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Speaker 1: And today we got an incredible guest, TJ Ward, former

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Speaker 2: I mean you've been everywhere, TJ. Brother. Appreciate you joining me.

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Speaker 3: Hey man, no doubt. Thanks for having me, Sharon. Man,

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Speaker 3: it's a pleasure. Great seeing you doing your thing on

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Speaker 3: every platform.

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Speaker 1: Man, trying to up. Man, I'm trying to catch up.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming on. Brother, I see you grind it,

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Speaker 1: got your own part, doing your thing. It's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a fun discussion, man.

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Speaker 2: Man, I can't wait always is man.

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Speaker 3: I tell people all the time. Man, we go back

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Speaker 3: to college when we was battling on Rainbow six on

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Speaker 3: the PlayStation two back in the day. Man, take me back, man,

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Speaker 3: we used to be man, good time good tide. Man,

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Speaker 3: it seemed like it seemed like forever ago. But man,

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Speaker 3: none the less man. Glad to be here, Glad to

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Speaker 3: be here. Yeah, so let's commence with the show. Let's

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Speaker 3: commence with the show. Man. It's been a few weeks

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Speaker 3: since we've been kind of going back and forth on

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Speaker 3: our opinions about our great defenses. And let's get that understood. First, Man,

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Speaker 3: we both played for two of the greatest defenses ever. Right,

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Speaker 3: that's an honor and a privilege. And I know you

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Speaker 3: feel how I feel about my defense and my secondary,

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Speaker 3: and you feel how you feel about your defense and

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Speaker 3: your secondary. But nonetheless, man, a handful of amazing players

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Speaker 1: The debate, right, we gotta we gotta figure that out.

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Speaker 1: It's it's gonna be a fun debate. I can't wait

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Speaker 1: Because leave leap leaving, uh and Skip just wanted to

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Speaker 1: But he's doing a great job with Skip. But I

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Speaker 1: I mean, I want to be with you, Lee, but

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Speaker 2: They were like, man, he said he was better than you.

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Speaker 1: He said, I said, you ain't gonna find a corner

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Speaker 1: and and rightfully so like Leeve was nice too, and

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Speaker 1: like that you're talking about ten pick sixes, Leave strapping.

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Speaker 1: He talking crazy. If it wasn't for the off the

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Speaker 1: And that's what I tell people all the time. Lee

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Speaker 2: And I was like, leave now now alone.

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Speaker 1: Now we had some guys over there, now leave, Yeah

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Speaker 3: I was wondering because people was like asked me, like, like,

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Speaker 1: Was that it no, no, no, this was Leave and

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Speaker 3: He said, like our defense was sexier, right, and I'm sexier.

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Speaker 2: Would be the word I would use I would just

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Speaker 3: We we had to play man. We was pressing all

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Speaker 3: And I mean I had two sacks that season, you know,

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Speaker 3: you know, I think we had fifty two sacks that year,

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Speaker 3: Y'all had us two seventy three to two eighty three

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Speaker 3: our twenty seven takeaways to y'all thirty nine our fourteen

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Speaker 3: You don't like to say what the offense, You know,

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Speaker 2: It is what it is.

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Speaker 3: Right, It's a fact like when you hit the field

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Speaker 3: you guys had a lot of turnovers, not that we

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Speaker 2: We can't deny that, but.

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Speaker 3: I feel that you guys had the luxury provided by

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Speaker 2: And I'm not trying to down.

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Speaker 3: Our offense like that because you know, I always say

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Speaker 3: So they did what they had to do in those instances.

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Speaker 1: But that's see, that's where I'm gonna go. I'll accept

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Speaker 1: Did you have you ever heard of a two thousand

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Speaker 1: them for that season? I do, and I'm glad you

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Speaker 1: They had the nineteen interceptions between they had how many interceptions?

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Speaker 1: But what I yeah, I'm saying is in this, in

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Speaker 3: I felt were, you know, three of the best interior

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Speaker 2: Even Byron.

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Speaker 1: Maxwell had four interceptions, Earl had five. H I believe

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Cam had yeah, Cam had three, Max

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Speaker 3: Man, they ain't had no receivers, then they ain't had

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Speaker 2: What we did to that boy the year right four.

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Speaker 3: I think honestly, I think that game got out of

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Speaker 2: You know, they snapped the.

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Speaker 1: Our offense scored like two touchdowns, Like our offense didn't

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Speaker 3: Like y'all had the Malcolm Malcolm my dog mouth shout out,

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Speaker 1: What was that the third quarter for the touchdown. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And it was fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Like they didn't get out of hand until

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Speaker 1: The Marius and what he did and Decker and Welker

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Speaker 1: everybody was just getting tired. They was running simple stuff.

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Speaker 2: But everybody was.

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Speaker 1: They was getting to the line quick, people trying to adjust,

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Speaker 3: It was a speed offense, but that that running game.

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Speaker 3: They scored a lot of points, like you said, because

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Speaker 3: expecting anything but past. You know, I think who was

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Speaker 3: the running back they had that year. It wasn't no Sean.

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Speaker 2: Von Miller didn't play in that game. Chris Harrison didn't

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Speaker 3: Raheem more than playing that game. Would you not say

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Speaker 1: I would not. I would tell you to watch the game.

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Speaker 1: we played CAP. We played Drew Brees and guess what,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, we just got a jacket.

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Speaker 3: We had, We had can boys to they They was

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Speaker 2: And now you've seen the game. He couldn't do nothing

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Speaker 3: The game was over, you know, the game was over

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Speaker 2: But nonetheless.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, you know, Cam Newton MVP, and they defense

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Speaker 3: another two times, right that defense. Luke Keigley going in

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Speaker 2: Just walked in the elevator.

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Speaker 2: I think overall we played a better team than y'all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but nobody would say that, Like if you say,

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Speaker 1: They had a receiver that year for Carolina, Like nobody

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Speaker 3: Carolina again was smoking that year. I'm not saying he

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Speaker 2: It, but they had a good three man.

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Speaker 3: Greg Olsen debataball Hall of Famery was strapped all games,

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Speaker 2: But uh, the running game I think was that that

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Speaker 1: But but you're not. But that's what I'm saying, teacher,

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. It's we arguing things that cannot

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Speaker 1: They don't got no players that you can remember outside

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Speaker 2: The Marryus was not gonna go out of there without

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Speaker 1: Man, my boy, long live, long live. But but that's

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm saying we took the football away

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Speaker 1: and knowing, hey, all right, if we can see them bang,

438
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:05,959
Speaker 1: we know what plays they gonna run, we know what

439
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 1: concepts they're gonna run.

440
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:08,920
Speaker 2: Hey, I need you here, I need you here. Hey,

441
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 2: you you shift this way. Hey. They know what we're in.

442
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 1: So we're gonna bastardize it like this, and we're gonna

443
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 1: force the ball here and we're gonna book them, like

444
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 1: that's why we bring this so that we can we

445
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,399
Speaker 1: can play to the strengths of our players, play to

446
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 1: the intelligence and the IQ of our players and take

447
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,200
Speaker 1: the football away that manytimes, that's why we that's why

448
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 1: we killed everybody. Like the big play where Cam hit

449
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 1: the Marus, that was one robber. Yeah, that was one robber.

450
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 1: Cam robbed in the middle of the field and was

451
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 1: coming down. They ran a man beater a pick you know,

452
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 1: crossers and Cam said like like, and that's early in

453
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 1: the game. So again we're playing man on that play.

454
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 1: That's man one robber. But we were we were playing

455
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 1: to the strengths of our players visual like and man

456
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 1: as you know, you ain't you can't look, you can't

457
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,640
Speaker 1: really play to concepts and all that. You gotta like, Hey,

458
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 1: I'm I gotta get to here, get to my leverage,

459
00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,440
Speaker 1: like hands on staying his hit, like I might chance

460
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 1: to glance if I read throughout early now, But it's

461
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 1: harder to get interceptions. So that's why you rarely have

462
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: these teams that are playing so much men coverage go

463
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl. Like That's why in the last

464
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 1: probably ten years, you look at every Super Bowl champion

465
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: and what they playing on defense, and I mean every

466
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 1: NFL team, nobody's playing more than thirty percent man. Even

467
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 1: in Broncos this year, who were living in Man van

468
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 1: Joseph Hatton Boys and Man all time, it was like

469
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 1: thirty one percent.

470
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I think that just makes us even more

471
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,679
Speaker 3: special because we did go to the Super Bowl and

472
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,919
Speaker 3: we did dominate every team we played defensively. If you

473
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 3: look back at our schedule and you look at the

474
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 3: way we won every game, it was a defensive play

475
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 3: to win the game, whether it was a force turnover,

476
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:50,400
Speaker 3: an interception of fumble for scoop and score a fumble

477
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 3: or interception backed up, if it's a sack to push

478
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 3: another team out of field goal range. Not every game,

479
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 3: but most games was a play like that to win

480
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 3: the game and to.

481
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,360
Speaker 2: Go into like your cover three. We only ran cover

482
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 2: three on third and long.

483
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 3: We had a three buzz, but outside of that our

484
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 3: zones were zone man's cover eight right quarters one, cover

485
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:19,479
Speaker 3: quarters two, cover six, reverse quarters two right. That takes

486
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 3: when you're running multiple defenses and to be as cohesive

487
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 3: as we were, and to communicate the things we did running,

488
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,640
Speaker 3: whether it was a fire zone, a zone man or man.

489
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 2: Robber, all that.

490
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 3: When you have all these accumulations of defense and you

491
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 3: still are able to communicate across the board and get

492
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 3: things done, and that says another thing about your secondary

493
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 3: and your defensive intelligence as well.

494
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 1: No question about that, now, no question about that. It

495
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 1: takes intelligence, especially safeties, because y'all got to get everybody

496
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 1: lined up, and you got to get everybody moved, and

497
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: you got to know where to drop and where to

498
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,719
Speaker 1: play and all these crazy blitzes. But it takes. It

499
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: takes some cajone's to say, hey, we're gonna run. We're

500
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 1: gonna run three fourth things. We're gonna run, man, we're

501
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 1: gonna run three occasional fire zone and we're gonna line

502
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,239
Speaker 1: up and you ain't gonna know nothing about it.

503
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question.

504
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 3: I'm curious about what do you think your percentage of

505
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 3: you know, I know that was your your home defense, right,

506
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 3: what a percentage would you say you ran at above

507
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 3: all of the defenses.

508
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 1: And it's just a curious question. Yeah, all defenses, the three.

509
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: It just depends on what you if what you're talking about,

510
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: because if you look at the league right now, everybody

511
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: runs Cover three at about fifty percent everybody because it's

512
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 1: eight box and it's and it's your first down defense.

513
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 1: Everybody's eight bocks first down against the run. And so

514
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 1: that's what a lot of times it be in because

515
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: we're playing it against the run. We're playing base cover

516
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: three against whatever base personnel twenty one or twelve.

517
00:25:54,000 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 2: So if you above the rest of the league, Oh.

518
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 3: No, I'm not saying above the rest of the league.

519
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 3: I'm saying pop just within your team, like compared to

520
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,239
Speaker 3: like your cover ones and your would it be like

521
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 3: fifty percent Cover three, fifty percent every all other defenses?

522
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: Right, we probably be twenty four to twenty five percent man,

523
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: we probably be fifty percent Cover three. We probably be

524
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 1: like ten percent Cover two, maybe ten percent fire zone three,

525
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: something like that.

526
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, I say we was probably like we was

527
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 3: probably like forty percent man, thirty percent a quarter style defense,

528
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 3: right whether it was six eight or straight up quarters.

529
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 3: We probably did that thirty percent, probably another twenty percent

530
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 3: I'll say ten to fifteen percent a fire zone, maybe

531
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,959
Speaker 3: ten more like ten percent fire zone, and then another

532
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 3: ten to fifteen paying cover three D just because we

533
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 3: ran that a lot on third down, you know, third

534
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 3: and long, third and long.

535
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 2: What Schwartz in Cleveland with you?

536
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: Nah?

537
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 2: I didn't have Schwartz, I didn't have Sworts. Who'd you

538
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 2: got I had?

539
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 3: My first year, we had man Jeanie. It was Rob Ryant,

540
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 3: which was great. Rob Ryan was great defense all over

541
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 3: the plays right the name of it. It could be anything.

542
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 3: Then I had Dick Geron, who I came from Green

543
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 3: Bay and he ran We ran more of a four

544
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 3: to three style where strong safety. I was setting a

545
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 3: lot of edges. I was playing like a damn outside linebacker.

546
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 3: It was probably like the worst. And I always say

547
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 3: that I broke my foot that year because I was

548
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 3: forcing so much shit inside. My second year and halfway

549
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 3: through the season, my foot just snapped on me. And

550
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 3: then I came back. The third year was Dick Geron again.

551
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 3: I don't even remember that year too much. I think

552
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 3: I got a pretty good year of DC. But my

553
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 3: fourth year and probably my favorite defense was Ray Horden,

554
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 3: Ray Horden came Pastsburg. I love that defense. I wish

555
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 3: I could have played in his defense my whole career.

556
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 3: And I don't know what happened to him after that season.

557
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 3: I think he man went to Arizona for a little bit,

558
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 3: or he was in Arizona before. But that was one

559
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 3: of my favorite defense along with Wade Phillips.

560
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 2: And then when we got.

561
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 3: To Denver, we had we had Jack fit for that year.

562
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 3: That first year we had Jack. And the only thing

563
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 3: is I didn't like about that defense. It was like

564
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,239
Speaker 3: it was like a three man concept right to the

565
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 3: line to tighten and if I want to play man,

566
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 3: let me play man.

567
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 2: Let me go get him and take him.

568
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 3: It was like a man where if the tight ends

569
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 3: went over the linebackers, then you take him, and if

570
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 3: he don't, then it's like a little discrepancy there. And

571
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 3: a lot of times I was ended up chasing guys

572
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 3: laid across the field because the linebackers. It's great, you know,

573
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 3: because it's great, so great, and I'm with Pro Bowl

574
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 3: that you actually had some great numbers, but I just

575
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 3: didn't feel, you know, to yourself. Sometimes you had the

576
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 3: numbers be there you'd be like, man, I kind of had,

577
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 3: you know, fortunate situations, right, But then I had the numbers.

578
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 3: But then the players I seem to give up were more.

579
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 3: And it's not all about what you do good to us,

580
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 3: it's about what you give up. Like I could have

581
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 3: six picks and I gave up. I didn't say, I

582
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 3: think I gave up one touchdown and I don't want

583
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 3: I don't want to give up no touchdowns to no

584
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 3: night ends, no years, and I gave up one, and

585
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 3: I was hot.

586
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 2: I was like, man, I'm doing no.

587
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: But that's that's another thing about that year, twenty thirteen year,

588
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: we had two dudes for Defensive Player of the year,

589
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: got votes for Defensive Player to the Year. I got

590
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: I got votes, and Earl got votes for defensive Player

591
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: of the Year because I had eight books and I

592
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: was strapping. And that was another thing. In the playoffs,

593
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: I know you said, y'all made plays to win those games.

594
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: In the playoffs. We started the NFC Championship game, guess

595
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: what the offense did. He turned the ball of Russ

596
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: fumble first played the game, and again, like you just said,

597
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: it's in their territory. First play of the game adversity,

598
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: we hold them to a field goal, they go up

599
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: ten oh. In that game, they go up ten oh,

600
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: and they up ten oh for a decent part of

601
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: that game. Marshan ended up breaking out scoring hitting US seven.

602
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,959
Speaker 1: We get three cool. It's it's three oh. In the

603
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: fourth quarter of that game, every time they touched the ball,

604
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: we took it.

605
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 2: This is no no. We played.

606
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: We played the Saints and Divisional. We played in the

607
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: NFC Championship, and they they they dropped back. This is

608
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: the beginning of the third They dropped back. Cliff Ever,

609
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: I believe forces a fumble, might be ben it picks

610
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: it up, runs it to the five. Yeah, offense gets

611
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: no points, no points from the five, got no points.

612
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: They turned it over, turned it over on downs from

613
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: the five. A couple of plays later, Cam picks it

614
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: off in the in the in the flats from the thirty.

615
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 1: I think our offense scored after that on a on

616
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: a on a free play on fourth down.

617
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: It's like fourth and eleven. Free play they got.

618
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: They got San Francisco to jump, because we gotta remember

619
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: San Francisco had some dogs. They had Navarro, they had

620
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,479
Speaker 1: Pat Willis, they had justin they had. They had some

621
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: guys they had that was going that it was one

622
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: of the best defenses in the league. Sure, and we

623
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: got a free play. He hit curves for a touchdown. Cool,

624
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: we got a touchdown. Then the last drive of the

625
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: game is when I tip it to Malcolm, Malcolm pick

626
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: it off in that game. Those are the three drives

627
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: they had in the Super Bowl. That's that's the kind

628
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: of defense we was playing. So it wasn't like, man,

629
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: we we getting you know, we we having these relaxed

630
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: games and we just chilling and we just like we

631
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: having to show up and dominate to give us a chance.

632
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 2: If we don't stop and if I give up that

633
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 2: touchdown right there, we lose. Yeah.

634
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: Like now, even after all everything we did in that game,

635
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: we lose that game. And so it's literally clutch play

636
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: after clutch play after clutch play. And it happened throughout

637
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: the season. We had many games where it was like, hey,

638
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: pick six to bring us back.

639
00:31:58,280 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 2: We losing.

640
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: We losing in Houston with two minutes to go, they're

641
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: at midfield, third and four, shop, I want.

642
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 2: To do a half boot, trying to throw it to

643
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 2: the flat.

644
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: We run a fire zone like palms concept and we

645
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: invert out of cover three and I jumped down the

646
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: palms picked six fifty yards twenty one up to bring

647
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: us back in.

648
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

649
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: It's plays like that all season where your best players

650
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: is making the big time plays. And I feel like

651
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: y'all did the same thing. I feel like Von had

652
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: the plays. I mean the AFC Championship in Super Bowl

653
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: for Vaughn. That boy, that boy was played. Yeah.

654
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 3: Look, he played so well, especially those last two games.

655
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 3: Like I'm not gonna say only but when I looked

656
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 3: at I had to go back and look when we

657
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 3: just going over a lot of this stuff, and he

658
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 3: had eleven and a half sex regular season, right, I

659
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 3: was thinking he had at least fifteen, you know what

660
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 3: I'm saying.

661
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 2: Like just the way that playoff run. And so I went,

662
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, he only had eleven and a half sex.

663
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 3: Like I told you about fifty sacks during the regular season,

664
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 3: the way he was playing in the playoffs, and I look, man,

665
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 3: we both turned up as far as turnovers in the playoffs,

666
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 3: Like you said, defensive, you guys had eight.

667
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 2: We had seven.

668
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 3: Right, just when you're back against the wall in situations

669
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 3: and the biggest moments, the biggest moments of the season.

670
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 3: What do you do? What happens, and what do you do?

671
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 3: Do you get the ball back? Do you get a

672
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 3: big stop?

673
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 2: Do you know?

674
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 3: How do you react to being uncomfortable in urgent situations?

675
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: Right?

676
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 3: And that's what we did, both of us defenses. Wise,

677
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 3: like you said, things may not always go right in

678
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 3: the way you want them, and a lot of shit

679
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 3: be unexpected.

680
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 2: You may get a turnover, get you right back on

681
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 2: the field. God damn, we just got the ball. You

682
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 2: can't even sit down on this big for a little bit.

683
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 3: But you know, I will say that, no, like I said,

684
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 3: you guys eight to our seven the offenses we played,

685
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 3: and like we talked about, you know, and this one

686
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 3: more point the points per.

687
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,280
Speaker 2: Play, then I'm gonna have to go in our favorite.

688
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 3: It's not by much, but our yards per play was

689
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 3: four point three nine.

690
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 2: You know what, you guys were four point four.

691
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: Right over right behind us.

692
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 3: At four point four man, So you know, nonetheless, man,

693
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 3: I enjoy watching y'all play. I enjoy watching y'all do

694
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 3: y'all whole thing, like Cam, my dog, earl and my

695
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 3: dog Man.

696
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: I talked to Cam more.

697
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 3: And then I talked to a lot of guys on

698
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 3: our defense, right, just through Instagram or what not, checking

699
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 3: on you know, everybody's well being.

700
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 2: You know, me, Earl CA and yourself.

701
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 3: We all came out the same draft class, so we've

702
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 3: had eyes on each other for a long time, right,

703
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 3: just checking each other's game and just seeing you guys

704
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 3: do what you did in Seattle. It motivated not only

705
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 3: the whole league, right because in football, it's always looked

706
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 3: at it as an offensive game, right. Offense sales the tickets.

707
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 3: Offense is who gets paid first. You know, Offense is

708
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 3: the first child, you know most of the time, right,

709
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 3: they or the baby, whatever you want to whoever gets

710
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 3: treated better. But we all know defense wins championships and

711
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 3: without that defense, man, you're knock on win nothing.

712
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: Exactly, yeah, exactly, And that's what I want to say

713
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 1: about y'all too.

714
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: Bro.

715
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: We had a lot of you. Just as a defensive player,

716
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: you admire great defense. And we played Carolina that twenty

717
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: fifteen years He had some issues early in the game,

718
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: and you know, some things happened, but but they Jay

719
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: Stu had had a good game and we lost that Jay.

720
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 2: We watched Jay Stew was killing man. He was a

721
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 2: hard tackle. Man. I had he. I had him in college.

722
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 3: Man, you played to get see so man, look when

723
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 3: he came in.

724
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 2: I was like, what the fuck is this? Bro?

725
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: I remember coming to autin my freshman year at Stanford

726
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 1: and I wasn't expected to play. This was two thy eleven.

727
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, two thousand and six, sorry, two thousand

728
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: and six. In two thousand and six, we come in

729
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: to Auton and I've never been there, you know what

730
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: I mean. I'm just a kid from Compton trying to

731
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: try to figure it out. Y'all came out there with

732
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: with you, Pat Chung, Walter Thurman and Bird I think

733
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: was at the other corner.

734
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 2: And boy, when I tell you.

735
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: Y'all told us up and down that field and Jay

736
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: stew Our best player was our safety.

737
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 2: Brandon Harrison.

738
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: He was a big dude, like like two thirty, you know,

739
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: six two supposed to be League bounds, supposed to be

740
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: and he killing us in training camp. So I'm like, boy,

741
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 1: this boy is nice.

742
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 2: You know.

743
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: All you know is yeah, Jay Stu got up that sideline,

744
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: grabbed him by his face, mask yump to the ground

745
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: and just got out of there. I said, it's real

746
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: out here. His voice is real. They legitimate.

747
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 2: I gotta, I gotta.

748
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 3: You know, when your head dog, when your main dog

749
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 3: get dog down, you you you in for a long day.

750
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 2: He just did that to Demo God dog dog.

751
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 3: Ah.

752
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: That's funny as hell. That's funny as hey. We got

753
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: some breaking news. It looks like the Kansas City Chiefs

754
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: just traded Trip mcduffeat to the Rams or first round pick,

755
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: fifth round pick, sixth round pick, a third round pick

756
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:06,919
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty seven.

757
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 2: Like Christmas list. God damn, the Santa Claus came with that. Man.

758
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 2: That's wow. Wow. NFC West right now, NFC West is

759
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 2: an arms rate.

760
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 3: It is last year. They was cooking last year. I

761
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 3: said they was the best division in football. And I

762
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,720
Speaker 3: know the Rams are losing Kobe Durant, which was probably

763
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 3: their best corner. Like that boy was out there making plays.

764
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 3: He going to free agency and they, I mean, that

765
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 3: was a knot on the on the Rams this year.

766
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 3: Was that secondary right, They had Forbes out there.

767
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 2: He had an up and down season.

768
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 3: You know, Kobe Durant was holding it down as far

769
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 3: as turnovers, but they gave up a lot of players

770
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 3: especially to you guys, man, and crucial clutch plays and

771
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 3: clutch moments. So we just talked about your defense what

772
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 3: they have to do in the bigger moments of the game.

773
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 2: Man, What do you think about this? Man, Sean, I

774
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: think this.

775
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: I low key feel like that the rams got laced

776
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 1: because I don't know about a corner getting that much

777
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 1: of a haul like a first, like a first round

778
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 1: pick for him would have made sense. So you just said, okay,

779
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: first round, but they gave a fifth, sixth in a

780
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: third from next year, like that just seems like a lot.

781
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: And it seems like on the chief side, they might

782
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: be going into rebuild mode. They might be feeling like, hey,

783
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a throwaway year because they don't

784
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: know when Pat Mahomes is going to be back. You know,

785
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: he's coming off the ACL. You don't know how quickly

786
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: that's gonna heal. Is he going to be back mid season?

787
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: Is he gonna be back late be back late season?

788
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. And so giving up your best corner

789
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: seems like in getting draft picks for it seems like, hey,

790
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: we're just investing in the future and we don't want

791
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: to keep paying high value corners and save a little

792
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: bit of money, so they may be able to retain

793
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess maybe retain Chris Jones and some

794
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 1: of the other guys that they have. But for the Rams,

795
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 1: it makes sense, like for the reasons you said they're

796
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: they're losing Forbes, they got a great front and Jared

797
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: Vers and Biring Young and Braydon Fisk. Landman's a good linebacker,

798
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: so they feel good about their front, but they need

799
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: to secure that back in if they're gonna keep competing

800
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 1: with the Seattle Seahawks and the San Francisco forty nine ers.

801
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: That that division, everybody had ten wins and everybody was

802
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: you know, two of them more. In the NFC Championship game,

803
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: the Niners got put out by the Seahawks in a

804
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: divisional But they're gonna get healthier this year. They're gonna

805
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,439
Speaker 1: get all their best players back. For Ed Warner's coming back,

806
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: Nick nick Bose is coming back. It's some up in

807
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 1: the air stuff about Trent Williams, but I would assume

808
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: he's coming back, and them at full strength is as

809
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: good as any team in this league. So it's gonna

810
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: be fun to watch.

811
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm I think, honestly, I think

812
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 3: the Chiefs won this one, especially with that third, with

813
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 3: that charity on the top. My thing is the turnovers

814
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 3: right from your number one corner to last year or

815
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 3: one last year, two, the.

816
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 2: Year before, zero, the years.

817
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 3: And I really see Trent as an inside nickel, right,

818
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 3: he can play the outside, but last year seemed that

819
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 3: he got picked on a little bit out there when

820
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 3: he was at the number one, especially against bigger receivers.

821
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 3: And that was just me looking at as many games

822
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 3: as I've watched. Of course I didn't watch every game,

823
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 3: but I watched a lot of the Chiefs games, especially

824
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 3: them being you know AFC West, right, you pay attention

825
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 3: to that.

826
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:31,959
Speaker 2: When you watching the Broncos.

827
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 3: So a first rounder, like you said, cool, maybe another

828
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 3: late rounder, but then another late rounder and the third man,

829
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 3: ah Man, big Red Andy Reid.

830
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 2: I think they won that one.

831
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 3: And knowing that they like to develop through the draft,

832
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 3: it gives them another opportunity to bring a younger player in,

833
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 3: maybe an ideal player that they may want to get

834
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 3: in free agency, but.

835
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 2: Hey, let's not spend the money. Let's get this.

836
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 3: Type of player in the draft for the lo and

837
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 3: develop him and we could pay. Our big horse who

838
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 3: pretty much makes everything happen is Chris Jones, right like,

839
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 3: you better keep him if you want to upset Chris Jones.

840
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 3: I would dare to say the best player in football defense,

841
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 3: right man, I would look.

842
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: Not far from I don't think they win any of

843
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: those Super Bowls without him, No, absolutely, And that's my

844
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: personal opinion. I know he had a down year this year.

845
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: I think he would he would admit that, he would

846
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: say it. The tape says it. And I think people

847
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: are so down on him, especially you hear Kansas City

848
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: Chiefs fans like man.

849
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 2: Get rid of him, get rid of him.

850
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: People have down years, guys, But when he's on in

851
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: twenty three, in nineteen and twenty, like a lot of

852
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: those years, y'all won super Bowls. He was the reason

853
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: he won him that super Bowl in twenty three nineteen.

854
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 1: He had an incredible year. She had an impactful game

855
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: that season in the Super Bowl, and I'm not sure

856
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: they win it without him. So again, as you said,

857
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: keep him happy, keep and maybe surround him with more talent,

858
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: like more d Lin talent. You know, pass rush wins

859
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: games in this league. Pass rush. You got to have it,

860
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 1: and I think it showed up in the AFC side

861
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: because of what Houston's doing with Danil Hunter and Will Anderson. Uh,

862
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: what what Denver's doing with with Benito and Cooper and

863
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: those boys, and even interior they got interior all pro

864
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 1: uh and uh Zach Zach Allen. Yeah, yeah, who's Who's

865
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: Who's freaking phenomenal. But a great pass rush gets you,

866
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: gives you a chance, you know, and as you said earlier,

867
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: pass rush and coverage work together.

868
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like, I think, I like especially, I think

869
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 3: this draft has an abundance of pass rushers that you

870
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 3: can get laid after those early guys go right after

871
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 3: the banns Uh, he'll probably maybe you know the boys

872
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 3: at Ohio State, they can change the defense. Right Our

873
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 3: guy is at the text the Red Raiders, he's I

874
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 3: think he'll be the first defensive guy gone. But then

875
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 3: you got a group of long outside corners that are

876
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 3: coming out of this draft this year.

877
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Speaker 2: So man, it's gonna be interesting to see.

878
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 3: It's gonna be very interesting to see how they installed

879
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 3: McDuffie in that Rams defense, and really, what responsibility do

880
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 3: they have. Do they have them playing more inside? Do

881
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 3: they have somebody that they picture to play outside or

882
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 3: they gonna line them up immediately at number one on

883
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 3: your best receiver.

884
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm interested to see that too. And we've had

885
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: those conversations before about you know, shadowing the number one receiver?

886
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: And is that the most valuable thing to do? Is

887
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: that the smartest thing for a defense to do? And

888
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: I think it's situational, you know, I don't think it's

889
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: something you do every week, because not every week you

890
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: got a true number one that's that impactful, that's getting

891
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty targets. You know, if you looked

892
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: at this Super Bowl and said, hey, you're playing the Patriots.

893
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: Are you playing the Seahawks? You say, oh, man, if

894
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: you the Patriots, you're following JSN. But then JSN goes

895
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: out early in that game and you're like, okay, so

896
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: who do you follow?

897
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 2: Now?

898
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 1: Here's nobody else worth worth following or dictating your defense

899
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 1: like that, So it kind of kills the point of it.

900
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: And on the other side, if you're playing the Patriots,

901
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 1: who you who you following with number one? Kashawan, Boody

902
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: Douglas is digs the guy, you know what I mean?

903
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: None of them are getting those kind of targets or

904
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 1: that kind of focus for you to say, hey, we

905
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: need to designate our defense to focus on this guy

906
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: and put our best player, uh and and kind of

907
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: tilt our defense that way.

908
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 2: In my opinion, Yeah, you.

909
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 3: Just brought up a something I was. You made me

910
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 3: realize Tarique wooling up. You know, you could probably get

911
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 3: him for a cheaper price than he was worth for

912
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 3: two years ago. So I mean, it's a lot of

913
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 3: free agent corners out there as well. I don't know

914
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 3: if I like this by the Rams. I really don't know,

915
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 3: but hey, I could they you know McVeigh, great head coach,

916
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 3: you can prove me wrong.

917
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 2: Right right, do your thing.

918
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: They might just put out a stat they've traded every

919
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: first round pick for the last ten years. Really, Yeah,

920
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen traded traded their pick to the Titans, twenty eighteen,

921
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: traded their pick to the Patriots, twenty nineteen to the Falcons,

922
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: twenty twenty to the Jags, twenty twenty one to the Jags,

923
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two to the Lions, twenty three to the

924
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 1: Lions twenty four they drafted Jared Verse.

925
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 2: So my bad, it wasn't all the whole ten year.

926
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 2: That's a lot. They always in the wind now seemed

927
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 2: like if you're getting up.

928
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 3: Your first round picks, I got Matt back here. I'm

929
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 3: in the win now until he retired at it ain't

930
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 3: no way until later. We're trying to win every Super

931
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 3: Bowl this year. So that's a good I mean, that's

932
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:43,720
Speaker 3: a good place to be in. That's a great place

933
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 3: to be in. That's a great place to be. You

934
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 3: feel like you always got a chance. And Matt is

935
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 3: one of them.

936
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 2: Dudes, man, for real, for real, he definitely is MVP.

937
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 2: Hey can't argue that.

938
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: But but we had a lot of respect for y'all

939
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: in what y'all did and y'all defense. And you know,

940
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: we go back for if it's all fun because we

941
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: just pride for players and we play.

942
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 2: You played at a high level, and we played.

943
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: At a high level, and everybody wants to be the

944
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: best and take pride in what they did. But as

945
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: you just said, defensive players can appreciate just great defense

946
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: being played, you know, And I love it even nowadays

947
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 1: when I see like the Seahawks defense and what they

948
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 1: did to the Patriots in the in the Super Bowl

949
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: and anytime there's a great defense. I loved what Denver

950
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: was doing all year, you know that what they had

951
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: going and uh and certain in them boys in Houston

952
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:34,280
Speaker 1: with them boys in Houston on it's crazy young boys

953
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 1: is playing good football.

954
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 2: So it's it's great to see that.

955
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:37,439
Speaker 3: Man.

956
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: Maybe you and me could collab more because I enjoyed this. Yeah,

957
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: joy seeing you getting getting the talk ball.

958
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 3: Nah, definitely we we gotta do it again, man, Like

959
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 3: you said, Uh, great collaboration.

960
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 2: I'm glad we got to do this. Man. Always a

961
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:52,479
Speaker 2: pleasure talking to you. Man.

962
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 3: Hey, we gonna leave it up to y'all, and y'all

963
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 3: argue amongst yourself.

964
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 2: Man, it's no.

965
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 3: Flies on leasion the bull. Who's your number one defensive

966
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,919
Speaker 3: all time? Leave it in the comments for show. Don't

967
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 3: forget to watch Richard Sherman's show, Watch Safety First Show

968
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 3: we on YouTube, Instagram, all that, man, leave it in

969
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:13,240
Speaker 3: the comments.

970
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: And as always, we appreciate you joining us. You could

971
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: be anywhere in the world, but you're here with us

972
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 1: and we surely do appreciate it. As he said, catch

973
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: the Safety First podcast or the Richard Sherman podcast, both

974
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: on YouTube. We obviously collabin right here, but thank you

975
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: guys for joining.

976
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Speaker 2: Appreciate you