WEBVTT - Selects: The Disappearance of Lars Mittank

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, everybody, Chuck here on a Saturday with a little

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<v Speaker 1>mystery true crime episode served up for you. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>disappearance of Lars Metonk and I think it's me Tonk

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<v Speaker 1>And if I'm not mistaken, Josh and I probably pronounced

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<v Speaker 1>it all sorts of ways because that's kind of what

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<v Speaker 1>we do, much to the annoyance of many of you.

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<v Speaker 1>We're very sorry, but I hope you enjoy it. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and

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<v Speaker 2>there's Charles w Chuck Bryan over there, and there's Jerry

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<v Speaker 2>and this is Stuff you Should Know at another True

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<v Speaker 2>Life Mystery edition.

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<v Speaker 1>A True Life Mystery.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Okay, I don't want to say crime because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not one hundred percent sure crime was involved. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>it still falls under the umbrella of true crime, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's a mystery, a disappearance, how about that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? And this one is this can be frustrating to research.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is our caveat in that this situation, as

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<v Speaker 1>you will learn, happened in Bulgaria to a German Man

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<v Speaker 1>and that's part of the reason it's hard to get

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<v Speaker 1>great information. There are plenty of people on the Internet

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<v Speaker 1>telling this story with different details, and it's just sort

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<v Speaker 1>of one of those cases where like we can't get

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<v Speaker 1>our hands on Bulgarian case files from the cops and

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<v Speaker 1>read it ourselves. So we did find a redditor who

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<v Speaker 1>did something last year who claims that he got information

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<v Speaker 1>from Lars's mother, who you're going to meet, Sondra. She's

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna be on the show. You're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>really meet her meet through our words. But you know

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<v Speaker 1>who knows this is someone on Reddit and all his

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<v Speaker 1>sources were in German, so I couldn't double check those either, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, I mean that's that's a caveat that works

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<v Speaker 2>for just about any true crime or disappearance case these days,

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<v Speaker 2>just because there's so many people who you know, take

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<v Speaker 2>it in a story and run it through their own grinder,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, like you said, little details, little facts

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<v Speaker 2>get changed here, and then somebody else picks up the

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<v Speaker 2>same fact without double checking it, and now all of

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<v Speaker 2>a sudden, it's all over the place, and you can't

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<v Speaker 2>tell if that's because it's real or because a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of people just repeated the same incorrect facts. So We're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna definitely do our best. But one of the things

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<v Speaker 2>about this story is there are enough, you know, totally

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<v Speaker 2>verified facts to it that you know, you don't really

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<v Speaker 2>need to get completely lost in the details. People have

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<v Speaker 2>gotten completely lost in the details, but they've still not

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<v Speaker 2>solved the case. That hasn't helped anybody yet, So just

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<v Speaker 2>the facts that are known are kind of strange enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think it's it's always more comfortable for

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<v Speaker 1>us when it's like when there's a book that's been

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<v Speaker 1>written about it, published by like a real publisher.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Beverly Cleary.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not just internet dudes. But you know, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of times these more recent sort of missing person cases,

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<v Speaker 1>it is just internet dude.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, yeah, it is what it is. And

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<v Speaker 2>the dude that we're talking about is named Lars Matonk

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<v Speaker 2>and he's known as the most famous missing person on

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<v Speaker 2>YouTube because.

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<v Speaker 1>I hate that he is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty bad almost. It should have probably just scared

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<v Speaker 2>us off of this episode to begin with. The because

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<v Speaker 2>you remember what was the name of that con, the

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<v Speaker 2>YouTube Convention. We went to that one time.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it was like Internet con, but it wasn't that.

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<v Speaker 2>It was close to that I can't remember. That almost

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<v Speaker 2>put me off of YouTube forever.

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<v Speaker 1>We blocked our memory bank as we did our biggest

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<v Speaker 1>show ever there in front of about twelve people. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was pretty bad, but I'll think of it. But

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, we should thank Dave Meischner, who's a

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<v Speaker 1>listener who turned me onto this quite a while ago.

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<v Speaker 1>So sorry it took so long to get to Dave.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're talking again. We're talking about Lars matonk and

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<v Speaker 2>he vanished from the face of the earth. As his

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<v Speaker 2>mom put it, it was like the earth just swallowed him up.

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<v Speaker 2>Back on July eighth, twenty fourteen, in a town, a

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<v Speaker 2>resort town in Bulgaria on the Black Sea called Golden Sands, which,

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<v Speaker 2>looking at pictures of it, it looks like a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>charming little place. Big con, that's it. It might as

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<v Speaker 2>well have been called Internet Con. Yeah, but did you

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<v Speaker 2>look at pictures of Golden Sands to get a feel

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<v Speaker 2>for the place?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, looks like any lovely seaside hamlet.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And I couldn't get the impression of whether it

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<v Speaker 2>was more like Deston or more like Panama City Beach.

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<v Speaker 1>I just couldn't. It seems like a big party spot,

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<v Speaker 1>if that's what you're wondering.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, But like it also looked like it was fairly

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<v Speaker 2>like clean and well run and not just like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just whatever kind of thing. I don't know, I place

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<v Speaker 2>it between the two from what I can tell, But

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<v Speaker 2>that's where that's where this event took place, where the

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<v Speaker 2>disappearance took place. It's actually Varna, Bulgaria, which is the

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<v Speaker 2>main town that Golden Sands Resort beach town is right

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<v Speaker 2>outside of.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So as far as Lars, the young man who

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<v Speaker 1>would go missing, he was born in February nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 1>six in northern Germany. He was an only child. He

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<v Speaker 1>was a handsome kid, very popular. He was athletic, he

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<v Speaker 1>was smart. He did well in school. After he ended up.

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<v Speaker 1>After he graduated, he ended up getting a job at

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<v Speaker 1>the GDFSUS power plant about one hundred miles from where

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<v Speaker 1>he grew up, fixing small electrical machines. He was an

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<v Speaker 1>engineer and it seemed like he had a really good

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<v Speaker 1>life and he enjoyed his job. He loved and this

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<v Speaker 1>will figure in so put a pin in this. His

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<v Speaker 1>one big love was his football club, his soccer team

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<v Speaker 1>that he followed, which is in you know, this is

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<v Speaker 1>not how they would pronounce it, but the Verder Bremen

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<v Speaker 1>football club.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really, how would they pronounce it?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's always just a little more German, let's see,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like the guy the Redditor, he narrates his

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<v Speaker 1>own documentary and he said it in a way that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not even going to attempt.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, all right, fine, So that whole football club

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<v Speaker 2>thing actually plays a role in this because it may

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<v Speaker 2>be at the center of his disappearance. We're not one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred percent sure, but to kind of give you an

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<v Speaker 2>idea of what kind of guy Lars Metank was. Metank was.

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<v Speaker 2>His dad had a stroke a couple of years before

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<v Speaker 2>he disappeared, and his mom had to take care of

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<v Speaker 2>his dad full time. Lars was an only child, and

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<v Speaker 2>he would come home I guess about one hundred miles

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<v Speaker 2>from where he lived and worked almost every weekend to

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<v Speaker 2>help take care of his dad, which is not every

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<v Speaker 2>guy in their late twenties would do that, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And apparently he was dedicated enough that his mom had

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of encourage him to go along with five

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<v Speaker 2>other friends of his two week long vacation at Golden

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<v Speaker 2>Sands in Bulgaria in July, the end of June beginning

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<v Speaker 2>of July. He wasn't going to go, and his mom said, no,

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<v Speaker 2>you should should totally go. You deserve a week off

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<v Speaker 2>like this, So he went.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So it's a big party scene. Like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>it is well known for young people from all over

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<v Speaker 1>Europe going to take advantage of the resort deals, all

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<v Speaker 1>inclusive places, the cheap booze, plenty of drugs to be had.

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<v Speaker 1>Lars was the life of the party. According to his friends,

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<v Speaker 1>I saw her anywhere from three to five friends. I

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<v Speaker 1>know for sure two guys, and I think these were

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<v Speaker 1>his high school mates who were most prominent, named Tim

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<v Speaker 1>Schultz and Paul Roman. But they were hanging out, going

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<v Speaker 1>to the beach playing soccer. The one weird thing that

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<v Speaker 1>I think people may have made too much about online

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<v Speaker 1>as far as internet sleuthing goes, is his friends remarked

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<v Speaker 1>that he didn't have much of an appetite on the trip,

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<v Speaker 1>was eating like soup and salad and fruit, whereas they were,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, as an all inclusive resort, so they were

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<v Speaker 1>just like feasting on everything. And I think they thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was odd that he wasn't, but I don't make

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<v Speaker 1>a whole lot about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, neither did that one reditor or slash documentary and

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<v Speaker 2>who said that he apparently had kind of gotten had

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<v Speaker 2>been on a health kick, so he was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>watching what he ate a little more. Yeah, some people

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<v Speaker 2>have been like, there's your there's your answer right there

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<v Speaker 2>that explains it at all. Yeah, basically, So, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>the week went by pretty uneventfully. I think one of

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<v Speaker 2>his friends later said on TV or in an interview

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<v Speaker 2>that it went by really quick. On one of the

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's second to last day, they went to

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<v Speaker 2>watch a World Cup match. The World Cup in Brazil

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<v Speaker 2>was going on at the time, and you may not

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<v Speaker 2>know this about Europe, but they're really crazy about soccer,

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<v Speaker 2>so much so that they have their own word for

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<v Speaker 2>it football, which is goofy. But that's the way it goes.

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<v Speaker 2>And so they went to this bar rock bar or Okbaar,

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<v Speaker 2>which sounds like a cool place, and they watched the match,

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<v Speaker 2>i think Costa Rica and the Netherlands. And while they

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<v Speaker 2>were there, there were a bunch of soccer fans. They're

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<v Speaker 2>watching this from all different clubs and countries, and there

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<v Speaker 2>were some kids I guess who were recent high school

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<v Speaker 2>graduates and were fans of FC Byron, which is the

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<v Speaker 2>rival to Verder Bremen, And I guess they kind of

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<v Speaker 2>got into it verbally only with Lars and his friends.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I also saw places that there was actual

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<v Speaker 1>physical confrontation. Oh yeah, you don't know for sure, but

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<v Speaker 1>we do know that it wasn't the biggest deal and

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't the big fight that happened. Later on, after

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<v Speaker 1>this night out, the guys apparently go to this McDonald's

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<v Speaker 1>which is kind of an open air order at the

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<v Speaker 1>open air window kind of thing, and Lars didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to eat because I guess he was on that health kick,

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<v Speaker 1>and he sort of just stood nearby while his two

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<v Speaker 1>buddies were ordering. They got their food, they turned around,

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't there. They don't see him for the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of the night. But like I said, it's sort of like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, spring break party central. So if one of

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<v Speaker 1>your friend disappears for the night and you're a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of dudes, you might just think like, all right, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe he ended up meeting somebody, or maybe

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<v Speaker 1>he just went out and partied some more. But it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't send up these huge alarms that he didn't come

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<v Speaker 1>back that night.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So when he did show up again, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if it was later that night or the next morning,

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<v Speaker 2>he said that he had been beaten up, actually jumped

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<v Speaker 2>by three or four Bulgarian guys, and that he had

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<v Speaker 2>gone to duck when one of them threw a punch

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<v Speaker 2>and had actually taken a punch in his ear, which

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<v Speaker 2>is a terrible place to get punched. And he said

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<v Speaker 2>that he was quite convinced that it was those kids,

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<v Speaker 2>those high school kids who were fans of Byron FC

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<v Speaker 2>Byron that they'd gotten into it with at the bar

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<v Speaker 2>earlier that night, because apparently they had said, this is

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<v Speaker 2>just I only saw this in one place that they

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<v Speaker 2>had said that they had shouted that it's easy to

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<v Speaker 2>get to pay somebody to beat other people up in Bulgaria.

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<v Speaker 2>And so this happened close enough and close enough proximity

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<v Speaker 2>to that other altercation that he just assumed that's why

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<v Speaker 2>those guys jumped him. I mean, there's apparently there was

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<v Speaker 2>no other explanation for it. So that was his story.

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<v Speaker 2>He showed up with an injured ear in the story

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<v Speaker 2>that he had been jumped by some local Bulgarians.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and his friends apparently didn't necessarily believe that story

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<v Speaker 1>because he wasn't you know, he didn't have black eyes

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<v Speaker 1>or a bloody nose or anything. He looked fine and

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<v Speaker 1>he was acting fine, so they weren't too sure about

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<v Speaker 1>that story. Again, with the internet, slose, I've seen people

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<v Speaker 1>saying that like he totally made up the story about

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<v Speaker 1>the fight. But that is all just people speculating online.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, if you ever want to see people just

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<v Speaker 2>take a piece of information and then spin it to

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<v Speaker 2>the n degree the most extreme possible interpretation of it,

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<v Speaker 2>that you could do worse than hang out on the internet.

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<v Speaker 1>So he goes to a doctor, he gets the diagnosis

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<v Speaker 1>of a ruptured ear drum. Apparently went and saw a

0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:49.160
<v Speaker 1>specialist at a hospital who confirmed it, said you should

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<v Speaker 1>get surgery, and Lars is like, great, but I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>getting that here. I'm going to go back come to

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<v Speaker 1>Germany if I'm going to get surgery.

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<v Speaker 2>Ye.

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<v Speaker 1>And then this is sort of one of the keys

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<v Speaker 1>is he was given biotic name cepheroxyme and he was

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<v Speaker 1>given the strongest possible dosage, which was about I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was five hundred milligrams.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and that's just a general I think a cephalexin

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<v Speaker 2>based antibiotic that doesn't really usually have many side effects,

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<v Speaker 2>and if it does have side effects, it's typically something

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<v Speaker 2>like an upset stomach. I saw that there's a condition

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<v Speaker 2>where it turns huge patches of your skin very dark

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<v Speaker 2>all over the place, almost like your highlights have been shaded.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really interesting to look at. But that has nothing

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<v Speaker 2>to do with any other anything that Lars exhibited, any

0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:48.640
<v Speaker 2>behavior exhibited. It's just antibiotics. I mean, if you've ever

0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:51.960
<v Speaker 2>taken antibiotics, you know that there's not really usually many

0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:52.920
<v Speaker 2>side effects to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So Lars catches well, again, different information. I saw

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<v Speaker 1>that his friends were going to stay with him. He

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<v Speaker 1>insisted they leave. So his friends eventually do catch that

0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:12.880
<v Speaker 1>original flight out and Lars stays behind, you know, because

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<v Speaker 1>of his ear. He was a little concerned about obviously,

0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:20.040
<v Speaker 1>with changes in the atmosphere and on pressurization on a plane.

0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:22.640
<v Speaker 1>He didn't think it was a good idea. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure if that original doctor told him that might

0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:26.960
<v Speaker 1>have been a problem, but he knew it was going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>So a little bit about that original doctor. I saw

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<v Speaker 2>that from the redditor who said that he spoke to

0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:37.680
<v Speaker 2>the guys to his mother, that his mother said that

0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:40.920
<v Speaker 2>that Lars said that the doctor didn't really treat him.

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<v Speaker 2>The first one did and said you should go to

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<v Speaker 2>a specialist. But then when he went to the specialist,

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<v Speaker 2>a specialist said like wouldn't speak to him in English,

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<v Speaker 2>and Lars felt he had mocked him, and that apparently

0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:54.920
<v Speaker 2>Sondra thought that that was really significant because that was

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<v Speaker 2>not a word that Lars typically used. But he still

0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:01.760
<v Speaker 2>managed to get the antibiotic from doctor. The thing about

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<v Speaker 2>the perforated or ruptured ear drum is I was looking

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<v Speaker 2>on the internet, it turns out, and the National Health

0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:12.360
<v Speaker 2>Service says that if you have a perforated ear drum,

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<v Speaker 2>it would probably actually make flying more comfortable, not more dangerous.

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<v Speaker 2>So I can understand Lars being worried about that, not

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<v Speaker 2>being a trained medical professional, but if he's encountering at

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<v Speaker 2>least three other medical professionals in Bulgaria, you would think

0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:31.720
<v Speaker 2>one of them would be like, actually, no, you're actually

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<v Speaker 2>better off flying like this, or would at the very

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<v Speaker 2>least be like, you don't have to worry about that

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<v Speaker 2>at all. That's not a thing interesting yeah, so too.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, well, let's take a break and we will

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<v Speaker 1>come back and talk about what happened after his friends

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<v Speaker 1>left Lars alone in Bulgaria right after this, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>so Lars's buddies go back home to Germany. Lars is

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<v Speaker 1>left there by himself, which is pretty key as far

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<v Speaker 1>as understanding that they weren't worried about him. He wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>behaving weird. He seemed fine. He seemed like Lars. Otherwise

0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:37.040
<v Speaker 1>one of them probably would have raised some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>alarm bells and been like, hey, maybe we should stay here,

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<v Speaker 1>but they said he seemed to relaxed, he was in a

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<v Speaker 1>good mood, and so they took off. Being summer, Lars

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<v Speaker 1>had a hard time getting a hotel room because everything

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<v Speaker 1>was booked up and he was staying on extra, so

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<v Speaker 1>he ends up having to check into the Hotel Color

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<v Speaker 1>of Varna, which was a really cdy place that this

0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:05.159
<v Speaker 1>cab driver takes him to, apparently a lot of drug dealers,

0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:07.119
<v Speaker 1>a lot of sex workers, but that was kind of

0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:10.880
<v Speaker 1>the only place available, And we don't know a lot

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<v Speaker 1>about what happened that night other than these phone calls

0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:16.320
<v Speaker 1>and texts that he exchanges with his mom.

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<v Speaker 2>So one thing though about the hotel color I looked

0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:21.440
<v Speaker 2>at it. Trip Advisor gives it a four out of

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<v Speaker 2>five and booking dot Com has it at seven point

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<v Speaker 2>eight out of ten. And it is definitely cheap. I

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<v Speaker 2>think rooms are like twenty five American dollars a night,

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<v Speaker 2>which is suspiciously cheap. And that yeah, there is like

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<v Speaker 2>probably some criminal activity there, but that it's not like

0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:41.480
<v Speaker 2>it's not like a trap house hotel or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was the fact that it was his only

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<v Speaker 2>option I think kind of tells you quite a bit

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<v Speaker 2>too about it. Sure, So he goes to this hotel

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<v Speaker 2>he checks in. Apparently the person behind the counter made

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<v Speaker 2>a copy, a photo copy of his credit card, and

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<v Speaker 2>according to his mother, that did not sit very well

0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:04.120
<v Speaker 2>with Lar. And at eleven PM, after he's checked into

0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:07.480
<v Speaker 2>the hotel, he calls his mom, I think it's the

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<v Speaker 2>first phone first of many phone calls that evening, and

0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:13.840
<v Speaker 2>he tells her that he wants her to block his

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<v Speaker 2>credit card because he's kind of sketched out by this

0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:20.320
<v Speaker 2>hotelier who has made a photo copy of his card.

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<v Speaker 2>He's worried that they're going to use it for fraud

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<v Speaker 2>and he can just unfreeze it when he gets back.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the first phone call he makes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there ends up being another call where he has

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<v Speaker 1>left the hotel. He said that he was hiding on

0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:36.920
<v Speaker 1>a hill, and I think even said that he was

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<v Speaker 1>at risk of falling, So it must have been sort

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<v Speaker 1>of some sort of a really steep type of situation,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess. But he said that there were four men

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<v Speaker 1>after him that were trying to kill him, or that

0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:51.720
<v Speaker 1>intended to kill him at least, And he said, don't

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<v Speaker 1>call me back because my phone. I don't want my

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<v Speaker 1>phone to ring. I'm not sure I knew he didn't

0:18:57.480 --> 0:18:59.440
<v Speaker 1>have his smartphone with him. He left that at home yea,

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<v Speaker 1>and brought sort of a cheaper phone, So I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if it didn't have a way to turn the

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<v Speaker 1>ringer off or not, or if he was just not

0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:07.640
<v Speaker 1>thinking clearly, but he said not to call him back.

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<v Speaker 1>He eventually texts his mom what is Sarah? Fom five hundred,

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<v Speaker 1>which was that antibiotic which you might think means like

0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:20.080
<v Speaker 1>he's feeling weird and like, what is this?

0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:24.320
<v Speaker 2>I've taken that to me says that if he was

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<v Speaker 2>behaving weirdly or experiencing some different behavior that he guessed

0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:32.960
<v Speaker 2>that that's what it was. That's the only explanation for that,

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<v Speaker 2>because they found that he had taken three of them,

0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:40.240
<v Speaker 2>so he knew that he had that in his system,

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<v Speaker 2>which I guess if he was acting weird, maybe that's

0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:45.800
<v Speaker 2>what he thought it was. That's what sticks out to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I think it was either that night or

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<v Speaker 1>the following morning. When he asks, I think it was

0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:55.560
<v Speaker 1>the following morning. You know, she had booked a flight

0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:59.239
<v Speaker 1>home for him. He doesn't get back in touch with her,

0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:01.760
<v Speaker 1>which really worked. He's her. But the next morning he

0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:04.480
<v Speaker 1>does get back in touch. This is two days after

0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:07.440
<v Speaker 1>this bar fight. She's relieved. He says he's going to

0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:11.479
<v Speaker 1>go to the airport and can he get five hundred

0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:15.880
<v Speaker 1>euros wired, you know, money grammed or whatever?

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<v Speaker 2>Western you know what?

0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:19.000
<v Speaker 1>Did they have Western Union over there?

0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:21.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Supposedly there's a real detail in there and that

0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:23.119
<v Speaker 2>it was Western Union.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, what's the what makes Western Union important?

0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:29.119
<v Speaker 2>So his mother had never heard of Western Union and

0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:32.200
<v Speaker 2>Lars hadn't either, But apparently he talked to another German

0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:34.560
<v Speaker 2>tourist at the airport who had told him to use it,

0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:37.680
<v Speaker 2>and he was able to describe to his mom how

0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:40.560
<v Speaker 2>to use Western Union in a way that she understood

0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:43.280
<v Speaker 2>how to use Western Union after he explained it, which

0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:46.160
<v Speaker 2>said to his mom that he had his wits about him.

0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:49.800
<v Speaker 2>He wasn't out of his mind, he wasn't wasted on

0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:52.840
<v Speaker 2>drugs or anything like that. He was very much with

0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:54.520
<v Speaker 2>it mentally.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. So he and I saw two different things here.

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<v Speaker 1>Either his mom urged him to go to the airport

0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:04.600
<v Speaker 1>doctor just to make sure he's good to fly, or

0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:07.920
<v Speaker 1>there was some requirement that he do so. But either way,

0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:11.760
<v Speaker 1>he goes to the airport medical center. And this is

0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:17.560
<v Speaker 1>where things get a little confusing, because it's really all

0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:19.520
<v Speaker 1>over the place, whether or not he goes in right

0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:24.160
<v Speaker 1>away or whether he goes in later. But he apparently

0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:26.920
<v Speaker 1>calls his mom tells her, hey, they said I shouldn't

0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:29.920
<v Speaker 1>fly or drive. But he hadn't even gone to see

0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:32.760
<v Speaker 1>the doctor at that point. And then once he does

0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:34.680
<v Speaker 1>see the doctor, the doctor ends up giving a few

0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:37.720
<v Speaker 1>different versions of what happened while he was in there,

0:21:37.760 --> 0:21:40.600
<v Speaker 1>which is either, you know, some people think that looks

0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:43.040
<v Speaker 1>really shady. I think it could have just been like

0:21:43.200 --> 0:21:45.879
<v Speaker 1>at the time, this doctor, you know, you're not making

0:21:45.920 --> 0:21:49.919
<v Speaker 1>some really big mental notes about the random patient that

0:21:49.960 --> 0:21:50.560
<v Speaker 1>comes in.

0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:53.199
<v Speaker 2>Like, this guy's going to be an international mystery in

0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:53.640
<v Speaker 2>an hour.

0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:56.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So you know, it could have been innocent that

0:21:56.800 --> 0:21:58.760
<v Speaker 1>his story changed, or it could be shady.

0:21:59.240 --> 0:22:02.800
<v Speaker 2>It could be so so from what I saw, that

0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:07.320
<v Speaker 2>the doctor changes story three times, and that an airline

0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:11.320
<v Speaker 2>employee came in, and then later it was an airport

0:22:11.400 --> 0:22:14.040
<v Speaker 2>employee came in, which I think kind of across the internet,

0:22:14.119 --> 0:22:17.600
<v Speaker 2>became a construction worker because that the airport had recently

0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:21.840
<v Speaker 2>undergone or was undergoing renovations. And then I guess the

0:22:21.880 --> 0:22:24.760
<v Speaker 2>third story was that the doctor said that no one

0:22:24.800 --> 0:22:27.879
<v Speaker 2>had come in, and that Lars had excused himself to

0:22:27.920 --> 0:22:30.320
<v Speaker 2>go to the toilet and did not come back. The

0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:32.879
<v Speaker 2>doctor was expecting to come back. He just never came back.

0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:36.800
<v Speaker 2>What the doctor didn't know if that was in fact

0:22:36.800 --> 0:22:39.760
<v Speaker 2>what happened was that Lars wasn't coming back because he

0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:43.639
<v Speaker 2>was sprinting through the airport and running out of the

0:22:43.680 --> 0:22:46.760
<v Speaker 2>airport and into the surrounding countryside.

0:22:46.960 --> 0:22:49.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And then the version where someone does come in.

0:22:50.400 --> 0:22:53.760
<v Speaker 1>What that means is is that literally a human being,

0:22:53.920 --> 0:22:58.600
<v Speaker 1>another person walks into the examination room and apparently really

0:22:58.840 --> 0:23:02.959
<v Speaker 1>freaked out. If that version is correct, really freaked out Lars,

0:23:03.400 --> 0:23:06.920
<v Speaker 1>who was already obviously feeling a little bit paranoid sure,

0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:08.919
<v Speaker 1>and was like, what is this person doing in here?

0:23:09.400 --> 0:23:11.480
<v Speaker 1>In the one version of the story, the doctor tries

0:23:11.520 --> 0:23:15.159
<v Speaker 1>to explain, Hey, it's just a construction guy, or no,

0:23:15.320 --> 0:23:18.440
<v Speaker 1>this is an airline employee that's going to actually walk

0:23:18.480 --> 0:23:22.040
<v Speaker 1>you to the plane. It's a little frustrating to not

0:23:22.080 --> 0:23:24.760
<v Speaker 1>know the exact truth, but no matter what happens, we

0:23:24.840 --> 0:23:27.600
<v Speaker 1>do know that he sprinted from the airport because that

0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:32.160
<v Speaker 1>part is actually on YouTube and on CCTV, and that's

0:23:32.200 --> 0:23:35.679
<v Speaker 1>why he's the most famous disappeared person on YouTube, because

0:23:36.600 --> 0:23:41.520
<v Speaker 1>it's very compelling to watch this young kid drop all

0:23:41.520 --> 0:23:43.800
<v Speaker 1>and you don't see him drop his stuff, but clearly

0:23:43.800 --> 0:23:46.560
<v Speaker 1>he walks in with a backpack and a duffel bag

0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:49.879
<v Speaker 1>and he sprints with nothing in his hands at like

0:23:50.160 --> 0:23:54.240
<v Speaker 1>full twenty one year old athletic gallop out of there,

0:23:54.600 --> 0:23:55.880
<v Speaker 1>as if someone is chasing him.

0:23:55.960 --> 0:23:58.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah so, but there's a couple of weird things about it.

0:23:58.880 --> 0:24:01.239
<v Speaker 2>If you watch the video, and again you can go

0:24:01.280 --> 0:24:03.440
<v Speaker 2>anywhere on the internet and see this. I think it's

0:24:03.480 --> 0:24:07.840
<v Speaker 2>a good thirty seconds of it cut together, that he

0:24:08.720 --> 0:24:10.400
<v Speaker 2>is running in the airport, and then when he gets

0:24:10.440 --> 0:24:13.080
<v Speaker 2>outside he kind of like walks and then jogs a

0:24:13.080 --> 0:24:15.840
<v Speaker 2>little bit and runs some more. But then I saw

0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:18.199
<v Speaker 2>somebody on I think I was read it too on

0:24:18.240 --> 0:24:23.200
<v Speaker 2>a different post. Their Unresolved Mysteries group is just really good.

0:24:24.080 --> 0:24:26.440
<v Speaker 2>But somebody pointed out that if you watch him, he's

0:24:26.480 --> 0:24:29.679
<v Speaker 2>not really like looking behind him. He's not looking to

0:24:29.680 --> 0:24:33.120
<v Speaker 2>see somebody coming after him, And it kind of puts

0:24:33.160 --> 0:24:36.200
<v Speaker 2>a different spin on things because you do think, well,

0:24:36.240 --> 0:24:38.720
<v Speaker 2>surely he's running for his life, but if you're running

0:24:38.720 --> 0:24:41.199
<v Speaker 2>for your life, it does seem like you would be

0:24:41.240 --> 0:24:44.280
<v Speaker 2>a lot more concerned about who was coming after you

0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:46.639
<v Speaker 2>and would probably look behind you a little more. He

0:24:46.680 --> 0:24:50.520
<v Speaker 2>doesn't quite do that. Actually, it's a very strange run,

0:24:50.880 --> 0:24:53.720
<v Speaker 2>but it's also not like the run of a person

0:24:53.760 --> 0:24:57.640
<v Speaker 2>who's out of their mind. That was what stood out

0:24:57.680 --> 0:24:59.480
<v Speaker 2>to me, is that he doesn't seem to at all

0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:00.560
<v Speaker 2>be out of his mind.

0:25:01.760 --> 0:25:05.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and another couple of details here that was tough

0:25:05.920 --> 0:25:09.600
<v Speaker 1>to verify. Supposedly, in the doctor's office he said, I

0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:11.440
<v Speaker 1>don't want to die here. I have to get out

0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:15.280
<v Speaker 1>of here. Don't know if that's true or not, but

0:25:15.640 --> 0:25:20.440
<v Speaker 1>supposedly that's what he said, and then the mom Sondra

0:25:21.080 --> 0:25:25.840
<v Speaker 1>evidently saw. She went over there to do her own investigating,

0:25:26.200 --> 0:25:30.160
<v Speaker 1>obviously right after it happened, and supposedly saw footage directly

0:25:30.200 --> 0:25:33.800
<v Speaker 1>from the airport that had a lot of different stuff

0:25:33.880 --> 0:25:36.679
<v Speaker 1>that was not included in the footage that went to

0:25:36.720 --> 0:25:39.480
<v Speaker 1>the police, And she said in the footage that she

0:25:39.600 --> 0:25:43.440
<v Speaker 1>saw was that when he leaves the airport, he stands

0:25:43.480 --> 0:25:46.159
<v Speaker 1>there like checks his pocket as if he's checking to

0:25:46.200 --> 0:25:48.680
<v Speaker 1>make sure he has his passport and his wallet and stuff,

0:25:49.119 --> 0:25:51.960
<v Speaker 1>and kind of looks around and orients himself for a minute,

0:25:52.119 --> 0:25:54.160
<v Speaker 1>like should I go this way? Should I go that way?

0:25:55.119 --> 0:25:57.399
<v Speaker 1>If you look at other places on the internet and

0:25:57.400 --> 0:25:59.439
<v Speaker 1>you just look at that footage, it looks like he

0:25:59.560 --> 0:26:02.680
<v Speaker 1>just bolts from the airport and then continues to either

0:26:02.760 --> 0:26:06.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of walk or jog and never stops, never checks

0:26:06.000 --> 0:26:08.440
<v Speaker 1>his pockets, never orients himself at all.

0:26:09.080 --> 0:26:12.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So he actually walks within twenty feet of a

0:26:12.960 --> 0:26:15.399
<v Speaker 2>couple of cops who are standing talking to on another

0:26:15.440 --> 0:26:19.560
<v Speaker 2>in the parking lot. He walks past them, he goes

0:26:19.560 --> 0:26:23.440
<v Speaker 2>behind a sampile, and then eventually goes over I think

0:26:23.640 --> 0:26:26.080
<v Speaker 2>is it actually on camera him going over the fence

0:26:26.160 --> 0:26:28.199
<v Speaker 2>or is it just presumed that he went over the fence.

0:26:28.600 --> 0:26:30.280
<v Speaker 1>No, it's on camera, but it's one of those things

0:26:30.280 --> 0:26:32.639
<v Speaker 1>where it's like they had to circle and highlight him

0:26:32.640 --> 0:26:35.440
<v Speaker 1>because he's so far in the distance. But he goes

0:26:35.480 --> 0:26:40.040
<v Speaker 1>over a barbed wire fence into a full bloom sunflower field, yeah,

0:26:40.040 --> 0:26:43.720
<v Speaker 1>which are very very tall and literally disappears, never to

0:26:43.760 --> 0:26:44.680
<v Speaker 1>be seen again now.

0:26:44.840 --> 0:26:47.520
<v Speaker 2>And on the other side of that sunflower field, very

0:26:47.560 --> 0:26:52.000
<v Speaker 2>importantly is the A two highway, so who knows what happened.

0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:54.520
<v Speaker 2>And then beyond that there's a lot of woods. I

0:26:54.520 --> 0:26:57.480
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't call it like the most densely forested place on earth,

0:26:57.480 --> 0:27:00.359
<v Speaker 2>but there's a pretty decent sized woods around there. There's

0:27:00.359 --> 0:27:02.920
<v Speaker 2>also a lot of farm fields too that's exposed and

0:27:03.000 --> 0:27:05.639
<v Speaker 2>out in the open. But there's a highway on the

0:27:05.680 --> 0:27:08.840
<v Speaker 2>other side of it, and that's, to me, is extremely important.

0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:12.280
<v Speaker 1>All right, should we take another break? Yes, all right,

0:27:12.320 --> 0:27:13.880
<v Speaker 1>we're going to take another break and bring it home

0:27:13.880 --> 0:27:16.359
<v Speaker 1>with what happened from there and then some of the

0:27:16.359 --> 0:27:18.600
<v Speaker 1>theories about what happened to Lars Matonk.

0:27:48.160 --> 0:27:52.520
<v Speaker 2>So Chuck. Just to recap Lars Motonk has fled is

0:27:52.560 --> 0:27:55.080
<v Speaker 2>a really good way to put it. The airport, leaving

0:27:55.160 --> 0:27:58.520
<v Speaker 2>behind in the doctor's office all of his stuff, including

0:27:58.560 --> 0:28:00.639
<v Speaker 2>his wallet, phone in passport.

0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:02.320
<v Speaker 1>Now is that verified.

0:28:02.800 --> 0:28:05.760
<v Speaker 2>I saw that basically everywhere, including.

0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:09.760
<v Speaker 1>Except for his speculating that she saw him checking as.

0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:12.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I didn't. I thought that was very confusing. But

0:28:12.080 --> 0:28:13.960
<v Speaker 2>I saw it in the sun which I realized is

0:28:13.960 --> 0:28:17.040
<v Speaker 2>not the most credible source, but sadly it is one

0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:19.200
<v Speaker 2>of the most credible sources when it comes to researching

0:28:19.240 --> 0:28:24.520
<v Speaker 2>this case. I saw it on a Yale article. It's

0:28:24.560 --> 0:28:29.840
<v Speaker 2>it's basically everywhere that his wallet, passport, and phone were

0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:34.280
<v Speaker 2>left behind. But I mean, that's a really good point,

0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:38.400
<v Speaker 2>like we're totally we're lost in the sunflower field. As

0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:40.560
<v Speaker 2>far as that stuff concerns, we we don't know. We

0:28:40.680 --> 0:28:44.000
<v Speaker 2>got to get our hands on the police report, and

0:28:44.040 --> 0:28:48.120
<v Speaker 2>even that I read when when Lars's mom hired a

0:28:48.120 --> 0:28:55.080
<v Speaker 2>Bulgarian lawyer as an investigator, they got weird conflicting information

0:28:55.160 --> 0:28:58.240
<v Speaker 2>about you know, what was found with him or not,

0:28:58.720 --> 0:29:00.920
<v Speaker 2>or what was what was left behind him or not,

0:29:01.040 --> 0:29:03.520
<v Speaker 2>So even his mom probably couldn't say for certain what

0:29:03.720 --> 0:29:04.080
<v Speaker 2>was there.

0:29:05.000 --> 0:29:07.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I get the picture that it was a frustrating

0:29:07.480 --> 0:29:12.640
<v Speaker 1>experience working with the Bulgarian police it seems like Germany

0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:16.000
<v Speaker 1>got involved with Inner Pole, but they had some frustrations

0:29:16.040 --> 0:29:21.360
<v Speaker 1>as well. There's there's some speculation that they intentionally kind

0:29:21.360 --> 0:29:24.760
<v Speaker 1>of kept the story on the download because they didn't

0:29:24.760 --> 0:29:25.920
<v Speaker 1>want it to affect tourism.

0:29:26.000 --> 0:29:26.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I could see that.

0:29:27.840 --> 0:29:31.720
<v Speaker 1>Other people say that. Well maybe not that, but it

0:29:31.960 --> 0:29:36.640
<v Speaker 1>just wasn't widely known it was some German kid. It

0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:40.480
<v Speaker 1>wasn't all over the newspapers, and so people, you know,

0:29:40.680 --> 0:29:42.560
<v Speaker 1>they didn't necessarily even know what was going on if

0:29:42.600 --> 0:29:45.400
<v Speaker 1>they saw this flyer, or they maybe not. Maybe they

0:29:45.440 --> 0:29:47.000
<v Speaker 1>didn't even run it on the evening news.

0:29:47.240 --> 0:29:50.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so like if it was three weeks, four

0:29:50.320 --> 0:29:54.520
<v Speaker 2>weeks after the disappearance, that like news started to really spread,

0:29:54.600 --> 0:29:57.240
<v Speaker 2>or maybe news never really spread. If you were a

0:29:57.320 --> 0:29:59.680
<v Speaker 2>driver and you gave a kid a ride on the

0:29:59.720 --> 0:30:03.440
<v Speaker 2>eighth two highway outside of the airport, you might not

0:30:03.560 --> 0:30:06.400
<v Speaker 2>have ever put two and two together. Or if you

0:30:06.480 --> 0:30:08.920
<v Speaker 2>saw some kid running through a field into the woods,

0:30:09.400 --> 0:30:12.600
<v Speaker 2>you might not have ever heard of Lars Metonk either.

0:30:12.840 --> 0:30:17.120
<v Speaker 2>So it's possible there's people out there with information who

0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:22.840
<v Speaker 2>just don't know to cough it up, although that's probably

0:30:22.960 --> 0:30:26.800
<v Speaker 2>exceedingly unlikely these days because of the exposure that this

0:30:26.880 --> 0:30:27.719
<v Speaker 2>story's gotten.

0:30:28.840 --> 0:30:31.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, one interesting tidbit is that they did find that

0:30:31.640 --> 0:30:37.200
<v Speaker 1>those five hundred euros were untouched in his account, and

0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:40.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't think we mentioned. I think some people speculate

0:30:40.080 --> 0:30:42.920
<v Speaker 1>the fact that it was five hundred euros on the

0:30:42.960 --> 0:30:45.960
<v Speaker 1>nose and that it was Western Union and he had

0:30:45.960 --> 0:30:49.800
<v Speaker 1>never used it meant that he was being told by

0:30:49.840 --> 0:30:54.040
<v Speaker 1>somebody to get five hundred euros wired via this way.

0:30:55.040 --> 0:30:56.880
<v Speaker 1>But again that's just internet speculation.

0:30:57.040 --> 0:30:58.959
<v Speaker 2>Well, I also saw that it was his mom's decision.

0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:01.320
<v Speaker 2>He just asked her to wire him some money, some

0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:04.120
<v Speaker 2>money she had decided that that was according to that

0:31:04.200 --> 0:31:08.320
<v Speaker 2>documentarian who knows, we really need to get Sondra matonk

0:31:08.440 --> 0:31:09.320
<v Speaker 2>On here, dude.

0:31:11.600 --> 0:31:14.440
<v Speaker 1>One of the cool things that happened through this through

0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:18.200
<v Speaker 1>his mother investigating this is various leads came in over

0:31:18.240 --> 0:31:21.320
<v Speaker 1>the years, like hey, there's this guy that speaks German,

0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:23.760
<v Speaker 1>he could be Lars. She would go check it out.

0:31:23.800 --> 0:31:27.440
<v Speaker 1>There's this other guy. Over the years, she has ended

0:31:27.560 --> 0:31:33.760
<v Speaker 1>up finding fifteen German expatriates in Bulgaria. Some were atticts,

0:31:33.800 --> 0:31:37.520
<v Speaker 1>some were mentally ill, some were actually reunited with her family,

0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:41.080
<v Speaker 1>some didn't want to be reunited. But she found all

0:31:41.120 --> 0:31:44.240
<v Speaker 1>these people, so like every time that happened, it gave

0:31:44.240 --> 0:31:46.719
<v Speaker 1>her hope that even though the chances, you know, with

0:31:47.040 --> 0:31:49.800
<v Speaker 1>a case like this is if you don't find this

0:31:49.880 --> 0:31:52.280
<v Speaker 1>person within the first a few days or the first week,

0:31:52.320 --> 0:31:54.959
<v Speaker 1>it's like very slim to no chance, all of these

0:31:55.000 --> 0:31:56.920
<v Speaker 1>things gave her hope that she could if she just

0:31:57.040 --> 0:31:59.560
<v Speaker 1>kept at it, that she might eventually find her son.

0:32:00.040 --> 0:32:02.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was really surprised to see that there was

0:32:02.400 --> 0:32:06.280
<v Speaker 2>a statin here that said that something like only three

0:32:06.400 --> 0:32:10.440
<v Speaker 2>percent of missing persons cases aren't resolved within the first

0:32:10.520 --> 0:32:16.000
<v Speaker 2>year in Germany, not even in Germany, but among German citizens.

0:32:16.440 --> 0:32:16.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:32:16.800 --> 0:32:20.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I thought it would be a lot higher than that,

0:32:20.440 --> 0:32:25.360
<v Speaker 2>but that's actually not bad as far as I can tell. So, yeah,

0:32:25.360 --> 0:32:28.120
<v Speaker 2>one of those people, by the way, who was found

0:32:28.120 --> 0:32:30.280
<v Speaker 2>that was thought to be there's like a whole thing

0:32:30.320 --> 0:32:34.360
<v Speaker 2>where people are following this case, and anytime something ends

0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:37.680
<v Speaker 2>up on the internet, it ends up being passed along

0:32:37.760 --> 0:32:42.640
<v Speaker 2>to Sondra Matonk, who will basically post on her Instagram like, hey,

0:32:43.080 --> 0:32:45.800
<v Speaker 2>this was sent from this town. Can somebody go see

0:32:45.840 --> 0:32:48.040
<v Speaker 2>if they can find this homeless guy and get me

0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:49.880
<v Speaker 2>more pictures of them? So we can figure out if

0:32:49.880 --> 0:32:53.200
<v Speaker 2>it's Lars. Like she does this kind of frequently. There

0:32:53.280 --> 0:32:55.880
<v Speaker 2>was one where a guy turned up in Brazil who

0:32:55.920 --> 0:32:59.400
<v Speaker 2>looks a lot like Lars, but disheveled with the beard

0:32:59.440 --> 0:33:02.000
<v Speaker 2>and his haircut kind of crazy. Yeah, And that turned

0:33:02.000 --> 0:33:04.760
<v Speaker 2>out to be a different man who was missing from

0:33:04.800 --> 0:33:08.800
<v Speaker 2>British Columbia named Anton Pilpa, who was reunited with his

0:33:08.840 --> 0:33:12.240
<v Speaker 2>family after five years. And they think that heke hitch

0:33:12.320 --> 0:33:16.560
<v Speaker 2>hiked and walked from British Columbia down to Brazil and

0:33:16.600 --> 0:33:21.480
<v Speaker 2>then kind of lived around Rio. I think Rio on

0:33:21.520 --> 0:33:25.600
<v Speaker 2>his own for a while during a mental break man.

0:33:26.440 --> 0:33:28.440
<v Speaker 1>So some of the theories over the years that have

0:33:28.520 --> 0:33:32.719
<v Speaker 1>been formed, the one that seems the most obvious to

0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:36.040
<v Speaker 1>me is that along with the ear injury, there was

0:33:36.080 --> 0:33:39.040
<v Speaker 1>some sort of a head injury, maybe a concussion left

0:33:39.120 --> 0:33:44.840
<v Speaker 1>untreated that led to erratic behavior and paranoia maybe, and

0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:49.240
<v Speaker 1>that you know, once he had left and had no

0:33:49.360 --> 0:33:53.160
<v Speaker 1>money and no phone and no passport, he sort of

0:33:53.320 --> 0:33:56.920
<v Speaker 1>was just sort of perhaps lost his memory and lost

0:33:57.040 --> 0:33:59.440
<v Speaker 1>in Bulgaria and still lost in Bulgaria.

0:34:00.200 --> 0:34:03.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's entirely possible, especially if it was a head

0:34:03.840 --> 0:34:06.360
<v Speaker 2>injury that was getting worse and worse by the hour.

0:34:07.920 --> 0:34:13.120
<v Speaker 2>That could definitely explain the erratic behavior of leaving his

0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:16.760
<v Speaker 2>stuff and running through the airport and jumping the fence

0:34:17.239 --> 0:34:20.239
<v Speaker 2>into a sun flower field, because if you think about it,

0:34:20.280 --> 0:34:24.319
<v Speaker 2>everything up to that point you can explain by him

0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:27.960
<v Speaker 2>being intimidated in a hotel he didn't feel comfortable in

0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:32.680
<v Speaker 2>by some guys who aim to rob him, And even

0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:35.560
<v Speaker 2>if those guys didn't aim to rob him, just him

0:34:35.600 --> 0:34:39.040
<v Speaker 2>thinking that they were going to rob him explains everything

0:34:39.040 --> 0:34:41.359
<v Speaker 2>else up to that point. The thing that makes it

0:34:41.520 --> 0:34:45.520
<v Speaker 2>inexplicable as far as I'm concerned, is him leaving the

0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:48.680
<v Speaker 2>airport the way they did and potentially leaving everything behind.

0:34:48.960 --> 0:34:51.680
<v Speaker 2>That throws everything out the window and actually makes the

0:34:51.719 --> 0:34:55.760
<v Speaker 2>idea of a traumatic brain injury a lot more possible

0:34:55.800 --> 0:34:57.960
<v Speaker 2>in my mind. The problem is that if that's what

0:34:58.160 --> 0:35:01.560
<v Speaker 2>happened to him, it's really possible that he's up there,

0:35:01.680 --> 0:35:04.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, out in the woods somewhere still and just

0:35:05.000 --> 0:35:09.279
<v Speaker 2>hasn't been found and is dead probably by now.

0:35:09.600 --> 0:35:11.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Or I suppose he could have just you know,

0:35:11.280 --> 0:35:13.640
<v Speaker 1>wandered into a town and assimilated.

0:35:13.960 --> 0:35:17.160
<v Speaker 2>Well. His mom apparently does believe that he's still out there,

0:35:17.440 --> 0:35:19.640
<v Speaker 2>which is why She tries to shake down every lead

0:35:19.719 --> 0:35:22.760
<v Speaker 2>she can, but thinks that he does have memory loss

0:35:22.760 --> 0:35:25.239
<v Speaker 2>and that that's why he's still out there just and

0:35:25.320 --> 0:35:26.799
<v Speaker 2>has never contacted her.

0:35:27.960 --> 0:35:31.680
<v Speaker 1>Another theory is that, you know, maybe everything he said

0:35:31.719 --> 0:35:34.960
<v Speaker 1>is true, Maybe there were men following him. Maybe it

0:35:35.000 --> 0:35:37.280
<v Speaker 1>had something to do with that fight, and these guys

0:35:37.320 --> 0:35:38.919
<v Speaker 1>that may or may not have been hired to beat

0:35:38.960 --> 0:35:44.960
<v Speaker 1>him up. Apparently the human trafficking in Bulgaria is a problem,

0:35:45.520 --> 0:35:49.319
<v Speaker 1>and maybe you know, a young, handsome, fit man like

0:35:49.400 --> 0:35:53.279
<v Speaker 1>Lars could have been a target for human trafficking and

0:35:53.320 --> 0:35:55.920
<v Speaker 1>that he really like had every right to be anxious

0:35:55.920 --> 0:35:59.600
<v Speaker 1>and nervous, because otherwise he seemed like he was okay.

0:36:00.480 --> 0:36:04.279
<v Speaker 1>It's all very confusing and frustrating. I can't imagine what

0:36:05.000 --> 0:36:07.359
<v Speaker 1>Soandra Matonk has been going through for these years.

0:36:07.360 --> 0:36:11.440
<v Speaker 2>So dude, just can't even I mean, when you had

0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:14.200
<v Speaker 2>when you don't have closure like that, your imagination's left

0:36:14.200 --> 0:36:16.640
<v Speaker 2>to just fill in whatever blanks. And you know, in

0:36:16.640 --> 0:36:20.080
<v Speaker 2>a situation like that, people's imaginations tend to go to

0:36:20.120 --> 0:36:22.799
<v Speaker 2>the darkest places. I can't imagine the stuff that she's

0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:25.439
<v Speaker 2>come up with or that people have suggested to her too,

0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:27.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, being caught up in it and forgetting like

0:36:27.760 --> 0:36:29.480
<v Speaker 2>this is the mom, Like this is real to her,

0:36:29.520 --> 0:36:32.160
<v Speaker 2>this is her life. This isn't just something on the internet.

0:36:32.920 --> 0:36:34.240
<v Speaker 1>So what about the trucker.

0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:39.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh so that's one of the leads that there was

0:36:39.280 --> 0:36:44.160
<v Speaker 2>a trucker in uh, what where was it? Brandenburg? The trucker.

0:36:44.360 --> 0:36:46.640
<v Speaker 2>So there was a trucker that in twenty nineteen picked

0:36:46.680 --> 0:36:48.520
<v Speaker 2>up a hitchhiker in Dresden and drove them all the

0:36:48.560 --> 0:36:54.040
<v Speaker 2>way to Brandenburg, I guess. And he said later on

0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:56.799
<v Speaker 2>he didn't know about the Lars Matonk case at the time,

0:36:56.840 --> 0:36:58.719
<v Speaker 2>but he said later on he found out about it

0:36:58.760 --> 0:37:01.239
<v Speaker 2>and said, oh man, that's got to be the kid

0:37:01.239 --> 0:37:05.520
<v Speaker 2>that I picked up. And so his mom shook down

0:37:05.560 --> 0:37:08.680
<v Speaker 2>the story, and I don't think that she ever got

0:37:08.719 --> 0:37:10.799
<v Speaker 2>in touch with the truck driver else. The truck driver

0:37:10.920 --> 0:37:14.080
<v Speaker 2>was just like, here's what I think, but I can't

0:37:14.080 --> 0:37:15.839
<v Speaker 2>say either way, and I don't know where he went.

0:37:16.120 --> 0:37:18.920
<v Speaker 2>So there's like a be on the lookout among you know,

0:37:19.239 --> 0:37:22.520
<v Speaker 2>Lars Matonk watchers in Brandenburg from that story.

0:37:23.040 --> 0:37:25.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there was another stuff like that that kept her

0:37:25.680 --> 0:37:26.840
<v Speaker 1>going totally.

0:37:27.520 --> 0:37:29.160
<v Speaker 2>I thought there was another one about a man in

0:37:29.239 --> 0:37:32.880
<v Speaker 2>Dusseldorf that the whole thing lasted for about two hours,

0:37:32.960 --> 0:37:35.840
<v Speaker 2>that's how fast things get done. She posted pictures that

0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:37.960
<v Speaker 2>somebody had sent her of a man, a homeless man

0:37:38.000 --> 0:37:42.240
<v Speaker 2>in Dusseldorf, and asked for more pictures than they Within

0:37:42.280 --> 0:37:44.440
<v Speaker 2>two hours, the COPT and Dusseldorf would picked the guy

0:37:44.520 --> 0:37:46.880
<v Speaker 2>up and verified that it was not Lars.

0:37:47.640 --> 0:37:50.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I think the head injury and loss

0:37:50.360 --> 0:37:53.400
<v Speaker 1>of memory, like, he would want to get back to Germany.

0:37:53.440 --> 0:37:55.759
<v Speaker 1>By all accounts, he had a good life, enjoyed his job,

0:37:56.480 --> 0:38:01.359
<v Speaker 1>was a pretty happy guy and loved Germany. So like

0:38:01.600 --> 0:38:04.840
<v Speaker 1>the idea of him choosing to stay there of his

0:38:04.960 --> 0:38:07.319
<v Speaker 1>own like sound mind, just doesn't seem likely at all.

0:38:07.719 --> 0:38:12.120
<v Speaker 2>No, and unfortunately that really strongly suggests foul play as

0:38:12.120 --> 0:38:14.719
<v Speaker 2>a possibility. To the fact that he has not turned up,

0:38:14.760 --> 0:38:18.200
<v Speaker 2>he has every reason to, like you say, turn back

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<v Speaker 2>up again, get back to his life. Yes, I saw

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<v Speaker 2>that this on the State Department's website for Bulgarian human trafficking. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>Bulgaria does have a human trafficking problem, but it seems

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<v Speaker 2>to be typically targeting Bulgarians, especially Romani people who end

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<v Speaker 2>up getting forced to beg on the streets are forced

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<v Speaker 2>into hard labor if you're a man, that it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily target tourists, and I think the Bulgarian officials would

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<v Speaker 2>probably not put up with that because it would harm

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<v Speaker 2>tourism so dramatically. So it's fairly unlikely that like a

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<v Speaker 2>blonde German guy named you know, Lars would be would

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<v Speaker 2>end up begging on the streets of France at the

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<v Speaker 2>behest of the bulgar and mafia. And I also saw

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<v Speaker 2>another theory that he was a drug mule and he

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<v Speaker 2>flipped out and was scared he was gonna get caught

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<v Speaker 2>and ran out of the airport. What really kind of

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<v Speaker 2>undermines that theory is that no drugs were found in

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<v Speaker 2>his stuff, So it's possible he took drugs. A lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people are like, well, clearly he was on drugs,

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<v Speaker 2>Like why else would you do that. That's a possibility

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<v Speaker 2>as well. But again, if you really look at some

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<v Speaker 2>of his behavior, it, yes, the fact that he ran

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<v Speaker 2>out of the airport and jumped over a fence, that's

0:39:33.760 --> 0:39:36.080
<v Speaker 2>erratic behavior, but if you look at the way he

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<v Speaker 2>was behaving during that erratic behavior, he's not acting erratic,

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<v Speaker 2>if that makes any sense. It's just it's one of

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<v Speaker 2>the most bizarre mysteries I've ever heard. So kudos to

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<v Speaker 2>you and Dave Meischner for coming up with this one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I knew nothing about it until Dave saent it.

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<v Speaker 2>So way to go, Dave. Yeah, we need to spend

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<v Speaker 2>more time on YouTube. I guess we totally missed this one.

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<v Speaker 2>You can go back to VidCon right you got anything else?

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<v Speaker 1>Nope?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, if you want to know more about

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<v Speaker 2>Lars matonk go out and solve the mystery, will you

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<v Speaker 2>at least for his dear mother's sake? And since we

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<v Speaker 2>said his dear mother's sake, it's time for listener mail.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to call this this is another kid writing in.

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<v Speaker 1>This is actually from dad. My son Hans colored a

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<v Speaker 1>picture of you podcasting today. None prompted nice. Which did

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<v Speaker 1>you see this picture?

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<v Speaker 2>No? I got to bring it up.

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<v Speaker 1>It was very cute, which I thought was awesome. I

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<v Speaker 1>said we should send it to Josh and Chuck, and

0:40:33.480 --> 0:40:35.520
<v Speaker 1>his eyes lit up. He wrote out what he wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to type in an email to you, and I thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was better to just send you his note. I've

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<v Speaker 1>been listening to the show for the last ten years

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<v Speaker 1>or so, and introduce my son a few months ago.

0:40:44.680 --> 0:40:47.520
<v Speaker 1>We read books before bed, including yours, and then listen

0:40:47.520 --> 0:40:50.520
<v Speaker 1>to the podcast as he falls asleep. I'm thankful that

0:40:50.560 --> 0:40:52.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm able to share this with Hans. He's a smart

0:40:52.440 --> 0:40:55.879
<v Speaker 1>kid with incredible memory, so we'll often bring up facts

0:40:55.880 --> 0:40:58.080
<v Speaker 1>he's learned from you guys, which I had already forgotten.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice and the picture what is adorable?

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<v Speaker 2>What's the name of the guy who sent it?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking for Sam Okay And it's a picture with

0:41:11.040 --> 0:41:14.080
<v Speaker 1>magic marker and you are sitting upright at a table.

0:41:14.640 --> 0:41:16.839
<v Speaker 1>And he actually nailed it because you're on the left.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh huh, you know back in the before times when

0:41:19.480 --> 0:41:22.080
<v Speaker 1>we were actually in our studio. Yeah, he has it right.

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<v Speaker 1>You're on the left. I'm on the right. I am

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like I'm passing out though I'm kind of

0:41:26.320 --> 0:41:31.160
<v Speaker 1>slumped over. But he's got two little microphones and then

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<v Speaker 1>two little pieces of paper with a handwritten thing that

0:41:34.160 --> 0:41:37.680
<v Speaker 1>says notes, pointing at the paper and says, I listen

0:41:37.719 --> 0:41:40.319
<v Speaker 1>to your show almost every night. And then there's a

0:41:40.320 --> 0:41:44.600
<v Speaker 1>handwritten letter which is great, which I'll read as best

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<v Speaker 1>I can. I love your show, Chuck and Josh. Today,

0:41:48.120 --> 0:41:51.080
<v Speaker 1>I listened to your SYSK about Earwax. I told my

0:41:51.160 --> 0:41:55.800
<v Speaker 1>mom and had some of your tips. Hey, have you

0:41:55.800 --> 0:41:59.680
<v Speaker 1>guys made a football episode like touchdown? But if not,

0:42:00.080 --> 0:42:02.040
<v Speaker 1>can you make one? I listen to almost all the

0:42:02.080 --> 0:42:05.600
<v Speaker 1>episodes except ones that my parents don't let me watch.

0:42:06.400 --> 0:42:08.480
<v Speaker 1>I also have your book. I have read some of

0:42:08.480 --> 0:42:10.920
<v Speaker 1>the chapters in it and they are great. I like

0:42:10.960 --> 0:42:13.800
<v Speaker 1>that you guys have different types of episodes, like short

0:42:13.840 --> 0:42:18.160
<v Speaker 1>stuff and just regular episodes. I'm your biggest fan. I'm

0:42:18.239 --> 0:42:22.799
<v Speaker 1>the second grade. Yours, sincerely, and that is Hans's last

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<v Speaker 1>name redacted because he's a kid.

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<v Speaker 2>Hans. That was amazing. I'm going to find the picture.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't been able to find it yet, but that

0:42:29.120 --> 0:42:32.080
<v Speaker 2>was a beautiful letter. And you have a super cool name.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I love it, and thank you Dad, Sam and

0:42:36.560 --> 0:42:39.359
<v Speaker 1>whoever else is in the family helping to support the show.

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<v Speaker 1>We really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep. Well, if you want to get in touch with us,

0:42:42.480 --> 0:42:45.759
<v Speaker 2>like Hans, maybe try drawing a picture. What are you

0:42:45.800 --> 0:42:49.799
<v Speaker 2>waiting for? We love pictures. You can send them off

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