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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, and welcome back to another episode of Wide Open.

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Speaker 1: I am your host, Ashlyn Harris, and I can't wait

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Speaker 1: for this week's episode and this guest.

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Speaker 2: Jennifer Welsh.

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Speaker 1: Well, as you all know, you know, I don't get

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Speaker 1: too political on my podcast, Wide Open, but I think

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Speaker 1: right now everything matters, and everything is becoming political. Rights

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Speaker 1: are being taken, especially in my community, women's rights. We're

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Speaker 1: rolling back everything, and I think it's important when you

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Speaker 1: have a platform to do right by your community and

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Speaker 1: the people that actually follow you, that you talk about

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Speaker 1: the things that matter most.

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Speaker 2: And I know most of you.

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Speaker 1: Out there are allies of our community or a part

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Speaker 1: of it. And we had Jasmine Crockett on last week

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Speaker 1: to kind of just talk to us about the state

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Speaker 1: of where our government is right now with the shutdown

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Speaker 1: going on and now it you know, recently being reopened.

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Speaker 1: To bring in a more culturally relevant podcaster political analysis now,

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Welsh, because I find that the way her take

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Speaker 1: on politics is easily digestible because it's culturally relevant. I

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Speaker 1: think she is funny. I think she is extremely intelligent.

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Speaker 1: She knows what she's talking about. There's truth to her voice,

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Speaker 1: and she knows how to have a good time, and

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Speaker 1: I want to bring that voice into this show, you know,

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Speaker 1: especially now she's a neighbor. She just moved to New

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Speaker 1: York City, and I you know, I'm getting to spend

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Speaker 1: all to be able to listen to what's going on because,

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Speaker 1: you know, with the Epstein files being released and the

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Speaker 1: world is an absolute dumpster fire right now, we need

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Speaker 1: to figure out how we're going to show up and

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Speaker 1: how we're going to move forward, how we're going to

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Speaker 1: hold people accountable, and how we're going to create a

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Speaker 1: better space moving forward that this never happens again. And

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Speaker 1: I hope you guys take something out of this podcast

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Speaker 1: cast because I find her insanely intelligent with what she's doing,

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Speaker 1: and she's going viral everywhere for the work she's doing

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Speaker 1: in politics and how she's choosing to show up for

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Speaker 1: immigrants and queer people like myself. So enjoy the episode everyone. Okay,

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Speaker 1: everyone buckle up, pour a beverage, hide your children, because

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Welch is here today and we are about to

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Speaker 1: go there.

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Speaker 2: If you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Jenna is a comedic sniper from that I've had a podcast.

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Speaker 1: She is captain of calling bullshit and one of the

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Speaker 1: few people who can make you laugh so hard you

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Speaker 1: forget the country is basically held together by duct.

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Speaker 2: Tape and denial.

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Speaker 1: We talk about her friendship with Pumps, why her humor

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Speaker 1: hits in a moment where everyone's absolutely exhausted, and what

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Speaker 1: it looks like to hold power accountable without losing your

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Speaker 1: mind or your sense of humor. This one's chaotic, honest, hopeful,

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Speaker 1: and a little dangerous, just the way we like it.

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Speaker 2: Let's get into it. Welcome Jennifer Welch.

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Speaker 1: This week's guest is one of my favorite Jennifer Welch.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, my friend. It's so good to

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Speaker 1: see your beautiful, smiling face.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. I'm so happy to be

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Speaker 4: Very excited.

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Speaker 1: Well, listen, you're my new neighbor and I've already been

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Speaker 1: over to your chic apartment. Tell me how it feels

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Speaker 1: to be living in New York City now, Oh.

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Speaker 3: My gosh, it's so fabulous because I like people, but

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Speaker 3: New York City is the perfect city because in the evenings,

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Speaker 4: But I want to see people.

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Speaker 3: I want to know that we're on the same planet,

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Speaker 3: we're the same species. We're living, you know, at this

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Speaker 4: It's so much fun. I love it.

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Speaker 3: And the main thing I love about living here is

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Speaker 3: I love Oklahoma City, but my god, the pettiness and

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Speaker 1: I need to know because that's that's quite the whiplash

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Speaker 1: I get it. Oklahoma is one of the most conservative

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Speaker 2: What is that like?

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Speaker 1: Like, what has that transition been and why now all

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Speaker 1: chees had a little new sweater. Some mama went shopping.

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Speaker 3: I took the dogs on a shopping spree. Yeah, we

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Speaker 2: Tell me about this transition.

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Speaker 3: Oklahoma is a state in total is very conservative, is

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Speaker 3: Oklahoma City voted exactly the way the whole country did,

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Speaker 3: And I would say that red state liberals are just

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Speaker 3: Every day you see the fuckery and the hypocrisy of

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Speaker 3: these maga Christians on full display. You see how cruel

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Speaker 4: So you see it, right.

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Speaker 3: And then you have the people, and these are the

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Speaker 4: And that's the worst to me. If you're going to

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Speaker 3: Trumper, own it, put it on your truck, put it,

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Speaker 3: make your the fight, fight fight, make that your profile photo.

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Speaker 3: Just go all in, lean all in. But a lot

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Speaker 3: I'm here to say that I think lesbians are better

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Speaker 3: But I just saw that and I thought, you know what,

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Speaker 3: And so they're like, it hurts my feelings, but I'm

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Speaker 3: well i am.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to hate them for both of us.

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Speaker 3: I'm not playing with them. I'm removing them from the

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Speaker 3: pickleball note, and all the girls knew I'm not playing pickleball.

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Speaker 3: After the election, I said, I'm not playing with any

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Speaker 1: That's what I love, Jen, Like, what I love so

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Speaker 1: much about you is like you have such elegance but

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Speaker 1: your voice is so.

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Speaker 2: Intoxicating to me.

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Speaker 1: I want more, more, more, I want more of you

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Speaker 2: And I'm curious, though, when did this start? Has this

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Speaker 1: Has this always been exactly how you move in the world,

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Speaker 1: or did this like pot you know, your podcast and

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Speaker 2: So culturally important to people like me.

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Speaker 1: Did this come through the podcast or has this always

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Speaker 4: I've always been this.

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Speaker 3: I have always been so. I was raised by atheists

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Speaker 3: important that you understand this distinction. Evangelicals are kind of

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Speaker 3: number one goal is to recruit people, and they're constantly

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Speaker 3: concerned about your soul, telling you you're going to go

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Speaker 3: Jesus is coming back, rapture preppers, banana shit, right, This

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Speaker 3: isn't Christian light. I have a spiritual thing. This is

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Speaker 2: Of course you did, Yeah, of course you did.

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Speaker 4: So it's always been there.

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Speaker 1: I love this because it's not just that like you're

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Speaker 1: so quick and you're witty and you get it.

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Speaker 2: This is what I love.

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Speaker 1: The fucking names you have for these idiots makes it

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Speaker 1: so fun to be a part of. Like I never

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Speaker 1: thought politics was so fun until I met you, where

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Speaker 1: did you come up with Kenkel's mctacco tits?

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Speaker 2: What do you call them? Baby titties? What the things

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Speaker 2: you're dropping?

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, actually, she's insanely intelligent, but she's a

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Speaker 3: It just comes out of me, And we don't plan

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Speaker 3: me politics. And when I see injustice, I speak out

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Speaker 3: about it. And so, you know, when we first started it,

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden was president. You know, Kank's was a little

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Speaker 3: bit around, but it's just like okay, whatever. Well then

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Speaker 3: it really starts gearing up and he's gearing up, and

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Speaker 3: so it just it took a.

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Speaker 4: Turn to politics.

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Speaker 3: And then once we turned there and then now where

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Speaker 3: we are, I feel like it would be malpracticed to

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Speaker 3: have a microphone and not.

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Speaker 4: Speak about this.

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Speaker 3: I think, I just there's so much suffering. When I

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Speaker 3: think about what's happening to the immigrant population right now,

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Speaker 3: hardworking people, and how they're being targeted in the racism

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Speaker 3: towards those communities. I just feel like I would really

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Speaker 3: be a big miss in my life if I didn't

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Speaker 3: use this microphone to talk about those injustices and fight

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Speaker 3: for the marginalized.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's really I can imagine because now you're everywhere

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Speaker 1: you and pumps are everywhere, You're going viral. I imagine

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Speaker 1: this turn to lean into politics and having such a

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Speaker 1: massive platform for people to tune in and listen to you,

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Speaker 1: because that's the hard part right now. Sophia actually just

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Speaker 1: moderated the VP's book tour in Toronto yesterday.

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Speaker 4: Oh cool, and we like to keep it in the family.

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Speaker 1: But that's what she you know, Vice President Harris was saying, like,

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Speaker 1: there's no truth anywhere. That's the problem is what you know,

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Speaker 1: Conservatives are being dished in their algorithm versus you know,

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Speaker 1: progressive people and queer people and people who actually have

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Speaker 1: a soul. It's just you don't really know where to

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Speaker 1: find truth anymore. So it is important that we have

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Speaker 1: these podcasts because there are people who are getting these

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Speaker 1: microphones as you're a rogan and saying shit that is

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Speaker 1: really fucking up the landscape of a lot of our youth,

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Speaker 1: mostly our youth men, white youth men, males, and it's

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Speaker 1: really becoming problematic because we're grooming these young boys into

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Speaker 1: fucking assholes and it's only going to get more costly.

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Speaker 1: And I love that you're taking this platform. You're holding

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Speaker 1: people account you're accountable, you're speaking the fucking truth.

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Speaker 2: And now you're going on you know.

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Speaker 1: All types of news shows because people value what you're saying. So,

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Speaker 1: as a democratic person myself, what do you think we're

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Speaker 1: winning right now?

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Speaker 2: What do you think we're losing? And what are we like?

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Speaker 1: What part is actually just we're fucking embarrassing because we're

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Speaker 1: just gonna We don't have to be politically correct, we

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Speaker 1: can just speak the truth. So I'm curious in your

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Speaker 1: thoughts because you are so smart and you are so

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Speaker 1: ingrained in everything right now when it comes to policy

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Speaker 1: and politics, and people are turning to you for the

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Speaker 1: truth in a way that they can digest and make

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Speaker 1: it enjoyable, which I think you cut through the noise,

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Speaker 1: which I love. So what do you think we're winning?

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Speaker 1: What do you think we're losing? And how the fuck

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Speaker 1: are we just so embarrassing right now?

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Speaker 3: Okay, I think we're winning when we run on economic populism.

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Speaker 3: I think we're winning when we do not throw one

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Speaker 3: marginalized group under the bus. And there's been a lot

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Speaker 3: of toying with that with centrist Democrats. The embarrassing part

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Speaker 3: for me are the centrist Democrats that I call pick

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Speaker 3: me democrats, where they will say we just need to

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Speaker 3: quit talking about trans issues.

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Speaker 4: That's why we lost.

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Speaker 3: And I just think if you cave and you try

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Speaker 3: to make everybody like you, and you throw a group

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Speaker 3: of people under the bus that are getting bullied and

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Speaker 3: that have very high suicide rates, I think that really

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Speaker 3: shows how inauthentic you are as a politician and as

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Speaker 3: a party. And where we're losing right now is democratic leadership.

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Speaker 3: And I'm talking about chuckles Shamra, I'm talking about Hakim Jeffreys,

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Speaker 3: and I'm talking about some other Democrats that like Corey Booker,

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Speaker 3: that are beholden to APAC corporations. And let me spell

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Speaker 3: this out for your listeners like this, because I think

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Speaker 3: this is very important. I think this is going to

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Speaker 3: be a litmus test. When I talk about Israel, I'm

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Speaker 3: not talking about Jewish people, and I'm not going to

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Speaker 3: be emotionally blackmailed by people that I can't criticize a

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Speaker 3: country that is governed by a war criminal that has

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Speaker 3: an international arrest warrant out for his arrest, that funded

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Speaker 3: Hamas so that he could stay in power. I am

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Speaker 3: not going to be told that I can't criticize that.

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Speaker 3: And if I criticize that, that I'm anti Semitic. That's bullshit,

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Speaker 3: that's emotional blackmail, and that doesn't help Jewish people, it

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Speaker 3: doesn't help anybody. And so think about it like this, Ashlyn.

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Speaker 3: Elon Musk gave Trump three hundred and thirty million dollars

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Speaker 3: to get him elected. Right, do you want to know

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Speaker 3: who else gave Trump three hundred and thirty million dollars?

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Speaker 3: A pack, A pack in its affiliates gave Trump three

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Speaker 3: hundred and thirty million dollars. Wouldn't it be disqualifying right now?

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Speaker 3: If Hakim Jeffries or Corey Booker or any Democratic politician

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Speaker 3: took money from Elon Musk, they would be kicked down

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Speaker 3: the river. You'd say, we want you out of our party.

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Speaker 3: But they take money from a pack. And if you notice,

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Speaker 3: these are the people that didn't endorse Zoron Mom Donnie,

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Speaker 3: and they didn't endorse him. From what I can see

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Speaker 3: is the Democrats that try to play pick me or

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Speaker 3: what I called controlled opposition. So they're controlled by this

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Speaker 3: same force that wanted Kinks to win. Why do these

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Speaker 3: people want Kinks to win? Because Kinks will let them

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Speaker 3: do war crimes. Kinks will let them do horrible things.

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Speaker 3: And I think it's important for the Democratic Party and

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Speaker 3: Zorin did this really beautifully, and I think that we

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Speaker 3: with microphones need to keep messaging this. Anti Semitism is

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Speaker 3: linked to Islamophobia, is linked to homophobia, is linked to transphobia,

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Speaker 3: is linked to sexism, is linked to racism. And we

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Speaker 3: can say for sure there's been a rise in anti semitism,

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Speaker 3: but I can also say there's been a rise in Islamophobia.

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Speaker 3: And I can also say there's been a rise in

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Speaker 3: misogyny and sexism. You know, just you can't hardly turn

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Speaker 3: on The New York Times ran an opinion piece that said,

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Speaker 3: did women ruin the workplace? This is the New York Times.

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Speaker 1: The shit going on there, Jennifer is crazy old right now.

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Speaker 3: And so we we can't prioritize anti Semitism is the

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Speaker 3: only form of bigotry that is important. We have to

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Speaker 3: make sure they're all the same and not one gets

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Speaker 3: preferential treatment over the other because they are all connected.

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Speaker 3: I think this helped keeps Jewish people safe, it helps

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Speaker 3: keep as long Muslim people safe, women's safe, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: And so I think we win when we message an

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Speaker 3: economic populist message plus universal human rights and as it

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Speaker 3: pertains to Zoron. I think the most embarrassing thing on

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Speaker 3: the planet is that Chuckles and Hakim, both from New York,

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Speaker 3: did not endorse him.

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Speaker 4: And maybe they're not as liberal as he is. And

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Speaker 4: that's fine.

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Speaker 3: I think they can say, Look, I agree with Zoron

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Speaker 3: seven out of ten things, but he won. The people

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Speaker 3: of New York voted for him. He kicked everybody's asks,

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Speaker 3: and as a Democrat, I'm endorsing him. He's a little

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Speaker 3: further left than me, but you know what, that's okay.

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Speaker 4: That's but they did do it.

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Speaker 3: Because of this Israel thing. And then you have like

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Speaker 3: the ADL, the Anti Defamation League that started this Mom

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Speaker 3: Dammi monitor and this guy that runs the ADL, his

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Speaker 3: name is, his last name is green Blatt. And it

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Speaker 3: just amazes me that for the ADL and for Jewish people,

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Speaker 3: anti semitism from a white rich supremacist named Elon Musk acceptable,

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Speaker 3: it's acceptable, they make a carve out for it. But

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Speaker 3: then criticism of Israel and them killing and starving kids

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Speaker 3: is somehow anti Semitic, and I just I want to

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Speaker 3: cut through all of that. And I think the Democrats

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Speaker 3: need to have moral clarity on that and they need

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Speaker 3: to lead with that because if they don't, then grifters

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Speaker 3: like Marjorie Taylor Green are going to come in and

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Speaker 3: fill the void. And she's a very dangerous bad actor

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Speaker 3: that's trying to rebrand herself.

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Speaker 1: And I call bullshit on well shit, and Jasmine Crockett

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Speaker 1: said the same fucking thing, like we we can't forget

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Speaker 1: the core of these fucking people and what they're trying

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Speaker 1: to do right now. And I'm curious now because we

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Speaker 1: did have you know what was it about a week

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Speaker 1: and a half, two weeks ago, Now we swept a

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Speaker 1: lot of voting, like the Democrats. Do you think people

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Speaker 1: are waking the fuck up? Do you think people are

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Speaker 1: seeing now what is at stake, what this has costed us,

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Speaker 1: and how this is going to take a long fucking

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Speaker 1: time to fix.

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Speaker 2: Do you think people get it when you.

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Speaker 1: Look at those initial reactions from the voting people.

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Speaker 4: I do.

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Speaker 3: I think when you look at what happened with Kamala

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Speaker 3: and Trump, the base didn't show up, and now they're

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Speaker 3: realizing that that apathy or the not voting, you know,

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Speaker 3: was incredibly problematic. You also have independence that are flipping.

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Speaker 3: You also have the Latinos for Trump that for some reason,

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Speaker 3: I guess they didn't see at the RNC the huge

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Speaker 3: signs that said mass deportations now and maybe thought that

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Speaker 3: that wasn't going to impact their communities. And so I

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Speaker 3: do think that there's a mass wake up to this.

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Speaker 3: I also think, and I think this is really important

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Speaker 3: for your listeners to understand. I believe that the support

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Speaker 3: that we all feel from Maga online is manufactured. Look

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Speaker 3: at all of the people that own all of these

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Speaker 3: websites that were on Musk, Zuckerberg, Larry Ellison, etc.

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Speaker 4: They have bought farms that amplify all this Maga shit.

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Speaker 3: And Maga is real and there are real Maga people

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Speaker 3: out there, and I can tell you from just moving

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Speaker 3: from Oklahoma to here. And they're fucking crazy for sure,

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Speaker 3: these Triple Trumpers. But I do believe that there are

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Speaker 3: far more of us than there are of them, and

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Speaker 3: I do think that.

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Speaker 4: It's on its last leg.

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Speaker 3: Ye has for a dictator, he has to be the

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Speaker 3: strong man and he has to emit this strength. And

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Speaker 3: let's talk about Kink's current physical manifestation. We have bruses

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Speaker 3: on the hand that he has to cover up with cosmetics, Meanwhile,

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Speaker 3: he's anti drag. He wears, you know, the makeup, the

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Speaker 3: lack of blending is getting worse and wild than man.

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Speaker 3: Boobs are saggier than I've ever seen. The cankles are

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Speaker 3: out of control. He brags openly about being able to

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Speaker 3: identify an elephant on a piece of paper and said

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Speaker 3: he wanted to challenge AOC to a cognitive test. And

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Speaker 3: just a couple of days ago Ashland, somebody in Air

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Speaker 3: Force one asked him the MRI that you received, what

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Speaker 3: was that on your brain? And he said he couldn't remember.

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Speaker 3: So we've got a dementia ridden cankles Mctaco Tits, who

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Speaker 3: we refer to as canks, who is a frail senior citizen.

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Speaker 3: And have you seen that man out of drag? Have

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Speaker 3: you seen it?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's painful.

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Speaker 3: He really looks like shit shitagap and the orange hair

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Speaker 3: actually improve and I didn't think that would be possible.

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Speaker 3: That actually makes him look better. I kind of understand

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Speaker 3: why he does it.

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Speaker 1: Now, stay tuned, I'll be back in just a moment

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Speaker 1: after this brief message from our sponsors.

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Speaker 2: So, speaking of.

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Speaker 1: Things that have been trending lately, did you hear the

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Speaker 1: Michelle Obama quote when people keep asking her about, well,

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Speaker 1: what does it look like for you in politics? Would

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Speaker 1: you ever run to be, you know, a president or

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Speaker 1: whatever it is, And she said, listen, y'all aren't ready

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Speaker 1: for a female president, so miss me with the bullshit

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Speaker 1: and stop wasting my time, which I love too, because

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Speaker 1: she cuts through the noise.

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Speaker 2: She's not playing around. That woman is extremely.

656
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Speaker 1: Smart and she knows exactly the landscape of this country.

657
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: And she said it, don't fucking waste my time with

658
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: this bullshit. When y'all are ready to have a female president,

659
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: we can talk. And I'm curious of what you think

660
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: about that, because it has been heartbreaking as a woman,

661
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: especially a queer woman, these last two elections. I really thought,

662
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: I'm really, Jennifer, I really fucking thought we were gonna

663
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 1: win and we were gonna see this in our lifetime

664
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Speaker 1: and we were gonna have a woman leading this country,

665
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: and fuck have we fallen short? And now I'm just

666
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: I'm curious for what your thoughts are on this.

667
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 2: Are we ready?

668
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 1: Is this fucking country ready for a woman to lead?

669
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Speaker 1: Or we're still not even close.

670
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 3: I have this horrible I hate to be this guy

671
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 3: at the Garden Party Ashland.

672
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 4: But I have this horrible thought.

673
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 3: And you remember when Nikki Haley ran in the primary

674
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 3: and she got some good votes, and now she's just quiet.

675
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 3: I think that broad is going to come out, and

676
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 3: I am terrified that the first female president might be

677
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 3: a conservative.

678
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 2: Oh god, no.

679
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 3: And I know that's probably just me living in the

680
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 3: Trump era. I think that there's some ways we have to.

681
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 4: Look at it.

682
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 3: Both Kamala and Hillary ran in the middle, and they

683
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 3: played the pig me Democrat, took corporate donations and they

684
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 3: didn't offer And I voted for both of them, and

685
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 3: I would have been tickled pink. But we have to

686
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 3: be constructive in criticizing what errors our party made. I

687
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 3: think if Kamala would have come out of the gates

688
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 3: and been more critical of Joe Biden and more critical

689
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 3: of his foreign policy. But what made her such a

690
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 3: good vice president would have made her a good isn't it.

691
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 3: She was so disciplined and she was so loyal. I

692
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 3: think if we have a woman that came out and

693
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 3: ran on economic populism, on universal human rights, I think

694
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,439
Speaker 3: a woman could win. I do think a woman could

695
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 3: win in this country. I think The problem with the

696
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:24,919
Speaker 3: Democratic Party with Hillary and Kamala was that they were

697
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 3: too centrist. And I think that there's this whole thing

698
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 3: that Democrats play if I'm a centrist and some of

699
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 3: these Republicans are going to vote for me, And I'll

700
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 3: tell you when I knew Kamala was going to lose.

701
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 3: It was when she started trotting around with Liz Cheney.

702
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 3: I told Pumps, I said she's going to lose. She

703
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 3: was like, how could you say that? How could you

704
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 3: say that? And I said nobody. These Republican women are

705
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,439
Speaker 3: not going to vote for her because she's walking around

706
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 3: with Liz Cheney. The will their husbands will say, if

707
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 3: you want that new perse, you better vote for Trump

708
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 3: or we're going to be broke, and they will do

709
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 3: exactly what their husbands say, because it's all for these

710
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 3: country club Republicans. And that's what that Liz Cheney thing was.

711
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 3: And I knew if you're trying to get these people

712
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 3: to flip, you're trying to get the wrong people out. Instead,

713
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,439
Speaker 3: she should have played through the base. And of course

714
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 3: it's easy to Monday morning quarterback, and she ran an

715
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 3: incredible campaign in one hundred and seven days but we

716
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 3: have to as we move forward, how do we win?

717
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 3: And I mean a pardon me, thinks, okay, let's run

718
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 3: Andy Bursheer, white Christian right out a central casting choir boy.

719
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 3: But then I think, okay, look at what Zoran just did,

720
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 3: and he spoke honestly to people, and.

721
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 4: He had all the packs.

722
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 3: All the billionaires spent like I think I read like

723
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 3: ten billionaires spent like twenty four to twenty five million,

724
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 3: and they lost, you know, Andrew Cromo got his ass

725
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 3: beat twice twice. And so then I think, you know what,

726
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 3: let's just have a really robust primary. Maybe it's a one,

727
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 3: but I think the litmus test for the Democratic Party

728
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 3: moving forward is if you take corporate donations, specifically for MAYPAC.

729
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 3: I think the base is not going to be forgiving

730
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 3: no matter what state you're in.

731
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 2: And it's toxic. I totally agree. And and in your mind,

732
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 2: who would you like to see? Who would you like

733
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 2: to see running this country?

734
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: Like if you could pick anyone, like, who do you

735
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 1: see right now that that have the tools and more importantly,

736
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: have the fucking backbone?

737
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 2: This this we fight fire with fire.

738
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: We're too fucking nice, We're too We're always trying to

739
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: play too many fucking sides and.

740
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 2: We get we get torched in the process.

741
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 3: I agree with you on that, Yeah, I mean think

742
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 3: about it like this, Ashlynn, when Joe Biden Trumpet already

743
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 3: won and Joe Biden was still in office before they

744
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 3: did the transition, and Joe Biden pardoned his son, and

745
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 3: these Democratic strategists go out on the airwave and they

746
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 3: have stage five meltdowns. I can't believe he pardoned his son.

747
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 3: And I'm like, this is why we fucking lose. Motherfuckers,

748
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 3: We're playing two different games. You're upset that he pardoned

749
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 3: his son. Any parent anywhere would do it because you

750
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 3: have a whack job prancing into the Oval, and he

751
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 3: will try to throw Hunter in jail just to give

752
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 3: his rabid cult like.

753
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 4: Bass a bone.

754
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 3: And for me, that was one of the more savage

755
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 3: things Joe Biden did, and I wish he would have

756
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 3: done more of that when he was in office. But

757
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 3: I think we have to have just a total fighter.

758
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 3: I really like JB. Pritzker a lot. I like what

759
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 3: Gavin Newsom's doing. He's just he's fighting, he's fighting, he's hot.

760
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 3: I just if somebody will just go fight. Like hell,

761
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 3: Gavin's going to have problems and headwinds with the bass,

762
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 3: with the corporate donations, and if I'm just playing the

763
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 3: tape through, because this last presidency, Trump's second victory has

764
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 3: caused the electorate to become more educated. People are more

765
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 3: political now and they're figuring out why did this happen?

766
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 3: And nobody's really tuning into mainstream media anymore, where you

767
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 3: just get the you know, pundits that feed you. Because

768
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 3: I used to be a really good, obedient MSNBC Democrat

769
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 3: and that's all I did. Now I'm way way further

770
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 3: to the left, and that's happened to all of us.

771
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 3: And so he's going to have problems, you know. I

772
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 3: just I don't know who it's going to be yet,

773
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 3: and I think we need to have a really robust

774
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 3: UH primary and see let them beat up on each other.

775
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 4: I mean, let's you know, and it's.

776
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 2: Going to step up.

777
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: I want I want competitors. I do too, I want

778
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: like and I think that's Jennifer. I think that's also

779
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: the issue is we don't know. I want to fucking know.

780
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: I want to know who's going in there blazing hot,

781
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: rolling up their fucking sleeves, ready to go to battle for.

782
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 2: Everyone. It doesn't have to.

783
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 1: We have to cater to making everyone's life better. And

784
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: I want to know who that person is, and I

785
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: worry that it might be a little difficult. So people

786
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: need to start rising to the occasion because so much

787
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: is on the line right now.

788
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 3: You know who's darling that we had on the podcast,

789
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 3: and you've got to go follow him.

790
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 4: Actually do this, you guys, go to your TikTok.

791
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 3: And enter Wesmore whistle dance and he is the governor

792
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 3: of Maryland.

793
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 4: And he is.

794
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 3: As good licking as i'll get out, smart, compassionate, and

795
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 3: he's a great dancer. And I just remember back in seven,

796
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 3: everybody thought Hillary was going to be the candidate moving

797
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 3: into eight and this young, attractive, well spoken, smart man,

798
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 3: brock Hussein Obama ends up capturing the entire Democratic Party and.

799
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 4: It was incredible.

800
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 3: It was incredible, And so I think that something like

801
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 3: that could happen here. But I'll tell you this, much

802
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 3: as much as I dislike corporate Democrats right now, I

803
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 3: would crawl through ten feet of concrete to vote for

804
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 3: one over a MAGA, because I know what a difference

805
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 3: even a corporate centrist democratic politician makes in states like mine,

806
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 3: where women that are raped have to have their rapist baby,

807
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 3: which disproportionately affects poor people, where queer kids are just

808
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 3: bullied by the government, by their churches, by their parents,

809
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,280
Speaker 3: by the schools.

810
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 4: It's just horrific.

811
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 2: The suicide rates are through the roof.

812
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 1: And that's the worst part is the numbers don't lie,

813
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: and they still keep driving this narrative. And young kids

814
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: are taking their life, their lives every fucking minute, every day,

815
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:07,760
Speaker 1: every second, and they still keep going on and on

816
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: and on threatening our youth. It makes no sense to me,

817
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: Like we were talking about fucking children, and I'm not

818
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: saying fifteen year old children, some as young as eleven

819
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: years old. It's heartbreaking.

820
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Speaker 3: I have some friends in Oklahoma and then I'll get

821
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 3: your question, really good friends of mine, and they have

822
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 3: a trans daughter and they have completely outlawed trans care

823
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 3: in the state of Oklahoma, and so she has to

824
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 3: now move her family to California because the suicide rate

825
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 3: is so high amongst you know, trans youth. And it's

826
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,720
Speaker 3: just the way she's treated, not only by the government,

827
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 3: by the other people in Oklahoma, other parents. It's really abhorrent.

828
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 3: And all of these people are huge Christians and advertise

829
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 3: their Christianity and then they just show no compassion or

830
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 3: empathy or acceptance or comfort to this wonderful family, and

831
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Speaker 3: it's just it's really just such a sad scenario for me.

832
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 1: It really is, like, it's just it's been really heartbreaking

833
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: to be a part of the community and to see

834
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: what length these fucking awful humans are willing to go.

835
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: And you know, that's why we keep fighting, and that's

836
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,240
Speaker 1: why we roll up our sleeves and we keep talking

837
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: about it and we do our part and serve our

838
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: people in our community, whether they look like you, whatever.

839
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 1: The fucking case is just showing up for people's dignity.

840
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 2: We have totally lost sight of that.

841
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: And sorry, the question I wanted to round everything up is,

842
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 1: you know, I appreciate what you do. I appreciate because

843
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,760
Speaker 1: I know it's not easy getting political, especially at this state,

844
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: and the risk that comes with it, and you know

845
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: it brings in a lot of hate and a lot

846
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: of eyeballs and you're choosing that every day, which I respect.

847
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 1: And you stand up for the LGBTQ plus community even

848
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: though you know, you're a straight white woman, and you

849
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: have this incredible family, these beautiful kids, and you understand

850
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: the levity and the importance of fighting for people like

851
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: me and my community. And I'm grateful for that, and

852
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: I want you to hear from me thank you, because

853
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:40,280
Speaker 1: I know it's not easy.

854
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 4: Thank you.

855
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 3: You know it's I'll tell you where that comes from.

856
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 3: First of all, my mother. She always was so accepting

857
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 3: of people. And when I was in the eighties, my

858
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,760
Speaker 3: mother would take me to the mall it's called Crossroads

859
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 3: Mall in Oklahoma City, and we would go get perms

860
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 3: with big bangs and all that stuff. And we had

861
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 3: a hairdresser named Roland just as gay as I'll get

862
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:09,399
Speaker 3: out right, and my mother just loved him. And then

863
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 3: one day my mother picks me up from school and

864
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 3: she said, Darling, we're going to go see Roland, but

865
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 3: I have an announcement to make She's real dramatic my mother.

866
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 4: And I said, well, what is it?

867
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 3: And she said, well, Roland is now Renee and you

868
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 3: need to make sure you call him her. She is

869
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 3: transitioning and we just need to make sure we're accepting

870
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Speaker 3: in kind. I was twelve, Okay, So this is the

871
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Speaker 3: first time I ever heard about somebody being trans. I

872
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 3: didn't even know if that was the word. But it

873
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 3: wasn't a surprise to me because Roland presented very female

874
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 3: and then definitely Renee seemed much more authentic to who

875
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 3: this person is now. And so years later I was

876
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 3: out at the gay bar because I always had all

877
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 3: these gay guy friends, and we were out dancing and

878
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 3: I see Renee and this is probably fifteen years later,

879
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 3: and Renee comes up to me and she squeezes me

880
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 3: and hugs me, and she and I was a Wollman now.

881
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 3: But the last time she saw me, I was in

882
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 3: junior high and she said, I can I have to

883
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 3: tell you how kind you and your mother were to me.

884
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 3: And she lost all of her clients and that's why

885
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 3: we never went back to her after that, because a

886
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 3: lot of people wouldn't continue to go to her. And

887
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 3: she got into I think retail or something else, and

888
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 3: it made such a difference. And this was before you know,

889
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 3: like maybe you'd hear about this, but that was the

890
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 3: way this was taught to me. It was just this

891
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 3: is Roland now, Renee. It's not for our place to judge.

892
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 3: And as an atheist in the Bible bold I was

893
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 3: always so judged by these Christians for not being Christian,

894
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 3: and so I think that's why I found so much

895
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 3: community in the gay community. Because also I like fashion,

896
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 3: and I'm very shallow and potentious.

897
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:02,439
Speaker 4: Let me just get that out there.

898
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 2: We do our note, we do know our fashion, honey.

899
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 4: And so uh.

900
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 3: But the same people that would bully me for my

901
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 3: beliefs bullied my gay friends, and so we were able

902
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 3: to just cut through all of that superficial.

903
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 4: Acts like oh God, those people.

904
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 3: And then we could we could truly be authentic. And

905
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 3: so it's just something that I feel really deeply in

906
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 3: my bones about supporting marginalized groups. And I think that

907
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 3: using your privilege a white woman that you know, you

908
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 3: look and you're like, she Republican, and I could see

909
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 3: how somebody could think that I'm kind of Republican coded

910
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 3: looking Southern accent. But it's important that we stand up

911
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 3: for everybody, and it brings it back to that universal

912
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 3: human rights and every single group is so worthy.

913
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 4: Of fighting for.

914
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 3: And I just still think we have so much to

915
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 3: do and I'm so hopeful that the pendulum, you know,

916
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 3: comes back, and maybe we get a woman. You know,

917
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 3: maybe the pendulum swings so far, maybe it is an AOC.

918
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 4: I would love it. I'm terrified for her if that happens.

919
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 3: Because I'm gonna have PTSD now from women running for president,

920
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 3: like I'm sure you and the rest of the country does.

921
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, well, Jennifer, thank you so much for coming

922
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: on Wide Open. If for all the people watching and listening.

923
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: If you have not tuned in yet two I've had

924
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: it podcast, please do yourself a favor. Wherever you get

925
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: your podcasts, go check out Jennifer and Pumps. They are

926
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: such a good time and I look forward to our

927
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: next dinner date.

928
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 2: I love PJ parties with you. It's my favorite.

929
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 3: Yes, listener, Ashlan and I are not late night party anas.

930
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 3: We like to be casual and it's so we're like

931
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 3: perfect companions. Next time Josh is in town, we'll have

932
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 3: you and Sophia overly have an early dinner PJ party.

933
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,240
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm only coming over if I can keep drinking

934
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: my wine out of the is it fuck you Trump

935
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: mug or.

936
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,240
Speaker 4: Bug Donald Trump in rainbow flag?

937
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: Yep? So that's that will ever be Yep, Gay pride,

938
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: gogays that will forever be my mug at your house,

939
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: and you told me I could come and sleep over.

940
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 2: You called it your Lesbian.

941
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 3: Sweet, the Lesbian Sweet, the Lezie Sweet, the Leszie Sweet.

942
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 3: So they anytime you have to come into the city,

943
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 3: you and Sophia can come to the Leszie Sweet. Pump's

944
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 3: just arrived in town. She's actually the hairdresser right now.

945
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,439
Speaker 3: But I've told Pumps for years because she chronically watches Soft.

946
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 3: I'm like, why are you, Why don't you just become

947
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 3: a lesbian?

948
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 2: Just come to the good side, Pumps on Pumps.

949
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 4: Pumps is staying here now. She's in the Lezzie.

950
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: She's in the Leszie Sweet. So I will I will

951
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: be in the Leszie Sweet soon for our PJ party

952
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 1: and we'll watch a great movie together.

953
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 2: That's my ideal night recap. I have to be in

954
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 2: bed by no though. You know that.

955
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the rules for any PJ party, So I agree.

956
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: Until next time, It's so good to see you.

957
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining Jen, Jen Jennifer Gosh. I just I

958
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 2: absolutely love her. I love her.

959
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: I love her, and thank you for going there with

960
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: me for the truth, for the humor, the accountability.

961
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 2: With a side of absolute chaos.

962
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: America may be struggling, but conversations like this remind me

963
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: we're not completely doomed, just moderately doomed with a chance

964
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: of improvement if we actually start to listen to women

965
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: like her. Everyone go check out that I've had a podcast.

966
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 2: Follow Jen.

967
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: Support women telling the truth boldly and hilariously, and please

968
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: demand better from your leaders.

969
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 2: Thanks for hanging with us. I love you all so much.

970
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 1: Stay informed, stay loud, stay bold, and stay wide open.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you next week on another episode not