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Speaker 1: to Global News investigative journalist Stuart Bell. A man allegedly

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Speaker 1: Global News has now learned that police are alligion that

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Speaker 1: thinking about good mental health. You're thinking that I don't

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Speaker 1: even know what I'm talking What you're talking about is

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Speaker 1: in a healthy population, you can trust that you're loved

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Speaker 1: by another person. You don't have to keep doing more

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Speaker 1: and more to earn their trust or love. But I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about stars. You just said something I try to

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Speaker 1: tell John, David and Lucy that don't if you have

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Speaker 1: a friend, and I guess when you get older, you

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Speaker 1: could say girlfriend, boyfriend that you feel you've got to

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Speaker 1: act a certain way, or you have to be cool,

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Speaker 1: or you have to look a certain way, or you

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Speaker 1: have to have the cool devices or that. No, you

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Speaker 1: need to be friends with somebody that likes you just

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Speaker 1: the way you are. You know what, Beth, My husband David,

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Speaker 1: when he sees me all done up for TV, He's like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, you look beautiful, but I just like

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Speaker 1: it with no makeup or at all, the real you

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Speaker 1: Now see, that's love right there. I don't have to

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Speaker 1: be a certain way for him to love me. I

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Speaker 1: want you to listen, Beth, and it's particularly you to

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Speaker 1: Scott be Eily talking again. Why do they take to YouTube?

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Speaker 1: They do listen. I feel compulsion now to discuss and

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Speaker 1: address the origins of my misogynism and in the rebirth,

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Speaker 1: and when it was reborn, nobody, nobody emerges out of

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Speaker 1: the one particular way or viewing or seeing one particular

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Speaker 1: group of people one particular way. It occurs over a

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Speaker 1: source of accumulated experiences, or maybe it's one perpetual individual.

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Speaker 1: I know a girl and I was teaching. I hated

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Speaker 1: her mom and she was kind of a didn't she Well,

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Speaker 1: that's a whole other story. He's starting to ramble, but

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Speaker 1: he's trying to explain why he's having a rebirth of

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Speaker 1: a misogyny. But here's the reality. Let's go to cut four.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Blanca decoc and parents describing what

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Speaker 1: happened at the hands of an in cell. See his face.

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Speaker 1: He smiles at me and just starts shooting, like like

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Speaker 1: a smirky, grimacey smile. But it was a smile. He

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Speaker 1: was just he wanted to do this. He looked happy

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Speaker 1: about it. I honestly, first of all, it didn't seem real.

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Speaker 1: I thought, is this rubber bullets? And then I realized

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Speaker 1: I'm bleeding, I'm in pain. I had to call my mom.

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Speaker 1: I just told her I've been shot. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what happened. It's crazy, but I love you. I'm afraid

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna die so much, so much I love you

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Speaker 1: so much. I'm angry that it happened and that it

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Speaker 1: does still happen. We need to change this violence. How

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Speaker 1: did he slip through the cracks? Shouldn't happen. She's describing

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Speaker 1: an in cell looking at her and smiling at her,

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Speaker 1: somebody she doesn't even know, before shooting her and all

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Speaker 1: the other young women standing around. What is the in

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Speaker 1: cell movement? What is insell retribution? Take a listen to

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Speaker 1: Elliott Roger. They insall hero so to speak on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: I should be the one with the girls. I mean,

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Speaker 1: look at me, I'm gorgeous, but you girls don't see it.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand why you're so repulsed by me. Why

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Speaker 1: won't you give me a chance? It's ridiculous. I mean

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Speaker 1: the other day I was doing some grocery shopping at

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Speaker 1: Traitor Joe's, and I was, of course all alone, as

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Speaker 1: I always am, which makes me feel so miserable. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I was doing my shopping and I see this, this

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Speaker 1: like disgusting looking loser. Well he's a loser in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: and he walks in with these two beautiful blonde girls

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Speaker 1: at his side. I couldn't believe my eyes. I was

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Speaker 1: so insulted by that because I should be the one

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Speaker 1: with the girls. By is constant YouTube musings along with

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Speaker 1: be Early and others, we get a look into the

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Speaker 1: mindset of killers. Hey, Ash Ashley, I guarantee you the

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Speaker 1: in cell movement is going to turn into a defense,

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Speaker 1: a legal defense like the Twinkie defense or the PMS defense,

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Speaker 1: the in cell defense. I see it. It's it's shaping

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Speaker 1: up right now. The problem is, first of all, listening

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Speaker 1: to him talk when woe is me, I'm alone and

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Speaker 1: that person's a loser. It's almost impossible for me to stomach.

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Speaker 1: Having said that, the problem is when you have a

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Speaker 1: movement and it's online, you have so many other men

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Speaker 1: out there who feel the same and start to say, hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm a part to this movement because I feel the

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Speaker 1: same way and it's a movement, it's okay for me.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna engage in violence because that's what this movement

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Speaker 1: is about, and it's righteous and it's a good thing.

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Speaker 1: And then they start committing these crimes. So I agree

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Speaker 1: with you, Nancy, that's going to translate into hohe It's

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Speaker 1: a movement and there's this whole philosophy behind it. No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: no no, these are crimes. Committing crimes is not okay,

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Speaker 1: regardless of what one misguided individual is posting as a

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Speaker 1: movement on YouTube. Nancy, can I make a super quick

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Speaker 1: comment about Elliott Rodgers. Look at me, I'm gorgeous. This

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Speaker 1: loser walks into the trader chose with these two beautiful women,

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Speaker 1: and why does he have them? Why not me? We

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Speaker 1: were talking earlier that you say to John David and Lucy,

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Speaker 1: you know, if somebody loves you, they should love you

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Speaker 1: just for who you are. You don't have to keep

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Speaker 1: doing more and more. On the other hand, when John

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Speaker 1: David gets married, he can't just sit on a sofa

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Speaker 1: eating chips and popcorn while his wife goes and works.

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Speaker 1: That would be called entitlement, right You, Once you get

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Speaker 1: into a relationship, you continue to have to invest and

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Speaker 1: do something for it. You're not entitled to love just

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Speaker 1: because you're fantastic. And what Elliott Rogers is talking about

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Speaker 1: is a sick, perverted entitlement to love and sex and

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Speaker 1: intimacy just because he's gorgeous. He doesn't feel he has

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Speaker 1: to do anything to get it. It should just come

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Speaker 1: to him. We also see grandiosity in all of these,

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Speaker 1: these misogynistic ramblings, and this is what we see with

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Speaker 1: all personality disorders, entitlement and grandiosity. It just has become

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Speaker 1: packaged in a different homicidal horn. And those are the

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Speaker 1: red flags to look for. The in cell and voluntary

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Speaker 1: celibate movement is afoot and is shaping up to me

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Speaker 1: the next new legal defense to murder. We wait as

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Speaker 1: justice unfolds. Nancy Grace Crimes story signing off, goodbye friend,