WEBVTT - BONUS EP: 'Avengers: Endgame' Review **SPOILERS** 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:13.640 Hello, and welcome to a special edition of Nerdificent. We 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:17.680 are going to be covering Endgame. So if you haven't 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:20.600 seen Avengers Endgame, you might want to not listen to 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:24.960 this episode on Endgame. I am one half of your 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:28.040 Hostdanny fernandezon sitting across from me. Yeah, if you want 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:31.280 away ready to talk about in game. I know you 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:34.559 really wanted to talk about this last week. Yeah, like 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:37.480 I was just excited for people to know it's about 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:41.839 to happen. And we are joined by pop culture critic. 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:45.559 You have seen her words on Playboy Polygone The Hollywood 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:49.360 Reporter teen Vogue. She was here for our Captain Marvel episode. 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:53.800 It is Joel Monique. O, what's up. I'm so excited 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:59.440 to talk about this movie critic. Yes, you've been through 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:02.000 it for a few We did Aunt Man in the 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:07.440 Wash Marvel. Yeah, we've did all the movies after Infinity 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:09.959 War up until it's true I mean your Marvel person, 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:13.640 and I feel really special about that. Yeah, so when 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:15.760 I have many times have you have you seen it 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:19.360 once now? Or I have seen it once? Okay, but 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:22.279 it was a lasting experience and I haven't talked about 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:24.640 I haven't stopped talking about it since like even Game 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:27.440 of Thrones day, I was still talking about Avengers. So 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:29.840 I feel good about it. I know it really sat 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:32.440 I mean it also sat with me as well. It 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:35.520 was something that honestly, even though it was three hours, 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:37.720 didn't feel like it not at all, didn't feel like 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:41.319 three hours. UM. So I guess we could just dive 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:44.640 right into it. How did you feel? How did you 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:46.400 feel about it? Compared to all the other m c 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:49.840 U films. So I went back and watched most of 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:52.640 the m c U films before, and then every film 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:55.520 that was very specifically inside of this film I watched 0:01:55.520 --> 0:02:02.080 again afterwards, and I felt, so this movie has we're 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:05.320 wrapping up so many storylines that it has like this 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:08.880 very like lovely prominent place, like it's the end of 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:14.359 like the Great Tony Stark, like um emotional daddy drama saga, 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:16.960 and then also you get the end of Captain Marvel's 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:23.160 like sacrificial journey. Um. But in the same way that 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:26.079 I feel like Ultron left people with a lot of questions, 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:28.560 this movie left me with a lot of questions. However, 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:31.560 I will say I rewatched Ultron and I have those 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:33.760 questions anymore because Ultron is setting up questions to be 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:37.280 answered later. It's hard to judge a series in the middle, 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:40.840 like as an end of a chapter, you're like so good, 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:43.360 Like I feel like we got where we needed to be, 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:46.760 you know, have questions about some of the deaths, but 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:49.040 overall it's like, you know, this is a really solid 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:51.720 place to land. Um, we'll have to see where they 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:53.960 pick up some of the strands some of the questions later. 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:57.280 It's hard to sort of judge the film in a 0:02:57.320 --> 0:02:59.040 series when you don't know how it's going to end. 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:02.800 I think it did a great job closing the book 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:08.160 on just kind of the the original MCU crew, like 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:11.360 you know, Cat you know, wrapped that story, which is 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:13.880 was beautiful to me as a fan of the comics 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:16.560 because that doesn't happen in the comics. In the comics, 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:19.800 Cap just keeps fighting, you never he he never gets 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:21.320 that back. So for him to be able to get 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:23.840 that back in the movies was like an extra surprise 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:26.720 it didn't see coming, uh, and that it makes sense 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:29.080 for him to rest the decision Captain in America to 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:32.640 make Iron Man, you know, finally getting wrapped up, which 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:34.800 you know was great. I think I called that, I 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:36.720 said they were both couldn't die. I mean, they both 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:38.800 didn't die, but they both kind of got wrapped, their 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:41.880 stories wrapped. And you know, it seems like they're gonna 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:46.120 kind of bunch thor with Guardians maybe, which is which 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:50.400 is the interesting thing? Uh Black Widow Dad, I think 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:53.280 she's gone. I think they they smoked her. The the 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:57.040 movie that's on the docket as a prequel, Like that's 0:03:57.040 --> 0:03:59.600 so they're just gonna do the prequel. It it does 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:03.160 seem to do a prequel, yes, but I mean I 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:07.280 feel like a prequel coming after time travel, knowing that 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:11.280 the zones soul stone is an exchange, and that Captain 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:13.400 went to place all the stones back exactly where they 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:16.880 picked them up, she could easily pop back up. I 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:20.839 just don't think that it's necessary, though sometimes I feel 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:24.839 I sometimes I feel like it's okay too. It's like 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:28.440 real life. It's okay sometimes to retire or lose our heroes. 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:30.400 That happened in real life. We lose people that we 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:33.320 care about in real life. And um, it's funny that 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:36.200 you I know that you wrote for um Playboy. I 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:39.400 just wrote a thing, a piece for them on how 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:44.520 Endgame tackles failure. And mortality and mainly how I when 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:47.599 I watched this movie, I watched it as someone that 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:52.159 has depression, seeing how they were put into this bleak 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:56.279 world where they suddenly found themselves purposeless. They suddenly had 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:59.880 no purpose anymore. They were so lost and didn't did 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:01.880 know how to carry How do you carry on when 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:03.520 you feel like you have no more purpose? How do 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:05.479 you carry on after grief? How do you carry on 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:08.720 after loss? And so that to me when I walked 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:10.080 out and everyone's like, how do you like? How did 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:11.440 you like it? And to me it was like, oh 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:14.279 my gosh, it spoke to me from that place of 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:19.080 it was the most vulnerable I had ever seen them. 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:21.440 That to me is decide that I that I wanted 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:23.960 to see And yeah, they've all we've had Lost and 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:26.680 other and other films, but this was the first time 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:30.480 where it was really like this might not work out. 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:32.480 A five year jump is what really kind of screws 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:34.800 with your head at the beginning, because at first it's like, Okay, 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:37.920 well we're picking up and we're gonna find oh, like 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:41.960 there's nothing. That was a great moment, and there were 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:44.200 just lots of good bread crumbs within all that be 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:47.120 like you know Cap saying how he this is a 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:50.039 second loss firm because he had that loss, and it 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:52.679 really did. There were a lot of setups that were great. 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:55.080 There was some little heavy handed like I don't think 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:58.280 Tony Stark needed to say and don't die in the process. 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:00.400 It was like, all right, this is this is but 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:02.279 but I always say those ones are for the people 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:06.599 in the back or what's gonna happen. It's like, oh uh, 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:10.279 there's something that's been making ways recently that didn't ping 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:12.239 for me. But it seems like a lot of people 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:17.039 feel a certain way and it's about fat thor I 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:20.159 love person. I love that that's and that's my thing too, 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:23.400 is like you know, I saw no problem because they 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:25.400 didn't have any fat jokes. And then at the end 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:29.359 of the like really him being fat felt like it 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:32.279 was an effect of his like depression which he had. 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:36.000 He was depressed because he felt that he couldn't save people. 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:41.840 And then when he gets good, he doesn't get skinny. 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:44.520 It's not like he gets lightning zapp his body and 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:46.840 then they're saying like, oh, fat is depressed. It just 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:50.320 was an effect of it, and he just was totally 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:53.359 He gets to say the line like I'm still worthy 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:56.120 while he's fat, Like he gets his back, like it's 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:58.040 not and it's not anything that anybody makes fun of 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:00.159 him for, you know, they're mostly just concerned about like 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:02.839 so you're drinking a lot and that needs you to 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:05.640 come back to earth and like that's your job. I 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:08.240 pointed that out in Candy Dinner, that there there was 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:11.040 no like direct fat jokes. It was just all his 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:14.200 drinking like that's and yet like there seems to be 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:17.040 this big, you know thing, and I can't control how 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:19.400 anybody feels about it. But it gets to the point 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:21.760 where it's like people are kind of like, you know, 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:25.360 him being fat as a fat joke, as like at 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:29.360 some point it's like you're almost like not allowing people 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:32.760 to show people larger on screen. I don't know. I 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:36.160 split hairs with it and say this, On the one hand, 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:38.240 like you have to be media literate, you need to 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:40.560 like look at things and see like how they're portraying 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:43.720 it and and to that effect, like no, I I 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:46.720 personally don't think that anybody's making fun of Thor's body. 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:48.840 On the other hand, I know there's a lot of 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:51.400 frustration as we watch a lot of very thin people 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:53.480 put on body suits and portray fat people. And there 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:56.360 are a lot of factors who could be doing these roles. Um, 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:58.520 this is not one of them, though, Like we couldn't 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:02.280 replace You're not gonna this is never gonna happen. So, 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:05.600 um did the body Sily greet? No, we don't see 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:07.120 a lot of fat bodies. I think we're still trying 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:08.880 to figure out how to portray them in a way 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:11.720 that with dignity essentially and not play it for jokes. 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:15.000 They got pretty close for for someone who hit to 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:19.600 eighty and hit two eighty muscular, that was that was 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:21.160 one thing that people are like, oh, that looks weird. 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:23.240 It's like, no, that's like I have a picture in 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:26.680 my phone of my body looking but look kind of plastic. 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:30.840 That I feel like that's just the limitations of like 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:34.040 the Uncanny Valley with like we make alien faces, we 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:37.679 should be able to make believable that. I think. I 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:40.439 think he the one that I've saw people point out 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:42.400 was that his mom told him to eat a salad. 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:44.240 You know, at some she was, I can please an 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:47.680 a salad, but for me also he just she said 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:50.280 like when she looks at him, because he is depressed. 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:53.280 Like you said, if he's intoxicated, he is has become 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:56.079 an alcoholic, like he as someone that has depression. He 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:59.360 hasn't showered like and so to me, it's almost like 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:01.840 she when she cresses his face and she's like, you know, 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:03.680 the future hasn't been good to you. I think she's 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:06.560 just looking at the hardship that he is, you know, 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:09.240 not necessarily his body, but just him as like your 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:13.640 soul has been crushed. You're intoxicated. My child here is 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:17.079 like severely depressed, you know, like please take care of yourself. 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:20.439 I think like that might be the commentary more there. 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:23.560 It's a very mom thing to say, like take care 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:26.480 of yourself, please don't down a bunch of corps. Like 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:29.040 it certainly wasn't like, oh my god, no one's gonna 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:31.319 love him still, And the thing was that she still, 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:33.560 she loved him so much. She knew like this is 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:35.920 my son, you know, and you're not and you would 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:38.600 never you know. It was interesting because she did say 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:42.160 you are a failure, but and he was like that's harsh. 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:44.360 But it was so fascinating the way that it's like 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:47.480 it's okay to fail. It's okay to fail you know, 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:49.320 that doesn't mean you're not worthy, and that's why when 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:52.240 he reached for Milnoir, he was still able to get 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:57.320 it like you are still valid definitely. I mean, like 0:09:57.480 --> 0:10:00.600 I think I've made this comment before, like aren't always 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:02.880 is going to affect people differently. People are gonna get 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:06.160 it differently, and you know, no one knows the intent, 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:09.800 and you just sometimes you just see something a certain 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:11.920 way and you know that's how you feel about and 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:14.520 I can't argue that. But that did kind of like 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:17.360 shake me a bit because I I think it shook 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:19.200 me more, like maybe it feels something that I just 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:21.320 was like hunt and moved. I think it shook me 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:23.160 more because I came out of it thinking like, oh 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:26.440 they they did a good job with not doing the 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:29.600 hacky thing and really kind of really letting it be 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:31.959 the effect of his depression and not have it. But 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:34.920 I think Joel just knocked it out the park on that, 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:39.400 uh story wise, you know, yeah, I think just hidden, 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:42.520 like everyone said, didn't feel like three hours. It really 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:45.960 just flowed. It kept giving us everything we needed, and 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:51.200 as a like finale to eleven years of movies, I 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:55.360 gotta say I love that, just like as a writer. 0:10:56.280 --> 0:11:00.840 It was kind of like almost just storytelling point that 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:04.760 you ind the you You go back to one of 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:08.000 the most prolific moments in The Avengers two thousand twelve 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:10.640 The New York when we first meet the Avengers and 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:15.200 we just have essentially these developed characters, but like having 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:18.480 Steve Rogers from two thousand twelve fights Steve Rogers now 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:24.400 so you can actively see but the way they tease 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:27.160 like this isn't like I talked to a bunch of 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:29.680 people who are like, well, I've seen all the movies 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:31.520 and I still feel them like this is a movie 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:34.520 designed for people who watch these movies like six times, 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:37.280 because the little like when Steve gets in the elevator 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:40.959 and you're like, are we gonna point to they build 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:43.240 that tension for fans of being like, we know what 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:45.079 you want to see. Now he learned his lesson. It's 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:46.880 just a simple hale Hydra and he thought. I was like, 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:50.520 this is so effing good. And a thousand little moments 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:53.440 like that word like one of the coming. One of 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:55.880 my favorite things was getting to see Bruce first, like 0:11:56.000 --> 0:12:00.160 how much the Hulk has changed? He out of every one, 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:04.000 I would say him and Nebula's story arc are my favorite. 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:07.679 Like Bruce so to have the fact that he went 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:09.559 back in that time when we first saw the Avengers, 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:12.040 and now he has rectified this part of himself that 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:15.200 he hated so much that he has now learned to 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:18.720 live with and and seeing as now a strength something 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:20.200 that he and I don't know if you remember, in 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:22.120 the first Avengers he actually said that he tried to 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:24.760 kill himself. I mean, that's really dark. He says that 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:27.280 he shot a bullet in his mouth and that the 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:31.120 whole spit it out. And now, um, there's a scene 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:33.920 it's so it's so pretty where nat is like you 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:38.680 know where Natasha where Black Widow, where he Um, Bruce 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:41.880 is nervous about the time travel and she says, well, um, 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:44.040 you did this. And she's talking about him being able 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:45.839 to be Bruce and the Hulk at the same time, 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:47.520 and she says, I remember a time when that was 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:50.760 almost impossible. And so for me it's like, oh my gosh, 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:53.280 the fact that this man has finally been able this 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:56.400 like tormented soul has finally been able to come to 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:58.319 terms and like be both of these things at the 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:01.160 same time, and you're really able to see that by 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:06.920 these flashbacks, like how how much of our heroes have evolved. Well, also, 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:10.000 it's great because it's just such a metaphor with so 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:13.520 many things where you try and fight this part of you, 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:15.680 just try and fight you use like I want to be, 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:18.679 not this I this part of me I don't want 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:21.720 to be. And finally learning to love that part of 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:24.760 yourself and be one with it and see how it 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:27.440 complements you as a human. That is just a beautiful 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:32.720 message within itself. And I mean this The time stuff 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:36.280 was real cool, mostly because the pacing of it was great. 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:38.200 We got the fun of the two thousand and twelve 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:42.600 and then we almost forget that they went to Vormier 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:47.160 Vormier or with Vormier. Yeah, we almost forget. They time 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:50.000 it so perfectly for it to be the last one. 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:53.080 We forget the one thing that they taught us about 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:55.520 Vormier in the last movie, because we had all this 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:59.280 stuff happened. And then you see red Skull and you're like, oh, 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.840 oh no, see I didn't forget and I knew immediately. 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:06.240 So one of these two people is going to have 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:11.000 to die. And I feel like it is really challenging 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:14.320 because like if we look at the way um Houlka 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:17.720 like Hulk is the exact opposite mental space as literally 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:20.720 everyone else. The writers did a really great interview with 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:22.920 The New York Times where they took everybody's like most 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:25.720 pressing questions asked the writers and they responded. So one 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:28.160 of them was talking about, like, you know, when did 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:29.840 you guys decide to take this route with the Hulk 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:31.680 because his story he hasn't had a solo story. It's 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:34.640 chopped up amongst like about four different stories to make 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:37.520 this arc happen for him. And if you remember any 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:41.000 trailers for Infinity Wars, you have Hulk in the Hulk 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:43.920 Buster running around instead of just Bruce Banner inside of 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:46.480 the Hulk Bolster with his tiny head, giant metal body 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:49.080 thing going on. Originally they were going to put that 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:51.320 storyline at the end of this movie, at the end 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:54.240 of Infinity Wars. He was going to have that transformation 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:57.640 and be kind of like reached this equilibrium. Then the 0:14:57.680 --> 0:14:59.200 snap would have happened, and then we would have come 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:01.200 back here, but she wouldn't given his character a lot 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:02.760 to do. So it's really smart of them to put 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:05.240 it here. I really wish we had had more of 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:08.400 that formation, that thought process with Nat who was also 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:10.200 a character who has yet to have a solo movie, 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:13.840 who hasn't had her story really spread out, She hasn't 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:16.560 had a great arc across Like you're introduced to her 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:20.239 in uh iron Man Too, Tony hires her as an assistant. 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:22.840 Then you know she's in Avengers and we get a 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:24.480 lot more of her backstory. We get a little bit 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:26.280 of a teaser of like what her life was like 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:30.960 in Ultron. Then she's kind of hanging out with Cap 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:33.040 and being like, you should date again, that would be 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:34.960 fun for you, right, and we hear kicked total ass, 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:38.520 which is awesome. Nothing happens to her and all this time, 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:40.440 and the writer said that in this one, she's supposed 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:43.320 to be reclusive. Did you get that kind of I 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:46.400 mean she did. I felt like she has out of everyone, 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:48.880 she's the one that had her walls up, that she 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:51.280 she felt like she had to remain strong because remember, 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:53.840 like it was clear everybody was like are you okay? 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:56.640 Everyone kept like, you know, like checking in on her 0:15:56.720 --> 0:15:58.520 and for and I remember there was a scene where 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:00.800 Cap was like she was like if I don't do this, 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:02.640 who's going to do this? And he was like, maybe 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:05.680 no one needs to do this, you know, And for 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:09.520 me it was just like she I know what you're 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:14.440 saying though, and I feel like, um should I just 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:17.160 lost my train of thought, but um, I soon say. 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:21.560 As they've explored other like mental disorders or disabilities, and 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:23.600 and they've explored them so well in such a short 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:27.000 amount of time, agoraphobia is presented in a lot of 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:29.160 different ways, and they sort of hinted at it, but again, 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:31.360 they didn't give not anything to do. They had all 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:34.400 these characters sort of reacting to her. But I'm sorry, yeah, 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:37.760 no not but like, let's see her try to maybe 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:39.840 go after Clan because that's the only really clue I 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:42.440 got was when they're like, someone's going should go after 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:43.880 him and I'm like, well, it's name was like something 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:45.360 back what I should be able to take care of 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:47.680 pretty easily. Like that's sort of how they met. It's 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:49.360 weird that she's not doing it, but it to me, 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:52.240 it never got to that again, that fully fleshed out point. 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:54.000 And I feel like that's her whole problem in the 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:56.880 entire saga Infinity saga is that we never get to 0:16:56.920 --> 0:17:00.320 know her as a person. Well, I was going to say. 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:03.040 One of the saddest scenes when she does pass and 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:04.600 and Cap it was like, how do your friends not 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:06.280 even know you? Because Cap was like does she have 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:10.080 any family? And they said, yeah, us And I was 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:11.920 just like, how do you not know if she has? 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:14.160 But that I mean it did up in that with 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:17.800 the soul Stone when Clint says something about her dad's 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:19.920 name and she's like, I didn't know it, you know, 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:22.800 So it's clear that she I know what you're saying. 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:24.800 It seems like maybe she was the one that she 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:29.520 didn't really get. Her death is probably one of the 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:32.320 saddest because it was like she didn't really get to 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:36.560 reconcile a lot of that or you know, the funeral. 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:40.680 I feel like the I kind of feel the same 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:42.800 way there. But now it's kind of fun now now 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:45.280 that you pointed out that exchange thing and she might 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:47.680 be back. I'm like, oh, that that's a good point. 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:50.520 But there is like that element where I was hoping 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:53.760 Clint would go because I'm like, Clint is wrapped up. 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:56.119 He had his rown in. We showed how cool he is. 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:59.760 He has you know, his family. Yeah, they're gone, they'll 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:05.080 be they'll be fine, you know. It's so like so 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:07.640 like when it was like her getting smoked, it was 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:10.400 because I was like, damn that, even though we did 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:14.040 get more back before, before we got that moment, uh, 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:16.359 that real moment of having her back, I was like, damn, 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:19.960 we lost two women in this same thing. Um, but 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:23.480 you know that, you know, I totally forget that when 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:27.639 we have that super you know, dope woman moment uh 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:31.480 in the final battle, which I was like, oh y'all, 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:33.879 y'all did it like it was like when it was 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:36.240 when it went super fan service E And I was like, 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:38.399 oh man, I don't care how many people are going 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:41.720 to complain online about this. This is what I needed 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:45.679 is just seeing all of this action pop off and 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:50.359 then just that anime style fight with Captain Marvel and 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:52.960 Than I was just the anime like I'm a headbutt 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:56.320 you was like, that didn't do anything. But then also 0:18:56.359 --> 0:18:58.160 that I thought it was a cool sequence of even 0:18:58.200 --> 0:18:59.920 than I was doing the switch up of grabbing the 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:03.160 power stone to punch her like he needs. Yeah, it's 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:06.680 just so much the fight sequence all that. Uh. Yeah, 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:10.040 this was you know, big big moments if you if 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:12.720 you have a daughter, man that they really came at you. 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:14.959 It was like boom right at the top with Scott 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:18.160 Lang and his daughters like ouch boom. Then you see 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:21.800 Iron Man with his daughter's like oh this moment, ouch boom. 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:24.800 Then you get the moment, uh you know Clint when 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:27.879 he misses his daughter out just back to bed and 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:33.000 his daughter on you just oh, kill me now, like 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:35.320 how how how do you miss it? How do you 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:38.520 miss And you tore her literally apart like it was crazy. 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:40.639 But to go back to your earlier point about like 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:43.720 the female and how like just Gimla Wilson is really 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:46.199 that doll? If you is probably inappropriate to call her, 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:49.239 but I'm so sorry. But she she was awesome. Uh. 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:51.919 She created the eight Fource, which is the all female 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:55.760 Marvel team Super Dope. She Hulk has a really prominent 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:57.280 role in a lot of characters that we haven't yet 0:19:57.280 --> 0:20:00.679 gotten to in the Marvel universe. But seeing these women 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:03.360 that we've been like traveling with, and especially you kind 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:05.360 of got like a little moment of this Infinity War 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:10.880 with the Natalie Adkia fight scene. Um, no Scarlett Witch 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:14.840