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Speaker 1: Welcome to another vision of Big Blue Kickoff Live presented

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Speaker 1: by Corps Light right here on Giants dot com. John

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Speaker 1: Schmulk pauled Detino with you live from Indianapolis at the

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Speaker 1: NFL Combine. Today, we had the general managers and head

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Speaker 1: coaches around the league talk to us at the podium.

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Speaker 1: We heard from head coach Pat Shermer and general manager

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Speaker 1: Dave Gelman. Will hear from both of them in just

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Speaker 1: a moment on our program here from the Combine. Three

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Speaker 1: two hour live shows this week, folks today from one

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Speaker 1: to three, than Thursday and Friday from twelve to two.

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Speaker 1: We're stock full of guests of Art Stapleton today, Matt

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Speaker 1: Miller from Bleacher Report, Greg Cassell from NFL Films, Joe

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Speaker 1: Marino from the Draft Network, and Bob Glauber and Madeleine

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Speaker 1: Burke as well. Paul, it's good to be back for

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Speaker 1: another year doing shows at the Combine. Yeah for sure, John.

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Speaker 1: You know last year when the Giants had the number

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Speaker 1: two pick, there were a lot of headlines, Oh my goodness,

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Speaker 1: who's it gonna be. Will it beat Job, Will it

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Speaker 1: number six and guess what. The mystery is even wider

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Speaker 1: because there were more possibilities at six than they were

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Speaker 1: last year at number two. And absolutely and of course

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Speaker 1: the big story right now is all about the quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: That's all people want to talk about. It dominated both

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Speaker 1: the press conferences for Dave Gentleman and head coach Pat Tremmer.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with the Giants head coach Pat Trummer, and

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Speaker 1: he started by talking about Giants quarterback Eli Manning. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think Eli can help us win games. And he

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Speaker 1: proved when we started the players around him started playing better. Uh,

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Speaker 1: help us win games. So yeah, at this point, I

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Speaker 1: want to Elie back. He's back, Get ready to go

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Speaker 1: with him? When did you fully expect him here? You

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Speaker 1: fully expect m M, I fully expect him. And again

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Speaker 1: you're gonna ask me about particular players. Dave will tell

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Speaker 1: you and he's gonna speak to you later. I'm a

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Speaker 1: I really feel that way. I really feel that way

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Speaker 1: reason process and back? Well, I'm intimately involved in it. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, both the free agents and then and then

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Speaker 1: obviously the draft players and so UM, it's very collaborative. Um,

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Speaker 1: we all want to hear what everybody has to think

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Speaker 1: about every player in every situation. We talk about it

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Speaker 1: frequently with ownership, and we just try to make the

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Speaker 1: body collector. And obviously there are a couple of quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: I think they got to have the traits you're looking

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Speaker 1: You know there's quarterbacks come in all shapes and sizes,

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Speaker 1: and then you obviously have to watch them play. They

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Speaker 1: They're gonna know how to throw the ball accurately, throw

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Speaker 1: regardless of whether, um it's perceived. We might be looking

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Speaker 1: for last year at night parent taller guys, how does

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Speaker 1: That's made a lot of headlines last couple years. How

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Speaker 1: to scare you Tyler? No, you know, I'm gonna kind

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Speaker 1: we're trying to make our team better and we certainly,

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Speaker 1: the one that's playing quarterback. That's Giants, said coach Pat

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Speaker 1: Charmer talking to the media here at the combine. That's

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Speaker 1: super duper important. UM. And then he talked about and

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Speaker 1: And the major point Patch Reman made in that statement,

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Speaker 1: Both Pat Shermer and Dave Getto were pretty clear today,

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Speaker 1: and you don't cheat the process. Um Schremmer's four things

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Speaker 1: don't think it's been fair. Part of it. Yeah, you know, Tom,

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Speaker 1: it it's gonna go hand in hand. We live in

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Speaker 1: a blame society. That's where we live in Okay. You

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Speaker 1: know I got in a car accident. It's his fault. No,

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Speaker 1: maybe you ran to stop sign? You know, is there

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Speaker 1: everybody's pointing fingers. No, one wants to take responsibility. It's

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Speaker 1: I said, Tom, it's a the ultimate team game. You know,

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Speaker 1: to make another decision. No, it's no, it's not. It

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Speaker 1: really isn't. It really is. In free agency hasn't played

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Speaker 1: think I said this before. Ron Rivera used to kid me.

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Speaker 1: from the Draft Network. He's coming on this week. I

430
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Speaker 1: believe he was Friday like that happened, uh, And and

431
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Speaker 1: he is one of the better draft gurus out there

432
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,679
Speaker 1: who had already done an extensive amount of study when

433
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Speaker 1: we had him on the program about a month. So

434
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Speaker 1: we're going let's give it. And he flat outside. Highest

435
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 1: he would be would be the fourth quarterback compared to

436
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,719
Speaker 1: the last year's draft. I think he did have him

437
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 1: ahead of Josh Allen, but he didn't like Allen as

438
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,440
Speaker 1: much as I did. So you know, be that as

439
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Speaker 1: it may. Uh, certainly he would not have been by

440
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Speaker 1: anybody stretching the imagination, at least it appears consensus wise,

441
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,680
Speaker 1: would not have been in the top three. That was

442
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Speaker 1: Let's go to Charlie. Important name, Charlie. What's going on now?

443
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Speaker 1: Charlie doing well? Great, Charlie, what's up? Hey? Um, I'm

444
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Speaker 1: glad to get him and answered my question about okay, okay, yet,

445
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 1: remember my question was about considered like a second round

446
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Speaker 1: thick or top five cornerback, and I think he thinks

447
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 1: he is. Anyway, Well, you know, Charlie, to be honest

448
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 1: with you, to be honest with you, and I don't

449
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 1: want to cut you off. We'll keep you on here

450
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 1: a second. But to be honest, last year, when we

451
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Speaker 1: talked to some draft groups, did we not John, They

452
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,680
Speaker 1: figured he would potentially be a second rounder if he

453
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Speaker 1: stayed second or third. If he stayed yes, second round pick. Yes,

454
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Speaker 1: last year they probably have him closer to the third. Correct. Yes,

455
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Speaker 1: so that's not a surprise. It's not a reach. Yeah,

456
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Speaker 1: so that's that's what I was hoping. So and the

457
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Speaker 1: other thing is, John, what what you're you two goanna

458
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 1: be there? Look for the freaks, Look for like Kyrie

459
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Speaker 1: Jackson six seven, Look for these like these freaky guys

460
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Speaker 1: that are just like like a four hundred pound tight

461
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Speaker 1: ends and you know, give me a report on some

462
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 1: of these guys that you just look at and go,

463
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Speaker 1: oh my god, that would be fun. Um. I mean,

464
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Speaker 1: we don't have any measurements yet, Charlie, so I I

465
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Speaker 1: can't really go there quite yet. Thanks a lot for

466
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Speaker 1: the cole Man. We appreciate it. Jackson is a stock

467
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Speaker 1: friend away you too, buddy. You saw him at the

468
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Speaker 1: scene bold in which one the quarterback from Yeah, he is,

469
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Speaker 1: he is. He He is a unique looking quarterback. He's

470
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 1: a large, large man. That is correct. Yeah, for sure.

471
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: I mean I'm curious to see what his bench press

472
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: is gonna be. I mean, I just want to see it.

473
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: I don't care it doesn't have any relevance to the game.

474
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Speaker 1: I just want to see it. Three I can squeeze

475
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:21,719
Speaker 1: and one or two more calls. Guys, if you want

476
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 1: to get in before you have art stable and then

477
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: coming on at one thirty from the combine um. But

478
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 1: Paul always good here, and I think it's important to

479
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Speaker 1: note about the combine and how the evaluation process is used.

480
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Speaker 1: And I think you kind of touched on a little

481
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Speaker 1: bit earlier. But when you take a look at these players,

482
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Speaker 1: what happens in the games, as always it matters most

483
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Speaker 1: and what happens here, the most important stuff is what

484
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Speaker 1: happens in the interviews and in the medical which we

485
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 1: don't know about it, we don't see, but that is

486
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Speaker 1: the most important stuff when you talk to coaching the

487
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Speaker 1: general managers in terms of the on the field stuff

488
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Speaker 1: that the fans gonna watch NFL Network wherever they happen

489
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Speaker 1: to watch it this weekend, that's gonna supplement what you

490
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Speaker 1: saw on tape. So if you saw a guy and

491
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Speaker 1: tape you think you super fast, but then it's times

492
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Speaker 1: don't match up, you might take another look at it

493
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Speaker 1: and say, we'll see exactly how fast he might be. Right,

494
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Speaker 1: And then when you have a chance and you look

495
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Speaker 1: at a guy and you don't think he's fast on tape,

496
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Speaker 1: but he runs a grade forty, then it will give

497
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Speaker 1: you reasons to go and double check the work you've

498
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Speaker 1: already done. Well, yeah, I mean, think about it, John,

499
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Speaker 1: There are about three thirty players who were invited to

500
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Speaker 1: the Combine. I don't know how many actually made it

501
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Speaker 1: here for the check in. Remember this. Players are still

502
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Speaker 1: checking in today and I think even tomorrow. Right, some

503
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: guys are coming to tomorrow. So we don't know what

504
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Speaker 1: the final count is. But you know what I thought,

505
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: will research on last year's combine and here's an interesting

506
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Speaker 1: number for you. And we'll talk about this with um,

507
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Speaker 1: with some other draft nick gurus as we continue to

508
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Speaker 1: go through our programs. But did you know this, John,

509
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Speaker 1: One third of last year's players who came into the

510
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 1: combine went undrafted. One third. That's a lot of players.

511
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Speaker 1: Think about it. It's three thirty you're talking about, and

512
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Speaker 1: then you have a good thirty players that weren't even

513
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Speaker 1: invited to the Combine that do get drafted. So it's

514
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: not the end all be all Right, let's go to

515
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Speaker 1: Joe in Pennsylvania. He's up next, Joe. What's going on? Pal? Hey? Uh,

516
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Speaker 1: did you say that Beal was worth a second round

517
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Speaker 1: pick in my hearing? Or well, Joe I mean we

518
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: we've said it twice already, that Dave Gentelman said that

519
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Speaker 1: he's worth a second round pick in this year's draft

520
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Speaker 1: according to what the Giants front office might that was

521
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Speaker 1: the way they perceived his value. Remember, it was a

522
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Speaker 1: third round supplemental they use. So if you're asking what

523
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Speaker 1: did it cost them, they're losing this year's third round

524
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Speaker 1: pick because they took him in the supplemental. I don't

525
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Speaker 1: know if maybe that's what he wanted to know, Okay, okay,

526
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Speaker 1: I thought I heard that. I wanna go quick care

527
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: the compensation picks came out and I was reading that

528
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Speaker 1: we got Court. Is that true? That what? I'm sorry

529
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Speaker 1: that we got. Uh. I don't want to say a

530
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Speaker 1: bad word. The Giants would up. The Giants wound up

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Speaker 1: with a fifth round compense, a Tory pick. We tried

532
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: to stress to you and John. I did this to

533
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Speaker 1: phatically on this show at least fifteen times. The projections

534
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Speaker 1: on the internet were not official. Everybody on the internet

535
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: who said, oh, the Giants calculated maybe get a fourth

536
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: and a fifth I kept saying, hold on, folks, put

537
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 1: an asterisk there. You don't know till it's in stone,

538
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,719
Speaker 1: and it comes out because it's a mystery formula by

539
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: the NFL. We can't figure it out. It's like the

540
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: coke formula. Okay, you just can't get it. And so

541
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: the people who projected a fourth and five to the

542
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: Giants turned out to be wrong. They only got a five. John, Yeah,

543
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Speaker 1: that's gonna be the hundred and seventy first overall pick,

544
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Speaker 1: the thirty third pick in round five. So it actually

545
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Speaker 1: is the best compensatory pick in the fifth Innit that

546
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Speaker 1: makes people happy. And the Giants now overall do have

547
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Speaker 1: Let's see ten pen picks in this that right one

548
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Speaker 1: in the first, one of the second two, and the

549
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Speaker 1: fourth three, and the fifth one in the sixth and

550
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Speaker 1: two in the seventh. There picks came by the compensatory

551
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Speaker 1: pick the Eli Apple trade and netted them an extra fourth,

552
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: the Snacks Harrison trade and netted them an extra five,

553
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: and then the Brett Jones trade and alec Ogle Street

554
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 1: trades netted them extra seven. So that's where their extra

555
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Speaker 1: picks came from. We're gonna take a quick break. We

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Speaker 1: come back. We'll be joined by our first guest, Art

557
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Speaker 1: Stapleton right here on Big Blue Kickoff Live from Indianapolis

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Speaker 1: at the NFL Combine. Well back in just a second.

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Speaker 1: We're back here on Big Blue Kickoff Lie presented by

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Speaker 1: Cores Light download. The CORES Live Awards app to an

561
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Speaker 1: amazing Giants prizes were now joined by Art Stapleton covers

562
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Speaker 1: the Giants for the Record, Aren't We had a chance

563
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: to talk to both Dave Gentleman Att Pat Sherbert today

564
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Speaker 1: and what was some of the important things you heard

565
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: from Pat Charmer? Specifically, the thing that I took away

566
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Speaker 1: most from charmers a question that I asked him about

567
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: kind of two parallel universes. The idea of Eli Manning

568
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: is the starting quarterback, and then also what are you

569
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Speaker 1: doing for a quarterback in the future, And in his

570
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: mind it could be two parallel timelines, the idea of

571
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Speaker 1: you have Eli Manning as your quarterback, but also you're

572
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Speaker 1: developing a quarterback down that stretch. So that was something

573
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Speaker 1: that I thought was interesting. And the other thing from

574
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Speaker 1: Charmer was how does last year's class of quarterbacks and

575
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: I heard you guys talking about it before I came on,

576
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: compared to this year, and do you buy into the

577
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Speaker 1: idea that because we all love to say comparisons, Well,

578
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: this draft class at quarterback is nowhere near what last

579
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: year's was, but then wait until next year. Uh And

580
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: Scharmer said, which I thought was an interesting point, is

581
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Speaker 1: that he always has that evaluation in the back of

582
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Speaker 1: his mind, what happened last year, what he met and

583
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Speaker 1: you know, the guys he met with last year, Donald

584
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: rosen Alan even going back to Goff and Wentz, compared

585
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: to the guys that he's going to meet this year

586
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: for the first time really because he hasn't met Kyler Murray,

587
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: he has not met Dwayne Haskins. Uh And how that

588
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: compares and contrast in his head, and how it affects

589
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: the Giant's evaluation. So from Pat, I think those were

590
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: kind of the big topics that I took away from.

591
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: You know, one of the things that that Shermer has

592
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: has told us, uh Art, is that he's been very

593
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Speaker 1: involved in the process. And I think a lot of

594
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: people didn't know when Dave Gettlman got here before last

595
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: season and when Pat Scherber was hired, how is that

596
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: gonna mesh? How is the personnel department gonna mesh with

597
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: the coaching staff. And it's quite quite obvious to me

598
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: that he is very much in the pits on all

599
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: of these personnel decisions. Yeah, I think that's absolutely correct.

600
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Speaker 1: I think when Dave Getleman came in last year, it

601
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: was very important to him, even before they hired the

602
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: head coach, to reshape how the Giants determined personnel decisions,

603
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: both through the draft and at the pro personnel level.

604
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Speaker 1: And I think it was a collaborative aspect to it.

605
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Speaker 1: That One of the complaints you heard of the previous

606
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: regime is that as much as people's opinions were expressed,

607
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Speaker 1: ultimately I don't know if those opinions were taken, uh

608
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Speaker 1: beyond that, maybe not weighed as watches the exactly. And

609
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: I think what Gettleman tried to do last year, even

610
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Speaker 1: though he was the buck stopped at him, I think

611
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: he tried to make more of a collaborative effort, and

612
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,719
Speaker 1: I think Shermer is a huge part of that. Uh.

613
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Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of funny. Dave wasn't supposed to

614
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: talk to the media until eleven. Pat talked at ten

615
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: o'clock on the on the podium and then came back

616
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Speaker 1: here and we did a session probably for about twenty

617
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Speaker 1: more minutes with the beat writers and uh, you know,

618
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: a couple other guys were there, Um, but Dave was here,

619
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Speaker 1: Like Dave was there the whole time, uh, watching Pat

620
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Speaker 1: and seeing him and and it wasn't Big Brothers watching

621
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Speaker 1: It was almost like I want to get a fense,

622
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Speaker 1: get a sense of where my at least this is

623
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Speaker 1: my impression. I wanted to get a sense of where

624
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Speaker 1: my head coaches mindset is going into this. Uh, not

625
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: that they don't talk, but I want to see how

626
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: the media is talking to them so that we could

627
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: kind of be on the same page in terms of

628
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Speaker 1: how we're addressing things, uh, and what's to come. And

629
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Speaker 1: then Dave obviously I think Dave somewhere is probably still

630
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: talking to the meet but uh, yeah, that that's kind

631
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: of my you know. But again, everything that happened with

632
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: Gentleman was such a different vibe than what Pat Charmer was.

633
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: You know, Pat Charmer is really more about, you know,

634
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: in the now, I'm coaching this team and here's my process,

635
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: and Dave's kind of the uh you know, the main event.

636
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: I guess I will say, yeah, and let's let's let's

637
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: get to David. Then we'll kind of do more holistic

638
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: view of the team ray her real quick Um. Pat

639
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: Scharmer talked about Kyler Murray in terms of size not

640
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: mattering for lack of a better term, and that whole

641
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: thing wanting a big quarterback not really his thing. And

642
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: then it was kind of not taking out of context,

643
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: but don't take that too seriously, um, and then Dave

644
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: Gentleman talking about the importance of instincts at the position

645
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: and how if the guy can play, the guy can play.

646
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: So you're just kind of overall take art on what

647
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: the impression is from those two guys on this quarterback class,

648
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: which is really both guys talked about while we had

649
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: him off to the side, right. I think, first off,

650
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: I'm I am surprised because I came in thinking that

651
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: there's no way the Giants would consider Kyler Murray. His

652
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: size and style of play didn't didn't really fit with

653
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: what I've thought of the Giants and what this offense

654
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: would be. But both guys went out of their way

655
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: to make you not think that today. And exactly so,

656
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: is it a smoke screen, is it a just you know,

657
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: you're trying to keep all of your options open. Probably

658
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: a little bit of that, But I do think that. Uh.

659
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: To me, the main takeaway about the quarterback situation is

660
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: that one thing that gentleman said is that you can't

661
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: buy into the idea of, well, okay, this class is this,

662
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: but wait until because it's gonna be even better. Because

663
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: in his mind it was, well, I might like quarterback

664
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: a this year, and I really like them, but you

665
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: know what quarterback be next year is going to be

666
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: even better, So let me wait and take somebody else.

667
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: The longer you wait, you're just prolonging the inevitable for him.

668
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: So I think that's kind of the battle that they're in. Um.

669
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: I think they'll evaluate the entire class. Patch Dermer made

670
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: a point he has watched every play from this past

671
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: season of Kyler Murray and Dwayne Haskins, and I'm sure

672
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 1: it goes for Drew lock and Will Greer and Daniel Jones.

673
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure that is his evaluation. Uh. And Gettleman kind

674
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: of said the same thing. So it's gonna be about that.

675
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: You're gonna hear a lot about the Kansas City model.

676
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: You guys have talked about it. That's what we've all

677
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: talked about, the idea of the Alex Smith, Patrick Mahomes

678
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: can the Giants get to a point where it's Eli

679
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: Manning and rookie quarterback and then they set themselves up.

680
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: The one thing about Gettleman to me, it's the overarching

681
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 1: thing that he said he called his Consulieri, which I

682
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: know you'll appreciate, his Ernie corsey. He said point blank

683
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: at the podium that what Ernie gave to the Giants,

684
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: Dave wants to give to the Giants. And obviously Ernie

685
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: gave the Giants fifteen going on sixteen years of Eli Manning.

686
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 1: That is at the heart of what Dave Gettleman wants

687
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: for the Giants. Obviously he wants to win a Vincelbardi Trophy.

688
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: But I do believe that Gettleman, for the first time

689
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: today acknowledged the idea of I want to give a

690
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback, and I think he actually joked back here

691
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: when we were with the Beat writers, the idea of

692
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 1: I want to be sitting on Cape Cad and I

693
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: want to be watching the Giants five ten years from now.

694
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: Everything's not the GM and I want to see the

695
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: quarterback that I gave John Mara and Steve Tish leading

696
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: this team to a championship. He also said, though it

697
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: didn't have to be this year. He did. Of course

698
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 1: he did, he did, and but it is a priority,

699
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: there's no question about it. And he stressed the idea

700
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: that he's at the beginning stages of his evaluation process.

701
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: He said, don't cheat the process. Brought up again he

702
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: did it last year, brought up theo Epstein. Obviously he

703
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: respects from being uh, you know big, you know, Red

704
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: Sox with the Red Sox and then obviously with the

705
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: cubs um. He said, you know, don't cheat the process.

706
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: So I think that Gettleman is going in with an

707
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: open mind, believe it or not. I asked him about

708
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: the timeline and where he was last year when he

709
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 1: was convinced was the guy, and he said it was

710
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: very very early in his timeline, which we all know.

711
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: I wonder for it was before I think, I bet

712
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: you it started at the combine, and then shortly there

713
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: after he's like, this is my guy. Yep, and uh,

714
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: I don't anticipate that that will be the same thing.

715
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: I think I think they will go in number one.

716
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: You're not picking second now. Of course, if Nick Bosa

717
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 1: falls to six, yeah, real easy. But I don't care.

718
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: You got a couple of rabbit but that that's kind

719
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: of where you know where I'm I mean obviously, and

720
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: then the current roster questions, uh that I know, we

721
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: we can get into about you know, Odell Beckham Jr.

722
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: And And Landon Collins, but you know, you guys, well,

723
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: the the only the only thing that I thought Dave

724
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: admitted to. And of course she's been very close to

725
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: the vest On about anything that he really thinks about

726
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: what's going on. And it wasn't a surprise. He's a

727
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 1: hog bat lover. And he said, flat out, the strength

728
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: of this draft is with the bigs. He really likes

729
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 1: the offensive tackles, he really likes the defensive lineman and

730
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: and those are gonna be plentiful, and there's gonna be

731
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 1: a lot of high guys taken at those positions, which

732
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: again coincidentally Giants picking six. It's gonna be hard for

733
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: me to think that they're gonna pass on one of

734
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: those high valued guys who was a big while he

735
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: was asked that flat out, flat out, Dave, can you

736
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: envision the scenario where any one of these quarterbacks would

737
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: be the number one guy on your board and best

738
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 1: player available with all the depth up front gonna be hard,

739
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: he said, yes, And he also said he said, if

740
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: the QB has a similar grade to the old line

741
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 1: or D line is going, he's gonna up and that

742
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: I thought he put his put his hands up like this,

743
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: he goes, It depends on how wide it is, you know.

744
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: I think they're they know the urgency, but there's a

745
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: difference between an urgency and a rush job to pick

746
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: a quarterback. They're not just going to take a quarterback

747
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: for the sake of taking it. I think that's the

748
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 1: perfect way to put it, would do the perfect way

749
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: to know who would do that. No one would be

750
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 1: in their right mind would do that. But the reality

751
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: is they know where they're at. I mean, Pat Charmer

752
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: made a point today and it sounds an obvious statement.

753
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: Eli Manning is closer to forty than he is to twenty. Well,

754
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: no kidding, he's closer to forty than he is to

755
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: thirty or even thirty five. So the reality is I

756
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: don't think Shermer was pretty I don't want to say adamant,

757
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: because I don't think he was adam about anything, but

758
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 1: just the idea of, you know, he expects to have

759
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 1: Eli Manning back as the starting quarterback in two thousand nineteen.

760
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: My words, not his, But that's the impression I get.

761
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. I think Dave Gentleman is playing

762
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: us a little bit. I think Dave Gentleman wants to

763
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: kind of leave that guessing game open a little bit

764
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 1: in terms of what he wants to do. And part

765
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: of the reason. And this is me talking, not not Dave,

766
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: but look, you know, I asked him point blank, can

767
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: you envision a scenario where you bring in competition for

768
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: Eli Manning at quarterback? He hasn't had competition for that

769
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 1: job in fifteen years? And he said, and and frankly,

770
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: I think he's leaving it open that if they do

771
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: draft a QB at six and they fall in love

772
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: with the guy and the guy is unbelievable in the spring,

773
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: then he's not gonna go back and say I like

774
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: to you know what I mean. So he wants to

775
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: leave the window, which is understandable. It's so early in

776
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: the process. Something that that he really shoes. Final thing

777
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: I want to ask you are before we say goodbye.

778
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: I thought Gettleman's words on the um franchise tag were interesting,

779
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: and he talked about the financials of but also that

780
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: the franchise tag and service distraction and you have to

781
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: decide whether or not putting the money in the distraction.

782
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: All that together is worth using the tag. And I

783
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: thought the way he went into detail and that was interesting. Yeah,

784
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: you know, is it posturing? Did the kind of you know,

785
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: did the giants kind of get their their back up

786
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 1: a little bit? The way things came out about Landing

787
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 1: and the idea of the speculation that he won't sign

788
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: the tag and he's not happy and all that stuff.

789
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: The bottom line to me is this, it's eleven point

790
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: two million dollars for this tag. And Dave made it

791
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: very clear he was not speaking in specifics about Landing Collins.

792
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: We all know. We all know he's talking about Landing

793
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: Collins for this year. It's eleven point two million dollars.

794
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: Let's say that we all believe that Landing Collins wants

795
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: a long term extension and he does not want to

796
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: sign the franchise tag at the very least until July.

797
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: You now have eleven point two million dollars out of

798
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: what's existing in your salary cap space that cannot be touched.

799
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: You need to start free agency and improve this team

800
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: without that eleven point two million dollars that is earmarked

801
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: for Landing Collins. That is a big decision to make

802
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: for this team. So coming in I was convinced that

803
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: Landing Collins would get the franchise tag. But when thinking

804
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 1: about all of those aspects, I think if you don't

805
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: tag Landing Collins, everyone will go back to say, well,

806
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: why didn't you trade Landing at the trade deadline last

807
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: year there were rumors about a third round pick. The

808
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 1: reality is that things have changed. You know, you're no

809
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: closer to a long term extension with Landing Collins. Maybe

810
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: at the trade deadline last year and you know what,

811
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: maybe we can get something done this this offseason. Then

812
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: he went out and got hurt at the end of

813
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: the season and missed all that time. So to me,

814
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,479
Speaker 1: the reality is that if you let land and walk,

815
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: you're taking a huge hit. Personnel wise, you're taking a

816
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: huge hit leadership wise. You're saving that money. Uh, and

817
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: then maybe next year you end up getting that compensatory

818
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: pick back in a three third round, which would probably

819
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: be a third is Landing is that good of a player.

820
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: Remember they said they need defensive playmakers and coach Tremor

821
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: did say he's a playmaker, so they don't make it

822
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 1: a very very tough decision, you know, fellas as Getleman

823
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: also said, the possibilities are endless. And one of the

824
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 1: possibilities which we have not even addressed, these your tag

825
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: landing Collins, and all of a sudden, now there's an

826
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: urgency to get it done by both sides. And within

827
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: a few days they get a new deal and it

828
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: lowers his cap number for this year and everybody's happy. Well,

829
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: it's also possible unless he refuses to sign the franchise tag,

830
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: which he could, thinking that he's going to create some

831
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: sort of leverage. Uh and and then at that point

832
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: you're kind of hung up. You're caught. You never know

833
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: because you don't know what to do another thing. I know,

834
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 1: I know, you guys gotta go. I thought it was

835
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,879
Speaker 1: interesting about the Odell situation, the whole trade odell um

836
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: and all that speculation. Everybody heard what he said at

837
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,919
Speaker 1: the end of the season. He reiterated today, we didn't

838
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: sign Odell to trade him. I thought Dave's reasoning was

839
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: interesting back here with the beat writers after the fact

840
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: that wasn't on camera when he said, Look, if I

841
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: tell you something concrete and I address a rumor or

842
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 1: a speculation, then all you guys are gonna run with

843
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 1: what you want to run with anyway, or someone's gonna

844
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: call up with a rumor and throw it out there anyway.

845
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: So you're gonna analyze what I say about Odell. You're

846
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 1: gonna say, we're gonna come up with a trade rumor,

847
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: and then you're gonna come back to me to want

848
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: to respond. He said, I'm not playing that game, which

849
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,919
Speaker 1: is not responding to every I don't owe an explanation

850
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: for every rumor that's out there. And I think Gettleman

851
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: kind of you know, he kind of said, Basically, you

852
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: guys can talk all you want. He's here right now.

853
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: If I decided to trade him, I'll trade him and

854
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Speaker 1: then I'll explain to you why I traded it. But

855
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: I'm not trading him right now, and you guys can

856
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: banter all you want. And the one thing we've learned

857
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: about him, he doesn't want to commit to anything because

858
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to go back and say that I

859
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: love to you, which I understanding, but you want to

860
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: keep all your options are we appreciate the time Thank

861
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: you so much. Art, stay with it from the record.

862
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: We'll be right back with Matt Miller from Bleacher Report

863
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: right after this. We're back here on Big Blue kay

864
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,240
Speaker 1: Golf Lie presented by Corps Light Live from the Combine

865
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. John Schmunk pulled the tino on our next guest.

866
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: He's a friend of the program. Joined us every year

867
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:26,959
Speaker 1: at the Combine except for last year was zact Azzi

868
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 1: stole his voice and that is Matt Miller from Bleacher Report.

869
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 1: Is funny. Last last year, we went to St. Alimozon Tuesday,

870
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: like we always do. We see him at the table

871
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: at the ass and they get the text from the

872
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: next morning. I have no voice left. I couldn't talk,

873
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: and I remember it's hitting me already this year that

874
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: run from Senior Bowl, Super Bowl, and then I go

875
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 1: home to Missouri and it's always like snowy or rainy

876
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: weather sucks and then I get back out and it's

877
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: just it's tough. So we'll give me double time this

878
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: year and up. Well, it's great to have you. Matt

879
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: Miller from bleacher Report. Also to Stick to Football podcast,

880
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: which is a great um asset for you folks that

881
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: want to learn a lot about the draft. How would

882
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,919
Speaker 1: you compare this draft class overall? Let's start really broad,

883
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: Beau is you're our first heavy draft guy we're having

884
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: on this week to lead us off the quality and

885
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: depth of this class, or if you want to look

886
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: at the top five even however you want to differentiate

887
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: this class of what we saw last year. I think

888
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: last year's class was better at the top. Especially this year,

889
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: it feels like there's you know, there's three great players,

890
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: Nick Bosa, Josh Allen, Quinn and Williams. After that, you've

891
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: got the four quarterbacks are probably gonna go first round

892
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: and they're they're okay, but not as good as the

893
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: four who went highly last year in my opinion. So

894
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: what do you have them after Josh Allen as well,

895
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: or after Lamar after Josh Allen? Not yeah, but I

896
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: mean I think you could we could poke holes in

897
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: each of the quarterbacks this year bigger than last year. So,

898
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: but it's a good draft. There's a lot of depth.

899
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 1: It's it's a great year four defensive ends, defensive tackles.

900
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 1: It's a good year for depth at running back, wide receiver.

901
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: It's a very good year for tight ends. So there

902
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: are some areas where it's very deep this year that

903
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: it hasn't been in the last couple of years, which

904
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: is refreshing. One thing that we have heard from a

905
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: number of people to this point that I'd like to

906
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: get your take on it is that you may have

907
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: as many as seventy percent of the three rounds go

908
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: on defense. Yeah, no, no, that's very true. I think

909
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,280
Speaker 1: I have two offensive players right to my top fifteen

910
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: right now. So it's it's just not a great year

911
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: for offensive especially skill players. And we all know that

912
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are gonna get moved up. It's it's gonna happen

913
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: every years. Three goal, but it is such a great

914
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 1: year where defensive line, the defensive tackle positions is gonna

915
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: be five or six draft in the first round. The

916
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 1: edge position there'll be six or seven corners, canna be

917
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: probably five, three safeties, two linebackers. So a huge part

918
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: of especially the first round, once you get past the quarterbacks,

919
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: maybe one running back and a couple offensive linemen, it

920
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: is gonna be defense heavy. Which if you have my

921
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: job and you have to sell the NFL Draft to

922
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 1: people to get into a watch, it could be a

923
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: little tough, like, oh my God, look at all these

924
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: defensive tackles we have this year. It's so much fun.

925
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: So thank you Kyler Murray for entering the draft because

926
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: now people actually care about it. Okay, let's let's stick

927
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: on the defense side of the ball because we're gonna

928
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: do a lot of quarterbacks with the great Coat Sells

929
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: joining you said at two oh five, after you get

930
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: past those top three guys, I'm gonna assume for a

931
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: second they're off the table and the Giants pick at six. Right,

932
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: Clellen Farrell, you're looking at Simmons could have been there,

933
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: but now obviously with this, with this injury, he's not

934
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: gonna be there. Jakai Polite from Florida, how do you

935
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: pass through the pass rushers after those top three? And

936
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: do you think any of those guys are value at six? Yeah?

937
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: You know. I would put Rashaan Garry in there as

938
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: a possible because I mean he could go forward to

939
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: Oakland and be off the board. But I think he's

940
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 1: someone that you have to think about there in that spot.

941
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: I love his traits, the athleticism. He's more of a

942
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 1: potential guy because we haven't seen right. Um, I like

943
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: Ferrell a lot. You know he was productive at Clemson

944
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: for a couple of years, and what's the best player

945
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 1: on a very loaded defensive line, And I think that

946
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: matters a lot. You mentioned Jackai Polite, someone who's a

947
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 1: little bit undersized for an edge rusher but had a

948
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 1: ton of production. I like Montes Sweat from Misissippi State

949
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,760
Speaker 1: had a great senior, very long, very long player, good athletes,

950
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: so it is a good edge rusher position. I think

951
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: the wild cards at Oliver from Houston. Where does he

952
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: fit in? Where does he play? I think this week's

953
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: important for him. What's he gonna measure in at He's

954
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: six foot towards seventy pounds probably, and what is he

955
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: gonna look like athletically? He's rumored to run in the

956
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: four fives, which is just unnatural for that size. Yeah,

957
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 1: I want to I want to question Farrell for a seconds.

958
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: You watch him on tape. I watched his last four

959
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: games of the year, when he was probably playing his

960
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: best football. I saw a lot of really good technique

961
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: hand stuff, a lot of rips, a lot of swipes,

962
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: things like that. But I didn't see that ben that

963
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: you want to see when he tries to get around

964
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: the corner. How much does that limit the top end

965
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: potential of a defensive end. He doesn't have that natural

966
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: bend to really beat you with speed around. I think

967
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: that's what everyone wants, That's what everyone looks for, is

968
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: natural And it was like the first thing in my

969
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 1: notes on him this year was, man, he's kind of

970
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: stiff and you see that, but he's still productive. You

971
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: can watch the game against Alabama where he just you know,

972
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,959
Speaker 1: Jack hammers Jonah ways the one. You see the power

973
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: and you see the hand play. So I don't know

974
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: that the lack of elite bend is as much of

975
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: a problem if you have strength that backs it up,

976
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: you know. He he looks sometimes like Justin Houston, who

977
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: doesn't always have great ben but you can get to

978
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: the quarterback with a lot of different moves. So I

979
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: think ideally, yes, you would like a guy who has

980
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: that hip flexibility in the burst, but it's not a

981
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: requirement all the time. Well, if he had that, he

982
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: might be a top three for sure, right exactly. U.

983
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: Let me ask you about the past rushers in particular.

984
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: We all know how passing has become such a big

985
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: part of the today's game, and the edge rushers are

986
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: so huge, all you're gonna be able to find deep

987
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: enough edge rushers in the second and third round that

988
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: will be plugg and play guys. I don't think so.

989
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: I think there is a hard drop off this year.

990
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: You know, the second round. You look at guys like

991
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: Jalen Ferguson, who is not here this week because of

992
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: all field but also because of an intrance ocean's him

993
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: and has some old dominion, who has had a pretty

994
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: good senior board week, but also there were times he

995
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: disappeared and he was very quiet, has struggles getting off

996
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: people when they get their hands on him. So I

997
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:41,879
Speaker 1: actually think there is a pretty big drop off where

998
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 1: you start to look at guys who are clear projects

999
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 1: and not plugging play type guys. So you're looking at

1000
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: once you get past those top five or six in

1001
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: the first round, maybe you're looking at the third round

1002
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: value after that, or or it might reach it a

1003
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: little bit. It might be worth looking at third round

1004
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 1: where you're instead betting on athleticism and side instead of

1005
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: you know, production or traits like Jalen Ferguson, you know,

1006
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: lead lead the n C double A and sacks very productive.

1007
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: But there are some questions about his game and now

1008
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: an injury, so I think you would almost be better off.

1009
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: And the Giants don't have a third because they do

1010
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: have one, right, but they don't Sam Bill, who would

1011
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: have looks very good in this class. Let me go there,

1012
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 1: Hold on second, let me go there. We just had

1013
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: Dave Gettelman tell us he believes that he would have

1014
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: been valued as a second round pick this year had

1015
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: he stayed. Yeah, I completely agree with that. He would

1016
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: probably be the off the top of my head, the

1017
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: seventh corner in this class, which is a mid round

1018
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: two pick usually. So yeah, right now, it looks like

1019
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: a really good value to give up a three for him.

1020
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 1: Obviously the injury that sucks. You don't want to see that,

1021
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,919
Speaker 1: but it's football that happened. So no, I think where

1022
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: they you know, what would that be like pick seven,

1023
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: sixty seven, sixty eight. That's a really good value for

1024
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: Sam Buelle. Now, what do you think about the corner

1025
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: class in general? And a lot of people are some

1026
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 1: people really like Treedy Williams. I know he's more of

1027
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: a press man. Guy Murphy from Washington is more of

1028
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: his own corner, right. DeAndre Baker does a little bit

1029
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: of both or any of these corner top ten value

1030
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: you looking at mid d the first round this I

1031
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: actually I didn't publish it, but I was working on

1032
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: the mock draft the other day in my first corner

1033
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: didn't come on the board to the twenties. I think

1034
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: there's no way this happens. There's no way, because someone's

1035
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: gonna fall in love with the corner. Someone will run

1036
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: well here. But it is a weird year for corners

1037
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: because there's four or five of from DeAndre Baker, like

1038
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 1: you said, Murphy Greedy, Rocky Sin Trayvon Mullen from Thompson.

1039
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: There's five guys who could go first round, but they're

1040
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: all gonna be somewhere between, like you know, nineteen and

1041
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: thirty two is where they're gonna come off the board.

1042
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: So there's not that guy like denzil Ward this year.

1043
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: There's no Marshawn Lattimore. It's a good year in terms

1044
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: of depth, but there's not that top end guy. How

1045
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: much would it surprise you if one of those defensive guys,

1046
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: and not necessarily one of the top ten guys came

1047
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: in and lit up the combine and all of a sudden,

1048
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: somehow rose a heck of a lot higher than anybody

1049
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 1: thinks you would. I mean, obviously happened. You know, we

1050
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 1: see it happened every year. I think last year Terrell

1051
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: Edmonds was the guy. We went first round and we

1052
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: were all like, what the heck just happened here? But

1053
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: it can't happen. And from the safety position, Taylor rap

1054
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: from Washington contests very well and move himself not from

1055
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 1: a late first round to an early, you know, top

1056
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: fifteen type position. John and Abram from Missisippi State a

1057
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 1: similar guy, So I look at it defensively, Yeah, it's

1058
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: definitely possible. Devin White is kind of the forgotten dude

1059
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 1: because he's a linebacker, really great player, right, but where

1060
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: do you draft a linebacker? They normally don't go very

1061
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: early on, especially inside right. But he's like Jalen Smith

1062
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: and Miles Jack were in college and though they were

1063
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: you know, elite prospects, he's on that same plane as

1064
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Speaker 1: now in my opinion, so he might be the wild card.

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00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: He you know, you got a GM now who likes linebackers,

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00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,800
Speaker 1: the one that didn't before him, So uh, it wouldn't

1067
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: be wouldn't be wild to see him in there. Every

1068
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: year we have Janni, we say, are there any offensive

1069
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: tackles in the draft? Good? Finally you could tell us yes,

1070
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: you go sign on a free agency and then and

1071
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: then I can finally tell you there there are, and

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00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: and particularly on the right side, Jowana Taylor from Florida

1073
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: I think could be a top ten pick who has

1074
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: been working here unfortunately battle with the hamstring. Right couldy

1075
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: four from Oklahoma, very good right tackle prospect. And then

1076
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 1: even on the left side, Jonah Williams. I still love

1077
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: Jonah Williams. I'm gonna go to bad for him every

1078
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: time tackler guard. I think he's a tackle. It came

1079
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: into at thirty three and in five eights in his arms.

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00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: That's pretty good. That's good enough, right, and especially with

1081
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: the tape, like we're saying with Clarin Farrell and I

1082
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 1: know Cleveland got him on one play. Jonah Williams dominated

1083
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: the SEC for three years playing right tackle and left Like,

1084
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: let's not overthink this tack is really good at it,

1085
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: but it is a good tackles. Andre Dillard from Washington

1086
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: States another one that you have to throw in there.

1087
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 1: So it's a good year to need to tackle what

1088
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: little is the other one that people talk about us,

1089
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: and I've seen people people love this trade so much.

1090
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: He's top team other people have as a mid second.

1091
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: That's where I have a mid second. I don't love

1092
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: his game that much. He's someone I could see moving.

1093
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: He's very big, very powerful, and it's just a matter

1094
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 1: of what type of scheme He's gonna be fit for

1095
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: some teams. But if you want to tackle that moves

1096
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: a lot, he's not your guy. But let me ask

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00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: you this now, Matt. Last year, the Giants were the

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00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 1: number two pick in the draft, and there were so

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00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: many conversations about all these quarterbacks. There's gonna be a

1100
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: lot of trade talk. Guys are gonna be trying to

1101
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: move up, Guys gonna be trying to move down because

1102
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: they know some suckers are gonna want to take quarterbacks.

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00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: There was a lot of that stuff going on, not

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00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: as much this year because the quarterback asked is not

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00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: a sexy So my question to you, understanding the scope

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00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: of how much defenses in this draft and how few

1107
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: quarterbacks there are, what kind of trade movement are you

1108
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: expecting in this year's draft up at the top. I

1109
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: actually think a lot, maybe not as much as last

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00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: year because we saw it. I mean it started the

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00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 1: week after this last year with the Colts and Jets.

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00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: So but I do expect a lot because there's a

1113
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: lot of different opinions about players, so that that allows

1114
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 1: for a lot of trade talking. You know, right now

1115
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: we're all trying to figure out what Kyler Murray is.

1116
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 1: You know what is Dwayne Haskins. The interviews here are

1117
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: gonna be so big for these guys, Daniel Jones, Drew Lock.

1118
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 1: You know, those four players could go in the top

1119
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 1: ten if teams fall in love with them. Think Jones

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00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: can go as high as the top ten. There are

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00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: some people who really like him. I mean, he's not

1122
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 1: that different than Eli Manning, you know, in terms of

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00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: how they play their Yeah, So I mean it's easy

1124
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: to fall in love with the guy like that, who

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00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: maybe doesn't have the highest ceiling in the world, but

1126
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 1: you know exactly what you're getting. And for all the

1127
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 1: talk about a bad Senior Bowl week, he had a

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00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: great Senior Bowl game. And I think that's just who

1129
00:53:56,200 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is. He's a gamer in general and will

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00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: be our final one man. Again, we thank you very

1131
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: much for the time Bleach report Uh stick to football

1132
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: podcast as well. When you take a look at this

1133
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 1: class and you point to the players that you think

1134
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: this guy could be a generational talent. The Giants drafted

1135
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 1: guy like that in Sae Kwon Barky last year. Is

1136
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: it just those top three guys you mentioned earlier? Do

1137
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: you think anyone else you know can jump into that?

1138
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: I think it's those guys. And then you have the

1139
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: trade players who if they click in three years, we

1140
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: could look back and say, oh my god, they're so athletic,

1141
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: like Rashawn Gary, like at Oliver. Those are the ones

1142
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: where you could see it if it if the light

1143
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: bulb comes on for them. But it truly is I

1144
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: think a three player class with with Nick Bosa, Quentin

1145
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: Williams and Josh Allen. And Josh Allen, I think it's

1146
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: maybe even a step below those two in terms of

1147
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,919
Speaker 1: being on that tier because he doesn't an elite bend.

1148
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 1: Does he think he has an elite end? There? No, No,

1149
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: And I think he struggles, gonna blocks a little bit

1150
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: from someone who's to sixty. But he's a good player,

1151
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,439
Speaker 1: really good player. He'll be a top five pick. Matt.

1152
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:55,919
Speaker 1: We appreciate the time my friends. Guys, appreciate report. We'll

1153
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: be right back with Rick yourself from NFL Films. Welcome

1154
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,280
Speaker 1: back to Big Blue Kick Golf Live at the Combine

1155
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. I'm John Smunk, Paul Detino, and now we're

1156
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: joined by Greg Cosell from NFL Films. Greg, you joined

1157
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: this last year and again, thank you very much for

1158
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: the time. How are you. I'm doing great, guys. How

1159
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: you guys doing. We also does a great job on

1160
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: the film breakdown on the ESPN show. I think really

1161
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: good jobs. So I looked up and on you guys

1162
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: wanted the super Bowl. I'm like, what happened to South

1163
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: pal It took South Palace for the Super Bowl? Because

1164
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 1: we shot We shooted on Saturday, the day before and

1165
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: that's Hall of Fame voting day and salse Hall of

1166
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 1: Fame voter. Believe it not as great as that show is.

1167
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,800
Speaker 1: The Hall of Fame voting is more. We understand that.

1168
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: Absolutely good. All right, Greg, Let's start with the main

1169
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: attraction here, and that's the QBS. We know Haskins is

1170
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: throwing as of the start of the show. I don't

1171
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: know if Murray committed to doing everything here yet. I'm

1172
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: not sure if that's come out the last hour or so. Um,

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Speaker 1: your general thoughts first on those top two guys. I

1174
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: saw a couple of year scouting reports the line I

1175
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: thought wonderful and just kind of give me a thumbnail

1176
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 1: on those guys for you. So are we starting with

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00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:58,800
Speaker 1: Murray and Haskins? You take your pick Murray? You know

1178
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: who do you like better? Let's start there? Well, very

1179
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 1: different players. But yeah, that's a hard question because I

1180
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: think that they have to be part of different offensive approaches.

1181
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: So therefore it's you know, it's you're not comparing apples

1182
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 1: to apples because you know, Murray to me, becomes a

1183
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,919
Speaker 1: spread quarterback, you know where there's a lot of play

1184
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 1: action where he's in the gun, where you have r

1185
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: p o s, where you know you're giving him an

1186
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: opportunity to play a spread game. Haskins to me as

1187
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: a prototypical drop back, pocket quarterback, which obviously played in

1188
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 1: the shotgun in college. But he's he's a pocket player.

1189
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 1: He's prototypical. UM. One area I think Haskins needs a

1190
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 1: lot of work and I think it will show up

1191
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: in the NFL. The style of player he is being

1192
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: a pocket guy. Is he needs to get much better

1193
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: with pocket movement, being able to navigate within the pocket,

1194
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 1: because when you're a pocket player, you have to be

1195
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 1: able to do that, particularly in an NFL where defenses

1196
00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: have become so much more detailed. Nuance sophisticated with pressure concepts,

1197
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,240
Speaker 1: and he's not going to create. He's not a creat

1198
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: and when he sees pressure, I've seen him panic is

1199
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: he And he has problems with his lower body mechanics anyway. Now,

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00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: he's a little bit of a funky thrower, but there's

1201
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: no question he's got a very strong arm. Um that's

1202
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: just the way he throws the ball. But you know,

1203
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: I think that that's an area that he definitely needs

1204
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: some work. Um, Murray is Murray is simply going to

1205
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 1: be the eye of the beholder as far as height,

1206
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,959
Speaker 1: It's as simple as that. Because Murray is a fascinating player.

1207
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: Oh he's fun to watch. And to me, the reason

1208
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: he's so fascinating is he throws the ball really well. Now.

1209
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: I took a lot of grief on Twitter when I

1210
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: said that he was a better thrower than Russell Wilson.

1211
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: And he is a better thrower than Russell Wilson. Murray

1212
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: is very much like Mahomes. Now he Mahomes is freakish.

1213
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: Murray's not freakish as a thrower, but I'm talking about

1214
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,919
Speaker 1: the looseness with which they deliver the football. Different angle

1215
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: was the whole thing. He's just a loose, easy thrower

1216
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 1: of the ball, just like Mahomes is. Russell Wilson is

1217
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 1: not a loose, easy thrower of the ball. So Murray's

1218
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: just a better thrower. Um So he's again, it's all

1219
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: going to be in the eye of the beholder. Maybe

1220
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: old school guys, I certainly don't want to speak for

1221
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 1: Dave Gentleman, but maybe old school guys think, oh, you know,

1222
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:22,919
Speaker 1: he's five nine and three quarters or whatever he's gonna

1223
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 1: measure and that's just too small. Maybe new school guys,

1224
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 1: you know, the Cliff Kingsburies of the world, say hey,

1225
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: this guy is perfect for my offense. We're gonna spread

1226
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: it out, we're gonna do a lot of misdirection, deception,

1227
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: what's basically become college football, and that this guy fits perfectly.

1228
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: We're gonna create the throws for him with all the

1229
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: things we do that creates so much conflict for the

1230
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: defense that he's gonna have nice to find throws. I

1231
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 1: talked to three old school offensive coordinators in the NFL

1232
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: who said to me, Greg, you know it's killing me.

1233
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: I know, we run two thirds. Not going in the

1234
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 1: NFL nowadays anyway, a lot of teams really with eleven personnel,

1235
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: three wide receiver. It's so so frequent nowadays, but they

1236
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: still say to me, you know what, these guys they're

1237
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: running shotgun all the time in college, and the footwork

1238
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 1: that you have to adjust to for being a shotgun

1239
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: guy to the NFL is still a critical area of review.

1240
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: And I just don't have enough confidence and a lot

1241
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: of these guys who can't show it to me. What

1242
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: do you say, not according to Michael Leach? Yeah, not

1243
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 1: according to him, Yeah, that's for sure. But I think

1244
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: that's a very valid point. And I think even when

1245
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: you talk to quarterbacks, and I've had that opportunity over

1246
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 1: the years to talk to Hall of Fame quarterbacks, and

1247
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: the footwork and the timing and the rhythm of dropping

1248
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 1: back from center is a learned thing. Now. I'm not

1249
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: saying it takes ten years to learn it, you know.

1250
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 1: And obviously I'm not a quarterback and I didn't have

1251
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 1: to do it. But it's a learned thing, so does

1252
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: it takes some time? Absolutely? You know, I remember years ago,

1253
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 1: think back to the Dallas Cowboys with Troy Aikman, who

1254
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 1: did not like the shotgun he played under center. And

1255
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: think back to you know, that skinny post throw to

1256
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: Michael Irvin. You know, it seemed like they did that

1257
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: every single week. You know, you don't see much many

1258
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: skinny posts anymore. And the reason you don't is not

1259
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 1: because of receivers. It's because of the quarterback. Because there's

1260
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:24,919
Speaker 1: a timing. It's a five step plant, shift your weight,

1261
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: throw the ball all in the same motion. Quarterbacks don't

1262
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 1: do that kind of thing anymore. So I'm trying to

1263
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 1: play off your point that playing from under center is

1264
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: definitely a learned thing, which gives credence to the Kansas

1265
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 1: City model of if you're going to draft one of

1266
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 1: these guys, no matter how high you think his ceiling is,

1267
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 1: you'd like to have him set a year or two

1268
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 1: lane learn something and get the experience and not necessarily

1269
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: throw him in right away. You know. And the other

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Speaker 1: thing that's learned, by the way, you know, since we're

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Speaker 1: talking about this, is play action under center, where you're

1272
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: turning you back to the defense. Very few college quarterbacks

1273
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 1: do that. So then if you're gonna come in the

1274
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 1: NFL and go play action and turn your back to

1275
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: the defense, you know there's that moment there when you

1276
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: turn around. Amazingly enough, the defense isn't in the same

1277
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: spot before you turn or it's a different guy coming

1278
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: on the exactly. So I mean those are learned things.

1279
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 1: And and again I'm not gonna sit here and say

1280
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 1: it takes you know forever to learn it, but you

1281
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: do have to learn it now. Actually, I want to

1282
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 1: ask you specifically about that power play action because the

1283
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: Giants us that the great effect in the second half

1284
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:32,439
Speaker 1: of the year last year is one of the reasons

1285
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 1: their offense turned around a lot of two tight ends

1286
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 1: and they use ELI a lot less under center, a

1287
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: lot less straight by drop back. When you're that small

1288
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 1: and you're doing that type of play action, you turn

1289
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: your back and then you turn around. You have to

1290
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 1: get your vision right away. Now, I gotta imagine it's difficult.

1291
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 1: But at the same time, your drop backs deeper right

1292
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 1: because you running play action. So does that then open

1293
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 1: up the vision? How does height affect your ability to

1294
01:01:54,920 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: use the power play action from under center. I would

1295
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 1: say you would not see a lot of that with

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01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. I don't think that that's the way you

1297
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 1: would go about because Russell Wilson does do that in

1298
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 1: Seattle a little correct, correct, correct. Most teams do that

1299
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 1: on first down what we call shot plays as you're

1300
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: familiar to with where they do it at a base personnel.

1301
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: They do it at a base personnel because most teams

1302
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 1: in the NFL will play with the single high safety

1303
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 1: against two tight ends let's say three tight ends or

1304
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 1: or twenty one personnel, two backs if you happen to

1305
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 1: ever fall back or a big fall back guy. Um So,

1306
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 1: teams do it with a pretty good anticipation feel for

1307
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 1: what the defense will look like, and then they run

1308
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: route concepts that attacks single high zone cover three. So

1309
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 1: the quarterback pretty much has a single read. So when

1310
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 1: he turns around, he's not looking for you know, scanning

1311
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 1: the field old, he's looking for one guy that dictates

1312
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 1: then where he's going to throw the ball. And a

1313
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: lot of times you're max protecting those spots to question

1314
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 1: and only send out two receivers, not many choices. I

1315
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 1: want to follow up the real quick right, and then

1316
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 1: I'll get off of Murray. What other adjustments did you

1317
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 1: have to make to your offense if you're dealing with

1318
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 1: the quarterback of that size. Is it just deeper drops

1319
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 1: as a wider split for your offensive lineman? Is that

1320
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 1: the type of route combinations you run? What are the

1321
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 1: type of adjustments you would have to make to allow

1322
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 1: him to succeed if he only checks in it, you know,

1323
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 1: five three quarters or five ten? Well, you know, I

1324
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 1: think you're gonna end up running a lot of quick

1325
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 1: game stuff with the ball comes out and then the

1326
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 1: rush is not a factor. But he did like the

1327
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 1: ball a lot of Oklahoma a lot of the time

1328
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 1: when rush did come at him. Yeah, and there's no

1329
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 1: question I even made this this note that shorter quarterback

1330
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 1: this this Russell Wilson does this all the time. But

1331
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 1: he's such a good runner that's sometimes he then compensates

1332
01:03:56,760 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 1: by making a grade run. But shorter quarterbacks will always

1333
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: have a tendency to leave the pocket prematurely because there

1334
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 1: are times they just don't see it, and when you

1335
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 1: don't see it, you'll leave. So that will you know,

1336
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 1: always happen that they'll leave throws on the field and

1337
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 1: by that, I mean the route concept will work, the

1338
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 1: receiver is open, but the quarterback bails because he just

1339
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 1: doesn't get a clear picture of it. That will always

1340
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 1: happen with shorter quarterbacks. Alright, one guy who's not very

1341
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 1: short as Haskins, he's got a little bit more of

1342
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 1: a larger frame. Uh. The one huge knock that everybody

1343
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 1: comes down on him is that, hey, you only did

1344
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 1: it in one year. The experience factor. Uh, that's always

1345
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 1: one of the first things that gets said. What are

1346
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 1: some of the things that you see in him? Good

1347
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 1: or bad? Um? I mean, ultimately, I think Haskins is

1348
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 1: a very good throw of the football. You know. I

1349
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 1: think that he's he's got a strong, powerful arm, Okay,

1350
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 1: and I think that he's a pocket player with a

1351
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 1: big arm who can make every throw. You know. Um,

1352
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 1: I think that the way he throws it, and and

1353
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 1: I'm old school is a little bit of an issue

1354
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 1: because his lower body mechanics are not very good. You know,

1355
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 1: he's he's very often um that he's very lazy with that.

1356
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a pure anticipation thrower, but that

1357
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 1: can also be a function of the offense in which

1358
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 1: he played. You know, that's where they don't ask guys

1359
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 1: to really do that a whole lot like you have

1360
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 1: to do in the NFL. Um you know, the pocket

1361
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 1: movement I mentioned. You know. My final point when I

1362
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 1: when I did my my uh study of him was

1363
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 1: he's got higher level arm talent. I thought much refinement

1364
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 1: is needed in his game. There is a tendency for

1365
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 1: him to rush himself and play a little fast when

1366
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 1: there's pressure, because you know, he's a pocket guy. You

1367
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 1: know he's he's used to being in the pocket and

1368
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 1: being comfortable, which at Ohio State he was a good

1369
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 1: part of the time. But I think that that's something

1370
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 1: you have to to um think about. He definitely has

1371
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 1: tools id and see him although this doesn't mean anything

1372
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 1: quite honestly, and I know this. I didn't see him

1373
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 1: as a guy who was ready to be really effective

1374
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 1: as a day one staughter. But depending on where he's

1375
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 1: drafted and who he goes to, that made me nothing.

1376
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 1: He may be the day one daughter. I got something

1377
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 1: I gotta ask you, great, because you watch probably as

1378
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:20,920
Speaker 1: much film, more more than anybody else does. I I

1379
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 1: sat down with an NFL corner to watch some of

1380
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 1: Haskins and one thing. One thing he said to me

1381
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 1: right away. He goes, all right, look what is he doing.

1382
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 1: It's always the first or second read, and and and

1383
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 1: he is consistent throughout the entire game, picking on the

1384
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 1: corner who can't play on the other team. And I said, well,

1385
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 1: that makes sense because he's trying to win a game,

1386
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 1: and that's a coaching thing. See. See, That's the other

1387
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 1: thing I try to think about when I watched tape,

1388
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, is I try to think

1389
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 1: about the nature of the college offense that he's in.

1390
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:55,919
Speaker 1: You know, it's always easy and and so many people

1391
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 1: now are are draft evaluators. And again I'm not saying

1392
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 1: I'm better than anybody else, But when I see guys

1393
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 1: off and say, well he's not a good progression reader,

1394
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 1: I think you gotta then look at what the offense

1395
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 1: is in college, what he's asked to do. A lot

1396
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 1: of times, these offenses in college, you know, are so

1397
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: well defined as to where the ball should be thrown

1398
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 1: that you know, yes, maybe he's not. You don't see

1399
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 1: on film that he's a progression reader, but it's hard

1400
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 1: to say that he's incapable of You don't know that

1401
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 1: it's a it's a question. And what the corner said

1402
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 1: to me, though, Greg, and again I'm interested in your

1403
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 1: take on it, he said, you know what, he's picking

1404
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 1: on the guy who's not going to make an NFL

1405
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:36,479
Speaker 1: roster anyway. Nothing wrong because will no. No. But here's

1406
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 1: the question, he said to me, I'm picking him off.

1407
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now, if he's going against me

1408
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 1: NFL level players who probably have at least two good corners,

1409
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 1: we're picking this kid off. He's not getting away with

1410
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 1: the stuff. He's getting away with and that's very possible,

1411
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 1: you know. Um, you know, I think in college it's

1412
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 1: obviously corners are nowhere near as good as they are

1413
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Um you know, there were so many

1414
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 1: of those. Every team now runs what we call mesh. Okay,

1415
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 1: do you know where the crossing the crossing routes underneath

1416
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 1: and in college pretty much that's open all the time.

1417
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 1: And Haskins through that all all the time. And so

1418
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 1: you can't blame Haskins for you can't knock them down

1419
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 1: a peg. But those are easy throws. The easy throws. Now,

1420
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 1: I did find that Haskins made probably Greg a little

1421
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 1: bit more of those kind of NFL intermediate middle of

1422
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:35,759
Speaker 1: the field ten to twenty yard on time, smaller windows

1423
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 1: throws than Murray was asked you from time to time,

1424
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 1: that's probably fair. I would say that's probably fair. And

1425
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 1: I wonder if that's because Haskins can see it better

1426
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 1: in the middle of the field again, because you know,

1427
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 1: more stature. Yeah, I mean what Haskins is, you know,

1428
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:49,760
Speaker 1: I don't know what he's gonna come in at. Hell,

1429
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 1: probably be six three. Is she's not six five? But

1430
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 1: six three big enough? I mean that's not an issue. Um, yeah,

1431
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 1: I mean there were Haskins made a number of you

1432
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:00,880
Speaker 1: know what you'd call big time orose. There's no question.

1433
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got ability. We're not saying he doesn't have,

1434
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:06,680
Speaker 1: you know, and look, we all know how it is.

1435
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:09,760
Speaker 1: Four guys will probably go in the first round. That's

1436
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:11,720
Speaker 1: the way it works. Now, whether they should or not

1437
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: is irrelevant. They're gonna go, and then depending on where

1438
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:18,759
Speaker 1: they go, they'll play. I mean, look at Mitchell Robinsky,

1439
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:21,640
Speaker 1: one year's starter. Bears traded up to get him at

1440
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 1: number two. Okay, we can debate whether he should have

1441
01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:26,680
Speaker 1: been the second pick in the draft. Probably in an

1442
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 1: abstract world, no, and then of course they announced he's

1443
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 1: never going to see the field year one, and then

1444
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:36,679
Speaker 1: what is it? By week three or four he's started quarterback.

1445
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 1: Now he clearly wasn't ready that first year. And and

1446
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 1: you know then obviously Matt Naggi comes in. And that's

1447
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:44,720
Speaker 1: why I'm such a big believer in coaching, because you know,

1448
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:47,720
Speaker 1: Matt Naggi is so good with his concepts that he

1449
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 1: could define so many of the throws for Trubisky. Guys

1450
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't try to maybe take one or two calls with

1451
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:54,680
Speaker 1: great go sell at the end of the segment two one,

1452
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 1: nine four or five o three get on the line,

1453
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 1: and you think about the offensive skill position guys in

1454
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 1: the draft or around the league. Is fair game? You

1455
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 1: mentioned potentially four quarterbacks in the first rune. I want

1456
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 1: to follow up on the point he made Paul very quick.

1457
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 1: Drew Lock and Daniel Jones. Are those your next two guys?

1458
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:11,599
Speaker 1: Or is it well Greer again? Break down the rest

1459
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 1: of the class for us? Who do you like? Well?

1460
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 1: Greer would not fit into that category. He wouldn't for

1461
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 1: me either, but I know some people do like it. Um,

1462
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:23,800
Speaker 1: Drew Lock to me, I'm I'm surprised he's not getting

1463
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 1: quite the love that I think he should. Now, he

1464
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 1: has a couple of issues. A couple of them are

1465
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 1: are are coachable, one is a little concerning, and and

1466
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 1: I bet for some it might knock him down quite

1467
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:37,639
Speaker 1: a bit. And that's the fact that he does show

1468
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 1: scattershot tendencies literally consistent right and linger and those scattershot

1469
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 1: tendencies where he's not accurate normally that doesn't get fixed normally.

1470
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 1: But he's a great thrower of the football. Watching him

1471
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 1: throw somewhat reminiscent of watching a Matthew Stafford type throw.

1472
01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 1: You know, this kid can throw it now, same build too. Yeah,

1473
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 1: and and he's so you know again, Um, My guess

1474
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 1: is he'll show well here in Indy because he'll look

1475
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 1: really good throwing it. You know, he's one of those

1476
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:12,599
Speaker 1: guys it comes out easy. Um. I don't think Will

1477
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:16,600
Speaker 1: Greer is a first aid player, but you do. How

1478
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:19,600
Speaker 1: about Jones? To get from du Daniel Jones to me

1479
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 1: is I wouldn't call him a top fifteen player in

1480
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 1: an ideal abstract world. Um, but you know, yeah, but

1481
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:33,840
Speaker 1: I think that he had the kind of player he

1482
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 1: needs to be. And I even made that note. I said, Jones,

1483
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 1: NFL game must be built on pre snap understanding and awareness,

1484
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:45,759
Speaker 1: repeated mechanics, strong pocket presence and toughness, quick eyes, precise

1485
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 1: ball placement, and enough functional mobility to make something happen.

1486
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:52,760
Speaker 1: To me, the comparison the way he throws the ball,

1487
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 1: just throwing it, I'm not talking about other part is

1488
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 1: a nick falls m interesting. That's to me kind of

1489
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:00,640
Speaker 1: what he looks like throwing the all know, we want

1490
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 1: to get to the calls. I make that one more

1491
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 1: question for you on this on this quarterback topic, Greg Uh,

1492
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 1: Dave Getlman just got done telling us that by far

1493
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 1: the most important facet that he needs out of a

1494
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 1: pro quarterback is instinct. Of these top four qbs, who

1495
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 1: can you say has the most instinct based on your

1496
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 1: film study. I'm not comping out here, but I don't

1497
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:26,599
Speaker 1: know what he means by that. That's my problem. Instinct

1498
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 1: is a is sort of a catch all free and

1499
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying this honestly. That's instinct is a catch all phrase.

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01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 1: People use it a lot of positions and to me,

1501
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:40,200
Speaker 1: and I know Dave very well, and I love Dave Getlman, Uh,

1502
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 1: but I don't know what he means by that. So,

1503
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 1: you know, it's like when people watch a linebacker and

1504
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 1: they say he's got great instincts. You know, I don't

1505
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:52,600
Speaker 1: everybody would define that differently. I think it's fair. Like like,

1506
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:54,760
Speaker 1: for instance, when I talk about a linebacker, I'll talk

1507
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:57,920
Speaker 1: about he's got great play recognition because he sees it

1508
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:01,599
Speaker 1: really fat. Maybe someone calls that in things. So does

1509
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:04,560
Speaker 1: Dave mean by instincts that a guy sees it, you know,

1510
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:07,559
Speaker 1: really fast? Is is he using instincts to talk about

1511
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:10,920
Speaker 1: the ability to eliminate what's not there and isolate what

1512
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 1: is there and reacting to pressure too? So yeah, I mean,

1513
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 1: so it's a catch all word that. In fact, if

1514
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 1: I see him, I'm going to ask him when he

1515
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 1: means by that. But but I don't. I don't know

1516
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:26,640
Speaker 1: exactly what his definition is. Who's most pro ready out

1517
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 1: of those top four guys? Then pro ready is a

1518
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:32,640
Speaker 1: relative term. I get it again. I'm sorry, it's a

1519
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:38,479
Speaker 1: relative term. I'm sorry. Um, Well, does Cutcliff give Daniel

1520
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:41,720
Speaker 1: Jones an advantage because he has had the mannings that

1521
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:45,679
Speaker 1: we all know about his quarterback prowess? And of course

1522
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 1: Jones had a lot of experience. He played a ton

1523
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 1: of snaps. Um, I've stumped him. Yeah, that's a hard

1524
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 1: question for me. You know, I'm proud of this though, Greg.

1525
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 1: I stumped you because you're the man. I mean, let's

1526
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 1: put it this way. I think if Kyler Murray came

1527
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 1: in and played, depending on who the coach was, and

1528
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:10,599
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's gonna be the number one pick

1529
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 1: in the draft, but if he played in the Cliff

1530
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:17,640
Speaker 1: Kingsbury offense, I think he'd be effective. Let's take a call.

1531
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:19,479
Speaker 1: Let's go to coach Marvin, and Delaware is one of

1532
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:21,959
Speaker 1: our best cars. He's a question for Greg on the quarterbacks.

1533
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 1: Coach Marvin, Good afternoon. How are you hi? Go ahead,

1534
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 1: Coach Marvin, ask your question for Greg. Yeah. I was

1535
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 1: just gonna go. But um, you know, I talked let's

1536
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 1: talk to you guys quite a bit, and again, I

1537
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:38,920
Speaker 1: feel that we have a lot of options on our

1538
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:42,760
Speaker 1: draft boards. Um, I think we're still gonna have to

1539
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 1: look at the quarterback and through our joke diligence and

1540
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:50,599
Speaker 1: those quarterbacks um past him. Uh, I hear what y'all

1541
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:55,800
Speaker 1: was saying. Again, they get dripped down and somebody's gonna

1542
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:58,040
Speaker 1: have to build them back up. What's your question, coach

1543
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:02,639
Speaker 1: Marvin Well, Well, not just at a statement. The only

1544
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:04,599
Speaker 1: thing I want to say is I agree, but we're

1545
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:09,280
Speaker 1: asking where he is a guy that's doing whatever they

1546
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:11,639
Speaker 1: coaches sellers in the June when the sting the ball.

1547
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 1: But really, one quick question is what I always talked

1548
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:18,080
Speaker 1: about Studdon Smith. He's not gonna be in the first

1549
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 1: few days. I just wanted to know what he thinks

1550
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 1: about Studton Smith out of North Coach Morton loves his

1551
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 1: Sunton Smith. He's at two thirty pound outside linebacker at Yeah,

1552
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:32,519
Speaker 1: I didn't think so. Um, I haven't got into defense yet.

1553
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 1: That's gonna be after the combine. Overall, I want to

1554
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:37,479
Speaker 1: talk about concepts because you know when people talk a

1555
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 1: little bit about Greg the NFL game and they've got

1556
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 1: him in the said it before that you know the

1557
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:44,760
Speaker 1: college game is not the NFL game. But that's not

1558
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 1: the same thing that it was twenty years ago. More

1559
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:49,439
Speaker 1: and more colleges speaking their way in. When you see

1560
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:52,120
Speaker 1: that on tape, one of the things you're seeing that

1561
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:54,599
Speaker 1: makes you say, boy, the pro game looks a lot

1562
01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:56,680
Speaker 1: more like the college game. Well, I think when you

1563
01:15:56,760 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 1: see quarterbacks in the gun h and three wide received vers.

1564
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:02,559
Speaker 1: You see a lot of the same past game concepts

1565
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:07,160
Speaker 1: in both college and the NFL. You know, I and yeah,

1566
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 1: Now what Dave might mean is and and again what

1567
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:13,639
Speaker 1: you don't see in college hardly ever. There's a few teams, yes,

1568
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 1: but you rarely ever see twelve personnel meaning two tight ends.

1569
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 1: You don't see that in the college game very often

1570
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 1: at all. Now, when you do that, if you're gonna

1571
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:24,000
Speaker 1: run the ball, obviously your offensive linemen have to have

1572
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:26,599
Speaker 1: their hand in the ground and three point stances. Very

1573
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 1: rarely in college football do offensive linemen line up in

1574
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 1: a three point stance. They're in a two point stance

1575
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 1: because they're every team is in the gun and they're

1576
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:37,759
Speaker 1: just their past protecting. So you you evaluate offensive linemen

1577
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:39,960
Speaker 1: and sometimes you don't have a real good feel for

1578
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:42,160
Speaker 1: how they're gonna down block or you know, how they're

1579
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:44,400
Speaker 1: gonna drive block, because they're not asked to do that.

1580
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:47,560
Speaker 1: So in that way, you know, the game is not

1581
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:50,679
Speaker 1: the same. And you know, I think most people would

1582
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 1: agree maybe it's changing. You know, I try to sort

1583
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:57,800
Speaker 1: of change with the game and constantly think about the

1584
01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 1: game and what I see but I think at some

1585
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:04,559
Speaker 1: point in the NFL, pretty much everybody does line up

1586
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 1: with the quarterback under center and run the ball, you know,

1587
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 1: sort of what might be considered nowadays old school, where

1588
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:13,600
Speaker 1: they run the ball and you're all alignment, have to

1589
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:17,240
Speaker 1: block and your back has to you know, work inside

1590
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 1: and get hard, tough, hard earned yards. All right, Since

1591
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 1: we have Greg here and he did so much going

1592
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 1: to study on the quarterback prospects, and I'm sure you've

1593
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:28,720
Speaker 1: probably have seen enough of Eli Manning film this year

1594
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 1: as well too. But I mean, you know, I'm gonna

1595
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:36,200
Speaker 1: make you general manager of the Genets right now, okay,

1596
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 1: And I'm not I'm not gonna pin you down to

1597
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 1: which defensive player you would take, though he may actually

1598
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 1: physically pin you down if you give the wrong answers.

1599
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 1: Manning guy, right, let me make that clear to you. Uh,

1600
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:51,800
Speaker 1: do you believe that there is quote the next franchise

1601
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 1: quarterback here at number six for the Giants, whether or

1602
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:57,080
Speaker 1: not the guy sits for a year or two behind Eli,

1603
01:17:57,360 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna push that question aside. Is that guy here

1604
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:04,760
Speaker 1: at number six for them? Or do you suspect even

1605
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 1: though you haven't looked at defense, there will be a

1606
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:11,360
Speaker 1: top prized defensive player or group of defensive players that

1607
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:16,679
Speaker 1: would push you away from taking a QB. My senses

1608
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 1: and a lot of these defensive players I watched last

1609
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:21,720
Speaker 1: summer from the year before and haven't yet gotten to them,

1610
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:24,280
Speaker 1: but I have a feel for what they are. Um

1611
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 1: my sense is that there's not a quarterback at six

1612
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:36,479
Speaker 1: that I would pound on the table for now. Having

1613
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:42,320
Speaker 1: said that it's quarterback, you the ultimate decision rests on

1614
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:46,840
Speaker 1: what you think Eli is for a year or two.

1615
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:48,640
Speaker 1: I mean, he's going to be the starting quarterback this

1616
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 1: year that we know. My guess is based on what

1617
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:56,519
Speaker 1: I've seen and I need to do more work, is

1618
01:18:56,600 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 1: that on your draft board there'll be a d offensive

1619
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 1: player at six who's more highly rated than the quarterback. Now,

1620
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 1: then it depends on where that quarterback is rated. If

1621
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:11,559
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks rated eight or nine, then you can take

1622
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 1: him at six. If he's rated twenty one, you can't

1623
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 1: take him at six. That's the way teams don't do

1624
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 1: the draft well. You reach, you gamble, and you pay

1625
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:24,360
Speaker 1: for it. Right And again, I'm not saying, because I

1626
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:27,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't necessarily take a quarterback at six that none of

1627
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:30,759
Speaker 1: these guys are going to be any good totally understood.

1628
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:33,639
Speaker 1: I just don't know, you know, I just don't feel

1629
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 1: like I jump up on the table for him. Jason

1630
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 1: and Portland has a question for Greg on the quarterbacks,

1631
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:40,240
Speaker 1: then we're gonna say goodbye. Jason, go ahead, what's your

1632
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:44,800
Speaker 1: question for Greg? Well, good afternoon, gentlemen. Real quick, now

1633
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 1: that Nick Foles is staring us in the face as

1634
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 1: a free agent, why would he not be just as good,

1635
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 1: if not better, as an option? Then the quarterbacks in

1636
01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 1: the draft hang up and take the question off air.

1637
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 1: That's a great that that is a great question. And

1638
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 1: you've watched a ton of Nickles breaking down this year,

1639
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 1: you know. It's funny. I was talking to a an

1640
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator last night who you know, it's been in

1641
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 1: the league for a number of years, and we were

1642
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 1: just sort of talking about quarterbacks in the league in general,

1643
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 1: and he said to me, you know, Nick Foles. If

1644
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna really truly evaluate Nick Foles, he probably ranks

1645
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 1: from eighteen to twenty in the NFL. You know, and again,

1646
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 1: you can line up and play with Nick Foles. We

1647
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 1: know that, We absolutely know that the fact that he

1648
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:32,800
Speaker 1: wants Super Bowl enhances. I think what he is, but

1649
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:35,360
Speaker 1: Nick Foles was a third round pick. He's not a

1650
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:38,320
Speaker 1: high level talent. Now, I think there's a calmness to

1651
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:41,680
Speaker 1: him and a poise to him that is really positive.

1652
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:45,640
Speaker 1: And I think that he's a schemed quarterback. You have

1653
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:48,799
Speaker 1: to run a certain kind of offense, which is okay.

1654
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:51,320
Speaker 1: A lot of quarterbacks are scheme quarterbacks. I'm not saying

1655
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 1: that that's oh my god, terrible, but he's not. He's

1656
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:57,559
Speaker 1: not the kind of quarterback that you would let's say,

1657
01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:00,600
Speaker 1: draft or sign and say we can do anything we

1658
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:02,519
Speaker 1: want now we got Nick Foles. I think you have

1659
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:05,760
Speaker 1: to clear have a clear eyed understanding of what he

1660
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:07,720
Speaker 1: is and what he isn't. Great final one before you

1661
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 1: say goodbye. Analytics are I don't want to use the term,

1662
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:13,439
Speaker 1: but I'll use it. Invading the NFL, you see more

1663
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 1: and more people that are correct well, and I'm being honest,

1664
01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:19,480
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna give it to you right now. Specifically,

1665
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:23,519
Speaker 1: the analytics community tend to believe that running the football

1666
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 1: is borderline useless and it is a passing game. Should

1667
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 1: never hand off, not never, but the yards per play

1668
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:34,800
Speaker 1: running the football is so much lower than your yards

1669
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:36,960
Speaker 1: per play. Playing quarterback, the only reason you run the

1670
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:40,479
Speaker 1: football is to keep the defense a monica of honesty

1671
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:42,519
Speaker 1: to open up your passing game. And you should pass

1672
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:44,519
Speaker 1: a lot more on first down than NFL teams do,

1673
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:47,719
Speaker 1: and things of that nature. How much from you watching

1674
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 1: coaches and watching film? Where can you see that? I

1675
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:53,240
Speaker 1: mean again, this is why I struggle with this, and

1676
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:55,760
Speaker 1: I'm not knocking the analytics community at all. That's why

1677
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:57,360
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you the potion. I think it

1678
01:21:57,439 --> 01:21:59,800
Speaker 1: gets more complicated than they like to make it. Well,

1679
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 1: not complicated. I think they simplify it more than then

1680
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:07,240
Speaker 1: it really is because there's so many of Okay, so

1681
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:09,960
Speaker 1: let's say, okay, don't run the ball, let's throw it. Okay,

1682
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:11,960
Speaker 1: what kind of throws? What are you gonna you know,

1683
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:14,320
Speaker 1: let's say you're throwing a first down and send complete.

1684
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:16,760
Speaker 1: Then what's your throw on second down? Then let's say

1685
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:19,280
Speaker 1: it's third and eight, what's your throw? I mean it's

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01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 1: and also what personnel packages and what's your talent level? Too?

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01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 1: Exactly right? I mean again, I don't know enough about it.

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01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:29,120
Speaker 1: And if some guy was sitting here who's into it,

1689
01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:30,880
Speaker 1: he might tell me I'm an idiot and maybe I

1690
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 1: am because I don't I don't know their business, you know. Um,

1691
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:38,360
Speaker 1: And I know analytics are very important nowadays and teams

1692
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 1: literally higher companies, you know, and to tell tell them

1693
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:45,120
Speaker 1: what to do in certain situations, and that's built into

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01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:48,160
Speaker 1: their place sheets. No, I know this, So I'm not

1695
01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:51,599
Speaker 1: knocking analytics. But to me, I think there's so many

1696
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:55,519
Speaker 1: variables that I don't know. You know, I don't know

1697
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 1: what they mean. Like when you say throw, you know,

1698
01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:00,760
Speaker 1: the teams should throw more, well more, I will ask

1699
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:03,599
Speaker 1: more specific question. Then we saw the Patriots win playing

1700
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:05,880
Speaker 1: away this year that a lot of people thought was extinct.

1701
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 1: They used the fullback more than any other team in

1702
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:10,160
Speaker 1: the Indlish and it's not even close. They played so

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01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:13,479
Speaker 1: much they ran it on first and second down all

1704
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:15,960
Speaker 1: the time. I mean, they did all that sort of stuff.

1705
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:19,599
Speaker 1: So how much do you see the league continuing towards

1706
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 1: say what like the Chiefs are doing, for example, or

1707
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:24,599
Speaker 1: do you see, you know, with Zekel Elliott, with Sae

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01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:26,960
Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley, with these other great running backs. Do you

1709
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:29,200
Speaker 1: see where do you see the league moving in terms

1710
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 1: of that battle between going wide open, spread throat all

1711
01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 1: over the field and old school run the football, power

1712
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:39,840
Speaker 1: play action, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Well, why can't you do both? Well,

1713
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 1: you can, that's a great answer. Why can't you do

1714
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:49,320
Speaker 1: That's the best answer. I mean, I think the the

1715
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:53,640
Speaker 1: larger point is what the league is moving toward in

1716
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 1: some ways. And this is what colleges do is offenses

1717
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:03,440
Speaker 1: and and plays plays that are built on more misdirection,

1718
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 1: more deception, trying to create conflict for the defense. That's

1719
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:12,560
Speaker 1: what I think. That's where the college influx is. You know,

1720
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:15,840
Speaker 1: that's all the jet sweep action, that's all the you know,

1721
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:20,080
Speaker 1: the misdirection looks you're trying to create conflict. Now, to

1722
01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:23,720
Speaker 1: give a broader answer to your question, John, so much

1723
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:25,839
Speaker 1: of what you want to do on offense is dictated

1724
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:29,120
Speaker 1: by your quarterback, of course. I mean, let me look,

1725
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 1: you have the Cowboys in your division. Scott land a

1726
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 1: hand was in the NFL for a long long time. Okay,

1727
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:36,479
Speaker 1: I know in Dallas they probably think he's an idiot,

1728
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 1: but he's been in the NFL for a long long time.

1729
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:42,280
Speaker 1: Given isn't the job there anymore? Probably right what I'm saying,

1730
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:44,240
Speaker 1: But I'm saying he's been a coach for a long,

1731
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:48,880
Speaker 1: long time. Right. Okay, so do you do we think

1732
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:51,320
Speaker 1: that he doesn't really know football? Do we think that

1733
01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:54,080
Speaker 1: Scotland a Hand doesn't know pass game? And he's had

1734
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:56,599
Speaker 1: a lot of success by the way, Yeah, So let

1735
01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 1: me ask you this question. Why was the Cowboys passing

1736
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 1: game as basic and rudimentary and remedial as there was

1737
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:05,839
Speaker 1: in the NFL? Is it because Scotland Hand doesn't know anymore?

1738
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:11,240
Speaker 1: Probably not? So why is that their personnel? Probably their

1739
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:15,920
Speaker 1: quarterback necessity again, so you know, it's easy to say,

1740
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:18,840
Speaker 1: let's do this, this and this and this is what

1741
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:21,560
Speaker 1: we should be doing, but then you gotta factor in

1742
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 1: a lot of other things. Great, we're with you, Bay,

1743
01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:27,439
Speaker 1: awesome stuff. Greg, We really appreciate coming on with us.

1744
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:32,160
Speaker 1: Great yourself from NFL Films. Joe Marino from The Draft

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1749
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Speaker 1: be having one guy from the Draft Network on each

1751
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:47,800
Speaker 1: one of our shows on our leadoff Hitter will be

1752
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Speaker 1: Joe Marino and Joe. First of all, I want to

1753
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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about what you guys are doing

1754
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Speaker 1: with the site. You relaunched the site and they have

1755
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Speaker 1: a great feature that I think Giant fans are gonna

1756
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Speaker 1: love when they get ready to figure out what's gonna

1757
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:00,840
Speaker 1: happen in the NFL draft, to tell us that, yeah,

1758
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:02,360
Speaker 1: you guys can go ahead and be the expert down

1759
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Speaker 1: the Draft network dot com and we have our mock

1760
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1761
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1762
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1763
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Speaker 1: uh it allows you to work through all seven rounds.

1764
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1766
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1767
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1768
01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:24,320
Speaker 1: But then you get to pull the trigger when it's

1769
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:26,200
Speaker 1: time for the Giants or whatever team you want to control.

1770
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Speaker 1: things and make sure we can handle the amount of users.

1776
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 1: So that's good. We've learned a lot about technology here

1777
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Speaker 1: in the last few days. Thank you, Thank you what

1778
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:45,559
Speaker 1: made you guys come up with that? If I may

1779
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:48,200
Speaker 1: kind of digress from the combine for just a second,

1780
01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:51,479
Speaker 1: because it truly is the first of its kind. Well,

1781
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:53,960
Speaker 1: I'll tell you you guys are gonna have some of

1782
01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:56,439
Speaker 1: our other UH staff staff members on over the next

1783
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Speaker 1: couple of days. And it's just been the vision of

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Speaker 1: of all all of us coming together and being able

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01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 1: to have some some great backing and being able to

1786
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Speaker 1: get this thing done. And you know, the NFL draft

1787
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Speaker 1: has been covered UH pretty mediocre in our opinion for

1788
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:10,439
Speaker 1: a long time. We really wanted to kind of raise

1789
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Speaker 1: the bar and UH and and put together not only

1790
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:15,560
Speaker 1: just great analysis, but tools that people can use to

1791
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Speaker 1: be the expert and come on and UH and UH

1792
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 1: take control and take our information and then apply it

1793
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Speaker 1: to the simulator and you show us what you what

1794
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 1: you got. And so people went awesome sharing mock drafts

1795
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:27,559
Speaker 1: with us. We've been commenting back and forth and discussing

1796
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:29,560
Speaker 1: him and it's really led to some great discussions. And

1797
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 1: again it is the Draft Network dot Com. Make sure

1798
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:33,479
Speaker 1: you check it out. And now, Joe, let's get into

1799
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:36,200
Speaker 1: this draft class because it's it's it's an interesting group.

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01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:38,920
Speaker 1: We had Matt milleran earlier today he kind of had

1801
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:42,760
Speaker 1: his top three guys in the draft, Alan Bosa, Williams

1802
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:45,200
Speaker 1: and then everybody else after that. Is that how you

1803
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:46,800
Speaker 1: guys see it too? Or do you see it a

1804
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:49,240
Speaker 1: little bit more muddy at the top of the first round. Yeah,

1805
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:51,120
Speaker 1: I think Boston and Williams one too for me. But

1806
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:52,920
Speaker 1: then at three I can be convinced of a lot

1807
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:54,760
Speaker 1: of different things. In these coming days are gonna be

1808
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:57,280
Speaker 1: very important in defining that to who do you like?

1809
01:27:57,479 --> 01:28:00,160
Speaker 1: I like DK Metcalf, this wide receiver from old US.

1810
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:02,680
Speaker 1: Now I think not look there we go, we got

1811
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:04,560
Speaker 1: a reaction here, But I'm telling you this is the

1812
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:07,439
Speaker 1: player with the highest ceiling in the draft in terms

1813
01:28:07,439 --> 01:28:09,320
Speaker 1: of an offensive player. We talked about all these great

1814
01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:12,160
Speaker 1: defensive players, but I mean the physical skill set with

1815
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:14,519
Speaker 1: DK Metcalf is just rare and special and stuff that

1816
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:17,479
Speaker 1: we talked about with guys like Julio Jones and A. J. Green,

1817
01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:20,200
Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson. I was a little careful there. We'll see

1818
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:22,639
Speaker 1: if he runs that four three and a couple of days,

1819
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:24,960
Speaker 1: we'll start talking Calvin Johnson. But he's just got rare traits.

1820
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:26,799
Speaker 1: If it all comes together, he's gonna be a dominant,

1821
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:29,120
Speaker 1: dominant football player. So I'm betting on some upside there.

1822
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:31,160
Speaker 1: I just think he's got He's got gifts and stuff

1823
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:33,720
Speaker 1: that you can't teach. That get me really excited. So

1824
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:35,680
Speaker 1: now if he blows up here with some of the

1825
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:39,400
Speaker 1: skills at the combine, your projection won't be so shocking

1826
01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:41,000
Speaker 1: to people because all of a sudden he is going

1827
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 1: to shoot up. Yeah, and you know, we've been on

1828
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:45,360
Speaker 1: this train since summer, and you know he he kind

1829
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:47,240
Speaker 1: of had the season we were hoping. But obviously things

1830
01:28:47,320 --> 01:28:49,560
Speaker 1: got the railed with the with the next thing. But

1831
01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:52,519
Speaker 1: that's been cleared. It's obviously nonspinal, which is great news.

1832
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:54,880
Speaker 1: And uh, if he if he shows up like we

1833
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:56,840
Speaker 1: think he's going to, I don't think it's gonna be

1834
01:28:56,880 --> 01:29:00,360
Speaker 1: that crazy. I think the last receiver to me and

1835
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:02,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go a little old school on you who

1836
01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:04,160
Speaker 1: had that kind of bulk on his frame was an

1837
01:29:04,240 --> 01:29:07,280
Speaker 1: Kuom Bolden. He didn't have the speed, what the agility

1838
01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:10,200
Speaker 1: that this kid has. Please I don't want to compare

1839
01:29:10,240 --> 01:29:13,080
Speaker 1: them in that regard, but I mean I remember being

1840
01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:15,800
Speaker 1: next to Bolden after a game and if he didn't

1841
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:19,679
Speaker 1: look like some hulking tight end even on the larger side.

1842
01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:23,160
Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about, And I wonder is there

1843
01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:25,920
Speaker 1: any concern even though he has put up some great

1844
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:28,200
Speaker 1: speed numbers and he's been terrific with his agility and

1845
01:29:28,240 --> 01:29:31,240
Speaker 1: his athleticism, that you know what, what he gets to

1846
01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:33,920
Speaker 1: the NFL, this muscle bound guy is gonna wind up

1847
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:36,720
Speaker 1: having a lot of injuries, also pulls soft tissue stuff. Here,

1848
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:39,479
Speaker 1: here's where my mind goes with that. His his father,

1849
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:42,560
Speaker 1: his grandfather, and his uncle twenty seven years combined in

1850
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:45,160
Speaker 1: the NFL. He's training at Texos, which is the most

1851
01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:48,640
Speaker 1: elite training facility in the world for preparing players for

1852
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:50,920
Speaker 1: the combine in the NFL. There's no way that they're

1853
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:52,920
Speaker 1: training this guy in ways that are gonna be detrimental

1854
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:56,560
Speaker 1: to his drafts. So that's kind that's fair. Of the

1855
01:29:56,720 --> 01:30:00,280
Speaker 1: offensive tackles and pass rushers. Throw met after this side

1856
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:02,760
Speaker 1: for a second, and you're talking number six. Who were

1857
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:06,080
Speaker 1: the guys for you that would legitimately be good value

1858
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:07,880
Speaker 1: for the Giants at six of the edge rushers and

1859
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:10,640
Speaker 1: the offensive tackles. Yeah, an offensive tackle. The name that

1860
01:30:10,720 --> 01:30:14,240
Speaker 1: I'm just highest on Joan Taylor from Florida. He thought

1861
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:16,320
Speaker 1: he had a dominant season this past year. He's long

1862
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:18,479
Speaker 1: six five, he's got the long arms, but it's it's

1863
01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:20,920
Speaker 1: it's how well he performs in three critical areas. He's

1864
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:23,400
Speaker 1: a great pass blocker, and he went up a murderer's

1865
01:30:23,479 --> 01:30:25,200
Speaker 1: row of pass rushers in this this year. A lot

1866
01:30:25,240 --> 01:30:27,160
Speaker 1: of the guys that we're gonna talk about as options

1867
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:29,080
Speaker 1: to draft that passwords where he faced them, so we

1868
01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:31,400
Speaker 1: don't have to really guess he's placed, played great competition

1869
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:34,720
Speaker 1: shut him down. Yeah, that he wins in space. I

1870
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:36,840
Speaker 1: mean this is a big guy that you you don't

1871
01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:39,519
Speaker 1: see guys reach landmarks in space like he does. And

1872
01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:41,040
Speaker 1: so he can go out and hit a cornerback on

1873
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:42,760
Speaker 1: the perimeter. He can go up to the second level

1874
01:30:43,080 --> 01:30:45,360
Speaker 1: and seal off linebackers and get down to safeties. I mean,

1875
01:30:45,400 --> 01:30:47,920
Speaker 1: he's really athletic. And then he moves people. I mean,

1876
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:49,960
Speaker 1: you have no questions about this guy to move bodies

1877
01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:51,439
Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage or some of the other

1878
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:54,240
Speaker 1: tackles have really good footwork and really good athletic ability,

1879
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:56,519
Speaker 1: but we've never really seen them fire off the ball

1880
01:30:56,600 --> 01:30:58,920
Speaker 1: and really move bodies. I have no questions that Taylor

1881
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:01,200
Speaker 1: can do that sot of offensive tackle. That's the guy

1882
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:03,240
Speaker 1: that I would want if I was a giant at

1883
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:06,040
Speaker 1: h is at six six and then edge rusher, you know,

1884
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:08,320
Speaker 1: That's that's what's so interesting is because you can see

1885
01:31:08,360 --> 01:31:10,640
Speaker 1: these guys just going super early, but they could slide right.

1886
01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:13,360
Speaker 1: So Josh Allen from Kentucky, that dude ran circles around

1887
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:16,719
Speaker 1: sec offensive tackles all season long. I think you gotta

1888
01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:18,640
Speaker 1: talk about Brian Burns from Florida State. Now, he's a

1889
01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:21,920
Speaker 1: little lean. I think he's gonna challenge to be fifty

1890
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:24,680
Speaker 1: this week. Bendy though, he's real. Bendy's real explosive, and

1891
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:28,840
Speaker 1: he's probably Bosa aside, probably the most technically refined pass

1892
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:31,600
Speaker 1: rusher in this class. I'm very comfortable with how he

1893
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:33,880
Speaker 1: sets up his pass rush move moves and uses his

1894
01:31:33,960 --> 01:31:37,000
Speaker 1: length and uses his hands to really mitigate that surface there,

1895
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:38,920
Speaker 1: and you can't block what you can't touch. And he

1896
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:42,080
Speaker 1: has a really uncanny ability to get skinny around the end.

1897
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:44,960
Speaker 1: And I love his variants. He's gotta swim, he's gotta spin,

1898
01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:46,680
Speaker 1: he moves inside. I just think he does so much

1899
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:48,200
Speaker 1: as a pass rusher. He's gonna be in the back guy.

1900
01:31:48,240 --> 01:31:51,080
Speaker 1: All right, let's stick with those two positions. Let's hypothetically

1901
01:31:51,160 --> 01:31:54,799
Speaker 1: say that Dave Gentleman decides I don't see a franchise

1902
01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:57,639
Speaker 1: quarterback at six, and I'm not gonna do that. Well,

1903
01:31:57,960 --> 01:32:01,080
Speaker 1: chances are he may not take in the second round either.

1904
01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:04,120
Speaker 1: So if he if if he was gonna say to himself,

1905
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:09,479
Speaker 1: there's quality plug and play at tackle and at edge rusher,

1906
01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:11,880
Speaker 1: and he gets one of those in the first round,

1907
01:32:12,280 --> 01:32:14,280
Speaker 1: who could he get in the second round at either

1908
01:32:14,360 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 1: of those positions, who would be a plug and play

1909
01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:18,960
Speaker 1: guy who could make an impact? You know what? The

1910
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:21,519
Speaker 1: valuation of this edge class is gonna be so interesting

1911
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:24,080
Speaker 1: to me. I can see six or eight going in

1912
01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:25,840
Speaker 1: the first round, and if that happens, if they all

1913
01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 1: get snatched up, there's not gonna be a lot of

1914
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:29,920
Speaker 1: value there in the second round. And so you're talking

1915
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:33,320
Speaker 1: about two premium positions and protecting quarterbacks and getting after quarterbacks.

1916
01:32:33,720 --> 01:32:35,559
Speaker 1: So you know, I mean part of that is gonna

1917
01:32:35,560 --> 01:32:39,040
Speaker 1: be obviously what dictates after that pick uh in in

1918
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:41,320
Speaker 1: you know who's available there in round two. But I

1919
01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:43,240
Speaker 1: feel like you talk plug and play. That was the

1920
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:45,959
Speaker 1: word you mentioned there. I think Joan Taylor at offensive

1921
01:32:46,040 --> 01:32:48,280
Speaker 1: tackle is the guy that I think is is the

1922
01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:51,320
Speaker 1: most ready to step in right now and block people.

1923
01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:53,599
Speaker 1: And I like some of the pass rushers. Maybe round two,

1924
01:32:53,640 --> 01:32:57,160
Speaker 1: maybe Montust Montes Sweat gets there, maybe Zicai Polite from

1925
01:32:57,160 --> 01:32:59,760
Speaker 1: Florida gets there. We're gonna see those guys can get

1926
01:32:59,800 --> 01:33:02,599
Speaker 1: put down. But I can see him getting snatched up,

1927
01:33:02,640 --> 01:33:04,160
Speaker 1: So you know, it's gonna be kind of a waiting game.

1928
01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:06,320
Speaker 1: Matt Miller say he doesn't have a cornerback on his

1929
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:09,160
Speaker 1: mock draft going until they pick overall, how do you

1930
01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:11,320
Speaker 1: guys see the corner how do you specifically see the cornerback?

1931
01:33:11,320 --> 01:33:13,080
Speaker 1: Class you I don't disagree with that at all. I think,

1932
01:33:13,439 --> 01:33:14,880
Speaker 1: you know, I could see that. I see him in

1933
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:17,240
Speaker 1: play with Cleveland right there in the early in the

1934
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:19,559
Speaker 1: late teens. And then yeah, that's great. You're talking about

1935
01:33:19,720 --> 01:33:22,599
Speaker 1: greedy Byron Murphy for Washington. You know, I think those

1936
01:33:22,600 --> 01:33:24,600
Speaker 1: are probably the two guys you'd feel comfortable within the

1937
01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:26,840
Speaker 1: second round. I think the sweet spot for cornerbacks gonna

1938
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:29,439
Speaker 1: be Round two. Got guys like Justin Lane from Michigan State,

1939
01:33:29,680 --> 01:33:32,280
Speaker 1: Amani oh I g his last name is Tough from

1940
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:35,320
Speaker 1: Penn State. He's a good player, DeAndre Baker from Georgia. There.

1941
01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:37,360
Speaker 1: I think if you start talking second round, you know,

1942
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:40,519
Speaker 1: risky a little bit there with greedy. I like Byron Murphy.

1943
01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:42,800
Speaker 1: But again that that sweet spot the second round, But

1944
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:44,920
Speaker 1: then after that, I think the well pretty much drives up.

1945
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:46,920
Speaker 1: And so I don't love the depth of this cornerback class.

1946
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:49,479
Speaker 1: There seems to be a consensus, and Dave Gettleman has

1947
01:33:49,479 --> 01:33:51,840
Speaker 1: pretty much said anyway, the Giants need to get a

1948
01:33:51,880 --> 01:33:53,920
Speaker 1: lot of help on defense, all right, So if they

1949
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:57,240
Speaker 1: need to get somebody who's gonna help at all three levels,

1950
01:33:57,280 --> 01:34:00,040
Speaker 1: we seem to think, okay, linebacker, edge rusher, defend to

1951
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:03,800
Speaker 1: vandage rusher, cornerback, but what about safety. They've got land

1952
01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:05,840
Speaker 1: in college right now, who is going to be an

1953
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:08,439
Speaker 1: undistricted free agent may or may not get tagged, may

1954
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:10,639
Speaker 1: or may not sign. But they've also got a free

1955
01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:13,639
Speaker 1: safety spot, which Curtis Riley manned last year. I don't

1956
01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:17,439
Speaker 1: think he's coming back. So is there a safety who

1957
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:19,960
Speaker 1: in your mind? I don't think anyone's there at safety?

1958
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:23,240
Speaker 1: It's six, But is there a safety high second round

1959
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:25,200
Speaker 1: or if they could get back into the third round

1960
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:27,720
Speaker 1: that could get on the field right away from them.

1961
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:31,559
Speaker 1: Guy loves not see her adderly from Delaware. Everybody seems

1962
01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:34,040
Speaker 1: to like he's so his tape is sensational. He might not.

1963
01:34:34,120 --> 01:34:35,800
Speaker 1: He's not gonna be a top ten player for me,

1964
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:39,280
Speaker 1: but I'm not when I watch watch tape, just specifically tape,

1965
01:34:39,400 --> 01:34:41,559
Speaker 1: he's probably got top ten tape in terms of these players.

1966
01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:44,120
Speaker 1: I just really good football player. What I love is

1967
01:34:44,200 --> 01:34:46,360
Speaker 1: that he played so many different positions. He lined up

1968
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:48,080
Speaker 1: peep off the ball, he lined up in the slot,

1969
01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:50,400
Speaker 1: line up in the box, and he just finds ways

1970
01:34:50,439 --> 01:34:52,280
Speaker 1: to make plays at all levels of the field. He's

1971
01:34:52,280 --> 01:34:54,960
Speaker 1: a really quick processor, he gets after it, takes good angles.

1972
01:34:55,280 --> 01:34:58,560
Speaker 1: Ball skills are sensational. He's physical, good return guy. I

1973
01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:01,160
Speaker 1: trust him in man, I call trust him in deep zones,

1974
01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:03,640
Speaker 1: shallow zones. I mean, he just does so much. So

1975
01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:05,800
Speaker 1: we'll see how he how he fares I thought he

1976
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:08,000
Speaker 1: was okay at the Senior Bowl. Obviously, coming from Delaware,

1977
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:09,759
Speaker 1: you want to see how he plays against top competition.

1978
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:12,599
Speaker 1: So maybe not an immediate guy, but I think he's

1979
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:14,599
Speaker 1: got the best long term potential. Let's see, I thought

1980
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:17,920
Speaker 1: he came out of the same bin as Jubil Peppers. Yeah,

1981
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:20,000
Speaker 1: I like that because they both played deeper off the

1982
01:35:20,040 --> 01:35:23,360
Speaker 1: ball at times in both still found ways to be impactful.

1983
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:25,439
Speaker 1: When I'm talking about Peppers, I mean the NFL version

1984
01:35:25,479 --> 01:35:28,160
Speaker 1: of it. In Michigan, he really played linebacker. Yea, yeah,

1985
01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:30,120
Speaker 1: because Greg Williams had him thirty yards off the field

1986
01:35:30,160 --> 01:35:34,320
Speaker 1: that time in those games. Um, final one from me, linebacker. Um.

1987
01:35:34,840 --> 01:35:36,160
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people love Devon Won of

1988
01:35:36,160 --> 01:35:37,600
Speaker 1: the top ten guy. I think he misses a lot

1989
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:41,000
Speaker 1: of tackles. He gets a lot out of control when

1990
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:42,800
Speaker 1: he goes after guys. How do you look at the

1991
01:35:42,840 --> 01:35:44,920
Speaker 1: linebacker class? Is this really of the position? Do you

1992
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:47,000
Speaker 1: think one of the weaker groups in this year's draft class?

1993
01:35:47,120 --> 01:35:48,960
Speaker 1: For sure, especially after last year where there were so

1994
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:51,160
Speaker 1: many good linebackers. But yeah, I mean Devin White's right

1995
01:35:51,160 --> 01:35:52,760
Speaker 1: there at the top of the list for linebackers. Mack

1996
01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:55,360
Speaker 1: Wilson from Alabama. Devin Bush from Michigan. How how do

1997
01:35:55,439 --> 01:35:57,760
Speaker 1: you have White going in in your guys evaluation? I

1998
01:35:57,840 --> 01:35:59,719
Speaker 1: think White's gonna be a first round guy just because

1999
01:35:59,760 --> 01:36:01,800
Speaker 1: he's so athletic. I mean, but like top ten the

2000
01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:04,400
Speaker 1: way for me personally, No, I'm not comfortable with that.

2001
01:36:04,439 --> 01:36:06,960
Speaker 1: I think the mistackles and then I think his wires

2002
01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:09,000
Speaker 1: get crossed a little bit as a processor at times,

2003
01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:12,120
Speaker 1: and so I see the upside. I have questions, but

2004
01:36:12,479 --> 01:36:14,920
Speaker 1: it also being inside is that lowers value a little

2005
01:36:14,920 --> 01:36:16,640
Speaker 1: bit as opposed to not being an edge guy. No,

2006
01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:18,640
Speaker 1: because I think he's still gonna play three downs. I

2007
01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:22,240
Speaker 1: mean his athleticism, his ability to play in space, I mean,

2008
01:36:22,360 --> 01:36:24,920
Speaker 1: go in any direction, He'll be fine in that. So Joe,

2009
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:27,439
Speaker 1: awesome stuff, man. We appreciate it again. The Draft Network

2010
01:36:27,520 --> 01:36:29,960
Speaker 1: dot Com. Check out their mock draft simulator, their big Board.

2011
01:36:30,120 --> 01:36:31,560
Speaker 1: You can put all that together and you can do

2012
01:36:31,640 --> 01:36:33,840
Speaker 1: your own mock draft from now until the draft at

2013
01:36:33,880 --> 01:36:36,200
Speaker 1: the end of April. We'll have more coming your way.

2014
01:36:36,240 --> 01:36:38,360
Speaker 1: Bob Glabber from Newsday joins us next on Big Blue

2015
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:40,920
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2016
01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:43,400
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2017
01:36:43,400 --> 01:36:46,080
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2018
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2019
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:50,080
Speaker 1: pulled the Tino and now our next guest is Bob

2020
01:36:50,120 --> 01:36:53,800
Speaker 1: Glabber from Newsday covers the NFL. Uh. Bob will get

2021
01:36:53,800 --> 01:36:55,040
Speaker 1: to your book in a second. You want to show

2022
01:36:55,080 --> 01:36:57,280
Speaker 1: the folks and we will talk about that. It's about

2023
01:36:57,320 --> 01:37:00,320
Speaker 1: eighties football, which Paul will that. I'll just get out

2024
01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:05,519
Speaker 1: of the way. And Paul asked you questions, old school guys,

2025
01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:08,280
Speaker 1: do you do you did you like eighties football? This

2026
01:37:08,439 --> 01:37:13,000
Speaker 1: is like carrot gold to me. Those Okay, this is

2027
01:37:13,080 --> 01:37:17,000
Speaker 1: what the real deal is all about. Before I started

2028
01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:18,920
Speaker 1: writing that. As I was writing that, you and I

2029
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:21,840
Speaker 1: talked to you mentioned eighties football and you said, I'll

2030
01:37:21,880 --> 01:37:25,360
Speaker 1: never forget this conversation. Bob. You know you saw it

2031
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:28,080
Speaker 1: and it was it was great football. It was maybe

2032
01:37:28,120 --> 01:37:30,120
Speaker 1: the best in it. It was a golden era. And

2033
01:37:30,280 --> 01:37:32,840
Speaker 1: I thought back to that and I said, you know,

2034
01:37:33,040 --> 01:37:35,200
Speaker 1: were we just a couple of guys who have seen

2035
01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:38,600
Speaker 1: this kind of reminiscing and being sentimental about it, or

2036
01:37:38,640 --> 01:37:41,560
Speaker 1: were we correct? And it was correct? I mean there was.

2037
01:37:41,640 --> 01:37:44,880
Speaker 1: Those were iconic times and iconic games, and iconic players

2038
01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:47,320
Speaker 1: and coaches. I was able to get a right about

2039
01:37:47,320 --> 01:37:48,840
Speaker 1: three of them. We're here now, why don't you tell

2040
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:50,840
Speaker 1: us about the book, what it's about, and the title

2041
01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:53,400
Speaker 1: and all that good stuff called called Guts and Genius,

2042
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:56,599
Speaker 1: the story of three unlikely coaches who came to dominate

2043
01:37:56,880 --> 01:37:59,639
Speaker 1: the NFL in the eighties. And you know it's it's Gibbs,

2044
01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:03,120
Speaker 1: parse Cells and Walsh. And people will say, well, unlikely,

2045
01:38:03,320 --> 01:38:05,519
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Well, I do think so because

2046
01:38:05,560 --> 01:38:09,080
Speaker 1: it's in you said to the average NFL fan at

2047
01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:11,439
Speaker 1: that time, Hey, I got three guys who were going

2048
01:38:11,479 --> 01:38:14,639
Speaker 1: to dominate the next decade, next twelve years, Bill Walsh,

2049
01:38:14,720 --> 01:38:17,640
Speaker 1: Bill Parcels and Joe Gibbs. Their first reaction would have

2050
01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:21,720
Speaker 1: been whoo, who who? Because no one had heard of

2051
01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:25,640
Speaker 1: these people, and they were very very much unlikely, and

2052
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:29,560
Speaker 1: all began very difficult part. It was very difficult for

2053
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:31,840
Speaker 1: them early in their careers. All of them thought they

2054
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:35,000
Speaker 1: were going to be fired. Bill Parcels was going to

2055
01:38:35,160 --> 01:38:37,800
Speaker 1: be fired after the eight three season. It had been

2056
01:38:37,920 --> 01:38:41,080
Speaker 1: determined by George Young and the two owners, Tim and

2057
01:38:41,120 --> 01:38:44,880
Speaker 1: Wellington Marrow. He's got to go, and George of course

2058
01:38:44,920 --> 01:38:47,160
Speaker 1: tried to get Howard Schnellenberger out of Miami. He couldn't

2059
01:38:47,160 --> 01:38:49,760
Speaker 1: get out of his contract. And Bill was able to

2060
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:52,800
Speaker 1: come back for another year and four and turn it around,

2061
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:55,439
Speaker 1: but he was as good as gone. Nick Bonacannie, there

2062
01:38:55,439 --> 01:38:57,280
Speaker 1: was a story John Merritt told me that Nick Bona

2063
01:38:57,320 --> 01:38:59,680
Speaker 1: Connie was a part of an ownership group would be

2064
01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:03,479
Speaker 1: owned ship group for Tim Marra's share. So Boncani is

2065
01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:06,400
Speaker 1: talking to the to the Maras about buying that chair

2066
01:39:06,439 --> 01:39:09,120
Speaker 1: of the team and said, Hey, if I'm gonna buy

2067
01:39:09,200 --> 01:39:11,920
Speaker 1: this team, you gotta fire Parcels. That guy can't coach.

2068
01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:15,320
Speaker 1: I am not gonna be involved in something that wild.

2069
01:39:15,439 --> 01:39:18,920
Speaker 1: Bill Parcels is going to be the coach that is wild.

2070
01:39:19,120 --> 01:39:21,880
Speaker 1: Things changed, you know. The one thing though, that maybe

2071
01:39:21,960 --> 01:39:24,479
Speaker 1: shouldn't have surprised us, although none of us knew of

2072
01:39:24,560 --> 01:39:26,560
Speaker 1: these guys as head coaches at the time, is that

2073
01:39:26,720 --> 01:39:30,200
Speaker 1: each one of them, going back to their long goog roots,

2074
01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:34,680
Speaker 1: had connections to greatness in the league. Yeah. I mean,

2075
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:38,880
Speaker 1: for example, Parcels with Mickey Corkran and the party. You know. So,

2076
01:39:39,400 --> 01:39:41,519
Speaker 1: so the seeds may have been there, we just didn't

2077
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:43,679
Speaker 1: realize it. At the time because the seeds were buried

2078
01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:47,040
Speaker 1: underneath the grass. Yes, And what I find fascinating about

2079
01:39:47,120 --> 01:39:53,000
Speaker 1: Parcels and Walsh in particular, they are the forerunners of

2080
01:39:53,080 --> 01:39:55,559
Speaker 1: a lot of what you see in today's game. There

2081
01:39:55,560 --> 01:39:59,080
Speaker 1: are connections. And I was blown away by researching this.

2082
01:39:59,320 --> 01:40:02,840
Speaker 1: There are connect with every single coach in two days

2083
01:40:03,080 --> 01:40:06,640
Speaker 1: NFL that go back to Bill Walsh and Bill Parcels.

2084
01:40:07,040 --> 01:40:10,320
Speaker 1: They are on the trees. And the thirty second guy

2085
01:40:10,760 --> 01:40:15,200
Speaker 1: that I had a problem with UM was in Arizona.

2086
01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:21,840
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury never coached for anyone associate but but but

2087
01:40:21,960 --> 01:40:24,519
Speaker 1: I asked him because he played for Bill Belichick in

2088
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:28,040
Speaker 1: New England, right, I said, what was your influence? Was

2089
01:40:28,080 --> 01:40:30,759
Speaker 1: there an influence of Belichick and Brady when you played

2090
01:40:30,760 --> 01:40:34,200
Speaker 1: in New England? He said, absolutely, They're the gold standard.

2091
01:40:34,240 --> 01:40:36,719
Speaker 1: I learned a ton from them. And then I followed

2092
01:40:36,720 --> 01:40:39,599
Speaker 1: it up with you take incorporate some of their ideas

2093
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:43,080
Speaker 1: into what you do. Now. He's just no question they are,

2094
01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:49,920
Speaker 1: you know, in terms of sist strategic football. Um, you

2095
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:54,600
Speaker 1: know the the idea that Belichick always creates scenarios of

2096
01:40:54,800 --> 01:40:57,040
Speaker 1: what you know situational football. He calls it. He just

2097
01:40:57,120 --> 01:40:59,800
Speaker 1: goes on and on and on about that. So Kingsbury's

2098
01:40:59,840 --> 01:41:02,439
Speaker 1: in the group. So it's all thirty two coaches go

2099
01:41:02,640 --> 01:41:05,040
Speaker 1: back in some way, either directly or indirectly, you know,

2100
01:41:05,080 --> 01:41:08,479
Speaker 1: Sean Payton, Tom Coughlin not not coaching now, but the

2101
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:11,080
Speaker 1: Parcels tree, and Belichick is on the Parcels as a

2102
01:41:11,160 --> 01:41:15,439
Speaker 1: direct branch of the Parcels tree. It was great football, Paul,

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01:41:16,160 --> 01:41:21,120
Speaker 1: because old school never dies, Bob, It never died forever. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And it was just the memories were great, and the

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Speaker 1: getting to talk to the players and then gibbs in

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01:41:26,920 --> 01:41:30,839
Speaker 1: and Parcels were terrific. Talking to people about Walsh was great. Whody,

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Speaker 1: what are you laughing at? Because he just loves it

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Speaker 1: so much. He loves it so much. It's it's literally

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Speaker 1: his favorite thing in the world. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: do you have a copy of this poll because I

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Speaker 1: like to give, but I will sign it for you.

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Speaker 1: I'm serious, because I'd love that. Thank you. All right, Bob,

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Speaker 1: you're kind of working the floor today listening to coaches

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Speaker 1: general managers. Gentleman Charmer. We've talked a lot about what

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Speaker 1: they've said, just stuff that you've picked up today. Well,

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Speaker 1: what are some of the big themes and stories about

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Speaker 1: the combine, the draft class, the league, whatever that you've

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Speaker 1: picked up working the floor today. Well, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think it's very early in the process, and I think

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Speaker 1: everyone will tell you that everyone feels good about their teams,

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Speaker 1: even the new coaches. Um. So you know, I don't

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Speaker 1: think there's anything to be gleaned. I was I was

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Speaker 1: fascinated by John Harbaugh. You know, I don't think you're

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Speaker 1: gonna see a change and replay with you know, adding

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Speaker 1: past interference or penalties judgment. I don't think you're gonna

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Speaker 1: see that. John Marra kind of said it yesterday. He

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Speaker 1: was skeptical there could be a change or would be

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Speaker 1: a change. But John Harbaugh is really adamant that there

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Speaker 1: should be judgment calls put in the instant replay system,

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Speaker 1: in the Coach's Challenge specific uh, pretty much all of them.

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Speaker 1: You know. He believes it's like just and he was

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Speaker 1: very eloquent about it and just saying what you want

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Speaker 1: as a fan is to walk out of that stadium

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Speaker 1: or leave that television set thinking that was a great

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Speaker 1: football game, that was well officiated, that was well played,

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Speaker 1: and whoever won the game deserved to win. I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you what when he when he said that, when he

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Speaker 1: was done saying that, I was like, yeah, yes, that's

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Speaker 1: what people want to hear. Let me expand that question

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01:43:06,360 --> 01:43:09,400
Speaker 1: just a bit, because the Alliance the A A APP

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01:43:10,200 --> 01:43:13,800
Speaker 1: is using some rules that to me are very intriguing

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Speaker 1: for the NFL people to look at. Did you get

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01:43:16,520 --> 01:43:19,320
Speaker 1: a sense from talking to some of the NFL powermongers

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Speaker 1: that they are in fact looking at the A A

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Speaker 1: F to maybe steal some of these rules. I don't

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01:43:26,040 --> 01:43:29,320
Speaker 1: know that they would steal somebody, they are absolutely aware

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Speaker 1: of them, and then perhaps putting another person in the

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01:43:32,520 --> 01:43:36,320
Speaker 1: booth the sky the sky judge. That's right. It is

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01:43:36,400 --> 01:43:39,439
Speaker 1: an interesting idea, and you know, you kind of correct

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Speaker 1: the obvious wrongs. Now, the League is kind of slow

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01:43:43,320 --> 01:43:46,400
Speaker 1: to adapt to that. They don't go crazy on really

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01:43:46,520 --> 01:43:48,800
Speaker 1: novel things, and they really have to think it through

2153
01:43:49,880 --> 01:43:53,479
Speaker 1: unintended consequences. That's the phrase that they will go back to,

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01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:56,479
Speaker 1: and Goodell said it at his commissioner's press conference. The

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01:43:56,680 --> 01:44:00,599
Speaker 1: unintended consequences of adding something to a channel own system

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01:44:00,920 --> 01:44:03,400
Speaker 1: that you don't expect, you know, if you if you

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01:44:03,560 --> 01:44:05,880
Speaker 1: if you include penalties and then you can you know,

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01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:08,439
Speaker 1: kind of go down the rabbit hole of well, if

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01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:11,400
Speaker 1: you go past interference, then a coach can say, well

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01:44:11,439 --> 01:44:13,640
Speaker 1: there was holding on this play, look for that. So

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Speaker 1: there are unintended consequences, no question. I don't think you're

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01:44:16,840 --> 01:44:19,200
Speaker 1: gonna see a change that twenty four owners out of

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01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:22,640
Speaker 1: thirty two would agree to UM. But I think the

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01:44:22,680 --> 01:44:25,120
Speaker 1: discussion is not going to go away. And that John

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Speaker 1: Harball kind of touched on something very very near and

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01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:30,760
Speaker 1: dear to fans heart that just you want to get

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01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:33,040
Speaker 1: it right. And that's the bottom line. What Bill Belichick

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Speaker 1: used to regularly propose rules that would put anything under

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01:44:37,320 --> 01:44:40,960
Speaker 1: the umbrella of replay anything, and it's coaches challenge. It's

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Speaker 1: not gonna slow down games. You're gonna have the same

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01:44:43,280 --> 01:44:46,719
Speaker 1: number of challenges. But if you put everything that happens

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01:44:46,720 --> 01:44:49,439
Speaker 1: in a football game under the gis of you know,

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01:44:50,320 --> 01:44:54,600
Speaker 1: of replay. But uh, you're chick. Finally gave up on that.

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Speaker 1: He just doesn't propose it anymore because they don't. They

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01:44:56,600 --> 01:44:58,639
Speaker 1: don't vote on it. They just voted down. That's also

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Speaker 1: how you got a four hour college football games that

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Speaker 1: you have every week on Saturday, too. So it's stuff

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Speaker 1: you have to balance in terms of free agency. Bob,

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Speaker 1: we talked a lot about the draft already. What's your

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01:45:05,840 --> 01:45:07,840
Speaker 1: feel for how the free agent troops gonna go this year?

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01:45:07,840 --> 01:45:09,760
Speaker 1: We're gonna see a lot of franchise tags that will

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01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:12,040
Speaker 1: be really fast movie once free agency hits. How active

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Speaker 1: you think it's gonna be? Your feel from talking to

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Speaker 1: people today and that how you think this year? Well,

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Speaker 1: I think the free agency. The most intriguing position at

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Speaker 1: free agency is pass rushers. The Marcus Lawrence, d Ford,

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01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:25,920
Speaker 1: a lot of good pass rushers. But I think at

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01:45:25,960 --> 01:45:27,560
Speaker 1: the end of the day, we're at the end of

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Speaker 1: the month or whatever, the transition of the franchise. Uh,

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Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna see a ton of really

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Speaker 1: top caliber pass rushers on the market. I think d

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Speaker 1: Ford will be franchised. I think the Marcus Lawrence will

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Speaker 1: be either signed or frances about Trey Flowers because I

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Speaker 1: think that might make it. He is the one guy

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01:45:44,680 --> 01:45:46,760
Speaker 1: who really intrigues me. I don't think he will not

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Speaker 1: be franchise. Bill Belichick will not franchise Tray Flowers. I

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Speaker 1: can't imagine him devoting that those kind of resources for

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Speaker 1: one year for one guy, no matter how good Tray

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Speaker 1: Flowers is, But I love Trey Flowers. Trey Flowers is

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Speaker 1: probably the ultimate Bill Belichick invention. And seriously, because like

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Speaker 1: I thought it was Teddy Bruce, Teddy Bruski was his

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Speaker 1: one A. But I think Flowers is even even well

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01:46:11,439 --> 01:46:13,880
Speaker 1: maybe as good, if not better, because he can do

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01:46:15,080 --> 01:46:17,479
Speaker 1: see f Abel. They're all they're all like that. And

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Speaker 1: if the if Trey Flowers spent his career in Cincinnati,

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01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:23,840
Speaker 1: I don't think he'd be talking about him in these

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01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:26,640
Speaker 1: kind of terms. But Belichick is a man scientist, and

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01:46:26,680 --> 01:46:29,599
Speaker 1: he's able to do with these players what no coach

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Speaker 1: can really do and bring out the skill set that

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01:46:32,479 --> 01:46:34,960
Speaker 1: is so special to to Belichick and the way he

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01:46:35,040 --> 01:46:39,360
Speaker 1: gained plans specifically for games, for for for opponents, and

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01:46:39,560 --> 01:46:43,679
Speaker 1: and Flowers is the ultimate um guy who can pull

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Speaker 1: off what Belichick wants from his players. So he's very

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Speaker 1: intriguing prospect and I think he will be available. I

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01:46:49,280 --> 01:46:51,120
Speaker 1: think the Jets will take a very good look at

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01:46:51,200 --> 01:46:53,480
Speaker 1: him as well the Giants. Now, he's gonna be expensive,

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01:46:53,760 --> 01:46:57,000
Speaker 1: I think, just because of demand, right and if especially

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Speaker 1: if those guys that we talked about, like the DeMarcus

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01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:03,040
Speaker 1: Oawrences and d Force do get franchised, there won't be

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Speaker 1: as many available and flowers is that one exception? Who again,

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine that that Bill Belichick is gonna franchise

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01:47:09,960 --> 01:47:11,840
Speaker 1: him and that he wouldn't be available. That's not his

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01:47:12,040 --> 01:47:16,280
Speaker 1: m it's not it's not heat and he traded Richard Seymour. Everybody.

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01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:20,280
Speaker 1: It's like, if you make it to a third contract

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01:47:20,360 --> 01:47:23,599
Speaker 1: in New England, you're you're doing something right now. You're

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01:47:23,640 --> 01:47:29,680
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. You're Tom Brady or Matthew Slater and mcquardy

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Speaker 1: is good. You know he's gonna get up club Bob,

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01:47:33,080 --> 01:47:35,120
Speaker 1: great stuff. Man, We really appreciate having getting the book

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Speaker 1: Guts and Genius, the Story of three unliverly fun Come

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01:47:38,240 --> 01:47:42,479
Speaker 1: this guy. It's okay, It's okay. Well now now Paul's

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01:47:42,479 --> 01:47:46,080
Speaker 1: gonna muggy. I will sign this book for you, believe well,

2232
01:47:46,280 --> 01:47:47,639
Speaker 1: but you need to show it to your other people

2233
01:47:47,680 --> 01:47:49,519
Speaker 1: in the car wash, don't you? So? Why don't you

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01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:51,720
Speaker 1: get me one during manicamps? No? This is it? Can

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Speaker 1: I have this one? Yeah? Okay, that's Bob Blobber from Newsday.

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01:47:55,479 --> 01:47:57,760
Speaker 1: We'll be joined the Madeleine Barkin wrap everything up from

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Speaker 1: day one at the combine, right, after this, we're back

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01:48:00,600 --> 01:48:02,040
Speaker 1: here on a big blue kick golf Life from the

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Speaker 1: NFL Combine in Indianapolis. John Schmolk, Pauledatino. It's all presented

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Speaker 1: by cores Light. Download the cores Light Awards, a put

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Speaker 1: Amazing Giants Prizes and will be joined every day at

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Speaker 1: the end of the program by Madeline bark All week

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01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:15,000
Speaker 1: long has been roving the floor here in Indianapolis at

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01:48:15,040 --> 01:48:18,200
Speaker 1: the Combine. Madeline, how's everything going. It's going great. It's

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01:48:18,240 --> 01:48:20,040
Speaker 1: going great. We've got a lot going on here out

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01:48:20,080 --> 01:48:23,080
Speaker 1: here for Giants dot Com and all the social media outlets.

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01:48:23,120 --> 01:48:25,799
Speaker 1: We're gonna be doing Snapchat. We should do one right now. Actually,

2248
01:48:25,880 --> 01:48:29,000
Speaker 1: let's say hello, Say hello to the Snapchat fans on

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01:48:29,160 --> 01:48:34,639
Speaker 1: Jay Paulatino, John Schmilk, and the viewers. This is actually

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Speaker 1: going on the Giant Snapchat right now. So follow along.

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01:48:37,439 --> 01:48:40,400
Speaker 1: We'll have some Snapchat updates, We'll have social media updates

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01:48:40,400 --> 01:48:43,080
Speaker 1: throughout the weekend. We're gonna have insiders with a lot

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01:48:43,120 --> 01:48:46,280
Speaker 1: of media covering the Combine, the draft process, and what

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01:48:46,360 --> 01:48:49,280
Speaker 1: the Giants may be doing. As we know now, it's

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Speaker 1: very far from the decision making time. As Gentleman reminded us,

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01:48:53,280 --> 01:48:55,280
Speaker 1: games don't start till September. We got a lot of

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01:48:55,360 --> 01:48:57,360
Speaker 1: time to build this team. Well, I'm just happy. I'm

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01:48:57,360 --> 01:48:59,120
Speaker 1: just happy you got the Tino on Snapchat because at

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01:48:59,200 --> 01:49:03,320
Speaker 1: his by far his favorite social I love putting on

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01:49:03,439 --> 01:49:05,439
Speaker 1: social media because he does not have it, and so

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01:49:05,560 --> 01:49:07,360
Speaker 1: I just like hashtag of him, like we gotta get

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01:49:07,439 --> 01:49:10,120
Speaker 1: him in this process. Guy, you could totally abuse me

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01:49:10,160 --> 01:49:15,240
Speaker 1: in the most embarrassing situations. Never exactly, We're all fans

2264
01:49:15,280 --> 01:49:17,360
Speaker 1: out here, what what what is what is the buzz?

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01:49:17,400 --> 01:49:20,479
Speaker 1: You've been here now for a couple of days, right, kay?

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01:49:20,760 --> 01:49:23,760
Speaker 1: So so so what what is the buzz and the

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01:49:23,920 --> 01:49:26,240
Speaker 1: flavor of the combine compared to last year? Because I

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01:49:26,280 --> 01:49:28,000
Speaker 1: know you were here for us last year as well. Yes,

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01:49:28,720 --> 01:49:31,680
Speaker 1: is there more people talking about the defensive players, more

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01:49:31,720 --> 01:49:35,000
Speaker 1: people interested in the quarterbacks? Was Kyler Murray taking all

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01:49:35,040 --> 01:49:38,200
Speaker 1: the headlines? I would say the flavor other than steak, which,

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01:49:38,280 --> 01:49:41,360
Speaker 1: of course John and Charles both had like nearly forty

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01:49:41,439 --> 01:49:44,360
Speaker 1: ounces of meat each last night, so that was substantial.

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01:49:44,439 --> 01:49:47,400
Speaker 1: It was delicious um, But other than steak, the flavor. Yeah,

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01:49:47,400 --> 01:49:49,519
Speaker 1: a lot of people talking about Kyler Murray obviously once

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01:49:49,560 --> 01:49:51,640
Speaker 1: he decided, hey, I'm not going to play baseball. I'm

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01:49:51,640 --> 01:49:55,960
Speaker 1: gonna stick to football. That became the big story. The quarterbacks, obviously,

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01:49:57,000 --> 01:49:59,479
Speaker 1: are a story that seems like a very deep draft

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01:49:59,560 --> 01:50:01,280
Speaker 1: on the deep ventitive side of the ball, so that

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01:50:01,439 --> 01:50:03,320
Speaker 1: might not be, you know, as much of a priority.

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01:50:03,360 --> 01:50:06,080
Speaker 1: But again, the difference for the Giants perspective between this

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01:50:06,200 --> 01:50:09,000
Speaker 1: year and last year. Last year, it seemed like Gentleman

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01:50:09,120 --> 01:50:11,640
Speaker 1: was pretty honed in on what he wanted to do

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01:50:12,120 --> 01:50:13,560
Speaker 1: even at this point in the year, and it was

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01:50:13,600 --> 01:50:16,560
Speaker 1: almost like he was just going into validate what he

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01:50:16,680 --> 01:50:18,920
Speaker 1: already thought and what his gut already knew. At this

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01:50:19,080 --> 01:50:21,600
Speaker 1: point right now, as far as what the Giants are

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01:50:21,640 --> 01:50:23,439
Speaker 1: gonna do, it seems like there are a lot of options.

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01:50:23,479 --> 01:50:25,000
Speaker 1: There are a lot of ways that this thing could go,

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01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:27,160
Speaker 1: and it could play into you know, what happens in

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01:50:27,240 --> 01:50:29,759
Speaker 1: free agency, what happens uh you know in the coming

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01:50:29,840 --> 01:50:31,760
Speaker 1: days and with you know, the franchise tag and the

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01:50:31,800 --> 01:50:34,160
Speaker 1: options that this team has. So it's a little bit

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01:50:34,280 --> 01:50:36,040
Speaker 1: less clear, but it makes it a lot more fun

2295
01:50:36,160 --> 01:50:38,479
Speaker 1: because there's so much to watch out here and so

2296
01:50:38,560 --> 01:50:41,639
Speaker 1: many conversations to have. So many things could happen when

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01:50:41,640 --> 01:50:42,840
Speaker 1: you have a chance to talk to you some of

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01:50:42,880 --> 01:50:44,679
Speaker 1: the reporters and you know, some of the people within

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Speaker 1: the Giants front office this week and you'll see a

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Speaker 1: lot of those things again on the giant social media

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Speaker 1: counts giants dot com. What are some of the things

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Speaker 1: you try to get out of them, some of the

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01:50:50,920 --> 01:50:52,320
Speaker 1: things you try to ask him to try to delve

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01:50:52,360 --> 01:50:54,839
Speaker 1: into a little bit. Well, we'll be talking with Aaron Wellman,

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01:50:54,880 --> 01:50:57,720
Speaker 1: the Giants strength and strength coach, and you know, the

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01:50:57,760 --> 01:51:01,439
Speaker 1: bench press obviously is a big element of the runs.

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Speaker 1: Right there, you guys can't see it because it's behind

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Speaker 1: the camera, but it's right over there, and you know,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna kind of talk to him about, you know,

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Speaker 1: the difference. I mean, people talk about the measurables like

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Speaker 1: a guy's arm length and all that kind of stuff

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Speaker 1: which comes into play when you're defending or trying to,

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Speaker 1: you know, swat a ball out, But what about when

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Speaker 1: you're bench pressing? You know, is it harder to bench

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Speaker 1: press when you've got long arms versus we got short arms.

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Speaker 1: These are things that we're kind of curious about what

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Speaker 1: goes into this kind of stuff. We'll also be talking

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Speaker 1: to some of the scouts, Chris Pettit, some of the

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Speaker 1: scouts throughout the weekend to kind of see where they

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Speaker 1: are and how they evaluate these guys as we have

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Speaker 1: these conversations each year, but you know, every year things

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01:51:36,600 --> 01:51:38,120
Speaker 1: are different. You know, if you pop in a tape

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Speaker 1: and the first tape you see if a guy is

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Speaker 1: a great game, is that setting the bar high and

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Speaker 1: is it his you know, praise to lose or how

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Speaker 1: do you kind of keep the human element out of

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Speaker 1: it and look at these guys and there's a lot

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Speaker 1: going on out here. Um, we have a lot of conversations,

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Speaker 1: We have a lot of you know, players to watch

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Speaker 1: and get to know, and that's the exciting part. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but if you find out who they're gonna pick it six,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't go on Snapchat. You come and tell John

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Speaker 1: and me first. Yeah, no Instagram and yeah, well we'll

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Speaker 1: put it on social media. That's why you have to

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Speaker 1: get a snapschat. Paul, you gotta keep up man on.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate it. Good luck this week and we'll have

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Speaker 1: again tomorrow in this tomorrow right, thank you, thank you,

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Speaker 1: looking forward to it. For Madeline Burke, For Paul Detino.

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Speaker 1: I am John Schmilk. You've been watching Big Blue kick

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Speaker 1: Off live on giants dot com. Will you back tomorrow

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01:52:20,120 --> 01:52:22,080
Speaker 1: with another two hour live show on Friday as well,

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Speaker 1: from twelve to two. Make sure you check it out.

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Speaker 1: Plenty of big time guests. Just a couple of guys

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Speaker 1: I'll mention. Dame Brugo will join us, Joe Corey, former

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Speaker 1: NFL agent. Um, we're gonna have Tom Rock with us,

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Speaker 1: Tony Pauline, Jenny Venturous will be with us as well,

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01:52:35,680 --> 01:52:37,800
Speaker 1: and maybe some other surprises too, So make sure you

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Speaker 1: tune in again. We'll be live Thursday and Friday, twelve

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Speaker 1: to two from the Combine and Indianapolis breaking down everything

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Speaker 1: with the NFL Draft. We'll see that everybody have an

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Speaker 1: excellent day