Speaker 1: They Around the NFL podcast spent too much time in
Speaker 1: the sun. Welcome to another edition of Around the NFL.
Speaker 1: I am Dan Hans's I have a reddish hue to
Speaker 1: my pale skin tone, joined as always by a man
Speaker 1: who always looks a little pale on camera, Greg Rosenthal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've changed the locations. If you watch us on YouTube,
Speaker 2: you can see my new garage setup. But I still
Speaker 2: haven't found the correct lighting to give me the color
Speaker 2: that I truly have.
Speaker 3: You do get quite dark in the summer there, Danny.
Speaker 1: I do. I do. Let's see if we can do better. Though.
Speaker 1: Let's welcome in another man who has to be very
Speaker 1: careful in the sun, and if you have to be
Speaker 1: careful in the weight room when he's around you. Yes,
Speaker 1: one of our favorites. It's a great Nick Shook, what's up, Bud?
Speaker 4: I am wearing a hat because I was not careful
Speaker 4: in the sun in la last minute.
Speaker 1: There he is, Shookie Shooky, of course, is invaluable on
Speaker 1: our Sunday flagship programs helping out watching games, talking about
Speaker 1: him and that will be coming back, and my goodness,
Speaker 1: less than two months, and Shook, it's great to have
Speaker 1: you here. I have to say you come on a
Speaker 1: great day for the NFL, on a great day for
Speaker 1: Commanders fans, because yes, it's happening. It's over today. According
Speaker 1: to PFT and other outlets, the owners will vote to
Speaker 1: approve the sale of the Washington Commanders from Daniel Snyder
Speaker 1: to Josh Harris. It's happening. There's a vote going down
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. So it is a bright horizon for the
Speaker 1: Commanders and the NFC East Heads up, guys, it's about
Speaker 1: to change, because well could change, could it be worse? Shook?
Speaker 1: The Commanders are about to be free of Snyder.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, stop new stadium. Everything's looking up for them.
Speaker 4: Maybe we'll see, but I mean to eliminate what was
Speaker 4: essentially an albatross from them in the form of ownership.
Speaker 4: It's great, it's fantastic. You don't have to worry about
Speaker 4: it anymore. Now you can move forward, start the new era.
Speaker 2: I mean, they could go six and eleven, and I
Speaker 2: feel like this is gonna be the greatest year for
Speaker 2: the Washington franchise since the nineties. Like, no matter what happens,
Speaker 2: and they might be kind of frisky, maybe maybe we'll
Speaker 2: even get to that. But they might be, they might
Speaker 2: be frisky, and as recently as a week ago, there
Speaker 2: was some thought this could get gummied up and messed
Speaker 2: up at the last second. So hopefully we're taping this
Speaker 2: before that official meeting. Hopefully they don't bang us here.
Speaker 2: But we've celebrated this a few times now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this time I think it's gonna happen. And
Speaker 1: it comes a week after I don't know if you
Speaker 1: guys talked about it last week, but the ESPN deep
Speaker 1: dive on how Snyder nearly survived but made a few
Speaker 1: crucial missteps in the last couple of years that opened
Speaker 1: the door for the owners to finally make the move.
Speaker 1: So Josh Harris is about to take over the Commander's
Speaker 1: kind of the Big News today and with Nick Shook here,
Speaker 1: you know, I mentioned Gregy or I pulled out some
Speaker 1: of my father's old LP albums on the Monday program,
Speaker 1: and I thought with Nick here because Nick Gregy has,
Speaker 1: as we say, play such a vital role on our
Speaker 1: Sunday night shows. But I think it's important that the
Speaker 1: audience gets to know Nick more. Do you agree with that.
Speaker 2: Greg, Yeah, it's a weird thing where he's like a
Speaker 2: relief pitcher that we only bring in during the World Series,
Speaker 2: like in our biggest, highest octane moments, but for some
Speaker 2: reason he doesn't get enough regular season.
Speaker 1: It ands I with you, Manuel class a type that's
Speaker 1: a shock to us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, except I have a slider and not just a
Speaker 4: cutter and a fastball, and I mean I have some
Speaker 4: more breaking stuff, not just one hundred and three miles
Speaker 4: an hour.
Speaker 1: So instead shook of me sharing some of my dad's
Speaker 1: old records, please share with the audience and us your
Speaker 1: top three Desert Island albums. If you had to take
Speaker 1: three albums records with you for the rest of time,
Speaker 1: what would they be?
Speaker 4: Well ahead of the time, as anybody has it has
Speaker 4: experienced when they've considered this scenario, you need something that
Speaker 4: has longevity, something that you can listen to no matter
Speaker 4: the mood, something that could potentially set the mood get
Speaker 4: you through one more day out there on the Desert Island. Right,
Speaker 4: So we're going to go first off the top of
Speaker 4: the list, a semi recent album. This is Tyler the
Speaker 4: Creators I think it was twenty seventeen album flower Boy,
Speaker 4: which is wow masterpiece front to back. You can debate
Speaker 4: me on it all day. It should have won an award.
Speaker 4: It was nominated, it didn't win the Grammy it deserved
Speaker 4: because Kendrick Lamar happened to release an album that year
Speaker 4: and it went to him. That's his best album top
Speaker 4: front to back. It's fantastic here is that at any time.
Speaker 4: Number two on this list, we're gonna come out of
Speaker 4: the same collective of sorts, the La Kids ego Death
Speaker 4: by the Internet, a group that has since gone on
Speaker 4: to do their own step deeps. This is also another
Speaker 4: great album front to back. All these people in this
Speaker 4: group individually talented. This is the same collective that Frank
Speaker 4: Osin came from too, not the Internet specifically, but Odd Future,
Speaker 4: you know, as a whole. So that's a great album
Speaker 4: as well. I highly suggested. And number three Good Kid,
Speaker 4: Mad City by Kendrick Lamar his best album, an album
Speaker 4: I saw perform live in college because he wasn't big
Speaker 4: enough to get outside of Kent State back in the day.
Speaker 4: A fantastic album as well. Tons of bangers on there love.
Speaker 1: It, beautiful choices there, Shook and perhaps an all time
Speaker 1: backfire for you. Greg. Famously Greg likes rap and you've
Speaker 1: had that corner I mean, you've been on that corner
Speaker 1: for this program, and now here comes Shook, not just
Speaker 1: with like basic stuff, but kind of going deep and
Speaker 1: showing his knowledge of rapp and hip hop culture. You're
Speaker 1: a little upset, I know, impressed probably, but also maybe
Speaker 1: deep down it's bothering you a little bit that Shook
Speaker 1: just dropped the hammer on your ace.
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like it's bothering you. You're the
Speaker 2: one that put me on the Greggs rap corner. You're right, Uh,
Speaker 2: Shook Legs rap bother me. There's no way I'm going
Speaker 2: all three rap albums on my desert list. So so
Speaker 2: I think Shook officially likes rap more because he's talking
Speaker 2: about setting the mood, I mean, setting the mood for
Speaker 2: what a little like self love if anything. Then you
Speaker 2: want a little variety, You want a little variety. But
Speaker 2: but uh, Ego death by who is that again? Because
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna listen to that album and I'm hoping,
Speaker 2: even though it hurts that you're taking that corner that
Speaker 2: you add to my my musical enjoyment this week by
Speaker 2: listening to some internet the.
Speaker 4: Internet, you'll find, uh, You'll find that it's not. It's
Speaker 4: more like it's it's almost neo soul, not quite there.
Speaker 4: It's a it's a blend between that and hip hop.
Speaker 1: So there's perhaps we learned today that Greg likes rap. Well,
Speaker 1: we knew that, but Shook loves rap.
Speaker 3: I do like Tyler though I'm a big I like
Speaker 3: that album. That's great.
Speaker 1: Let's do some news. Raven's trying to end it here.
Speaker 1: She'll tell you step so Colton.
Speaker 4: Pros it's complete cultortd Tyler Toyd.
Speaker 1: Tons down remarkable. The Cincinnati Bengals have stunned this crowd.
Speaker 1: Any Dolty delivers he has. We learned on Monday that
Speaker 1: there's at least one player in the NFL that've used
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton as a future Hall of Famer. That's my
Speaker 1: favorite Dalton Bengals memory. Twenty seventeen, knocking the Ravens out
Speaker 1: of the playoffs in Baltimore, putting the Bills in for
Speaker 1: the first time in a couple decades with that miracle
Speaker 1: strike at M and T Bank Stadium. Shook he might
Speaker 1: not be making the Hall, but he'll always have that moment,
Speaker 1: driving a stake through the heart of the Baltimore Ravens
Speaker 1: as a Browns fan, I'm sure you enjoyed watching that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because the Bills ended up getting back to the
Speaker 4: playoffs before the Browns did at that time. The Browns
Speaker 4: most recent time was two thousand and two. So understanding
Speaker 4: the drought and what you go through in the in
Speaker 4: the pure joy when you finally get through, when somebody
Speaker 4: else helps you. It was a great moment. And yeah,
Speaker 4: if it happens to a division rival, as it did, yeah,
Speaker 4: it just cherry on the top.
Speaker 2: One little note here is just like if someone were
Speaker 2: rude enough to try to make the case against Andy
Speaker 2: Dalton as a Hall of Famer, you know, if he
Speaker 2: does come up, I do think you could point out
Speaker 2: he's zero to four in his four playoff games. The
Speaker 2: highest his team scored in any of those games was
Speaker 2: thirteen points. He's had one touchdown and six interceptions and
Speaker 2: took twelve sacks.
Speaker 3: I don't know why Andy thought they need to do that.
Speaker 2: I just I just drew it up and I was like, well,
Speaker 2: we can't get a better moment than Andy Dalton.
Speaker 3: But no, actually that was the best moment.
Speaker 1: That was just totally unnecessary.
Speaker 4: Greg, what is this the Basketball.
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame? It was worse that I thought though.
Speaker 2: I was just like, I've just thought i'd bring up
Speaker 2: the old postseason game lag.
Speaker 3: I was like, was it really that bad? And it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: was that bad?
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. You know. I went to just pull
Speaker 1: up some news on Zach Martin, the star guard of
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, who may be holding out instead, I accidentally
Speaker 1: pulled up a NFL dot com article about Zach Martin
Speaker 1: joining the ninety nine club for Madden What. I understand
Speaker 1: that things are slow right now and they're just starting
Speaker 1: to pick up. The Jets reported for camp yesterday speaking
Speaker 1: of the Browns shook Mia with the opportunity to report,
Speaker 1: choosing to instead rest on their laurels on last season's success. Apparently.
Speaker 1: I don't know where you come down on that, but yeah,
Speaker 1: can we calm down with the Madden rankings and using
Speaker 1: that as news fodder and listen, we do a podcast
Speaker 1: throughout the off season. I understand it's hard to come
Speaker 1: up with content, but Madden Video game developers choosing the
Speaker 1: number and then us doing tons of articles and conversations
Speaker 1: on it on sports shows. Do we need it? I
Speaker 1: don't think we need it.
Speaker 4: I feel like this is planned because I'm here because
Speaker 4: this is my corner and I'm leading this coverage and
Speaker 4: working with EA on this. Like this is just I mean,
Speaker 4: not you.
Speaker 1: Know, unintentional shook, but maybe important that we're having this conversation.
Speaker 4: I went out there and played the new game last
Speaker 4: month in their studios. I know, yeah, I'll tell you, Dan,
Speaker 4: it's awkward. We're supporting them, you know, let's get through
Speaker 4: this awkward moment together. We're supporting the league's official product,
Speaker 4: the official licensed video game of the NFL, MAD NFL
Speaker 4: twenty four, available in August.
Speaker 3: WHOA, that was weird.
Speaker 2: He's officially the first guard ever to be ninety nine. Well,
Speaker 2: this is this is back to our metric days. It's
Speaker 2: the same reason why Terrell Pryor got a lot of articles.
Speaker 2: Those Madden articles do great.
Speaker 1: They do great. The Peyton Hill is the number of
Speaker 1: articles written about Peyton Hill is being the Madden cover
Speaker 1: boy in twenty twelve. I have carpal tunnel syndrome from it.
Speaker 1: Still anyway. Six time All Pro, eight time Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: guard Zach Morton reportedly unhappy with this current compin and
Speaker 1: will consider skipping training camp. According to ESPN's Adam schefter,
Speaker 1: a source also told Schefter that Martin believes quote he
Speaker 1: is woefully underpaid relative to the market. Shook, you do
Speaker 1: great work in addition to your tireless efforts promoting the
Speaker 1: Madden brand, and it's a yearly product. You know the
Speaker 1: meat and potatoes of the game, the trenches better than anyone.
Speaker 1: Is certainly better than us. Tell us about what makes
Speaker 1: Zach Martin special and whether you think he deserves more
Speaker 1: money for what he does.
Speaker 4: Consistency more than anything. Guys is frequently available, and this
Speaker 4: is an offensive line that's undergone a ton of changes.
Speaker 4: Not only that, but he's playing at a high level
Speaker 4: when he's available throughout his career. Number of all pros
Speaker 4: as he just listed Pro Bowl appearances. Guy gets the
Speaker 4: ninety nine rating for a reason in Madden because he
Speaker 4: is one of the best and has been one of
Speaker 4: the best for quite some time now. And I think
Speaker 4: you should pay somebody like that, especially when you lose
Speaker 4: your left tackle every other year, you lose your right
Speaker 4: tackle every other year. You have to shift the offensive line,
Speaker 4: and one guy you don't have to really worry about
Speaker 4: moving around for Zach Martin's gonna always be a good guard.
Speaker 2: I'd like a little extra like drama heading into Oxnard.
Speaker 2: You know, they always have the It's like other Cowboys
Speaker 2: are getting off there playing in ox Snard. It's a
Speaker 2: big day here in southern California. And now, like there
Speaker 2: aren't many holdouts anymore in the NFL. But if you're
Speaker 2: gonna hold out, if you can do it when you're
Speaker 2: like a future Hall of Fame guy who's already made
Speaker 2: twenty million dollars, and you know that the Joneses would
Speaker 2: never hold it against you. They're never gonna actually find
Speaker 2: him because and he knows that, and so he's gonna
Speaker 2: skip it if you can.
Speaker 1: And that offensive line shook has regressed in recent years.
Speaker 1: It was one of the best in the league. So
Speaker 1: Mart seen more in part important because he is the
Speaker 1: anchor there. He doesn't miss much time at all. He's
Speaker 1: only missed eight games in his career. So you know,
Speaker 1: at a time we'll get to a little bit later,
Speaker 1: you know, the running backs and that ongoing storyline this summer,
Speaker 1: use your leverage when you can. And the Cowboys they'd
Speaker 1: like you know, unlike some teams, they sometimes go out
Speaker 1: of their way to take care of their stars, even
Speaker 1: if it hurts him. In the long term. So I
Speaker 1: think Martin's probably making the right move, making noise while
Speaker 1: he can.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he's nearing thirty three, turns thirty three
Speaker 4: in November, so like there's the time to cash in
Speaker 4: is now. This is the moment to get your last
Speaker 4: big contract and you know, maximize your value and play
Speaker 4: good football until the wheels fall off, because offensive line
Speaker 4: is one of the toughest positions, and it's there's a
Speaker 4: reason that we pay attention to Jason Kelsey, whether it's
Speaker 4: coming back every year. Yeah, he still plays an elite level,
Speaker 4: but he's old. It's hard to stay in the league
Speaker 4: that long at that position.
Speaker 1: In other news, Greg, do you remember Draft Night? I
Speaker 1: want to say the pandemic year.
Speaker 3: I know, where are you going with this? And yes
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 1: Yes. My father in law a great man, raised an
Speaker 1: incredible woman, my wife Emily Bob Bates dds he retired.
Speaker 1: He came on our program on Draft Night at the
Speaker 1: end of the conclusion of the twenty twenty draft and
Speaker 1: the Jets is selected why receiver Denzel Mims out of Baylor,
Speaker 1: and my father in law was raving about Denzel Mims
Speaker 1: and his abilities and his production while with the Bears
Speaker 1: down there in Waco and said he'd be a star.
Speaker 1: And I have to connect with g Bob for official
Speaker 1: comment on this. It never worked out for the Jets.
Speaker 1: He's totaled only forty two catches for six hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy six yards without a touchdown in three years, and
Speaker 1: yet because of his pedigree second round pick, he stuck
Speaker 1: around well no longer. The Jets moved him in a
Speaker 1: trade to the Detroit Lions. The Lions sent a conditional
Speaker 1: sixth rounder for the Jets seventh rounder in twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: per rap sheet, And we learned today that the Jets
Speaker 1: or the Lions only have to pay up their draft
Speaker 1: pick that conditional pick if Mims makes the team, which
Speaker 1: is no guarantee. So Denzel Mims joins the Lions, but
Speaker 1: we'll see if he makes the team and the Jets
Speaker 1: wide receiver room continues to evolve.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Lesser remembered for good reason on that night, was
Speaker 2: was me supporting your boy, Bob Bates.
Speaker 3: I can call him your boy. Can you call your
Speaker 3: father in law your boy?
Speaker 1: I would not, It seems a little overly chummy. Uh,
Speaker 1: he's more a figure of respect.
Speaker 2: Right if I if I called Watson Abvis on that,
Speaker 2: actually I may no longer be in the family.
Speaker 1: You bring great disgrace to the family.
Speaker 2: I supported him on this. Denzel Mims take. I like
Speaker 2: Denzel Mims coming out of college. I should have known
Speaker 2: Baylor wide receivers coming out of college. For whatever reason, Uh,
Speaker 2: it just hasn't worked. I hope Taekwon Thornton breaks that
Speaker 2: streak for the Patriots, but so far, not so good.
Speaker 2: Corey Coleman was kind of a bus There was one
Speaker 2: more too. I guess Josh Gordon should have been good.
Speaker 1: Uh player.
Speaker 2: I hate my least favorite thing about stories like this
Speaker 2: is everyone being like, hey, you gotta hand it to
Speaker 2: Joe Douglas. You gotta hand it to Yeah, he always
Speaker 2: gets some value always.
Speaker 1: That's really a thing that seems a little strong man.
Speaker 2: Yeah out there he got the A six to seventh
Speaker 2: round pick is nothing.
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's fine, it's better than not getting anything,
Speaker 2: but it's as little as you can get. Once you
Speaker 2: get in the middle of those draft, they're trading those
Speaker 2: like seventh round picks around like Pez Dispenser's.
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter.
Speaker 4: Isn't it fun that a Jets team that was lacking
Speaker 4: for receivers just a few years ago is now just
Speaker 4: jetsoning receivers in the offseason left and right because they
Speaker 4: they've upgraded. They're better now. They don't need those guys
Speaker 4: that didn't produce immediately.
Speaker 2: Well, Cory Davis actually sticks. That's my one thing I
Speaker 2: want to say, and this makes.
Speaker 1: Sense, I'd say that I have, you know, concerns that
Speaker 1: Elijah Moore reaches his potential in Cleveland. It's certainly possible.
Speaker 1: He's very talented, so I would say I'm a little
Speaker 1: worried about that. I'm not so worried about mims teaming
Speaker 1: of a Jared Goff to Wreek havoc in Motown. But
Speaker 1: we shall see the Steelers doing some business. Alex high
Speaker 1: Smith had a breakout season in twenty twenty two, and
Speaker 1: the Steelers have agreed to terms with the pass rusher
Speaker 1: on a four year, sixty eight million dollar extension. Rap
Speaker 1: Sheet reported on Wednesday. The team confirm the news. High
Speaker 1: Smith was entering the final year of his rookie deal
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, and now shook he is among
Speaker 1: the top highest paid pass rushers in the NFL. Your
Speaker 1: thoughts on high Smith and the move.
Speaker 4: Fourteen and a half sacks in a year in which
Speaker 4: he operated largely without TJ.
Speaker 1: Watt.
Speaker 4: That's pretty good numbers. This is a guy who I
Speaker 4: think had the raw ability and needed to just kind
Speaker 4: of acclimate and getting a full NFL body. He looked
Speaker 4: really good at the combine and given the opportunity to
Speaker 4: really show off his skills without Watt on the other side,
Speaker 4: he performed. He produced, and now they're gonna get wapped
Speaker 4: back and we got two really good edge rushers, so
Speaker 4: they're gonna pay him as such because again they're not
Speaker 4: paying a quarterback, so they have a little bit more
Speaker 4: money to spend.
Speaker 2: I do like when teams have like a consistent profile
Speaker 2: and them having two great outside linebacker edge rushers has
Speaker 2: basically been the story of the Steelers for most of
Speaker 2: the last fifteen years. And high Smith steps right, and
Speaker 2: I feel like not a lot of people know him.
Speaker 2: He got better and better every year. Wasn't that, you know,
Speaker 2: highly touted coming out of college and laugh year was awesome.
Speaker 1: And finally in the news yes, I went with an
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton highlight for the news drop today. Perhaps Chad
Speaker 1: Johnson deserves love too, he was a big time performer
Speaker 1: for Cincinnati in the previous decade. Dalton Love thrown to
Speaker 1: Chad Johnson or Chad Ocho Cinco, and he will be
Speaker 1: inducted into the team's Ring of Honor on September twenty fifth,
Speaker 1: the team announced Thursday. Also being inducted is Boomer Siason,
Speaker 1: former league MVP Nearly took the team to an incredible
Speaker 1: upset victory over the forty nine Ers in Super Bowl
Speaker 1: twenty three. Frankly and I love Boomer. He went to
Speaker 1: the Jets. He was declining at that time, but he
Speaker 1: was a fun player to watch and a real New
Speaker 1: York guy. Grew up in Long Island in West Hempstead.
Speaker 1: I don't know why he wasn't in the Ring of
Speaker 1: our Honor already. I don't know if there was some
Speaker 1: heat between Cincinnati and Boomer at some point, but both
Speaker 1: men go in two rock solid additions, greg because Johnson
Speaker 1: and Boomer very memorable players in their respective eras.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, is there a backstory if I'm if
Speaker 2: I'm if I'm Boomers Sias And I'm almost annoyed that, like,
Speaker 2: I'm going in the same time as Chad Johnson. I
Speaker 2: think it does have to do with Assias and asked
Speaker 2: for a trade out of Cincinnati. You know that he
Speaker 2: forced his way out. He set the playbook that Carson
Speaker 2: Palmer would later follow, and grumbled a little bit about ownership.
Speaker 3: So it took a while, but it's good to see.
Speaker 1: I have some info just so we're this is very
Speaker 1: Cincinnati as well, although of course they've kind of gotten
Speaker 1: their act together now they have a potential Ring of
Speaker 1: Honor quarterback in his prime right now. But Cincinnai didn't
Speaker 1: even establish their Ring of Honor until twenty twenty, so okay,
Speaker 1: maybe Boomer should have been part of the first class
Speaker 1: or whenever that was, but yeah, that or twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he got in in one of the first groups.
Speaker 1: So I guess we could stand down a little bit.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say it felt like Burrow's arrival woke
Speaker 4: up the Bengals to the fact that they're an NFL franchise,
Speaker 4: and they've been steadily improving their club since then. They
Speaker 4: renamed their stadium with you know, they got the corporate dollars,
Speaker 4: the build the practice facility. Now they're doing the Ring
Speaker 4: of Honor. You know, they're getting up to speed now.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite parts of this, and it makes
Speaker 2: me feel a little old at like Chad Johnson is
Speaker 2: old enough to do this, because I do think people
Speaker 2: remember him more for changing his name and the touchdown
Speaker 2: celebrations and kind of forget he had about seven seasons
Speaker 2: where he had Hall of Fame production. I think he's
Speaker 2: a legit Hall of Fame conversation, He'll probably be on
Speaker 2: the edge, but like thirteen hundred yard type seasons a.
Speaker 3: Year after year.
Speaker 2: But this also reminded me that Corey Dillon absolutely destroyed
Speaker 2: Mike Brown like two weeks ago for not being part
Speaker 2: of their Ring of Honor. I don't know if he
Speaker 2: knows they just started a few weeks ago, but on
Speaker 2: this he called it BS and he was very upset
Speaker 2: about being held out of there. He said, I'm pretty
Speaker 2: sure they will put effing John Kittna in there before
Speaker 2: they put me. A matter of fact, Scott Mitchell will
Speaker 2: end up in that mother effer before I do.
Speaker 3: That was Corey Dillon. A few I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Why I challenge, Why challenge a team to hold you out?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna name some guys. This is good stuff here
Speaker 1: from the Athletic Paul Denner Jr. Who has been on
Speaker 1: the show. I believe correct, Yeah, yeah, here are some
Speaker 1: guys if they're assuming Cincinnati goes with two guys a
Speaker 1: year in the Ring of Honor. Some names that are
Speaker 1: out there Corey Dillon obviously, but it might have to
Speaker 1: simmer down a little bit. Uh. This is for Chris
Speaker 1: Westling's brothers back in the West Side of Cincinnati. Jim Breach,
Speaker 1: James Brooks, Chris Collinsworth, David Fulcher, Tim Crumrae, Dave Lapham,
Speaker 1: Max Montoya, Lamar Parrish, Bob Trumpy, Reggie Williams. All will
Speaker 1: remain from the original list of nominees. Those are some
Speaker 1: guys capital esque capital G.
Speaker 4: I was thinking TJ. Housman Zata might make it in there.
Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe not.
Speaker 1: Yet on the list, but will be on the list
Speaker 1: eventually when they hit whatever. You know, maybe it's five years.
Speaker 4: Like they can all second facade within the stadium where
Speaker 4: they put the names on right.
Speaker 1: Geno Atkins, AJ Green, Andrew Whitworth all feel like future additions,
Speaker 1: but they are not eligible yet. So we have you
Speaker 1: totally covered on the Cincinnati Bengals Ring of Honor beat.
Speaker 3: I'm glad.
Speaker 2: We threw it out there six straight eleven hundred yard
Speaker 2: seasons and most of those four of those were over
Speaker 2: thirteen hundred yards.
Speaker 3: That's pretty good, jud Jets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Boomer was unbelievable. In nineteen eighty eight, he
Speaker 1: won League MVP and I still, yes, I still picture
Speaker 1: his final pass of the Dan Reno fake spike game
Speaker 1: going through the back of the end zone and through
Speaker 1: the uprights at Giants Stadium, kind of rubber stamped, like
Speaker 1: his legacy in New York being the QB of that
Speaker 1: team in that game. However, you know it worked out
Speaker 1: for Boomer, who's a fantastically successful radio guy in New
Speaker 1: York and obviously get paid, gets paid a lot for
Speaker 1: by CBS as well. Boomer's doing all right, all right,
Speaker 1: We're doing all right. Let's take a break. We'll be
Speaker 1: right back.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Around the NFL. This is our last
Speaker 1: remote show. I'm in Jersey. I'm in Jersey. That's my Springsteen.
Speaker 1: Greg back in California, Shook in Ohio. We'll all be
Speaker 1: back next week. I've booked by the Way Gregy, one
Speaker 1: of our favorite guests and one of my favorite segments.
Speaker 1: We'll be back at Connor Orr will be joining us
Speaker 1: next week for Team Slogans for twenty twenty three, so
Speaker 1: make sure you're there for that. Everybody.
Speaker 2: It's Big Monday, Yeah in the studio, and I guess
Speaker 2: we assume Sessler's you know, we'll return from his family trip,
Speaker 2: but you never know.
Speaker 1: It's just an assumption. And as you might expect, the
Speaker 1: Hard Knocks podcast will also be returning in a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. That just so happens that the New York
Speaker 1: Jets are the team, so kind of works out nicely
Speaker 1: there for Zeuser getting an entire sub podcast series based
Speaker 1: off coming off the Around the NFL Tree. Connie and
Speaker 1: I will be doing weekly recaps every Tuesday, and we'll
Speaker 1: be doing a preview show that's gonna land soon, so
Speaker 1: that's exciting housekeeping. Finally, this is the Nick Shook episode
Speaker 1: this summer, and we're getting to no Shook. We have
Speaker 1: a segment that's a playoff is name, which is just
Speaker 1: spicy as hell, Gregy whenever you could play off one
Speaker 1: of the great last names in the industry. But before
Speaker 1: we get to that, we heard his three Desert Island albums,
Speaker 1: very hip hop heavy. He loves rap, Greg likes it,
Speaker 1: Shook loves it. That's been noted. Now it's time for
Speaker 1: Shook's three favorite sitcoms of all time. Now, what era
Speaker 1: we going? We're going all time, Shooky were going retro
Speaker 1: era decades.
Speaker 4: Tell me what you guy, Now, we followed your suggested
Speaker 4: format of nineties, two thousands and two. And there's gonna
Speaker 4: be a little bit of blurring at the lines here
Speaker 4: because some of these had been running for quite some
Speaker 4: time and could you know, encompass multiple decades. But starting
Speaker 4: with the nineties, what choice is there other than Seinfeld,
Speaker 4: one of the greatest sitcoms of all time, dominated the decade,
Speaker 4: incredible ratings. In the final episode. People were watching it
Speaker 4: in Times Square when they had ctvs that were jumbotrons
Speaker 4: and big squares. It was great. It's a great show.
Speaker 1: I still watch it all the time and Shure, you're
Speaker 1: you're significantly younger by I think, like a decade of
Speaker 1: Greg and I something like that. I remember that night specifically,
Speaker 1: when Seinfeld went off the air in May of ninety eight.
Speaker 1: I had a baseball game. I was a high school senior,
Speaker 1: and everybody was like racing back from the baseball game
Speaker 1: to get home to watch the finale of Seinfeld, and
Speaker 1: it was, you know, not the best, but it was
Speaker 1: a very Looking back, it's very hard to close out
Speaker 1: a show like that with that amount of hype around
Speaker 1: the finale. But I also remember Frank's and I died
Speaker 1: that night, and it was like this huge cultural moment
Speaker 1: where maybe the greatest entertainer of the twentieth century.
Speaker 2: I think you just broke the news to shook based
Speaker 2: on the look on his face, Frank Sinatra is dead.
Speaker 1: It's Frank Sinatra. Sinatra dies the same day Seinfeld ends,
Speaker 1: which is the last great sitcom of the twentieth century.
Speaker 4: That's you know, that was a big day, harrowing news
Speaker 4: from the ABC News.
Speaker 2: I love that you threw that out there, but it
Speaker 2: does remind me of one of my all time favorite
Speaker 2: or are you kidding me? Segments where Connor just spent
Speaker 2: ten minutes destroying Seinfeld saying that it was overrated. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was terrible, and that people like yourself, and I'm
Speaker 2: always shocked our friend Sean Kelly, who's one of the
Speaker 2: production people NFL, who's in his mid twenties, huge Seinfeld fan.
Speaker 2: I'm almost surprised how much it's connected with the youth.
Speaker 1: I think it's a bit of a tired take, and
Speaker 1: I've gone a O'Connor every once in a while when
Speaker 1: when his his takes seemed just designed to to to
Speaker 1: shock an awe uh. Going after Seinfeld is not being
Speaker 1: as good as people say it. I mean, I feel
Speaker 1: like just people showing their ass and not realizing what
Speaker 1: that show was doing and how different it was in
Speaker 1: its era. That's my two cents.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's no Skip Bayless, though he believed it.
Speaker 3: He believed That's why I loved.
Speaker 1: It all right.
Speaker 4: Number two show number two, we go to the two thousands,
Speaker 4: and although it is still running because it came back
Speaker 4: a cousin of Seinfeld Curb your Enthusiasm. Okay, great show
Speaker 4: with both.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, kind of the same genre basically, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I kind of a spinoff in a way. Really, it's
Speaker 1: kind of yeah, kind of.
Speaker 4: I'm a genre guye. This show gives me a lot
Speaker 4: of anxiety because I don't like conflict that much, and
Speaker 4: so I can't watch it before bed like I do
Speaker 4: watch Seinfeld. But when I'm not going to bed, I
Speaker 4: enjoy it very much.
Speaker 1: Great show, probably should probably should go away, but it's fine, right,
Speaker 1: Larry David could do whatever he wants.
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm the ultimate. Yeah, I don't think
Speaker 2: this was the intent, but it's like people fight over
Speaker 2: credit a little bit. Everyone wants their credit, like different
Speaker 2: coaches want credit. Larry David doing Curb sort of was
Speaker 2: the ultimate, like I'm gonna go win five super Bowls
Speaker 2: on my own when I won three with you and
Speaker 2: prove who is the real the real there is.
Speaker 1: There are some Brady Belichick parallels with Brady to the
Speaker 1: Bucks being curb your enthusiasm.
Speaker 4: Which is crazy because if you think about it, Seinfeld
Speaker 4: would be Brady and Belichick would be Larry David. Literally
Speaker 4: number three and finally number three the twenty tens. This
Speaker 4: is a show that actually started in the two thousands,
Speaker 4: and I watched this from when I was in high
Speaker 4: school and I still watch it. It's always sunny in Philadelphia. Now,
Speaker 4: this show has lost some steam in recent years and
Speaker 4: this new season right now, it's hit or miss. One
Speaker 4: episode is hilarious, another episode I could do without. But
Speaker 4: the earlier seasons were premiere just top notched that like
Speaker 4: Seinfeld was doing something different in the nineties, always Sonny
Speaker 4: was doing something very different when they first came around
Speaker 4: and with no money for a long time, and it
Speaker 4: has remained very popular.
Speaker 1: I like this because I understand your sensibilities now shook,
Speaker 1: and it is a great choice. I do agree. I
Speaker 1: love the early years, especially when the show in addition
Speaker 1: to all the characters being grimy, look grimy, it just
Speaker 1: looked cheap. And now I've when I stumble upon a
Speaker 1: recent episode, I'm taken aback by how they all kind
Speaker 1: of look like TV stars and the lighting is better.
Speaker 1: But it's followed that always sunny. Excuse me, it's followed
Speaker 1: the curb format. In fact, I think in an interview
Speaker 1: one of the guys said, like one of the tenets
Speaker 1: of the show continuing as long as that has been
Speaker 1: is like Larry David was like, you don't have to
Speaker 1: end it. You could just keep things going. You could
Speaker 1: take a couple of years off. Don't have to end
Speaker 1: of show, dude, as long as you want. I saw
Speaker 1: a recent episode that the Chuck E Cheese type episode,
Speaker 1: which I was funny as hell. So they still have
Speaker 1: they could reach back and hit ninety two on the
Speaker 1: gun every once in a while, but Pek always sunny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that I'll laugh my ass off on that show.
Speaker 4: I like how they stay topical too, Like they even
Speaker 4: made an episode related to the chest cheating scandal that
Speaker 4: happened last year where Frank ends up getting inserted into
Speaker 4: the chess tournament. And yeah, it's just hilarious. St hilarious.
Speaker 1: Greg, we're learning about him.
Speaker 3: I we need to do this more.
Speaker 1: All right. With that said, I feel.
Speaker 3: We learned that he liked F one.
Speaker 2: By the way, everyone should check out his his podcast
Speaker 2: that combines football and F one, the grid Iron Podcast,
Speaker 2: which I have to admit, Shook, I've seen you promote
Speaker 2: on Instagram and everyone and I thought it was a
Speaker 2: combined football weightlifting podcast and that the Iron men, because
Speaker 2: you guys, you know, you're a big guy. I don't
Speaker 2: know about your co host, but so I thought that's
Speaker 2: a weird angle. The weightlifting football podcast F one makes
Speaker 2: more sense to me.
Speaker 4: It's a new segment idea. Why not let's incorporate Wait.
Speaker 1: How about this? How about this? You're knowledgeable in all
Speaker 1: three fields, So grid represents F one pumping that would
Speaker 1: be the weightlifting component, and then Iron for football Grid
Speaker 1: pumping Iron. That's just keep on drawing this out and
Speaker 1: adding elements of the show. It's a it's a three.
Speaker 4: Header grid pumping sizzling iron, we get cooking involved, you know,
Speaker 4: just keep going, going and going till it's a giant
Speaker 4: mouthful like you never get out.
Speaker 1: All right, Nick Schuck has a great name, a great
Speaker 1: last name, So we just built an entire segment on it.
Speaker 1: With training camp and a new season upon us, it's
Speaker 1: time for us to share what has a shook in
Speaker 1: the NFL right now? And it's uh. I think it's
Speaker 1: it's pretty self explanatory, like things that are just gnoying
Speaker 1: at us a little bit, things that have us a
Speaker 1: little annoyvous. Perhaps you annoy us about certain things. As
Speaker 1: the season kicks off.
Speaker 2: I feel like Shuk's last name has been the subject
Speaker 2: of many different segments, like I've seen it on NFL Network,
Speaker 2: but none of better than what hasse is Shuck. This
Speaker 2: was there the whole time, Shuck. You could have taken it.
Speaker 3: You blew it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good morning football. If you want to have Nick on,
Speaker 1: there's a free bee for you.
Speaker 4: I don't have any agency over my name. In fact,
Speaker 4: I just push people away from using my name because
Speaker 4: this is the first reply I say something on Twitter,
Speaker 4: I'm shook. Would you see that? But here it's fine?
Speaker 1: All right? Great, and again sorry about the cross contamination
Speaker 1: with your Madden business relationship. That was totally unintentional.
Speaker 4: You know how many emails I don't have to send? Now, Dan,
Speaker 4: everybody back into good graces.
Speaker 1: All right? So why don't we get it started with
Speaker 1: Nick Shook? What has you shook about the NFL right
Speaker 1: now as we enter a new season.
Speaker 4: Maybe I'm just off base, maybe I'm out of touch,
Speaker 4: but I find it hard to believe that Ron Rivera
Speaker 4: would tie his future in the NFL as a head
Speaker 4: coach to a quarterback who played just one games rookie
Speaker 4: last year. That seems to be the prevailing wisdom. And
Speaker 4: if that actually does happen, I'll be shook because, quite frankly,
Speaker 4: you couldn't choose a less stable way to go about
Speaker 4: trying to keep your job, especially with Jacoby Brissett on
Speaker 4: the roster. I mean, that's why you go sign the
Speaker 4: guy right security? He went and played pretty well in
Speaker 4: Cleveland last year in a team that was influx. This
Speaker 4: team has talent at receiver, has talent running back, still
Speaker 4: pretty talented upfront as well. Why not go with the
Speaker 4: veteran when this could be your last year. Don't be
Speaker 4: the savior, Ron, save yourself.
Speaker 2: It has been a little surprising that coming out of
Speaker 2: the offseason workouts that there doesn't seem to be a battle.
Speaker 2: That it's one of the few big surprises of the
Speaker 2: ota season, like that actually they gave Jacoby Brissett all
Speaker 2: that money, more than any other backup in the market got,
Speaker 2: and that he's not going to get a chance to compete.
Speaker 3: But I'm not shook about this.
Speaker 1: I like it, all right, Yeah, I am. I'm definitely
Speaker 1: shook about it. Talked about it on the show. It
Speaker 1: seems like Ron is just in a vulnerable place. We
Speaker 1: led the show today obviously talking about the sale of
Speaker 1: the franchise and the inevitable transition and that comes with
Speaker 1: new ownership. And I feel like Ron is kind of
Speaker 1: in a knowing situation here unless something really unexpected happens,
Speaker 1: like Howell plays his ass off. That's like the is
Speaker 1: that the only way Ron keeps his job here? They
Speaker 1: got it. Howell plays his ass off, surprises a lot
Speaker 1: of people, and they have a winning record. Otherwise, you
Speaker 1: just I just assume that that they're gonna want to
Speaker 1: totally clean slate after you know, no organization's been dirtier
Speaker 1: than the Commanders than this team, so they're gonna want
Speaker 1: to start over, unless to.
Speaker 2: Hell Mary, maybe I think they got to make the playoffs.
Speaker 2: With a new owner, you have to make the playoffs.
Speaker 2: It's his year four. I think it's a decent looking roster.
Speaker 2: I did the NFC East preview actually with Mina Kimes
Speaker 2: on her podcast people to check that out, and like,
Speaker 2: I went back to watch that that Howell start in
Speaker 2: a little bit of his preseass. I know it's just
Speaker 2: one start, but I'm very intrigued. I think he went
Speaker 2: through his reads quickly. I think he passes the baseline
Speaker 2: of NFL quarterbacks, which is if you protect him, he's
Speaker 2: gonna be fine. And then I think he has the
Speaker 2: plus traits that you don't see necessarily out of like
Speaker 2: a Desmond Ritter. Certainly, like that one start he made
Speaker 2: getting to his second read really quickly quite a lot
Speaker 2: of times. And then we know he can run. He's
Speaker 2: a little smaller. That worries you that he runs too much,
Speaker 2: but he can run, and he can throw a very
Speaker 2: pretty go ball. Like there's some plus traits. I'm excited
Speaker 2: to watch it. It's made me more excited to watch.
Speaker 1: The Commanders than I have been such a I get it,
Speaker 1: it's good and obviously good to watch a tape, but
Speaker 1: one game is such a small sample size that you
Speaker 1: know the opponent, how they good.
Speaker 2: In the preseason two I would say like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: know it's not that much, but I'm but I'm saying
Speaker 2: that one game.
Speaker 3: I was thinking about it.
Speaker 2: I went back and looked at I did little grading
Speaker 2: the QB Index stuff, and it's like it was probably
Speaker 2: better than any start Daniel Jones made his rookie year,
Speaker 2: or like Drew Locke made his rookie year. I was
Speaker 2: trying to think of like mid level quarterbacks, and like
Speaker 2: it was a really good performance.
Speaker 1: That's all I think.
Speaker 4: Go ahead. If you're worried about your job. It's such
Speaker 4: a risky play, and with new ownership, you can almost
Speaker 4: guarantee that you're gone, unless, like you guys said, you
Speaker 4: make the playoffs. Putting writing with that, I mean, you're
Speaker 4: being the caretaker of the club that's probably not going
Speaker 4: to keep you around if you're just trying to develop
Speaker 4: this guy.
Speaker 2: If I was Eric b Enemy, I'd be a little
Speaker 2: shook too that this is his big chance. But I
Speaker 2: think they think they're gonna win with running defense.
Speaker 1: We'll see it just kind of similar this topic, so
Speaker 1: this will be a good sag. I part of me likes,
Speaker 1: like if I'm a Bucks fan, part of me likes
Speaker 1: their decision to not say, oh, well Tom's gone now Tom,
Speaker 1: by the way, you know, he lost thirty million dollars
Speaker 1: in the collapse of FTX thirty million, and I know
Speaker 1: he's got a lot of money, but he's also you know,
Speaker 1: getting divorced or just got divorced, Like thirty million. That hurts.
Speaker 2: I think I think that is a level that is
Speaker 2: a significant amount of pain for Tom Brady.
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't know how rich you have to be
Speaker 3: for that not to hurt.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what if if you called me and
Speaker 4: said you're you just lost thirty million dollars, yeae, I'd
Speaker 4: be shook.
Speaker 1: Would it be enough for Tom maybe to end up
Speaker 1: playing another year. It's the only way for Tom Brady
Speaker 1: to make thirty million like that is just to play
Speaker 1: one more season in the NFL. I don't know, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, or it does, we'll see, But the Bucks
Speaker 1: did make this decision not to just start over post Brady,
Speaker 1: and I don't necessarily agree with it. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, if you're a Bucks fan, you look at
Speaker 1: this division, the NFC South, they say, all right, I
Speaker 1: can talk ourselves into this. But what has me shook
Speaker 1: is the pivot. I don't think Baker Mayfield could play
Speaker 1: at this level in a consistent basis. I've kind of
Speaker 1: thought that for a couple of years, and sometimes he'll
Speaker 1: drop a game that will get you excited, and he
Speaker 1: does have that sizzle and that he there's a Q
Speaker 1: rating with Baker that I think far exceeds his abilities
Speaker 1: as a quarterback. So I'm shook if I'm a Bucks
Speaker 1: fan that like you do this. You bring back Bulls
Speaker 1: who obviously I think needs to make the playoffs this year,
Speaker 1: and you bring back a lot of the veterans on defense,
Speaker 1: and you keep godwinning Mike Evans when you probably could
Speaker 1: have started looking toward the future and made some trades
Speaker 1: this offseason potentially, And now it's Baker. And if Baker
Speaker 1: falls on his face like he has every year the
Speaker 1: last three or four years, it's Kyle Trask, a second
Speaker 1: round pick who you're obviously not too fond of or
Speaker 1: high on at this point based on some decisions they've made.
Speaker 1: I just, you know, i'd be a little shook if
Speaker 1: I'm a Bucks fan, happy that we're not, you know, tanking,
Speaker 1: but a little concerned about the overall plan and what
Speaker 1: Todd Bowles can do with a quarterback like that.
Speaker 4: I think the circumstances that give the Buccaneers fans hope
Speaker 4: with this situation, like oh, the Baker just needs to
Speaker 4: be like average and we have enough talent around him
Speaker 4: to win, is the same circumstances that leave me shook,
Speaker 4: which is that if he's not that guy, everything's falling apart.
Speaker 4: I mean, cleaning house top to bottom. That was what
Speaker 4: would leave me very word going to the season. No
Speaker 4: longer can Tom Brady protect you? And he did his
Speaker 4: best to protect you last year and you barely got
Speaker 4: to the finish line. I mean it was it was
Speaker 4: a rough year. I can't imagine it's could be any
Speaker 4: better this time around. It's a tough scene and perhaps,
Speaker 4: like you said, Dan, before long they're going to be
Speaker 4: starting over.
Speaker 2: I'm so there. The odds makers most likely team to
Speaker 2: finish in the cellar in that division by far, like
Speaker 2: it's the other three, the Falcons and the Saints especially
Speaker 2: are way ahead of them. I don't see it that way,
Speaker 2: but I do totally agree with you, Dan, because I
Speaker 2: look at it like which teams potentially are gonna be
Speaker 2: I sores for me personally, like four or five weeks
Speaker 2: into the season that I'm like getting tired of watching them,
Speaker 2: and it would be a bummer to be watching like
Speaker 2: a one in four Bucks team with Baker and Todd.
Speaker 3: Bowles is miserable.
Speaker 2: And all these guys who won Super Bowls are just
Speaker 2: like slogging through a bad season. They are high up
Speaker 2: there on the like potential unwatchable teams, So I hope
Speaker 2: they at least can just like stay mediocre.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, I know Brady finally did regress
Speaker 1: last season, and I would say, like, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you guys agree, but the last season of Tom Brady,
Speaker 1: if that was, he was maybe a replacement level or
Speaker 1: a touch above because of obviously his genius knowledge of
Speaker 1: how the quarterback position has played, and he still had
Speaker 1: an arm. It just it wasn't happening. But remember how
Speaker 1: how much of a slog they were to watch with
Speaker 1: Brady at a lesser, lesser level or closer a league
Speaker 1: average level. Now, if you took this team and gave
Speaker 1: them a below average or a maybe even a bottom
Speaker 1: five quarterback room, yeah, this could get very grim. So
Speaker 1: I am shook. I'm officially shook. Nick shook two for two.
Speaker 1: All right, greg Ee, you're.
Speaker 2: Up, Okay, I'm shook that the Packers are behind the
Speaker 2: Bears in the preseason odds. I'm leaning hard on the
Speaker 2: preseason odds. Like I'm shook that the expectation is that
Speaker 2: the Bears are going to be much better and that
Speaker 2: the Packers are this disaster team that's gonna be in
Speaker 2: the cellar there. Not like the odds are too different,
Speaker 2: But this makes no sense to me. Not just like
Speaker 2: looking at which team has won more games over the
Speaker 2: last two or three years, Like I think that's a factor.
Speaker 2: Like a lot of the same players are there on
Speaker 2: both teams, But just looking at Green Bay's defensive roster
Speaker 2: is money. I think the coaching staff, the coach, the
Speaker 2: offensive coaching staff is money. I think the offensive line
Speaker 2: is a little boom or bust, but it could be really,
Speaker 2: really good. And it's just like all on the quarterback
Speaker 2: combined with the Bears lost a lot of close games
Speaker 2: last year, but I think they have a long way
Speaker 2: to go still on their defense, I want justin Field
Speaker 2: to be good.
Speaker 3: I hope he's good.
Speaker 2: But the optimism I've seen from Bears fans this offseason,
Speaker 2: where they just they think it's all happening right now,
Speaker 2: worries me a little bit. It has me shook that
Speaker 2: they're gonna be disappointed, and especially for the rest of
Speaker 2: the division. Who thinks, Okay, Aaron Rodgers is finally gone,
Speaker 2: like we can finally do our thing.
Speaker 3: I don't know, man.
Speaker 2: I think Jordan Love has a chance to be good,
Speaker 2: and more importantly, the rest of the roster is good,
Speaker 2: and they're they are not going into the cellar.
Speaker 3: I'm shook.
Speaker 4: Yeah. For as much as we depend on quarterback value
Speaker 4: quarterback in this league, at the same time, if your
Speaker 4: team around it is around that quarterback is much better,
Speaker 4: I think you have a better shot. I mean, we've
Speaker 4: seen teams go win Super Bowls with you know, average quarterbacks. Great,
Speaker 4: that was a while ago, but it happens. I'm not
Speaker 4: saying they're going to win a super Bowl. But the
Speaker 4: Bears were not a good football team last year. They
Speaker 4: had an exciting quarterback, but they had a lot of
Speaker 4: you know, ground to make up and one exciting offseason
Speaker 4: of moves and suddenly the optimism is you know, at
Speaker 4: a fever pitch in Chicago. I'm right there with you, Greg.
Speaker 4: I am also shook at by the fact that Bears
Speaker 4: fan I mean, maybe they just need a reason to
Speaker 4: get get up for the season. But it's not gonna
Speaker 4: be an overnight success, at least not in my opinion,
Speaker 4: and in comparison to the Packers, I think that's going
Speaker 4: to be a tough frog to leap.
Speaker 1: We are all in lockstep on this one because one
Speaker 1: of my possibilities here, if it hadn't been brought up,
Speaker 1: was me comma and Bears fans Comma are over our
Speaker 1: skis with the Justin Fields type because you can and
Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys have seen it as well when
Speaker 1: you if you read about this team, you could pop
Speaker 1: the hood on a lot of fields as stats and
Speaker 1: beyond the playmaking, there's reasons to be concerned about his
Speaker 1: development as a passer. And I know he's out there
Speaker 1: in the media now and you know Eric Kramer finding
Speaker 1: Eric Kramer has the team record for yardage in a
Speaker 1: season three eight hundred yards and Fields of saying, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm breaking that this year four thousand yards. I'm being
Speaker 1: the first Chicago Bears quarterback in history to do that.
Speaker 1: We kind of have to see it. We have to
Speaker 1: see that development from that side of the game. We
Speaker 1: also have to see him stay healthy. He plays a
Speaker 1: very physical brand of football obviously. So while I am
Speaker 1: in on the Bears, maybe I know the Lions are
Speaker 1: kind of the favorite in the division and the Packers,
Speaker 1: I agree, are kind of overlooked right now as a
Speaker 1: team that has a real chance to come out of
Speaker 1: that division on top. While I see the Bears could
Speaker 1: be the team that has the biggest jump win loss record.
Speaker 1: There's also another side of this, and we can't ignore
Speaker 1: everything that we've seen with Fields and only study on
Speaker 1: the electrifying side of his game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, our friend Adam Rank, you know, big Bears guy,
Speaker 2: I had them going twelve and five on his.
Speaker 3: That's what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's like, just be careful, you're setting yourself up here, all.
Speaker 1: Right, Chuck, give us another one, Bud, all right.
Speaker 4: I am shook by the idea of playing a Super
Speaker 4: Bowl in Las Vegas. I'm shook by the the the
Speaker 4: challenge it will be not to not have a good time,
Speaker 4: but to not have too much of a good time
Speaker 4: for some of the folks that will be involved in
Speaker 4: the super Bowl weekly festivities. You know, no, no, come
Speaker 4: on now, I'm I'm a mature adult and a professional.
Speaker 4: But I don't know if everybody else that's around the
Speaker 4: super Bowl is gonna be it's gonna be a mad house.
Speaker 4: I mean, bottom line's gonna be crazy. Everything's gonna be condensed.
Speaker 4: You know, We're not gonna be all spread out like
Speaker 4: you were in the Phoenix area last year, like you
Speaker 4: were in Miami. It's all right there, and I don't know.
Speaker 4: I just some interesting things have happened since pro sports
Speaker 4: have moved to Vegas, putting a super Bowl there, It's
Speaker 4: gonna be quite a spectacle. But behind the scenes, I
Speaker 4: don't know.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, we got through the Draft last year
Speaker 1: without incident. Obviously, that's a different vibe, far less parties
Speaker 1: and things of that nature. I have to I have
Speaker 1: to be honest with you guys. I well, a little
Speaker 1: bit of personal news, family news. My my father injured
Speaker 1: his achilles a couple of weeks ago and needed to
Speaker 1: undergo surgery. So Keith is, you know, down right now,
Speaker 1: and he's got a rehabit in front of him, and
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, the Super bowls in February, and you
Speaker 1: know my team that I love is oh all right.
Speaker 1: And here I am thinking, if the Jets ever made
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl in my lifetime, I am not not
Speaker 1: watching that game without my dad by my side. And
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about my dad's rehab and I'm counting the
Speaker 1: months and I'm saying, okay, is this even? Is this?
Speaker 1: Am I jinxing the Jets by even trying to figure
Speaker 1: my dad's rehab Achilles schedule? And February I just got
Speaker 1: to get Keith to Vegas if it ever happened the unthinkable.
Speaker 1: So that was ad has Mesha that that whole situation.
Speaker 1: I'm less worried about the things you're worried about, Shook,
Speaker 1: but I hope everyone is responsible. I mean, you're not
Speaker 1: a father Shook yet. But this really shows that you
Speaker 1: will be a good dad, Nick, because you know, you
Speaker 1: think about these things.
Speaker 4: Get the bet on time kids a lot, by the way,
Speaker 4: like one of those things that you put on the
Speaker 4: wall to count down by them by the second to kickoff.
Speaker 2: Feel better, Keith, I, I didn't know that. I know
Speaker 2: he's gonna have a heroic recovery in time for this
Speaker 2: Jet super Bowl.
Speaker 3: What a story that would be.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's the real you know hero here of
Speaker 2: the the Around the NFL podcast. That would be an
Speaker 2: amazing plot line. I'm not as worried about, uh, the Vegas,
Speaker 2: but you're just because it's going to be crazy. And
Speaker 2: I'm all about Nick like at this point, not saying
Speaker 2: we've done everything, but we've been to a lot of
Speaker 2: super Bowls in this seems so different from any super
Speaker 2: Bowl that we've ever done.
Speaker 3: That that excites me.
Speaker 2: But I also hear you that six seven nights in
Speaker 2: Vegas feels feels like too much. Probably yeah, any recommended
Speaker 2: maximum for anyone. Uh and this is the year. Actually
Speaker 2: I promised Walker that he would make his first one.
Speaker 2: It's it's close enough, you know, they can get there quickly.
Speaker 2: So my son will, I hope, see his first super
Speaker 2: Bowl in Las Vegas.
Speaker 1: That's beautiful. Yeah, we're we're getting old, Greg, and our
Speaker 1: kids are starting to grow up. I've thought about that myself,
Speaker 1: about when we're fortunate enough to be able to take
Speaker 1: people to the Super Bowl when when the games occur,
Speaker 1: that's cool, all right, Now, I'm up one more from me.
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit shook that the report that came
Speaker 1: out of the jets of band cameras from filming cuts
Speaker 1: on hard knocks in general. I'm a little shook about
Speaker 1: hard knocks in the future of hard knocks, but I'm
Speaker 1: not going to go down that road.
Speaker 3: Have any team ever done that in the path?
Speaker 1: I think there are been teams that may be more
Speaker 1: on the it wasn't kind of reported because this has
Speaker 1: become like the story around the season is that the
Speaker 1: team doesn't want to do it. So I think there's
Speaker 1: more reporting around this season for that reason. But I
Speaker 1: think it's definitely been de emphasized but not entirely eliminated
Speaker 1: for the most part. And we mentioned Chad Johnson one
Speaker 1: of the most memorable hard knocks and it's an unfortunate
Speaker 1: storyline around his NFL career. But when Chad Ochosenko with
Speaker 1: the Dolphins during the Joe Fildman era was on that
Speaker 1: show and he got arrested for a domestic violence incident,
Speaker 1: they had the cameras in camp when Phildman and Jeff Ireland,
Speaker 1: I believe it was let Johnson go, and it was
Speaker 1: obviously an emotionally charged moment for this great player who
Speaker 1: was seeing his career end in an unceremonious fashion. I
Speaker 1: don't know if It's career actually ended there, but his
Speaker 1: Dolphins career ended. That will not be part of things
Speaker 1: in Hard Knocks. But I guess what really has me
Speaker 1: shook is all these running backs reportedly on a group
Speaker 1: text chat talking about revenge or plotting some type of
Speaker 1: to borrow a sessler'sm kudeta against an NFL that has
Speaker 1: turned its back on them and financially penalized them for
Speaker 1: the position they play. On Monday's program, we talked about
Speaker 1: the franchise tag deadline for long term deals, and sure enough,
Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs, the NFL rushing leader, last year a truce
Speaker 1: titan of the position. Talks never even came close. Between
Speaker 1: the Raiders and Jacobs, the Giants and Saquon Barkley, talks
Speaker 1: stalled over a report out there is a two million
Speaker 1: dollar difference, but the I said, now we're walking away
Speaker 1: from this. We're just not going to do it. Players
Speaker 1: like Derrick Henry and Austin Eckler had extremely pointed commentary
Speaker 1: on Twitter, and then there was that report that they're
Speaker 1: all conspiring on a text chain. Wouldn't you like to
Speaker 1: be on that? Let's listen to Saquon Barkley by the way,
Speaker 1: just to give you an idea of how upset these
Speaker 1: running backs are. And I know Greg poopu the whole
Speaker 1: thing on Monday and then said, you know they're damn millionaires,
Speaker 1: So why did say that?
Speaker 2: I just was like, this is this storyline has gotten
Speaker 2: a lot of airtime, that's all.
Speaker 1: I think it's deserved. I think it's a very a
Speaker 1: just cause that these running backs are are speaking out
Speaker 1: on because it is bonkers to me, the point that
Speaker 1: it's gotten to. Anyway, here's Saquon talking about his situation
Speaker 1: on the Money Matters podcast. I would say cut the giants.
Speaker 5: I'd say to my teammates and be like, you want
Speaker 5: me show you my work? I want to show you
Speaker 5: how much how valuable I am to the team. I
Speaker 5: won't show up, I won't play it down. And that's
Speaker 5: a that's a that's a that's a play I can
Speaker 5: use do I anybody knows me knows that's not something
Speaker 5: I want to do. But like it's something that has
Speaker 5: It's something that crossed my mind. It say, I never
Speaker 5: I never thought I would ever do that, But now
Speaker 5: I'm at a point where it's like Jesus, like I
Speaker 5: might have to take it to this level, And like,
Speaker 5: am I willing? Am I prepared to take it to
Speaker 5: the level?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think Barkley will hold out.
Speaker 1: I think he's even saying it there like because he's
Speaker 1: not h he's not willing to do that to his
Speaker 1: teammates and and disappear for a long stretcher the whole season.
Speaker 1: And we saw with Le'Veon Bell what happens sometimes or
Speaker 1: potentially if you walk away for a year. Greg Pro
Speaker 1: Football Talk, your old boss Florio had a good post
Speaker 1: about what what actual what can running backs do? And
Speaker 1: he pointed out that a holdout after year three, if
Speaker 1: you're coming off year three, is really your only chance
Speaker 1: because they you're far enough away where they it can't
Speaker 1: be a situation where they're just gonna look to tag
Speaker 1: you after year four or year five. If you're a
Speaker 1: first round pick and if you're coming off that big
Speaker 1: third year. Zeke Elliott was able to turn that into
Speaker 1: an extension. Barkley to use him as an example, that's
Speaker 1: when he tore his ACL so he had no leverage.
Speaker 1: He wasn't able to do that. So if you have
Speaker 1: a big third season, you could turn that into a payday. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: once they get you to that the end of that
Speaker 1: first contract, they're just gonna play ball like this with you.
Speaker 1: Whether you like it or not. It's just become the
Speaker 1: way the league is being run business wise.
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, I think Jacobs and Barkley are in
Speaker 2: Pollard to a lesser degree, are interesting examples of that.
Speaker 2: They didn't have that leverage they've they had up and
Speaker 2: down careers coming off year three. Like that's I don't
Speaker 2: think it's overheated. I think it's an interesting conversation. But
Speaker 2: like Joe Mixon, Dalvin Cook, Alvin Kamara, all those guys
Speaker 2: actually did get paid because they were consistently.
Speaker 3: At a high level.
Speaker 2: And when you look at the salaries or running backs
Speaker 2: they're similar still, Like even though they've they've stagnated, there
Speaker 2: are in the ballpark of tight ends and safeties like
Speaker 2: no one no one's crying for the safety market getting
Speaker 2: overlooked in free agency every year, And that kind of
Speaker 2: makes sense to me that those three positions would be
Speaker 2: a little lower. The problem is, and I hope all
Speaker 2: this attention uh raises light to it is in the
Speaker 2: CBA in that like, I don't think the rookie contracts,
Speaker 2: the way it structured, how you're stuck on the team
Speaker 2: and how low those rookie contracts are is probably unfair
Speaker 2: in general, but it's especially unfair to running backs because
Speaker 2: that's when their careers peak. And I do think there's
Speaker 2: probably something that could be revisited. Unfortunately for the players
Speaker 2: not for a long time, like they like agreed to
Speaker 2: this CBA and it's a totally different NFL than it
Speaker 2: was before this rookie raid wage scale came in. And
Speaker 2: I think the rookie wage scale was so far in
Speaker 2: one direction for the top players that they they probably
Speaker 2: over corrected. And it's almost insane how great a value
Speaker 2: any rookie is on a O contract, and especially running
Speaker 2: backs who burn out quickly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think about you know, you talk about that
Speaker 4: year three Mark. I think about a DeVonta Freeman, you know,
Speaker 4: he drafted in fourteen, extended in seventeen and the Falcons
Speaker 4: regretted it shortly thereafter. I mean, there's there's been enough
Speaker 4: lessons in the last decade or.
Speaker 2: So, right, Cook didn't get to the end of that contract.
Speaker 2: These running backs usually don't.
Speaker 4: Neither did Zeke obviously, Yeah, yeah, and Girly kind of
Speaker 4: a similar case as well.
Speaker 2: See they did mix in for that matter. He just
Speaker 2: got he had to take a pay cut.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's it's really tough to be a running back.
Speaker 4: And this is very legion of doom though this this
Speaker 4: text chain, I like this. I liked them sitting around
Speaker 4: and speaking with you know, I don't know lawyers or
Speaker 4: we're all gonna because by the time that CBA comes up,
Speaker 4: they're done. But maybe they're going to pass it on
Speaker 4: to the next generation and get theirranks out in the meantime.
Speaker 1: And Derek Henry, who did get that second contract with
Speaker 1: the Titans, and by the way, he's performed well throughout
Speaker 1: the life of it as the entrance his last year
Speaker 1: four years fifty million. Like that money though, Greg like
Speaker 1: that puts him like in line with what like number
Speaker 1: two wide receivers, get right, I mean he for so,
Speaker 1: what these true star players are saying is like, if
Speaker 1: you're gonna pay out a wide receiver, I think that's
Speaker 1: the closest positional group in terms of playmaker on the
Speaker 1: offense that makes the team go. Why are we not
Speaker 1: getting paid like these wide House or even guys that
Speaker 1: are below the top tier white House? Why we in
Speaker 1: a in a lower class. It's just a positional group
Speaker 1: screw job. It's like the Montreal screw job of a
Speaker 1: roster payout.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think people, I think the fact that it's not
Speaker 2: just PFF, it's people who think like PFF that work
Speaker 2: for NFL buildings just think wide receiver is twice as
Speaker 2: valuable a position.
Speaker 1: Hmm. I don't think that's true, but Okay, that's the way.
Speaker 2: I just think that's the thinking that has gone into it,
Speaker 2: that they just think wide receivers are more important.
Speaker 1: All right, give us one more Greg, here we go, baby, Okay.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm a little shook about the Cowboy offense in general,
Speaker 2: the way Mike McCarthy talks in general, the fact that
Speaker 2: he hired Brian Schottenheimer and Mike Solari. Schottenheimer enough said.
Speaker 2: Celari has been on the Cowboys coaching staff previously. It
Speaker 2: was under Tom Landry. That's how long their offensive line
Speaker 2: coach has been around. Like this is as old school
Speaker 2: as it gets, and then specifically when it comes to
Speaker 2: McCarthy a little shook. How they're like looking at this
Speaker 2: offensive line right now. Tyler Swift was probably the best
Speaker 2: left tackle that was a rookie in the league last year,
Speaker 2: better than the two top ten picks, and they're probably
Speaker 2: gonna play him at guard because like Tyron Smith doesn't
Speaker 2: really fit at right tackle and he's a future Hall
Speaker 2: of Famer, And then they have Terren Steele who's coming
Speaker 2: off right and they just think, like, Okay, we can
Speaker 2: get our best five out here if we put our
Speaker 2: rookie back at guard. It just it all feels a
Speaker 2: little weird, like conservative thinking. And if you've got a
Speaker 2: rookie left tackle that plays that well, moving him around
Speaker 2: because of like an oft injured couple of veterans doesn't
Speaker 2: make a lot of sense, And just in really supports
Speaker 2: the conservative thinking. I would say that's going on in
Speaker 2: Dallas has me a little worried, has me shook.
Speaker 4: I mean, they kind of ran into this situation last year.
Speaker 4: This is what they dealt with. I was the succession plan.
Speaker 4: All right, he can play guarden and then Tyrann's going
Speaker 4: to retire and Tyler's going to take over, and you
Speaker 4: know Rench was thrown to the plans. I agree with you,
Speaker 4: but I also see their logic to get the best
Speaker 4: five out there. My only thing is that Jason Peters
Speaker 4: ended up in this starting lineup last year because of this, Right, Like,
Speaker 4: you got to plan a little bit better than they
Speaker 4: have for similar scenarios when you have an oft injured
Speaker 4: tackle like Tyron Smith. So I yeah, I'm more shook
Speaker 4: about the fact that Mike McCarthy's calling plays than anything
Speaker 4: that he's taking over the offense and decided to split
Speaker 4: with Kellen Moore in an acrimonious way, and we already
Speaker 4: know that he struggles with managing the claw sometimes. So
Speaker 4: it's I mean, you're on the line. Now, Wait are
Speaker 4: they gonna run more?
Speaker 2: He talks like they're just gonna run more, but they
Speaker 2: already were running too much ineffectively, and now they don't
Speaker 2: really have any depth behind Pollard, who's coming off a
Speaker 2: serious injury.
Speaker 3: It's a little weird.
Speaker 1: We'll see Zeke's gonna end up back there. It feels like, right,
Speaker 1: just feels like for a team that is conservative and
Speaker 1: how they're kind of rolling this plan out wouldn't they
Speaker 1: bring back the guy that knows their scheme that they
Speaker 1: could trust to, whether it's blocking assignments or know, you know,
Speaker 1: how they like to run the football. Maybe it's Stafl. Cook,
Speaker 1: as we talked about a Monday, but Zeke at a
Speaker 1: much reduced rate, giving them a little security blanket feels
Speaker 1: in line with the kind of ethos of where they're
Speaker 1: at right now.
Speaker 2: Offensively, I'd feel differently about them if they signed Cook.
Speaker 2: I think that'd be the best spot for him. Maybe
Speaker 2: Kareem Hunt even, but someone one.
Speaker 4: Of those guys makes sense.
Speaker 1: We'll be doing our annual head coach hot butt rankings
Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks, and McCarthy's an interesting one
Speaker 1: because I'm just one thing I'm not sure about is
Speaker 1: what constitutes an acceptable level of success for McCarthy to
Speaker 1: have another year on the sidelines. Like what is Jarah
Speaker 1: expecting from this team? I mean, he's expecting a super
Speaker 1: Bowl because he's Jerah, but like what would be deemed
Speaker 1: a fireable offense in terms of a bottom line result
Speaker 1: for the twenty twenty three Cowboys. Kind of stick a
Speaker 1: pin in that. But I think it's a nice little
Speaker 1: plot line in the NFC.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think getting read of your offensive coordinator exposes
Speaker 4: you to that and makes it something that we definitely
Speaker 4: have to watch for sure.
Speaker 1: Good call. That is one of those things like when
Speaker 1: you're trying to figure out how safe a coach is
Speaker 1: if they made a coordinator change, that's kind of using
Speaker 1: their mulligan, if you will. That's their little protection card,
Speaker 1: and once that's done, you're more in the firing line.
Speaker 1: All right, shooky, damn man, you said it all. I
Speaker 1: feel like we learned a lot about Nick today, Greg.
Speaker 1: I feel I feel closer to Nick, and I feel
Speaker 1: like we should keep Nick in the mix to be
Speaker 1: on the Sunday Night flagship program based on I just
Speaker 1: I like the guy. I don't know, I just like
Speaker 1: the guy.
Speaker 2: I mean same, I don't know if people don't. We
Speaker 2: go back pretty far with Nick. How when when were
Speaker 2: you hired Nick?
Speaker 4: I mean the first time or the second time?
Speaker 2: The first time, because I believe I was the one
Speaker 2: who did the hiring.
Speaker 3: Hired. I hired Nick shook back in the day.
Speaker 4: Way back in the year twenty fourteen.
Speaker 3: So like we've got that's what I realized.
Speaker 2: Like Dan, we've been around at this company long time,
Speaker 2: you've you've been around even longer.
Speaker 3: But we've both both been there, been doing this job
Speaker 3: a lot.
Speaker 2: Like I still think of shooking Patrick Clayban, for instance,
Speaker 2: as like, oh, yeah, they're kind of new arrivals. It's like, no,
Speaker 2: it's been nine years now for both of them.
Speaker 1: We're like two like old ass like Gandalf wizard types,
Speaker 1: just like survivors that see everyone as kids at this point, right.
Speaker 2: But the reality Shook's been in here, been there that
Speaker 2: most of the time we have too.
Speaker 1: I'm shook by the passage of time about that.
Speaker 4: When I walk in the newsroom in the one time
Speaker 4: I go out to LA every eighteen to twenty four
Speaker 4: months and I see one of the younger DCPs, I
Speaker 4: am also shook because that was what's me.
Speaker 1: I remember Shook. You know, you might have hired Shook NFL,
Speaker 1: but I also signed Shook to a softball contract and
Speaker 1: his lovely are you guys married now? I know you're
Speaker 1: you're engaged now or yeah, married as soon to be
Speaker 1: wife when they were just young pups, like just falling
Speaker 1: in love on the softball field and saying, wow, these
Speaker 1: kids got a chance as we h you know, just
Speaker 1: roared to our second consecutive championship in Los Angeles.
Speaker 4: I was going through some stuff in my basement a
Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago and pulled out my jersey and
Speaker 4: my championship.
Speaker 2: Gorgeous were we were actually the free agent class. You
Speaker 2: were like, you were like, I'm trying to think of
Speaker 2: a great GM in history. You know, you were making
Speaker 2: some great sign means that year. Me and Schuck really
Speaker 2: added to the added to the mix, mading sure you
Speaker 2: didn't fall off.
Speaker 1: It was you know, it was That's why I always
Speaker 1: called Wes, Mike and Siglieri, because we put a little
Speaker 1: more thought into the roster construction than people might have
Speaker 1: realized during work hours. Probably you were the boss at
Speaker 1: the time, Greg, so we probably hit it from you.
Speaker 1: But you know, there was, you know, a lot of
Speaker 1: discussion what's the best version of the team. And when
Speaker 1: Shook hit the scene with those shoulders and the biceps,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, we just found our number five hitter.
Speaker 1: We just we just found a middle of the oner presence.
Speaker 1: And then your your fiance, she was an athletic a
Speaker 1: woman is like, oh, we just found another winner here.
Speaker 1: So it was like a double ringer signing of the
Speaker 1: Shook family package deal.
Speaker 4: But I have one question for you, Dan, when you
Speaker 4: were working with WESN really charting this out and envisioning
Speaker 4: a championship, not only winning but defending roster, were you
Speaker 4: a spreadsheet guy or were you a magnet on the
Speaker 4: board type of magnet on.
Speaker 1: The board big time. Yeah, we don't. We don't pop
Speaker 1: the hood with softball. We just said, who's a good
Speaker 1: hang who played sports at any time in their life?
Speaker 1: Who can we count on to.
Speaker 2: Coming off the bus that's going to intimidate the other
Speaker 2: team exactly?
Speaker 1: A big factor, A big reason for the Shield success
Speaker 1: was we were not a twenty five cabs twenty five
Speaker 1: guys at the end of the day type team, and
Speaker 1: Shook you a great addition.
Speaker 4: I always happy to be part of it.
Speaker 1: All Right, that's it for another edition of Around the NFL.
Speaker 1: We'll be back, Like we said, first show in first
Speaker 1: week in a while, Greg, We're going to be doing
Speaker 1: three shows next week as training camp kicks off in
Speaker 1: earnest across the league. So make sure you're there for that.
Speaker 1: Any oh final ooh, just in time before I say
Speaker 1: goodbye here, guys, I have an official statement from Bob
Speaker 1: Bates DDS retired on the Denzel Mims era in New York.
Speaker 1: You guys ready for this, all right, official statement. I'm
Speaker 1: really surprised and disappointed he didn't make not only a
Speaker 1: big impact on the Jets, but also becoming a big
Speaker 1: time star. I hope the change in scenery with the
Speaker 1: Lions will give him a shot of becoming that star.
Speaker 1: With Mims' size and adequate speed, he should help them.
Speaker 1: I haven't given up on him.
Speaker 4: There it is, I gotta say evidence.
Speaker 2: If you're Bob Bates, the Lions might be your number
Speaker 2: one draft pick. If ever, there was a spot that
Speaker 2: Mims could make the team, maybe make some impact. With
Speaker 2: Jamison Williams out at the beginning of the season as
Speaker 2: kind of their their deep threat guy, this is his chance.
Speaker 2: But I guess I'm not as optimistic. But I hope
Speaker 2: I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: All Right, There we go, and it should be noted
Speaker 1: on the way out the door. Eric Roberts just chimed
Speaker 1: in our producer myself a Randy, big Randy behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: and Sean Kelly won the softball champion Chip last season
Speaker 1: with the NFL two squad. How about that? So the
Speaker 1: next the next generation carries on the dynasty. Unbelievable. Thank you.
Speaker 2: I want to know who is the George Seaffert to
Speaker 2: year Bill Walsh, Dan.
Speaker 1: Good questions question another time, another discussion. All right until
Speaker 1: next week.
Speaker 3: He's a call.