1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the all neween Toyota Corolla. Welcome 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: to Stuff you Should Know from House Stuff Works dot com. Hey, 3 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark and Charles W. 4 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 1: Chuck Bryant's with me. Jerry's here, so it's the whole gang. 5 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: It's stuff you should know. What's that? It's our dude 6 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: little theme song that was good? Thank you? Can you 7 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: hear like trumpet's going? Doc Severnson baseline on that Doc Severnson? 8 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: That dates us. People are like, who's our senior halls guy? 9 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: Doc Severnson For people who don't know, was Johnny Carson's 10 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: band leader on the Tonight Show? And I don't remember 11 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: Arsenio was a band at all? Oh wait, it was 12 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: a dude. They're always the weirdest flakes with band leaders. Yeah, like, um, 13 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: Paul Shaffer, he's a little odd. I love the guy, 14 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: but here it's had odd. Didn't this guy wear like 15 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 1: tales like tuxedo? Remember with Tales and News for that matter? 16 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: Who was Chevy Chases and Magic Johnson's bands man? Remember 17 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: those ships? No? Yeah, short lived and that's why I 18 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: don't remember them. Uh, it's a chuck. Yes, Um, I wonder, 19 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: have you ever heard of diplomatic community? I have, because 20 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: I've seen Lethal Weapon two. What do you what is that? 21 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: That was the basically the premise of that whole movie. 22 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: Diplomatic Community was this South African diplomat who was I 23 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 1: think he was. He's just doing bad stuff. Oh yeah, 24 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: well that was the apartheid era, yeah, and it was 25 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: all under you know. He even said at one point 26 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: like I have diplomatic community. And that's when spoiler alert, 27 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: that's when Gibson shot him in the face. I don't 28 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: know about the face, but I think he killed him 29 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: and said something like immunity revoked. Man, I don't think 30 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:11,239 Speaker 1: he said that, yeah, exactly, wow, and said I don't 31 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 1: like Jewish people. I'm mel Gibson what a jerk? Wow? 32 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah you did. I'm calling him out as 33 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: an anti Semite right here, Jenish you put like an echo? Yeah? Um, 34 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: so uh sorry about that. I have heard of diplomatic community, okay, um. 35 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: I've seen Lethal Weapon too, I think, and I don't 36 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,399 Speaker 1: remember any of that. Yeah, I think it was part two. 37 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: Maybe I've just seen the one, which one is Joe Pesci. 38 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: I don't remember. You're thinking loaded weapon. That was good. Actually, 39 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: as far as Sposco, that one was pretty good. Yeah. 40 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, it was like hotshots level good. Anyway, Chuck. 41 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: A lot of people on Twitter, I want to know 42 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: what diplomatic community was or how it worked. Howd that 43 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: come up? I just asked. I was trying to think 44 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: of stuff to write about, so I was like, oh, 45 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: that's the people of Twitter. Um and a couple of 46 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 1: people said diplomatic community. So I was like, oh, that's 47 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: a good idea. So I would did a little research 48 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: and wrote a post and like, here we are, like 49 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: diplomatic community. We're about to explain it. It's like one 50 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: of those things that everybody knows about, but it doesn't 51 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: really know the nuts and bolts of it. I thought 52 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 1: it was very interesting and it's pretty easy to understand too, 53 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: especially if you take out my terrible sentences. They're not terrible. 54 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: The structure. You just like to write, man, you like words, Yeah, 55 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: you like to get those fingers a little too much. 56 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: It's like short sentence. What is that? I'll take three 57 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: of those things and put them together. I like it, though, 58 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: you man, why aren't you a novelist? I don't know, 59 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: work on that okay, okay, so um, we're talking diplomatic community. 60 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: It ain't anything new if at least four thousand years 61 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: old at least. And we know this because remember Hammurabi. 62 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: He was the first guy to come up with a 63 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: set of laws, the Code of Hammurabi. And it was like, 64 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: remember this thing. I don't remember what we talked about 65 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: it in but it was like, if you see someone 66 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 1: burning their house burning and you go to help them 67 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 1: get their stuff out of their house, but you steal something, 68 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: you're put to death. There's a lot of smiting. If 69 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: you covet your neighbor's goat, you're put to death. And 70 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: he came up with the eye for an eye here, um, 71 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: and it was the first set of laws. Hammurabi also 72 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: has the distinction of being the first person who is 73 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: documented to have broken the spirit of diplomatic community. Yeah, 74 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: he may be responsible for the phrase kill the messenger. Yeah, 75 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: I don't think he killed anybody. He didn't know shun 76 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: smite the messenger, don't protect the messenger if you don't 77 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 1: like his news exactly. That's kind of what it came 78 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: down to. But his his basically, some someone sent an 79 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: envoy and I don't know what the message was or 80 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: who sent the envoy. There was probably like only two 81 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: or three other civilizations at the time, so it had 82 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: to be one of them. Um. But they they he 83 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: didn't like what they had to say, so he said, 84 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not providing your protection back to 85 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: your homeland. Good luck because and he was essentially a 86 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: diplomat being set loose without protection, right, which is in 87 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: violation of the diplomatic community of one part of it. 88 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: That's Um. Thomas Jefferson didn't like the idea so much. 89 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 1: He thought, well, this doesn't make any sense. You're basically 90 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 1: just giving permission for spies to get in there and 91 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: do what the heck they want. Yeah, and he he Um. 92 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: That was also the sentiment of the French Revolution, the 93 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: people who ran the French Revolution and the post revolution government, 94 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 1: And which is kind of funny because Thomas Jefferson was 95 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 1: the ambassador to France during that time and he was saying, 96 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: diplomatic community doesn't make any sense, even though I enjoy it, Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Uh, 97 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: and you point out that it's really kind of the 98 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: same over the years, and in fact, um almost wrongly, 99 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: has not changed much over the years. Yeah. Like it's 100 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 1: it was one of those things that was perfected pretty 101 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: early on, I mean around the time of Hamma Rabbi, 102 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: and then it was added to in the Renaissance, and yeah, 103 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: it hasn't changed. And now it's kind of the point 104 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: where yeah, it probably should change. Yeah, they should maybe 105 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: look into the nuts and bolts of it a little bit. 106 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: So the first concept, the one that Hamma Rabbi violated, 107 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 1: is this concept, this principle of personal and viold inviolable. Oh, man, 108 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: I knew I was going to have a problem with 109 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: this one. Inviolability. Yeah, it's a mouthful. You can't violate 110 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: the person of a diplomat as part of diplomatic community, 111 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: that's right. And you make a very good point in 112 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:00,040 Speaker 1: here that um it's it's a great concept, but it 113 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: is only a strong concept if people observe it, because 114 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: if they don't, then you know, there it goes right 115 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: out the window. It's almost like an honor code, it is. 116 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: It's it's saying, like you, this diplomat is untouchable, but 117 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: also your diplomat is untouchable when they come to my country. 118 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: Don't kill mine and won't kill yours, right, And it 119 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: works the other way too. If I kill yours, you're 120 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: gonna kill mine. So it's this kind of um truce 121 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: between nations that have um diplomatic missions within one another 122 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: that you don't touch our people, we don't touch your people. 123 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: To diplomat it is sacra saying yeah, but a tenuous one. 124 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: Back in the day, it sounds like it sounds like 125 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: it could go go south and turn into you killed mine, 126 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: I'll kill yours. It could. Um. There was Genghis Khan. 127 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: Actually Um was a an incredibly progressive ruler. You mean 128 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: ginge hiss Jengis That's right, Jengis is it? Jingis? Yes? Okay, 129 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: that's I mean at least at firm bank. How was 130 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: that where we learned that? Yeah, Jengis Khan um he uh. 131 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: He was very much an observer of diplomatic community, and 132 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: he sent an envoy to the a mirror of Kara's Charasaman. 133 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: I believe it was in modern day Iran. It was 134 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: in modern day Iran, uh in parts of Afghanistan. He 135 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: said this envoy saying like, hey, I'm the ruler of 136 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: the land where the sun rises. You're the ruler of 137 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: the land where the sun sets. Let's establish a friendly 138 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: peace treaty and trade relations. Yea. And he took it 139 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: really seriously, like if you messed around with that with him, 140 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 1: it would it was bad news for you. Right. Well, 141 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: the Amir did mess around with it. He had the envoy, 142 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 1: the five hundred Muslim strong envoy from the Mongols killed 143 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: and had two Mongol representatives shaved and sent back to 144 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: Genghisa on Jengis Khan, and Jengis con said say goodbye 145 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 1: to your empire and I'm going to utterly destroy And 146 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:11,959 Speaker 1: he didn't because specifically because the diplomatic community of his 147 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: people was violated by the ruler. So before we move on, 148 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: I think it's a good time for a message break. 149 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: Where were we? So there were lots of envoys, some 150 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: respect in some violation early on, right, But even when 151 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: it was violated, some rulers have said no, still not 152 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 1: going to do anything about it. Like Darius the first 153 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: movie the three hundred. Uh yeah, not there. It's not 154 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: the three hundred, No, it's just three hundred. But yeah, 155 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: I saw it. It's like Edie brick Hell and New Bohemians. 156 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: It's like it wasn't look at her now, all right, 157 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: So why is it the three hundred. Yeah, it's just 158 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: three d Well. Anyway, that actually happened at the beginning, 159 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: you know where he kick the envoy into the pit. 160 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't know if he actually kicked him 161 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: into a pit. But the Spartans did killed two envoys 162 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: from Darius the first and he had some Spartan nobles 163 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: with him when he learned the news, and he refused 164 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: to harm them because he said, quote, it would wreak 165 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: havoc of all human law. Yeah, basically, it would send 166 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 1: us down this path of retribution back and forth. And 167 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: and you know it might not even be a law anymore. 168 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: You don't touch diplomats, don't touch him. And again, this 169 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,959 Speaker 1: thing has been so ingrained chuck for so long that, um, 170 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: there was a power vacuum that was left after Rome fell, 171 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: and uh, there were a couple of hundred years before 172 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: Charlemagne was pronounced the ruler of the Holy Roman Empire. 173 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 1: And during this time in between those two, in this 174 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: power vacuum, it was so well established that you didn't 175 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: mess with a diplomat that to kill a diplomat would 176 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: have been like a greater crime than killing a king 177 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: in many cases. Yeah, and the you know it should 178 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: be obvious why you need to protect diplomats, but I 179 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: guess we should just state diplomats. It's rooted in the 180 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: word diplomacy. They are there to be brokers of peace 181 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: between nations, or at the very least, ah, brokers of 182 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: messages of peace and trying to avoid war. Like they're 183 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: not like negotiating peace. But they're they're almost well they 184 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: are in some cases, but almost said they're neutral. They're 185 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: not neutral, but there is a certain neutrality to being 186 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: a messenger. I think, yeah, and and yes some of them. 187 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: It's and it isn't just messages, it's part of it, 188 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: but it is brokering peace, attempting to bring peace or 189 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,959 Speaker 1: maintain peace between two countries. And so this is kind 190 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: of a special talent. It's a special job and as 191 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: such it must be afforded special protection because if they 192 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: weren't protected, they would be killed, and if they were killed, 193 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: no one would want to do it. If no one 194 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: would want to do it, then there would be more war. 195 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: Right plus speaking of war, if since a diplomat is 196 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: often the last person in a country trying to broke 197 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: her peace between that country and the diplomats country, if 198 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: the peace negotiations fall through, the diplomat has to be 199 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: able to get out of that country. Yeah, usually or 200 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: hopefully with the assistance of the host country. Yeah. And 201 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: that still happens today. As you point out, you go 202 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: to New York City and you might on any given 203 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: day see the New York Police Department escorting diplomat cars 204 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: back and forth between the U N and the W hotel, 205 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: right or wherever they like to stay. Um, So it's 206 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: still still very much, very much the same, like, you know, 207 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: not only protection, but like safe passage. In World War Two, 208 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 1: apparently the Nazis um gave safe passage to the diplomats, 209 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: the Allied diplomats in the country when war was declared. Yeah, 210 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: all right, which is kind of surprising. And then Benghazi 211 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: was a big deal in part because the Libyan government 212 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: was expected to protect the people who populate the embassies 213 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: in that country. Yeah, and Christopher Stevens was killed. Yeah. 214 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: US ambassador is it an ambassador the same thing as 215 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: a diplomat. It's a type of diplomat, but a diplomat 216 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: isn't necessarily an ambassador. That's right, because we'll find out 217 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: there are lots of people who have diplomatic status. Yeah, 218 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: you can be an antiche and emissary, you all. There's 219 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: all sorts of things a company typically, Yeah, in the US, 220 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 1: the diplomat or the head diplomat is the ambassador. And 221 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: it also applies to UM, to the family and the 222 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: domestic workers. Yeah, people that work for you. Um, if 223 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: you have a driver, if you have a made your car, housekeeper, 224 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: your car. It's all protected under diplomatic community. And you 225 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: know what, my friend John, I wonder if you ever 226 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: wrote this. My friend John in l A wrote a 227 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: book about called Embassy Kids that I don't think he 228 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: ever got published. That sounded really good to me, and 229 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: it was about diplomat kids in New York City in 230 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: the eighties. Just raising Hell. Yeah, I need to call 231 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: him and ask him about that, because I always thought 232 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: it was a great idea for a book. Call him 233 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: right now. We have fine, that's right. UM, So you 234 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: just brought up the second principle. There's two principles that um. 235 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: Modern diplomacy and diplomatic community is based on personal and 236 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: violability and extra territoriality. Yeah, that one's kind of neat, 237 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: and that's what we just touched on it. It is 238 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: the house, you live in, the car, you drive everywhere 239 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: you are. Basically it might as well be your homeland. Yeah, 240 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: it's considered to be situated on your home soil. So 241 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: therefore the cops have about as much right uh to 242 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: rating those places, are entering those places unbidden as they 243 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: would your house in your native country. And that's the 244 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: type of legal fiction like I'm in my car, I'm 245 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: gonna smoke some weed and blow it in your face cop. Yeah, 246 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: and you can't do anything about it. Okay, So here's 247 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: here's here's part of a misconception. Technically, the cop can 248 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: very much do something about it. They can arrest you, 249 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: They can take you to jail, they can hold you 250 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: until you have a hearing, and then once you have 251 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: a hearing, then you're going to come face to face 252 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: with the brick while a diplomatic community, because the court 253 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: is going to say, we have zero jurisdiction over this 254 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: person and you have to let them go and drop 255 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: all charges. So basically, they can disrupt your life. Um, 256 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: which they probably would if you blew pot smoke in 257 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: their face. Yeah, but they might not if it was 258 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: something else because they're like, it's not worth the trouble. Right, 259 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: So I've got I have a whole um a little 260 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: scene here that displays all this. Right, let's do it. Okay, 261 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: we're in England, very nice. Uh, And there's a Russian 262 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: diplomat who is leaving the country to go back to Russia. 263 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: He's drunk on vodka. He's drunk on something because he's 264 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: racked up quite a bit of debt at this particular pub. Well, 265 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: the public owner finds out that he's about to leave 266 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: and stiff him and he grabs the guy has him 267 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: grabbed and is holding him, jailing him at his pub. 268 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: At the time, this is perfectly legal, like there were 269 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: debtors prisons, Like if you're a debtor, you had not 270 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: that many rights, right, Yeah, he got he wanted his rubles, yeah, 271 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: from the Russian. So um Peter the Great finds out 272 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: about this and it's contexts um Elizabeth the First and says, hey, 273 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: just wrang her up. Yeah, Liz, Well, you can imagine 274 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: like how long this correspondence is taking. This guy was 275 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: being held in the pub. So um Peter the Great 276 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 1: asked for his envoys release and Elizabeth the First said, yes, 277 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,360 Speaker 1: of course, we'll release him. And not only that you too, 278 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: who are legally holding this man in your pub You're 279 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 1: going to jail? Like, what do we do? And she's 280 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: like just shut up, um, And then England passed an 281 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: act I think the following year that said foreign embassies 282 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: are untouchable and outside the jurisdiction in the law, including debt. 283 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: Cod Yes, so what your codified personal and violability and 284 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 1: extra territoriality in this act? And it does it? It 285 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 1: reveals something else about diplomatic community corruption. Yeah, but what's 286 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: the deal with debt is that can't still be true? Right? Like? 287 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: You can't come over here and rack up a bunch 288 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: of debt and then just leave it, can you? As 289 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:49,640 Speaker 1: far as I know, as far as I could tell 290 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 1: you can. The problem is it's very hard to do 291 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: because if somebody finds out you have diplomatic community, they're 292 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: not going to extend your line of credit because you 293 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: can legally walk out. Yeah, and you're well, I guess 294 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: it depends on who you are and how a corruptive 295 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,719 Speaker 1: a person you are. But if you're interested in remaining 296 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: a diplomat, you're gonna keep your nose clean and not 297 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: do stuff like that. Sure, Now, I don't think that's 298 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: too much trouble for a diplomat to get credit. But 299 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: the line of credits coming from their home country, like 300 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 1: they have their credit card or whatever from their home country, 301 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: so they don't they don't need to establish the line 302 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: of credit the local tailor that they can just get 303 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 1: spindy with their own rubles um. But that does illustrate 304 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: a big problem like corruption still remains. It might not 305 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 1: be in racking up debt and leaving, which it could still, 306 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: but there's corruption all over the place. Because when you 307 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: send a diplomat to a foreign country, you're saying you 308 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: can't be prosecuted. Yeah, yeah, and it's that's a very 309 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: tantalizing situation. Like you said, I think if you're a 310 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: career diplomat, you're gonna keep your nose clean. Yeah, but 311 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 1: I bet you prostitution happens. I bet you illegal drugs 312 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: happen more than you would think. Apparently, drinking and driving 313 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: is an enormous thing. Drinking and driving, And we'll get 314 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: to the traffic tickets, but that's obviously a big one. 315 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 1: Because you can just park wherever the heck you want. 316 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter, so technically you're still under when you're 317 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: in a foreign country with diplomatic community, you're subject to 318 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: the laws of your homeland then, um and the courts 319 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 1: and all that jurisdiction. And that has happened here and 320 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:28,199 Speaker 1: there over the years, Like people have been recalled and 321 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 1: prosecuted for crimes they committed in another country with diplomatic community. 322 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: They've been tried and prosecuted for it back in their 323 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 1: home countries or that law. As we'll see with some 324 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: of these UH instances, sometimes it's a hand slap and 325 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: removal of your credentials as a diplomat, like you can't 326 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: do this anymore. You're fired essentially, but we're not going 327 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: to like prosecute you. But the the depending on the crime, 328 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: depending on the person too, um, the sending government, the 329 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: that the diplomats home country is ruled by might very 330 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: well just look the other way. Traffic tickets, like you said, 331 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: it depends on what it is. Let's talk traffic tickets. 332 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: In two thousand eleven July of two thousand eleven, the 333 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: city of New York, which is where the u N 334 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 1: is situated, so there's tons of diplomats running around, they 335 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: were owed it was sixteen point seven million dollars and 336 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: unpaid traffic tickets from people with diplomatic community in that month. 337 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: Now not just that month, but in that month, if 338 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 1: you took a snapshot of how much money was the 339 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: total that was owed. Yeah, we found a great cracked 340 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: um article the sixth and most Ridiculous Abuses of Diplomatic Community, 341 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: and they did cover the parking tickets and between and 342 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:55,199 Speaker 1: two thousand two foreign diplomats got more than a hundred 343 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: and fifty thousand parking tickets, not fines, a hundred and 344 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: fifty thousand tickets. And they broke it down that is 345 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 1: seventy parking tickets a day. And they're like, you would 346 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: almost literally have to try hard to do illegal things 347 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: in your car to wrack up that many parking tickets. 348 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: And that is what accrued eventually to like close to 349 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 1: seventeen million bucks. They said the biggest defender was Russia 350 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: with thirty two thousand unpaid parking tickets. That's awesome. Yeah, 351 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: that's really justlike thumbing your nose. And you know, if 352 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: you ever been in driving in New York and you 353 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: see people, if you see a diplomat double park, I 354 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: don't know how to finish that sentence. I was gonna 355 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: recommend something, but I don't know what to do. Yell 356 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: and scream. Yeah, I mean anything. If you slash the 357 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: tires on their car, that's you're You're in trouble. You 358 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 1: don't have diplomatic community. Just pick up that condom off 359 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: the sidewalk and throw it at him. So there's a 360 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: what is a Coney Island white face? Yeah, don't pick 361 00:21:55,760 --> 00:22:00,360 Speaker 1: those up. Actually, Um, that's good advice, chuck. Uh. So 362 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: you are required to follow the laws of your host 363 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: country as per the u N Convention on Diplomatic Community. 364 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 1: From h They don't just say go do anything you want. 365 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 1: They say you can't be prosecuted. Yes, Um, I'm supposed 366 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: to be a good boy. And there are cases, like 367 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:23,239 Speaker 1: you said, there's there's people who have been prosecuted. For 368 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: the most part, though it's it's looked the other way, 369 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: especially on things like speeding, traffic tickets, parking tickets, driving 370 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: drunk um. And because this extends to the person's home 371 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: and to their workers, their employees um, some people have 372 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 1: been accused lately, especially of human trafficking. Because your house 373 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: is considered sovereign soil um, it's outside of American labor laws. 374 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: So you can write a contract with somebody in your 375 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: home country and say, come work for us. We'll work 376 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 1: you forty hours a week and you get Sundays off 377 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: and you only have to prepare three meals a day, 378 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 1: and um, it's gonna be easy. It will pay you 379 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: X amount of dollars and when they get to your house, 380 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 1: you can literally tear the contract up in front of them, 381 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: lock the doors to keep them from leaving, and work 382 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: them like a dog. Um. The thing is is this 383 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 1: violates not just American law, but international law. That's human trafficking. 384 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 1: And it's apparently like unnervingly frequent. How often this happens. 385 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: Maybe not in lock the door and work you for 386 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: no money for a hundred and fifty hours a week, 387 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: but to some degree. Anytime there's somebody who feels like 388 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: they're not free to come and go as they please, 389 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 1: they're not being paid what they were told they were 390 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 1: going to be paid, that's a violation. Um. And so yeah, 391 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 1: they're starting to call it what it is, which is 392 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: human trafficking, which I predict will mean that it drops 393 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 1: off dramatically. It's kidnap thing. Yeah, it's false imprisonment, forced labor. 394 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: So let's say these are well that's not minor offense, 395 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: but speeding and things like that, or minor offenses. They're 396 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,959 Speaker 1: willing to look the other way if they do something 397 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: really bad, Um, then sometimes you can't look the other way, 398 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: and you actually have to address it. If you're the 399 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: country that sent them, boy, who's in trouble, well, you 400 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: gotta address it between the two countries, Like we got 401 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: a situation here this this dude did something really bad 402 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 1: and we really need to like settle this. We can't 403 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: turn the other cheek. This thing going away. It's not 404 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 1: going away. Um. And that means you can recall a person, 405 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: declare them persona non grata, and say I want them 406 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 1: out of here. Yes, that's if you're the host country. 407 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: You you're the one who declares them persona non grata. Exactly, 408 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 1: I want them to be expelled, basically go back to 409 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: where you came from. Persona non grata apparently literally means 410 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: um unwelcome person. That's right. And if you're declared persona 411 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: non grata, especially if you're a career diplomat, that's a 412 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: big deal because you have X amount of hours or 413 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: days to leave that country or else that country saying 414 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,439 Speaker 1: you don't have diplomatic community anymore, and we're gonna prosecute you. 415 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: The best thing your government can do in that situation 416 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,919 Speaker 1: is recall you, hopefully before you're officially declared persona on 417 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: grata um. If you are declared persona on grata they 418 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 1: basically have to recall you. And if they don't recall you, 419 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,199 Speaker 1: that means your government has just left you twisting in 420 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: the wind because you're you're you're gonna have to leave 421 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: on your own accord, pay for your own ticket, and 422 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 1: your government is not backing you up any longer. They're 423 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: not recalling you. They're just saying, yeah, go ahead and 424 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: prosecute this person. Yeah, but that can the recall thing 425 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: can open up a big can of worms. Um. Like 426 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: in two thousand eleven, this contractor, defense contractor named Raymond 427 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 1: Davis killed a couple of would be assassins you remember that, 428 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: Yeah and um in Pakistan, And basically he was he 429 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: was not a diplomat, but he was under their under 430 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: diplomatic community. He was a like a CIA contractor. Yeah 431 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: and um. So basically they had to break a broker 432 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 1: a deal between the United States and Pakistan, in which 433 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: Pakistan said, you know what we want to We have 434 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: a list of three thirty one Americans now that we 435 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: think are shy in some way, so we want all 436 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: of them recalled. And the US was sort of like, 437 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: I really, you know, their hands were kind of tied, 438 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 1: probably because this Davis guy had killed two people. So 439 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 1: did all those people get recalled in the end? All yeah, 440 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: And as far as they know that, the deal was 441 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 1: that they didn't. Um, they weren't declared persona on grata, 442 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: which means that they could come back and try again, 443 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: I guess or whatever. But um, that that's the can 444 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: of worms. Like you could potentially it could be a 445 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: good thing for a country like Pakistan and be like, oh, 446 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: this is our chance to get all these people recalled exactly, 447 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 1: and that's what they did. They used diplomatic community. There 448 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 1: were the tenants of it to basically rid the country 449 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: of spies or contractors who whatever they were doing. I 450 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: guess Pakistan just thought they were shady folks. So um, 451 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: there's also you're not supposed to take declaring somebody persona 452 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: on grata lightly some countries to some countries are just like, 453 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: oh you're criticizing me publicly, your persona on grata, get 454 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 1: out of here, and like that's how they deal with 455 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,360 Speaker 1: dissent among foreign ambassadors is just by declaring him persona 456 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 1: on grata and um, under international law, the the host 457 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: country doesn't have to give any reason why they declared 458 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 1: him persona not really, Yeah, that's just you're gonna never 459 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,880 Speaker 1: coming back exactly. Yes. Um, you also make a good point. 460 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,959 Speaker 1: We talked earlier about how it might should be changing 461 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 1: these days. It was created at a time where things 462 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: were a lot different back then, Uh kings like you 463 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 1: couldn't even prosecut uh the ruling class back then. Yeah, 464 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 1: you couldn't even raise a dissent. Yeah, you had to 465 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: overthrow them. That's how you handle that. But then that change, 466 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 1: Yet diplomatic community stayed firmly entrenched. Right, you can sue 467 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: a government, you can see the government's leaders typically, Um, 468 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 1: there's you have. The average person has recourse. As difficult 469 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,919 Speaker 1: as it may be, the people who are running the 470 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 1: show aren't totally untouchable like they were when personal and 471 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:36,360 Speaker 1: viability was established. Um, it doesn't take weeks to get 472 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: back to your homeland and along bandit ridden caravan lines 473 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: or that you need the same passage. Yeah. So there's 474 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: there's all these what are now kind of quaint rules 475 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: that are associated with diplomacy and diplomatic community. And then 476 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: what's more, there's a lot more people who have diplomatic 477 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: community than used to, especially following World War one and two. Yeah, 478 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: and I didn't realize this. International organizations, um, that don't 479 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: have borders, they generally all operate with diplomatic community. And 480 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: even you pointed out the Inter American Tropical Tunic Commission 481 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: operates in their family and everyone they work with operates 482 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: with diplomatic community. So it's not just diplomats, like, not 483 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: even close. Right, there was a run on diplomatic community 484 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: after the first two world wars, and um, yeah, it's 485 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: all over the place, so a lot of people have it, 486 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: and these um the immunity is way more sweeping and 487 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: broad than is necessary. Yeah. So there's this this third 488 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: principle that's part of the u N Convention from nineteen 489 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: sixty one that a lot of people, especially career diplomats, 490 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: are calling for to be exercises called functional necessity. Yeah, 491 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: and it's in there, but it's just not uh No 492 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: one pays much attention to it. It's like the the 493 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: wet blanket principle of diplomatic community. Yes, it basically says you, uh, 494 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: it's just whatever you need to do to function in 495 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: your job is what's protected. Yes, so if you want 496 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: to go out and get hookers and and have a 497 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: card game, but it's not an official function, it's not 498 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: an official function, and you should not be protected for that, 499 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: and that's in there. But just it just sounds like 500 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: no one pays attention to it, right And well, the reason, 501 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: one of the reasons, one of the very good reasons 502 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: why people don't pay attention to it is because it's 503 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,239 Speaker 1: kind of subjective. It's like, okay, so you should have 504 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: to pay your parking ticket or else you get in 505 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: trouble or something like that. But what if the diplomat 506 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: has a really important message that has to be delivered 507 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: right then in person they don't have time to get 508 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: wouldn't that be considered like an official function, like not 509 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: like double parking right then? Um, or that prostitute was 510 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: really attractive. I mean, there's definitely a line obviously, but 511 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: but um, no one's very much interested in exploring or 512 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: not enough people are interested in exploring it. And it's 513 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: not like you can go to the u N and say, 514 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: you guys need to carry out functional necessity and that's it. 515 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: Because the u N as recently as two UM invoked 516 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: diplomatic community again for itself. Uh. After the Haitian earthquake, 517 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: a bunch of Nepalese soldiers were sent down there to 518 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: help like rebuild the country stabilize it, and um they 519 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: weren't screened for cholera, and there was a cholera outbreak 520 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: uh and eight thousand Haitians died as a result. And 521 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: the u N s a diplomatic community. So they're not 522 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: interested in digging in too much, right because they use 523 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: it themselves. So the other reason why it's probably not 524 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: going to change very much is because this same structure 525 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: that like allows a little diplomats, you know, Brady kid 526 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: driving his Ferrari like a hundred and fifty down a 527 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: residential street, keeps him from going to jail, is also 528 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: the same system that keeps this global spycraft agreement that 529 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: everybody has alive. Yeah, it's very interesting. Nobody's going to 530 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 1: give that up. So that's diplomatic community. Man, do you 531 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: you said you have some this cracked article with some 532 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: egregious Yeah, these are true stories. Um, six most ridiculous abuses. Um. 533 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: One of them was pretty good. A Mexican attache apparently 534 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: when you go into meetings at and I love this, 535 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: when you go into meetings at the White House, everyone 536 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: has to leave their cell phone outside, uh to be 537 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: cared for, like you don't care to be watered and yeah, 538 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: well know, but um, you know you can't carry yourself 539 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: phones into meetings, which I think is awesome. Um. And 540 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: in uh two thousand eight Mexican press at at a 541 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 1: Raphael Cantaro Curial um took a big took all those phones, 542 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: like just nicked the bun of blackberries. Uh. They literally 543 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: got on a plane and stopped him after they saw 544 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 1: security camera footage of him doing it. And he was like, 545 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: I don't know what it's talking about. I didn't do 546 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 1: this on the plane, and they showed him the footage 547 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: and he went like, oh, I did do that, he said, UM, 548 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: actually it was an accident. I just found all those 549 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: that bag of phones and I thought they were lost, 550 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: and I was going to give him to the driver 551 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: of the car and I just forgot And that's why 552 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: I have all of them, and um, then he waved 553 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: this diplomatic community pass and they had to let him go. 554 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: They got the phones back. So that that flies in 555 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: the face of something I learned, like, I don't think 556 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: they can. I don't think a diplomat, an individual can 557 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 1: wave their own immunity. It's up to the host nation 558 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: to wave diplomatic community for a person. Well they eventually did. 559 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: Um yeah that he no, not waved, he waved as 560 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: in like invoked invoked. I mean he waved in their face, 561 00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 1: like waved without the eye. Yeah. Um, so they had 562 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: to let him go. They got the phones back when 563 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: he got back home. Um, he was fired of course, 564 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 1: and didn't get much like a punishment or what would 565 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: you steal a bunch of phones? It's so dumb. I 566 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: guess blake berries are worth a lot. It's funny you 567 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: can't take your phone into meetings in the White House. 568 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,840 Speaker 1: I wonder how many times they've tried to figure out 569 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,280 Speaker 1: who was in the star of that hockey movie young Blood, 570 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: and no one could figure it out because no one 571 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 1: had a phone roblo. Yeah. Uh. And then they have 572 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: number one on the list a murder um in nineteen 573 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: seventy nine, a Burmese ambassador to Sri Lanka found out 574 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 1: his wife was having an affair, killed her, built a 575 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: funeral pyre in his front yard, which again is legally 576 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 1: Burmese soil, and burned her body in full view of 577 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: the press and the police, and they were unable to 578 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 1: do anything. And he remained ambassador. Wow, burned shot and 579 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 1: killed his wife, burned her alive in front of the cops. Well, 580 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: if there's uh, if it's fall owing the law custom 581 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: in his home country, then that's a pretty perfect example 582 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 1: in diplomatic community. Man, that's crazy. And then just this 583 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,839 Speaker 1: week in the news, this last thing. Um in mid July, 584 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 1: Joshua Wald, he's an officer at the American embassy in Nairobi, 585 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 1: he was driving too fast in his suv um hit 586 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,720 Speaker 1: a little minibus and killed a man and injured eight people. 587 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,760 Speaker 1: And then immediately after that he was questioned by the cops. 588 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,240 Speaker 1: He left, his statement, invoked diplomatic community, got his family 589 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 1: and got the heck out of there the next day. 590 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 1: And there are a lot of angry people saying, hold on, 591 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: this guy's needs to answer for this somehow. Um, you 592 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 1: can't just evacuate him and protect him although they definitely can. 593 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,359 Speaker 1: So there are people on you know, Facebook of course 594 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: and social media trying to get some attention for this, 595 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: and we'll see what happens. I don't know how that 596 00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 1: one's gonna play out. What when was that July? Wow? Yeah, yeah, 597 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,760 Speaker 1: he's like, see you later, yep to the Memories of America, 598 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,439 Speaker 1: Smell you later. Jerry does say that, doesn't she? Yeah? 599 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: Does that bug you? He acted lucky? Didn't like it. 600 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:17,799 Speaker 1: It's just so juvenile. So I got nothing else. Diplomatic 601 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 1: Community is done. We did it. Uh. If you want 602 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 1: to learn more about it, you're gonna have to go 603 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: onto our website. Cans how stuff works. Doesn't have an article, friends, 604 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: we have the article on it. Just go to stuff 605 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: you Should Know dot com and type Diplomatic Community in 606 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 1: the search bar. We have one of those two. And 607 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 1: since I said we have one of those two, it's 608 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:46,279 Speaker 1: time for Yeah. Uh, I'm gonna call this objection seat stuff. Hey, guys, 609 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 1: been listening for a while a couple of years now. 610 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,880 Speaker 1: It's become my favorite mental escape while I perform menial 611 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: tasks of life. Just listen to the Ejection Seat podcast 612 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 1: and was inspired to write I've been a fan of 613 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 1: aviation since I was a kid, and they've learned a 614 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,240 Speaker 1: lot in the past forty years. Listening to the ramblings 615 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: about ejection seats, thanks for that, UH, reminded me of 616 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: a story I heard a few years ago. It's about 617 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 1: a U. S. Navy navigator, Lieutenant Keith Gallagher, who survived 618 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 1: Did you hear about that? Okay? He survived a misfire 619 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 1: of his ejection seat. Basically, he was the second guy 620 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: in a two man crew flying in an A six intruder. 621 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 1: One day, while flying a routine mission, his seat misfired, 622 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,319 Speaker 1: blasted him through the canopy, then stopped. He was still 623 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,000 Speaker 1: attached to the seat lower body in the cockpit, but 624 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 1: his upper body was hanging out a jacket hole with 625 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 1: like one arm sticking up. You think there was a 626 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 1: picture of it. The pilot incredibly remained calm and in 627 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,239 Speaker 1: control and managed to land the aircraft back on the 628 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 1: carrier with Gallagher still flailing around in the slip stream. 629 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 1: If you check out this link, there are first hand 630 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 1: accounts from the crew, photos and even a video of 631 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: the landing. And that is at UH www dot gallagher 632 00:37:56,120 --> 00:38:01,320 Speaker 1: dot com. Slash ejection underscore seat and pretty amazing stuff. 633 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,799 Speaker 1: Had I been in that situation, my first response would 634 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 1: have been to soil myself and start crying, not necessarily 635 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 1: in that order. Keep up the awesomeness that is from 636 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 1: Matt in Bristow v A. Thanks Matt. Yeah, did you 637 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,799 Speaker 1: check out those photos? Yeah, dude was hanging out. The 638 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 1: link went to this long post on it. Pretty detailed 639 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 1: stuff that sneake, but the guys like alive and well, 640 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 1: good for him, like a massive limb floyl suffered massive limployel. Yeah, 641 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 1: if you've read something that has something to do with 642 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,799 Speaker 1: something we said something, Uh, we want to know about it, 643 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 1: like we love stuff like that. Like that's how we 644 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,840 Speaker 1: found out. Do you remember seem Ohia the White Death 645 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 1: for Finland. We had no idea about him, but we 646 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: did an episode on the Japanese stragglers and somebody wrote 647 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 1: in and says, you thought this guy was bad. I 648 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 1: can't remember his name, Lieutenant something. Oh, yeah, I can't 649 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,799 Speaker 1: remember was Auti Murphy? No, No, he was on the list. 650 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 1: We Yeah, we had like a contest to find like 651 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 1: the baddest dude of World War Two, and we put 652 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 1: up the Japanese straggler who fought the war for another 653 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 1: thirty years. Up there, somebody put up body Murphy, and 654 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,319 Speaker 1: then somebody else put up seam Ohia, who we may 655 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,799 Speaker 1: never have come across. Have we not heard from a 656 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 1: listener like Matt who told us about this guy suffering 657 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 1: massive bloom flail from an injection seat malfunction. My point 658 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 1: is we like hearing about stuff that we don't know about, 659 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 1: and if we didn't mention in the podcast, the chances 660 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 1: aren't we didn't hear about it um and we do 661 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 1: want to know about it, so let us know. You 662 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,239 Speaker 1: can tweet to us at s Y s K podcast. 663 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,879 Speaker 1: You can join us on Facebook dot com slash Stuff 664 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 1: you Should Know. You can send us an email with 665 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,879 Speaker 1: this info to Stuff Podcast at discovery dot com. And 666 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 1: you should check out our website because we got stuff 667 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,760 Speaker 1: you don't know that we want you to know about. 668 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,360 Speaker 1: Right that made sense. Our website is called Stuff you 669 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:05,680 Speaker 1: Should Know dot com m for more on this and 670 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,319 Speaker 1: thousands of other topics. Is it how stuff works dot 671 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 1: com M Brought to you by the all newteen Toyota 672 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 1: Corolla