WEBVTT - NFL Combine Reactions: Terrance Ferguson's Stock is RISING! (Ep. 1535)

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on? Everyone? Welcome back to the Fantasy Rose

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<v Speaker 1>Football Podcast. Today. I'm your host Derek Brown and with

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<v Speaker 1>me as Andrew Erickson. We're recording live from the NFL Combine.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna be giving you these microcasts today and tomorrows.

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<v Speaker 1>Stay tuned to the feed today. For this episode, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about the tight end position and what

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<v Speaker 1>these guys did and didn't do at the NFL Combine

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<v Speaker 1>on Friday night. And before I get Andrew in here,

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<v Speaker 1>who talk about a disappointing night. I mean it was bad.

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<v Speaker 1>You had guys running slow forties. You had guys that

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<v Speaker 1>were tweeters. We're gonna talk about you soon here, Fan

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<v Speaker 1>and Junior, and guys that really really face planted didn't

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<v Speaker 1>help their NFL draft stock. But we are going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about a few guys that might be rising at

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<v Speaker 1>the board ericson. I'm gonna get you in here, man.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, look it, I know we both kind of

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<v Speaker 1>were sending in the stands and we felt like overall

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<v Speaker 1>it was a disappointing night. Before we get into players'

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<v Speaker 1>specific takes here and talk about writers and follers, what

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<v Speaker 1>were your overall thoughts of Friday Night's NFL combine for

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<v Speaker 1>the tight end position.

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<v Speaker 2>Overall, thoughts were pretty underwhelming to say the least. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we were thinking that we would get a really fast

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<v Speaker 2>four yard dash time from hail Fan and Junior. That

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<v Speaker 2>ended up not being the case whatsoever. We figured, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>this guy can break at least four seven and run

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<v Speaker 2>into low four to sixes, but that ended up not

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<v Speaker 2>being the reality. So however, we did get one surprising

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<v Speaker 2>guy that kind of popped off that will break down

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<v Speaker 2>a Oregon duck, so someone that Bonix used to throw

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<v Speaker 2>the football to. So he was a really surprise and

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a pleasant surprise in that aspect. But the

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<v Speaker 2>main three guys that were kind of most excited about

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<v Speaker 2>for fantasy football purposes, between Royo, Loveland and Warren, none

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<v Speaker 2>of those guys tested, and those are gonna be the

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<v Speaker 2>first three tight ends drafted, and the guys are going

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<v Speaker 2>to probably be most fantasy relevant. So disappointed that they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't get a chance to really show, okay is what

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<v Speaker 2>they can do, but they were wise and Spirin Oleven

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<v Speaker 2>was in a sling, so there was no chance he

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<v Speaker 2>was going to be testing or I was also dealing

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<v Speaker 2>with something as well, but looking forward to chopping out though.

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<v Speaker 1>Without further ado. Man, let's jump into this. Terrence Ferguson

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<v Speaker 1>tight End out of Oregon. We got to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>him because he blazed some really impressive combine numbers. I

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<v Speaker 1>know you haven't gotten to his film yet. I wrote

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<v Speaker 1>him up already. I'm gonna go back and amend some

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<v Speaker 1>of my write up, but talk about Terrence Ferguson what

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<v Speaker 1>he did and what do you think this did to

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<v Speaker 1>his NFL draft talk.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he's going to probably be drafted, I would say

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<v Speaker 2>on day two. Now. He was kind of on the fringe.

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<v Speaker 2>You've looked at mock draft database in terms of them

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<v Speaker 2>aggregating all of the consensus big boards. He was a

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<v Speaker 2>player that was constantly going inside the top one hundred picks,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was on the fringe. And I think that

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<v Speaker 2>he's at least solidified himself, if not, you know, in

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<v Speaker 2>early round four selection, but someone that can be drafted

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<v Speaker 2>in the beginning or middle of round three. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you look at the measurables that he posted. Basically, he

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<v Speaker 2>led all tight end in four yard dash time, he

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<v Speaker 2>was first in the vertical jump. He had a great

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<v Speaker 2>ten yard split in the ninety first percentile. So we've

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<v Speaker 2>written this all up in our article if people want

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<v Speaker 2>to go check out every single metric in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>how he performed. But he was fantastic and he really

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<v Speaker 2>showed that he could be above his athleticism. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's interesting to bring up one of the comps

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<v Speaker 2>that you had Debro before the NFL combine. You comped

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<v Speaker 2>him to Kate Aughton. So Awton isn't really noticed as

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<v Speaker 2>a player that's like over the athletic, like he kind

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<v Speaker 2>of does what's asked of him as a tight end,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like, are we getting a potential juiced up

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<v Speaker 2>Kate Auton with Terrence Ferguson. It's like okay, like like

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<v Speaker 2>a we can potentially work with that. So yeah, he's

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<v Speaker 2>someone that I'm excited to kind of go back and see, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>is this athleticism on his tape as well? You know?

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<v Speaker 2>Is he making it in part of the Oregon offense.

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<v Speaker 2>So someone that we need to take a looker deep

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<v Speaker 2>at because he has those efficiency marks too, fourteenth in

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<v Speaker 2>your arts out run fourteen and PFF for steven grade

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<v Speaker 2>thirty yards after the Cats per perception, So he's really

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<v Speaker 2>checking off every single box that you're looking for. Where

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<v Speaker 2>the analytics are there, Yes, the raw counting stats weren't

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<v Speaker 2>really there, but everything else, Ferguson is looking like a

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<v Speaker 2>nice sleeper tight end prospect.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. I mean I agree with everything you outline there,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think like to add on to this and

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<v Speaker 1>just looking at the overall landscape of the tight end

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<v Speaker 1>position in this class. Now we're maybe talking about Terrence

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<v Speaker 1>Ferguson considering some of the guys we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about in the followers section that honestly face planted, Terrence

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<v Speaker 1>Ferguson might be the tight end four when it's all

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<v Speaker 1>said and done in this class where he goes in

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<v Speaker 1>the NFL Draft and where teams are going to rank

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<v Speaker 1>him and move him around their boards considering what he

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<v Speaker 1>did and what other players didn't do at the NFL

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<v Speaker 1>Combine on Friday night, and I want to zoom out

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<v Speaker 1>just thousand foot view on this NFL draft class. We

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<v Speaker 1>discussed this in the Riser Follower article depending on when

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<v Speaker 1>you're listening to this on fantasypros dot Com right now,

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<v Speaker 1>but the overall thoughts of this class, I think that

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<v Speaker 1>Friday night, before we get into our second riser. I

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<v Speaker 1>just got to talk about, man like, these top three

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<v Speaker 1>tight ends and specifically talking about Tyler Warren tight end

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<v Speaker 1>out of Penn State, Colston Loveland tight end out of Michigan,

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<v Speaker 1>and Elijah Royo tight end out of Miami. They pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much distanced themselves as the top three tight ends in

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<v Speaker 1>this class without even testing. Man Like, they're probably gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be athletic if they test okay, if they test good,

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna hold their stock. And the divide between those

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<v Speaker 1>top three guys and the rest of this class probably widened.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't think it was gonna be that wide, but again,

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<v Speaker 1>you had the guys in that second tier. Gunner Helm's

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<v Speaker 1>a name we're gonna talk about here in a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Harold Fannin Junior another guy we're going to discuss in

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. But those guys were in that tight

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<v Speaker 1>end three need a tight end five kind of conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, do you look at do you see this

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<v Speaker 1>any different ericson where it's like, do you think that

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<v Speaker 1>this is a wider divide now or do you think

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<v Speaker 1>these guys can still be bunched up or maybe Terrence

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<v Speaker 1>Ferguson can put himself inject himself into that conversation as

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<v Speaker 1>we move along.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, if anything, he maybe just cement himself atop

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<v Speaker 2>the next tier, or maybe now he's not someone that

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<v Speaker 2>we're just totally writing off, but now okay, he is

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<v Speaker 2>in that next tier with Harold Fannin. It's interesting because Fannin,

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<v Speaker 2>I think had the most to gain from a strong

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<v Speaker 2>forty yard dash time where he would be cementing himself

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<v Speaker 2>within that top tier with those three other guys, like

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<v Speaker 2>he had a chance. If he had run out gone

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<v Speaker 2>with a four to six or something along those lines,

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<v Speaker 2>well we would be talking about him. Oh, he is

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<v Speaker 2>that fourth tight end in that tier one. But because

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<v Speaker 2>of how he tested, which again relative to the other

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<v Speaker 2>tight ends that also tested like he was actually pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>But comparing him to the top of the class, well,

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<v Speaker 2>don't think it's going to shake out that way. And

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<v Speaker 2>obviously we'll dive int him a little bit more specifically

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<v Speaker 2>when we're talking about some of the folloers.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with everything he laid out there. And the

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<v Speaker 1>next guy we got to bring up here, the last

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<v Speaker 1>riser for the tight end position for Friday's NFL combine,

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<v Speaker 1>has to be Joshua Simon tight End out of South Carolina,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to keep this a bug, dude. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to be transparent here. I have not gotten to

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<v Speaker 1>Simon's film. I hadn't even looked at his analytics. And

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<v Speaker 1>so after Friday, this dude went out and put on

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<v Speaker 1>a show Eric sent for a guy that, like, you

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<v Speaker 1>look at expected draft positions, you go to mock draft

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<v Speaker 1>database and.

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<v Speaker 3>You're like, this dude is sitting get tight End twenty two.

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<v Speaker 3>You got to scroll down for a while before you

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<v Speaker 3>get to his name. I wasn't familiar with his name.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like the Shack gift for the meme where it's like,

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<v Speaker 3>excuse me, I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with your game, sir.

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<v Speaker 1>But looking at Joshua Simon and what he did on

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<v Speaker 1>Friday night, like we got to talk about him, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>because again other guys face planting and guys that we're

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<v Speaker 1>seeing that maybe hoped in the ranks and on some

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<v Speaker 1>draft boards depending on this testing, Joshua Simon has put

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<v Speaker 1>himself in the mix for a Day three pick for

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<v Speaker 1>a player that he went out ran a forty yard

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<v Speaker 1>dash at four point sixty five, seventy eighth percentile, his

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<v Speaker 1>vert was ninety third percentile. Also his broad jump ninety

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<v Speaker 1>first percentile, ten yards split eighty six percent percentile, eighty

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<v Speaker 1>six percentile. Excuse me, I mean check, check, check, just

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<v Speaker 1>all the boxes are being checked. And then when I

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<v Speaker 1>pulled up his analytics as we go to like research

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<v Speaker 1>and write the article for the site, I'm like, ooh,

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<v Speaker 1>this dude's also was twenty fifth in yards per out

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<v Speaker 1>run against all FBS tight ends with twenty or more

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<v Speaker 1>targets last year, and ericson he was seventh best in

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<v Speaker 1>YAK per reception. Dude, my spider sense is tangling with

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<v Speaker 1>this guy. I mean, just based off the analytics, the testing,

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<v Speaker 1>I hadn't gotten into the film. So unless the film

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<v Speaker 1>is just terrible, I love this guy like he jumped

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<v Speaker 1>out the freaking gym and put himself on the map.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're sitting in dynasty rookie drafts, especially in

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<v Speaker 1>tight end premium formats, maybe this is a guy you're

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<v Speaker 1>ear marking for that fourth round pick. Assuming that he

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<v Speaker 1>goes somewhere say round four, round five, I even ge

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<v Speaker 1>him round five draft capital, you need to consider him

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<v Speaker 1>and keep him ear marked in your queue when he

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<v Speaker 1>gets the Dynasty rookie draft season, Eric's and anybody anything

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<v Speaker 1>else to add on Simon?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, like you, I had not really had much exposure

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<v Speaker 2>to Joshua Simon, did not know much about him. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's now, okay, we've seen him test. He has this

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<v Speaker 2>athleticism to him. What are we missing here? You know,

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<v Speaker 2>why haven't we been talking about him enough? And is

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<v Speaker 2>this enough to get start talking about him? And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just looking at some of his career numbers here, looking

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<v Speaker 2>at some of the raw stuff where you know, South

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<v Speaker 2>Carolina in these past two seasons and you know, caught

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<v Speaker 2>Dyne touchdown like this past year over five hundred receiving yards,

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<v Speaker 2>seven touchdowns, forty catches, So clear the guy, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>can go out and catch the football. But he's been

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<v Speaker 2>in college for six years, so he's he's been he

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<v Speaker 2>started Western Kentucky in twenty nineteen. So this isn't a

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<v Speaker 2>player that, oh, well, you know, we'll give him some time.

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<v Speaker 2>He's had time. So that is one concern. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>how does he do as an older player? But we've

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<v Speaker 2>kind of seen these work both ways, where players that

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<v Speaker 2>are older and more experienced. So I'd come in and

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<v Speaker 2>kind of hit the ground running. You know, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think that he is this like ugem necessary with a

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<v Speaker 2>amazing talent per se and like how high is his ceiling,

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<v Speaker 2>But given how experienced he is, well he can probably

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<v Speaker 2>pick up an NFL off. It's a little bit faster

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<v Speaker 2>than some of these more younger, younger tight ends that

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<v Speaker 2>are relying more a little bit on skill, where Simon

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<v Speaker 2>has a lag up with the experience and obviously now

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<v Speaker 2>the athleticism to kind of help that along.

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<v Speaker 1>And just to bookend this, Joshua Simon right now, at

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<v Speaker 1>least the ages that I can find, he's only twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four years old, so he's not the Tyler Shuck of

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<v Speaker 1>tight ends. Let's just throw that out there, guy, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I have to throw that out there, just because we

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<v Speaker 1>are talking about how long he was in college for

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<v Speaker 1>getting off the olds and getting into the new of

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<v Speaker 1>We got to talk about followers here, and I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>lead this off Ericson because this is my pain train,

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<v Speaker 1>this is my anti love letter. This is a guy

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<v Speaker 1>that based off of the film and based off the analytics,

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<v Speaker 1>I was really considering to push him into tight end three.

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<v Speaker 1>Like my first set of rankings that came out on

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<v Speaker 1>fantasypros dot com. He was my tight end three in

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<v Speaker 1>the battle based off the day. It could be a Royo,

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<v Speaker 1>it could have been gunner Helm. Dude. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>painful day. Pet Friday was pain, all pain, all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>We're sitting in the stands and we got there a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit late, just just to let people know how

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<v Speaker 1>this all unfolded. We got a little bit late to

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<v Speaker 1>the stadium. Gunner Helm had already run his first forty.

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<v Speaker 1>I get a text from friend of the show, Brett Whitefield,

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<v Speaker 1>and he said, oh dear, You're not gonna be happy,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, what what happened? Oh gosh, what happened?

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<v Speaker 1>Gunner Helm goes out and he runs a four to

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<v Speaker 1>nine to three. Yes you heard me, correct people, a

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<v Speaker 1>four nine three forty in his first attempt. Didn't get

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<v Speaker 1>much better in his second attempt because he couldn't clear

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<v Speaker 1>four eight, and he decided after those two bad attempts

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<v Speaker 1>he did not want to run a third time. This

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<v Speaker 1>this is me working this out ericson. I'm working out

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<v Speaker 1>pain here right on the show. And it was it

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<v Speaker 1>was tough to watch this because I'm running this through

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<v Speaker 1>my head and I'm watching him and put up these numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>And all I'm screaming inside of my head and to

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<v Speaker 1>anybody that would listen to the sands, was why why

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<v Speaker 1>is he running? Why is he testing? Why is his

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<v Speaker 1>agent not saying do this? You should be doing this.

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<v Speaker 1>This is bad, don't do this. But it happened, so

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<v Speaker 1>we got to discuss it. And I'll say this, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is exactly what I put in the article, and

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<v Speaker 1>I stand by it. Four point eight or higher and

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<v Speaker 1>a forty yard dash is a coffin nail for fantasy.

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<v Speaker 1>You can name the guys on one hand over the

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<v Speaker 1>last ten to fifteen years that will put up productive

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<v Speaker 1>fantasy seasons. That list gets even shorter if you talk

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<v Speaker 1>about multiple productive fantasy seasons. Basically, it's Kyle Rudolph and

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<v Speaker 1>there's nobody else. It's end of list. And now, if

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<v Speaker 1>gunner Helm somehow becomes a productive asset for fantasy, he

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<v Speaker 1>will be one of the most massive outlier of outliers.

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<v Speaker 1>And it makes me so sad because I loved this film,

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<v Speaker 1>was really high on him entering this process, but now

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<v Speaker 1>ericson like he's basically undraftable unless we get just massively

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<v Speaker 1>different numbers, or we get some kind of news that

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<v Speaker 1>comes out that gunner Helm was running with one hamstring.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what's gonna change it, but something would

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<v Speaker 1>have to change it for him to become a draftable

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<v Speaker 1>player in Dynasty and Redraft after these testing numbers. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just gonna turn this over to you because and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go get some ice for all these wounds and

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<v Speaker 1>some band aids.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, I think to answer your first question, why

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<v Speaker 2>did he run well? Dude, haven't you been paying attention

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<v Speaker 2>to all these Texas receive everyone's breaking in the forty

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<v Speaker 2>yard dash time. We just wanted to get it on

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<v Speaker 2>the fun Isaiah Bond talks about he's going to break

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<v Speaker 2>the Ford that way Xavier Worthy set last year, Jaden Blue,

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to run four to two, and gunner Helm,

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<v Speaker 2>I get another Texas guy. Just wanted to get him

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<v Speaker 2>on the funy and you want to be left out.

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<v Speaker 2>And now he's going to be remembered for all the

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<v Speaker 2>wrong reasons by running basically the worst time and being

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<v Speaker 2>the least athletic tight end that tested during the twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five NFL scouting combine. So we'll always have that

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<v Speaker 2>and if anything, now I have one less tight end

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<v Speaker 2>that I have to watch because I know that Gunner

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<v Speaker 2>Helm is not going to be someone that we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to draft for fantasy football purposes.

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<v Speaker 1>So sorry man. And just because I talked about his

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<v Speaker 1>forty yard dash before we move move on to Harold

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<v Speaker 1>Fanning Junior, just so everybody can contextualize this. Gunner Helm

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<v Speaker 1>forty yard dash four point eighty four, thirty third percentile,

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<v Speaker 1>his vert thirty inches seventeenth percentile, his three cone fifteenth percentile,

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<v Speaker 1>his ten yards split twenty twenty fourth percentile. There's nothing

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<v Speaker 1>good to see here. So with that, we are going

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<v Speaker 1>to turn this over to Harold Fanning Junior. And Fana

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<v Speaker 1>Junior was a guy that I thought had a solid,

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<v Speaker 1>not spectacular mobile. I talked about this on previous shows

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<v Speaker 1>with Seth on the NFL Draft Show. If you're listening

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<v Speaker 1>entire the entirety of the NFL Draft process, we are

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<v Speaker 1>going through everything with magical guests. But Fana Junior, I

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<v Speaker 1>was worried about could he how was he going to

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<v Speaker 1>come out here and test ericson for a player on

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<v Speaker 1>film that it was like, Okay, the short area is there,

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<v Speaker 1>the short area of quickness is there. But considering his size,

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<v Speaker 1>because he did weigh in here at the combine at

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<v Speaker 1>two forty one, I'm here to tell people that does

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<v Speaker 1>not freaking matter. Because he was two thirty eight at

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<v Speaker 1>Senior Bowl. The three pound difference does not matter. If

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<v Speaker 1>you've ever weighed yourself in the morning and gone back

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<v Speaker 1>and weighed yourself in the afternoon, you can bury five

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<v Speaker 1>to six pounds. Who knows. So I don't care that

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<v Speaker 1>he weighed in a little bit heavier here at the combine.

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<v Speaker 1>He's still the same height. He's still the same archetype player,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a tweeter. I know. In our conversations here

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<v Speaker 1>at the combine I evoked the name Jaheim bel a

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<v Speaker 1>Ton because I am worried. Although the testing wasn't as

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<v Speaker 1>terrible as maybe I was worried about, it also wasn't amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Erickson and I know you're gonna run through all of this,

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<v Speaker 1>but tell me what are your thoughts about Fan and Junior.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm worried after and you're gonna lay this all out.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm worried after this. NFL combine showing with the archetype

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<v Speaker 1>of player that he is. He's not an inline guy.

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<v Speaker 1>He's coming from a smaller school. Now you add in

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<v Speaker 1>the testing help me feel a little bit better about

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<v Speaker 1>Fan and Junior and the fact that maybe he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>fall into the back end of round on four, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>round five taugh me off the ledge here.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that the issue with with Fan and again,

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<v Speaker 2>he's already a very polarizing player where you know, he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't play in line a lot. At the college level,

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to have to be used more as a

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<v Speaker 2>receiving tight end. That's going to be his primary focus.

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<v Speaker 2>That's kind of where he is at the tweeener. But

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<v Speaker 2>we've seen this with players a lot of the time

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<v Speaker 2>where they're not big enough to be a full time

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<v Speaker 2>tight end, but they're too big to be a wide receiver.

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<v Speaker 2>So it gets confusing based on what type of usage,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're just hoping that, oh, he goes to a

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<v Speaker 2>team that knows how to take care of him and

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<v Speaker 2>use him the right way. So I think that just

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<v Speaker 2>based on because overall, his his vertical jumps broad jump

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<v Speaker 2>both in the sixty fifth percent diles ten yard split

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<v Speaker 2>was actually really good one point five six eighty nine

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<v Speaker 2>percent dile. It was the forty yard dash that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of was a little bit eye eyebrow raising where sixty

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<v Speaker 2>fifth percentile four seven to one and leading up to

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<v Speaker 2>his forty yard dash, I mean, we were hearing things

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<v Speaker 2>that this guy is gonna be running in the four sixes,

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<v Speaker 2>like he was clocked with one of the fastest times

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<v Speaker 2>at the Senior Bowl that obviously did not translate on Friday,

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<v Speaker 2>and you brought up the point where he says fastest

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<v Speaker 2>at the jump, and then he continued to slow down

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<v Speaker 2>as he was going. Maybe he was not used to

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<v Speaker 2>carrying all this weight on his body that he magically

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<v Speaker 2>got just in time for the for the weigh ins.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that it's not all lost on Fannin because

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<v Speaker 2>I think that if he doesn't with a creative schemer,

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<v Speaker 2>I know, we talked about Denver Broncos, like their team

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<v Speaker 2>that wants to draft the tight end, whether it is

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<v Speaker 2>Fannin now that he falls, I mean we talked about

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<v Speaker 2>who could be you know, this year's Troy Franklin. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it's Aryl Fannin and he ends up falling today

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<v Speaker 2>three and who would end up taking him a team

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<v Speaker 2>like the Denver Broncos who took Troy Franklin and then

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<v Speaker 2>so those are kind of some of the scenarios I'm

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about with Fannin.

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<v Speaker 1>You have much more of a glass half full approach

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<v Speaker 1>than me. For Fanning right now, I'm going to leave

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<v Speaker 1>the light on for him ericson. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>Fannin's gonna answer the call, but we'll see. Man, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>maintain some sliver of hope. But so with all of that,

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<v Speaker 1>we got risers, we got followers, we got testing for

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<v Speaker 1>tight ends on Friday night. Don't worry, We're not going anywhere, people,

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna be back here with the quarterbacks, running backs,

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<v Speaker 1>and wide receiver testing with another micro cast here for

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<v Speaker 1>the show. You gotta stay locked in as well as

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<v Speaker 1>So for Ericson and myself right now, we are out

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<v Speaker 1>of here. Stay locked in. We're gonna bring you home

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