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Speaker 1: the sun. Welcome to another edition of Around the NFL.

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Speaker 1: I am Dan Hans's I have a reddish hue to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've changed the locations. If you watch us on YouTube,

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Speaker 3: You do get quite dark in the summer there, Danny.

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Speaker 1: I do. I do. Let's see if we can do better. Though.

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Speaker 1: Let's welcome in another man who has to be very

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Speaker 1: careful in the weight room when he's around you. Yes,

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Speaker 1: one of our favorites. It's a great Nick Shook, what's up, Bud?

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Speaker 1: There he is, Shookie Shooky, of course, is invaluable on

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Speaker 1: our Sunday flagship programs helping out watching games, talking about

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Speaker 1: less than two months, and Shook, it's great to have

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Speaker 1: great day for the NFL, on a great day for

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Speaker 1: Commanders fans, because yes, it's happening. It's over today. According

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Speaker 1: to PFT and other outlets, the owners will vote to

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Speaker 1: approve the sale of the Washington Commanders from Daniel Snyder

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Speaker 1: Commanders and the NFC East Heads up, guys, it's about

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Speaker 1: to change, because well could change, could it be worse? Shook?

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Speaker 1: The Commanders are about to be free of Snyder.

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Speaker 2: But we've celebrated this a few times now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and this time I think it's gonna happen. And

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Speaker 1: kind of the Big News today and with Nick Shook here,

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Speaker 2: Greg, Yeah, it's a weird thing where he's like a

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Speaker 1: So instead shook of me sharing some of my dad's

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Speaker 1: It, beautiful choices there, Shook and perhaps an all time

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Speaker 2: I think Shook officially likes rap more because he's talking

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Speaker 3: I do like Tyler though I'm a big I like

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because the Bills ended up getting back to the

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Speaker 3: I don't know why Andy thought they need to do that.

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Speaker 2: I just I just drew it up and I was like, well,

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Speaker 1: That was just totally unnecessary.

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Speaker 4: Greg, what is this the Basketball.

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Speaker 4: I feel like this is planned because I'm here because

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Speaker 4: working with EA on this. Like this is just I mean,

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Speaker 4: it's awkward. We're supporting them, you know, let's get through

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Speaker 4: twenty four, available in August.

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Speaker 3: WHOA, that was weird.

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Speaker 2: He's officially the first guard ever to be ninety nine. Well,

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Speaker 2: Those Madden articles do great.

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Speaker 1: They do great. The Peyton Hill is the number of

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Speaker 1: And that offensive line shook has regressed in recent years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Lesser remembered for good reason on that night, was

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Speaker 3: I can call him your boy. Can you call your

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Speaker 1: You bring great disgrace to the family.

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Speaker 2: I supported him on this. Denzel Mims take. I like

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Speaker 2: I hate my least favorite thing about stories like this

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Speaker 1: That's really a thing that seems a little strong man.

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Speaker 4: Isn't it fun that a Jets team that was lacking

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Speaker 2: One of my favorite parts of this, and it makes

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Speaker 3: That was Corey Dillon. A few I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Why I challenge, Why challenge a team to hold you out?

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna name some guys. This is good stuff here

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Speaker 1: Max Montoya, Lamar Parrish, Bob Trumpy, Reggie Williams. All will

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Speaker 1: remain from the original list of nominees. Those are some

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Speaker 1: guys capital esque capital G.

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Speaker 4: I was thinking TJ. Housman Zata might make it in there.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe not.

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Speaker 1: Yet on the list, but will be on the list

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Speaker 1: eventually when they hit whatever. You know, maybe it's five years.

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Speaker 4: Like they can all second facade within the stadium where

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Speaker 4: they put the names on right.

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Speaker 1: Geno Atkins, AJ Green, Andrew Whitworth all feel like future additions,

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Speaker 1: but they are not eligible yet. So we have you

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Speaker 1: totally covered on the Cincinnati Bengals Ring of Honor beat.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad.

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Speaker 2: We threw it out there six straight eleven hundred yard

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Speaker 2: seasons and most of those four of those were over

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Speaker 2: thirteen hundred yards.

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Speaker 3: That's pretty good, jud Jets.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Boomer was unbelievable. In nineteen eighty eight, he

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Speaker 1: won League MVP and I still, yes, I still picture

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Speaker 1: his final pass of the Dan Reno fake spike game

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Speaker 1: going through the back of the end zone and through

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Speaker 1: the uprights at Giants Stadium, kind of rubber stamped, like

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Speaker 1: his legacy in New York being the QB of that

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Speaker 1: team in that game. However, you know it worked out

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Speaker 1: for Boomer, who's a fantastically successful radio guy in New

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Speaker 1: York and obviously get paid, gets paid a lot for

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Speaker 1: by CBS as well. Boomer's doing all right, all right,

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Speaker 1: We're doing all right. Let's take a break. We'll be

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Speaker 1: right back.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Around the NFL. This is our last

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Speaker 1: remote show. I'm in Jersey. I'm in Jersey. That's my Springsteen.

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Speaker 1: Greg back in California, Shook in Ohio. We'll all be

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Speaker 1: back next week. I've booked by the Way Gregy, one

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Speaker 1: of our favorite guests and one of my favorite segments.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back at Connor Orr will be joining us

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Speaker 1: next week for Team Slogans for twenty twenty three, so

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Speaker 1: make sure you're there for that. Everybody.

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Speaker 2: It's Big Monday, Yeah in the studio, and I guess

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Speaker 2: we assume Sessler's you know, we'll return from his family trip,

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Speaker 2: but you never know.

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Speaker 1: It's just an assumption. And as you might expect, the

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Speaker 1: Hard Knocks podcast will also be returning in a couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks. That just so happens that the New York

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Speaker 1: Jets are the team, so kind of works out nicely

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Speaker 1: there for Zeuser getting an entire sub podcast series based

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Speaker 1: off coming off the Around the NFL Tree. Connie and

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Speaker 1: I will be doing weekly recaps every Tuesday, and we'll

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Speaker 1: be doing a preview show that's gonna land soon, so

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Speaker 1: that's exciting housekeeping. Finally, this is the Nick Shook episode

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Speaker 1: this summer, and we're getting to no Shook. We have

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Speaker 1: a segment that's a playoff is name, which is just

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Speaker 1: spicy as hell, Gregy whenever you could play off one

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Speaker 1: of the great last names in the industry. But before

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Speaker 1: we get to that, we heard his three Desert Island albums,

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Speaker 1: very hip hop heavy. He loves rap, Greg likes it,

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Speaker 1: Shook loves it. That's been noted. Now it's time for

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Speaker 1: Shook's three favorite sitcoms of all time. Now, what era

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Speaker 1: we going? We're going all time, Shooky were going retro

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Speaker 1: era decades.

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Speaker 4: Tell me what you guy, Now, we followed your suggested

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Speaker 4: format of nineties, two thousands and two. And there's gonna

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Speaker 4: be a little bit of blurring at the lines here

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Speaker 4: because some of these had been running for quite some

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Speaker 4: time and could you know, encompass multiple decades. But starting

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Speaker 4: with the nineties, what choice is there other than Seinfeld,

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Speaker 4: one of the greatest sitcoms of all time, dominated the decade,

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Speaker 4: incredible ratings. In the final episode. People were watching it

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Speaker 4: in Times Square when they had ctvs that were jumbotrons

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Speaker 4: and big squares. It was great. It's a great show.

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Speaker 1: I still watch it all the time and Shure, you're

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Speaker 1: you're significantly younger by I think, like a decade of

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Speaker 1: Greg and I something like that. I remember that night specifically,

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Speaker 1: when Seinfeld went off the air in May of ninety eight.

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Speaker 1: I had a baseball game. I was a high school senior,

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Speaker 1: and everybody was like racing back from the baseball game

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Speaker 1: to get home to watch the finale of Seinfeld, and

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Speaker 1: it was, you know, not the best, but it was

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Speaker 1: a very Looking back, it's very hard to close out

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Speaker 1: a show like that with that amount of hype around

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Speaker 1: the finale. But I also remember Frank's and I died

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Speaker 1: that night, and it was like this huge cultural moment

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Speaker 1: where maybe the greatest entertainer of the twentieth century.

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Speaker 2: I think you just broke the news to shook based

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Speaker 2: on the look on his face, Frank Sinatra is dead.

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Speaker 1: It's Frank Sinatra. Sinatra dies the same day Seinfeld ends,

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Speaker 1: which is the last great sitcom of the twentieth century.

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Speaker 4: That's you know, that was a big day, harrowing news

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Speaker 4: from the ABC News.

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Speaker 2: I love that you threw that out there, but it

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Speaker 2: does remind me of one of my all time favorite

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Speaker 2: or are you kidding me? Segments where Connor just spent

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Speaker 2: ten minutes destroying Seinfeld saying that it was overrated. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it was terrible, and that people like yourself, and I'm

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Speaker 2: always shocked our friend Sean Kelly, who's one of the

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Speaker 2: production people NFL, who's in his mid twenties, huge Seinfeld fan.

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Speaker 2: I'm almost surprised how much it's connected with the youth.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a bit of a tired take, and

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Speaker 1: I've gone a O'Connor every once in a while when

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Speaker 1: when his his takes seemed just designed to to to

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Speaker 1: shock an awe uh. Going after Seinfeld is not being

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Speaker 1: as good as people say it. I mean, I feel

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Speaker 1: like just people showing their ass and not realizing what

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Speaker 1: that show was doing and how different it was in

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Speaker 1: its era. That's my two cents.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's no Skip Bayless, though he believed it.

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Speaker 3: He believed That's why I loved.

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Speaker 1: It all right.

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Speaker 4: Number two show number two, we go to the two thousands,

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Speaker 4: and although it is still running because it came back

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Speaker 4: a cousin of Seinfeld Curb your Enthusiasm. Okay, great show

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Speaker 4: with both.

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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, kind of the same genre basically, yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I kind of a spinoff in a way. Really, it's

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Speaker 1: kind of yeah, kind of.

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Speaker 4: I'm a genre guye. This show gives me a lot

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Speaker 4: of anxiety because I don't like conflict that much, and

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Speaker 4: so I can't watch it before bed like I do

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Speaker 4: watch Seinfeld. But when I'm not going to bed, I

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Speaker 4: enjoy it very much.

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Speaker 1: Great show, probably should probably should go away, but it's fine, right,

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Speaker 1: Larry David could do whatever he wants.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I'm the ultimate. Yeah, I don't think

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Speaker 2: this was the intent, but it's like people fight over

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Speaker 2: credit a little bit. Everyone wants their credit, like different

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Speaker 2: coaches want credit. Larry David doing Curb sort of was

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Speaker 2: the ultimate, like I'm gonna go win five super Bowls

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Speaker 2: on my own when I won three with you and

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Speaker 2: prove who is the real the real there is.

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Speaker 1: There are some Brady Belichick parallels with Brady to the

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Speaker 1: Bucks being curb your enthusiasm.

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Speaker 4: Which is crazy because if you think about it, Seinfeld

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Speaker 4: would be Brady and Belichick would be Larry David. Literally

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Speaker 4: number three and finally number three the twenty tens. This

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Speaker 4: is a show that actually started in the two thousands,

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Speaker 4: and I watched this from when I was in high

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Speaker 4: school and I still watch it. It's always sunny in Philadelphia. Now,

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Speaker 4: this show has lost some steam in recent years and

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Speaker 4: this new season right now, it's hit or miss. One

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Speaker 4: episode is hilarious, another episode I could do without. But

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Speaker 4: the earlier seasons were premiere just top notched that like

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Speaker 4: Seinfeld was doing something different in the nineties, always Sonny

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Speaker 4: was doing something very different when they first came around

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Speaker 4: and with no money for a long time, and it

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Speaker 4: has remained very popular.

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Speaker 1: I like this because I understand your sensibilities now shook,

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Speaker 1: and it is a great choice. I do agree. I

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Speaker 1: love the early years, especially when the show in addition

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Speaker 1: to all the characters being grimy, look grimy, it just

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Speaker 1: looked cheap. And now I've when I stumble upon a

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Speaker 1: recent episode, I'm taken aback by how they all kind

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Speaker 1: of look like TV stars and the lighting is better.

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Speaker 1: But it's followed that always sunny. Excuse me, it's followed

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Speaker 1: the curb format. In fact, I think in an interview

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Speaker 1: one of the guys said, like one of the tenets

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Speaker 1: of the show continuing as long as that has been

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Speaker 1: is like Larry David was like, you don't have to

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Speaker 1: end it. You could just keep things going. You could

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Speaker 1: take a couple of years off. Don't have to end

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Speaker 1: of show, dude, as long as you want. I saw

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Speaker 1: a recent episode that the Chuck E Cheese type episode,

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Speaker 1: which I was funny as hell. So they still have

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Speaker 1: they could reach back and hit ninety two on the

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Speaker 1: gun every once in a while, but Pek always sunny. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that I'll laugh my ass off on that show.

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Speaker 4: I like how they stay topical too, Like they even

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Speaker 4: made an episode related to the chest cheating scandal that

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Speaker 4: happened last year where Frank ends up getting inserted into

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Speaker 4: the chess tournament. And yeah, it's just hilarious. St hilarious.

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Speaker 1: Greg, we're learning about him.

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Speaker 3: I we need to do this more.

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Speaker 1: All right. With that said, I feel.

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Speaker 3: We learned that he liked F one.

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Speaker 2: By the way, everyone should check out his his podcast

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Speaker 2: that combines football and F one, the grid Iron Podcast,

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Speaker 2: which I have to admit, Shook, I've seen you promote

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Speaker 2: on Instagram and everyone and I thought it was a

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Speaker 2: combined football weightlifting podcast and that the Iron men, because

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Speaker 2: you guys, you know, you're a big guy. I don't

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Speaker 2: know about your co host, but so I thought that's

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Speaker 2: a weird angle. The weightlifting football podcast F one makes

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Speaker 2: more sense to me.

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Speaker 4: It's a new segment idea. Why not let's incorporate Wait.

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Speaker 1: How about this? How about this? You're knowledgeable in all

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Speaker 1: three fields, So grid represents F one pumping that would

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Speaker 1: be the weightlifting component, and then Iron for football Grid

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Speaker 1: pumping Iron. That's just keep on drawing this out and

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Speaker 1: adding elements of the show. It's a it's a three.

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Speaker 4: Header grid pumping sizzling iron, we get cooking involved, you know,

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Speaker 4: just keep going, going and going till it's a giant

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Speaker 4: mouthful like you never get out.

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Speaker 1: All right, Nick Schuck has a great name, a great

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Speaker 1: last name, So we just built an entire segment on it.

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Speaker 1: With training camp and a new season upon us, it's

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Speaker 1: time for us to share what has a shook in

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Speaker 1: the NFL right now? And it's uh. I think it's

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Speaker 1: it's pretty self explanatory, like things that are just gnoying

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Speaker 1: at us a little bit, things that have us a

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Speaker 1: little annoyvous. Perhaps you annoy us about certain things. As

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Speaker 1: the season kicks off.

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Speaker 2: I feel like Shuk's last name has been the subject

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Speaker 2: of many different segments, like I've seen it on NFL Network,

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Speaker 2: but none of better than what hasse is Shuck. This

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Speaker 2: was there the whole time, Shuck. You could have taken it.

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Speaker 3: You blew it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good morning football. If you want to have Nick on,

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Speaker 1: there's a free bee for you.

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Speaker 4: I don't have any agency over my name. In fact,

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Speaker 4: I just push people away from using my name because

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Speaker 4: this is the first reply I say something on Twitter,

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Speaker 4: I'm shook. Would you see that? But here it's fine?

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Speaker 1: All right? Great, and again sorry about the cross contamination

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Speaker 1: with your Madden business relationship. That was totally unintentional.

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Speaker 4: You know how many emails I don't have to send? Now, Dan,

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Speaker 4: everybody back into good graces.

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Speaker 1: All right? So why don't we get it started with

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Speaker 1: Nick Shook? What has you shook about the NFL right

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Speaker 1: now as we enter a new season.

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Speaker 4: Maybe I'm just off base, maybe I'm out of touch,

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Speaker 4: but I find it hard to believe that Ron Rivera

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Speaker 4: would tie his future in the NFL as a head

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Speaker 4: coach to a quarterback who played just one games rookie

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Speaker 4: last year. That seems to be the prevailing wisdom. And

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Speaker 4: if that actually does happen, I'll be shook because, quite frankly,

658
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Speaker 4: you couldn't choose a less stable way to go about

659
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Speaker 4: trying to keep your job, especially with Jacoby Brissett on

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Speaker 4: the roster. I mean, that's why you go sign the

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Speaker 4: guy right security? He went and played pretty well in

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Speaker 4: Cleveland last year in a team that was influx. This

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Speaker 4: team has talent at receiver, has talent running back, still

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Speaker 4: pretty talented upfront as well. Why not go with the

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Speaker 4: veteran when this could be your last year. Don't be

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Speaker 4: the savior, Ron, save yourself.

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Speaker 2: It has been a little surprising that coming out of

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Speaker 2: the offseason workouts that there doesn't seem to be a battle.

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Speaker 2: That it's one of the few big surprises of the

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Speaker 2: ota season, like that actually they gave Jacoby Brissett all

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Speaker 2: that money, more than any other backup in the market got,

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Speaker 2: and that he's not going to get a chance to compete.

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Speaker 3: But I'm not shook about this.

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Speaker 1: I like it, all right, Yeah, I am. I'm definitely

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Speaker 1: shook about it. Talked about it on the show. It

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Speaker 1: seems like Ron is just in a vulnerable place. We

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Speaker 1: led the show today obviously talking about the sale of

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Speaker 1: the franchise and the inevitable transition and that comes with

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Speaker 1: new ownership. And I feel like Ron is kind of

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Speaker 1: in a knowing situation here unless something really unexpected happens,

681
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Speaker 1: like Howell plays his ass off. That's like the is

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Speaker 1: that the only way Ron keeps his job here? They

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Speaker 1: got it. Howell plays his ass off, surprises a lot

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Speaker 1: of people, and they have a winning record. Otherwise, you

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Speaker 1: just I just assume that that they're gonna want to

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Speaker 1: totally clean slate after you know, no organization's been dirtier

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Speaker 1: than the Commanders than this team, so they're gonna want

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Speaker 1: to start over, unless to.

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Speaker 2: Hell Mary, maybe I think they got to make the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: With a new owner, you have to make the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: It's his year four. I think it's a decent looking roster.

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Speaker 2: I did the NFC East preview actually with Mina Kimes

693
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Speaker 2: on her podcast people to check that out, and like,

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Speaker 2: I went back to watch that that Howell start in

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Speaker 2: a little bit of his preseass. I know it's just

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Speaker 2: one start, but I'm very intrigued. I think he went

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Speaker 2: through his reads quickly. I think he passes the baseline

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Speaker 2: of NFL quarterbacks, which is if you protect him, he's

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Speaker 2: gonna be fine. And then I think he has the

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Speaker 2: plus traits that you don't see necessarily out of like

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Speaker 2: a Desmond Ritter. Certainly, like that one start he made

702
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Speaker 2: getting to his second read really quickly quite a lot

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Speaker 2: of times. And then we know he can run. He's

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Speaker 2: a little smaller. That worries you that he runs too much,

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Speaker 2: but he can run, and he can throw a very

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Speaker 2: pretty go ball. Like there's some plus traits. I'm excited

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Speaker 2: to watch it. It's made me more excited to watch.

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Speaker 1: The Commanders than I have been such a I get it,

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Speaker 1: it's good and obviously good to watch a tape, but

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Speaker 1: one game is such a small sample size that you

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Speaker 1: know the opponent, how they good.

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Speaker 2: In the preseason two I would say like, yeah, I

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Speaker 2: know it's not that much, but I'm but I'm saying

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Speaker 2: that one game.

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Speaker 3: I was thinking about it.

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Speaker 2: I went back and looked at I did little grading

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Speaker 2: the QB Index stuff, and it's like it was probably

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Speaker 2: better than any start Daniel Jones made his rookie year,

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Speaker 2: or like Drew Locke made his rookie year. I was

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Speaker 2: trying to think of like mid level quarterbacks, and like

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Speaker 2: it was a really good performance.

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Speaker 1: That's all I think.

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Speaker 4: Go ahead. If you're worried about your job. It's such

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Speaker 4: a risky play, and with new ownership, you can almost

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Speaker 4: guarantee that you're gone, unless, like you guys said, you

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Speaker 4: make the playoffs. Putting writing with that, I mean, you're

727
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Speaker 4: being the caretaker of the club that's probably not going

728
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Speaker 4: to keep you around if you're just trying to develop

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Speaker 4: this guy.

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Speaker 2: If I was Eric b Enemy, I'd be a little

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Speaker 2: shook too that this is his big chance. But I

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Speaker 2: think they think they're gonna win with running defense.

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Speaker 1: We'll see it just kind of similar this topic, so

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Speaker 1: this will be a good sag. I part of me likes,

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Speaker 1: like if I'm a Bucks fan, part of me likes

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Speaker 1: their decision to not say, oh, well Tom's gone now Tom,

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Speaker 1: by the way, you know, he lost thirty million dollars

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Speaker 1: in the collapse of FTX thirty million, and I know

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Speaker 1: he's got a lot of money, but he's also you know,

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Speaker 1: getting divorced or just got divorced, Like thirty million. That hurts.

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Speaker 2: I think I think that is a level that is

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Speaker 2: a significant amount of pain for Tom Brady.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I don't know how rich you have to be

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Speaker 3: for that not to hurt.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you what if if you called me and

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Speaker 4: said you're you just lost thirty million dollars, yeae, I'd

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Speaker 4: be shook.

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Speaker 1: Would it be enough for Tom maybe to end up

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Speaker 1: playing another year. It's the only way for Tom Brady

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Speaker 1: to make thirty million like that is just to play

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Speaker 1: one more season in the NFL. I don't know, it

752
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Speaker 1: doesn't matter, or it does, we'll see, But the Bucks

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Speaker 1: did make this decision not to just start over post Brady,

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Speaker 1: and I don't necessarily agree with it. But at the

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Speaker 1: same time, if you're a Bucks fan, you look at

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Speaker 1: this division, the NFC South, they say, all right, I

757
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Speaker 1: can talk ourselves into this. But what has me shook

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Speaker 1: is the pivot. I don't think Baker Mayfield could play

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Speaker 1: at this level in a consistent basis. I've kind of

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Speaker 1: thought that for a couple of years, and sometimes he'll

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Speaker 1: drop a game that will get you excited, and he

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Speaker 1: does have that sizzle and that he there's a Q

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Speaker 1: rating with Baker that I think far exceeds his abilities

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Speaker 1: as a quarterback. So I'm shook if I'm a Bucks

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Speaker 1: fan that like you do this. You bring back Bulls

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Speaker 1: who obviously I think needs to make the playoffs this year,

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Speaker 1: and you bring back a lot of the veterans on defense,

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Speaker 1: and you keep godwinning Mike Evans when you probably could

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Speaker 1: have started looking toward the future and made some trades

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Speaker 1: this offseason potentially, And now it's Baker. And if Baker

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Speaker 1: falls on his face like he has every year the

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Speaker 1: last three or four years, it's Kyle Trask, a second

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Speaker 1: round pick who you're obviously not too fond of or

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Speaker 1: high on at this point based on some decisions they've made.

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Speaker 1: I just, you know, i'd be a little shook if

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Speaker 1: I'm a Bucks fan, happy that we're not, you know, tanking,

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Speaker 1: but a little concerned about the overall plan and what

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Speaker 1: Todd Bowles can do with a quarterback like that.

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Speaker 4: I think the circumstances that give the Buccaneers fans hope

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Speaker 4: with this situation, like oh, the Baker just needs to

781
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Speaker 4: be like average and we have enough talent around him

782
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Speaker 4: to win, is the same circumstances that leave me shook,

783
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Speaker 4: which is that if he's not that guy, everything's falling apart.

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Speaker 4: I mean, cleaning house top to bottom. That was what

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Speaker 4: would leave me very word going to the season. No

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Speaker 4: longer can Tom Brady protect you? And he did his

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Speaker 4: best to protect you last year and you barely got

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Speaker 4: to the finish line. I mean it was it was

789
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Speaker 4: a rough year. I can't imagine it's could be any

790
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Speaker 4: better this time around. It's a tough scene and perhaps,

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Speaker 4: like you said, Dan, before long they're going to be

792
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Speaker 4: starting over.

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Speaker 2: I'm so there. The odds makers most likely team to

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Speaker 2: finish in the cellar in that division by far, like

795
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Speaker 2: it's the other three, the Falcons and the Saints especially

796
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Speaker 2: are way ahead of them. I don't see it that way,

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Speaker 2: but I do totally agree with you, Dan, because I

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Speaker 2: look at it like which teams potentially are gonna be

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Speaker 2: I sores for me personally, like four or five weeks

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Speaker 2: into the season that I'm like getting tired of watching them,

801
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Speaker 2: and it would be a bummer to be watching like

802
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Speaker 2: a one in four Bucks team with Baker and Todd.

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Speaker 3: Bowles is miserable.

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Speaker 2: And all these guys who won Super Bowls are just

805
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Speaker 2: like slogging through a bad season. They are high up

806
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Speaker 2: there on the like potential unwatchable teams, So I hope

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Speaker 2: they at least can just like stay mediocre.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, I know Brady finally did regress

809
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Speaker 1: last season, and I would say, like, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you guys agree, but the last season of Tom Brady,

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Speaker 1: if that was, he was maybe a replacement level or

812
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Speaker 1: a touch above because of obviously his genius knowledge of

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Speaker 1: how the quarterback position has played, and he still had

814
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Speaker 1: an arm. It just it wasn't happening. But remember how

815
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Speaker 1: how much of a slog they were to watch with

816
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Speaker 1: Brady at a lesser, lesser level or closer a league

817
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Speaker 1: average level. Now, if you took this team and gave

818
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Speaker 1: them a below average or a maybe even a bottom

819
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Speaker 1: five quarterback room, yeah, this could get very grim. So

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Speaker 1: I am shook. I'm officially shook. Nick shook two for two.

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Speaker 1: All right, greg Ee, you're.

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Speaker 2: Up, Okay, I'm shook that the Packers are behind the

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Speaker 2: Bears in the preseason odds. I'm leaning hard on the

824
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Speaker 2: preseason odds. Like I'm shook that the expectation is that

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Speaker 2: the Bears are going to be much better and that

826
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Speaker 2: the Packers are this disaster team that's gonna be in

827
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Speaker 2: the cellar there. Not like the odds are too different,

828
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Speaker 2: But this makes no sense to me. Not just like

829
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Speaker 2: looking at which team has won more games over the

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Speaker 2: last two or three years, Like I think that's a factor.

831
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Speaker 2: Like a lot of the same players are there on

832
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Speaker 2: both teams, But just looking at Green Bay's defensive roster

833
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Speaker 2: is money. I think the coaching staff, the coach, the

834
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Speaker 2: offensive coaching staff is money. I think the offensive line

835
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Speaker 2: is a little boom or bust, but it could be really,

836
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Speaker 2: really good. And it's just like all on the quarterback

837
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Speaker 2: combined with the Bears lost a lot of close games

838
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Speaker 2: last year, but I think they have a long way

839
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Speaker 2: to go still on their defense, I want justin Field

840
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Speaker 2: to be good.

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Speaker 3: I hope he's good.

842
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Speaker 2: But the optimism I've seen from Bears fans this offseason,

843
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Speaker 2: where they just they think it's all happening right now,

844
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Speaker 2: worries me a little bit. It has me shook that

845
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Speaker 2: they're gonna be disappointed, and especially for the rest of

846
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Speaker 2: the division. Who thinks, Okay, Aaron Rodgers is finally gone,

847
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Speaker 2: like we can finally do our thing.

848
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Speaker 3: I don't know, man.

849
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Speaker 2: I think Jordan Love has a chance to be good,

850
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 2: and more importantly, the rest of the roster is good,

851
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Speaker 2: and they're they are not going into the cellar.

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Speaker 3: I'm shook.

853
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Speaker 4: Yeah. For as much as we depend on quarterback value

854
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 4: quarterback in this league, at the same time, if your

855
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 4: team around it is around that quarterback is much better,

856
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Speaker 4: I think you have a better shot. I mean, we've

857
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Speaker 4: seen teams go win Super Bowls with you know, average quarterbacks. Great,

858
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 4: that was a while ago, but it happens. I'm not

859
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Speaker 4: saying they're going to win a super Bowl. But the

860
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 4: Bears were not a good football team last year. They

861
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Speaker 4: had an exciting quarterback, but they had a lot of

862
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 4: you know, ground to make up and one exciting offseason

863
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 4: of moves and suddenly the optimism is you know, at

864
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Speaker 4: a fever pitch in Chicago. I'm right there with you, Greg.

865
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 4: I am also shook at by the fact that Bears

866
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 4: fan I mean, maybe they just need a reason to

867
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 4: get get up for the season. But it's not gonna

868
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 4: be an overnight success, at least not in my opinion,

869
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 4: and in comparison to the Packers, I think that's going

870
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 4: to be a tough frog to leap.

871
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: We are all in lockstep on this one because one

872
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: of my possibilities here, if it hadn't been brought up,

873
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: was me comma and Bears fans Comma are over our

874
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: skis with the Justin Fields type because you can and

875
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys have seen it as well when

876
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: you if you read about this team, you could pop

877
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: the hood on a lot of fields as stats and

878
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: beyond the playmaking, there's reasons to be concerned about his

879
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: development as a passer. And I know he's out there

880
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: in the media now and you know Eric Kramer finding

881
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: Eric Kramer has the team record for yardage in a

882
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: season three eight hundred yards and Fields of saying, oh yeah,

883
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,479
Speaker 1: I'm breaking that this year four thousand yards. I'm being

884
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: the first Chicago Bears quarterback in history to do that.

885
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 1: We kind of have to see it. We have to

886
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: see that development from that side of the game. We

887
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: also have to see him stay healthy. He plays a

888
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: very physical brand of football obviously. So while I am

889
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: in on the Bears, maybe I know the Lions are

890
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: kind of the favorite in the division and the Packers,

891
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: I agree, are kind of overlooked right now as a

892
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: team that has a real chance to come out of

893
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: that division on top. While I see the Bears could

894
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: be the team that has the biggest jump win loss record.

895
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: There's also another side of this, and we can't ignore

896
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 1: everything that we've seen with Fields and only study on

897
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: the electrifying side of his game.

898
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, our friend Adam Rank, you know, big Bears guy,

899
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 2: I had them going twelve and five on his.

900
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 3: That's what I mean.

901
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 2: It's like, just be careful, you're setting yourself up here, all.

902
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: Right, Chuck, give us another one, Bud, all right.

903
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 4: I am shook by the idea of playing a Super

904
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 4: Bowl in Las Vegas. I'm shook by the the the

905
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 4: challenge it will be not to not have a good time,

906
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 4: but to not have too much of a good time

907
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 4: for some of the folks that will be involved in

908
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 4: the super Bowl weekly festivities. You know, no, no, come

909
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 4: on now, I'm I'm a mature adult and a professional.

910
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 4: But I don't know if everybody else that's around the

911
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 4: super Bowl is gonna be it's gonna be a mad house.

912
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 4: I mean, bottom line's gonna be crazy. Everything's gonna be condensed.

913
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 4: You know, We're not gonna be all spread out like

914
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 4: you were in the Phoenix area last year, like you

915
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 4: were in Miami. It's all right there, and I don't know.

916
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 4: I just some interesting things have happened since pro sports

917
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 4: have moved to Vegas, putting a super Bowl there, It's

918
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 4: gonna be quite a spectacle. But behind the scenes, I

919
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 4: don't know.

920
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 1: All right, Well, we got through the Draft last year

921
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: without incident. Obviously, that's a different vibe, far less parties

922
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: and things of that nature. I have to I have

923
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,439
Speaker 1: to be honest with you guys. I well, a little

924
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: bit of personal news, family news. My my father injured

925
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: his achilles a couple of weeks ago and needed to

926
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: undergo surgery. So Keith is, you know, down right now,

927
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: and he's got a rehabit in front of him, and

928
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, the Super bowls in February, and you

929
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: know my team that I love is oh all right.

930
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: And here I am thinking, if the Jets ever made

931
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl in my lifetime, I am not not

932
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: watching that game without my dad by my side. And

933
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about my dad's rehab and I'm counting the

934
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: months and I'm saying, okay, is this even? Is this?

935
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 1: Am I jinxing the Jets by even trying to figure

936
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: my dad's rehab Achilles schedule? And February I just got

937
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: to get Keith to Vegas if it ever happened the unthinkable.

938
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: So that was ad has Mesha that that whole situation.

939
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: I'm less worried about the things you're worried about, Shook,

940
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: but I hope everyone is responsible. I mean, you're not

941
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: a father Shook yet. But this really shows that you

942
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: will be a good dad, Nick, because you know, you

943
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 1: think about these things.

944
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 4: Get the bet on time kids a lot, by the way,

945
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 4: like one of those things that you put on the

946
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 4: wall to count down by them by the second to kickoff.

947
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 2: Feel better, Keith, I, I didn't know that. I know

948
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 2: he's gonna have a heroic recovery in time for this

949
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 2: Jet super Bowl.

950
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 3: What a story that would be.

951
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 2: I mean, he's the real you know hero here of

952
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 2: the the Around the NFL podcast. That would be an

953
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 2: amazing plot line. I'm not as worried about, uh, the Vegas,

954
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 2: but you're just because it's going to be crazy. And

955
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 2: I'm all about Nick like at this point, not saying

956
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 2: we've done everything, but we've been to a lot of

957
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 2: super Bowls in this seems so different from any super

958
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 2: Bowl that we've ever done.

959
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 3: That that excites me.

960
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 2: But I also hear you that six seven nights in

961
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 2: Vegas feels feels like too much. Probably yeah, any recommended

962
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 2: maximum for anyone. Uh and this is the year. Actually

963
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 2: I promised Walker that he would make his first one.

964
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 2: It's it's close enough, you know, they can get there quickly.

965
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 2: So my son will, I hope, see his first super

966
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 2: Bowl in Las Vegas.

967
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: That's beautiful. Yeah, we're we're getting old, Greg, and our

968
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: kids are starting to grow up. I've thought about that myself,

969
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: about when we're fortunate enough to be able to take

970
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 1: people to the Super Bowl when when the games occur,

971
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: that's cool, all right, Now, I'm up one more from me.

972
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit shook that the report that came

973
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,720
Speaker 1: out of the jets of band cameras from filming cuts

974
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 1: on hard knocks in general. I'm a little shook about

975
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: hard knocks in the future of hard knocks, but I'm

976
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: not going to go down that road.

977
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 3: Have any team ever done that in the path?

978
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: I think there are been teams that may be more

979
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: on the it wasn't kind of reported because this has

980
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: become like the story around the season is that the

981
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: team doesn't want to do it. So I think there's

982
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: more reporting around this season for that reason. But I

983
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: think it's definitely been de emphasized but not entirely eliminated

984
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: for the most part. And we mentioned Chad Johnson one

985
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 1: of the most memorable hard knocks and it's an unfortunate

986
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: storyline around his NFL career. But when Chad Ochosenko with

987
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: the Dolphins during the Joe Fildman era was on that

988
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: show and he got arrested for a domestic violence incident,

989
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: they had the cameras in camp when Phildman and Jeff Ireland,

990
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: I believe it was let Johnson go, and it was

991
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: obviously an emotionally charged moment for this great player who

992
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: was seeing his career end in an unceremonious fashion. I

993
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: don't know if It's career actually ended there, but his

994
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 1: Dolphins career ended. That will not be part of things

995
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: in Hard Knocks. But I guess what really has me

996
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: shook is all these running backs reportedly on a group

997
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 1: text chat talking about revenge or plotting some type of

998
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: to borrow a sessler'sm kudeta against an NFL that has

999
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: turned its back on them and financially penalized them for

1000
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:34,720
Speaker 1: the position they play. On Monday's program, we talked about

1001
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: the franchise tag deadline for long term deals, and sure enough,

1002
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs, the NFL rushing leader, last year a truce

1003
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 1: titan of the position. Talks never even came close. Between

1004
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: the Raiders and Jacobs, the Giants and Saquon Barkley, talks

1005
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: stalled over a report out there is a two million

1006
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 1: dollar difference, but the I said, now we're walking away

1007
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: from this. We're just not going to do it. Players

1008
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 1: like Derrick Henry and Austin Eckler had extremely pointed commentary

1009
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: on Twitter, and then there was that report that they're

1010
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: all conspiring on a text chain. Wouldn't you like to

1011
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: be on that? Let's listen to Saquon Barkley by the way,

1012
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: just to give you an idea of how upset these

1013
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: running backs are. And I know Greg poopu the whole

1014
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: thing on Monday and then said, you know they're damn millionaires,

1015
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 1: So why did say that?

1016
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 2: I just was like, this is this storyline has gotten

1017
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 2: a lot of airtime, that's all.

1018
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: I think it's deserved. I think it's a very a

1019
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: just cause that these running backs are are speaking out

1020
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: on because it is bonkers to me, the point that

1021
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,959
Speaker 1: it's gotten to. Anyway, here's Saquon talking about his situation

1022
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: on the Money Matters podcast. I would say cut the giants.

1023
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 5: I'd say to my teammates and be like, you want

1024
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 5: me show you my work? I want to show you

1025
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 5: how much how valuable I am to the team. I

1026
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 5: won't show up, I won't play it down. And that's

1027
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 5: a that's a that's a that's a play I can

1028
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:08,399
Speaker 5: use do I anybody knows me knows that's not something

1029
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 5: I want to do. But like it's something that has

1030
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 5: It's something that crossed my mind. It say, I never

1031
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 5: I never thought I would ever do that, But now

1032
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 5: I'm at a point where it's like Jesus, like I

1033
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 5: might have to take it to this level, And like,

1034
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 5: am I willing? Am I prepared to take it to

1035
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 5: the level?

1036
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think Barkley will hold out.

1037
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: I think he's even saying it there like because he's

1038
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: not h he's not willing to do that to his

1039
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: teammates and and disappear for a long stretcher the whole season.

1040
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: And we saw with Le'Veon Bell what happens sometimes or

1041
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: potentially if you walk away for a year. Greg Pro

1042
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: Football Talk, your old boss Florio had a good post

1043
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: about what what actual what can running backs do? And

1044
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: he pointed out that a holdout after year three, if

1045
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,760
Speaker 1: you're coming off year three, is really your only chance

1046
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: because they you're far enough away where they it can't

1047
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: be a situation where they're just gonna look to tag

1048
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 1: you after year four or year five. If you're a

1049
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: first round pick and if you're coming off that big

1050
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,919
Speaker 1: third year. Zeke Elliott was able to turn that into

1051
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: an extension. Barkley to use him as an example, that's

1052
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: when he tore his ACL so he had no leverage.

1053
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: He wasn't able to do that. So if you have

1054
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 1: a big third season, you could turn that into a payday. Otherwise,

1055
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: once they get you to that the end of that

1056
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: first contract, they're just gonna play ball like this with you.

1057
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: Whether you like it or not. It's just become the

1058
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: way the league is being run business wise.

1059
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, I think Jacobs and Barkley are in

1060
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 2: Pollard to a lesser degree, are interesting examples of that.

1061
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 2: They didn't have that leverage they've they had up and

1062
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 2: down careers coming off year three. Like that's I don't

1063
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 2: think it's overheated. I think it's an interesting conversation. But

1064
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,240
Speaker 2: like Joe Mixon, Dalvin Cook, Alvin Kamara, all those guys

1065
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 2: actually did get paid because they were consistently.

1066
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 3: At a high level.

1067
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,280
Speaker 2: And when you look at the salaries or running backs

1068
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 2: they're similar still, Like even though they've they've stagnated, there

1069
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 2: are in the ballpark of tight ends and safeties like

1070
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:11,240
Speaker 2: no one no one's crying for the safety market getting

1071
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 2: overlooked in free agency every year, And that kind of

1072
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 2: makes sense to me that those three positions would be

1073
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 2: a little lower. The problem is, and I hope all

1074
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 2: this attention uh raises light to it is in the

1075
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 2: CBA in that like, I don't think the rookie contracts,

1076
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 2: the way it structured, how you're stuck on the team

1077
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 2: and how low those rookie contracts are is probably unfair

1078
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,760
Speaker 2: in general, but it's especially unfair to running backs because

1079
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 2: that's when their careers peak. And I do think there's

1080
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 2: probably something that could be revisited. Unfortunately for the players

1081
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 2: not for a long time, like they like agreed to

1082
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 2: this CBA and it's a totally different NFL than it

1083
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 2: was before this rookie raid wage scale came in. And

1084
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 2: I think the rookie wage scale was so far in

1085
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 2: one direction for the top players that they they probably

1086
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 2: over corrected. And it's almost insane how great a value

1087
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 2: any rookie is on a O contract, and especially running

1088
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 2: backs who burn out quickly.

1089
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think about you know, you talk about that

1090
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 4: year three Mark. I think about a DeVonta Freeman, you know,

1091
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 4: he drafted in fourteen, extended in seventeen and the Falcons

1092
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,399
Speaker 4: regretted it shortly thereafter. I mean, there's there's been enough

1093
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:15,879
Speaker 4: lessons in the last decade or.

1094
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 2: So, right, Cook didn't get to the end of that contract.

1095
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 2: These running backs usually don't.

1096
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 4: Neither did Zeke obviously, Yeah, yeah, and Girly kind of

1097
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 4: a similar case as well.

1098
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 2: See they did mix in for that matter. He just

1099
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 2: got he had to take a pay cut.

1100
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's it's really tough to be a running back.

1101
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 4: And this is very legion of doom though this this

1102
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 4: text chain, I like this. I liked them sitting around

1103
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 4: and speaking with you know, I don't know lawyers or

1104
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 4: we're all gonna because by the time that CBA comes up,

1105
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 4: they're done. But maybe they're going to pass it on

1106
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 4: to the next generation and get theirranks out in the meantime.

1107
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 1: And Derek Henry, who did get that second contract with

1108
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: the Titans, and by the way, he's performed well throughout

1109
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 1: the life of it as the entrance his last year

1110
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: four years fifty million. Like that money though, Greg like

1111
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: that puts him like in line with what like number

1112
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: two wide receivers, get right, I mean he for so,

1113
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 1: what these true star players are saying is like, if

1114
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 1: you're gonna pay out a wide receiver, I think that's

1115
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: the closest positional group in terms of playmaker on the

1116
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: offense that makes the team go. Why are we not

1117
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: getting paid like these wide House or even guys that

1118
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: are below the top tier white House? Why we in

1119
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: a in a lower class. It's just a positional group

1120
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: screw job. It's like the Montreal screw job of a

1121
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: roster payout.

1122
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1123
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 2: I think people, I think the fact that it's not

1124
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 2: just PFF, it's people who think like PFF that work

1125
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 2: for NFL buildings just think wide receiver is twice as

1126
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 2: valuable a position.

1127
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 1: Hmm. I don't think that's true, but Okay, that's the way.

1128
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 2: I just think that's the thinking that has gone into it,

1129
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 2: that they just think wide receivers are more important.

1130
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 1: All right, give us one more Greg, here we go, baby, Okay.

1131
00:56:54,480 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 2: I'm I'm a little shook about the Cowboy offense in general,

1132
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 2: the way Mike McCarthy talks in general, the fact that

1133
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 2: he hired Brian Schottenheimer and Mike Solari. Schottenheimer enough said.

1134
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 2: Celari has been on the Cowboys coaching staff previously. It

1135
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 2: was under Tom Landry. That's how long their offensive line

1136
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,479
Speaker 2: coach has been around. Like this is as old school

1137
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 2: as it gets, and then specifically when it comes to

1138
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 2: McCarthy a little shook. How they're like looking at this

1139
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 2: offensive line right now. Tyler Swift was probably the best

1140
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 2: left tackle that was a rookie in the league last year,

1141
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 2: better than the two top ten picks, and they're probably

1142
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 2: gonna play him at guard because like Tyron Smith doesn't

1143
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 2: really fit at right tackle and he's a future Hall

1144
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 2: of Famer, And then they have Terren Steele who's coming

1145
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 2: off right and they just think, like, Okay, we can

1146
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 2: get our best five out here if we put our

1147
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 2: rookie back at guard. It just it all feels a

1148
00:57:55,640 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 2: little weird, like conservative thinking. And if you've got a

1149
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 2: rookie left tackle that plays that well, moving him around

1150
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 2: because of like an oft injured couple of veterans doesn't

1151
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 2: make a lot of sense, And just in really supports

1152
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 2: the conservative thinking. I would say that's going on in

1153
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 2: Dallas has me a little worried, has me shook.

1154
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 4: I mean, they kind of ran into this situation last year.

1155
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 4: This is what they dealt with. I was the succession plan.

1156
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 4: All right, he can play guarden and then Tyrann's going

1157
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 4: to retire and Tyler's going to take over, and you

1158
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 4: know Rench was thrown to the plans. I agree with you,

1159
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 4: but I also see their logic to get the best

1160
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 4: five out there. My only thing is that Jason Peters

1161
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 4: ended up in this starting lineup last year because of this, Right, Like,

1162
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 4: you got to plan a little bit better than they

1163
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 4: have for similar scenarios when you have an oft injured

1164
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 4: tackle like Tyron Smith. So I yeah, I'm more shook

1165
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 4: about the fact that Mike McCarthy's calling plays than anything

1166
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 4: that he's taking over the offense and decided to split

1167
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 4: with Kellen Moore in an acrimonious way, and we already

1168
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 4: know that he struggles with managing the claw sometimes. So

1169
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 4: it's I mean, you're on the line. Now, Wait are

1170
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 4: they gonna run more?

1171
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 2: He talks like they're just gonna run more, but they

1172
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 2: already were running too much ineffectively, and now they don't

1173
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 2: really have any depth behind Pollard, who's coming off a

1174
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 2: serious injury.

1175
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 3: It's a little weird.

1176
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: We'll see Zeke's gonna end up back there. It feels like, right,

1177
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 1: just feels like for a team that is conservative and

1178
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 1: how they're kind of rolling this plan out wouldn't they

1179
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 1: bring back the guy that knows their scheme that they

1180
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: could trust to, whether it's blocking assignments or know, you know,

1181
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: how they like to run the football. Maybe it's Stafl. Cook,

1182
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 1: as we talked about a Monday, but Zeke at a

1183
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: much reduced rate, giving them a little security blanket feels

1184
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: in line with the kind of ethos of where they're

1185
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: at right now.

1186
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 2: Offensively, I'd feel differently about them if they signed Cook.

1187
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 2: I think that'd be the best spot for him. Maybe

1188
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 2: Kareem Hunt even, but someone one.

1189
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:54,439
Speaker 4: Of those guys makes sense.

1190
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 1: We'll be doing our annual head coach hot butt rankings

1191
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks, and McCarthy's an interesting one

1192
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 1: because I'm just one thing I'm not sure about is

1193
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 1: what constitutes an acceptable level of success for McCarthy to

1194
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 1: have another year on the sidelines. Like what is Jarah

1195
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,439
Speaker 1: expecting from this team? I mean, he's expecting a super

1196
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 1: Bowl because he's Jerah, but like what would be deemed

1197
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 1: a fireable offense in terms of a bottom line result

1198
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 1: for the twenty twenty three Cowboys. Kind of stick a

1199
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 1: pin in that. But I think it's a nice little

1200
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 1: plot line in the NFC.

1201
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think getting read of your offensive coordinator exposes

1202
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 4: you to that and makes it something that we definitely

1203
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 4: have to watch for sure.

1204
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 1: Good call. That is one of those things like when

1205
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 1: you're trying to figure out how safe a coach is

1206
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 1: if they made a coordinator change, that's kind of using

1207
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 1: their mulligan, if you will. That's their little protection card,

1208
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: and once that's done, you're more in the firing line.

1209
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: All right, shooky, damn man, you said it all. I

1210
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: feel like we learned a lot about Nick today, Greg.

1211
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 1: I feel I feel closer to Nick, and I feel

1212
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 1: like we should keep Nick in the mix to be

1213
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: on the Sunday Night flagship program based on I just

1214
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 1: I like the guy. I don't know, I just like

1215
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 1: the guy.

1216
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 2: I mean same, I don't know if people don't. We

1217
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:18,439
Speaker 2: go back pretty far with Nick. How when when were

1218
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 2: you hired Nick?

1219
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 4: I mean the first time or the second time?

1220
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 2: The first time, because I believe I was the one

1221
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 2: who did the hiring.

1222
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 3: Hired. I hired Nick shook back in the day.

1223
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 4: Way back in the year twenty fourteen.

1224
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 3: So like we've got that's what I realized.

1225
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 2: Like Dan, we've been around at this company long time,

1226
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 2: you've you've been around even longer.

1227
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 3: But we've both both been there, been doing this job

1228
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 3: a lot.

1229
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 2: Like I still think of shooking Patrick Clayban, for instance,

1230
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 2: as like, oh, yeah, they're kind of new arrivals. It's like, no,

1231
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 2: it's been nine years now for both of them.

1232
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 1: We're like two like old ass like Gandalf wizard types,

1233
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: just like survivors that see everyone as kids at this point, right.

1234
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 2: But the reality Shook's been in here, been there that

1235
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 2: most of the time we have too.

1236
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 1: I'm shook by the passage of time about that.

1237
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 4: When I walk in the newsroom in the one time

1238
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 4: I go out to LA every eighteen to twenty four

1239
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 4: months and I see one of the younger DCPs, I

1240
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 4: am also shook because that was what's me.

1241
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 1: I remember Shook. You know, you might have hired Shook NFL,

1242
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 1: but I also signed Shook to a softball contract and

1243
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: his lovely are you guys married now? I know you're

1244
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: you're engaged now or yeah, married as soon to be

1245
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: wife when they were just young pups, like just falling

1246
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: in love on the softball field and saying, wow, these

1247
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 1: kids got a chance as we h you know, just

1248
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 1: roared to our second consecutive championship in Los Angeles.

1249
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 4: I was going through some stuff in my basement a

1250
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago and pulled out my jersey and

1251
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 4: my championship.

1252
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 2: Gorgeous were we were actually the free agent class. You

1253
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 2: were like, you were like, I'm trying to think of

1254
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 2: a great GM in history. You know, you were making

1255
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 2: some great sign means that year. Me and Schuck really

1256
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 2: added to the added to the mix, mading sure you

1257
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 2: didn't fall off.

1258
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: It was you know, it was That's why I always

1259
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 1: called Wes, Mike and Siglieri, because we put a little

1260
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: more thought into the roster construction than people might have

1261
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: realized during work hours. Probably you were the boss at

1262
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 1: the time, Greg, so we probably hit it from you.

1263
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 1: But you know, there was, you know, a lot of

1264
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 1: discussion what's the best version of the team. And when

1265
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 1: Shook hit the scene with those shoulders and the biceps,

1266
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, we just found our number five hitter.

1267
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 1: We just we just found a middle of the oner presence.

1268
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: And then your your fiance, she was an athletic a

1269
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: woman is like, oh, we just found another winner here.

1270
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 1: So it was like a double ringer signing of the

1271
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 1: Shook family package deal.

1272
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 4: But I have one question for you, Dan, when you

1273
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 4: were working with WESN really charting this out and envisioning

1274
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 4: a championship, not only winning but defending roster, were you

1275
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 4: a spreadsheet guy or were you a magnet on the

1276
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 4: board type of magnet on.

1277
01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 1: The board big time. Yeah, we don't. We don't pop

1278
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: the hood with softball. We just said, who's a good

1279
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 1: hang who played sports at any time in their life?

1280
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 1: Who can we count on to.

1281
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:11,919
Speaker 2: Coming off the bus that's going to intimidate the other

1282
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 2: team exactly?

1283
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 1: A big factor, A big reason for the Shield success

1284
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 1: was we were not a twenty five cabs twenty five

1285
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: guys at the end of the day type team, and

1286
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 1: Shook you a great addition.

1287
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 4: I always happy to be part of it.

1288
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 1: All Right, that's it for another edition of Around the NFL.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back, Like we said, first show in first

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Speaker 1: week in a while, Greg, We're going to be doing

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Speaker 1: three shows next week as training camp kicks off in

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Speaker 1: earnest across the league. So make sure you're there for that.

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Speaker 1: Any oh final ooh, just in time before I say

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Speaker 1: goodbye here, guys, I have an official statement from Bob

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Speaker 1: Bates DDS retired on the Denzel Mims era in New York.

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Speaker 1: You guys ready for this, all right, official statement. I'm

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Speaker 1: really surprised and disappointed he didn't make not only a

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Speaker 1: big impact on the Jets, but also becoming a big

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Speaker 1: time star. I hope the change in scenery with the

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Speaker 1: Lions will give him a shot of becoming that star.

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Speaker 1: With Mims' size and adequate speed, he should help them.

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Speaker 1: I haven't given up on him.

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Speaker 4: There it is, I gotta say evidence.

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Speaker 2: If you're Bob Bates, the Lions might be your number

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Speaker 2: one draft pick. If ever, there was a spot that

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Speaker 2: Mims could make the team, maybe make some impact. With

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Speaker 2: Jamison Williams out at the beginning of the season as

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Speaker 2: kind of their their deep threat guy, this is his chance.

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Speaker 2: But I guess I'm not as optimistic. But I hope

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Speaker 2: I'm wrong.

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Speaker 1: All Right, There we go, and it should be noted

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Speaker 1: on the way out the door. Eric Roberts just chimed

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Speaker 1: in our producer myself a Randy, big Randy behind the scenes,

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Speaker 1: and Sean Kelly won the softball champion Chip last season

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Speaker 1: with the NFL two squad. How about that? So the

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Speaker 1: next the next generation carries on the dynasty. Unbelievable. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I want to know who is the George Seaffert to

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Speaker 2: year Bill Walsh, Dan.

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Speaker 1: Good questions question another time, another discussion. All right until

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Speaker 1: next week.

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Speaker 3: He's a call.