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Speaker 1: So the first thing we asked everybody.

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Speaker 2: It's like, man, when you first got to the league,

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Speaker 2: who was the first person to bust your ass?

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Speaker 1: You remember my rookie year, you was dead? I do

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Speaker 3: So I was hurt.

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Speaker 4: I missed the first twelve games. So I came back. Yeah, man,

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Speaker 4: I got school. Yeah, he ya, it's sad.

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Speaker 3: What's up?

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Speaker 5: Bubba Chuck and two point gee Casey had.

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Speaker 4: Me on the bench in two minutes and he told

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Speaker 4: me what he was going to do. I'm a bucket,

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Speaker 4: Who's I'm gonna get you two fouls real quick?

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Speaker 3: And I went for the same, same move, same every time.

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Speaker 1: You ain't the only one. You're not the only one. Yo, yo, yo.

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Speaker 6: Live on location, Me and the blackest one chilling in

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Speaker 6: Orlando as we always till we get back on road again.

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Speaker 6: Right now, we're going all the way out. These y'all

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Speaker 6: were going to Camden and we're going and we got

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Speaker 6: the King of Camden coming through campas Hindus man. He

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Speaker 6: rerapping to the fullest. It's a legend in his own right.

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Speaker 6: Y'all should know what's going on with him because he

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Speaker 6: was one of them people in the league. The health

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Speaker 6: issues held him back, but we're here to let y'all

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Speaker 6: know and tell his story. Big Dwan Wagner Bro. We

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Speaker 6: appreciate you coming on with wag.

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Speaker 1: Man right here.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate y'all man.

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Speaker 1: Brought to you by Die Stock.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about with you man, like I

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Speaker 2: know because I was there when you first got to

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Speaker 2: the league, and you know, you missed your first twelve games.

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Speaker 2: You don't really practice, d do a whole lot of anything.

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Speaker 2: But when they played you, when we put you in

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Speaker 2: a game like them games, I was telling folks like, man,

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Speaker 2: you average like twenty three your first damn their ten games.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, playing like speak about that

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Speaker 2: when you just got into it, and when you first played,

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Speaker 2: when you got out there with us and you first

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Speaker 4: Once I got there, I was comfortable from just you know,

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Speaker 4: coming up, coming up playing. You know, we've been seeing

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Speaker 4: each other since we was kids, so yeah, you know,

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Speaker 4: once you get there, you just hype. And when I

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Speaker 3: Then you know, I got sick so.

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Speaker 4: I couldn't so I'm just sitting on the bench watching

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Speaker 4: and the crazy thing about it.

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Speaker 3: When I came back, I was on and around like

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Speaker 4: But you know that was a shout out to coach

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Speaker 4: Luke because Luke, you know, put me aside too. Man,

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Speaker 4: just be you be you believe man, he did tell

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Speaker 4: me at that that know how.

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Speaker 3: Coach Luke was.

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Speaker 4: I remember, right, Remember, so once I went out there

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Speaker 4: and I'm like, dang, because I ain't playing out one

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Speaker 4: preseason game or nothing, and the numbers I was putting up,

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Speaker 4: I see, I'm this.

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Speaker 2: Crazy like I'm talking about right off the fact average

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Speaker 2: and tour like like twenty three. Like you, you came

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Speaker 2: straight from not playing a training camp with nothing to

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Speaker 4: It felt easier that than college because of the spacing

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Speaker 4: and all that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's all I was gonna say, like, once you

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Speaker 6: start doing that, how did your in your mind?

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Speaker 1: How was you thinking?

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Speaker 3: Would you?

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Speaker 7: Like?

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Speaker 1: Damn?

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Speaker 6: Like, man, it's kind of easy in college? Like was it?

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Speaker 6: It was like it was definitely expected.

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Speaker 4: You know you heard over the years that you know,

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Speaker 4: were home were we're trying to get this. So we're

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Speaker 4: playing harder every minute of the game. You know the

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Speaker 2: Yeah to speed because I was full in the league

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Speaker 3: No, no better.

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Speaker 4: So I'm going fool speed from the beginning, like I'm

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Speaker 3: And Luke. Luke gave me the confidence to do that.

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Speaker 2: In them games that you came back, Man, one of

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Speaker 2: them games, I know it was like a big game

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Speaker 2: I know that from you coming from cam then seeing

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Speaker 2: seeing what what Chuck and did for not only Philly

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Speaker 1: And you know we grew up on that.

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Speaker 2: He made players like you from us watching like players

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Speaker 2: like me, all of us.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, how was that game?

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Speaker 2: Because I remember being at that game and just seeing

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Speaker 4: It was special because since Chuck came to Philly, I

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Speaker 4: was attached to him and that was my eighth grade year.

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Speaker 4: You know, I don't put me around less, you know

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Speaker 4: what I'm saying. So Chuck was like that since then

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Speaker 4: my big brother, Like yeah, first before that, you know,

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Speaker 4: it was my pops that I looked up to. Once

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Speaker 4: I got a little older, started understanding the NBA, Penny

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Speaker 4: was my favorite player.

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Speaker 5: Hm.

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Speaker 3: Well, once Chuck came, it was a zoo. He created

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Speaker 3: me a new position.

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Speaker 4: If it wasn't for him, I probably wouldn't have been

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Speaker 3: They probably see it. I was too small to play

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but that game was special because when I got drafted,

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Speaker 4: we met up with Philly had a Fridays. He probably

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Speaker 4: won't even remember this as me and my boys and

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Speaker 3: So he talked. He's like, yeah, you know we both

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Speaker 3: your ass right, boys, and another buss his ass right.

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Speaker 4: But me and Chuck been working out playing with each other,

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Speaker 4: so I was comfortable, and I'm like, I already know you.

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Speaker 4: You gotta get it right back. I know what you

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Speaker 4: gonna get. He ain't no stop, but you. I was mature,

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Speaker 4: I was a student of the game. I was like, man,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was one of those moments, Like I say,

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Speaker 2: being on your team and just knowing you from over

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Speaker 1: I knew that was a big moment. And I was

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Speaker 2: Man, how you came out in that game and and

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I think, man, I know

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Speaker 1: Chuck was probably probably just ecstatic for you.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, for you to come out

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Speaker 4: It's little stuff that that I remember that, you know

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Speaker 4: what I'm saying, I always take in, like Chuck a

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Speaker 4: in the NBA. I ain't used to losing. I'm mad.

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Speaker 1: I'm mad.

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Speaker 3: I'm getting back to the locker room.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but he chased me down before we got in

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Speaker 4: the tuttle, you know, just to give me that hug

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Speaker 4: to good game. You know, keep working, man, You're doing good,

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Speaker 4: because you know that was that was my third NBA game. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 6: But that meant for him running up in the hallway

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Speaker 6: and him chasing you down.

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Speaker 4: His luck was always on that shide. Yeah, that's why

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Speaker 4: I like man Like. I don't think they give Chuck

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Speaker 3: Man Like.

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Speaker 4: He ain't just changed, you know, gay, he changed a

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Speaker 3: He had to wear it and all that.

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Speaker 1: After that, man, we.

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Speaker 6: Said all the time, bro, he made he made it.

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Speaker 6: He made it possible. He took all them, all them

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Speaker 6: like after he took all that, it was like he

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Speaker 6: with all of that at all.

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Speaker 3: It was like he dealt with it for us. It's

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Speaker 4: I could beat me, like they had to force me

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Speaker 4: to play point guard. You know, I could do what

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Speaker 6: Take me back to your to your childhood, Like when

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Speaker 6: on VARs like when did you become like noticeably better

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Speaker 3: At the time. Mine know it.

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Speaker 4: But my you know, my my uncles was putting me

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Speaker 4: I was in the project. I was in the Project Centeville.

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Speaker 4: So you know, my uncle started started with my grandpa

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Speaker 4: when I was young. He coached they called him coach

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Speaker 4: around here. He coached all the recreation leagues around here.

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Speaker 4: So around here, our biggest thing is can hide basketball.

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Speaker 4: I ain't know nothing about NBA. I ain't cared nothing

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Speaker 4: rec leagues, well you know, the House and the Darty League,

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Speaker 4: the Project League.

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Speaker 3: You play all all the projects and stuff like that.

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Speaker 4: But my uncle never let me play with my age group,

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Speaker 4: and then my uncle never was my coach.

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Speaker 1: See see it was wild.

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Speaker 3: I see that when I got older, he just was

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Speaker 3: making me a man. He was making me better I was.

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Speaker 4: I was probably eight playing against twelve thirteen years so

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Speaker 4: that's a big difference back then that he doubled me.

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Speaker 3: Because look where I'm from.

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Speaker 4: We got problem. It's my project. It's we all from

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Speaker 4: the same hood. But right across the street is a

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Speaker 4: different house than Dard. Then there's a on the other

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Speaker 4: side is another one. So we had a house in

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Speaker 4: the Darty league with like eight different projects. Right, it's

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Speaker 4: like eight different projects. So we had a lead and

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Speaker 4: my uncle ain't coach me. He went and coached.

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Speaker 3: I told you what, You're gonna shut your little ass down.

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Speaker 3: So look at that we play. He got all dudes

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Speaker 3: older than me too, added he's doubling me up there.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, damn. Once I got older, I said, I

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Speaker 4: My grandmam cussed him out we get home, He's like, nah,

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, right, But that's how you

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Speaker 2: I thought this same was the dopest fucking change I

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Speaker 2: And fifty and Nike Camp. They couldn't stop him the

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Speaker 2: Wagoner rule. You gotta pass that bitch lead three to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that.

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Speaker 1: Then you're going to score one hundred.

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Speaker 2: When I seen that ship, yeah, that was like I'm

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Speaker 3: Crazy d I was looking forward since I was born.

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Speaker 4: Everybody around here know to wear that purple and good man,

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Speaker 4: We had a meeting about me playing my eighth grade year,

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Speaker 3: But my mom and I was like, man, I relax, man,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I tried to saying I used to go to

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Speaker 4: So it was to a point like Coach Turner like,

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Speaker 1: Man, get it at that has that to go from

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Speaker 6: You got the lines outside the gym every night packed,

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Speaker 5: Putting up fifties, forties, eighties, hundreds Like.

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Speaker 4: How even though when you're in school imaginary you think

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Speaker 1: That's that.

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Speaker 3: That's what I dreamed.

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Speaker 4: And I gotta get a shout out that that Aaron

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Speaker 4: Burt he uh he helped team Final, AAU team the

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Speaker 4: Nike Shircuit, him and Vic Carr star and he is

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Speaker 4: about to be a mayor of Camden. You know, I'm

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Speaker 4: Camden out man. I love cana Hide basketball. This is

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Speaker 4: ninety six. We had to do the named Nate Johnson.

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Speaker 4: Nate Johnson one of my hair rules, Like I'm deep

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Speaker 4: Nate the world. Back then, it wan't no social media

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Speaker 4: so I'm wondering why all these other dudes getting all

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Speaker 4: asking them, like, man, why they better than them? They're like, oh, young,

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Speaker 3: It's level. It's levels. So it's like, we're gonna come

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Speaker 4: Lower Maryland was playing like Chester I think at uh

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Speaker 4: So we get there, we get there our early, but

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Speaker 4: is Kobe Gray play bang, So.

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Speaker 3: We can't get in in the college.

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Speaker 4: So that was motivation for me, Like like I still

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Speaker 4: ain't see Kobe play that night, but for him everybody

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Speaker 4: be out here going crazy like that, like that selling

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Speaker 4: Like it is more than just camming.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, straight up, let me ask you this, because like

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Speaker 6: to score one hundred points in the game, bro, that's

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Speaker 6: that's crazy. Like we see the picture with will the

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Speaker 6: Legendary Joint Life take me into a deeper dive into

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Speaker 6: that game, Like what how did it happen. When did

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Speaker 6: you like what you half? How do you go from

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Speaker 6: thirty to forty to fifty to sixty? It's like all

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Speaker 4: Like to talk, QUT started off as a regular game,

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Speaker 4: regular game, coming out like playing past, I had like

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Speaker 4: like forty son.

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Speaker 3: But I ain't no, you know, I'm just being me.

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Speaker 1: I'm just hooper. I'm just going.

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Speaker 3: I'm just going. But at the end of the third

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Speaker 1: So now my.

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Speaker 4: Teammates like, man, my cousin, I'm like, yo, man, go

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Speaker 4: get a hunted man, you're twenty four a quarter.

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Speaker 3: Get a hundred. So I'm like, hey, till damn. They

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Speaker 4: But if you watched it, it was it looked like

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Speaker 4: I was out there trying to get it, Like it

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Speaker 3: That's how our team was, Like I was the school.

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Speaker 3: Everybody played their rules.

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 8: You had an ai phi and we only had ten

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Speaker 8: threes that game. Oh that's a whole lot of two

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Speaker 1: That's a whole lot of.

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Speaker 4: I had seventy six at the at the end of

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Speaker 4: the third then I say that that's when they say,

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Speaker 1: So tell me, like, after you get the hundred points,

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Speaker 1: like what how was that?

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Speaker 2: How?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 5: What was in the paper the next day? How did

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Like what happened? Like how did you like? What if

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Speaker 1: they like after the game? What was the right up?

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Speaker 1: What was the fan reaction?

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Speaker 5: I know it was just like a buzz like no other,

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Speaker 5: Like this kid just hit a hunted.

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Speaker 4: Always be telling this story. After that night, I was

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Speaker 3: So he's like, all right, Leftie, I'm gonna see. Uh,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna see the more. I'm going to New York.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to go. He's like, all right.

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Speaker 4: So he he was meeting Jesse Armstead and ray Lewis

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Speaker 1: Night after the after the hundred points that that boy getting.

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Speaker 4: So you know they ain't ain't question because who were

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Speaker 3: They got the TVs on. So now that it come

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Speaker 3: on that meascoring one hundred, it looks like what are

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Speaker 3: you doing there?

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Speaker 1: Seventeen?

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Speaker 5: That's what I remember about New York City. So so

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Speaker 5: New York City and.

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Speaker 1: Got Ray Louis Jesse.

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Speaker 5: Three super Bowl, Right, Yeah, that's that's a that's an

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Speaker 1: That's like some real TV show movie stuff right there. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I know, like like in small towns like that,

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Speaker 3: You know, at the time he was young.

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Speaker 4: As we get older, you realize that because now I

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Speaker 3: Man, Like it's a little bit too much pressure.

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Speaker 1: But he thinking like I was thinking, because he but

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Speaker 2: Because he ain't grew up in the trenches I used he.

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Speaker 4: Did, you know, being around me, like I made sure

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Speaker 4: he was there every day like we did. You know,

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Speaker 4: he's around playing with his cousins and and a tourity.

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Speaker 4: You know the history of Canna Hide basketball. Like, listen,

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Speaker 4: it's a rich tradition, man like. And when one of

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Speaker 3: Different.

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Speaker 4: Man, you gotta work hard, like you gotta you're playing

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Speaker 4: was NBA, but when you get to college, now it's

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Speaker 4: that fun. You know you're worried about winning the state championship.

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Speaker 4: Don't think about college, none of that right now.

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Speaker 6: How was that for you when you did bring the

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Speaker 6: city that state championship basketball movement?

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Speaker 4: The best, the best feeling in the world. That that

445
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 4: was my best accomptsment ever. And that's what that's what

446
00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 4: I tell him, like, because I that was my dream,

447
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 4: you know, going to the games with my grandpa and

448
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 4: all my my dudes in the nineties, letting us down.

449
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 4: I got it for the moon flash. I came home

450
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 4: crying every time, every time, every time, and they be

451
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 4: the ones talking like they was these dudes we went,

452
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 4: like I ain't realized when we won the state championship.

453
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 3: It was the first time since eighty seven.

454
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 4: And carry in the seventies eighties powerhouse, Like we had

455
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 4: teams that was number one in the country, like cam

456
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 4: been only seven miles so to be number one in

457
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 4: the country, and you know we got for McDonald's all Americans.

458
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 3: So that's what I mean about Cannon. That's what I thought.

459
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 3: I that was my plan, and I got to win

460
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 3: a champion state championship.

461
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 4: That was my whole day, man, these four years, to

462
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 4: bring you home, because all in the nineties, he was

463
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 4: coming up short. We was coming up short, and I'm

464
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 4: looking into the dudes that were losing to like come on, man,

465
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 4: and I just I.

466
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 3: Just didn't want to help my people down. Man.

467
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 1: You get that state chip and you get to McDonald's.

468
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: How is that When I.

469
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 3: Got up there, like, you know, they are trying to

470
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 3: kick it.

471
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 4: You know, after the court, we're gonna be all boys,

472
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 4: but they don't know if I'm up there trying to

473
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 4: go at the next that next I wasn't even really

474
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 4: worrying about the McDonald's game. I'm like trying to pool.

475
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: I'm better than all, y'all. Yeah, y'all, yeah, yeah, better

476
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 1: than I know.

477
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 2: It was a bunch of guys that you're especially because

478
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 2: guys straight out of high school.

479
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,919
Speaker 1: One y'all you had a bunch of in your class.

480
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 4: Felt I felt disrespected, like I took it personal, like

481
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 4: but in a good way. Made me go work harder

482
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 4: because you know, after a while, them people start getting bored.

483
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 3: So now you'll get a seven footer that they're just

484
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, put up there because you

485
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Yeah, because he could walk, you

486
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. Well, I'm like, I'm like, I've

487
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 3: been up you know, doing it since then.

488
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 6: Ninth grade varsity putting up fifties and forties on them.

489
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, like my my first high school game.

490
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 4: My grandma just reminded me of my freshman year the

491
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 4: last scrimmage, Daunte Jones. We're playing against him the scrimmage.

492
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 4: He tried to take a charge and I came down

493
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 4: on my wrists. I broke my wrist.

494
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 3: So I already told you ill I feel about Canai basketball.

495
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 3: This is my dream.

496
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 4: So this next week supposed to be my first game.

497
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 4: They said, I am about six to twelve weeks. That's

498
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 4: the season, not the waited my whole life. Man, I'm like, man,

499
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 4: I looked at my grandmom like I ain't missing no game.

500
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 1: So you scored forty with a fucked up wrisk freshman.

501
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 3: I was playing half a year. I was playing with it.

502
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 3: If y'all around paying attention on West called me lefty.

503
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 4: He called me lefty because I broke my wrist, so

504
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 4: I had a big ass cast on my hand. So

505
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 4: I broke my hand when I was younger, so I

506
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 4: always used to mess around with my left hand and

507
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 4: like shoot with my left hand. So I'm telling coach like, coach,

508
00:27:55,480 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 4: I'm playing like he like, Man, you know, maybe in

509
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 4: the middle of the year, he'll be all right, I say, Coach,

510
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 4: I'm playing like I'm playing. Ain't nobody keep me out

511
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 4: of the day. Man, you know what I'm saying, I'm playing.

512
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 4: By the third day, he's watching me down there shoot

513
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 4: with my left hand, so we like start thinking about it.

514
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 4: So about time that day came before the game is

515
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 4: a Friday, I had my doctor's appointed me, my grandma

516
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 4: and coach turned the one to the or though, and

517
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 4: you know, we talked to the doctor. They're like, man,

518
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 4: you know it's still a fraction. You know, we probably

519
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 4: make him a brace if he could deal with it.

520
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

521
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 4: It's up to y'all. I'm gonna tell y'all know, but

522
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 4: it's up to y'all. But that that's how passionate I was.

523
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 3: You know the place for can.

524
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 4: I But my first high school game I played with

525
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 4: my left hand. Yeah, I mean twelve twelve points.

526
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 3: The left shot.

527
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: I had to shoot with my left show it definitely

528
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been no points. There a whole lot of rebounding.

529
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 4: With me.

530
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: I can only dribble both times with my left and

531
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: I had to tap it with them. I did go

532
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: back to the left, you know what I'm saying.

533
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 2: But I remember, you remember when we used to every

534
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 2: time we used to go to Philly, Man, what we

535
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: used to do so one right away, every time we

536
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: came to Philly, we go straight to cam then I

537
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 2: go straight to can the way be right there, the

538
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 2: projects man right there at the tavern.

539
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: It was a tavern across the streets on the project be. Yeah,

540
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: we used to be up there.

541
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 3: They be like, where you going.

542
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: I'm like where you're going. You're like, I'm gonna go

543
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: to camp. I went to there and all the man

544
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: were all the.

545
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 3: Can all day like you fair like you from there.

546
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 2: I Man, we were walking to everybody though through the projects,

547
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 2: were instill walking around the building. Were walking through somebody

548
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 2: house and walk through they dog walk out the other side.

549
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: They all remember that, Man, that was the ball.

550
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 2: There was something good memories about that to this day. Man,

551
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 2: we used to be together. Man, that just to be dope.

552
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 2: But going back to your son though, Man, to just

553
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 2: see that next generation and the opportunity because nobody ever

554
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 2: had the opportunity to with they had the opportunity, but

555
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: nobody ever had three kids, I mean three people from

556
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 2: generations be that good in their generations and get the

557
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 2: opportunity to put a mark in the NBA, I mean

558
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 2: in a basketball game, not just the NBA, but just

559
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 2: the basketball world. To see your son out there right now,

560
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 2: and man, like I was telling you when I talked

561
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 2: to you, I was like, man, I love watching your

562
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: son play because he don't really dunk. He just get

563
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 2: buckets and he do everything. Ain't flashy North South instead

564
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 2: of East West. You know what I'm saying, like, remind

565
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 2: me so much of you and he extra and then

566
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 2: like you know, I know, people be like, yeah, you

567
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 2: see all these other little kids, they highlight and they

568
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 2: got a whole highlight feeling like they're in the league.

569
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 2: But real people know, real basketball. But to see your

570
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 2: son out there doing.

571
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 4: This thing, like as a parent, it's a whole different feeling, man,

572
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 4: Like that's a baby boy right there.

573
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: But you know.

574
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 4: It's really from you know, my dad giving me the

575
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 4: game and me having my uncles around, you know, uncle around,

576
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 4: so me knowing how to do it the right way.

577
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 4: You know, whatever I thought I lack, I made sure

578
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 4: he had. Yeah, you know his mom, she do a

579
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 4: good job with him, you know, as a person, and

580
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 4: we make sure first you gonna be a good person

581
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 4: man like basketball to workout, you go anywhere and get

582
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 4: a job or whatever.

583
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 3: But he make it easy on us, man, he make

584
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 3: it easy on us, like a good kid.

585
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 4: And he wanted to be the best like and to

586
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 4: start with, he wanted he want to win. He want

587
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 4: to win the state championship with Canna High. So that's

588
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 4: what he's really working hard for. Like you know he

589
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 4: he hear that all them rankings and stuff. He don't

590
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 4: care about that at all, Like like that's he blind

591
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 4: to it.

592
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 3: He blind to it. But you know he just just

593
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 3: really keeping him around, you know, the byes.

594
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 4: Let him know, man, because today they really like messed

595
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 4: the game up for these kids.

596
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 3: Man, like you got these au coaches.

597
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 4: They treating him like they made it already, man like,

598
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 4: so I keep him away from all that stuff. Let

599
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 4: him know, like, Yo, you got to work. You gotta

600
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 4: work any young you know, with the reclass and all

601
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 4: that stuff. So I'm like, yo, you gotta go harder

602
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 4: because all these boys gonna be older than you. Like,

603
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 4: he's still fifteen. He's still fifteen right now. So he

604
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 4: wonted though, like like he look at me. Wanted if

605
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 4: anybody tell you, like he gonna look you in your eye,

606
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 4: talk talking to you.

607
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 3: He wanted to learn, like he's still fifteen right now.

608
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 3: So like like like when you see people say his

609
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 3: ass let it, you know, he ain't that ass let it.

610
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 4: Ain't had puty yet, straight up, Nah, he's still bro.

611
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 4: He got little hair on his legs. And you know

612
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, it's crazy, It's crazy. Man, that's why

613
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 4: we just stay away from that. But we you know,

614
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 4: you know, we do it the way how we came up.

615
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 3: Man, we had some thorough old heads around us.

616
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 4: And these these the people that's around these kids man

617
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 4: in it for something, man, and they don't never it

618
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 4: don't never go that way.

619
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 9: Man.

620
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 6: Speaking of that, like how did how did you decide

621
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 6: when you were choosing your school? Like I know, we

622
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,439
Speaker 6: all know you went to the you know, the great

623
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:24,240
Speaker 6: John Calipari. And I feel like that's a good segue

624
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 6: just about how you chose your coach, because I feel

625
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 6: like he's one of the guys that really champions the player,

626
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 6: doing what's best for you and your family.

627
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: And I feel like he's one of.

628
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 6: The guys that, uh, regardless of what people say about him,

629
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 6: when I look around the college landscape, when you see

630
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 6: always look at the players and the players relationship with

631
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 6: the coaches and stuff like that, And when you see

632
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 6: things from John caler Perry's previous players in his form,

633
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 6: they all love them. They all show up to anything

634
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 6: that's honoring him, they all show up to when they

635
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 6: all speak how the of them, they always talk about

636
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 6: how they genuinely care about him. And he genuinely they

637
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 6: feel like he did even be cared about them. So like,

638
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 6: how did how did how did you choose?

639
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 5: And like d Miles always like say, it wasn't any

640
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 5: other school that could have got you.

641
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 3: I don't even know who I got recruited by. I

642
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 3: ain't think not a.

643
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: Visit your baby visit. Yeah, that sounds like you. That's

644
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: sounds like you.

645
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 3: That's like when you showed up.

646
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 2: You was one of the ones that started that way

647
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 2: to me, started that way with Caliportia and not saying

648
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 2: that he didn't do nothing before he got.

649
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: You been a major recruited like you started that wave.

650
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 2: Because after you was Dereck Rose and then he go

651
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 2: to Kentucky, like you started that way for him.

652
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 4: So like coach was coaching in Philly when I was

653
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 4: in the tenth grade, I used to I used to

654
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 4: go over there. No, he know, he was at New

655
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 4: Jersey first he got fired from Jersey. So that's what

656
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 4: Coach Brown body one the staff Philly. So I used

657
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 4: to go over there and work out, work work out, right,

658
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 4: So so coach wasn't he wasn't thinking about going to college.

659
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 4: So you know him and my dad had that that

660
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 4: that relationship already relationship.

661
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 3: So't won't, man, I don't.

662
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 4: He was ten steps a hey man like him, and

663
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 4: Coach was tight like, Yo, you're thinking about going to college,

664
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 4: so Coach like, wa when I send.

665
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 6: My nephew with you, Coach looking like and I mean

666
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 6: it makes sense for you not to go on visits

667
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 6: the way you the way you say you ain't even

668
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 6: with none of that anyway, So I could see you

669
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 6: not want to go on under the visits and that stuff. Man,

670
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 6: you know o J.

671
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 3: You know that's my brother. He was a year year

672
00:36:58,600 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 3: year ahead of me.

673
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 4: Whatever college he's going to, that's where I'm going at.

674
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,919
Speaker 4: I put that out there my sophomore year.

675
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 6: How was it for you when you first got there?

676
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 6: Like you going from you know, like you you born

677
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 6: and bred and and you Camden all the way. Now

678
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 6: you go down here that in Memphis, Caden hospitality, and

679
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 6: I know it was so so Southern hospitable, Like how

680
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 6: did you like it when you got there?

681
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: Especially being like who you were coming there?

682
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 3: I love you. It was different, but it was candy,

683
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.

684
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 4: It was different by being though it was in the South,

685
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 4: like they do things different, but it was it was

686
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 4: the trenches, it was.

687
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,439
Speaker 3: Candy, So I felt that home.

688
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 4: They love basketball out there, man, and it's some good

689
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 4: people that out there.

690
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:03,479
Speaker 3: Like that's my second home. That's my second home.

691
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 6: This is what I wanted to ask you to though.

692
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 6: After Memphis you declare and how was it for you?

693
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 6: You know, we also sharing comedy. We we we actually

694
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 6: got to be some of those guys that get to

695
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 6: go and go to the draft, be in that green room,

696
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 6: you know, shake David Tharns hand.

697
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: How was that for you?

698
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 5: Growing up?

699
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 6: And you know the NBA being a dream and then

700
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 6: you finally, you know what I'm saying, you get to

701
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:28,919
Speaker 6: you get to do that. You get to walk across

702
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 6: that stage and you know your whole hood, everybody you

703
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 6: ever knew looking at you, and you get to achieve

704
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 6: that goal. Like how was that moment for you?

705
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 1: Getting your boys?

706
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 9: You know.

707
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 3: That was that was the best thing think about?

708
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: Like real I was.

709
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 3: I was really.

710
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 4: Happy for my my city, you know what I'm saying,

711
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 4: Like like to do something positive, like you know the

712
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 4: kids could see like they could do it.

713
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 3: Like, but I said, like.

714
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 4: The moment I want to stay championship was a better

715
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 4: feeling than when I got drafted.

716
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,760
Speaker 3: I swear to God, bro, I swear to got love, Like, wow,

717
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 3: that's crazy. They can't. The camp and stuff came first,

718
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 3: but I was definitely happy that.

719
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 4: Then I found out, you know, d was gonna be there,

720
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 4: so I knew I was gonna have some people around

721
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:23,919
Speaker 4: me that I messed with, you know what I'm saying.

722
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 3: But but it was like.

723
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 4: Because you know, he had me around it, you know,

724
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 4: then for my dad. You know, my dad plaid in

725
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 4: the league too, So it's just like, man, it's time

726
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 4: to go now, you know what I'm saying. Like, that's

727
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 4: why I know if I wouldn't have got sick, it

728
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 4: would have been skies the limit because I wasn't the

729
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 4: type of dude that go out, you know, do all

730
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 4: that stuff.

731
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 3: I just wanted to hoop. I just wanted to hoop, man,

732
00:39:58,760 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 3: I just wanted to hoop.

733
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 5: You know.

734
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:01,919
Speaker 1: That's why you need to be told.

735
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 2: Man, a legend in these in this basketball world, man,

736
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 2: and then you create brothers.

737
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: Man.

738
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 2: Like I said, we don't got to talk, man, but

739
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,720
Speaker 2: you know we always the same time every time.

740
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: We see we see each other.

741
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 7: That's when you know what it is as we do this.

742
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 7: I was like, man, call you, I'll do it. I

743
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 7: see man, I'm doing the podcast.

744
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 2: I gotta get you out here, man, because like I said,

745
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 2: you one of them unique stories man, and I always

746
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 2: admired you and the way you carried yourself and just

747
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 2: how you was. And I seen like how they say, like,

748
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 2: oh you see these people like oh man, they averaging

749
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 2: twenty as a rookie, and I'm like, man, d Wine

750
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 2: Wagner would have averaged twenty to twenty five points as

751
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 2: a rookie guarantee, like straight off the straight off the pot,

752
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 2: straight up.

753
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 4: I remember it like because because I wasn't healthy. It's

754
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 4: like I ain't have a preseason game to get the

755
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 4: field up, warm up.

756
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 3: Like you, Like Luke had to like begg them people

757
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 3: like come on, man, I didn't play like they. Luke

758
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 3: threw me out there and say, man, do what you do.

759
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 3: Do what you do. He made it comfortable, He made

760
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 3: it for me. So but we know we we just got.

761
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 4: Caught up, and you know which which happened for the

762
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 4: best for them, You know what I'm saying.

763
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 3: Lebron being the number one pick that changed that whole

764
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 3: city around. You know what I'm saying, but.

765
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 4: Everything could have stay house opposed to stay you know,

766
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 4: we all stayed healthy.

767
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:45,919
Speaker 3: He wouldn't have to leave Cleveland.

768
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: And didn't know what he was doing. He definitely had

769
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: to leave.

770
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 2: They kept us all together, get us right, and we

771
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 2: kind of like I love I love Paul Solace because

772
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,919
Speaker 2: he's a real one. I tell folks this all the time.

773
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 2: But he the his his philosophy of the game. It

774
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 2: wasn't ready for our game. Like even when when you

775
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 2: put it in it was like maybe running this old

776
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 2: school offense with a big is up top.

777
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: You gotta run door inside, run off the big that

778
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: like you talk jazz, but.

779
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 2: We had running guys me you Brian Ricky Davis called

780
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,720
Speaker 2: those boozer like Don Nelson was coaching.

781
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 3: And now as you get get over the day they

782
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 3: you know, with bron they didn't want you know what

783
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 3: I'm saying. Yeah, and that it would have.

784
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 4: Healthed him, you know what I'm saying, And that's how

785
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 4: they wanted health. That's how they end up losing him

786
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 4: in the beginning. Yeah, but they was like trying to

787
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 4: protect him.

788
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 9: Man.

789
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: He was cool, like bro like man. That's he was

790
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 1: cool and ready to go with the ship.

791
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 2: And with the ship he came out first game, it's

792
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 2: Secremado with crazy.

793
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 3: Like when he knew, you could tell he's gonna be special.

794
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 6: It's the crazy part right here though. This is the

795
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 6: crazy part right here, the same way, the same way

796
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 6: you came to Chicago and was around it, like that

797
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 6: was how we first met Lebron. Fast forward before he

798
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 6: come out of high school. He was a sophomore. Lebron

799
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 6: had glasses and he came to hoops like West brought

800
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 6: him and he was chilling. He was chickening with townwyn Walker.

801
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 6: So like when he first he came out he played,

802
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 6: it was him and Maverick. Maverick was with him because

803
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 6: I remember Maverick was still Maverick was I think whatever.

804
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 6: He was about to go to school he went, so

805
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, Like I remember him being there,

806
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 6: like I'm talking about hen went out with this, so

807
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, We already knew he was cool.

808
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 6: He wasn't like you know what I'm saying, mixing with

809
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 6: the people like chilling like that.

810
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 3: Was the people upstairs, man, ain't you know? Yeah?

811
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 1: Like you say, Wes Alreays put boys and playing with

812
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: the right people.

813
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 6: And you know what I'm saying, solid people that's gonna

814
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 6: make sure you take killed and ain't nothing gonna happen.

815
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 2: To Cleveland never had this type of atension in the

816
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,720
Speaker 2: history of up there basketball, even when they was winning.

817
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, no disrespect, but like when

818
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 2: Lebron came, it was instant media, instant attention.

819
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: They never had nothing like that, you know what I'm saying.

820
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: Once like.

821
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 4: Ill overcome to the injury, Like even the second year

822
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,439
Speaker 4: when I came back, I had the kneeter. I came back,

823
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 4: I was coming off the bench, I was putting up

824
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 4: numbers done. I'll go from helping us win a game

825
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 4: on like a game winning shot to the game I

826
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 4: played at all.

827
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: When I played at all, that was the up to down.

828
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 2: I remember he put me on the bench, which I

829
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 2: wanted Lebron to reup point because you know how Lebron

830
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 2: Lebron than me.

831
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what he do now.

832
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 2: He looked gonna come to me at points, so I

833
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,439
Speaker 2: wanted him to run point and let me go stay

834
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 2: in my position.

835
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: And when he do that, put it made it kind.

836
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 2: Of fucked me up, like it made me make turnos

837
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 2: into a bunch of out of the ordinary ship that

838
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 2: I don't even do.

839
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: Where did he finally took me out the game and

840
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: benched me.

841
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 2: And I ain't never been on the team that I

842
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 2: didn't play like he put I renewal in for me,

843
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 2: and IVERY was that's my guy?

844
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: Like really, but it was like I was losing. After that.

845
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,959
Speaker 2: I was gone because I ain't never experienced it before

846
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 2: in my career. Like I was gone in the head,

847
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 2: like this mother fuck ain't playing me.

848
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 1: Then you know what killed me out?

849
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 2: Damned their cry When we went to Chicago and Mike

850
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 2: was at the game and this motherfucker didn't play me.

851
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I was bentually fucked.

852
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: Live Bro play with me, like damn you know?

853
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 2: Like that, my boy, I damned the cry, but I

854
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 2: hurt my feelings, Bro, like that man didn't play me.

855
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 2: Mike at the game, Mike. After the game, Mike, Mike

856
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 2: came to me like, hey, do you mind what's up?

857
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: Boy? I damned their CRD in front of Mike. Bro,

858
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: I said, Man, I might hear that nineteen twenty years.

859
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: It's stressful that explanation. It definitely is secured.

860
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 3: The basketball Park. It wasn't never.

861
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 4: I was always confident about bad basketball, you know what

862
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:17,439
Speaker 4: I'm saying.

863
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 3: It was just the you know, the bad breaks I

864
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 3: was catching with my health.

865
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 2: Explain it because like I was on your team, I

866
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 2: didn't know, like I know you was heart but I

867
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 2: didn't go into details. You know. We were just supporting

868
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 2: each other, you know what I'm saying, and messing with

869
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 2: each other and love it on each other, all right, right.

870
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 4: She look Look from the second day of practice, I

871
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 4: got old boot in my jaw. You probably remember I

872
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 4: set out. They gave me some inflammatories. That's what caused

873
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 4: the bladder affection for me taking that and not drinking

874
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 4: fluids cause the blood cloud.

875
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, drinking butt.

876
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 4: It just started from here, like they're giving us all

877
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 4: these medicines and going into your gut. So that what

878
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 4: scared me. I had blood in my stool. Yeah, So

879
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 4: I tell Matt, like, oh, I got blood in my stool.

880
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 4: He like, it's probably for something you ate.

881
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:17,760
Speaker 3: Look at nineteen, that's.

882
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: What you want to do? Like all right, I said,

883
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: like real talk yo.

884
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 2: After that, because I was taking shots in the d

885
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 2: was taking them shots every every week, every two weeks.

886
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 4: The next year, I was going back, but like as

887
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 4: me doing research getting older, they like, man, all the

888
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 4: medicines that they give me all, you know, killed my

889
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 4: gut and that's what caused the colis.

890
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:45,720
Speaker 1: I'll never forget.

891
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 6: Like you remember, we all remember when Zoe had the

892
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 6: problem with his kidneys and stuff. By Linzo morning, so

893
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 6: me and Zoe got the same age as Jeff Westler

894
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 6: and he was like as soon as that happened, he

895
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 6: was like, yo, I don't want you taking nothing from

896
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 6: nobody the doctor unless unless, like you know, it's like

897
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 6: you like even then you called me and we're gonna

898
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 6: talk about it.

899
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: But you that's the absolute last resort I remember, like

900
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: you know.

901
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 6: Cause you know like in our generation, man, you sprain anker,

902
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 6: you do you do anything like by the time you

903
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 6: get it out the shower and all this day you

904
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 6: got that little cup with a little little envelope with

905
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 6: the little pills in it for you you about to

906
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 6: take like I'm like, and you don't even ask questions.

907
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 6: You just coming boom boom. And when he when that

908
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 6: happened with with with with zoea my agent, Jeff told

909
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 6: me that from that point on, I'm talking about all

910
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 6: the way to when I had my back shirts.

911
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: I wasn't taking nothing. I was you're gonna go.

912
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,720
Speaker 6: I was like nah, because it really had It scared

913
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 6: me because I'm like, you know, you look at Lonzo

914
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 6: like so like.

915
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: He he's a picture of the super hero like action figure,

916
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 1: like he messed up from something. I was scared. Then

917
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: that was that that scared me me.

918
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 3: For me, it was like a trigger effect. It was

919
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:50,919
Speaker 3: my jaw.

920
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 4: They gave me antibiotics that caused a bladder effects from

921
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:59,919
Speaker 4: the blood cloud. Then the knee, then the knee again,

922
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 4: and so I'm just constantly getting these medicine.

923
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: It just I have to go through surgery. Get this

924
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: is so much stuff? Yeah, man, it was.

925
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 4: Oh I couldn't even go outside. Bro, I couldn't even

926
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 4: go outside. And then they say, they say stress do

927
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 4: a lot with it too, because you remember when I

928
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,720
Speaker 4: came back, you was just saying how I was killing.

929
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 4: You know, we we we can say we're the first

930
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 4: first dude that was a part of blatant taking.

931
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: Straight up, straight up real talk. He real talk.

932
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 3: You know, we're young. I'm nineteen at the time I

933
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 3: come back. You know, we we were killing like we were.

934
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 2: In gangs member, like you was the spark we needed,

935
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 2: like that when you came back and how you came in.

936
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 5: He was like, y'all needed he wasn't spark. They won't it.

937
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 6: They were right.

938
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 1: About to say, yeah, you know what I'm saying, like like, yeah,

939
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: about to say that. I was about to say that

940
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 1: because like they don't.

941
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't want to really win that year, so

942
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 2: they won't know us to really do the best of

943
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 2: the best because they want to.

944
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 4: You know, Ricky was saying certain stuff to me back then,

945
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 4: but at the time, I'm nineteen.

946
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 3: Yea here Bimbo t Hill.

947
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 4: When I was saying that, yeah, they keep taking out

948
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 4: of the compliment, I'm like, man, like, no disrespect the smush.

949
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: But he was a.

950
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 4: What it's called undrafted free agent. Yeah, I just had

951
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 4: twenty five. We flying to the West. Coat Looke called

952
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 4: me up to the front of the plane like man,

953
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 4: he couldn't even look me in my face. He's like, man,

954
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 4: we're gonna we're gonna start bringing you off the bench again.

955
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 4: You ready to play point guard?

956
00:50:55,680 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, what the funk I do wrong? What

957
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 3: I do?

958
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: Like we ever heard?

959
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,240
Speaker 4: Like I know my I know the history of NBA

960
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 4: basketball too, Like I'm a student of the game. Like

961
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 4: the worst team in the league, your number six big

962
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 4: ain't hes gonna play all the minutes, right matter, especially

963
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 4: score twenty five there.

964
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 6: Night, and it's a it's a throwaway season. It's not

965
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 6: like you know what I'm saying, It's no reason for

966
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 6: him not to get this experience in.

967
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 3: Back right right.

968
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 2: So so like that that that was stressful and never

969
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 2: lost a day in your life, you losing such the

970
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 2: what the environment was, like, you know what I'm saying.

971
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: We had all talents in.

972
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 3: The world, all the talent done.

973
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 2: Luke dirty, yeah, you dirty got him about that, John

974
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 2: Lucas for those.

975
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:56,439
Speaker 6: Legendary og man in them all love and respect Big Luke.

976
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: Yeah.

977
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 3: But Luke was a real one though. That's why I

978
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 3: love Luke to the day because.

979
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 4: He kept they said playing at the point Luke kept

980
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 4: put me at Luke couldn't even look me in the eyes,

981
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 4: like I could tell like, dang, this ain't coming from Luke.

982
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 3: That's when I know I knew it was a busy

983
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 3: man upstairs.

984
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 2: Even the next year though, but you know, like even

985
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 2: you know that first year when it was just us

986
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 2: and then even when we got Lebron, you know what,

987
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 2: you know what to do?

988
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:29,959
Speaker 1: They didn't know what to do. We had all telling

989
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,800
Speaker 1: the world that year too, I didn't know what to do.

990
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 2: They were trying to make up fake fights with Lebron

991
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,399
Speaker 2: and saying it was like, man, you know how.

992
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 3: Ro Bron was found.

993
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: You know, Bron came and came right in.

994
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 3: Rich.

995
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 2: That's why I tell Rich introduced us to Pride. We

996
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 2: used to go to this high school game before.

997
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,720
Speaker 3: I used to Cleveland. Rich from Cleveland.

998
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 4: So when I met when I worked out for the Cats,

999
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 4: Bron Bron. I think Bron meant Rich like a week

1000
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:09,399
Speaker 4: before in the airport. So we was down like at

1001
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 4: the high I think when I was working out for

1002
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 4: the Cats.

1003
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 3: So Bron came up to meet you and Bron and

1004
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 3: them called Rich. So so that's how me and Rich

1005
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:27,720
Speaker 3: Richard Rich rich Man Rich, good dude, Rich and good dude.

1006
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: I'm proud, proud, like knowing where he came from. Remember

1007
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: we used to get we used to get the CDs

1008
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: in the Germany. It just take us to the mall.

1009
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 6: And that's why I be laughing, like, you know, you

1010
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 6: get all these people saying like and I tell people

1011
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 6: all the time, like bro y'all had no clue.

1012
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: Nobody like, especially from over this way.

1013
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 6: We're not hating on Lebron or nothing there, like you

1014
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying, Like when you see what he

1015
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 6: didne did for not only like like everybody see what

1016
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 6: he did for the world right for you know, communion

1017
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 6: and all that, but like when you look at his

1018
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:06,240
Speaker 6: his inner circle and how he didn't elevated them boys

1019
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 6: and put them boys into a millionaire status on their own,

1020
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 6: Like yeah, I mean obviously it wouldn't have happened without Lebron,

1021
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 6: But like then everyone I'm able to stand off on

1022
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 6: their own and say they got this and that going

1023
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,240
Speaker 6: like that right there, bigger than anything.

1024
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 9: And I know rich had that dry like like rich

1025
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 9: come from where we come from, real talk, Richard, the hustle,

1026
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 9: the long way, the long way from you.

1027
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,280
Speaker 2: Know, the guy to get you anything from the street.

1028
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: Rich guy without me, Hey Richard, that's.

1029
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 4: Position from Memphis, the Cleveland. He's like rich We was

1030
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,720
Speaker 4: at the house every day him, my boy Mikey.

1031
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 6: That's the funny thing because they always want us to

1032
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 6: that's just on social media. They got like the one

1033
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 6: little clip going around from right before that, I was

1034
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 6: about to draft Lebron just so like de Miles, Bulls, like.

1035
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 5: Ricky Davis, I want to say, maybe small.

1036
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 6: It showed like three or four of them, and it

1037
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 6: seemed like they seeing like some hating stuff, but they

1038
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 6: not what they trying to do. What they trying like

1039
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 6: if people like you know how the internet is right,

1040
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 6: so it's like that, but like if you really at

1041
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 6: that time, I know what's going on.

1042
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: They looking at it.

1043
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 6: They trying to soften the blow and soften the pressure

1044
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 6: for this kid that they don't nobody don't know.

1045
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 5: If he's gonna live up to everything they saying.

1046
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: They don't. They trying to.

1047
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 6: They're trying to soften the blow and take the expectations

1048
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 6: and take the edge off, like hey, he's not supposed

1049
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 6: to come here and like save everything like they trying to.

1050
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 6: They being oh geez, like they're supposed to be. But

1051
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 6: you know, the internet in the media gonna.

1052
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: Twist it and say, oh, look at it. Well, I

1053
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: really love to.

1054
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 6: Say, hear what y'all donna say about these comments now,

1055
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 6: It's like, bro, nobody was never hating, Like, go ask

1056
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 6: Lebron if he was hanging with those guys and if

1057
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 6: they was hating on them, like they all hung out.

1058
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:04,439
Speaker 1: They were friends like white family man. Bron fact, Bron used.

1059
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:08,399
Speaker 3: To be together every dingy every day.

1060
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 6: I know this because I talked, you know, my brother.

1061
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 6: This is why I laughed when we don't know that

1062
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 6: because you're not he came and we not those guys

1063
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 6: even try to address it. We just look at it

1064
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 6: and laugh.

1065
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: But you get it.

1066
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 4: I was a dude that I ain't like attention, you

1067
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. And Bron he gonna it's going

1068
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 4: to just be attention around you know what I'm saying,

1069
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 4: all that media and stuff. So when when it came

1070
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 4: down to that, like like Bron used to be at

1071
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 4: the crib every day all moves. Yeah, when when when

1072
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 4: he was still a hard school you know Rich.

1073
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:52,800
Speaker 2: I want to talk about the summer, the summer of

1074
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 2: when you signed back, when you signed with Golden State.

1075
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: I know I was. I was just hearing.

1076
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 2: I was like wag about to clumb back and he

1077
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 2: killing everything that move all summer. I remember somebody was

1078
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 2: telling me it was about a pickup game. I think

1079
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,280
Speaker 2: it was supposed to be vincing a bunch of people

1080
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 2: pick up game you had and you was just killing

1081
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 2: and everybody was like, man, you need to go get

1082
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 2: on back, get to going, Like, man, how was that

1083
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 2: summer for you when you was trying to come back

1084
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 2: and made you made the decision to try to try

1085
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 2: to spend the wheel again?

1086
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 4: You know, year before that was the young got diagnosed

1087
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 4: with the awesome colitis and it hit me hard, like

1088
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 4: like to the worst that I had. I had to

1089
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 4: get the surgery in order for me to so in

1090
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 4: the nbain't nobody back then didn't know what that was.

1091
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 4: They like they ain't know how to kill me. Like

1092
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 4: I had to get some of my cooling, took it out,

1093
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 4: like they made me.

1094
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: A new cooling, right damn Okay, you know what I'm saying.

1095
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 4: Like it's called like a j pout surgery, right mom,

1096
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 4: Like it was it was hard. It was hard, man,

1097
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 4: It's like an eight hour surgery. Eight hour surgery. But

1098
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 4: that's what I was going through the whole time in

1099
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 4: Cleveland that Cleveland clinic diagnosed me with it.

1100
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 2: Shout out to Cleveland Clinic because they took care of

1101
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 2: my mom too, man, when she was going through her cancer.

1102
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 3: But I got the surgery.

1103
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 4: When I came back, man, I was like fifty I

1104
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 4: was like forty pounds. Forty pounds. So once they cleared me,

1105
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 4: it was supposed to be like a two to three

1106
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 4: year process. So I started working out, start working out,

1107
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 4: Like within like six months, I was playing.

1108
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 3: I'm playing.

1109
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 4: We had a program league in Philly, you know camps

1110
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 4: in and Philly. You can throw a rock right across.

1111
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: The bridge, across the bridge right there.

1112
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 4: So we had a program league cat Alba Williams. Just

1113
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 4: when they still all in the league, keen board showing Coaston.

1114
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 4: Everybody played that league. Southne played for the sixties. It

1115
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 4: was in the gym Drexel. It'd be real hot, real hot.

1116
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 4: So I was playing that league and it got me

1117
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 4: in shape. You know about time. In the middle of

1118
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 4: the summer, I was killing. I was killing. I was

1119
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 4: probably I was better than what I was because you know,

1120
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 4: like twenty three, that's when you you're hitting your prime.

1121
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 4: So I'm like, man, I wasn't even thinking, but my mindset,

1122
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 4: I'm gonna sit out this whole year, get my body right,

1123
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 4: then I'm gonna go at it. But it scouts start

1124
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 4: coming to them program games like I was putting up sixties.

1125
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 4: One game I had eighty. Yeah it's against throws, like a.

1126
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 1: Well, you're a whole life bucket boy, you're for your life.

1127
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 3: I had in one of.

1128
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 4: Them games and it was five pros on the team

1129
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 4: and I'm and I'm the person against I'm playing with

1130
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 4: my camera.

1131
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 3: Dudes, you know what.

1132
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 4: I'm saying, like like like listen, just give me. I'm

1133
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 4: gonna do you just give me, give me a little

1134
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 4: bit of help and I'm gonna get his there.

1135
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

1136
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, So.

1137
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 3: Scouts start coming.

1138
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 4: So now Leon, Leon Rose, he called me up like

1139
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 4: Golden State wants you to come work out for him.

1140
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 3: So I'm like.

1141
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 2: Do it?

1142
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 4: He like yeah, you like the way they say you're looking,

1143
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 4: like how your body feel like you know what I'm saying,

1144
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 4: It's all right, I think, you know. So I went

1145
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 4: out there. I was out there for like a week.

1146
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 4: I was feeling I was killing and Seattle had like

1147
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 4: eight Roger spots. They called Leon like, yo, we want

1148
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 4: him can work out. So Leon called Google State like yo,

1149
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 4: he going to Seattle. He got eight Roger spots, y'all

1150
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 4: saying how good he did down there? He ain't gonna

1151
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 4: make it out of Seattle, so like like, oh give it,

1152
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 4: give it, give us twenty minutes. So he called back

1153
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 4: Leon like, Yo, they just off you a two year dere.

1154
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 3: Two years there. So that's when I signed the Google

1155
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 3: state there.

1156
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 6: So after after this situation in Golden State, how did

1157
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 6: you did you? Did you walk away from that knowing

1158
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 6: or feeling like this could be it for me as

1159
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 6: far as like hooping and how did you feel like

1160
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:49,959
Speaker 6: after the you know, your experience with Golden State.

1161
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 4: I just I thought my body wasn't ready, like like

1162
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 4: I probably need to you know, I shouldn't have came

1163
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 4: back that quick, you know, let it fully recovery.

1164
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 3: Because the problem I was.

1165
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 4: I had like two point four body fat, so I

1166
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 4: was burning all muscles so it was making me like

1167
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 4: dizzy and all I had no fat on me you

1168
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 4: know from the serve.

1169
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 3: It's crazy two yeah, yeah, I remember you.

1170
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 6: Felt like did you so you feel like you just

1171
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 6: need to like like go and get do a resetting

1172
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 6: right and get your Like if I feel like, if

1173
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 6: I give myself fully.

1174
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 4: Right, I think Goodle State should probably really did it.

1175
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 4: Like some research on collided see how they can help me.

1176
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we complaining about that. You know they gave

1177
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 2: us two years guarantees. You know we ain't gonna play.

1178
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 2: If you ain't gonna do your research, we can. I

1179
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 2: mean that you just want to start bench cut You

1180
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 2: gotta start one. I gotta bench one, you gotta cut one.

1181
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 2: So Steph Curry, Kyrie Irving and Alives what man, the

1182
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 2: start one?

1183
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 1: You got a bitch one you got And you know

1184
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 1: I'm concerned with the I know we started. Look, look

1185
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 1: my h.

1186
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 3: I love I love step Different Different, like.

1187
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 4: I can't go against my old head, can't go I

1188
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 4: can never see nobody better than I talked.

1189
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 3: You can't never seen. And Kyrie Different and he from

1190
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 3: Jersey and from.

1191
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 2: Jerseys man likes.

1192
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 1: Do cut.

1193
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 3: Got that stuff?

1194
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 1: You cut up.

1195
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 3: Different?

1196
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 1: This was this is what I wanted.

1197
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 6: I think I've been I've been interested in this question

1198
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 6: ever since he talked about you in high school. Like

1199
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 6: in high school you had the whole you piece. He said,

1200
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 6: you piece. I'm like thinking he was gonna have like

1201
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 6: a d or your numbers and he said this whole

1202
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 6: Jersey with my breath. So this what I won't know

1203
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 6: when you got that bag, when you got to the league.

1204
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 6: I ain't talking about you know, we all take care

1205
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 6: of moms or pops or family. What I'm talking about,

1206
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 6: what did the wantee do for you? Now I know

1207
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 6: you kind of under under the rate. That's a good question.

1208
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 6: What did you do that you thought was like stuntastic

1209
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 6: to you? Was it a was it a piece of jewelry?

1210
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 1: Was it a car?

1211
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 6: Was it what did you do some type of materialistic thing?

1212
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 6: What did you do to splurge upon yourself? Treat yourself?

1213
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 3: It was a car? Six hundred bens, six hundred bens.

1214
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 6: Likes a fellow Jersey Natives that when you get then

1215
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 6: was it?

1216
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 1: Was it black? Was it black?

1217
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 3: Is black?

1218
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: My problem?

1219
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 3: Old head Rod Strickland. He let me use his car

1220
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 3: to go to the prom. This is funny. Hold up

1221
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 3: the problem in the league, Steward. I ended up with

1222
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 3: it for like two months. He forgot he let me

1223
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 3: use it.

1224
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 1: To get you. He was looking out for nephew man

1225
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 1: six hon bro.

1226
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 2: He just.

1227
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 5: That's hard right there. I'm hold that joint out for

1228
01:05:58,160 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 5: two months. You ride around the.

1229
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 3: City like, yeah, a good dude.

1230
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 1: Man.

1231
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 3: So I always kept the relationships with Double.

1232
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 6: Bad and.

1233
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 3: It's crazy.

1234
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 4: Now you've got your son, my son in good hands, man,

1235
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 4: and I could just be a parent because these these

1236
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:24,920
Speaker 4: are people you know, my my parents trusted when I

1237
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 4: was coming.

1238
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 1: Up, man, and.

1239
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 4: Everything went like with the basketball part, man, they kept

1240
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 4: all the boys, you know something, My grandmam, my dad,

1241
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 4: my Steppap, my uncle. It was a team, man, all

1242
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 4: my uncles, all my uncles.

1243
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 1: You know.

1244
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 3: Just my health went well, that's the only thing that

1245
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 3: you know.

1246
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 4: Sometimes like I'm cool with my career because it probably

1247
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:54,919
Speaker 4: a sign for me to be home with my son.

1248
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, real talk, so yeah, you know,

1249
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 2: like trust me, I go over it. I'm cool with it,

1250
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, because I feel like I

1251
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 2: could have did way you know what, I want, what

1252
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 2: I really wanted to. But I'm cool with it, man,

1253
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:11,720
Speaker 2: just to be the opportunity to be that that five

1254
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:13,480
Speaker 2: thousand that actually got that.

1255
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 1: But I do.

1256
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 2: And then for people to even appreciate what I have

1257
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 2: brought to the table, you know what I'm saying. So

1258
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 2: you know, I'm definitely you over here. Just I want

1259
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 2: you to appreciate you.

1260
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 1: Bro.

1261
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't fir believe, but everything happening, you know,

1262
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 6: the way it's supposed to. And for a reason, I

1263
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 6: feel like for each of us, you know all you know,

1264
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 6: all of us, we could look and say, oh, we

1265
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,680
Speaker 6: could have did, but I feel like everything went the

1266
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 6: way it was supposed to for us to be able to,

1267
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 6: you know, be what we are in life today and

1268
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 6: be right here because otherwise, you know, like I always,

1269
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 6: I used to always.

1270
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 1: Say I should have left out my freshman year. No,

1271
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 1: I shouldn't.

1272
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 6: I should live right when I left, because this is

1273
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 6: supposed to go the way it was supposed to go.

1274
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:57,440
Speaker 1: There, So you need because you wouldn't have made it

1275
01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 1: without me, brod.

1276
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 6: Don't God, don't don't make no mistakes, and you feel me,

1277
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 6: I wouldn't be here with this, with this.

1278
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 1: I left my freshman year. He would have still been

1279
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 1: in college.

1280
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 6: I mean, he would have still been in high school

1281
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:17,639
Speaker 6: and not even able to come out here we are today,

1282
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 6: knucklehead up sitting here with.

1283
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 3: My dog wan.

1284
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 1: Y'all.

1285
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 3: Man, y'all, that's why I said, I ain't. I don't

1286
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:28,679
Speaker 3: be doing this type of stuff.

1287
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 2: Man.

1288
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 3: I let him know.

1289
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 4: Man, it's my son turn. I don't want to take

1290
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 4: nothing away from him, you know what I'm saying.

1291
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 3: Let him do his thing.

1292
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:40,719
Speaker 6: You hop out and put you on this play before

1293
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:42,680
Speaker 6: it would come all about him. Let you get your

1294
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 6: flowers because you deserve the man, and you deserve them

1295
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:47,719
Speaker 6: for how you doing with your son too, man, because

1296
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:50,800
Speaker 6: this is like like's it's up to us to bring

1297
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 6: him up the right way because we know what it is.

1298
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 1: And and it's good that you.

1299
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 6: Identifying all of the social media suckers ship and you

1300
01:08:57,640 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 6: keeping that away from your son and you trying to

1301
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 6: bring up like a real man.

1302
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 1: I definitely salute. It's tough.

1303
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 6: It's tough to have your son really not engaging that

1304
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 6: when that's all everybody his age do. So I mean

1305
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 6: for you to for you to be putting that into

1306
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:13,720
Speaker 6: him and and building them out let that way. Man,

1307
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 6: that's that's real right there.

1308
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 3: I appreciate it, yo.

1309
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:21,720
Speaker 6: Man, that's a rap man. This has been dope. We

1310
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 6: got my main man Waggy in this piece. Man.

1311
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, this legendary right here, like for real.

1312
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 6: We felt like the basketball community needed to hear this

1313
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 6: and needed to know what was going on with.

1314
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 1: My player partner. And we appreciate you for sliding through. Man.

1315
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 1: We know this ain't what you do.

1316
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 6: We know you did it because you got this relationship

1317
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 6: with me more and so though than D Males. We

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