research Institute, 513 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: allegations or he killed his father and brother because they 514 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: were in his way, and killed his mother as well 515 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: because she happened to be there, and after killing them, 516 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: used the public Wi Fi and nearby publics to log 517 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: on to try to talk to the web girl. I mean, 518 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: what does that say about his state of mind? Cheryl 519 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: completely delusional and in his mind nacy. Not only did 520 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: they have a relationship, he loved her. This is probably 521 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: the first female they called him by names, that asked 522 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: him questions, that did what he asked. If he'd sent 523 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: her a beautiful lingerie, she wore it. If he asked 524 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: her to perform anything particular, she did, that they had 525 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: a wonderful relationship. In his mom two hundred thousand dollars, 526 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: did you Rendelman, New York criminal defense attorney. It's going 527 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: to be hard to spend that into any kind of 528 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: let me just say, psychotic break or a mental defect 529 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: when after killing them, he has the wherewithal to use 530 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: his father's bloody fingerprint to open his dad's phone, so 531 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: he grant a motto, can use the phone to call 532 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: the strip. Yeah, it is tough, but you know, no 533 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: words are better for defense attorney than hearing someone say 534 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 1: the word delusional when it comes to a client when 535 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: we're looking for a mental disease or defect kind of defense. 536 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 1: And so it is true that some of his actions 537 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: afterwards clearly indicate that he was well aware of what 538 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: he was doing. Remember, there's going to probably be two 539 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: phases in this type of case. There's a defenalty phase, 540 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: and so a lot of this information is going to 541 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: be helpful if and when it comes to a defenalty phase. 542 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, you're right, Julie Rendelman, take 543 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: a listen to this. We the jury find the definite 544 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: guilty of first degree premeditated murder. Tears coming from family 545 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: members as the verdict was read late Wednesday night, the 546 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: jury finding Grandamato guilty on all three counts of killing 547 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: his parents and brother in their Triliata home in January. 548 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 1: I can't say I'm really disappointed into jury. It seems 549 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: like they went out through all the evidence thoroughly, you know, 550 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: and there's still our jury. The verdict coming after more 551 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 1: than a week of testimony in the case, Prosecutors saying 552 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,399 Speaker 1: Amato was so obsessed with an online cam girl from 553 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,280 Speaker 1: Bulgaria that he went as far as to kill his family, 554 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,280 Speaker 1: something that came after he sent her two hundred thousand 555 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 1: dollars that he stole from his parents and lost his job. 556 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: He was depressed, he was having a contentious relationship with 557 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: his father and his brother. He finds Sylvy and becomes 558 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: consumed with the case based largely on circumstantial evidence. Amato 559 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: did not testify a decision. His attorney says he doesn't 560 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: regret as he now looks to his client's future. My 561 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,439 Speaker 1: concern right now is to save my client's life. Wow, 562 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,360 Speaker 1: you're hearing Mark Lehman at WKMG six to Julie Rendelman, 563 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: veteran criminal defense attorney. Julie, it's a whole another ball 564 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: guy at penalty phase, because at that juncture, it's not 565 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: about guilt or innocence. It is about sentencing. And to 566 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: pursue the death penalty, of course, the state must prove 567 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 1: aggravating circumstances, special circumstances that are set forth by statute 568 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: in the black and white letter of the Laws, such 569 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,720 Speaker 1: as killing a cop, killing an elderly or a child 570 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 1: lying in wait, murder for hire for pecuniary or money interest, 571 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: or in this case, mass murder which equals more than 572 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 1: one dead body. We all got the listeners probably got 573 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: very familiar with death penalty cases by listening to the 574 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: Jodi Arias trial or the Scott Peterson trial. So what 575 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 1: but not putting him up as a witness in the 576 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: case in chief was probably very very wise. I mean, 577 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,280 Speaker 1: if he's this obsessed with a Bulgarian call girl online, 578 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: you know, if he's truly obsessed, there's no way he 579 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: could hide that on the stand. Julie, Yeah, I think 580 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: it's tough for I think the tough thing for the 581 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: defense juries in this case is if you start off 582 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: with the notion to the jury that it wasn't him, 583 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 1: which I believe was their position in this case, and 584 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 1: then he found guilty, Now you have to completely change 585 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,800 Speaker 1: it up. You have to now say he was guilty. 586 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 1: But and then you have to give all the reasons 587 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,799 Speaker 1: that we've talked about to try to save his life, 588 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 1: i e. Mental illness, all the things that we know 589 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 1: about his fixation and his delusion. So it's really tough 590 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,839 Speaker 1: for the defense to switch gears to try to prove 591 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 1: to this jury that his life is worth saving. You know, 592 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 1: his parents and his brother's bodies aren't even cold, and 593 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: he's already at the public's wi FI. I guess right 594 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 1: there in the sub Sandwich, Delhi area, there he is. 595 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:50,280 Speaker 1: He's just left a triple homicide scene and he's kicked 596 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 1: back having some Mardi Gras chicken wings. Cheryl McCollum at 597 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: public's trying to get Wi Fi to get this girl 598 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: on the phone. That's not gonna help. And just like 599 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 1: Julie Wendelmann Sacher, you go through the whole trial trial 600 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 1: going you guys mussed up the crime scene. I didn't 601 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: do it. I didn't do it. They found him guilty. 602 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 1: Now he's got to go with Okay, here the bottom line, Nancy, 603 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 1: this man commits math murder to watch a woman he 604 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: don't know Masturbay. Well, that is certainly stripping away the veneer, 605 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,839 Speaker 1: as I like to say. But what I'm saying it's 606 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,240 Speaker 1: about the fact that he can leave the crime scene 607 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 1: of his dead mother and father and brother lying there, 608 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 1: use his dad's a bloody phone, and head over in 609 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,399 Speaker 1: the public's to kick back, have a sneaky DC diet 610 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,760 Speaker 1: coke and try to reach the girl on the phone. 611 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:48,800 Speaker 1: Julie Rindelman, the murders themselves are are horrific enough, but 612 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 1: the coldness, the total lack of regard for his family. 613 00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 1: I mean, he truly is obsessed with this girl, Yes 614 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 1: he is. And that's why I don't envy the defense 615 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 1: attorneys in his case, because you know, they have an 616 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,799 Speaker 1: uphill battle. The one thing I think they have going 617 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 1: for them, ironically, is that Jason seems to really love 618 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 1: his brother, and I think they know the journey may 619 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 1: be influenced, at the end of the day by the 620 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 1: fact that his own brother wants to save his life. 621 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,720 Speaker 1: Longster a short. At the end of the day, he's 622 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 1: just waiting for this girl to say I love you. 623 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,040 Speaker 1: Come live in Bulgaria. Okay, that is not where he's 624 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,520 Speaker 1: going to be living. You're absolutely right, Nancy Grant a Motto. 625 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:38,759 Speaker 1: After just three hours of deliberation, has been sentenced to 626 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 1: life in prison. He avoided the death penalty. That was 627 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,759 Speaker 1: the only goal his attorney had was to save his life. 628 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 1: They accomplish that. Grant Amatto will now spend the rest 629 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 1: of his life in prison for killing his mom, his dad, 630 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,879 Speaker 1: his beloved brother, all because they told his imaginary porn 631 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 1: star girlfriend that he wasn't a businessman. Nancy Grace Crimes story, 632 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 1: signing off Goodbye friend. H