1 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. My name 2 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick, and it's Saturday. 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: Time for an episode from the Vault. This one was 4 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 1: Invention of the Chainsaw, Part one, so seasonally appropriate for October. 5 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:26,479 Speaker 1: It originally published last year on October twenty six. That so, 6 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: let's let's pull that rip chord and get a reven up. 7 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind, production of My 8 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 9 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick, and 10 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: today we're going to be looking at an invention. This 11 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: will be one of our invention episodes. And Rob, I 12 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: think this is an idea we've been kicking around at 13 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: least for a couple of years now, and it's finally happening. 14 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: That's right. We've been talking talking about doing the Invention 15 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 1: of the chainsaw for Halloween ever since we were doing 16 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:10,199 Speaker 1: actual invention podcast episodes in a separate podcast feed. Um. 17 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: Because the chainsaw, for all its merits as a useful tool, 18 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: is also heavily associated with horror. I noticed something about 19 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: the chainsaw, which is that it has a even just 20 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: the evocation of the concept feels kind of obscene, Like 21 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: when I make reference to the idea of the Texas 22 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: Chainsaw Massacre, even apart from any knowledge of the contents 23 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: of the movie, just the fact that it involves a 24 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 1: chainsaw feels like I'm talking about something that maybe shouldn't 25 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: be mentioned. Does that make any sense? Yeah? Yeah, I 26 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: mean we'll get more into like what the chainsaw is 27 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: and what it comes to symbolize, particularly in American culture. 28 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: I found a great source on that. I'm not not 29 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: sure where where where we'll get into that in the discussion. 30 00:01:55,800 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: But if you just tackle the the invention from you know, 31 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: just look at the name of of the tool chain saw. 32 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: You know, you're a combination of two already kind of 33 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: repellent or potentially repellent uh classifications of thing. One is 34 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: used sometimes to restrain or to uh you know, to 35 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 1: to bind, to weigh down, and the other is used 36 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 1: to to sever and to cut, and now they're they've 37 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: come together into one item. Uh So, just on a 38 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: you know, almost like a you know, a very basement 39 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: level of our linguistic processing, it's already a kind of 40 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: repellent concept as and also the fact that it is. 41 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: We talk about the blade of the chainsaw, it is 42 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: it is a blade that that cuts, even if your 43 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: intent to cut is not you know, like it you 44 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: technically don't have to really bear down too hard to 45 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: do damage with the chainsaw. So it feels almost like 46 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: it is uh embodying some of these ideas of like 47 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: the sword that wants to cut, the sword that wants 48 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: to drink and consume. Yeah, it has an inherent danger, 49 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: like it suggests that not much force need be applied 50 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: by the person wielding it, that it has a cutting 51 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: mind of its own. In fact, I think, though it 52 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: doesn't really conjure the same grizzliness, you could accomplish the 53 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: same kind of threat by calling it something like the 54 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: Texas lightsaber massacre. Well yeah, uh yeah, yeah, yeah. I 55 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 1: mean when we're talking to just about like, yeah, the 56 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: there is a certain amount of similarity there the lightsaber, yeah, 57 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: not necessarily requiring a lot of force to to do damage, 58 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: to do a body um and then at the same 59 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: time being being fairly dangerous to wield to the person 60 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: wielding it because that it literally cuts both ways. There. Now, 61 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: one of the big reasons of course that we associate 62 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: The Chainsaw with Horror is the N four film by 63 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: Toby Hooper, which centered around a family of Texas cannibals, 64 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: including their face, who runs them up with a chainsaw. 65 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: Though it will be clear, and this is something that 66 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: I think is sometimes lost on folks who maybe haven't 67 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: seen the original film or haven't seen it in a while, 68 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: um or if only absorbed Texas Chainsaw Masker through like 69 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: the public consciousness, because it's become one of those films 70 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: where you don't really have to to have seen it 71 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: to have some idea of what it is. But Leatherface 72 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: only murders one person with a chainsaw. You wouldn't know 73 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: that if you only knew Texas Chainsaw Masker from playing 74 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 1: the Atari game. Oh yeah, I have not, do you? 75 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: Does does leather Face uh kill a lot of people 76 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: with the chainsaw on that No, it's just a sort 77 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: of clump of relatively large pixels that move around on 78 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: a screen with sort of a barn background. From what 79 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: I recall, it's been a long time, So that's the 80 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 1: only media from the TC and franchise that you have 81 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: engaged with. You're gonna have a very limited understanding. I 82 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 1: think you may get some sort of beeps and boops 83 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 1: computer sounds, uh, simulating the chainsaw noise. But again I'm 84 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: a little fuzzy on that. Yeah. So, and then the 85 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: original leather Face only uses it as a murder weapon once. Uh. 86 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 1: He uses it in another case to dismember what is 87 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: either a corpse or a common hose individual. I can't 88 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: remember which. Um. I think he may be dead at 89 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: that point when he cuts him up, because most of 90 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: the other killing that occurs in the film is there 91 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: are other implements that are used, especially the hammer. That's 92 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: the one they talk about. The hammer is is best. 93 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and I think certainly for the most shocking 94 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 1: attack in the movie, when like he suddenly pops out 95 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 1: from behind that sliding metal door, which is just oh god, 96 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: just thinking about that gives me a shiver now. Um. 97 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: But one of the other weird things about the chainsaw is, 98 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: as we'll discuss in this episode about the history of 99 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 1: this piece of technology in nineteen seventy four, at the 100 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 1: time this movie was made, the widespread use of gas 101 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: powered chainsaws was actually fairly recent. I mean, this was 102 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: a technology again that had been around in some sort 103 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: of prototype form for a long time. But the widespread 104 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: use was within living memory. It had only been the 105 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 1: norm m in logging for maybe a couple of decades. Yeah, 106 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 1: and that's I think that's that's that's key to keep 107 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: in mind. Um. And then, like I said, I have 108 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: I have a wonderful sore son on some of this later, 109 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: Like the cultural idea of the chainsaw is very much 110 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: this this twentieth century adaptation. But um, as far as 111 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: just chainsaws and horror movies go, I was looking into 112 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: this little bit because I knew some of the precursors here, 113 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: but I wasn't familiar with all of them. But believe 114 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: it or not, Texas Chainsaw Massacre seventy four was not 115 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: the first genre film to feature a bloody chainsaw. Uh. 116 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: Film historians often point to a pair of different key 117 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: for runners nineteen sixty eight, Dark of the Sun in 118 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, the Wizard of Gore. Now, were you familiar 119 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: with Dark of the Sounja? No, I did not know 120 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: this one, though I do know about Wizard of Gore. Okay, 121 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: Well we'll start with Dark of the Sun, just very briefly. 122 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 1: Dark of the Sun, which I have not seen, was 123 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: an adventure film about mercenary areas during the Congo Crisis 124 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: of sixty through Nive, which by the way, is also 125 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: the setting of Warren Zevon's supernatural ballad rolling the headless 126 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: Thompson Gunner. In this film, though Peter Cartson plays a 127 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: German mercenary, is like, I think he's the villain of 128 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: the piece. And at one point he's in this fight 129 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: with our hero played by Rod Taylor both mercenaries, and 130 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: the German mercenary grabs a chainsaw, so we have a 131 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: fight featuring a chainsaw, and the chainsaw was heavily featured 132 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: in the both the trailer and the poster for this film. Now, 133 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: I wonder if it's significant that he's a German mercenary 134 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,239 Speaker 1: grabbing a chainsaw because some of the big early manufacturers 135 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: of chainsaws were German firms, like like Steel. It's possible. 136 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: The other film, The Wizard of Gore, this is a 137 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: far more notorious film that I think a lot of 138 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: horror buffs might at least have some um knowledge of. 139 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: Seventy splatter film by Schlock Legend Herschel Gordon Lewis about 140 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: Montag the Magnificent, who in one scene cuts a woman 141 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: in half with a chainsaw. It's like a magic act, 142 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: except um, he's supposed to actually be cutting somebody in half. 143 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: This is a well known gonzo b horror movie. I 144 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: saw it many years ago, and it might be surprising 145 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: since I love, you know, a good weird be horror movie. 146 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: But I remember not particularly enjoying this film. I think 147 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: it's just mostly about like a magician who who like 148 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: his magic tricks, are that he like kills people. Yeah? Yeah, 149 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 1: it's mostly notable I think for being schlocked. Um. Now 150 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: this next point is interesting as well, when it comes 151 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: to sort of you know that the hard directors of 152 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: this era. We we generally give Toby Hooper all the 153 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: credit for for Texas Chainsaw Massacre, but it's worth noting 154 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: did Wes Craven's notorious nine film The Last House on 155 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 1: the Left also beat Texas Chainsaw Massacre to the punch 156 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: with the chainsaw as horror weapon trope. There's at least 157 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: there's one kill in the film, at least that involves 158 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,719 Speaker 1: a chainsaw. Now that's That's also not a film that 159 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: I've seen, nor one I'm I'm planning to see, but 160 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: I checked in on it and read the synopsis and 161 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: it's like, yep, okay, chainsaw kill, it happened. Now. Texas 162 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: chainsaw Masaker, of course, really just blew the doors off 163 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: for chainsall horror. So in the wake of the first 164 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: Texas chainsaw massacre, we just saw this reinforced time and 165 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: time again. Uh. Certainly by additional Texas chainsaw massacre films, 166 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 1: but also by films and franchises such as The Evil Dead. 167 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: Uh phantasm, especially Phantasm to um. The Doom video games 168 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: are often brought up because you can use a chainsaw 169 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: in those. And we should also give special mention to 170 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: the nineteen eight film Pieces. Uh. This is a Spanish 171 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: chainsaw film from the director of Slugs and the Pod People. 172 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, one Piker Simone. Uh. And I think I've 173 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: seen this one. It's been a long time, but I 174 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: seemed I think I actually saw this one. Uh. And 175 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: I don't think it made a lot of sense at 176 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: the time, but it does feature a chainsaw and a 177 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: chainsaw related plot. Now by mentioning the Evil Dead at least, 178 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: I don't recall the first movie, but I assume this 179 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: is the case. It's definitely the case in the second 180 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: movie that sort of flips the script because In these cases, 181 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: it is not the evil killer, the villain of the movie, 182 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: wielding a chainsaw, but it is the hero of the 183 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: movie facing a bunch of sort of fluid filled demonic 184 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: entities that that must wield the chainsaw and self defense. Right, yeah, 185 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you could make a case. I 186 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: think the last House on the left it's a revenge 187 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: murder that involves the use of a chainsaw, but still 188 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: not quite the same as Ash taking up the chainsaw, 189 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: as like the you know, the Holy weapon against the 190 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: dead eyes, right, this is what will unleash the green 191 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: goop from the from the demons. Now, I know what 192 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: a lot of you are probably wondering at this point. 193 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 1: You're saying, thinking, well, this is all fiction, but how 194 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: how often is the chainsaw actually used as a lethal instrument? 195 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: And how frequently? Oh good lord, is that what we're wondering? Well, 196 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: I was wondering it. Okay, no, no, it's a fair 197 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: thing to wonder. Well, I think I there was. I 198 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: remember when I was first sort of getting more well, 199 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, I was first getting into it. I 200 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: was getting into horror a bit more in the mid nineties, 201 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: and there was a chainsaw murder uh in the state 202 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: of Tennessee. I remember making the headlines. Yeah, so that 203 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: might have you know. I think that was even at 204 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: the time, I was like, oh, wow, this really happens. 205 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 1: There are actual chainsaw maskers, I guess from time to time. Um, 206 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: So I was looking into into this a little bit. 207 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 1: And so for starters, there are a few obvious things 208 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: about the chainsaw. Chainsaws are dangerous tools, and you should 209 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: all and they should always be used with care and caution. 210 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 1: Those chainsaws that haunted attractions, they are chainless, or they 211 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: certainly should be chainless. Um And I've often wondered, though, 212 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 1: could you just get rid of the chainless chainsaw entirely 213 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 1: and have the the guys that the haunted attractions just 214 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: chase people around with leafblowers instead. I guess that that 215 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: raises the question is it important to see it or 216 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: is it important just to hear it. I have been here, 217 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: it's hearing it. I barely see the chainsaw. If it's 218 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 1: leather face at the haunted attraction chasing you around with 219 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: a leaf blower or just a motor of some sort, 220 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: wouldn't that work? I have been chased by a chainsaw 221 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: multiple times through I think a haunted corn field and 222 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: some haunted woods. Uh, I don't know. It's it's fun 223 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: to run from a chainsaw as long as you know 224 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: that it's not actually gonna hurt you. But yeah, I 225 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: guess it's a pretty simple thing, though. I wonder I've 226 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: thought about this before. So you take the chain off 227 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: to render it harmless. It's just, you know, it's just 228 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: the bar there doesn't actually have a cutting edge, and 229 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,319 Speaker 1: the motor is running without the chain. I wonder from 230 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: a maintenance point of view, is that bad for the saw? 231 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: Is that going to burn out the motor if there's 232 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: no chain on there? I wish I thought I could 233 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 1: have checked in with our contacts that Another world in 234 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: Atlanta and asked them, well, because I went this year 235 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: and they had three chainsaws running outside of one house. 236 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: You know, you expect one, you you you demand one, 237 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: you expect might be a second, but you don't expect three. 238 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,839 Speaker 1: So that that caught me off guard. So one compromise 239 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: position is they could have one chainless chainsaw that you 240 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: can see, and that's enough to scare you, but then 241 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: you hear plenty of leaf blowers after that. That's this 242 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: sounds good. Just leaf blowers in the vicinity. Yeah, so 243 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: I was looking at a couple of sources on this, 244 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: as reported by Cohler at All in Death by Chainsaw 245 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: Fatal kickback Injuries to the Neck in the Journal of 246 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: Forensic Science back in two thousand four. At the time, 247 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: they're reporting the two million new chainsaws were sold each 248 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: year in the United States and this of course would 249 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: augment the exit the number of existing chainsaws already in use, 250 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: and this helped bring about twenty eight thousand chainsaw related 251 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: injuries annually. Again, chainsaws are are dangerous tools. You have 252 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: to use them properly, and even so mishaps can occur. 253 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: But even in the case of tools that require extreme 254 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: caution like this, most of these injuries were not fatal. 255 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: Correct um Accidental chainsaw deaths the road were extremely rare. 256 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:05,319 Speaker 1: Only ten of the cases they were looking at involved 257 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: the head or the neck area, and the rest were 258 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 1: lower extremities or hands. That's where you tend to see 259 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: these injuries. But as the article points out via two 260 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: different case studies of fatal um injuries with chainsaws, kick 261 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: back is the most common cause of injury and one 262 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: of the greatest potential threats that can result than an 263 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: accidental death. Kick Back is when the rotating chain of 264 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: the chainsaw is stopped by contact with a more solid 265 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: area or solid substance or something, you know, and which 266 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: rapidly throws the saw back toward the operator. Right, So 267 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: I'd imagine safety training that you'd go through if you're 268 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: gonna be operating a chainsaw would involve being able to 269 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: sort of predict and guard against this kick back. Yeah. Now, 270 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: I've seen some different numbers as well. Um thing in 271 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: a source that side of the U. S. Bureau of 272 00:14:54,680 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: Labor report from twelve saying that resulted int in chainsaw 273 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: injuries with one thousand, four hundred resulting in quote hospitalization 274 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: or death and that's about four point six percent, and 275 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: we don't know exactly what the fatality percentage of that 276 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: would be. Um Plus, these are all just chainsaw related, 277 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: so I'm assuming they can involve other things as well. 278 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: Like you're using a chainsaw on a ladder and then 279 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: there's kick back, and then you know, someone falls off 280 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: a ladder. Uh, you know that alone could be lethal 281 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: without the chainsaw ever actually touching your body. And there 282 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: may there may be some better numbers out there are 283 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: some more recent numbers, but I think these do illustrate 284 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: a point. Chainsaws can be extremely dangerous or even deadly, 285 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: but fatalities are rare, and when it comes to the 286 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: use in crimes, we're probably best to think back to 287 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: the original Texas chainsaw. Mascre leather Face uses the saw 288 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: to dismember a dead body, but also in one murder. 289 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: So in general, while the chainsaw is menacing and scary, 290 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: it's generally not the most effective weapon available to an individual, uh, 291 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: you know, if they're going to go out and commit murder. 292 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: There is a book that I'm going to reference in 293 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: this episode that that I used as as one of 294 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: my major sources. It's called Chainsaws, a History by David Lee, 295 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: with some input by a chainsaw collector and historian named 296 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: Mike Acres. It's kind of a coffee table book for 297 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: chainsaw obsessives, with lavish photographs of those big, beautiful saws, 298 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: and so this book has a lot of fun in it. 299 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: But one of the things the authors point out in 300 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: the introduction is the chainsaw is actually not an ideal 301 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: weapon for massacres. First of all, because somebody would always 302 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: hear you coming. That's right, um, And sometimes it's hilarious 303 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: in movies where you need a jump scare and they 304 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: orchestrated jump scare with a chainsaw, It's like, how do 305 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: you started that quickly? Yeah? Yeah, wouldn't they need to? 306 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: You'd hear them like pulling the starter chain and stuff. 307 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: There was a video game years and years back called 308 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: Manhunt that uh, the rock Star Games put out, and 309 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: there's an individual that you end up encountering with the chainsaw, 310 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: and I seem to recall that was the case there 311 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: where he would suddenly jump out from behind something at 312 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: you the chainsaw just going full throttle without ever having 313 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: to actually start it. I think more accurate chainsaw enemy 314 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: might be encountered in Resident Evil, for it's a guy 315 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: with a bag on his head who's got a big chainsaw. 316 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: He comes at you, but you get to see him 317 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 1: like starting it up first, he's pulling the chain and 318 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 1: all that, not the chain, the cord, the starter and 319 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: and some movies that's that plays really well because there's this, yeah, 320 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: the revenue. One of the things that's scary about just 321 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 1: the sounds of the chainsaw is that idea that it's 322 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: like it's gaining in intensity and ferocity you know, and 323 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: so first it's starting under and then and then it 324 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: gets you know, just reach just this peak of insanity 325 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: than than Thank so, in the spirit of the season. 326 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 1: Since we're starting off this discussion of talking about horror movies, 327 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: I had to look up what is the actual model 328 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 1: of consumer chainsaw used in the Texas chainsaw massacre. I 329 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: found an answer to this according to the Pennsylvania Lumber 330 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: Museum's website. If I'm ever in town, I'll try to 331 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: make it to that museum. Uh. They claim that the 332 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: filmmakers put a black piece of tape over the brand 333 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: name to hide what it was. But apparently, if you 334 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 1: know your chainsaws, it is clearly visible as a Pooh 335 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: lawn three oh six A and so I pulled up 336 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 1: a screenshot from Texas Chainsaw masker alongside a shot for 337 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: you to look at Rob and I think, yeah, that 338 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: is definitely the same saw. Um. The one thing I 339 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 1: would not have been able to tell you was was 340 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: the answer to the question what color is the chainsaw 341 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: in the original TCM. Uh. My my mind would have 342 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: been like, I don't know, beige. I mean, I guess 343 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: like that's the dominant color scheme of the film is 344 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: beige and sometimes orange. Yes, exactly. So the original the 345 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: film that they used in the Texas Chainsaw Masker looks 346 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: like you can only really reproduce two colors. One is 347 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,360 Speaker 1: the color of sort of orange blood and the other 348 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: is the color of like a rotting bale of hay. 349 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: And so that's what I would have said. But no, 350 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 1: actually it is green. Uh. Strange kind of unusual color 351 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: to to appear in the movie like this, And I 352 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: guess for some reason that just fell out the back 353 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 1: of my mind. But it is a notably green body 354 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 1: around the engine and then a long straight bar and chain. Uh. 355 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 1: And so the Pennsylvania Lumber Museum website rights quote. The 356 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: pool On three oh six A was introduced in nineteen 357 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: seventy in produced until nineteen eighty. The poula On Company 358 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: was founded by lumberjack Claude Poulan in nineteen forty six. 359 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: The company was located in Shreveport, Louisiana, making the three 360 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: oh six A a nice local option for a Texas 361 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: chainsaw massacre. So this would have been a local saw, okay, 362 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: Because I was wondering when you said Poulan, I was 363 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: thinking this a French chainsaw that seems very unlike the 364 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: sawyer clan to to to use an import but I 365 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: didn't think about the possible Cajun connection. They're using Cajun technology, 366 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 1: which certainly makes it a more local option. As for 367 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: actual chainsall murders, I'll just leave everyone else to research 368 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: that that on your own time. There's there are plenty 369 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: of like true crime articles and lists out there that 370 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 1: have more information on all this, and you know, it's 371 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 1: all depressing stuff. But I did find it interesting that, uh, 372 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: that sometimes there's kind of a fetishizing of the chainsaw 373 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 1: even in this kind of in these kind of articles, 374 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 1: in this kind of coverage, I found one that you 375 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: talked about chainsaws as as as allowing um killing or 376 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: murder to take place quote on an industrial scale, which 377 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: is a description that that is. But I feel is 378 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: both right and wrong because on one level, I agree 379 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: with that, you know, like we're talking about the lightsaber principle, 380 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: you know that the machine is doing some of the 381 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: work for you that you know it's an industrialization of 382 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: doing what a blade would do. But on the other hand, 383 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: I feel like if you're talking about murder on an 384 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: industrial scale, really, if you're if you're folk sing on 385 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: the chainsaw and ignoring firearms and explosives in that discussion, 386 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: and you're completely off, like like, I think firearms are 387 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: the are the true uh innovation that allows murder on 388 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 1: an industrial scale. Yeah, And the words scale there would 389 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: imply like actual numbers of cases, which, as you were saying, 390 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,479 Speaker 1: is not particularly the case, though I can see, of 391 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: course the idea. I mean, it's what is again scary 392 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: about the concept of the Texas chainsaw mask or it 393 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: is the mechanization of violence, the sort of adding adding 394 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: the uh, the internal combustion engine or the electric motor 395 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: to the to the to the murderer's agenda. Yeah. But 396 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: at the same time, it kind of coming back to 397 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 1: the impracticality of the chainsaw as a weapon, Like maybe 398 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: that's one of the comforting things about this and other slashers. 399 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: It's like, oh, they use impractical weapons. They these killers 400 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: love to kill. But we'll probably hear them come in 401 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: or have a good we'll have a better chance at 402 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: outrunning them or somehow how smarting them if they insist 403 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: on using their these ludicrous killing techniques. I suspect that 404 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 1: leather Face has not read his Poulan three oh six 405 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,120 Speaker 1: a safety manual and is not following proper safety procedure. 406 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: I don't think you're supposed to run with the chainsaw revving. Hey, 407 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: he pays for it, doesn't he consequences for that kind 408 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: of recklessness? Yeah? Okay, Well, I guess we should turn 409 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: to discuss the invention of the chainsaw itself. And one 410 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: thing we always like to do when we talk about 411 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: an invention is to talk about what came before, what 412 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: was the state of affairs that this invention had to 413 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: come into to introduce new capabilities. And though chainsaws can have, 414 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: of course many uses, there primarily today associated with logging. 415 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: So I thought it would be good to start with 416 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: a look at logging before the chainsaw. So a few 417 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: notes on logging terminology. I had to get this stuff 418 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: straightened out so I would understand what say this this 419 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: book by David Lee and Mike Acres was talking about 420 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 1: in other sources I was looking at on the internet. So, um, 421 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,919 Speaker 1: so logging involves more just the process of cutting down 422 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 1: an upright tree. The term for cutting down an upright 423 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: tree at the base I've seen referred to as felling 424 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: or falling a tree. But it doesn't stop there. You've 425 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: also got the process of limbing, which is very important. 426 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 1: That's removing limbs from either a felled tree trunk or 427 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: a or a tree trunk while it's still standing. And 428 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: then this is a big part of the business. There's 429 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: what's known as bucking. This is cutting a felled tree 430 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: into logs of a specified length. And one reason it's 431 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: important to call it the difference early on between felling 432 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 1: and bucking is that when you imagine performing these two tasks, 433 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: the saw has to be oriented in a different direction 434 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: for each one. So when you're felling a tree, the 435 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: saw has to go horizontally through the tree when it's upright. 436 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 1: When you're bucking a tree to cut it into logs 437 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: of a specified length, you need to go up and down. 438 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: It's a vertical cutting. This is, uh you know, pretty 439 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: easy to do with a modern chainsaw, which is handheld 440 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: and very maneuverable. But if you were to imagine, say 441 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 1: an earlier age, where people were trying to use um bulkier, 442 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: more complex machinery that that had more moving parts and 443 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 1: was harder to move around, maybe something you couldn't hold 444 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,479 Speaker 1: with just one person's arm strength, then the difference between 445 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 1: felling and bucking becomes very significant. Now. Of course, even 446 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,199 Speaker 1: after that, after you've got a bucked piece of raw timber, Uh, 447 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: there's more work to do with the sawing. Of course, 448 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: you can maybe split that log into lengthwise wedges, say 449 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: for firewood, or you can do hewing, which is taking 450 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: a bucked log and cutting it to have flat surfaces 451 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: for use in building. Though hewing is a sort of 452 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 1: archaic term that I think refers to a process in 453 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: which you might use like an axe. And then of 454 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: course they're sawing a bucked log into pieces of flat 455 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: lumber that might be shipped or or immediately used in 456 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: some way. Uh. There's another wonderful term that I came 457 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: across that I never knew before, and that term is 458 00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: curf k e r f uh Rob. Maybe you knew 459 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: this word, but I did not. It's a word, Yeah, 460 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: I I always you needed a word for this, and 461 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: I didn't know what it was. A curve is the 462 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: cut that is made while you're sawing something. So it's 463 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: that it's that unfinished cut through the wood. And and sometimes, uh, say, 464 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: cutting down a tree will involve things that you have 465 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: to do to the curve, for example, hammering a wedge 466 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: into the curve to help make sure that the tree 467 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: is bending in the right way and that it's not 468 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: closing in on your saw and binding it. And one 469 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: of the things that's been most interesting to me about 470 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: about researching this is the surprising fact that well into 471 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: the twentieth century, the most common tools for sawing and 472 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 1: bucking wood were manually powered tools. So even you know, 473 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 1: within the memory of people who are alive today, the 474 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: most common tools you would find used in logging would 475 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: be the axe, the wedge, the springboard, and the springboard 476 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,479 Speaker 1: by the way, that this is an interesting device. This 477 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: is a thing where you would sort of like cut 478 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: a little uh notch into a tree, and you would 479 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: put a board up on the tree so you could 480 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: stand on it in order to better cut the trunk. 481 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 1: So it's like not having to chop at the area 482 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 1: that's wider around the roots. Right. Yeah, so you could 483 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: sort of position your body for for cutting or sawing 484 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: higher up. But oh, but I didn't get to the 485 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 1: to the last thing, which was by far, I think 486 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: the most important of all these tools. It was the 487 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: hand powered saw, and for large trees this was often 488 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 1: the famous two man saw, known colloquially as the misery whip, 489 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,360 Speaker 1: which in the felling of larger trees, could be more 490 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: than ten ft long with a handle at each end. 491 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: So this would be worked by two sawyers, each pulling 492 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 1: from their side, just taking turns going back and forth 493 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 1: to take down a redwood or you know whatever, giant tree. 494 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: A lot of this logging was especially taking place up 495 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: in the Pacific Northwest ESTs. A lot of the sawing 496 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: innovations happened in places like Oregon, but you can imagine 497 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: the giant trees there and two guys with a with 498 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: a tin foot long cross cut saw, one handle at 499 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,679 Speaker 1: each end, and they're just working themselves to death on 500 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: this trunk. I feel like my my, my earliest and 501 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: still clearest, like mental images of this particular type of 502 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: saw comes from watching cartoons. I can't remember. It was 503 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: like it was like Loony Tunes or Disney, you know, 504 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: it was Chipmunks or whatever, But I remember like cartoon depictions. 505 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: It might even been like Woody Woodpeck or something. I 506 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: don't know, but there were cartoon depictions of people using 507 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: these saws and things getting out of control and the 508 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 1: saw like bunching up or pulling someone through the um 509 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 1: what through the curve if you will. Yeah, I mean 510 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 1: some of the photographs you see of logging sites at 511 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: this time, with people, you know, posing with their misery 512 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 1: whips and their axes and everything, they look like something 513 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 1: straight out of a car tune. I've attached a couple 514 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: of pictures for you to look at here. Rob One 515 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 1: is a photo from circa nineteen o six, which is 516 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: a couple of guys or three guys in the middle 517 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: of cutting down a gigantic tree looks like it could 518 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,679 Speaker 1: be a redwood. I think this was a photo taken 519 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 1: somewhere in the state of Washington. And uh and one 520 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 1: guy is so they've they've cut It's not just a 521 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: flat curve. They've cut a wedge out of the tree, 522 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 1: I think, to help it fall in the right direction 523 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,959 Speaker 1: when they when they finally get all the way through it, 524 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: and one of the loggers is just lying down inside 525 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: the wedge on this giant tree incredibly dangerously. I mean, 526 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: one assumes they knew what they were doing and that 527 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: this was a safe time to climb into the you know, 528 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: the death zone for a photo. But I also found 529 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: an awesome picture of a misery whip in use from 530 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: a photo on the website of a local history museum 531 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: in Hood River County, Oregon. Uh So, Rob, if you, 532 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: if you just take a look at this beast for 533 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: a moment, it looks like a still from an upcoming 534 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: Robert Egger's movie, you know, would be the follow up 535 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: to The Lighthouse. It's about some kind of romantic shenanigans 536 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: between a logger and a beast of the forest. And 537 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,959 Speaker 1: uh this picture though, one of the things that were 538 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: saying on the website is it might well be kind 539 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: of posed for maximum effect. But it has two guys too, 540 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: very uh surly looking fellas on each side of a 541 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: misery whip. And then in the foreground there's a shotgun 542 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: and then a bottle of clear liquid and then multiple 543 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: axes one act just like sunk into the tree, sticking 544 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: out of it. It's pretty awesome. Yeah, And the guy 545 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: on the left, he looks a little bit like the 546 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: p coach from the TV show ap Bio. Oh I 547 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: haven't seen that. Yeah, that's good. Well, yeah, I mean, 548 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: speaking of physical education, I think these guys would be 549 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: candidates for the President's Physical Fitness award, because wow, I 550 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: mean imagining the physical exertion that goes in to sawing 551 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: down just tree after tree all day long with these 552 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: hand powered crosscut saws, It's it's kind of hard to fathom. Yeah, indeed, 553 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 1: and in grueling work, and then all the the the 554 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: hazards that would be present in the job just but 555 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: you know, by virtue of using these tools, but also 556 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: by felling trees which are inherently dangerous themselves. And one 557 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: of the things that is pointed out in in Chainsaws, 558 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: a History that this book by Lee Um is that 559 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: again well into the twentieth century, most log working out 560 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: in the woods at least was done by these human 561 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: powered tools the acts the hand saw, the crosscut saw, 562 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: or the misery whip, and these tools could basically get 563 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: every job done. It wasn't like there were uber trees 564 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: that could not be cut down by conventional hand powered technology, 565 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: and you know, you couldn't cut them down and cut 566 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: them up until you had a chainsaw. But but the 567 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: issue is that it's this absolutely grueling physical labor that 568 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: took time and was hard on the bodies of workers. 569 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: So obviously, once the industrial revolution comes around, there would 570 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: be people turning their minds to the question of is 571 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: there any way to make the job of felling and 572 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: bucking trees faster or easier? And it turns out that 573 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: even though there were no modern chainsaws and exactly the 574 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: form we think of for felling in bucking wood until 575 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: the twentieth century, there were some very weird and interesting 576 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: inventions in the eighteen hundreds trending in that direction. So, 577 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: for example, one design that Lee brings up is this 578 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: kind of giant cog wheel. It looks in the in 579 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: the illustrations like a big metal collar that fits around 580 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: the trunk of a tree. And then inside this metal 581 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: collar there is a cutting blade that is dragged around 582 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: the outside of the tree in a circular motion, powered 583 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: by a hand crank. Um. I couldn't find any pictures online, 584 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: but there is a picture in the book I was 585 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: looking at, and uh, it's very Clive Barker. It's like 586 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: a torture device for wood. What also brings to mind 587 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: the film Robot Jocks that we talked about on Weird 588 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: How Cinema. There's a saw very much like this, excepted 589 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: like a sci fi variation of it that one of 590 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: the Giant Max used against the other. Oh yeah, I 591 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: forgot about that. Lee also mentions that there is a U. S. 592 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: Patent for something called a saw chain in the year 593 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: eighteen fifty eight, but without any method for powering the 594 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: rapid movement of the chain, so it didn't really offer 595 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: any advantage at the time. But then it gets to 596 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: something really interesting. So Lee's examples of these these pre 597 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: chainsaw powered saw ideas included, much to my interest, reference 598 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: to a passage in the War of the Worlds by H. G. Wells. 599 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: And this would have been published in eighteen seven, so 600 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: this again long predates the modern chainsaw. And so I 601 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: looked up the context so I could I could read 602 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: this whole passage from the War of the World's describing 603 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: an industrially powered saw. It goes like this, the narrators 604 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: describing fleeing from the Martian invasion and uh and he says, 605 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: we went down the lane by the body of the 606 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 1: man in black sodden now from overnight hail, and broke 607 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: into the woods at the foot of the hill. We 608 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: pushed through these towards the railway without meeting a soul. 609 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,959 Speaker 1: The woods across the line were but the scarred and 610 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: blackened ruins of woods. For the most part the trees 611 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: had fallen, but a certain proportion still stood, dismal gray 612 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: stems with dark brown foliage instead of green. On our side, 613 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,959 Speaker 1: the fire had done no much more than scorched the 614 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: nearer trees. It had failed to secure its footing. In 615 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: one place, the woodman had been at work on Saturday. 616 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: Trees felled and freshly trimmed lay in a clearing with 617 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: heaps of sawdust by the sawing machine and its engine. 618 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: Hard By was a temporary hut deserted. There was not 619 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: a breath of wind this morning, and everything was strangely still. 620 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: Even the birds were hushed. And as we hurried along, 621 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: Eye and the artilleryman talked in whispers and looked now 622 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: and again over our shoulders. Once or twice we stopped 623 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: to listen. So uh, this again makes reference to a 624 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 1: sawing machine that would have been used by the woodman 625 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: who are cutting down the trees. And it's interesting that 626 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: I think Wells is sort of drawing a contrast of 627 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 1: the two types of technology. Here on one side of 628 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: the road the forest is just absolutely annihilated by the fires, 629 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,840 Speaker 1: I believe caused by by something from the Martian invasion. 630 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 1: I would assume it was the heat ray or some 631 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: other kind of damage they've done. But then on the 632 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: other side there is this this partial clearing made by 633 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 1: the human woodman and their sawing machine, which I guess 634 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 1: Wells may have seen as one, you know, sort of 635 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: peak pinnacle technology of humankind at the time, but it 636 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: can't compete with the destruction caused by the Martians. And 637 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 1: so the question is what is this sawing machine that 638 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 1: he makes reference to? Well According to Lee, this is 639 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,919 Speaker 1: not a sci fi invention of Wells imagination, but very 640 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 1: likely a reference to a nineteenth century steam powered saw 641 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,760 Speaker 1: known as a Ransom r A N s O m E. 642 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 1: And it's named after its creator, an English inventor named 643 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 1: a Ransom Uh and it abuted in the year eighteen sixty. 644 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 1: And so it's it goes something like this. You would 645 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: have a central wood fired steam boiler, and then from 646 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: the steam boiler you would have pressure hoses leading out 647 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 1: to the saws. So you know, the steam powers the 648 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 1: pressure in the hose, and then each saw would have 649 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 1: a single cylinder motor, and the piston in this cylinder 650 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 1: would power a reciprocating saw blade and so that's important 651 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 1: to note that this is not like a chainsaw with 652 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: a chain continuously going around in one direction. It's a 653 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,360 Speaker 1: reciprocating saw blade like you would use with like a 654 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 1: hand saws. It's moving back and forth with a solid 655 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: blade surface. Better than hand sawing, I'm sure, or at 656 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: least easier. But the ransom was used for logging in 657 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: Europe and in Africa around around the turn of the 658 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 1: twentieth century. But Lee notes that even if you take 659 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,959 Speaker 1: away the central boiler which is necessary for it to work, 660 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 1: and all the hoses and all the possible accessories, just 661 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,280 Speaker 1: the saw, just each saw, all on its own, connected 662 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 1: to the central boiler, would weigh six hundred pounds or 663 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 1: two hundred seventy and the the central boiler supplying the 664 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 1: steam power was also gigantic. It had to be transported 665 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,760 Speaker 1: on a horse drawn platform, and of course the boiler 666 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: required water and fuel, which you probably needed to source 667 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,360 Speaker 1: on site. So you can imagine how much more difficult 668 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 1: this is than the the you know, light portable handheld 669 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: chainsaws of today. This, this is this is a whole apparatus, 670 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 1: but I do love the vision of it. I mean, 671 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,439 Speaker 1: this is like something out of a steampunk nightmare. Yeah, 672 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 1: I mean, in a way, this reminds me of some 673 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 1: of the design challenges and some of the reasons that 674 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: we ended up getting the armored tank, you know, because 675 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 1: it's one thing to have the gun. Uh, it's one 676 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,759 Speaker 1: thing to have the saw, But then how are you 677 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,400 Speaker 1: going to get it where you need to use it? 678 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 1: How you know, how are you going to transport it 679 00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 1: across difficult terrain? And so I mean in in the 680 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 1: case of the gun, well, if you're talking about a 681 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: large piece of artillery, you do generally have no other 682 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 1: choice but to figure out how to how to build 683 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: up the machinery around it, how to to make it mobile, 684 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 1: figure out what sort of wheels or tracks are necessary. 685 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: But with the chainsaw, if I mean with the powered 686 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 1: saw anyway, Um, if you could make it smaller and 687 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 1: you know, and and still work, if you could, you could, 688 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 1: you could you could somehow m reduce the need for 689 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,799 Speaker 1: for some sort of animal power or or some sort 690 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 1: of extravagant machine power being necessary to move it. Uh, 691 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 1: then that would solve so many of your problems. Yeah, 692 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 1: that's exactly right. And I think this is a problem 693 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 1: that's much bigger than just the chainsaw. The chainsaw is 694 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,320 Speaker 1: one example of the many different kinds of technology that 695 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 1: would be revolutionized by power sources and motors and engines 696 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,360 Speaker 1: becoming smaller and more portable, especially in the early twentieth 697 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,360 Speaker 1: century as as we had better like electric motors, and 698 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 1: then later in the twentieth century as the as the 699 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 1: size and format of internal combustion engines got got smaller 700 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 1: and more manageable, especially like into the nineteen forties and 701 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:19,359 Speaker 1: so thank But there's another thing that's important here, which 702 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 1: is that Lee mentions that these powered saw inventions of 703 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 1: the time are pretty much all still rooted in thinking 704 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: about sawing in the reciprocating format, that is sawing with 705 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 1: back and forth motion, which again, if you think about 706 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 1: it for a second, modern chainsaws don't do that. They 707 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:39,280 Speaker 1: diverge from the back and forth reciprocating motion. Chainsaws apply 708 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: the removal surface drag in one continuous direction rather than 709 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 1: going back and forth. And there are some advantages to 710 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 1: that that I'll get into in just a minute. But 711 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 1: given the the importance of the misery whip, and it 712 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 1: makes sense right to imagine, well, if if we could 713 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,839 Speaker 1: mechanize this, what would we do yes, could we take 714 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: the misery whip and create a machine? They uses it 715 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 1: for us. Yeah, And this is something that seems to 716 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,919 Speaker 1: be the case throughout a lot of the early years 717 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 1: of development of power saws. Is they're just taking the 718 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 1: idea of a hand powered saw and then saying can 719 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,840 Speaker 1: we make this electrically powered or say gasoline powered or 720 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,920 Speaker 1: something in and but without changing anything about the blade 721 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 1: or how it works, just changing how the power or 722 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 1: force is applied. And actually it will be changes in 723 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 1: on on both sides that give us the ultimate modern chainsaw. 724 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,040 Speaker 1: So really, when you think about it, the modern chainsaw 725 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:34,360 Speaker 1: involves two important technological components that would make it different 726 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,840 Speaker 1: than what came before. One of them is the small scale, 727 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 1: portable power source and motor, and the other one is 728 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 1: the one directional cutting chain. Um. So what are some 729 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,359 Speaker 1: of the early examples trending in these two directions? Well, 730 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 1: le lists a few more things that I thought were interesting, um, 731 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 1: including one thing that sounds like a total terror. But so, 732 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 1: first of all, he mentions that in eight there was 733 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 1: an inventor in Oregon who got patent for something called 734 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,400 Speaker 1: a quote sawing chain and frame, but there's no evidence 735 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 1: it was ever produced, so this could be one of 736 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,400 Speaker 1: those sort of uh, non viable prototypes of something that 737 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 1: would later work. And then in nineteen o five there's 738 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,800 Speaker 1: a business called the Ashland Iron Works, also in Oregon 739 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 1: that manufactured an early pneumatic chainsaw, but apparently this saw 740 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,399 Speaker 1: very little pick up in the market. Uh. The same year, 741 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 1: in nineteen o five, a gasoline powered chainsaw was demonstrated 742 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 1: in Eureka, California, and Lee describes it as follows, quote 743 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 1: driven by a two cylinder water cooled engine, the machine 744 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,200 Speaker 1: drew its fuel and water supply from tanks that were 745 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,360 Speaker 1: nailed to the tree trunk above it and quote removed 746 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 1: when the tree was about to go over. Oh my god. 747 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,279 Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's without even having all the details about 748 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,240 Speaker 1: humans interacted with it. With this thing that sounds devastatingly dangerous. 749 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 1: You could that be the basis of a horror movie. 750 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: I don't know. Your killer would be very immobile, just like, 751 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 1: come over, come over to this tree. But there's another 752 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,239 Speaker 1: thing that's interesting about this one that makes it very 753 00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 1: different than the chainsaws of today. In this model, the 754 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 1: chain did not rotate around a fixed bar or blade. 755 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 1: So when you picture a modern chainsaw. You know, there's 756 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,759 Speaker 1: the chain and then there's that flat metal thing that 757 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 1: the chain goes around. Generally that's referred to as the bar, 758 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,840 Speaker 1: so that you know, the bar doesn't move, but the 759 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,520 Speaker 1: chain circles around the outside of the bar. This this 760 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,960 Speaker 1: chainsaw did not have a bar. It just had a chain, 761 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,840 Speaker 1: and the motor would power a chain that rotated freely 762 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 1: around the trunk of the tree. So this would be 763 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 1: kind of like a gas powered garrotte wire for a 764 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 1: tree with with part of the machine itself nailed to 765 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,960 Speaker 1: the tree above where you were cutting. Now, that is 766 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 1: very in keeping with the the device we see in 767 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 1: robot jocks. Yes, but allegedly this thing could cut through 768 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 1: a trunk of about ten feet in diameter in in 769 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,240 Speaker 1: four and a half minutes. Now. The book also mentions 770 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:12,400 Speaker 1: an issue of Scientific American that had a cover photo 771 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:18,200 Speaker 1: boasting a giant chainsaw bucking a huge fallen redwood, and 772 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,680 Speaker 1: I found it from the issue from January twenty second, 773 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,600 Speaker 1: nineteen ten. The caption is cutting a redwood tree with 774 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,279 Speaker 1: a saw driven by an engine. So in a way, 775 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,600 Speaker 1: this is a lot like a chainsaw because this model 776 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,520 Speaker 1: does actually have a central bar with a cutting chain 777 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,480 Speaker 1: that rotates around it, and the chain is powered by 778 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,799 Speaker 1: a motor. But it is not like modern chainsaws in 779 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 1: that it is not a handheld tool. This is a 780 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,360 Speaker 1: massive appliance that's operated by an engine mounted on some 781 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,400 Speaker 1: kind of platform that looks like it's on tracks. And 782 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 1: yet in this, uh, this image, you can still see 783 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,840 Speaker 1: why this would be a great invention to have, Like 784 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,279 Speaker 1: this is an enormous tree trunk, and I can I 785 00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,359 Speaker 1: can easily imagine how this would have saved them time. 786 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,200 Speaker 1: And so, you know, they're cutting a redwood, which of 787 00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,239 Speaker 1: course again is a gigantic trunk, and they're using it 788 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,400 Speaker 1: for bucking on a on a red wood that has 789 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,880 Speaker 1: already been knocked down, so it's lying flat on the 790 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,080 Speaker 1: ground and this machine is going alongside it bucking out 791 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,400 Speaker 1: the logs of of whatever length they're going to end 792 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,960 Speaker 1: up using. Apparently was developed by a California based inventor 793 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,760 Speaker 1: named R. L. Muir, and it was called the Endless 794 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:26,239 Speaker 1: cross cut saw. Wow, this sounds very poetic. The endless saw. Yeah, 795 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,719 Speaker 1: it saws forever, the infinite saw that it kind of 796 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,920 Speaker 1: sums up perhaps the you know, the national view of 797 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,600 Speaker 1: our forest at that time, this was, you know, an 798 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,520 Speaker 1: endless saw for an endless supply of of wood. So 799 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,000 Speaker 1: there's also a segment in Lee's book that I thought 800 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,960 Speaker 1: was very good because it addresses the question of why 801 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,920 Speaker 1: a chain, you know, like why even bother with a 802 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:55,240 Speaker 1: chainsaw as opposed to the more classic reciprocating saw, because 803 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,200 Speaker 1: there were all these models where you could take an 804 00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,239 Speaker 1: engine and apply some kind of mechanical power or to 805 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:05,160 Speaker 1: a classic style back and forth reciprocating saw blade. Um, 806 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,520 Speaker 1: what what actually makes a chain that much better? Well, 807 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:12,680 Speaker 1: apparently unidirectional motion of the cutting surface is better for 808 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:18,160 Speaker 1: multiple reasons. First of all, stopping saw motion to reverse direction, 809 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,319 Speaker 1: which you have to do every single pass with a 810 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,000 Speaker 1: reciprocating saw. That makes it harder to build up speed 811 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,600 Speaker 1: on the motion of the saw. And it's also a 812 00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:30,000 Speaker 1: huge waste of energy, so every time you accelerate the 813 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,280 Speaker 1: cutting edge, you then immediately have to waste energy slowing 814 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:37,319 Speaker 1: it down again and stopping it before you reverse. But 815 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,080 Speaker 1: Lee points out something else that I wouldn't have thought about, 816 00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:45,279 Speaker 1: which is the reciprocating motion also creates vibration, which makes 817 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:50,000 Speaker 1: it more difficult to guide cuts accurately. Um. And so 818 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,240 Speaker 1: when I was reading this, I immediately started wondering about 819 00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,400 Speaker 1: something about Okay, wait a minute, though, you could have 820 00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:01,879 Speaker 1: continuous one directional sawing motion without having a reciprocating saw 821 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,120 Speaker 1: by using a circular saw, right, you know, like somebody 822 00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,760 Speaker 1: would have in their wood shop. That's one directional cutting 823 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,120 Speaker 1: that would solve some of these problems. Right, And of 824 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,200 Speaker 1: course we we've seen plenty of images of this and 825 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:19,439 Speaker 1: like industrialized you know, um lumber processing facilities where they'll 826 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,640 Speaker 1: be that one big vertical saw that they're sending logs down. 827 00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,560 Speaker 1: And of course, if you're watching some sort of a 828 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,480 Speaker 1: horror suspense show, inevitably a human being is going to 829 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,279 Speaker 1: be sent down there to be cut in half as well. Right, Yeah, 830 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,160 Speaker 1: the joker is going to tie up Batman and put 831 00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,160 Speaker 1: him on the road down to the big circular saw. 832 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,920 Speaker 1: But of course, while a circular saw is great in 833 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,760 Speaker 1: a in a sort of workshop or saw mill environment 834 00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,120 Speaker 1: where like you have fixed sawing infrastructure and you know 835 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,520 Speaker 1: the size of the things you're going to have to cut, 836 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,719 Speaker 1: you can imagine that you might start to encounter problems 837 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:53,200 Speaker 1: using a giant circular saw to say, cut trees down 838 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,359 Speaker 1: in the field, because when you think about a circular saw, 839 00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,960 Speaker 1: the maximum depth of a cut made by a circular 840 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,640 Speaker 1: saw is going to be the radius of the saw blade, 841 00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,120 Speaker 1: or about the radius of the saw blade, right, because 842 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,520 Speaker 1: it has to be mounted from the middle. So if 843 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,959 Speaker 1: you want to cut through a tree trunk that's ten 844 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,399 Speaker 1: ft wide, you need a saw that can cut in 845 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,400 Speaker 1: at least about five feet. Uh So you need like 846 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:21,480 Speaker 1: a tin foot wide circular saw blade, which it sounds 847 00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:26,240 Speaker 1: very cool but not practical. Uh Though despite that impracticality, 848 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,080 Speaker 1: circular saws for logging actually did exist in the early 849 00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,080 Speaker 1: days of power sawing. Uh So there's an image of 850 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,760 Speaker 1: one of these again in Lee's book called the Holt 851 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:40,719 Speaker 1: Stump Saw. It's one of those images you you it's amazing, 852 00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,399 Speaker 1: but you kind of wish you could unsee it. Uh 853 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,400 Speaker 1: It looks like an absolute slaughter wagon. So there's like 854 00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,840 Speaker 1: a tractor basically with tracks, and then mounted on the 855 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,760 Speaker 1: tractor is this giant metal arm with a steering wheel 856 00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,560 Speaker 1: at one end and a guy wearing a fedora holding 857 00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,359 Speaker 1: the steering wheel. And then at the other end of 858 00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,959 Speaker 1: this poll leading out from the wheel is a humongous 859 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,919 Speaker 1: circular saw that's just open to the air. Yeah, this 860 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,839 Speaker 1: is uh, this is this is very terrifying looking. It 861 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:14,920 Speaker 1: also reminds me of the various uh sawm mechanisms and 862 00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:19,800 Speaker 1: vehicles that are in the Lorax, uh, the Illustrated book. Because, 863 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,520 Speaker 1: of course, the well you eventually get with the Lorax 864 00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,960 Speaker 1: is that the one sler in his corporation are just 865 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,719 Speaker 1: cutting down all the truffle of trees they can, and 866 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,600 Speaker 1: they have these machines to aid them, and they look 867 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,520 Speaker 1: like you know, basically fever dreams based on this concept, 868 00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:37,680 Speaker 1: big circular blades attached to weird arms and whatnot. Oh 869 00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,680 Speaker 1: I wonder if the idea comes from seeing one of 870 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,520 Speaker 1: these actual machines, like the whole stump saw. Yeah, it 871 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,560 Speaker 1: could be. Well allegedly, I mean, so these things did exist, 872 00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:49,000 Speaker 1: even though they have their problems. Apparently, giant circular saws 873 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,640 Speaker 1: for logging were made in Russia and in France, but 874 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,839 Speaker 1: again they were huge, unwieldy, they had problems, and so 875 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,560 Speaker 1: chain saws, of course, they offered the best of both worlds. 876 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,080 Speaker 1: So the rotating chain allows you to have the speed 877 00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:07,879 Speaker 1: and energy efficiency and accurate cut guiding of a circular saw, 878 00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:14,200 Speaker 1: but with the convenient long shape of the reciprocating saw. Alright, Well, 879 00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,719 Speaker 1: on that note, we we're reaching the end of this episode, 880 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,520 Speaker 1: so we're gonna go ahead and uh, we're gonna go 881 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,799 Speaker 1: and cut it off right here. Uh, but we're gonna 882 00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,279 Speaker 1: get back, yeah, clean cut. We have we have so 883 00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,160 Speaker 1: much to cover in the next episode. We're going to 884 00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,400 Speaker 1: talk about the the invention of the chainsaw, really the 885 00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,919 Speaker 1: most important chainsaws and chainsaw history. We're gonna talk about 886 00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,759 Speaker 1: medical chainsaws. Uh. And we're gonna talk a little bit 887 00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:42,280 Speaker 1: about what the chainsaw symbolizes in um in American culture. 888 00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,839 Speaker 1: Uh so, and I'm sure we'll we'll also continue to 889 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,440 Speaker 1: to discuss a few horror movies along the way. I 890 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,600 Speaker 1: can't wait. 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