Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to a special edition of Nerdificent. We
Speaker 1: are going to be covering Endgame. So if you haven't
Speaker 1: seen Avengers Endgame, you might want to not listen to
Speaker 1: this episode on Endgame. I am one half of your
Speaker 1: Hostdanny fernandezon sitting across from me. Yeah, if you want
Speaker 1: away ready to talk about in game. I know you
Speaker 1: really wanted to talk about this last week. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: I was just excited for people to know it's about
Speaker 1: to happen. And we are joined by pop culture critic.
Speaker 1: You have seen her words on Playboy Polygone The Hollywood
Speaker 1: Reporter teen Vogue. She was here for our Captain Marvel episode.
Speaker 1: It is Joel Monique. O, what's up. I'm so excited
Speaker 1: to talk about this movie critic. Yes, you've been through
Speaker 1: it for a few We did Aunt Man in the
Speaker 1: Wash Marvel. Yeah, we've did all the movies after Infinity
Speaker 1: War up until it's true I mean your Marvel person,
Speaker 1: and I feel really special about that. Yeah, so when
Speaker 1: I have many times have you have you seen it
Speaker 1: once now? Or I have seen it once? Okay, but
Speaker 1: it was a lasting experience and I haven't talked about
Speaker 1: I haven't stopped talking about it since like even Game
Speaker 1: of Thrones day, I was still talking about Avengers. So
Speaker 1: I feel good about it. I know it really sat
Speaker 1: I mean it also sat with me as well. It
Speaker 1: was something that honestly, even though it was three hours,
Speaker 1: didn't feel like it not at all, didn't feel like
Speaker 1: three hours. UM. So I guess we could just dive
Speaker 1: right into it. How did you feel? How did you
Speaker 1: feel about it? Compared to all the other m c
Speaker 1: U films. So I went back and watched most of
Speaker 1: the m c U films before, and then every film
Speaker 1: that was very specifically inside of this film I watched
Speaker 1: again afterwards, and I felt, so this movie has we're
Speaker 1: wrapping up so many storylines that it has like this
Speaker 1: very like lovely prominent place, like it's the end of
Speaker 1: like the Great Tony Stark, like um emotional daddy drama saga,
Speaker 1: and then also you get the end of Captain Marvel's
Speaker 1: like sacrificial journey. Um. But in the same way that
Speaker 1: I feel like Ultron left people with a lot of questions,
Speaker 1: this movie left me with a lot of questions. However,
Speaker 1: I will say I rewatched Ultron and I have those
Speaker 1: questions anymore because Ultron is setting up questions to be
Speaker 1: answered later. It's hard to judge a series in the middle,
Speaker 1: like as an end of a chapter, you're like so good,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like we got where we needed to be,
Speaker 1: you know, have questions about some of the deaths, but
Speaker 1: overall it's like, you know, this is a really solid
Speaker 1: place to land. Um, we'll have to see where they
Speaker 1: pick up some of the strands some of the questions later.
Speaker 1: It's hard to sort of judge the film in a
Speaker 1: series when you don't know how it's going to end.
Speaker 1: I think it did a great job closing the book
Speaker 1: on just kind of the the original MCU crew, like
Speaker 1: you know, Cat you know, wrapped that story, which is
Speaker 1: was beautiful to me as a fan of the comics
Speaker 1: because that doesn't happen in the comics. In the comics,
Speaker 1: Cap just keeps fighting, you never he he never gets
Speaker 1: that back. So for him to be able to get
Speaker 1: that back in the movies was like an extra surprise
Speaker 1: it didn't see coming, uh, and that it makes sense
Speaker 1: for him to rest the decision Captain in America to
Speaker 1: make Iron Man, you know, finally getting wrapped up, which
Speaker 1: you know was great. I think I called that, I
Speaker 1: said they were both couldn't die. I mean, they both
Speaker 1: didn't die, but they both kind of got wrapped, their
Speaker 1: stories wrapped. And you know, it seems like they're gonna
Speaker 1: kind of bunch thor with Guardians maybe, which is which
Speaker 1: is the interesting thing? Uh Black Widow Dad, I think
Speaker 1: she's gone. I think they they smoked her. The the
Speaker 1: movie that's on the docket as a prequel, Like that's
Speaker 1: so they're just gonna do the prequel. It it does
Speaker 1: seem to do a prequel, yes, but I mean I
Speaker 1: feel like a prequel coming after time travel, knowing that
Speaker 1: the zones soul stone is an exchange, and that Captain
Speaker 1: went to place all the stones back exactly where they
Speaker 1: picked them up, she could easily pop back up. I
Speaker 1: just don't think that it's necessary, though sometimes I feel
Speaker 1: I sometimes I feel like it's okay too. It's like
Speaker 1: real life. It's okay sometimes to retire or lose our heroes.
Speaker 1: That happened in real life. We lose people that we
Speaker 1: care about in real life. And um, it's funny that
Speaker 1: you I know that you wrote for um Playboy. I
Speaker 1: just wrote a thing, a piece for them on how
Speaker 1: Endgame tackles failure. And mortality and mainly how I when
Speaker 1: I watched this movie, I watched it as someone that
Speaker 1: has depression, seeing how they were put into this bleak
Speaker 1: world where they suddenly found themselves purposeless. They suddenly had
Speaker 1: no purpose anymore. They were so lost and didn't did
Speaker 1: know how to carry How do you carry on when
Speaker 1: you feel like you have no more purpose? How do
Speaker 1: you carry on after grief? How do you carry on
Speaker 1: after loss? And so that to me when I walked
Speaker 1: out and everyone's like, how do you like? How did
Speaker 1: you like it? And to me it was like, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, it spoke to me from that place of
Speaker 1: it was the most vulnerable I had ever seen them.
Speaker 1: That to me is decide that I that I wanted
Speaker 1: to see And yeah, they've all we've had Lost and
Speaker 1: other and other films, but this was the first time
Speaker 1: where it was really like this might not work out.
Speaker 1: A five year jump is what really kind of screws
Speaker 1: with your head at the beginning, because at first it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: well we're picking up and we're gonna find oh, like
Speaker 1: there's nothing. That was a great moment, and there were
Speaker 1: just lots of good bread crumbs within all that be
Speaker 1: like you know Cap saying how he this is a
Speaker 1: second loss firm because he had that loss, and it
Speaker 1: really did. There were a lot of setups that were great.
Speaker 1: There was some little heavy handed like I don't think
Speaker 1: Tony Stark needed to say and don't die in the process.
Speaker 1: It was like, all right, this is this is but
Speaker 1: but I always say those ones are for the people
Speaker 1: in the back or what's gonna happen. It's like, oh uh,
Speaker 1: there's something that's been making ways recently that didn't ping
Speaker 1: for me. But it seems like a lot of people
Speaker 1: feel a certain way and it's about fat thor I
Speaker 1: love person. I love that that's and that's my thing too,
Speaker 1: is like you know, I saw no problem because they
Speaker 1: didn't have any fat jokes. And then at the end
Speaker 1: of the like really him being fat felt like it
Speaker 1: was an effect of his like depression which he had.
Speaker 1: He was depressed because he felt that he couldn't save people.
Speaker 1: And then when he gets good, he doesn't get skinny.
Speaker 1: It's not like he gets lightning zapp his body and
Speaker 1: then they're saying like, oh, fat is depressed. It just
Speaker 1: was an effect of it, and he just was totally
Speaker 1: He gets to say the line like I'm still worthy
Speaker 1: while he's fat, Like he gets his back, like it's
Speaker 1: not and it's not anything that anybody makes fun of
Speaker 1: him for, you know, they're mostly just concerned about like
Speaker 1: so you're drinking a lot and that needs you to
Speaker 1: come back to earth and like that's your job. I
Speaker 1: pointed that out in Candy Dinner, that there there was
Speaker 1: no like direct fat jokes. It was just all his
Speaker 1: drinking like that's and yet like there seems to be
Speaker 1: this big, you know thing, and I can't control how
Speaker 1: anybody feels about it. But it gets to the point
Speaker 1: where it's like people are kind of like, you know,
Speaker 1: him being fat as a fat joke, as like at
Speaker 1: some point it's like you're almost like not allowing people
Speaker 1: to show people larger on screen. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: split hairs with it and say this, On the one hand,
Speaker 1: like you have to be media literate, you need to
Speaker 1: like look at things and see like how they're portraying
Speaker 1: it and and to that effect, like no, I I
Speaker 1: personally don't think that anybody's making fun of Thor's body.
Speaker 1: On the other hand, I know there's a lot of
Speaker 1: frustration as we watch a lot of very thin people
Speaker 1: put on body suits and portray fat people. And there
Speaker 1: are a lot of factors who could be doing these roles. Um,
Speaker 1: this is not one of them, though, Like we couldn't
Speaker 1: replace You're not gonna this is never gonna happen. So,
Speaker 1: um did the body Sily greet? No, we don't see
Speaker 1: a lot of fat bodies. I think we're still trying
Speaker 1: to figure out how to portray them in a way
Speaker 1: that with dignity essentially and not play it for jokes.
Speaker 1: They got pretty close for for someone who hit to
Speaker 1: eighty and hit two eighty muscular, that was that was
Speaker 1: one thing that people are like, oh, that looks weird.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, that's like I have a picture in
Speaker 1: my phone of my body looking but look kind of plastic.
Speaker 1: That I feel like that's just the limitations of like
Speaker 1: the Uncanny Valley with like we make alien faces, we
Speaker 1: should be able to make believable that. I think. I
Speaker 1: think he the one that I've saw people point out
Speaker 1: was that his mom told him to eat a salad.
Speaker 1: You know, at some she was, I can please an
Speaker 1: a salad, but for me also he just she said
Speaker 1: like when she looks at him, because he is depressed.
Speaker 1: Like you said, if he's intoxicated, he is has become
Speaker 1: an alcoholic, like he as someone that has depression. He
Speaker 1: hasn't showered like and so to me, it's almost like
Speaker 1: she when she cresses his face and she's like, you know,
Speaker 1: the future hasn't been good to you. I think she's
Speaker 1: just looking at the hardship that he is, you know,
Speaker 1: not necessarily his body, but just him as like your
Speaker 1: soul has been crushed. You're intoxicated. My child here is
Speaker 1: like severely depressed, you know, like please take care of yourself.
Speaker 1: I think like that might be the commentary more there.
Speaker 1: It's a very mom thing to say, like take care
Speaker 1: of yourself, please don't down a bunch of corps. Like
Speaker 1: it certainly wasn't like, oh my god, no one's gonna
Speaker 1: love him still, And the thing was that she still,
Speaker 1: she loved him so much. She knew like this is
Speaker 1: my son, you know, and you're not and you would
Speaker 1: never you know. It was interesting because she did say
Speaker 1: you are a failure, but and he was like that's harsh.
Speaker 1: But it was so fascinating the way that it's like
Speaker 1: it's okay to fail. It's okay to fail you know,
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean you're not worthy, and that's why when
Speaker 1: he reached for Milnoir, he was still able to get
Speaker 1: it like you are still valid definitely. I mean, like
Speaker 1: I think I've made this comment before, like aren't always
Speaker 1: is going to affect people differently. People are gonna get
Speaker 1: it differently, and you know, no one knows the intent,
Speaker 1: and you just sometimes you just see something a certain
Speaker 1: way and you know that's how you feel about and
Speaker 1: I can't argue that. But that did kind of like
Speaker 1: shake me a bit because I I think it shook
Speaker 1: me more, like maybe it feels something that I just
Speaker 1: was like hunt and moved. I think it shook me
Speaker 1: more because I came out of it thinking like, oh
Speaker 1: they they did a good job with not doing the
Speaker 1: hacky thing and really kind of really letting it be
Speaker 1: the effect of his depression and not have it. But
Speaker 1: I think Joel just knocked it out the park on that,
Speaker 1: uh story wise, you know, yeah, I think just hidden,
Speaker 1: like everyone said, didn't feel like three hours. It really
Speaker 1: just flowed. It kept giving us everything we needed, and
Speaker 1: as a like finale to eleven years of movies, I
Speaker 1: gotta say I love that, just like as a writer.
Speaker 1: It was kind of like almost just storytelling point that
Speaker 1: you ind the you You go back to one of
Speaker 1: the most prolific moments in The Avengers two thousand twelve
Speaker 1: The New York when we first meet the Avengers and
Speaker 1: we just have essentially these developed characters, but like having
Speaker 1: Steve Rogers from two thousand twelve fights Steve Rogers now
Speaker 1: so you can actively see but the way they tease
Speaker 1: like this isn't like I talked to a bunch of
Speaker 1: people who are like, well, I've seen all the movies
Speaker 1: and I still feel them like this is a movie
Speaker 1: designed for people who watch these movies like six times,
Speaker 1: because the little like when Steve gets in the elevator
Speaker 1: and you're like, are we gonna point to they build
Speaker 1: that tension for fans of being like, we know what
Speaker 1: you want to see. Now he learned his lesson. It's
Speaker 1: just a simple hale Hydra and he thought. I was like,
Speaker 1: this is so effing good. And a thousand little moments
Speaker 1: like that word like one of the coming. One of
Speaker 1: my favorite things was getting to see Bruce first, like
Speaker 1: how much the Hulk has changed? He out of every one,
Speaker 1: I would say him and Nebula's story arc are my favorite.
Speaker 1: Like Bruce so to have the fact that he went
Speaker 1: back in that time when we first saw the Avengers,
Speaker 1: and now he has rectified this part of himself that
Speaker 1: he hated so much that he has now learned to
Speaker 1: live with and and seeing as now a strength something
Speaker 1: that he and I don't know if you remember, in
Speaker 1: the first Avengers he actually said that he tried to
Speaker 1: kill himself. I mean, that's really dark. He says that
Speaker 1: he shot a bullet in his mouth and that the
Speaker 1: whole spit it out. And now, um, there's a scene
Speaker 1: it's so it's so pretty where nat is like you
Speaker 1: know where Natasha where Black Widow, where he Um, Bruce
Speaker 1: is nervous about the time travel and she says, well, um,
Speaker 1: you did this. And she's talking about him being able
Speaker 1: to be Bruce and the Hulk at the same time,
Speaker 1: and she says, I remember a time when that was
Speaker 1: almost impossible. And so for me it's like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: the fact that this man has finally been able this
Speaker 1: like tormented soul has finally been able to come to
Speaker 1: terms and like be both of these things at the
Speaker 1: same time, and you're really able to see that by
Speaker 1: these flashbacks, like how how much of our heroes have evolved. Well, also,
Speaker 1: it's great because it's just such a metaphor with so
Speaker 1: many things where you try and fight this part of you,
Speaker 1: just try and fight you use like I want to be,
Speaker 1: not this I this part of me I don't want
Speaker 1: to be. And finally learning to love that part of
Speaker 1: yourself and be one with it and see how it
Speaker 1: complements you as a human. That is just a beautiful
Speaker 1: message within itself. And I mean this The time stuff
Speaker 1: was real cool, mostly because the pacing of it was great.
Speaker 1: We got the fun of the two thousand and twelve
Speaker 1: and then we almost forget that they went to Vormier
Speaker 1: Vormier or with Vormier. Yeah, we almost forget. They time
Speaker 1: it so perfectly for it to be the last one.
Speaker 1: We forget the one thing that they taught us about
Speaker 1: Vormier in the last movie, because we had all this
Speaker 1: stuff happened. And then you see red Skull and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: oh no, see I didn't forget and I knew immediately.
Speaker 1: So one of these two people is going to have
Speaker 1: to die. And I feel like it is really challenging
Speaker 1: because like if we look at the way um Houlka
Speaker 1: like Hulk is the exact opposite mental space as literally
Speaker 1: everyone else. The writers did a really great interview with
Speaker 1: The New York Times where they took everybody's like most
Speaker 1: pressing questions asked the writers and they responded. So one
Speaker 1: of them was talking about, like, you know, when did
Speaker 1: you guys decide to take this route with the Hulk
Speaker 1: because his story he hasn't had a solo story. It's
Speaker 1: chopped up amongst like about four different stories to make
Speaker 1: this arc happen for him. And if you remember any
Speaker 1: trailers for Infinity Wars, you have Hulk in the Hulk
Speaker 1: Buster running around instead of just Bruce Banner inside of
Speaker 1: the Hulk Bolster with his tiny head, giant metal body
Speaker 1: thing going on. Originally they were going to put that
Speaker 1: storyline at the end of this movie, at the end
Speaker 1: of Infinity Wars. He was going to have that transformation
Speaker 1: and be kind of like reached this equilibrium. Then the
Speaker 1: snap would have happened, and then we would have come
Speaker 1: back here, but she wouldn't given his character a lot
Speaker 1: to do. So it's really smart of them to put
Speaker 1: it here. I really wish we had had more of
Speaker 1: that formation, that thought process with Nat who was also
Speaker 1: a character who has yet to have a solo movie,
Speaker 1: who hasn't had her story really spread out, She hasn't
Speaker 1: had a great arc across Like you're introduced to her
Speaker 1: in uh iron Man Too, Tony hires her as an assistant.
Speaker 1: Then you know she's in Avengers and we get a
Speaker 1: lot more of her backstory. We get a little bit
Speaker 1: of a teaser of like what her life was like
Speaker 1: in Ultron. Then she's kind of hanging out with Cap
Speaker 1: and being like, you should date again, that would be
Speaker 1: fun for you, right, and we hear kicked total ass,
Speaker 1: which is awesome. Nothing happens to her and all this time,
Speaker 1: and the writer said that in this one, she's supposed
Speaker 1: to be reclusive. Did you get that kind of I
Speaker 1: mean she did. I felt like she has out of everyone,
Speaker 1: she's the one that had her walls up, that she
Speaker 1: she felt like she had to remain strong because remember,
Speaker 1: like it was clear everybody was like are you okay?
Speaker 1: Everyone kept like, you know, like checking in on her
Speaker 1: and for and I remember there was a scene where
Speaker 1: Cap was like she was like if I don't do this,
Speaker 1: who's going to do this? And he was like, maybe
Speaker 1: no one needs to do this, you know, And for
Speaker 1: me it was just like she I know what you're
Speaker 1: saying though, and I feel like, um should I just
Speaker 1: lost my train of thought, but um, I soon say.
Speaker 1: As they've explored other like mental disorders or disabilities, and
Speaker 1: and they've explored them so well in such a short
Speaker 1: amount of time, agoraphobia is presented in a lot of
Speaker 1: different ways, and they sort of hinted at it, but again,
Speaker 1: they didn't give not anything to do. They had all
Speaker 1: these characters sort of reacting to her. But I'm sorry, yeah,
Speaker 1: no not but like, let's see her try to maybe
Speaker 1: go after Clan because that's the only really clue I
Speaker 1: got was when they're like, someone's going should go after
Speaker 1: him and I'm like, well, it's name was like something
Speaker 1: back what I should be able to take care of
Speaker 1: pretty easily. Like that's sort of how they met. It's
Speaker 1: weird that she's not doing it, but it to me,
Speaker 1: it never got to that again, that fully fleshed out point.
Speaker 1: And I feel like that's her whole problem in the
Speaker 1: entire saga Infinity saga is that we never get to
Speaker 1: know her as a person. Well, I was going to say.
Speaker 1: One of the saddest scenes when she does pass and
Speaker 1: and Cap it was like, how do your friends not
Speaker 1: even know you? Because Cap was like does she have
Speaker 1: any family? And they said, yeah, us And I was
Speaker 1: just like, how do you not know if she has?
Speaker 1: But that I mean it did up in that with
Speaker 1: the soul Stone when Clint says something about her dad's
Speaker 1: name and she's like, I didn't know it, you know,
Speaker 1: So it's clear that she I know what you're saying.
Speaker 1: It seems like maybe she was the one that she
Speaker 1: didn't really get. Her death is probably one of the
Speaker 1: saddest because it was like she didn't really get to
Speaker 1: reconcile a lot of that or you know, the funeral.
Speaker 1: I feel like the I kind of feel the same
Speaker 1: way there. But now it's kind of fun now now
Speaker 1: that you pointed out that exchange thing and she might
Speaker 1: be back. I'm like, oh, that that's a good point.
Speaker 1: But there is like that element where I was hoping
Speaker 1: Clint would go because I'm like, Clint is wrapped up.
Speaker 1: He had his rown in. We showed how cool he is.
Speaker 1: He has you know, his family. Yeah, they're gone, they'll
Speaker 1: be they'll be fine, you know. It's so like so
Speaker 1: like when it was like her getting smoked, it was
Speaker 1: because I was like, damn that, even though we did
Speaker 1: get more back before, before we got that moment, uh,
Speaker 1: that real moment of having her back, I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: we lost two women in this same thing. Um, but
Speaker 1: you know that, you know, I totally forget that when
Speaker 1: we have that super you know, dope woman moment uh
Speaker 1: in the final battle, which I was like, oh y'all,
Speaker 1: y'all did it like it was like when it was
Speaker 1: when it went super fan service E And I was like,
Speaker 1: oh man, I don't care how many people are going
Speaker 1: to complain online about this. This is what I needed
Speaker 1: is just seeing all of this action pop off and
Speaker 1: then just that anime style fight with Captain Marvel and
Speaker 1: Than I was just the anime like I'm a headbutt
Speaker 1: you was like, that didn't do anything. But then also
Speaker 1: that I thought it was a cool sequence of even
Speaker 1: than I was doing the switch up of grabbing the
Speaker 1: power stone to punch her like he needs. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just so much the fight sequence all that. Uh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this was you know, big big moments if you if
Speaker 1: you have a daughter, man that they really came at you.
Speaker 1: It was like boom right at the top with Scott
Speaker 1: Lang and his daughters like ouch boom. Then you see
Speaker 1: Iron Man with his daughter's like oh this moment, ouch boom.
Speaker 1: Then you get the moment, uh you know Clint when
Speaker 1: he misses his daughter out just back to bed and
Speaker 1: his daughter on you just oh, kill me now, like
Speaker 1: how how how do you miss it? How do you
Speaker 1: miss And you tore her literally apart like it was crazy.
Speaker 1: But to go back to your earlier point about like
Speaker 1: the female and how like just Gimla Wilson is really
Speaker 1: that doll? If you is probably inappropriate to call her,
Speaker 1: but I'm so sorry. But she she was awesome. Uh.
Speaker 1: She created the eight Fource, which is the all female
Speaker 1: Marvel team Super Dope. She Hulk has a really prominent
Speaker 1: role in a lot of characters that we haven't yet
Speaker 1: gotten to in the Marvel universe. But seeing these women
Speaker 1: that we've been like traveling with, and especially you kind
Speaker 1: of got like a little moment of this Infinity War
Speaker 1: with the Natalie Adkia fight scene. Um, no Scarlett Witch
Speaker 1: fight scene, but here like seeing all like six eight
Speaker 1: of them like just tearing ship down. It was amazing.
Speaker 1: They were wonderful. I would see that moment, like I
Speaker 1: really just want to see the fight over and over again.
Speaker 1: I mean, just that mom We're like, Scarlet Witch is
Speaker 1: straight up about to murder who you are? Just he
Speaker 1: was about to die. He was about to die until
Speaker 1: it and but it was so funny because like this
Speaker 1: is where the nerve brain gets in my way again,
Speaker 1: because I'm like, you're still so much stronger in the comets.
Speaker 1: You can literally be you. You can snap without at
Speaker 1: which is why they didn't do it in the movies,
Speaker 1: because that's that's what they do an X men. They
Speaker 1: make their women too powerful and then they have to come.
Speaker 1: They're always like, oh man, we made the too powerful,
Speaker 1: we have to kill them. But I feel like the
Speaker 1: cool thing about the way the m c you set
Speaker 1: up is that we could get that snap eventually, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: give it like ten to fifty Scarlett Witch, Okay, that's
Speaker 1: at one point, and it eliminates like all of everybody
Speaker 1: with the ex GENA. Yeah, she she doesn't even she
Speaker 1: says no more mutants, just speaks the word and no
Speaker 1: more mutants, and almost all of mutants are so good.
Speaker 1: Read House of Him if you haven't read it, yet
Speaker 1: it leads up to that it's so good because it
Speaker 1: and that's kind of why, like everyone's like, I don't
Speaker 1: know why you need the X Men, uh, but like
Speaker 1: the stuff like House of Him and Avengers versus x
Speaker 1: Men is you have these two super teams like so far,
Speaker 1: and what we've learned in this movie is the Avengers
Speaker 1: go uncontested, but in a world where X Men exists,
Speaker 1: there's a whole another team that if they feel like
Speaker 1: the Avengers step outline could go toe to toe with him.
Speaker 1: And that's what House of m was about, is want
Speaker 1: of maximum off. She has this break from reality and
Speaker 1: just like, yo, we gotta do something about that, and
Speaker 1: we have to kill someone. And they're basically having this
Speaker 1: discussion of whether or not to kill her in the
Speaker 1: X Men or like, she's our people, so this is
Speaker 1: our decision and they're having this fight, and the fight
Speaker 1: eventually it's it's it's very beautiful. It's the rising tensions
Speaker 1: with that pisses Wanda off so much that she's just
Speaker 1: like you you all these problems and everyone's trying to
Speaker 1: have control over her. It's like, like, really looking back
Speaker 1: on it, it's really just a kind of interesting look
Speaker 1: like she's just tired of all these like people in
Speaker 1: her life trying to tell her what to do, and
Speaker 1: she's like, no more mutants and people lose their powers.
Speaker 1: I want to say it was so I think. I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I think that they're going to introduce
Speaker 1: new characters. And then when I saw the roster, like
Speaker 1: when that final scene happened, of just how many characters
Speaker 1: they had to bring back to really wrap this up,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, yeah, so it makes sense that they
Speaker 1: didn't introduce and because like maybe they'll I didn't. I
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe one of the new Avengers, like maybe
Speaker 1: I don't know who at the times, don't bring back
Speaker 1: Quick Silver, who we really need, Yeah, Aaron Taylor Johnson
Speaker 1: back to them. But I wasn't even like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe America Chavis will show up in here. They're trying
Speaker 1: to get more you know, um, queer representation, and I
Speaker 1: was like maybe, And I just now when I looked
Speaker 1: at the whole I was like, I don't think they
Speaker 1: were going to do that in endgame. Being unrightfully dragged
Speaker 1: by Hector in our previous U episode when he pointed
Speaker 1: out I was complaining about the civil war fight. This
Speaker 1: is what I wanted. That fight when they rushed towards
Speaker 1: each other looked like a comic book spread. I was like,
Speaker 1: this is it. I almost like I had all those
Speaker 1: dad tears and I almost burst into tears of just
Speaker 1: pure nerd happiness, because you know, you're the theater of
Speaker 1: your mind when you read these comics, you make something
Speaker 1: so exciting when you see these pictures come to life
Speaker 1: in your head, and you would think, you're like, this
Speaker 1: would be so cool as a movie, but they would
Speaker 1: never be able to do it. And to see it,
Speaker 1: like to think ten years ago that Fanos like like, look,
Speaker 1: I know Fanos is a household dame now, but Thanos,
Speaker 1: even in comics, was this cosmic level hero. Like I
Speaker 1: was explaining like the levels to like Marvel heroes to
Speaker 1: someone because they're because I was like, it's crazy because
Speaker 1: Thanos is a cosmic hero and they're like, what, cousin.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, no, you have cosmic Marvel.
Speaker 1: That's all space stuff. I was like, you get a
Speaker 1: taste of that from Guardians, but there's a whole level
Speaker 1: of that. Then you got your Avengers level, and then
Speaker 1: you got your street level, which was cool because they
Speaker 1: were building it out with all their Netflix shows. You
Speaker 1: had your street level heroes, then you had the Defenders,
Speaker 1: and now we're gonna see what happens with that. You know, uh,
Speaker 1: Disney Plus in five years, so totally in a different form.
Speaker 1: But Disney Plus about to take over well, and I
Speaker 1: guess now Sony too, because um, Chris Miller and Philip
Speaker 1: Lord are now doing Marvel TV series with Sony. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they just create like a nine figure deal. I'm hearing
Speaker 1: rumors that there's gonna be starting whole new departments of
Speaker 1: things over there for that. It's going to be wild.
Speaker 1: I'm so cited. But like, looking to your earlier point
Speaker 1: about introducing new characters, when Peter went back to high school,
Speaker 1: I swear I was looking for Kamalic, like where are you?
Speaker 1: Maybe she's start. Well, I feel like they've really started
Speaker 1: to establish a group of young people you can start
Speaker 1: taking the lead in the next arc. So it'll be
Speaker 1: interesting to see. Well, that's what I feel like Monica
Speaker 1: Rambo was. That's what I feel like she's going to be.
Speaker 1: When they introduced her, I mean she has to be
Speaker 1: five year time jump to yeah, because she's she's an
Speaker 1: adult now it's been If it was the nineties, then
Speaker 1: she would be we have to take a really quick break.
Speaker 1: We're going to hop back into endgame in just a minute,
Speaker 1: and we're back. Yeah. So I also loved seeing um
Speaker 1: that moment between Peter Parker and Tony Start. That was
Speaker 1: another two your moment for me. And honestly getting to
Speaker 1: have Pepper have her moment in the suit, like truly
Speaker 1: loved having Rescue finally show up. That was beautiful. I
Speaker 1: mean there was so much, oh my gosh, there was
Speaker 1: so much just dope moments sprinkled in, but I think
Speaker 1: rescue is one of the biggest moments because I remember
Speaker 1: that meme going around before the movie where they're like,
Speaker 1: what is Pepper Pot's going to do? Because yeah, up
Speaker 1: until this point, we've totally forgot about Rescue if you
Speaker 1: think about how long ago Iron Man three was, so
Speaker 1: for her to show up, it's like, I'm gonna show
Speaker 1: y'all what I'm gonna do. Yeah, They're like dual moment
Speaker 1: on the battlefield was really dope. That was beautiful. I
Speaker 1: like the door combo with Iron Man's suit, and of
Speaker 1: course the scene that everybody can't stop talking about the
Speaker 1: scene that I was at the press screen and you
Speaker 1: know how I have you know how people try and
Speaker 1: be there. I was there at one okay, I was
Speaker 1: at the nine o'clock. But you know, you know how
Speaker 1: people at press green is trying to be all professional.
Speaker 1: They never never laugh. That did not happen at this
Speaker 1: because in mind, there was no like all the funny moments.
Speaker 1: There was just like like really, yeah, there was a
Speaker 1: dude next to me clacking loud on his keyboard like
Speaker 1: it was like straight up, yeah, you're typing the reveal
Speaker 1: in the movie. Yes, yeah, so but everyone's trying to
Speaker 1: be professional. When I say Cap got that hammer and
Speaker 1: everyone just erupted, it just made it more I'm glad
Speaker 1: people were trying to keep it together because it made
Speaker 1: that more powerful. That everyone forgot that they were trying to,
Speaker 1: you know, out here trying to pretend like they're professional.
Speaker 1: We went wild. Cap grabbing the hammer is something It's
Speaker 1: crazy to me because I feel like I'm working on
Speaker 1: article right now about what changed and Cap that made
Speaker 1: him worthy to carry the hammer versus in a vender's wine.
Speaker 1: When they all tried to pick up the ham, right,
Speaker 1: it was only Thor who was worthy, which sort of
Speaker 1: makes Thor like the only pure hero from the start,
Speaker 1: which really changed your perspective, Like Thor changed so much
Speaker 1: from Ragnarok to write the f now that I feel
Speaker 1: like there's so much more. The character has blossomed so
Speaker 1: beautifully into himself. And now we've had three people carry
Speaker 1: the hammer, Thor Captain America, and then Vision carrying it
Speaker 1: for a brief moment in Ultron. I think, Um, so
Speaker 1: what what what is your If you don't mind what changed?
Speaker 1: What do you think changed? He was honest with Tony
Speaker 1: the fact because he knew about Um the Winter Soldier
Speaker 1: and killing Tony's parents, and so he was lying and
Speaker 1: keeping a secret. And I think that I'm not even
Speaker 1: sure if the Hammer had a problem with it, but
Speaker 1: I think the Cap had a problem with it, and
Speaker 1: could would never have seen himself truly worthy Um because
Speaker 1: it was the only it was his only secret from
Speaker 1: the Avengers. It was really his only betrayal of the
Speaker 1: Avengers ever, and every time after that he's just very
Speaker 1: straightforward with him. It literally caused the Civil War between that,
Speaker 1: so that was mess. I think him coming clean about that,
Speaker 1: him kind of restoring things with Bucky, which we'll get
Speaker 1: to that in a minute. I think that his conscience
Speaker 1: is clear and he's good to move forward now. Nice
Speaker 1: I felt it was. My thought was that he's prideful.
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, I feel like Captain America has
Speaker 1: a lot of pride because it takes a certain level
Speaker 1: of pride for him to just like anything. I think
Speaker 1: he like, you know how you can be prideful and
Speaker 1: that's fine, but you just have too much pride. There's
Speaker 1: a confidence. And he never took an owl, you know,
Speaker 1: he never took an owl frozen and ice for eighty years.
Speaker 1: That's more. That's more of a pause. Like I mean,
Speaker 1: he like as far as for him fighting for justice,
Speaker 1: never took an owl, and Thanos handed him that l
Speaker 1: and it made him reevaluate everything he is. But I
Speaker 1: like yours better. I didn't like seeing Tony at the
Speaker 1: top in group therapy. The idea of like a man
Speaker 1: from that generation, and especially a guy that like a
Speaker 1: lot of maybe less well man kind of feels like
Speaker 1: the manliest man for him to be like and therapy
Speaker 1: talking to dudes about feelings and being like, you know,
Speaker 1: we should open up and talk and this is what
Speaker 1: I'm going to process my grief at those point and important. Yeah,
Speaker 1: speaking of which, I'm gonna touch on that moment, like,
Speaker 1: for a hot second, it was real. For for a
Speaker 1: hot second for me, it was real cool that, you know,
Speaker 1: one of the Russo's did that cameo and openly talked
Speaker 1: about a gay relationship, and then it fizzled out when
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's just another off screen gay relationship. Okay.
Speaker 1: So I have two really strong feelings about So. As
Speaker 1: a queer person, I think any attempt to celebrate this
Speaker 1: moment like it's our first gay character, sit, sit your
Speaker 1: whole last down. Uh. Netflix has had gay characters in
Speaker 1: your Marvel series, and to overlook them is a travesty.
Speaker 1: They did really awesome work. They had on screen relationships,
Speaker 1: They were complicated, They were much more than just being
Speaker 1: gay in a five second moment. However, I think that
Speaker 1: by the one of the User brothers playing the character
Speaker 1: himself is making a statement of like, we would really
Speaker 1: like to make strides in this. This is a global company.
Speaker 1: Disney has to please many, many, many, many many markets. Uh,
Speaker 1: you can still be killed for being queer in some places.
Speaker 1: A lot of places will not screen your movie if
Speaker 1: there is even one gay character in it. It's not
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like a win here, but this movie
Speaker 1: screening everywhere. I feel like it's a win other places.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I definitely people were like, no, it's great.
Speaker 1: It's like breaking down boundaries, like be excited. I'm not
Speaker 1: excited about it. But as far as Rouster Brothers being like,
Speaker 1: you know, we want to do more of this and
Speaker 1: we think it was important to try to fit something
Speaker 1: somewhere in here, like hats off to that, and yeah,
Speaker 1: and I definitely don't want to take anyone's double away,
Speaker 1: like if you feel great, by great, I just you know,
Speaker 1: I just want to hold the bar up a little
Speaker 1: hot welcome. I will welcome, I will welcome any you know,
Speaker 1: anything like this. I do want to say that we've
Speaker 1: talked about men crying in media, and I did appreciate
Speaker 1: how much they had of that, not only that scene
Speaker 1: with Joe Ruso talking about how he cried, and to me,
Speaker 1: it was like not even sad, it was kind of
Speaker 1: a beautiful thing to have someone you know sitting across
Speaker 1: from you that cries and then you cry too, and
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, this is just a state of
Speaker 1: where we're at and I feel like it is relatable
Speaker 1: to our world sometimes today with some of the horrors
Speaker 1: going on. But then Thor repeatedly crying like you know,
Speaker 1: getting to see and he's cried before, but just so openly,
Speaker 1: like you said, like the god of Thunder, this like
Speaker 1: super hyper masculine person, and that moment that he has
Speaker 1: with Hulk where Hulk is even like, um, you know
Speaker 1: you're in a rough spot and I've been there too,
Speaker 1: and you know who pulled me out of it? You did.
Speaker 1: I saw this movie yesterday. That's why I remember so
Speaker 1: much of these lines. Um. But it's seen these two
Speaker 1: super hyper masculine like men that are saying it's okay
Speaker 1: to cry, dude, I'm here for you. And I feel
Speaker 1: like a really I mean, they're super broly, especially with
Speaker 1: especially with Bruce and his new like, um, you know
Speaker 1: Haynes fitted teas and uh, which was funny. We got
Speaker 1: to we got two super hulked out men in essentially
Speaker 1: like Calvin Klein um soft cotton shirts which was fanos
Speaker 1: in his little cottage. I'm like, what is he doing?
Speaker 1: He's wearing this like Target brand whatever soft material loom
Speaker 1: h Someone pointed it out and It is hilarious when
Speaker 1: you think about it this way. But yet man's was
Speaker 1: just trying to make breakfast. He has spices, he has
Speaker 1: at Okay, I laughed out loud when he took the
Speaker 1: little salt and spices. I like laughed. It's such a
Speaker 1: nice touch. And also like this idea of what I
Speaker 1: like most about Thanos as a villain, and I think
Speaker 1: what steered some people in a weird direction on Ultron,
Speaker 1: Like Ultron is born to do one thing and immediately
Speaker 1: like corrupts that And it's just really basic for a
Speaker 1: robot to be like, does not compute destroy all humans.
Speaker 1: But for Thanos, it was really like I've seen a
Speaker 1: lot of terrible crap, and there were less people we
Speaker 1: would have to deal with, less of this crap. It's
Speaker 1: an awful utilitarian view of the galaxy. But it's also
Speaker 1: so justified in his mind that as a villain, you're like, crap. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Someone described to get away with this. Someone tweeted this
Speaker 1: and it made so much sense. Is Dan is a
Speaker 1: simple solution for a complex problem, which is essentially fascism.
Speaker 1: Like that and that is that he is a metaphor
Speaker 1: for fascism, a simple solution for a complex problem. Oh
Speaker 1: there's too many people. Just kill half of them, and
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna look so I'm being fair, are you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's because you're not. You're not allowing yourself to be
Speaker 1: selected in that you're not allowing any of your daughters
Speaker 1: to be selected. As a matter of fact, you didn't
Speaker 1: allow any of your homies to get snapped. You just
Speaker 1: said half of anyone except me. Although I think his
Speaker 1: homies all he would have their civilization and then pick
Speaker 1: his favorites. Yeah, yeah, I trually, I don't think that
Speaker 1: he cares. I mean, and also like sacrificing Gomra, he
Speaker 1: clearly doesn't. I mean, he does. He he has essentially
Speaker 1: had to care for that to work well. But it's
Speaker 1: so interesting that part of it, because I was thinking
Speaker 1: that too. It was like sacrifice what you love? Um.
Speaker 1: The fact that Nat and Clint like that was so one.
Speaker 1: That could have been really awkward. Yeah no, but like
Speaker 1: what if one of them didn't like and it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you didn't actually love them, so you didn't get the
Speaker 1: stone Hella awkward? That was wow. I would have been
Speaker 1: Florida something like that happened. But it's also crazy to
Speaker 1: me because in Nat and Clint, the sacrifice was a
Speaker 1: self sacrifice. Yeah? Really did that work? No, I'm that's
Speaker 1: exactly what I mean though, is about like how because
Speaker 1: I was weighing this in my head, I was trying
Speaker 1: to understand this part, like what if they had done
Speaker 1: roads and Nebula had switched, Like what if they were
Speaker 1: the ones that we're going to the soul stone? Right?
Speaker 1: So I was trying to like wagh that in my
Speaker 1: head of like how is this working? And essentially Nat
Speaker 1: pushed herself off although he saves her and she says
Speaker 1: let me go, right, and so he does have to
Speaker 1: physically do the letting go. No, she she like twisted
Speaker 1: her hand out of him and she kicked herself off.
Speaker 1: Of Anyways, we're getting really specific before and there's a
Speaker 1: lot of like little I was thinking of that exactly
Speaker 1: that like thought was in my head of like, oh,
Speaker 1: how is this going to work? And does it need
Speaker 1: to be someone like as in Clint's wife, for somebody
Speaker 1: like his child or I guess it's just like a
Speaker 1: friend that he loves. Um, I think it's anyone you'd
Speaker 1: say I love you. It doesn't have to be I think.
Speaker 1: But also there's no relationship with anybody he has like
Speaker 1: he has with Nat, like his wife is his wife
Speaker 1: and that's his his life partner. But not and him
Speaker 1: had both been through the grime, and he essentially turned
Speaker 1: into that after the Snap what she was doing like
Speaker 1: before she got into the Avengers, right, And so I
Speaker 1: think that they're the only ones who could fully understand
Speaker 1: each other's entire stories. Here's something that someone brought up
Speaker 1: in the discord that was something I did. Note. I
Speaker 1: even mentioned it in the Candy Dinner episode, so I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna mention it again. It was kind of weird
Speaker 1: he was only going after major people of color. It's
Speaker 1: like like it was it was the card tell and
Speaker 1: then it was no, that's that for life. I was like,
Speaker 1: we have like homegrown white national care exactly. I'm like
Speaker 1: in Mexico, my guy Japan just killed people. But but
Speaker 1: in the end it was like those are like the
Speaker 1: media cooler like ones. And obviously that's by design because
Speaker 1: of things like this, but it's like we all know
Speaker 1: Sicario and we all know Yakuza, and it's like all right,
Speaker 1: but I feel like they were like Japan makes a
Speaker 1: really cool backdrop. That's his total aesthetic because he's Ronan, remember,
Speaker 1: and he has let's have him have this samurai sword battle,
Speaker 1: my guy, you know, go toe to toe a little
Speaker 1: bit and not get sliced up. Listen, here's my other
Speaker 1: problem is, like I don't feel like Jeremy Renner embodied
Speaker 1: like a Ronan very well, like even his like sword movements.
Speaker 1: I've just watched way too much like anime and like
Speaker 1: Japanese shows to be like this just doesn't feel right.
Speaker 1: It's like really stiff. I just don't. I didn't care
Speaker 1: for the storyline at all. I just don't. It might
Speaker 1: just be my issues with Jeremy. I just didn't like it.
Speaker 1: I didn't care Jeremy. I don't even have beef a
Speaker 1: Jeremy Renner. I just don't enjoy him very much. If
Speaker 1: I'm kind of bland, how I thought Hawkeye had a
Speaker 1: lot of the same problems as Black Widow. It's just
Speaker 1: never really gotten fleshed out, and they get you with
Speaker 1: like it's his family, so it's going to be painful
Speaker 1: and everybody can identify that most people have a family,
Speaker 1: um except for Natasha. Natasha, So yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: it well. I honestly thought like a part of me
Speaker 1: was like, that's why she has to That's why they
Speaker 1: killed her because she doesn't have a family, you know.
Speaker 1: And so I thought that that was really fascinating not
Speaker 1: to go back to that scene. But I just I
Speaker 1: don't know why. It really just stuck out to me
Speaker 1: as like who's going to die? And Clinton was like
Speaker 1: it should be me, but he was the one that
Speaker 1: had kids and a wife and kids. And then it
Speaker 1: was kind of a bad commentary about us that aren't
Speaker 1: married with kids, and it's like, yeah, and I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that, it was just was like something that I
Speaker 1: took as an unmarried woman of like, oh if I
Speaker 1: you know, when you're watching these scenarios, are like, oh,
Speaker 1: I guess if if it were us, I guess I
Speaker 1: should sacrifice myself because you have a family that um.
Speaker 1: And so that but honestly, like it wasn't even a
Speaker 1: bad It was just like, you know, you put yourself
Speaker 1: in this scenario of this apocalyptic scenario of what I
Speaker 1: do this? Um, you have to go back to the
Speaker 1: New York Times articles the writers were talking about how
Speaker 1: they're like it would have just been way too melodramatic
Speaker 1: to introduces watch watch his family disappear and having like
Speaker 1: dark rage and die. Yeah, They're like it was just
Speaker 1: too melodramatic. And you know the way they hit set
Speaker 1: up with you know, her being like a reclusive and
Speaker 1: like this is your only family, Like, it makes sense
Speaker 1: for her to want to do like one good thing.
Speaker 1: And I guess, for my money, I understood what nat
Speaker 1: was doing like this whole time. The only thing we
Speaker 1: had seen about her doing is constantly trying to be
Speaker 1: a part of the team, and it seems consistent that
Speaker 1: she was trying to convince herself more than anyone that
Speaker 1: she was belonged here and part of the team. We
Speaker 1: saw Tryo and Nick when she was like you're gone,
Speaker 1: and that's not cool. You're essentially my surrogate father. I
Speaker 1: don't like that. Then we saw with Cap and she
Speaker 1: was like, no, we're gonna help get you acclimated this
Speaker 1: new world. You don't need to worry. We saw her
Speaker 1: all the time with Hawkeye, and so for her to
Speaker 1: be like, no, this is something I want to do,
Speaker 1: it makes sense for her character. I wasn't too upset
Speaker 1: at her death. I just wish we had more of
Speaker 1: her before it happened. We have to take another break
Speaker 1: and then we're going to hop into the rest of
Speaker 1: endgame right after that. And we're back and I know
Speaker 1: that everyone has talked about time travel. I've seen a
Speaker 1: lot of conversations about it. To me, I think if
Speaker 1: we were talking to the discord, it kind of follows me,
Speaker 1: uh dbz time travel laws where you could just pop
Speaker 1: up and leave as you no no no where if
Speaker 1: you go into a different It was kind of what
Speaker 1: um about her name? Who's um the bald? Yeah, the
Speaker 1: ancient one was kind of what the ancient one was saying, Um,
Speaker 1: if you affect this timeline like you're not. You might
Speaker 1: be helping your timeline, but you're gonna forever change the
Speaker 1: following the other timelines. Um. So this was my main
Speaker 1: question with even though cap win back and put all
Speaker 1: this the stones back, Gomra okay, so Gomra is dead
Speaker 1: in the current timeline. The one that we have is Gomra.
Speaker 1: So that timeline that Peter Quill that we saw get
Speaker 1: punched out, he will never fall in love with Gomra
Speaker 1: and she stays in our time, which I think she will.
Speaker 1: I think she's going to be in the next Guardians.
Speaker 1: I think she's gonna I think Peter is gonna fall
Speaker 1: like I think she's gonna fall in love with Peter again.
Speaker 1: I think that she has no reason to go back
Speaker 1: to her sister is dead, her dad is dead. I
Speaker 1: think Nebula the current. Nebulas in this time, so current
Speaker 1: and go more. I think is going to stay in
Speaker 1: this time. But what I'm saying is it's kind of
Speaker 1: sad for that Peter Quill who broke this down for me.
Speaker 1: So there's two There's two timeline theories they give you
Speaker 1: in the film, and that's why it's confusing and you
Speaker 1: had to be paying really close attention. So the first
Speaker 1: timeline theories when you projected the ancient one was like, listen,
Speaker 1: if you remove things, you're gonna f up and create
Speaker 1: a second timeline. That's what I was thinking about the
Speaker 1: whole movie. But Ash Croftsman was like, yeah, okay, but
Speaker 1: remember when Banner is having the conversation about time travel,
Speaker 1: where essentially he says, whatever you change just makes a change.
Speaker 1: So like, if your past self comes to the future,
Speaker 1: then your future becomes your past, and now you've created
Speaker 1: a new arc for yourself. So it's the same reason
Speaker 1: why Nebula isn't dead. Right now, which makes me upset
Speaker 1: because I cannot an astrophysicists and I can't quite write
Speaker 1: in my mind, you killed yourself, so you should be dead,
Speaker 1: both of you. But no, she created a different timeline. Well,
Speaker 1: it's even more so, it's not necessarily creating a different
Speaker 1: timeline because that that is what I is gonna quote
Speaker 1: is basically what Hulk was saying, was this idea of
Speaker 1: you going back in time changing things and it affecting
Speaker 1: your future isn't true because that moment where you go
Speaker 1: back in time is now your future. So so it
Speaker 1: is not necessarily creating a new timeline. It's almost as
Speaker 1: if you started it and went back and added it
Speaker 1: to your current timeline. So you experienced everything up until
Speaker 1: that point and came but everything that changes is just
Speaker 1: new if that makes But that timeline is still affected,
Speaker 1: the one that you have already lifted. No, the one
Speaker 1: that you pulled Gomra out of, she doesn't exist. She's
Speaker 1: not in anymore. If she stays in the present day,
Speaker 1: is there's not still a Gomra according to the Hulk,
Speaker 1: the way he said, it already happened. So you're just
Speaker 1: pulling go more into two thousand nineteen, but twen, all
Speaker 1: the events are almost destined, they've already happened, so you
Speaker 1: don't interrupt that. So so basically my only question was, Okay,
Speaker 1: so Peter will still get to have a Goma, and
Speaker 1: he probably will also get this go more like. So,
Speaker 1: I do think that she's gonna This is my thing
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna project that we've talked a little bit
Speaker 1: in discord. I do think she's going to pop back
Speaker 1: up in Guardians. I think that was a a little
Speaker 1: easter egg that they showed when it said searching for
Speaker 1: Gama at the very end, when you know, when Thor
Speaker 1: came onto the ship, um, when Peter was looking that
Speaker 1: was it said searching for he was looking for Goma.
Speaker 1: And I think that was an easter egg of she's
Speaker 1: going to pop up. She might not be leaving the
Speaker 1: ship with them with Nebula and Thor and Quill and
Speaker 1: Uh and Rocket and group, but I think that she will.
Speaker 1: I think that was the best way for them to
Speaker 1: be like, she's not dead, how are we going to
Speaker 1: get her back in here? How are we gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: finish out this franchise? And I think that was the way. Also,
Speaker 1: i'd imagine like Goma, if you went back to two
Speaker 1: thousand and fourteen Gomre and she just got realized that
Speaker 1: she's in the future and she's into this guy. She's
Speaker 1: not gonna just go back on the ship. I think
Speaker 1: she's like, I'm gonna leave, right, don't because like if
Speaker 1: you I go back and watch the Guardians, Like in
Speaker 1: the first one, it's all about, like we could be
Speaker 1: a team, and you know, if you want to go
Speaker 1: after your father, that's the thing we could do to like,
Speaker 1: but like, let's just try to figure this out. And
Speaker 1: then part two was all about, like we just have
Speaker 1: to admit that we love each other, Like can we
Speaker 1: just say the words and believe it it will be okay.
Speaker 1: And so I think the next one will be about
Speaker 1: him trying to figure out how to get her in
Speaker 1: a way that isn't brought together by tragedy, which will
Speaker 1: be really interesting because More's entire life has just been
Speaker 1: like one long tragic event and now she's on her
Speaker 1: own and she's got this level of independence, and I
Speaker 1: think that Peter's gonna have to come to terms with
Speaker 1: that and give her like space and time to figure
Speaker 1: out what she wants before she could even possibly begin
Speaker 1: to be in a relationship, Like what a crazy thing
Speaker 1: we pulled out of time, meet your sister, kind of
Speaker 1: become sisters, kill your father together, and then find out
Speaker 1: you have this entire life that you can't remember. It's
Speaker 1: just I just realized that we had two women that
Speaker 1: killed themselves, because Natasha killed herself and Nebula killed herself
Speaker 1: even though it wasn't like her, but she killed the
Speaker 1: other version of herself. I thought the saddest part of
Speaker 1: that when they were like, you know, you can change,
Speaker 1: and she was like, he won't let me, and it
Speaker 1: was just so her her character arc is just so tragic,
Speaker 1: it really is, And so it's at least exciting even
Speaker 1: though that Nebula didn't survive that this new Nebula with
Speaker 1: the next Guardians, I'm excited to see what will become
Speaker 1: of her character. Yeah, it's cool. It's exciting because like,
Speaker 1: even though she died, she was really just killing off
Speaker 1: a part of herself she never liked anyway. And it's
Speaker 1: to me, it's so much less tragic because it's something
Speaker 1: that she always wanted to shed. Even even the self
Speaker 1: who's like I can't change, desires to once to and
Speaker 1: so for her to be like, you know, this is
Speaker 1: gone and I'm just gonna be whoever I want to be.
Speaker 1: It's exciting and I hope we like I really like
Speaker 1: her in Guardians too, and she's like finally on her
Speaker 1: own and I'm gonna just sell these people and I'm
Speaker 1: over it. She's so badass, and I think we're gonna
Speaker 1: get a lot of that kind of like fun, badass
Speaker 1: Nebula that we haven't had a lot of time with.
Speaker 1: I love, aside from the cap first cap fight, the
Speaker 1: Nebula Nebula fight and then when she smacks her and um,
Speaker 1: she's like you're weak and she's like I'm you and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's such a good lie. That
Speaker 1: was so like such a put in your face. So
Speaker 1: many of those. It was so good too, because there
Speaker 1: were so many like fun bread crumbs that are just
Speaker 1: you're basically a lot of decisions were made based off
Speaker 1: of as things established way long, like the fact like
Speaker 1: you can sit there and be like, why was it
Speaker 1: so easy for Gomorra to just switch sides? Or you
Speaker 1: can go back and watch the movies and know that
Speaker 1: she never was on his side was so eat, Like
Speaker 1: the moment like she was like, Yo, Dan is trash.
Speaker 1: You knew, like, oh, she's gonna turn like there was
Speaker 1: no and I like that they did honor that there
Speaker 1: there they didn't. They didn't add no extra convincing. She
Speaker 1: just needs to hear that one line from the future
Speaker 1: to confirm like every yeah, it's bad if he wins,
Speaker 1: because every all the other movies have confirmed that Goamrea
Speaker 1: never really was rocking with him, and Nebula has figured
Speaker 1: out how to talk to her sister in such a
Speaker 1: way that she would be able to convince her in
Speaker 1: a couple of shorts. It did her so long to
Speaker 1: figure out, like how do I say I want to
Speaker 1: be your sister? You know you've hurt me so much.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to forgive you for that and
Speaker 1: also seek this relationship. But she's already lived on that
Speaker 1: and gotten over it, so she can just meet her
Speaker 1: like right where she is, which is great. Yeah, sorry,
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to just so excited about the good storytelling,
Speaker 1: but just also the simple fact that all she needed
Speaker 1: to get Gamara on her side is to be like
Speaker 1: in the future, we're good because and that all that
Speaker 1: honors that. That's all Gamora wanting god Moa. It was.
Speaker 1: That's one thing I do like about Gamara Nebulous there
Speaker 1: because it's such a relatable sibling storyline of like, y'all
Speaker 1: both kind of want the same thing, but you're manag
Speaker 1: each other and you don't know why. And you see
Speaker 1: so many siblings pitted together that way. You know, if
Speaker 1: you were the sibling that got better grades your sister,
Speaker 1: your little sibling hates you and you don't know why.
Speaker 1: You're just trying to be good and you're trying to
Speaker 1: connect and they don't want to connect with you because
Speaker 1: and it's all because of just how the parents kind
Speaker 1: of treat that. But you don't have any of that info,
Speaker 1: so you're just trying to communicate until you finally break through.
Speaker 1: So the fact that like Nebula came into this movie
Speaker 1: with the information of like, oh, she does love me,
Speaker 1: she just doesn't know why I do not like her.
Speaker 1: So if I just tell her we're it was I
Speaker 1: just like that. It's just such a product of good storytelling,
Speaker 1: speaking a good storytelling and complicated siblings. Can we talk
Speaker 1: about Loki sneak Off? It was so it was, like
Speaker 1: I said, there's a lot of fan service in this movie,
Speaker 1: and that was the most low key fan service you
Speaker 1: can do. And seeing him do be like okay, like
Speaker 1: the classic like oh my gosh, Bob Billion like creeper
Speaker 1: stock Off, like he's on tippy toes, hunched over, like
Speaker 1: sneaking out of frame. I'm like, this is comedic gold
Speaker 1: and it sets up so perfect, Like I feel like
Speaker 1: the way they left little threads for the Disney plus
Speaker 1: theory that give it give mels like even Scarlett, which
Speaker 1: is big moment we know that it should Is it
Speaker 1: Wanda Vision? Why didn't you call it Scarlet Vision? Disney?
Speaker 1: I never understand your decisions, but one division is coming,
Speaker 1: and I feel like with the stones being placed back,
Speaker 1: we could be very close to having the like the
Speaker 1: resurrection of vision. Um. She had such a great line
Speaker 1: of just you know you've ruined my life. I know
Speaker 1: you have taken everything, and you know before we were
Speaker 1: getting towards the end of this and I do want
Speaker 1: to wrap up one last thing. Another relationship thing that
Speaker 1: I thought closed up years almost got me in my
Speaker 1: fields was Tony and his dad, because that was it,
Speaker 1: like he just it was years of everything he thought
Speaker 1: about his father being cleared up. The moment he was like,
Speaker 1: I will do anything for that kid, and I'm just
Speaker 1: so consumed by my work that i cannot focus on them,
Speaker 1: but I do love that kid. I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, he needed to hear that. You re watched
Speaker 1: the scene from Civil War at the top where he creates.
Speaker 1: He creates a thing called BARF, which is a binary
Speaker 1: automated something or other. Basically, it's the thing he creates
Speaker 1: that connects with his hippocampus and it projects his parents,
Speaker 1: and he gets to tell his parents it's the last
Speaker 1: time he saw his parents. It's when they do the
Speaker 1: young Robert Downey jr. Uh And he gets to tell
Speaker 1: his parents like what he always wanted to say before
Speaker 1: they died, which was essentially Tony's actual words him were like,
Speaker 1: it's okay, dad, you did the best you could. Right,
Speaker 1: We're getting here. The last line he says to his
Speaker 1: dad is almost identical, but instead of just to walk off,
Speaker 1: his dad gets to respond. And if that doesn't just
Speaker 1: give you the shivers, Like, I just wrote this article
Speaker 1: about the legacy of Tony Stark because it didn't strike
Speaker 1: me how much I liked the character until his journey ended.
Speaker 1: Because to me, I'm like rich entitled white douchebag, Like okay,
Speaker 1: it's fine, Like Robert Downey juniors is Junior is infectious.
Speaker 1: Like you love his performance, you want to watch him.
Speaker 1: He's like a wonderful performer. But Tony Stark is constantly
Speaker 1: just running headlong into decisions and making giant mistakes and
Speaker 1: then really getting mad when people are like he wants
Speaker 1: to clean up his own mistakes, but he doesn't want
Speaker 1: to really take responsibility ever. You know, he's he's sorry
Speaker 1: that it happened, but like, I'll correct it and I'll
Speaker 1: do it by myself and it'll all be fine. And
Speaker 1: that constant like tripping over himself is always causing problems,
Speaker 1: and it's what makes his final snap so peak perfect,
Speaker 1: because one he's got the assurance that this is the
Speaker 1: only way. And we've seen Tony constantly through every Iron
Speaker 1: Man movie, through every Avengers movie, put his body on
Speaker 1: the line. He's willing to die for this cause, but
Speaker 1: it's never really been worth it. You didn't ever really
Speaker 1: have to You were never going to be the leader
Speaker 1: that Captain America just naturally was, but you didn't need
Speaker 1: to be. You are rebel in a patriot and that
Speaker 1: is so American and so close to the ideals that
Speaker 1: Captain America holds. Who was heart, It's so close to
Speaker 1: what your dad was always trying to achieve. Like all
Speaker 1: these heroes that he felt were so far away from
Speaker 1: him gave him the respect. I mean, the fact that
Speaker 1: what Cap does with his life after is just value
Speaker 1: Tony's message and Tony's agenda, and it's like, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna go and live a simple life because we all
Speaker 1: deserve to have that at some point. It is the
Speaker 1: most miraculous arc like it is. I hope that eventually
Speaker 1: we can get this with all of the characters. But
Speaker 1: the way they did it with Tony was perfect the most.
Speaker 1: I think the thing that made it the most perfect,
Speaker 1: the icing on the top, is the fact that Tony
Speaker 1: ends the way the m C You started. The m
Speaker 1: C you started at the end of iron Man when
Speaker 1: he says, I am iron Man, and the last line
Speaker 1: that Tony Stark says in the m C You is
Speaker 1: I am iron Man. Just all just who I got
Speaker 1: to breathe a second or I'm a just reaction, Okay,
Speaker 1: you could just go. Let's talk about that performance. I
Speaker 1: I compared this this performance akin to Jaggie Oh during
Speaker 1: Kennedy's death, which if you don't remember or she don't,
Speaker 1: you don't have to go look it up. I will
Speaker 1: explain what happens as she jumps to the back of
Speaker 1: the car and to grab a piece of his head.
Speaker 1: And when asked why, I was like, I didn't know.
Speaker 1: I just went into mode and I just thought it
Speaker 1: would help. And there's something about seeing Pepper Potts just
Speaker 1: everyone's freaking out, and she's like goes into puts all
Speaker 1: her emotions aside because she's like, this is all he
Speaker 1: needs to hear right now, and the moment she passed away,
Speaker 1: then her real emotion comes in that performance and just
Speaker 1: the realness of that of just like yeah, in a
Speaker 1: crisis time, you're like, no, first business then me. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And she has to stay strong because that's the last
Speaker 1: face that he saw, you know, she put her face
Speaker 1: like she moved Not that I don't love Peter Parker,
Speaker 1: but she moved Peter Parker to this side very much
Speaker 1: like gave him over, Like someone needs to take care
Speaker 1: of this kid. This is my time to be with
Speaker 1: my husband, Like this is my time to be with
Speaker 1: the one to be here right now. Peter like this
Speaker 1: is you don't see your mentor die. Yeah, this is,
Speaker 1: And so she made sure that is like so important.
Speaker 1: She was like this, she is the last face he's
Speaker 1: going to see and in order for him to rest
Speaker 1: and or he can't see her crying and feeling like
Speaker 1: everything is going to go, you know, he needs to
Speaker 1: see her okay, and she says we're going to be okay.
Speaker 1: But also in going in this great writing and constantly
Speaker 1: flipping the script, every single time that Tony has put
Speaker 1: his life on the line, he calls Pepper, and every
Speaker 1: single time she can't pick up the phone because she's
Speaker 1: always trying to save him. She's always trying to get
Speaker 1: back to him to save him. So this idea of
Speaker 1: this is the last time we even see at the
Speaker 1: top of this film, and even after he dies, he
Speaker 1: leaves her a message. He's always trying to reach Pepper,
Speaker 1: and so this idea that as he's dying, he doesn't
Speaker 1: have to teach her he's right. She's right there for him,
Speaker 1: and she's one giving him the message of it's going
Speaker 1: to be okay, and you can be strong and you
Speaker 1: can do what you need to do. It's it's just
Speaker 1: really beautiful, like their relationship as minimal as it's been his,
Speaker 1: it's been really lovely to watch. Yeah, And the thing,
Speaker 1: the last tiny thing I'm gonna say about Marvel in
Speaker 1: the m c U is just how awesome and dynamic
Speaker 1: not was it not only as a story of what
Speaker 1: it told, but also for Robert Downey Jr's career. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this m c YOU changed his life. He was like
Speaker 1: the laughing stock burnout in Hollywood. And I mean he
Speaker 1: was on the rise, but but like he was, but
Speaker 1: he definitely like you know, and not not like trying
Speaker 1: to trash him. I'm just saying like that that's just
Speaker 1: where he was to like this untouchable superstar who seems
Speaker 1: like he might be getting ready to retire. He can
Speaker 1: if he wants, or he can do whatever movie he wants.
Speaker 1: I just love just someone getting a second chance, like
Speaker 1: doing the work, getting a second chance and really showing
Speaker 1: us just how great he was, because not only was
Speaker 1: this a great movie, but his performance from when he's
Speaker 1: malnourished and this to coming back like you really it
Speaker 1: was great. And I didn't get to tweet this out,
Speaker 1: but what I wanted to say is in game felt
Speaker 1: like everyone saw Black Panther get that Oscar nob and
Speaker 1: was like, oh all right, because everyone brought their acting
Speaker 1: game like it's it transcended a quote unquote superhero movie
Speaker 1: to like as an actor, it inspired me, I would.
Speaker 1: I also love the fact that UM, Tony is so
Speaker 1: much of Robert Downey Jr. Like um, the fact that
Speaker 1: this man did get a second chance at life, Robert
Speaker 1: Downey Jr. Who was an alcoholic and he played an
Speaker 1: alcoholic and Tony Stark and like a man who's tormented
Speaker 1: do is pushed people away in his life to then
Speaker 1: come full circle in the way that I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, Robert Downey Jr. Has UM I was told
Speaker 1: that and I didn't know one. He had to like
Speaker 1: fight to audition for this, and I know that John
Speaker 1: Favre really believed in him. So he was a huge win.
Speaker 1: At the premier, John Favre when they announced him, like
Speaker 1: everybody like gave him a roaring applause because without him,
Speaker 1: I don't think that we would have UM. I didn't
Speaker 1: know that, and it makes happy and relationship UM. And
Speaker 1: then UM, I think that they wanted to go Marvel
Speaker 1: wanted to go with them, Tom Cruise, so that one
Speaker 1: man Um. I had this argument with Mark Ellis, who
Speaker 1: is a good friend of mine. He was on our
Speaker 1: Infinity War review. I believe Um he's the one that
Speaker 1: told me that and um he was like what, no,
Speaker 1: don't try and I'm like, no, Mark. It was so funny.
Speaker 1: Someone tweeted and was like, the characters are not the
Speaker 1: the actors, like, um, Chris Hemsworth is not Thor and
Speaker 1: Mark Ruffalo is not Hulk, but Robert Downey Jr. Is Yeah,
Speaker 1: like he is him. Everybody else is just but he
Speaker 1: is he is one with Yeah. I mean I can't
Speaker 1: imagine anyone. And yeah, Marvel made all of their all
Speaker 1: the royalty in the world we know people of color.
Speaker 1: Actually they're all black people. And it made me want
Speaker 1: to cry. H Valkyrie is King of Asgard right now. Uh.
Speaker 1: Nay More with a Koya was like, we're not worrying
Speaker 1: about those earthquakes. We don't do anything about earthquakes, don't
Speaker 1: check them out, don't look. I was like, Naymore is
Speaker 1: coming the Mariners here, like the way again. They just
Speaker 1: set up so many like little threads and little things
Speaker 1: for us to be so excited about and then for
Speaker 1: them to not give us anything at the end just
Speaker 1: tells me that they are cooking and you cannot wait
Speaker 1: to see what the next phase is going to bring,
Speaker 1: where their focus is going to be. But I think
Speaker 1: even as small as the queer representation was, uh, the
Speaker 1: amount of POC that had really like monumental positions in
Speaker 1: the Avengers now uh, including Sam getting Captain Shield, I
Speaker 1: feel like they're making a very strong statement at the
Speaker 1: end of the Infinity saga of like, yeah, we're coming
Speaker 1: for like disenfranchised people next minute. Our first half was
Speaker 1: very Caucasian, was very straight, but we see you and
Speaker 1: we're going to expand. So I really look forward to it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think that's our that's it. Um, what
Speaker 1: did you have? Tweet? Adams? You know, in the discord
Speaker 1: were already got the conversation going, so Discord do g
Speaker 1: slash Salt Squad, spoiler chat. Danny was getting it in.
Speaker 1: I knew I miss. I think I came back to
Speaker 1: two messages. It was about the time travel thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody went it was good. More I was like, no,
Speaker 1: she's coming back, trust me, even though my original question
Speaker 1: was like is she coming back? And then I was like,
Speaker 1: I thought y'all were gonna say she was, and this
Speaker 1: is why I need to prove to you that she is.
Speaker 1: Danny had charts and everything. Um, but yeah, you know me.
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Speaker 1: time to see you sit up yelling at the screen.
Speaker 1: I feel like there were a few people who stopped
Speaker 1: by and followed while I was in the middle of
Speaker 1: yelling about again. It was just me yelling mad. I
Speaker 1: think it was the final boss for far crying New
Speaker 1: dawnsting so mad. I was so mad. I was cursing,
Speaker 1: which you know if you listen to nartives and that's
Speaker 1: a whole new side of me that you're getting to learn.
Speaker 1: People coming to my chat and they're like, can we
Speaker 1: curse here? It was like, yeah, yeah, sorry, I went
Speaker 1: on a huge tangent. Get again. That's okay. Um. The
Speaker 1: only thing that I was going to plug is I
Speaker 1: wrote a really personal piece on how Endgame tackled um failure,
Speaker 1: lost in depression as someone that has depression, and that
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Speaker 1: I met miss Danny Fernandez, Joel. Where can everyone catch you? Yes?
Speaker 1: So many places. Colm join me on Twitter. I'm there
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Speaker 1: California doing uh commic Con Revolution. It's gonna be really awesome.
Speaker 1: I have four panels there. It's like Ladies of the
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Speaker 1: the guys of Um Samurai Jack and then also the
Speaker 1: voice of Darth Maul. So it's gonna be like a
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Speaker 1: small and most of the creators like hang out afterwards
Speaker 1: and talk to people. It's intimate and lovely. So if
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