Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast, and this is Fast Politics,
Speaker 1: where we discuss the top political headlines with some of
Speaker 1: today's best minds and Republicans have moved on from blaming
Speaker 1: doors for school shootings to wanting to arm teachers. We
Speaker 1: have a show that will blow your mind. Former White
Speaker 1: House Press Secretary Jen Psaki, host of MSNBC's Inside with Jensaki,
Speaker 1: stops by to talk about her pivot from member of
Speaker 1: the White House to member of the media. Then the circuses,
Speaker 1: John Heilman will join us to talk Trump's Waco, Texas
Speaker 1: rallies symbolism. But first we have the host of the
Speaker 1: Enemy's List, the one, the Only, the Lincoln Projects, Rick Wilson,
Speaker 1: Rick Wilson, Molly John Fast. I am here with you. Hey,
Speaker 1: you're back. I am everywhere I surround the world. You're
Speaker 1: back from wherever it was he were led undisclosed West
Speaker 1: Coast locations, various disclosed locations. To talk about the thirty
Speaker 1: six counts. There's thirty four counts of indictment that he
Speaker 1: or incitement as Trump likes to call it, all caps
Speaker 1: that Alvin Bragg has dropped today discuss President Capslock was
Speaker 1: having a terrible evening. But I must say I think
Speaker 1: he's probably there's a part of Trump that is absolutely
Speaker 1: in fucking heaven right now. He knows there will be
Speaker 1: no other story on cable news for the next several days,
Speaker 1: possibly including CNN, which may notice somehow that they have
Speaker 1: to report on this and not cover things like the
Speaker 1: crisis of Bolivian flute manufacturing. He knows he's going to
Speaker 1: be in the spotlight. He knows that the charges will
Speaker 1: never be heard before the election of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: He knows that even if he gets one asshole on
Speaker 1: the jury, he walks away and you know what, Manhattan
Speaker 1: maybe eighty five percent Democrat, but he'll find an asshole
Speaker 1: on that journey. So I have been saying, look, I'm
Speaker 1: glad it happened. I'm glad that there was a sign
Speaker 1: that the rule of law in this country, even at
Speaker 1: the state level, was going to be upheld, and not say, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what, Trump gets a pass. You know, look,
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think anything we've seen tonight
Speaker 1: changes the position Trump has in the political culture. He
Speaker 1: is still the center of every bit of the MAGA universe.
Speaker 1: You saw every single Republican so far that I've seen,
Speaker 1: and I don't grant you. I haven't seen anything from
Speaker 1: Christy or Romney yet tonight, so I'll leave those on
Speaker 1: the table for now. But every single elected Republican or
Speaker 1: Republican president will want to be is route there, stumbling
Speaker 1: over themselves, racing to be the one who says no, no,
Speaker 1: not only do well, I defend Trump. I'll serve your time,
Speaker 1: mister President. They're all sucking up at a level you
Speaker 1: know that is now should now be the expected mode
Speaker 1: for these people. It's the law, doesn't matter. Trump is
Speaker 1: innocent no matter what. It's only the deep state. It's
Speaker 1: just the evil Jewish black conspiracy of Soros and his
Speaker 1: quote unquote animal day so I was on my way
Speaker 1: home from a dinner or night, was listening to a
Speaker 1: Twitter space that like broke in the middle, and in
Speaker 1: it some one Trumper was explaining to someone else, a
Speaker 1: non Trumper, how this was all about Soros. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And look, let's not put too fine a point on it.
Speaker 1: The quiet part is way out loud these days, as
Speaker 1: we both know, the anti Semitic trope of the Jewish
Speaker 1: mastermind controlling everything from behind the scenes. It probably sounded
Speaker 1: better in the original German. But it's here we are now,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna blame Soros for this. Every single one
Speaker 1: of these Republicans de Santis and Young Ken and a
Speaker 1: bunch of others I've seen so far, they always mentioned
Speaker 1: the Soros controlled prosecutor. He's an animal, yes, calling calling
Speaker 1: George Sorrows a crafty, devious manipulator behind the scenes, and
Speaker 1: calling Alvin Bragg a savage animal. Those aren't that that dog?
Speaker 1: I can barely hear that dog whistle, it's true. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just don't think that's the most convincing case against Alvin.
Speaker 1: There's there's a lot of arguments that there's a lot
Speaker 1: of arguments that this is overcharging and and those are
Speaker 1: also the tax cases was a better case than And
Speaker 1: did Syvance fuck this all up by not moving the
Speaker 1: bigger cases sooner? And is there some sense of like
Speaker 1: trying to relieve pressure in the system. I don't know,
Speaker 1: But but look, we've never had an American president, not one,
Speaker 1: not ever, not even Richard fucking Nixon. Get perp walked
Speaker 1: into a building, stood in front of a camera, fingerprinted
Speaker 1: right read in indicted. Maybe he's in handcuffs, Maybe the
Speaker 1: Secret Service doesn't allow it. Who knows, I don't. I
Speaker 1: certainly don't. No, but Donald Trump is about to enter
Speaker 1: a whole new realm of notoriety that he never expected
Speaker 1: to be in. And that new role of notoriety is
Speaker 1: going to be the first president with a mug shot.
Speaker 1: And if you don't think I'm selling the living fuck
Speaker 1: out of Trump indictment mugs, I mean that ship looking
Speaker 1: project store. Folks, you get you trust me on this one.
Speaker 1: You're gonna you're gonna see that. You're gonna see that
Speaker 1: merch we got. We're gonna have a hardcore merch action.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's funny because today was the day that
Speaker 1: Gwyneth got off right, thank God. I mean all I
Speaker 1: could think of today was justice for Gwyneth, Justice for Gwyneth.
Speaker 1: What's in the box now, asshole? I stole an Andy tweet,
Speaker 1: but it's a brilliant one, because remember, Gwyneth Paltrow was
Speaker 1: in seven. But I do want to I just want
Speaker 1: to roll it back here for a minute to not
Speaker 1: distract us from Gwyneth Paltrow and just say the few
Speaker 1: people in the Republican Party who still believed that DeSantis
Speaker 1: would save them are so pissed tonight. Let me tell
Speaker 1: you I actually heard from one of his I heard
Speaker 1: from the donor advisor to one of his gigantic superstar
Speaker 1: Wall Street Prizes, one of the guys he's been walking
Speaker 1: around swinging his dick around in politics like I've got exit.
Speaker 1: I took him from Donald because I'm a Harvard's man.
Speaker 1: I'm a jail man, right. The donor advisor, this person
Speaker 1: called me tonight and he's like, I don't think I
Speaker 1: can change my boss's mind yet. But god damn, that
Speaker 1: was fucking embarrassing because putting that tweet out basically said
Speaker 1: that Rhnda Santis is a gigantic and I will use
Speaker 1: the technical term the alt right is so familiar with Kuck.
Speaker 1: He basically said, Oh yes, Donald, I'm willing as a
Speaker 1: governor to say that I will obstruct justice and obstruct
Speaker 1: the law to protect you politically so that I can
Speaker 1: then run against you in a Republican primary. It's the
Speaker 1: most nonsensical, amateur, our, jokey, fucking bullshit I've ever heard
Speaker 1: in my life. I've always said this, I've said this
Speaker 1: a year ago, started saying this. Ron De Santis is
Speaker 1: an overpriced political stock. He is not good with people
Speaker 1: and folks. I'm making a lot of air quotes right now,
Speaker 1: Like my hands are going to be sore from all
Speaker 1: the air quotes I'm making. He's not comfortable, yes, with humans,
Speaker 1: Oh yes, I am not paying attention to the camera,
Speaker 1: young lady. He's not comfortable with humans. He doesn't like
Speaker 1: people contact. There's something off putting about him, as if
Speaker 1: he's the last thing you see when you're being shoved
Speaker 1: into a trunk from a car to go to his layer. No. Look,
Speaker 1: you knew this guy would suck it up eventually, because tonight.
Speaker 1: So for the last let's say two weeks, there's been
Speaker 1: this little sprit scene between de Santas and Trump. And
Speaker 1: DeSantis he tried in the most lame, fucking passive, aggressive,
Speaker 1: like pussy footing way, I don't know anythink about paying
Speaker 1: a stare. And so Trump is immediately like, oh, comes
Speaker 1: out like run to Santa said sex with men and
Speaker 1: women and he's a groomer. Yeah, guarns he did, because
Speaker 1: that's how Trump works. Once you hit Trump. First off,
Speaker 1: you can't like slap fight Trump. You can't like pop
Speaker 1: him and then run away. You can't do what Marco
Speaker 1: and Jeb and the rest of the idiots in twenty
Speaker 1: sixteen thought, well, my focus group has come up with
Speaker 1: a heck of a one liner, and I'm gonna whom
Speaker 1: it out and get him on the stage and the
Speaker 1: New York Times will salute my wit. Yeah. No, once
Speaker 1: you start fighting with Trump, you've got to kick that
Speaker 1: motherfucker in the balls. You gotta knock him down, you
Speaker 1: gotta break teeth out. You gotta keep hitting him and
Speaker 1: hitting him and hitting him. Right. I mean, you fought
Speaker 1: with Trump for years and years and years, right, and
Speaker 1: I'm like one of the only people. And I've got
Speaker 1: a lot of scar tissue, but I'm like one of
Speaker 1: the only people that no matter what he kept saying
Speaker 1: about me, I kept getting back in his fucking head
Speaker 1: and beating him more. Yeah. But for these politicians, they're
Speaker 1: so afraid of this balancing act. And right now DeSantis
Speaker 1: has trying to play this very clever it's clever in
Speaker 1: his head, which they have this very clever construct that
Speaker 1: he thinks is going to work, which is to go
Speaker 1: into billionaire donors, you know, like Ken Griffith and Mary
Speaker 1: Madelson and all those and the people say, I'm a
Speaker 1: normal person. Now I have to give those rooms a
Speaker 1: little bit of boom bait. I have to throw them
Speaker 1: some red meat. But I'll be a regular Republican president.
Speaker 1: Would you like your tax cut in a large or
Speaker 1: extra large? And would you like that in a loafer
Speaker 1: or a pump. But he's been trying to play that game.
Speaker 1: But the reality of the Republican primarily has always been
Speaker 1: that why do you want diet Trump? Because as you
Speaker 1: may have noticed, people at MAGA rallies are not exactly
Speaker 1: here for the diet version of anything. They're here for
Speaker 1: the full fat, high salt, high caffeine monster energy drink
Speaker 1: of Donald Trump. And Trump is um And so this
Speaker 1: idea of DeSantis plying trying to play up the middle,
Speaker 1: it was always doomed to fail. And tonight when he
Speaker 1: puts that tweet out out and basically says, I'll throw
Speaker 1: my body in front of them. I will not let
Speaker 1: the law enforcement come to my state to offend, to
Speaker 1: offend your sacred flesh, Donald, it was pathetic. It was feudal.
Speaker 1: Because Trump's going to turn himself in because he wants
Speaker 1: to wants to do the purple Yeah, He's gonna go
Speaker 1: out there and put the fist in the air, and
Speaker 1: he's gonna do the whole the whole thing. And the
Speaker 1: fact the matter is this is a net positive for Trump.
Speaker 1: None of these other candidates are out there right now saying, see,
Speaker 1: this is the proof that Donald Trump should never ever,
Speaker 1: ever be within a billion j jillion miles of any
Speaker 1: political office ever again. He is a criminal and a scumbag. Instead,
Speaker 1: Lindsey Graham is on Fox tonight literally weeping like I mean.
Speaker 1: And Don Junior of course, and as I as I
Speaker 1: queeted today, Don Junior's comparing Alvin Bragg to Mao and
Speaker 1: pol Pot And as I said, you know, his his
Speaker 1: his his his context of history is full of holes.
Speaker 1: Is his septum. This is a guy. These people are
Speaker 1: losing their fucking minds over this stuff. And Trump himself, though,
Speaker 1: is in a more secure position than he has been
Speaker 1: politically in a very long time. Right now, this was
Speaker 1: a good Apparently I will also receive the text while
Speaker 1: we were doing doing this. Apparently Q and On is
Speaker 1: back tonight saying that this is all part of the plan.
Speaker 1: Trust l ros is panicking when it is Trump going
Speaker 1: to go inside prison so he could discover the pedophile rings.
Speaker 1: I mean, just unbelievable. I mean, yeah, good for him.
Speaker 1: You don't see that enough, You really don't, really, you
Speaker 1: really don't. And there's a sense of there's a sense
Speaker 1: in my mind of of why bother with the Republican
Speaker 1: primary when all your opponents basically are are asking you, like,
Speaker 1: you know, can I can I give you another foot massage? Sir? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think ultimately that is what it is, right,
Speaker 1: the fear of Trump, the fear of the mob, the
Speaker 1: fear of the base. And look, Fox News for every
Speaker 1: bit of Rupert's bullshit, I'm gonna brank him. Trump will
Speaker 1: be a non person when I've done with him, He'll
Speaker 1: be like a small, desiccated chunk of lizard shit in
Speaker 1: the a back. Sorry, I'm just doing my worst Australian accent,
Speaker 1: supposed to my best Australian accent, which is the same one.
Speaker 1: But look, they're they're back twenty four seven on Trump.
Speaker 1: Now they found a villain. It's Alvin Bragg. He happens
Speaker 1: to be a black guy who they're going to say
Speaker 1: a hundred billion times in the next week or two.
Speaker 1: The black guy controlled by the Jewish mastermind because their
Speaker 1: audience is so sophisticated about these things, they need to
Speaker 1: have it laid out to them in simpler terms. And again,
Speaker 1: it was always more clear and disturber in the nineteen thirties.
Speaker 1: But you know, Sean Handy's German is awful. Rick Wilson,
Speaker 1: We're so punchy and tired, but I came off the
Speaker 1: Red Eye. I've had about one hour asleep in the
Speaker 1: last thirty six and damn I'm punching. Jen Saki is
Speaker 1: the host of MSNBC's Inside with Jensaki on Sundays at
Speaker 1: twelve pm Eastern, and the former White House Press Secretary
Speaker 1: for President Joe Biden. Welcome to Fast Politics. Jen, It's
Speaker 1: great to be here on Fast Politics. Should be Molly,
Speaker 1: thanks for having me. Delighted to have you. I want
Speaker 1: to talk to you about what's going on, but I
Speaker 1: also want to talk to you about how completely in
Speaker 1: saying everything is. First, well, let's just talk about your show.
Speaker 1: You have a new show. It is huge, huge success. Yes,
Speaker 1: thank you. They're going to let us do a third
Speaker 1: show and a fourth show, I hope. So that's exciting.
Speaker 1: You're coming from the administration to the media. I mean
Speaker 1: that's actually a pretty big deal. Yeah, I mean, there's
Speaker 1: definitely been some adjustments. One I had worked, which is
Speaker 1: a funny thing to say as this is coming out
Speaker 1: of my mouth, but I had worked in the White
Speaker 1: House longer than anywhere else in my life. I knew
Speaker 1: the security guards, I knew what to order at the
Speaker 1: lunch counter. I knew where all the secret bathrooms were. Right.
Speaker 1: So part of my adjustment was coming into a new
Speaker 1: place and the big company like NBC and MSNBC, which
Speaker 1: is a huge opportunity because there's so many things going
Speaker 1: on on any given day. But that was part of
Speaker 1: my adjustment. Smaller parts of it has been just learning
Speaker 1: the mechanics of television news. I could probably talk about Russia, Ukraine,
Speaker 1: democratic politics, the debt limit until somebody stops me from talking.
Speaker 1: But I'm still learning about things like hues and commercials
Speaker 1: and timing, and so I've been working with great people
Speaker 1: who've been doing this a long time to teach me
Speaker 1: all the ins and outs we're finding ourselves in this
Speaker 1: weird period of Biden has really overperformed in all of
Speaker 1: these elections, maybe because he's a genius, maybe because the
Speaker 1: circumstances have been incredibly good for him in turn ways,
Speaker 1: it's sort of an unprecedented time and democratic politics. It's
Speaker 1: an unprecedented time in politics, or I think we can say,
Speaker 1: and that impacts democratic politics. The thing about President Biden
Speaker 1: is that he's pretty used to being underestimated. I saw
Speaker 1: this when I was working for him for a year
Speaker 1: and a half as the White House Press secretary, but
Speaker 1: even when he was the Vice president. And sometimes people
Speaker 1: forget that the guy's been around the political world for
Speaker 1: fifty plus years and well, he may not always be
Speaker 1: trending on Twitter in the right way, he has kind
Speaker 1: of a connection with what people need, what they care about,
Speaker 1: how to speak to people in their communities who may
Speaker 1: not be paying attention to every single ebb and flow
Speaker 1: of whatever debate or craziness Kevin McCarthy's up to, if
Speaker 1: that makes sense, right people in their communities. But I
Speaker 1: also think it's a really exciting time in democratic politics
Speaker 1: because there are so many new and interesting voices out there.
Speaker 1: And I mean, is one of the things we want
Speaker 1: to do on the show is I lift some of
Speaker 1: those people up and introduced them to the country. But
Speaker 1: as much as it seems pretty clear at this point,
Speaker 1: it would be more shocking if he didn't run than
Speaker 1: if he did at this point, Joe Biden, and it
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like at this point that there's a long
Speaker 1: way to go, of course, that he's going to have
Speaker 1: a big primary challenge. So as much as that seems
Speaker 1: to be where the presidential race is headed, there's also
Speaker 1: all sorts of like interesting, different compelling voices in democratic
Speaker 1: politics speaking out against everything from Trump's crazy antics to
Speaker 1: the need for gun reforms to all sorts of things.
Speaker 1: And that's an exciting time, I think exciting part of
Speaker 1: what's happening. Right He's definitely going to run again, he
Speaker 1: hasn't announced yet. There's definitely an anxiety there, you mean
Speaker 1: among the public. Yeah, yeah, Look, if you're in the
Speaker 1: White House right now, you are certainly aware of the
Speaker 1: fact that Joe Biden is eighty years old, right, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, Trump is seventy six. So you know
Speaker 1: there's that I think that if Trump runs against Biden,
Speaker 1: it's not going to be an issue. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: no world in which anyone is like that. You know,
Speaker 1: that is not the issue. The but and I don't
Speaker 1: think there's a world where you could look at Biden
Speaker 1: and say he won three elections. He has his story.
Speaker 1: I mean, this Mittrum was a crazy election, right, they
Speaker 1: barely lost the House. You can't say to that president,
Speaker 1: oh no, you don't run again because you're too old.
Speaker 1: I mean, that would be like political malpractice. But in
Speaker 1: the same sense you have to have that anxiety. I mean,
Speaker 1: just actual ely, what is true is that one of
Speaker 1: the most effective attacks that has come from the right
Speaker 1: and the barrels of the internets and wherever it comes from,
Speaker 1: is this notion or question of whether President Biden is
Speaker 1: up to the job because he is the oldest president
Speaker 1: in history, right, I mean, as I got to state
Speaker 1: what it is. Right. At the same time, what's also
Speaker 1: true is that, you know, during the transition, which I
Speaker 1: worked on and I didn't work on the campaign, as
Speaker 1: you know, but I worked on the transition, there was
Speaker 1: a lot of skepticism from progressives in the party and
Speaker 1: from others who cared about a range of issues, from
Speaker 1: addressing the climate crisis to doing more on guns, to
Speaker 1: whatever the issue may have been, that he would actually
Speaker 1: push for big change, and he did, right. So what's
Speaker 1: working I think for him and them is that fact
Speaker 1: he actually has a record to run on. Now, as
Speaker 1: you and I both know, the totality of winning a
Speaker 1: presidential election is not just about your record. Part of
Speaker 1: it is about that and should be about that. It's
Speaker 1: about what contrast you are with the other side. And
Speaker 1: for him, you know, he always uses the saying, which
Speaker 1: he's not the first to use, don't compare me to
Speaker 1: the almighty, compare me to the alternative, right, which is
Speaker 1: basically what a politics is. Right. You know, politics is
Speaker 1: not about this is the perfect person with the perfect candidacy,
Speaker 1: who has the perfect resume and perfect background. One, those
Speaker 1: people are boring and they never make their way through
Speaker 1: the political world. But two, it's about are you a
Speaker 1: better alternative? And you know it's interesting because I think
Speaker 1: back in the fall, if you would have asked me
Speaker 1: if we're having this conversation then, and we'd have asked me, well,
Speaker 1: when do you think he would announce? I would have
Speaker 1: said at the time, like, oh gosh, early in the year, right,
Speaker 1: But now it seems actually pretty clear if you're sitting
Speaker 1: in the White House right now, why you haven't yet
Speaker 1: because the other side is like self combusting against each
Speaker 1: other right there. You know you have Ron de Santists
Speaker 1: and Donald Trump, who at this moment are the two
Speaker 1: leading candidates for the Republican nomination, right, who are throwing
Speaker 1: so much different spaghetti up against the wall at each
Speaker 1: other just to try to take the other person out. Well,
Speaker 1: that's happening. All you really need to do if you're
Speaker 1: Joe Biden is like be president and be kind of
Speaker 1: like staying and stable and me with foreign leaders and
Speaker 1: try to push policy through and be frankly presidential and
Speaker 1: above politics in some ways. And so that's and also
Speaker 1: kind of inform the public in different communities about what
Speaker 1: you've actually done. That's sort of this stage. Obviously, if
Speaker 1: and when he gets into the race, the gloves come
Speaker 1: off from his end to I mean, I have this
Speaker 1: theory that he's actually a better president than he might
Speaker 1: have been in his younger days, and that part of
Speaker 1: I mean, again, this is just like a theory, and
Speaker 1: it's a crazy theory. It's one of these theories that
Speaker 1: I think about. But you know that he's actually much
Speaker 1: better than he would have been twenty years ago because
Speaker 1: he sort of has a kind of humility towards him,
Speaker 1: and he also tends to be kind of a consensus
Speaker 1: builder in a way that you might not see a younger.
Speaker 1: You know, he's sort of like you would be hard
Speaker 1: pressed to find. And again the Democratic Party, right, it's
Speaker 1: an organized party. It's a huge group of people. We're
Speaker 1: not all against democracy or something, but you'd be hard
Speaker 1: pressed to find a group that's really not Hant. He
Speaker 1: hasn't sort of done something for that they had, that
Speaker 1: was sort of on their list that they wanted. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's such an interesting point in Molly that like he's
Speaker 1: a better president now. I mean part of that is
Speaker 1: also that it's like what president do you need in
Speaker 1: the moment? Right? There are other moments where he's run
Speaker 1: where he would have done a great job but maybe
Speaker 1: wasn't exactly what the country maybe needed in the moment.
Speaker 1: And there are aspects of his background. If you look
Speaker 1: at Ukraine and sort of his background in foreign policy,
Speaker 1: and it's the chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee. It's
Speaker 1: not that every president would have spent hours and hours
Speaker 1: of time on the phone with European leaders in advance
Speaker 1: of even an invasion happening, right, But he did that
Speaker 1: because he'd been working in the foreign policy world for decades.
Speaker 1: Even things like I remember meeting with him about the
Speaker 1: Press secretary job. And it's funny because before I met
Speaker 1: with him, I was thinking, like I needed to just
Speaker 1: study up and know everything about every issue in the world.
Speaker 1: I don't know, That's why what I thought as if
Speaker 1: he was going to like grill me on the South
Speaker 1: China see in our conversation, I just didn't know. But
Speaker 1: what we talked about a lot was needing to kind
Speaker 1: of heal the nerves of the public. Right. And to
Speaker 1: your point, I mean, part of what his superpower is
Speaker 1: is that at his core he is a consensus builder
Speaker 1: and is drawn to that right, he is an empathizer
Speaker 1: in chief, you know, I mean like when people have loss,
Speaker 1: when they are when they are hurting, and the country
Speaker 1: was very much hurting, right, So in that sense he
Speaker 1: had a lot of the qualities of what people needed
Speaker 1: in the moment, right. I also think there was a
Speaker 1: certain sense in which he just was very elexable candidate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And you know, sometimes it's like, what does that mean? Right?
Speaker 1: What means they get elected? Right? Because it can mean
Speaker 1: all sorts of things. But I think there was probably
Speaker 1: during the primary process, and I'm guilty of this too.
Speaker 1: I wasn't working on the campaign, kind of an underestimation
Speaker 1: of his political power, right, and political effectiveness. It's like,
Speaker 1: I remember being in Iowa during the primary, and it
Speaker 1: didn't I mean, he got fourth or fifth or whenever
Speaker 1: place he got there during the caucus. It didn't really
Speaker 1: feel like he was barreling toward the nomination to anyone, right,
Speaker 1: But you know, and then it was like, well, and
Speaker 1: he also doesn't have a good social media game or
Speaker 1: whatever the manny ranges of critiques were at the time.
Speaker 1: But then the reality is that where he won was
Speaker 1: by winning over what is essentially still the base of
Speaker 1: the party, which is like African American voters in South
Speaker 1: Carolina and other part and other I was gonna say
Speaker 1: March madness. It kind of is March madness, but basketball
Speaker 1: other primaries in March, right. It's sometimes to me when
Speaker 1: I look back at that, it's it's like a lesson
Speaker 1: and a reminder. I mean, I've lived in DC on
Speaker 1: and off for twenty years, so like, I think DC's
Speaker 1: a great place, but it's easy to get kind of
Speaker 1: stuck in this echo chamber fear right, which is not
Speaker 1: how people actually talk, think about things, consume information, and
Speaker 1: he has had a connection with the world outside of DC,
Speaker 1: which I think has helped him politically and helped him
Speaker 1: kind of overcome people's underestimation of his political capacity. You're
Speaker 1: like such a beloved press secretary, and you know, you
Speaker 1: definitely had Fox news man who shall not be named
Speaker 1: like yelling at you, but you really didn't have the
Speaker 1: same kind of I mean, I think that people are
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're harder on her exactly, but
Speaker 1: it definitely feels like your predecessor has been really attacked
Speaker 1: in a way. It's a really really hard job, and
Speaker 1: only the people who have stood there and done it
Speaker 1: know it. That's like, and I think it's a small
Speaker 1: collection of people, regardless of your party, maybe with some
Speaker 1: exceptions from the Trump era, who know that. Right. It's
Speaker 1: even harder when you're in a place where there's very
Speaker 1: little you can say that is less to do with
Speaker 1: the person than the moment in times sometimes, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, and I think the couple of months where
Speaker 1: it was like every day it was about documents and
Speaker 1: what was known or wasn't known. That's hard for anybody
Speaker 1: in that job to be doing that and to be
Speaker 1: in a position where there's not a lot you can
Speaker 1: say or add or share. It's also true that being
Speaker 1: the press secretary during a presidential campaign or a potential
Speaker 1: one is also hard because there is something called the
Speaker 1: Hatch Act, of which I violated, and I got a
Speaker 1: sternly written letter. Wait when did you violate the Hatch Act?
Speaker 1: At some point when I was the Press secretary? I
Speaker 1: can't even remember what I said. It was something so innocuous.
Speaker 1: It was like about the president supporting someone or campaigning
Speaker 1: for someone. I don't remember what it was. I mean,
Speaker 1: let's remember Trump literally did the convention on the South Lawn,
Speaker 1: So like, right, I was going to say, it's all relative.
Speaker 1: But my point is that there is a limitation to
Speaker 1: what you can say and how much you can talk
Speaker 1: about politics, and so that limits even more what information
Speaker 1: you can provide. So I think it's that's really tough.
Speaker 1: I worked with Kream closely. She's like a person who
Speaker 1: wants She's like a fantastic human being, and she's a person.
Speaker 1: Yeah she's been on this podcast. She's wonderful. She's wonderful,
Speaker 1: she's a fantastic to human being. She cares deeply, she
Speaker 1: believes in like defending democracy and in public service and
Speaker 1: in what the president is trying to do. And I
Speaker 1: was fortunate to work with her for a year and
Speaker 1: a half. So but I would just say that it's hard, Molly,
Speaker 1: because sometimes it doesn't mean you're always deligned in there, right,
Speaker 1: Reporters are doing their job when they're asking for more information,
Speaker 1: even when they get heated about it, and when they're
Speaker 1: asking tough questions about it. When you don't have information
Speaker 1: you can provide for whatever reason, that makes your job
Speaker 1: nearly impossible. And so she knows that. And I think
Speaker 1: she's also like a super tough cookie and people should
Speaker 1: know that about her too. I mean you have to
Speaker 1: be to do that job right, yes, because I mean
Speaker 1: even if they like you, they still don't like you ultimately. Right,
Speaker 1: there's still at tension there, yeah, of course, and there's
Speaker 1: meant to be. I mean, you know, the truth is
Speaker 1: the briefing room as a place where reporters are pushing
Speaker 1: and asking a question ten times and pushing for more
Speaker 1: information and asking for press conferences with the president. That
Speaker 1: is what they're supposed to do, right, And when you're
Speaker 1: the press secretary, you're supposed to provide as much information
Speaker 1: as you can humanly provide about whatever the issue is,
Speaker 1: to help shed light on what's happening in the mind
Speaker 1: of the president in the administration and their work on
Speaker 1: behalf of the American public. There's a shared desire I
Speaker 1: think by most reporters and by most press secretaries to
Speaker 1: be a part of what is essential in art and
Speaker 1: a democracy, which is like a fully functioning journalism sector. Right.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't mean that your approaches are always aligned, right,
Speaker 1: Because it's if you're the White House Press secretary and
Speaker 1: you said, every time somebody asked for an interview, yes,
Speaker 1: that's like that's a disservice right to the president and
Speaker 1: the government. But every reporter should be asking for that
Speaker 1: every day. So in that sense, even not through mal intent,
Speaker 1: it can be conflicting. Tell us what's happening on the
Speaker 1: show this week. One of the insane reactions from many
Speaker 1: Republicans to the shooting in Nashville was to attack the
Speaker 1: trans community. Trans terrorism was actually trending the other day,
Speaker 1: which is horrible and crazy. And I spent the afternoon
Speaker 1: the other day with dani Ka Rome, who is the
Speaker 1: first transgender person elected in Virginia, and we talked about
Speaker 1: that we talked about her growing up. We also talked about,
Speaker 1: you know, what she wanted to do. She's running for
Speaker 1: state senate. She's a delegate currently, and I think there's
Speaker 1: so many misconceptions about so many people, but certainly people
Speaker 1: in the trans community feel this every day. While she
Speaker 1: is a very vocal advocate for trans rights and equality,
Speaker 1: as she should be, and many people know here because
Speaker 1: of that, she also is somebody who wants to fix
Speaker 1: roads and make sure kids have food in schools and things,
Speaker 1: and I think sometimes people miss that. So I spend
Speaker 1: time with her. We're also going to be talking a
Speaker 1: lot about guns and gun violence and the absurdity of
Speaker 1: that debate. We're working on cooking up a couple of
Speaker 1: interesting guests. So that's where we are noon on Sunday. Fantastic,
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Thank you, Molly. Great talking with you.
Speaker 1: John Heileman is the host of Showtimes the Circus. Welcome
Speaker 1: to Fast Politics, John Heileman, I'm back, I'm back, and
Speaker 1: the politics over here is it used to be fast?
Speaker 1: You should be called faster politics. I think you know
Speaker 1: it keeps getting faster, faster, faster. Well, if only it
Speaker 1: would be faster. We have never been a country where
Speaker 1: I mean Nixon didn't go to jail. Yes, we've never
Speaker 1: been a country where finished the thoughts, where there's been
Speaker 1: a lot of accountability for our electeds. There are many
Speaker 1: people who would say, Molly, that one of the strengths
Speaker 1: of the American system is that we did not historically
Speaker 1: criminalize political stuff. That we kept political accountability in the
Speaker 1: political realm, and we kept legal accountability in the legal realm,
Speaker 1: and we tried not to We hope that rarely the
Speaker 1: twin would meet, right, We didn't want criminal presidents who
Speaker 1: are constantly you didn't want people indicting presidents left right
Speaker 1: in center or trying to jail sitting presidents of the
Speaker 1: United States. That kind of a horrible country, Mike, or
Speaker 1: you are constantly had the opposing party of either side
Speaker 1: constantly trying to throw the president in jail on what
Speaker 1: would almost certainly be in many cases, I'm not talking
Speaker 1: about Trump, but in many games would be spurious reasons.
Speaker 1: So I think it's the fact that the country is
Speaker 1: not historically thrown a lot of presidents in jail or
Speaker 1: ex presidents jail. That's a good thing, Like we should
Speaker 1: be happy about that, right, But but I think it is.
Speaker 1: It does speak to the way our system was design
Speaker 1: was not to rely on the courts to seek accountability
Speaker 1: from presidents and ex presidents. And so now we're in
Speaker 1: a situation that is unprecedented for all the reasons that
Speaker 1: you and I and everybody knows. Donald Trump is not
Speaker 1: like any other president who's ever been president United States,
Speaker 1: even compared to you know, Nixon did a lot of
Speaker 1: bad shit, but ultimately Nixon looked up and said, yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: they got me. I'm gonna quit now and go hide
Speaker 1: out in San Clementi and write books and try to
Speaker 1: rehabilitate my reputation. Trump is, you know, the absolute opposite
Speaker 1: of that. And it's funny. I found myself arguing somebody
Speaker 1: the other day that Trump is like, in some ways,
Speaker 1: if he could actually read, and I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: convinced that he is literate, but if he could read,
Speaker 1: and then if he could read at a high level,
Speaker 1: I would say, like, Trump behaves like he's a follower
Speaker 1: of like Fuko. You know, he's like people are like
Speaker 1: well with Norm's standards, shame, and he looks at these
Speaker 1: and goes, you know, those are just words, right, They're
Speaker 1: just words like you all have attached to meaning to
Speaker 1: and their historically contingent. They mean nothing to me. You've
Speaker 1: all decided that these things mean something, but you know
Speaker 1: that intrinsically they mean nothing thing. And if you just
Speaker 1: decide they don't mean anything, you can get away with
Speaker 1: a lot of shit. We've never had a present like
Speaker 1: that before. Yeah, No, fundamentally, I mean that is I
Speaker 1: think the real difference, and I think it's hard for
Speaker 1: people to sort of make peace with the fact that
Speaker 1: he will never say this is too much. The man
Speaker 1: last week engaged in an open, totally racist, totally asemitic
Speaker 1: campaign of intimidation, desabilization against an elected DA here in
Speaker 1: New York, Alvin Bragg, and really against the grand Jury itself.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's true, it's clear what Trump was doing
Speaker 1: last week. It was like what he's done all all
Speaker 1: throughout his political career, which is lightest stick of dynamite,
Speaker 1: roll it into whatever venue he's going to play, and
Speaker 1: watch the rubble blow up in the air and see
Speaker 1: where it falls, and then kind of be like, I'm
Speaker 1: more comfortable in that environment amid the rubble, and you know,
Speaker 1: the smoldering fires in the burning building than I am
Speaker 1: in the kind of realms that every other politician is
Speaker 1: more comfortable in, which is like not amid blown up
Speaker 1: buildings and and and fires. Right, But it's an amazing thing,
Speaker 1: And on some level you go, well, it's not surprising
Speaker 1: at all. Trump. That's a Trump's done all along racist, sure,
Speaker 1: any Semitic, Sure, no respect for established authority, law, precedent. Sure,
Speaker 1: he's done all those things. But even so, and maybe
Speaker 1: I'm just a baby or whatever, but like I still
Speaker 1: found it shocking, you know, to see you know, Oh,
Speaker 1: sure I'll retweet or read whatever the fucking they called
Speaker 1: those They refused to call them truths. I refused to
Speaker 1: call them truths, whatever that thing on Pruce Socialist. I'll
Speaker 1: retruth some post that has me holding a baseball bat
Speaker 1: at Alden Bragg's head. Sure I'll do that. And then,
Speaker 1: of course, you know, I'll go and do all of it,
Speaker 1: culminating with this fucking crazy rally in Waco, where I went, Oh,
Speaker 1: did you go to Waco? So yes I did, and
Speaker 1: watched him stand there, you know, amid people who are
Speaker 1: like comparing him favorably to David Koresh, as If Koresh
Speaker 1: you know, child rapist and a cult leader and a
Speaker 1: violent criminal who like set fire to a compound where
Speaker 1: he killed all of his followers. That guy's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: dam of course that guy was great. And the government
Speaker 1: was really tear in Waco man jack booted thugs who
Speaker 1: took that guy down, and your Trump's just like that.
Speaker 1: There was a siege at Waco, and there was a
Speaker 1: siege at Marlago, and Trump's just like that. And then
Speaker 1: he walks out on stage and plays the J six choir,
Speaker 1: you know, just calls them to the content choir and
Speaker 1: stands there with his hand over his heart and basically
Speaker 1: is now in the process of essentially you're going to
Speaker 1: see that at a lot of Trump rallies in the
Speaker 1: Coortless next year. It's like Trump basically saying, not, hey,
Speaker 1: January sixth wasn't as bad as people said. It wasn't
Speaker 1: really an insurrection and it was really this or that.
Speaker 1: He's like not saying it wasn't as bad as you
Speaker 1: as people say. He's saying, it was a great and
Speaker 1: glorious day. And the patriots have been imprisoned. They are
Speaker 1: political prisoners. And that's like now his like out front
Speaker 1: handover his heart, Molly hand over his heart. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's fucking crazy, is it that Trump has not read enough?
Speaker 1: Like did he read the first sentence about David Koresh
Speaker 1: and then not read the rest? I mean do you
Speaker 1: think he was like, yeah, yeah, David Koresh. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: do you think he knows like slept with the underage girls?
Speaker 1: Let A called or now? I had no idea. I
Speaker 1: really can't. I mean I don't. I can't. Again, I'd
Speaker 1: not convinced Trump has read anything. There's a few things
Speaker 1: on TV now about Waco, with this being the thirty
Speaker 1: year anniversary, so maybe maybe he's watched I mean, did
Speaker 1: he watch all three hours of the new Netflix dot that?
Speaker 1: You know? There's no there's no topless women in that documentary.
Speaker 1: So I didn't watched that. I don't think so. But
Speaker 1: I mean, look, Roger Stone dedicated to one of his books,
Speaker 1: to the Branch Davidians right. Roger Stone knows, you know,
Speaker 1: as Roger Stone ever talked to Donald Trump about what
Speaker 1: Waco means. Alex Jones was an unknown right wing radio
Speaker 1: host in Austin until Waco, and he used Waco to
Speaker 1: become what we now know. Alex Jones is to stand
Speaker 1: band and know the history of Wacoste band and knows
Speaker 1: the history of Waco, like a lot of people around
Speaker 1: Trump know what the history of this is, and they
Speaker 1: know that it became, you know, after a first Ruby Ridge,
Speaker 1: then Waco and then Oklahoma City. It became kind of
Speaker 1: this potemic, you know, touchstone for the far extreme right,
Speaker 1: the militia movements and all those people. So does Trump
Speaker 1: no know any of that history. I never want to
Speaker 1: impute knowledge to Trump, right, It's like, it's not I
Speaker 1: don't think he knows anything. It seems unfair. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I think he knows that people who love him think
Speaker 1: Waco is is special in some way. And so again
Speaker 1: I don't want to excuse him. I'm just saying, like
Speaker 1: I would never want to say, oh, Trump, Trump has
Speaker 1: a great command of this history. I don't you know,
Speaker 1: that seems ridiculous, But the people around him do. There
Speaker 1: are a lot of accidents. People make a lot of
Speaker 1: mistakes in politics, but there aren't coincidences. You know, you
Speaker 1: don't hold a rally in the middle of the anniversary
Speaker 1: of Waco in Waco while you're mounting an increasingly avid
Speaker 1: anti campaign of Camp have attacks on the legal system
Speaker 1: in which you are portraying yourself as a martyr. That
Speaker 1: doesn't happen by accident, Right, That's that's the one thing
Speaker 1: I could say. It's like, oh, yeah, hey, we picked
Speaker 1: Waco because it was very central to all the airports
Speaker 1: in Texas. What a fucking what a load up ship
Speaker 1: that was. So that's all that's all I know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it certainly does feel like he's
Speaker 1: priming the pump for anti government. I don't want to
Speaker 1: say violence, because but it certainly feels like that's what
Speaker 1: he's doing. If it weren't for what happened on January sixth,
Speaker 1: you would kind of set one to say, well, the
Speaker 1: suggestion that Trump is encouraging a violent protests against the government,
Speaker 1: let's give him the benefit that if Trump wouldn't go
Speaker 1: that far, if it work for January sixth, you might
Speaker 1: you might be like, Okay, let's you know, just let's
Speaker 1: force ourselves to not think that he's doing the worst
Speaker 1: possible thing you can imagine. But you know, and the
Speaker 1: context of what he did in the run ups January sixth,
Speaker 1: like it's now you have a reasonable expectation why he
Speaker 1: did it. Once, so why wouldn't you do it again? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think that's sort of amazing. So I
Speaker 1: want to ask you about this. There's a little bit
Speaker 1: of discourse in the like maybe it won't be De Santists,
Speaker 1: maybe it will be Glen Yunkin. I don't know how
Speaker 1: any of these people went against Trump when Trump owns
Speaker 1: the base. I mean, it's it's a formidable challenge to
Speaker 1: be as popular as Trump is with as large chunk.
Speaker 1: And I have to say it over and over again
Speaker 1: for people who don't really understand I guess how politics works.
Speaker 1: It's like no one is saying that Donald Trump has
Speaker 1: a coalition that we look at his coalition and say
Speaker 1: that is a formidable general election coalition. Now it's not.
Speaker 1: But in our politics, it's a two part thing. You
Speaker 1: can't run in the general election until you win the nomination.
Speaker 1: So the first thing that every politician, not just Trump
Speaker 1: but everybody, the first thing you're focused on is how
Speaker 1: do I get the nomination? Then you look and focus
Speaker 1: on what you know what you're going to do in
Speaker 1: the general election. Now, Trump has a lot of problems
Speaker 1: in a general election, but he also has a lot
Speaker 1: of strengths in the nomination process, and frankly, if you're
Speaker 1: worried about I mean a you know everybody who We've
Speaker 1: seen Trump's weaknesses not just played out. We saw him
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen to some extent though he won. We
Speaker 1: saw them in twenty eighteen, twenty twenty two. We know
Speaker 1: what he can't, what he doesn't have the capacity to do.
Speaker 1: But we also know that we have this weird system
Speaker 1: that's based on the electoral college and not based on
Speaker 1: the popular vote. We know that, you know, crazy shit
Speaker 1: happens all the time in America now, and we know that,
Speaker 1: like even if you said Trump isn't even a fifty
Speaker 1: fifty chants in a general election, he's going to get
Speaker 1: forty six, forty seven percent of the vote. Naturally, he's
Speaker 1: gonna win a every red state that we know that's
Speaker 1: a hardcore red state. And so like, the guy stands
Speaker 1: up what you want to call it, a forty percent
Speaker 1: chance of being president, that's a pretty that's like more
Speaker 1: than I'm comfortable with, Like, yeah, it's you four and
Speaker 1: ten times yeah. And so it doesn't give me comfort
Speaker 1: to say, you know, Trump is going to be a
Speaker 1: sper He is obviously the candidate that Biden would like
Speaker 1: to run against, not just because of some personal thing,
Speaker 1: but because you know of the weaknesses that have been
Speaker 1: on display electorally, but in the nomination fight, the thing
Speaker 1: that gets him into the position where he has somewhere
Speaker 1: between a forty and forty eight percent chance of being president.
Speaker 1: He's very strong, and you look at you know there
Speaker 1: is that The appeal of De Santis is a head appeal.
Speaker 1: It's like it's these people at the Club for Growth
Speaker 1: and the Carl Row people who are sitting around going
Speaker 1: they understand it's the elite, and it's people who would
Speaker 1: like the Republican Party. Two, they understand the Trump's a
Speaker 1: loser and he's an optrosse and he hurts the party
Speaker 1: down ballot, and they look at they say, how do
Speaker 1: we get out of this. We're not gonna get out
Speaker 1: of this with Chris Christie. We're not going to get
Speaker 1: out of this with Governor Hogan from Maryland. We need
Speaker 1: someone who is like Mitt Romney, but who has just
Speaker 1: enough MAGA credentials. And here's a guy who's fought these
Speaker 1: culture wars in Florida based loves these culture wars. They
Speaker 1: love to watch people punching trans kids in the face.
Speaker 1: And so they look at De Santis and he's like
Speaker 1: the Frankenstein. He's like, you know, he's a lab created thing.
Speaker 1: It's like a mend it's a project. It's like, here's
Speaker 1: the guy who basically we like in his establishment Republican
Speaker 1: except he's he's done these things that have worked for
Speaker 1: him in Florida manifestly, I mean, very impressive reelection there.
Speaker 1: And they say, Okay, that's the guy who might be
Speaker 1: able to, you know, one on one against Trump, who
Speaker 1: might be able to take him down. And then you
Speaker 1: just look at like what it would actually look like.
Speaker 1: And you know, I said this this morning on Morning Joe.
Speaker 1: It's like, has anybody seen the Rond de Santas debate
Speaker 1: against Charlie Christ, Yeah, he's terrible. Has anybody seen the
Speaker 1: Rond de Santas debate against against meth Head Andrew Gillham?
Speaker 1: Like he got taken apart by two. I mean Andrew
Speaker 1: Gilham was at at times a pretty talented performer, right
Speaker 1: Troley Chris has never been a talented performer. And and
Speaker 1: and in both of them, though Decans looked like a
Speaker 1: deer in the headlights, and both of those of these
Speaker 1: major debates he's had to do. They shield him from
Speaker 1: the press on the ground in Florida because they know
Speaker 1: that he's brittle, yea, and they think that he could
Speaker 1: go off the rails if he was ever had to
Speaker 1: take a lot of tough questions from reporters. They're worried
Speaker 1: about these debates and Trump is going to you know,
Speaker 1: he's a human, he's a human threshing machine. He's you know,
Speaker 1: I look at that and go, man, if I'm sure,
Speaker 1: if I'm if, I'm to sans a people. I think,
Speaker 1: as a practical matter, how's this actually going to work?
Speaker 1: Like in practice? All of Trump's support with the base
Speaker 1: And again, whatever you think about Trump, he has a
Speaker 1: very very well demonstrated history of ripping other Republicans into
Speaker 1: tiny little pieces into like confetti and blowing them and
Speaker 1: shooting them out of his confetti gun like a a
Speaker 1: halftime of an NBA game. Like, I don't I don't
Speaker 1: see like how that's gonna work. I think Trump will
Speaker 1: call him tiny d and tower over him and that
Speaker 1: will be the end of it. Yes, I just think
Speaker 1: that I think that that, you know, it's an interesting
Speaker 1: thing in the Republican base right now, because you do
Speaker 1: here even you know, down in Florida, we were down
Speaker 1: there for the circus and we went down there and
Speaker 1: talk to you have rounded a lot of people in Florida.
Speaker 1: Republicans in Florida who say, we love run to Santas,
Speaker 1: but we really would like him to stay here for
Speaker 1: another four years and let Donald Trump be reelected president
Speaker 1: because he had that taken away from him and he
Speaker 1: needs to finish the job. And so does round to Santas.
Speaker 1: He needs to stay here and finish the job. Santis
Speaker 1: in twenty eight sounds great to us. And that's another
Speaker 1: problem to Santas has even like there are a lot
Speaker 1: of people who are like, they don't want to see
Speaker 1: to Santas and Trump fighting. They like, actually kind of
Speaker 1: they want they don't like it when Trump attacks to
Speaker 1: Santas and they don't like it went to Santas attacks Trump.
Speaker 1: They're kind of like they're, you know, the Republican bases
Speaker 1: like can we all please just I mean a funny
Speaker 1: way on on our team. They would rather see the
Speaker 1: two of them like working together, like let's just have
Speaker 1: this be orderly, you know, let's let's Trump, let's have
Speaker 1: Trump for run in twenty twenty four. He'll win. This
Speaker 1: is their view right there, and then let's then let's
Speaker 1: have me give me to Santas pick up the baton
Speaker 1: after he's fixed Florida. I put quotes around air quotes
Speaker 1: after he's finished fixing Florida. And apparently, you know, shipping
Speaker 1: off all the truth. Anybody who's who's uh, who's any
Speaker 1: trans kid, anybody who you know an anybody who stands
Speaker 1: doesn't like, you know, exiled them. But but then that's
Speaker 1: what they're looking forward to. And then they say, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: then just Santas can pr nomine in twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 1: We'll get behind him. I've seen in the course of
Speaker 1: my time covering politics a lot of heralded candidates who
Speaker 1: were like Pete Wilson people forget back in nineteen eighty six.
Speaker 1: It was like people say, Governor California had like the
Speaker 1: sharp end of the spear on any immigration policies in
Speaker 1: America back then, Pete Wilson Governor California or a publican
Speaker 1: governor California, tough on immigrants, tough un weelfare, He's going
Speaker 1: to be formidable. The guy was like an awful presidential terrible,
Speaker 1: you know, and you've seen this a million times. These
Speaker 1: people who are big state governors, Rick Perry, big state
Speaker 1: governors who are like on paper, you're like Scott Walker,
Speaker 1: Scott Walker. And then they got act there in the
Speaker 1: arena on the national stage, which is just different even
Speaker 1: when Trump wasn't around, and they just were terrible. Um
Speaker 1: so we'll see. I mean, but I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: in the camp yet of like, Wow, Randos understand as
Speaker 1: as a juggernaut and he could really take down Trump.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's not where I'd be betting my mortgage
Speaker 1: money if I had to bet. Thank you, John so great.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you. Molly, You're just the best. Molly
Speaker 1: drunk fast Jesse Cannon. Now, when you're a pregnant woman,
Speaker 1: you can be a criminal if you cross state lines
Speaker 1: in Idaho. Yes, Idaho went from states rights to no
Speaker 1: rights pretty fucking fast. Idaho doesn't want you going to
Speaker 1: get abortion pills. They don't want you going out of
Speaker 1: state to get an abortion. I love that they're also
Speaker 1: apparently basing some of these laws off of slave laws
Speaker 1: about crossing up to the north. That's really nice. Fugitive
Speaker 1: slave laws is what we should be modeling our modern
Speaker 1: legislation off of it. It's just disgusting and I'm disappointed
Speaker 1: but not surprised. That's it for this episode of Fast Politics.
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