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Speaker 2: let's get to the show. Let's go over to Trump trial.

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Speaker 2: I want to give everybody an update. Yes, I know

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Speaker 2: that the details are maddening, but yesterday genuinely was an

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Speaker 2: important moment at the Trump tile. Let's put this up

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Speaker 2: there on the screen. This was chaos at the trial.

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Speaker 2: Judge clears the courtroom over irritation with the Trump defense witness.

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Speaker 2: So everybody stick with me here because it basically comes

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Speaker 2: back to a lawyer. His name is Robert Costello, was

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Speaker 2: actually called by the Trump defense team to discuss a

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Speaker 2: previous meeting that he had with Michael Cohen. That meeting

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Speaker 2: allegedly took place in April of twenty eighteen, after the

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Speaker 2: FBI had raided Cohen's hotel, room, home, and office.

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Speaker 3: Now, according to Costello.

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Speaker 2: He says, quote he was putting on quite a show

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Speaker 2: referring to Michael Cohen, and that he was actually introduced

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Speaker 2: basically to call into question Michael Cohen's both state of

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Speaker 2: mind and to say that he was suicidal, that he

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Speaker 2: was quote a drama queen, and several others. The judge

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Speaker 2: ended up actually clearing the courtroom because they were very

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Speaker 2: upset with Costello apparently like audibly jeering the judge and

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Speaker 2: his own rulings, saying before clearing the courtroom, merchants said,

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Speaker 2: the jurors out scolded Costello for saying geez in response

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Speaker 2: to objections from prosecutors and forgiving the judge quote side eye.

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Speaker 2: So there was some shenanigans that were happening there. So

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Speaker 2: all of this was actually called Ryan in the defense,

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Speaker 2: you have anything you want to say before we get

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Speaker 2: to what Michael Cohen admitted to say.

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Speaker 4: At one point the judge said to the witness, are

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Speaker 4: you staring me down yet?

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Speaker 3: Now? So they were square enough. The witness of the.

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Speaker 2: Judge almost almost fought, yeah, these are Trump. Trump really

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Speaker 2: does bring out the words to us, doesn't he. But

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Speaker 2: let's get you know, the actual major part here. The

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Speaker 2: media was all focused in on this part, right on this,

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Speaker 2: on this Costello thing. I couldn't coult noticing that Michael Cohen,

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Speaker 2: on the stand under oath, straight up admitted to stealing

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Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars from Trump in this alleged transfer of

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Speaker 2: fund So again, if we'll all remember, Cohen takes out

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Speaker 2: like a mortgage on his house, he pays off Stormy Daniels.

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Speaker 2: Trump then has a portion of his Trump organization funds,

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Speaker 2: which are then reimbursed to Michael Cohen. The allegation is

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Speaker 2: that reimbursement, which Trump reported as a payment, was not

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Speaker 2: actually for compensation. It was done for election purposes. To

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Speaker 2: make it even more convoluted, in New York state law,

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Speaker 2: what I just described there is just a misdemeanor and

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Speaker 2: not a felony. So to make it a felony, it

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Speaker 2: had to have been done in order to cover up

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Speaker 2: a second crime. Even that second crime is a federal,

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Speaker 2: unprosecuted crime. Are you guys sticking with me here, Well,

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Speaker 2: what Cohen admitted to does not require any convoluted logic.

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Speaker 3: Don't even have to ask me.

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Speaker 2: Here is a CNN analyst who is like, honestly, this

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Speaker 2: is a worse crime than what Trump is being charged with.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a lesson.

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Speaker 5: Michael Cohen explained this whole thing.

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Speaker 1: Quote that's what was owed, and I didn't feel mister

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Speaker 1: Trump deserved the difference. That's a lot different than I

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Speaker 1: stole sixty thousand dollars from my boss on the transaction

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Speaker 5: And by the way, the fact that he was never

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Speaker 5: charged with larsening is important because stealing sixty thousand dollars

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Speaker 5: is more serious of a crime than falsifying business.

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Speaker 2: More serious of a crime and falsifying business records. Also,

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Speaker 2: just so everybody is one hundred percent clear, I'm going

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Speaker 2: to read you a direct transcript from the trial. So

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Speaker 2: you stole from the Trump organization, right, Trump's lawyer asked Cohen, Yes, sir,

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Speaker 2: that's very sad, just like you can't even.

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Speaker 3: Make this up.

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Speaker 2: He also later testified that he stole as a form

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Speaker 2: he said, yes, I stall. He said that under oath,

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Speaker 4: I looked at up Statute of Limitations on grand larcenity

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Speaker 4: in the New York five years.

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Speaker 4: But you know, you can always you can always fiddle

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, like stealing fifty or sixty thousand dollars is

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Speaker 4: have you paid back the Trump organization?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: I mean this is odd. This is part of the transcript.

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Speaker 2: Now, why are we even focusing on this because from

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Speaker 2: my estimates, so again, if you go watch CNN Primetime

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Speaker 2: leading with the Costello thing. But they're not even mentioning

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Speaker 2: the Michael Cohen thing. Well, the Michael Cohen admission of stealing,

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Speaker 2: straight up shenanigans has really wrecked a lot of the

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Speaker 2: prosecution's case. All the prosecution or all the defense has

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Speaker 2: admitted criminal, and that they have enough reasonable doubt that

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Speaker 2: for election purposes. As long as there is a single

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Speaker 2: Trump did this just so he didn't want his wife.

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Speaker 3: To find out he's Scott free.

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Speaker 2: I mean, and I don't think that there is anything

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Speaker 2: because I wouldn't believe that for anybody, including Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: Right, It's basically a.

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Speaker 4: State of mind, Yeah, trial prosecution, and Trump has one

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Speaker 4: of the most inscrutable states of mind and also one

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Speaker 4: of the most readable.

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Speaker 4: question of whether or not he would feel personal or

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Speaker 4: the public.

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Speaker 3: If news of this affair broke out.

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Speaker 4: And with almost every human being on the planet, you

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Speaker 4: with that. Then the question for the jurors is, is

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Speaker 4: And how this appears in the wake of the access Hollywood, Yes,

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Speaker 4: tay it all, And so they have Michael Cohen test fying, No, No,

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Speaker 4: it was one about the It was one percent about

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Speaker 4: this and because I've known him for a very long time.

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Speaker 4: So then it does hinge on Cohen's credibility. Prosecutors asked him,

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Speaker 4: you really want you hate Trump? Yeah, He's like, yeah, yes,

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Speaker 4: you want him to go down, right, don't you. And

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Speaker 4: then he does, so he's motivated.

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Speaker 3: He's a liar, right.

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Speaker 4: On the other hand, Trump did the thing he did.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, that that's that's the wild question that this

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Speaker 3: That's the funny question for the jury.

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Speaker 4: Does Donald Trump have a single human shred of decency?

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Speaker 3: And that's literally all you need. You just need a

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Speaker 4: So you could find twelve New Yorkers who are like, actually, no,

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Speaker 2: But then you know, then we have questions about appeal

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Speaker 2: and all that. It's not like things just end a

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Speaker 2: single in one way. So just so everybody understands Trump's

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Speaker 2: criminal trial that actually happened on Monday, and then as

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Speaker 2: at least procedurally, we will not get anything. I think

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Speaker 3: We have closing arguments, etc. That we'll all play out.

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Speaker 2: So the rule of the actual judgment from the jurors

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Speaker 3: That's another reason we wanted to check in with every.

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Speaker 4: And the content guys appear to have cursed us in

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Speaker 2: The irony is that he always wants to testify in

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Speaker 3: He can at least campaign again. It doesn't have to

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Speaker 2: In court until until those are going to be after

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Speaker 2: the election. Yeah, because of the in confidence of all

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Speaker 4: Even if he's convicted, you can still appeal to conviction exactly,

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Speaker 4: and you could be free on bond doing that.

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Speaker 3: Appeal. We'll see. Let's go to the debate section here.

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Speaker 2: We want to give everybody an update on the presidential

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Speaker 2: debates actually going to happen next month, which is kind

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Speaker 2: of incredible, you know, not a very long turnaround the

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Speaker 2: earliest debates in modern American history. Trump agreeing to do

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Speaker 2: two to actually three debates. Biden only agreed to do

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Speaker 2: two debates. There's been lots of questions around the format,

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Speaker 2: what that's all going to look like. The very first

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Speaker 2: debate is going to take place on CNN. But this

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Speaker 2: time around, Trump has an interesting stipulation. And remember this,

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Speaker 2: the rules are not up to anybody except the two

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Speaker 2: campaigns and the network. It's a trilateral negotiation. There is

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Speaker 2: literally anything could happen. It's the only campaigns. There's no

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Speaker 2: preset rules like with the Commission on Presidential Debates. Trump

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Speaker 2: is saying that he is going to demand a drug

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Speaker 2: test for Joe Biden.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 6: No, I have fake tappers. They said, I just want

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Speaker 6: to debate this guy. But you know, and I'm going

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Speaker 6: to demand a drug test too, by the way, I am, no,

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Speaker 6: I really am. I don't want him coming in like

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Speaker 6: the State of the Union.

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Speaker 4: and lives live streaming it. What actually happened behind that

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Speaker 4: is really anybody's guests. But Sager, let's unpack what we

440
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Speaker 4: know about it because it's absolutely just incredible the details.

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Speaker 4: So the main character here at Christian Malanga, who fled

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Speaker 4: the Congo when he was a child for Utah and

443
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Speaker 4: became a made a lot of money in Utah.

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Speaker 3: He's only forty one years old. He has his eight children.

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Speaker 4: He went back about ten years ago to try to

446
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Speaker 4: basically launch a political career in Congo. Failed, did a

447
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Speaker 4: couple of weeks in prison after that failure, and then

448
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Speaker 4: managed to get back to Utah, which is where the

449
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Speaker 4: story could have ended instead.

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Speaker 3: But he didn't there. Didn't end there.

451
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Speaker 4: He came back over used his wealth to do a

452
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Speaker 4: decent amount of business over in the Congo, some of

453
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Speaker 4: it with an American pot entrepreneur, which.

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Speaker 3: Is to be already is going to be part of

455
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Speaker 3: this soon.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this white guy who's into pot who goes over

457
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Speaker 4: to Congo to make a fortune. Okay, let's sketchy already.

458
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Speaker 4: So recently he went over there also with his son.

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Speaker 4: Marcel Maloga is one of his sons.

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Speaker 2: Social media influence, Yeah, twenty one year old social media influencer,

461
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Speaker 2: very pro Trump. People have loved to point out that

462
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,199
Speaker 2: he's just maga to the core and like all these

463
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Speaker 2: photos of him like just flashing money and like just class,

464
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Speaker 2: just absolutely classic Trump style. Influencer is going to stop

465
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Speaker 2: being funny in a moment, but not really so this,

466
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Speaker 2: so there was a very contested presidential election at the

467
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Speaker 2: end of twenty twenty three, which didn't resolve until early

468
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, essentially because of all the allegations of irregularity.

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Speaker 2: There have been very few presidential elections in Congo period

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Speaker 2: since you know Congo was you know, became Zaire and

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Speaker 2: then Underbuto and then and then becomes Congo again, and

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Speaker 2: so it's a very very fragile hold on democracy. And

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Speaker 2: so out of nowhere you've got this Christian Malana guy

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Speaker 2: who with a handful of other armed men.

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Speaker 3: First they go to basically.

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Speaker 2: The home of the incoming speaker of the Assembly and

477
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Speaker 2: they shoot that up. One of their one of the

478
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Speaker 2: one of the assailants is killed. They're live streaming all

479
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Speaker 2: this on the basically on Facebook.

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Speaker 4: A couple of guards are killed, and then Malanga says

481
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Speaker 4: to the cameray, says, Felix were coming for you next.

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Speaker 4: And Felix is the head Felix, she's the ketty as

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Speaker 4: the president of Congo. So that they this is early

484
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Speaker 4: morning hours, and so they march their drive down to

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Speaker 4: the presidential palace and they start to shoot that up too.

486
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Speaker 4: He's never there. The President of Congo is never there.

487
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Speaker 4: He lives far away, very very rarely in there. He

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Speaker 4: wasn't there at the time. None of these are the

489
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Speaker 4: power centers like this. It's not an army base, it's

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Speaker 4: not a radio station, it's it's not anywhere where you

491
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Speaker 4: would need to actually take control in order to gain power.

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Speaker 3: They're very quickly arrested.

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Speaker 4: It's a pitiful coup attempt, and Malanga is killed they

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Speaker 4: say resisting arrest. So we don't know exactly what happened

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Speaker 4: at that point. We don't know if he was actually

496
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Speaker 4: resisting arrest, if he was just summarily executed after getting captured.

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Speaker 4: His son it was successfully captured Marcel, as were two

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Speaker 4: of these Americans. So these the Congolese military puts out

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Speaker 4: video the next morning US citizens saying yeah with US passports, yeah,

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Speaker 4: saying look look at these guys like the entrepreneur Matt

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Speaker 4: Miller was asked about this at the State Department and

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Speaker 4: he said, because of privacy laws, we can't say anything

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Speaker 4: about these citizens period. He said, as with any American

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Speaker 4: citizens in custody, we are requesting consular access. So we're

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Speaker 4: going to be We're going to go visit these these

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Speaker 4: folks who were captured in their failed coup attempt. Now

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Speaker 4: let's get into the different theories on what is going

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Speaker 4: on here, because clearly the idea that a handful of

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Speaker 4: people with assault weapons we're going to take over Congo

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Speaker 4: by attacking these residential areas that had Even if they

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Speaker 4: take them over, then they're just hold up in a

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Speaker 4: house and they would be finished off by the morning.

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Speaker 3: So there's a couple theories.

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Speaker 4: One theory is that Malonga had a bunch of allies

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Speaker 4: within the opposition who betrayed him at the last moment

516
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Speaker 4: and said, there's like this guy, We're not doing this.

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Speaker 4: I'm not so sure about that theory. Another theory is

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Speaker 4: that he was goaded into this by allies of the

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Speaker 4: president because the president is on his heels. The president

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Speaker 4: is facing serious opposition right now. Anytime you have a

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Speaker 4: coup attempt that is foiled, we've seen what every country does.

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Speaker 2: After that coup attempt. Yes, they suspend every law, right,

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Speaker 2: take a Claire martial law. He consolidate the center. So

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Speaker 2: they may think it was a false flag operation.

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Speaker 4: He was killing though, right and yeah, in a false

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Speaker 4: flag in the sense that the perpetrator would.

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Speaker 2: Not know so he didn't know he was being writed

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Speaker 2: into that. That would be the theory that he doesn't know.

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Speaker 2: He's not part of a team here.

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Speaker 4: He's just a crazy person who was very able to

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Speaker 4: be even manipulated by more powerful.

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Speaker 3: What about the CIA.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that here I'm looking at a multi millionaire

534
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Speaker 2: African businessman with ties to Utah, an American citizen, cannabis entrepreneur.

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Speaker 2: By the way, all cash business. Last time I check,

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Speaker 2: which are good?

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Speaker 3: Are good? Front?

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Speaker 4: The CIA has always been in bed with drug runners.

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Speaker 4: Now would be funny if they're like.

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Speaker 2: This classic one, the one guy doing business in Africa

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Speaker 2: that isn't involved, It would almost be negligent to not

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Speaker 2: have involved.

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Speaker 3: It kind of you're right, because the.

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Speaker 2: Geopolitics here is that they have a ton of cobalt, yes,

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Speaker 2: and other rare earth mineral right if Joe Rogan talks

546
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Speaker 2: about this all the time, right, like the amount of

547
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Speaker 2: cobalt and you're in my cell phone, if you drive

548
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 2: in Tesla, probably eighty percent of the cobalts in your

549
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Speaker 2: batteries from you know, from the Democratic Republic of the Congos.

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Speaker 3: One of the most mineral wretch places in the entire world. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and guests. Who owns almost all of that is China. Yes.

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Speaker 4: And so while the US has spent its last seventy

553
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Speaker 4: years kind of overthrowing governments and you know, doing our

554
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Speaker 4: aggressive elbow throwing foreign policy, China just kind of comes

555
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Speaker 4: in and just cleans up the mess and then just

556
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Speaker 4: buys the rights.

557
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Speaker 3: To zero interest.

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Speaker 1: Long.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like here, we'll build you.

560
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Speaker 4: Some roads and we'll take the mining routes for all

561
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Speaker 4: of this. And so you've had a whole bunch of

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Speaker 4: coups in Africa over the last several years, many of

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Speaker 4: them involving US trained kind of military figures, and most

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Speaker 4: of those involved internal you know, African politics.

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Speaker 2: Well, we should say too, This also comes I'm sure

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Speaker 2: you can expand this as well. This comes on the

567
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Speaker 2: heels of what just happened in Niger or Nize. In Niger,

568
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Speaker 2: there was just another coup where the US had what

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Speaker 2: was it four thousand troops or something like that, which

570
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Speaker 2: have basically summarily been kicked out.

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Speaker 3: Of the country. They've already kicked the French out, they

572
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Speaker 3: kicked out the French.

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Speaker 2: US troops are basically have no idea what's going on,

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Speaker 2: and they've invited Russian troops actually onto their soil. So

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Speaker 2: US position in Africa right now is actually quite shaky.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and the irony is that the new jerkup was

577
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Speaker 4: carried out by a lot of officers who would US training. Yeah, literally,

578
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Speaker 4: so you a conspiracy theorist might look at that and

579
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Speaker 4: be like, well, clearly the US was involved in that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it didn't work out to our benefits.

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Speaker 4: In fact, yeah, like it appears that it was much

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Speaker 4: more organized, you know, Wagner Group Russia because all of

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Speaker 4: a sudden, Yeah, now French are being thrown out because

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Speaker 4: they're French with a real colonial power in the ger

585
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Speaker 4: But yes, now they're saying the US troops need to

586
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Speaker 4: go too, right. And so not only did we produce,

587
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Speaker 4: you know, just absolutely indescribable amounts of pain and suffering

588
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Speaker 4: and suppression of people's democratic will and nationalism over the

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Speaker 4: last fifty years, we're not even coming out on the

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Speaker 4: winning side. Yeah, we're not doing well, folks.

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Speaker 2: But times with Congo was I was like, I bet

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Speaker 2: you this is in response to you know, the US

593
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Speaker 2: is And again most people have no idea about this.

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Speaker 2: This is totally flying under the radar. But this was

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Speaker 2: a very important military basis. I understand it for monitoring.

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Speaker 2: You know ISIS in Africa and all that a big

597
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Speaker 2: part of the counter terrorism footprint for NATO, for France

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Speaker 2: and the US.

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Speaker 3: But I think most importantly from what I understand, there

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Speaker 3: was a big as drone based down in Niger.

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Speaker 2: It's Djibouti and Niger were the two that we really

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Speaker 2: relied on. So the loss of this, people in AFRICAM

603
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 2: are freaking out about it. Just the command, It's like

604
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Speaker 2: trying to explain like scent Com is like the Central

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Speaker 2: Command AFRICAM is for US Command of all Forces in Africa.

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Speaker 2: As I understand, this was like a code read event

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Speaker 2: for them. Then you look at the Congo, the wealthiest

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Speaker 2: nation by mineral rights in the entire African continent. Oh,

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Speaker 2: in a US citizen cash business entrepreneur, just with a

610
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Speaker 2: multi millionaire UTAP businessman happens to get caught up in

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Speaker 2: a coup on the government.

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Speaker 4: And if people want the background, Emily and I interviewed

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Speaker 4: the author of the new biography of Patrice Lamumba. Oh, yes,

614
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Speaker 4: the Lamomba plot. I know you love these kinds of books.

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Speaker 4: I haven't read that one yet. I would like that

616
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Speaker 4: put that on your audible.

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Speaker 3: It's so good.

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Speaker 4: But Patrice Lamumba was a very American leaning national I remember,

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Speaker 4: and you know, he wanted a close relationship with the

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Speaker 4: United States. He even like like sold a bunch of

621
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Speaker 4: mineral rights in Congo to this like fraudster American businessman.

622
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Speaker 4: Like he had to revoke it when it became clearly

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Speaker 4: the guy with the frauds, but he wanted to be

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Speaker 4: like an American ally.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 4: He flew to New York to try to make that case.

627
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Speaker 4: We in the United States looked at him and saw

628
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Speaker 4: a communist like we like because uh he wore glasses basically, uh,

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Speaker 4: and helped with the Belgians to assassinate him and replace

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Speaker 4: him with eventually Mobuto, who led absolutely brutal dictatorship, changed

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Speaker 4: the name of the country for He led that for

632
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Speaker 4: decades and results in this civil war that kills like

633
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Speaker 4: five six million people. Uh, creates all this instability.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: And and it's not long from there to where we

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Speaker 4: are here. And so yeah, this there's major power politics

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Speaker 4: going on here and it's it's something to watch because

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00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 4: the the surface level story of this Utah guy thinking

639
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 4: he's going to take take the country over.

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Speaker 3: We remember those guys.

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Speaker 2: It's like, all of a sudden, we hear oh, they're

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Speaker 2: x DA And I was like, well, you know, they're

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Speaker 2: all from Miami.

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Speaker 3: You're like what, and they're like, oh, they all speak English.

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Speaker 3: Too interesting