Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal. I'm that for me. I'm
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Speaker 1: and Tie, welcome back to the solid verbal, boys and girls.
Speaker 1: My name is Ty Hildebrandt, joining me as always still
Speaker 1: way over there in beautiful sunny southern California. My man
Speaker 1: Dan Rubenstein, sir, how are you.
Speaker 2: I've got a little indigestion. Oh, all things considered, Yeah,
Speaker 2: what they made breakfast tacos for lunch, and they were
Speaker 2: a little spicy, and I I think I overestimated my
Speaker 2: ability to handle the spice, or underestimated, as it were.
Speaker 2: And so here we are. I feel good, though, And
Speaker 2: there's something about some of these teams that we're discussing
Speaker 2: on part two of First Place Losers that it's definitely
Speaker 2: gonna cool off my digestion track with some of what
Speaker 2: they did or didn't accomplished high So I'm confident I'm
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Speaker 1: have got much to get through. Last week, we did
Speaker 1: something called first place Losers. It was we did runners
Speaker 1: up between the two thousand and five season in two
Speaker 1: thousand and nine college football season. Not only did we
Speaker 1: talk about each of those teams and put their seasons
Speaker 1: and their final games and context, we also ranked them
Speaker 1: against one another. At the end of that deathmatch, we
Speaker 1: had two thousand and five USC effectively running the table
Speaker 1: in that first grouping of five and coming out on
Speaker 1: the other end. So as we get into some of
Speaker 1: these teams, we're going to compare them all to two
Speaker 1: thousand and five USC. And see how they rank till
Speaker 1: the plan.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean, there's no right answer here, but
Speaker 2: it's our show, so who cares. I am ready to
Speaker 2: do this, especially since this is going to be us
Speaker 2: dissecting and diagnose everything that went wrong with a couple
Speaker 2: of unfortunate versions of our favorite teams.
Speaker 1: We get to talk about Oregon twice in Notre Dame once.
Speaker 1: Why are we doing on the show again? It was
Speaker 1: your idea, don't ask me.
Speaker 2: Because we are honoring teams that came up just shorts
Speaker 2: and here's okay, this is what I'm going to ask you, Ty,
Speaker 2: Let's just let's be organized for once in our lives.
Speaker 1: What yeah, I know.
Speaker 2: Okay, here, here are I've come up with five questions, Ty,
Speaker 2: what is what is the sort of season that led
Speaker 2: this team to this point? So in our first case
Speaker 2: would be the twenty ten Oregon team. We are not
Speaker 2: going to be labor Oregon Auburn since we've already discussed
Speaker 2: this game on our our rewatch game from a few
Speaker 2: weeks ago, but we'll put into more context and talk
Speaker 2: about the season a little bit more around it. Could
Speaker 2: Oregon have beaten Auburn or you know, any of these teams.
Speaker 2: So could this first place loser have beaten the first
Speaker 2: place team ultimately? What held them back? Is there a
Speaker 2: decent what if about another team perhaps also high up
Speaker 2: in I think all of these are BCS rankings this episode, right,
Speaker 2: I think Florida State, Auburn. Oh no, we have the
Speaker 2: first playoff, the first first world playoff?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yes?
Speaker 2: Is there a decent about other teams just missing out?
Speaker 2: And how did this first place loser follow it up
Speaker 2: the next year in the near future whatever? I think
Speaker 2: those are the five things we're going to focus on.
Speaker 2: How does that sound? That sounds good to me?
Speaker 1: And why don't we start in twenty and ten with
Speaker 1: your Oregon Ducks. The Oregon Ducks that year went nine
Speaker 1: to zero on the PAC twelve. They won the PAC twelve,
Speaker 1: finished twelve and one, but only after losing in a
Speaker 1: game we previously discussed, a National champions game. We were
Speaker 1: both at by a twenty two to nineteen score to
Speaker 1: the Auburn Tigers, and of course Cam Newton. Now, just
Speaker 1: to go back and provide some context here, it was
Speaker 1: a very good Oregon offense. They were fifth according to
Speaker 1: the SMP forty seven points per game. Defense was actually
Speaker 1: really good too, which isn't something you always think of
Speaker 1: when you hear the Orgon Ducks. The chip Kelly organ
Speaker 1: Ducks buteenth in the S and P Plus averaged somewhere
Speaker 1: in the vicinity of eighteen nineteen points a game overall. Again,
Speaker 1: according to S and P Plus, they were the third
Speaker 1: best team that season, allowing eighteen nineteen. Yeah, allowing eighteen nineteen. Sure,
Speaker 1: So I guess with that kind of as the as
Speaker 1: the groundwork here, Dan, what say you about this team
Speaker 1: and what led them to this point of even getting
Speaker 1: into this football game.
Speaker 2: So the context that you need to keep in mind
Speaker 2: is this is year two of Chip Kelly as the
Speaker 2: head coach, year four of Chip Kelly in Eugenie, he
Speaker 2: was the offensive coordinator for two years, as everybody remembers.
Speaker 2: Jeremiah Masoli led the team to the Rose Bowl in
Speaker 2: two thousand and nine. Also, that was the season Lagarrett
Speaker 2: Blunt was suspended for a good chunk of the season
Speaker 2: after punching Byron Hout of Boise State out or punching him.
Speaker 2: After they lose that game. In two thousand and nine,
Speaker 2: Jeremiah Massoli leads them to the Rose Bowl and then
Speaker 2: the following early spring is arrested for theft, stealing I
Speaker 2: think a laptop and a guitar. He is suspended for
Speaker 2: the season. So Darren Thomas, who had been in the
Speaker 2: program for a couple of years, he comes in and
Speaker 2: leads the team to an undefeated record in his first year,
Speaker 2: starting no Jeremiah Masoli. Obviously, Massoli eventually makes his way
Speaker 2: to Ole Miss. But Oregon really they have, I guess
Speaker 2: a couple scares, but they have a successful season. It's
Speaker 2: not a crazy talented team, but they They end the
Speaker 2: season in a three point loss to Auburn. As we've
Speaker 2: discussed Cam Newton and Auburn, Michael Diery in my humble
Speaker 2: opinion was down they're scares. Their scares were limited to
Speaker 2: a fifteen to thirteen win at Cal and then going
Speaker 2: down twenty one to three to a crazy talented Stanford
Speaker 2: team in Jim Harbaugh's final season. This is in Eugene
Speaker 2: and they go on a forty nine to ten run
Speaker 2: from that point on and drop fifty on Stanford. They
Speaker 2: win that game fifty two to thirty one. Otherwise close
Speaker 2: call wise, they don't really exist and not a crazy
Speaker 2: non conference schedule.
Speaker 1: They win at Tennessee.
Speaker 2: There's a lightning delay in that game, but ultimately a
Speaker 2: really successful season there. I don't think they've maxed out
Speaker 2: the sort of Chip Kelly or the Chip Kelly ish
Speaker 2: era with Mark Helfrich at the tail end of it.
Speaker 2: But a solid team, an experienced team, and a well
Speaker 2: coached team that didn't really have too much in doubt
Speaker 2: before the National Championship game.
Speaker 1: Let's go back to Darren Thomas for a second. As
Speaker 1: he said, interesting circumstances that brought him to be the
Speaker 1: signal caller for the Ducks that year. Came in through
Speaker 1: thirty touchdowns, ran for five more. He was not a
Speaker 1: guy that was going to blow you away, but he
Speaker 1: was remarkably consistent. Each year he played again a little
Speaker 1: bit better, and he was really good for that system.
Speaker 1: He could use his legs if he had to. He
Speaker 1: obviously could hand the ball off to a Michael James
Speaker 1: who was sort of the feature back and had almost
Speaker 1: two thousand yards from scrimmage in that two thousand finalists, Yeah,
Speaker 1: twenty ten campaign. Heisman finalists. For sure that the offense
Speaker 1: as a whole was largely a function of what well
Speaker 1: Mike could do in space, but Darren Thomas was the
Speaker 1: He was a trigger man. So whether he's handing it
Speaker 1: off to James or whether he was throwing the football
Speaker 1: to Jeff Mayl, who benefited greatly from well Mike as well,
Speaker 1: he was sort of the guy who really made the
Speaker 1: whole thing work. And he did a hell of a
Speaker 1: good job. He really did. I remember going back and
Speaker 1: watching this game and we commented in our previous show
Speaker 1: about how he had some early yips and there were
Speaker 1: some throws that he missed, and maybe he didn't look
Speaker 1: like his optimal self, but still, by and large over
Speaker 1: the course of the season, if it weren't for him
Speaker 1: having such a good campaign, none of this happens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he is an all time underrated Oregon quarterback. He
Speaker 2: put up great numbers, he led them back in big
Speaker 2: games and wins the Rose Bowl the next season against Wisconsin,
Speaker 2: and does have a bit of a down game but
Speaker 2: makes some big plays in the second half against Auburn.
Speaker 2: So he is ultimately a good but not great Oregon
Speaker 2: quarterback who accomplished great things.
Speaker 1: On the defensive side of the ball. As I mentioned,
Speaker 1: a pretty good defensive team for Oregon. Remember this is
Speaker 1: a team with Casey Matthews. He had seventy nine tackles,
Speaker 1: a bunch for loss. Cliff Harris, John Boyette or fierce
Speaker 1: in the defensive backfield, eleven interceptions combined between the two
Speaker 1: of them. Cliff Harris was great at four touchdowns on
Speaker 1: special teams, Kenny Row at seven sacks. So they had players.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they had the high end talent
Speaker 1: that we're going to talk about when we get to
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen Oregon, but certainly enough enough of a presence
Speaker 1: on defense to keep this team in games, and as
Speaker 1: we saw in the National Championship, held a really good
Speaker 1: Auburn offense down to what twenty two points? They're pretty good.
Speaker 2: Yes, they were absolutely pretty good. And they were just
Speaker 2: solid all around. They had built depth. This is you know,
Speaker 2: Mike Bolotti leaves Chip Kelly a nice roster, chip Kelly
Speaker 2: builds upon it. But theirs speed, there's intelligence on this defense,
Speaker 2: there's depth and that that ultimately, especially with Chip Kelly
Speaker 2: bringing in a new defensive line coach, paired with Nick Aliotti,
Speaker 2: the longtime defensive coordinator, they absolutely were a National Championship
Speaker 2: caliber team, not just offense.
Speaker 1: With that being the context for how they got here.
Speaker 1: I think we've already established that they could have won
Speaker 1: this game. This is a close National Championship game. Sure
Speaker 1: what ultimately held them back?
Speaker 2: They lost moments early on in the National Championship. You
Speaker 2: know they're near the goal line, they go for it
Speaker 2: on fourth down, they don't get it.
Speaker 1: They allow Nick.
Speaker 2: They're trying to read Nick Fairley an unstoppable force, and
Speaker 2: that works out really poorly for Oregon. Of course, the
Speaker 2: unstoppable defensive tackle that year for Auburn, and so they
Speaker 2: lose moments. Cam Newton does a terrific job of finding mismatches,
Speaker 2: especially you mentioned Kenny Rowe. A great pass rusher, not
Speaker 2: so great when he's caught on a wheel route with
Speaker 2: a running back or a tight end. And Auburn won
Speaker 2: those moments in a very big way. They make the
Speaker 2: pl a the end of the game, whether or not
Speaker 2: you think Michael Dyer was down. Michael Dyer made that
Speaker 2: play and kept running, and so Michael Dyer made a
Speaker 2: play that sets up the game winning field goal. And
Speaker 2: even though Cam Newton the Heisman Trophy winner and just
Speaker 2: an all time physical legend for Auburn and college football,
Speaker 2: Oregon just didn't have the performance maybe on the coaching
Speaker 2: staff in those big moments then when they were knocking
Speaker 2: on the door to score at various times.
Speaker 1: Is there and I know we're we're really playing into
Speaker 1: your wheelhouse with this question. Is there a scenario and
Speaker 1: interesting what if scenario that could have involved a different
Speaker 1: team not named Oregon? This is a great question. What
Speaker 1: do you think ty TCU? TCU I think was in
Speaker 1: the Mountain West at the time. But when thirteen and
Speaker 1: oh after winning over Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl, that
Speaker 1: was a good TCU team. That was a team with
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton. I want to say, sure, Andy Dalton, Ed
Speaker 1: Wesley remember him, of course, Wayman, James, Jeremy Curley. They
Speaker 1: had some players on that team. They're really really good,
Speaker 1: really solid. We were in this era where group of
Speaker 1: five teams were even less valued than they are now,
Speaker 1: and perhaps TCU didn't get a fair shake. It probably
Speaker 1: was never in the cards for them, but they rose
Speaker 1: to the polls like they finished third or I don't know,
Speaker 1: pretty high up, definitely in the top five when all
Speaker 1: was said and done. So I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: so much of what if, but definitely a curiosity for
Speaker 1: me would have been TCU TCU because of their defense. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the polls right now, I'm trying to
Speaker 2: say where they finished, but they either finished second or third.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the wrong Wikipedia page.
Speaker 1: Ty. Don't you hate it when that happens. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think they finished third or fourth, So they get third
Speaker 1: or fourth. Okay, So the TCU team from the problem
Speaker 1: is certainly they're playing in a group of five divisions,
Speaker 1: so they're just not going to get the respect. And
Speaker 1: TCU fans will certainly say that should have been us
Speaker 1: in the National Championship. We could have beaten Auburn. You
Speaker 1: know what, their defense is such or was such in
Speaker 1: twenty ten, they should have been able to hang. They
Speaker 1: have an NFL quarterback in a defense Andy Dalton's certainly
Speaker 1: a Winter wonder and taking down Wisconsin and the Rose
Speaker 1: Bowl that year. I don't know that they have.
Speaker 2: The overall team speed and offensive skill to do it,
Speaker 2: but they certainly had the defense. If Oregon had the defense,
Speaker 2: there's an argument to be made that certainly TCU had
Speaker 2: a better defense TCU, though they did have a common
Speaker 2: opponent with Oregon. TCUO beats a five and seven Oregon
Speaker 2: State team by nine. I think Oregon beat them by
Speaker 2: seventeen or eighteen points, So if there's any sort of
Speaker 2: comparison there, there's that. Stanford finished the year as an
Speaker 2: extremely strong and talented team, but as mentioned, they lose
Speaker 2: to Oregon by three touchdowns. Twenty ten Ohio State, which
Speaker 2: I think ultimately they don't have any wins that year
Speaker 2: because of the NCAA. Looking back at some ineligible players,
Speaker 2: namely I guess Terrell Pryor, they finish I think what
Speaker 2: twelve and one themselves, they win the Sugar Bowl. Outside
Speaker 2: of that, I don't think there's a strong enough case.
Speaker 2: I think there are interesting teams. Wisconsin loses the Rose Bowl,
Speaker 2: so it's hard to say that they could have hung
Speaker 2: with Auburn. But we can talk about twenty eleven Wisconsin
Speaker 2: a little bit with Russell Wilson in that amazing offense,
Speaker 2: but I don't think the twenty ten version of the
Speaker 2: Badgers are there. So outside of that, the only other
Speaker 2: team left if we're going to talk about a group
Speaker 2: of five team and it's probably a better team than TCU,
Speaker 2: is Boise State. Well, yeah, Boise State is incredible this year.
Speaker 2: They in terms of the points per drive, they're number
Speaker 2: one in both offense and defense. They have a really
Speaker 2: strong quarterback. This is as talented a Boise State team
Speaker 2: as there was. They lose that game to Nevada, which
Speaker 2: I watched the last couple minutes of that tie. I
Speaker 2: felt I felt like I was watching some be like
Speaker 2: be dumped in a public place the last four minutes
Speaker 2: of that game with missing those field goals. But ultimately no,
Speaker 2: I think Oregon was the right team to try and
Speaker 2: challenge Auburn, and they were right there for good reason.
Speaker 1: Final question, which maybe we could get to at the end,
Speaker 1: comparisons to two thousand and five USC Why don't we
Speaker 1: save that for the very end. I'll write that down. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: fair enough, Let's move on to two thousand and eleven.
Speaker 1: Your LSU Tigers, Dan mine yours the LSU Tigers eight
Speaker 1: to zero in the SEC. This was the nine to
Speaker 1: six year. This is the game of the century year.
Speaker 1: Incredible defenses both for LSU and Alabama. You'll remember they
Speaker 1: played in November, a nine to six overtime slugfest that
Speaker 1: went to LSU. There eventually was a rematch in the
Speaker 1: National Championship between LSU and the Alabama Crimson tied won't behold.
Speaker 1: LSU lose that game twenty one to nothing in the
Speaker 1: National Championship. So I went back and I looked at
Speaker 1: this one dan.
Speaker 2: One touchdown though one touchdown from one Touchdowntional Championship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm curious if you would like to provide any
Speaker 1: more context than just nine to six, because truly nine
Speaker 1: to six does a lot of lifting there. Talk about
Speaker 1: nine to six to a college football fan, I think
Speaker 1: they know exactly what you mean. But what else was
Speaker 1: going on in and around the world of college football?
Speaker 1: How did we arrive at this point where a rematch
Speaker 1: in a national title game, which at the time it
Speaker 1: was like, haresy, Oh my god, so much controversy. I
Speaker 1: remember we talked about it on the show, a rematch.
Speaker 1: Who wants a rematch? Of course SEC people they wanted
Speaker 1: the rematch, but no one else wanted the rematch. How
Speaker 1: did we get to this point that a rematch was possible?
Speaker 2: And depending on what you think about TV ratings, really
Speaker 2: nobody wants the rematch. Not a lot of people watch
Speaker 2: this game, which is fine. LSU starts the season with
Speaker 2: the previous first time loser. I don't know if it
Speaker 2: happened in that quick order in previous instances looking back
Speaker 2: and forward. But LSU opens up the season in Jerry
Speaker 2: World with Oregon. So this is a first time loser
Speaker 2: that largely returns a good amount of players and adds
Speaker 2: a couple of interesting skill players. But ultimately Honey Badger
Speaker 2: and the LSU defense are too swarming and too good.
Speaker 2: They win that game forty to twenty seven. They don't
Speaker 2: score a ton against Mississippi State in Starkville, but they
Speaker 2: get the job done. I don't think they scored twenty
Speaker 2: points in that game. This was a team that was
Speaker 2: led by an absurd defense. If Alabama had this all
Speaker 2: time amazing historic defense in twenty eleven, which we can
Speaker 2: agree they did, LSU was right there. LSU was right
Speaker 2: there in terms of talent, in terms of performance under
Speaker 2: John Chavis. They win that game nine six against Alabama,
Speaker 2: but ultimately the rest of the season there's not a
Speaker 2: lot of competition within the SEC. They beat down Florida
Speaker 2: I believe in Depth Valley by like thirty points. The
Speaker 2: Auburn game isn't particularly close, so they do score points
Speaker 2: with as much flak as the less miles offense. And
Speaker 2: what it turned into later on this was a coordinator
Speaker 2: thrown into service. It's Greg Stude rahwa I always going
Speaker 2: to screw up that pronunciation because Steve Cragthorpe gets sick
Speaker 2: before the season. So that's it's an admirable job having
Speaker 2: a coordinator thrown into the pressure like that. Jordan Jefferson
Speaker 2: has legal issues going into the season and he is
Speaker 2: suspended and there's some you know, there's controversy about what
Speaker 2: his actual involvement was in a bar fight down in Louisiana,
Speaker 2: and he was charged with felonies, but then it was
Speaker 2: reduced to misdemeanors and he had all sorts of people
Speaker 2: that testified and on his behalf saying he was trying
Speaker 2: to break up the fight. So there's all all sorts
Speaker 2: of news stories in controversy around the offense. It's a
Speaker 2: very young LSU offense, especially at receiver. It's what a
Speaker 2: young Odell Beckham, a young Jarvis Landry, and then we
Speaker 2: have Ruben Rand and Russell Shephard, so a crazy talented
Speaker 2: man receiver corps. Running back wasn't especially great. Quarterback wasn't
Speaker 2: especially great, splitting time with Jarrett Lee and Jordan Jefferson,
Speaker 2: but the speed and talent at receiver paired with the
Speaker 2: talent all over the defense. So it's what Morris Klayburn,
Speaker 2: Morris Claiborne, Honey Badgers, Hiram Matthew and then Sam Montgomery
Speaker 2: and Barkhevius Mingo and Kevin Minter in the middle. Eric
Speaker 2: Reid is at safety, Craig Loston. So this is it's
Speaker 2: a crazy talented team that doesn't fully have its act
Speaker 2: together on offense and they don't ultimately cross midfield in
Speaker 2: the National Championship game. And this is a great what
Speaker 2: if about other teams? What do you remember about this
Speaker 2: twenty eleven LSU team?
Speaker 1: I think I don't know if it's so much a memory.
Speaker 1: I got a lot out of just looking back, and
Speaker 1: I think we now have a real appreciation for the
Speaker 1: skill talent on that team. This was a run heavy team.
Speaker 1: They rotated Jarrett Lee and Jordan Jefferson at quarterback depending
Speaker 1: on the situation and suspension situation and whatnot. But Spencer
Speaker 1: Ware and Michael Ford got the Lion's share of the carries,
Speaker 1: and Albert Blue and Kenny Hilliard both were worked in.
Speaker 1: But this was a run heavy offense. What's really crazy
Speaker 1: to me is what you alluded to before they legit
Speaker 1: had four wide receivers. They had six wide receivers who
Speaker 1: played in the league, but they had four that ended
Speaker 1: up being what I would consider legit NFL receivers in
Speaker 1: Obij and Jarvis Landry, both of whom are very young,
Speaker 1: just freshmen. On this team, Obij was the second leading receiver,
Speaker 1: behind Russell Sheppard and ahead of Ruben Randall, both of
Speaker 1: whom also played pretty extensively in the NFL. So my
Speaker 1: question here is really looking back, what happens if you
Speaker 1: take the twenty eleven receiving corps and put them on
Speaker 1: the twenty nineteen LSU team. What would they have looked
Speaker 1: like if they were on this twenty nineteen version of
Speaker 1: that offense? And by the way, I don't intend that
Speaker 1: as a swamp at last year's class either, because Justin
Speaker 1: Jefferson went in the first round Jomar Chase Jamar Chase
Speaker 1: at almost eighteen hundred yards. He's probably gonna go in
Speaker 1: the first round next year. But just the sheer depth
Speaker 1: of talent on this twenty eleven receiving corps to me
Speaker 1: is so striking in hindsight, knowing what a lot of
Speaker 1: these guys went on to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, especially if their upperclassmen, especially what Odell
Speaker 2: Beckham and Jarvis Landry looked like later on in their careers,
Speaker 2: even at LSU in that twenty thirteen offense became quite fun.
Speaker 2: Carnage tie, that's the answer you're looking for. You're looking
Speaker 2: for carnage from this team in that Joe Brady, Steve Ensminger,
Speaker 2: Joel Burrow. That's what you're getting from this receiving corps.
Speaker 2: What I think is interesting one is is what ultimately
Speaker 2: undoes LSU against an Alabama team they've already beaten to you?
Speaker 1: What is that? Because they could not have won, you
Speaker 1: can answer that, no, No, I don't think they could have.
Speaker 1: What undoes is the offense? The offense, let's it down.
Speaker 2: Well, it's yeah, it's the offense, it's creativity, and it's
Speaker 2: the fact that they're playing an all time maybe the
Speaker 2: greatest college defense ever, the twenty eleven Bama defense unbelievable. Right,
Speaker 2: There's not much you can do against that team. And
Speaker 2: that's why, like, especially if we're going to discuss other
Speaker 2: teams potentially in contention for the national championship that year, it's.
Speaker 1: Hard to say oh, okay, Yeah, Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: State, who had a somewhat legitimate case to be considered
Speaker 2: for this national championship team, not National championship game instead
Speaker 2: of LSU. They could have made some hay against Alabama. Well,
Speaker 2: they had a more creative offense, they had deadlier offensive
Speaker 2: skill players, but you're still trying to move a fortress
Speaker 2: covered in electric modes, covered in you know, there's so
Speaker 2: much weaponry on this Alabama defense that I don't know
Speaker 2: that you can make a strong case. But yeah, ultimately
Speaker 2: it's not reruiting and developing quarterbacks, which was something that
Speaker 2: was going to recur with the LSU offense in less Miles'
Speaker 2: tenure over and over and over again.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And that was sort of my next point. I've
Speaker 1: made the point countless times. We saw what happened with
Speaker 1: LSU this year when they really made a commitment to
Speaker 1: the right guys developing the offense, they had the right
Speaker 1: personnel in place to make everything go. But how many
Speaker 1: times had we heard it before in the wake of
Speaker 1: the less Miles era at LSU, that all we're going
Speaker 1: to fix the offense we know offenses is probably we're
Speaker 1: going to fix the offense this year. This is the
Speaker 1: first year they actually did it. It's part of the
Speaker 1: reason why it's really scary moving forward now Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: and Joe Brady they're gone now. Still we know that
Speaker 1: ed Ordron maybe is smart enough to know as weaknesses
Speaker 1: and if you can find a way to try and
Speaker 1: apply energy with the amount of offensive talent that they
Speaker 1: have there, just find ways to keep ramping up that offense,
Speaker 1: it makes them really scary. Proposition. Final question on this
Speaker 1: twenty eleven LSU topic is are there any other what ifs?
Speaker 1: If we play the what if game? There any other
Speaker 1: what ifs throughout the course of this season that to
Speaker 1: you are I don't know, interesting in hindsight.
Speaker 2: So we absolutely need if we're talking about finding a
Speaker 2: team that will get that will cross midfield against the
Speaker 2: twenty eleven Alabama defense and scare them a little bit
Speaker 2: and keep this close and maybe win a couple moments
Speaker 2: and get a couple breaks and beat this Alabama team.
Speaker 2: Because the twenty eleven Alabama offense was good, not exceptional.
Speaker 2: It's not a TOUA Alabama offense. The twenty eleven defense
Speaker 2: is obviously crazy good. So we have Wisconsin has is
Speaker 2: the most efficient offensive team in the country. That's Russell
Speaker 2: Wilson Wisconsin. There are playmakers, but I don't know how
Speaker 2: good that offense is really. I mean that the running
Speaker 2: backs are good, but the pass catchers to really challenge
Speaker 2: Alabama down the field, I don't know if they're necessarily
Speaker 2: there for Wisconsin. Oklahoma State has those guys, but I
Speaker 2: don't think it was actually a good defense.
Speaker 1: For as much as Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: State scored, I would have liked to probably have seen
Speaker 2: Oklahoma State against this Alabama team more than any other
Speaker 2: team in the country. Looking back, Stanford had a really
Speaker 2: good this was David Shaw's first year, a really really
Speaker 2: good team and Andrew Luck's final season in Palo Alto.
Speaker 2: But Oregon's right behind Stanford and they slack them on
Speaker 2: the farm at Stanford. So that's a hard case to
Speaker 2: be made when you lose a game as decisively as
Speaker 2: Stanford lost that game. Oregon's an interesting case. They lose
Speaker 2: to LSU in Week one, so what do they look
Speaker 2: like later on in the season. Ultimately, I don't think
Speaker 2: Oregon had the defense to stop Alabama enough, and that's
Speaker 2: sort of it. Twenty eleven had an amazing Bowl season.
Speaker 2: Around this twenty one to nothing national championship, including I
Speaker 2: think Houston beat Penn State. I want to say, besides
Speaker 2: the Joe pas season. Yeah, is it the Ticket City Bowl?
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was.
Speaker 2: I think it's the Row Bolden Penn State team and
Speaker 2: the Ticket City Bowl loses to I think it's case
Speaker 2: Keenum's final game. There's just a bunch of weird.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that game's that Bowl season. Well, this was
Speaker 1: the twenty eleventh season. I think was a year that
Speaker 1: Justin Blackman caught like one hundred and twenty two balls
Speaker 1: or so. Yeah, I'm looking at one hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: two balls. That's right, one hundred and twenty two balls
Speaker 1: for fifteen hundred and twenty two yards. Justin Blackman. Maybe
Speaker 1: it'll work out in the league, but as a college player,
Speaker 1: was a hell of a presence out there between him
Speaker 1: and Brandon Whedon it was.
Speaker 2: And Joseph Randall was on that team. Oh man, Yeah, no,
Speaker 2: this is a crazy talented offense.
Speaker 1: The other question that we do have listed is how
Speaker 1: they followed it up in the near future. A decade
Speaker 1: later thereabouts they won a national championship. Yeah, short term
Speaker 1: though with Joe Burrow. Short term though, it you know,
Speaker 1: LSU had a bit of a run, but it started
Speaker 1: to kind of be minishing returns. They don't I won't.
Speaker 2: I don't believe after the twenty eleven season. I don't
Speaker 2: think they make a BCS game again. Under Les Miles.
Speaker 2: It's Chick fil A Outback, Music City, Texas Bowl. Then
Speaker 2: he's fired in the middle of twenty sixteen. They win
Speaker 2: ten games in twenty thirteen, but that tenth is their
Speaker 2: bowl game, so they go nine to three. The previous
Speaker 2: season they go ten to two, So they're good. They're
Speaker 2: a top fifteen ish team, but they don't get the
Speaker 2: magic back of both that defense and to a certain extent,
Speaker 2: that offense, even though in twenty thirteen that's the Zach
Speaker 2: Mettenberger year where it's I think Jeremy Hill in the
Speaker 2: backfield and then coming into their own OBJ and Jarvis Landry.
Speaker 2: That's a really fun LSU offense. But they just can't
Speaker 2: get a lose SEC games where they didn't before, and
Speaker 2: they just can't crack the ceiling that Less Miles had.
Speaker 2: I suppose from the two thousand and seven season in
Speaker 2: the twenty eleven season.
Speaker 1: That brings us Daniel to the two thousand twelve Notre
Speaker 1: Dame fighting irish. I'm just gonna leave your mic open time.
Speaker 1: Just keep talking. Notre Dame that year went twelve to
Speaker 1: oh in the regular season. They lost in the title
Speaker 1: game in Miami forty two to fourteen to the Alabama
Speaker 1: Crimson Tide. You look at the S and P numbers
Speaker 1: for that Notre Dame team. You're okay on offense. They
Speaker 1: weren't world beaters, but they're okay, much better on defense overall.
Speaker 1: We both found this interesting. Our friend Bill Connolly's then
Speaker 1: SNP plus before they dropped the end was fifteenth, the
Speaker 1: fifteenth best team according to Bill's rankings. Right, that's pretty
Speaker 1: damn significant, isn't it. That tells you something. They're right
Speaker 1: out of the shoot. Yeah, that maybe you're not a
Speaker 1: national caliber team tells you something. Right out of the
Speaker 1: shoot they were national caliber, but maybe not national championship caliber.
Speaker 1: Give me the context, Give me the context. Your your
Speaker 1: your unbiased context for what led to this point in
Speaker 1: the twenty twelve season.
Speaker 2: So, this is this is year three of Brian Kelly.
Speaker 2: Right three, This is year three of Brian Kelly. This
Speaker 2: is ever Golson starting as a red shirt freshman. This
Speaker 2: is a talented defense there. You know Mantiiteo's in the middle.
Speaker 2: He has you know, himself in the news later on
Speaker 2: in the season, I want to say, into November with
Speaker 2: the catfishing situation that he found himself in. But on
Speaker 2: all three levels of this defense, there was talented and
Speaker 2: there was talented players and they produced. There's just no
Speaker 2: dudes on offense outside of the offensive line. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: Zach Martin is the dude anchoring this line. Our friend
Speaker 2: Michael Lock junior playing on this line as well. It's
Speaker 2: just I don't know what this offense is. And I
Speaker 2: know you have opinions on the offense, but you look
Speaker 2: at what they did during the season, and it's close
Speaker 2: call after close call against five and seventy after five
Speaker 2: and seven team, whether it's Purdue or I mean, Michigan
Speaker 2: was fine that season. I think BYU was a close call.
Speaker 2: They have overtime against a good Stanford team. The Oklahoma
Speaker 2: game was impressive. They go to three overtimes against pitt
Speaker 2: and score twenty nine points and three overtimes. This is
Speaker 2: a pit team that lost to Youngstown State, an FCS
Speaker 2: team to open up the season, and so this might
Speaker 2: be a Hall of fame LRO team. If we're going
Speaker 2: to use solid verbal parlance, that is just it only
Speaker 2: lasts so long, tie my ability to escape so so teams,
Speaker 2: and it's just not going to last against this Alabama
Speaker 2: defense and Eddie Lacy and Amari Cooper. So this was
Speaker 2: a very interesting year for Notre Dame. Obviously, they went undefeated,
Speaker 2: they made it to the National Championship, but the quarterback
Speaker 2: spot was really up for grabs and no one really
Speaker 2: knew what was going to happen. Eventually, Everett Golsen wins
Speaker 2: the job as a freshman, and that was news in
Speaker 2: an of itself. But this was a season, this was
Speaker 2: a campaign that was almost entirely built on defense. You
Speaker 2: think of where we're at now, with all the news
Speaker 2: that we read about, how much do you yearn for the.
Speaker 1: Days of Manti Tao's fake girlfriend Dan? Wouldn't you kill
Speaker 1: for some news like that right now? I mean, in retrospect,
Speaker 1: you feel sort of really sorry for him that just
Speaker 1: to find yourself in that situation. I feel sorry for
Speaker 1: I feel sorry for him. It was, no doubt a
Speaker 1: huge shit storm. Let's be clear that I'm sure he
Speaker 1: wanted no part of that. Notre Dame wanted to know
Speaker 1: part of dead'spin. Loved it. It was a great story
Speaker 1: if you didn't like Notre Dame. But Manti Tayo found
Speaker 1: himself the victim of a catfishing thing. They have embellished
Speaker 1: a little bit, let's be clear, but yeah. Nonetheless, Manti
Speaker 1: Teo had a great year that year, one hundred and
Speaker 1: thirteen tackles, seven interceptions as the middle linebacker, the anchor
Speaker 1: of this team. And there was defense defense led by
Speaker 1: Bob Diaco. Here defensive talent, high level defensive talent in
Speaker 1: the form of Lewis Nicks and Stefan Towitt, Caapran, Lewis Moore,
Speaker 1: who had a hell of a year. There were some
Speaker 1: ballers on this defense. The offense, though, when you look
Speaker 1: a little closer at what they had outside of Everett Golson,
Speaker 1: you really start to wonder, like, Wow, how did how
Speaker 1: did this happen? What exactly was this offense? In twenty twelve,
Speaker 1: we talked about the twenty eleven LSU receiving Corps. By comparison,
Speaker 1: let's talk about TJ. Jones, Tyler EIFERD. Devares Daniels and
Speaker 1: Robbie Toma and Oh theo Riddick getting plugged in at
Speaker 1: both running back and receiver depending on how Brian Kelly
Speaker 1: needs him. That's what we're talking about here.
Speaker 2: Not a lot of dudes on that list, I guess
Speaker 2: beyond Tyler eiferd who led the team, I believe in
Speaker 2: receiving right, he.
Speaker 1: Led the team in receiving yardage. She was tied for
Speaker 1: receptions with TJ. Jones. Both he and TJ. Jones, both
Speaker 1: of whom, by the way, went on to play in
Speaker 1: the NFL, but both of them had game breaking ability.
Speaker 1: Though right fifty balls caught that season. The offenses, I
Speaker 1: remember it constituted mostly of ever Goholston running around until
Speaker 1: he could figure something out right, which under normal circumstances
Speaker 1: isn't really that sustainable. But he was just he was
Speaker 1: crazy athletic. He was sort of fearless, very erratic, but
Speaker 1: he brought his a game to a night game in Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: turned in his best performance in Norman. They went on
Speaker 1: the road, they won that game, and it was from
Speaker 1: that point forward that you started wondering, like, despite all
Speaker 1: the erratic qualities that Golson had, what was he good
Speaker 1: enough in big moments to sort of get notre Dame
Speaker 1: through the end of the year undefeated and over the
Speaker 1: finish line as one of the top two teams. Eventually
Speaker 1: might have been something he gets up for. The Blockie
Speaker 1: finishes in there. But ultimately the defense was good enough.
Speaker 1: They they bent, they didn't break. The offense got enough
Speaker 1: moments cobbled together to get them into that final game
Speaker 1: in Miami against the Alabama Crimson time, what was your
Speaker 1: recollection of getting to that National Championship game? Dan, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't mean from the Notre Dame perspective, I mean
Speaker 1: from the solid verbal perspective. If you remember that trip for.
Speaker 2: Us, Yeah, it was a good time. We explored Miami,
Speaker 2: we ate well. We ultimately decided not to go to
Speaker 2: the game, but we had I feel like, what are
Speaker 2: we stay in? Like Fort Lauderdale. We stayed not too
Speaker 2: far away from Yeah, so all time leaving New York
Speaker 2: in the winter, I.
Speaker 1: Fell asleep after Notre Dame fell behind twenty with nothing
Speaker 1: at the start of the second quarter. It still got
Speaker 1: worse too. It still got worse. So to give you
Speaker 1: some context, we had gone to the National Championship for
Speaker 1: the first time in twenty ten. We skipped the nine
Speaker 1: to six year but we went in twenty twelve. Now,
Speaker 1: you know, we had contacts here and there, but for
Speaker 1: this one, we couldn't get anyone to answer us about
Speaker 1: a press pass. So we said, screw it, We're just
Speaker 1: going to show up the whole week. We did interviews
Speaker 1: in the lobby of some hotel in Miami, wherever the
Speaker 1: media stayed. It was cold as hell in that lobby.
Speaker 1: I remember I was freezing cold in that lobby. But
Speaker 1: we did a ton of interviews. It was a lot
Speaker 1: of fun. We got invited to some ESPN party. We're
Speaker 1: all excited about. We dressed up. Remember it took us
Speaker 1: two hours to get there. We're lucky we made it
Speaker 1: at all. We showed up comically late. My lasting memory
Speaker 1: of that was sitting on the chairs outside whatever schwanky club.
Speaker 1: This was watching the cars, watching the people, and then
Speaker 1: seeing Josh Elliott walk by. I remember I was transtixt
Speaker 1: by Josh Elliott at the time. I think he was
Speaker 1: still working. Was this at the Della and my Delano?
Speaker 1: That's it, the Delano and you and I. It was
Speaker 1: super swanky. It was great. Oh, we sat outside, we
Speaker 1: waited for the car. All these fancy cars are driving by,
Speaker 1: doesn't the valet just roll up in our Nissan Versa
Speaker 1: hatchback that we got ours, the solid Versa, our crappy
Speaker 1: rental that we deemed the Solid Versa. We see Josh
Speaker 1: Elliott rolling by, We're hearing stories about show thighs. Been
Speaker 1: walking down the road. There we are. We can't really
Speaker 1: get it anywhere we went. Afterwards, we got a Cuban sandwich,
Speaker 1: went on to do interviews the rest of the week,
Speaker 1: and then there was that moment for me of internal
Speaker 1: dialogue and what I find after going to after all
Speaker 1: these national championship games, what I find about going to
Speaker 1: these media events is that if you get enough media
Speaker 1: people on the college football side in a room for
Speaker 1: a long enough period of time talking about the same thing,
Speaker 1: eventually you talk each other out of whatever your preconceived
Speaker 1: notions were. So coming into this game, I think everyone
Speaker 1: knew that Alabama was they were the better team. Like
Speaker 1: everyone knew they were the better team, and everyone felt
Speaker 1: that way going into this week. But then what happens
Speaker 1: the closer you get the game time, people talk themselves
Speaker 1: into Everett Golson's a big game quarterback. Maybe he doesn't
Speaker 1: have the numbers, but he just he wins those moments,
Speaker 1: Manti tale, he's got something to prove. You know, this
Speaker 1: is a defense, right, don't underestimate that Notre Dame defense.
Speaker 1: They'd be getting it done all year and so in
Speaker 1: the end, paying nine hundred dollars for a ticket, though
Speaker 1: it sounds like a lot, could be my one shot
Speaker 1: to see a national championship in my lifetime keep going.
Speaker 1: So eventually, despite all of that talk about I wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to bet against this Notre Dame defense, bet against him, eventually,
Speaker 1: I like, screw it. I'm not paying nine hundred dollars
Speaker 1: for this. I don't care. I don't care what Stu
Speaker 1: Mandel liked that he heard at Media Day. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: I'm not paying one hundred dollars. I'm glad I did.
Speaker 1: I did not buy the ticket. I probably spent that
Speaker 1: money on a new phone or something later in the year.
Speaker 1: But Notre Dame goes on to lose by a forty
Speaker 1: two to fourteen score. It was never really close at all.
Speaker 1: What was your interesting what if scenario for the twenty
Speaker 1: twelve season?
Speaker 2: Everybody else, literally anybody else, now this this was another
Speaker 2: excellent Alabama team. You would have needed something special to
Speaker 2: beat this Alabama team. They do, of course, lose a
Speaker 2: game during the season, but the fact that we got
Speaker 2: Notre Dame I remember being.
Speaker 1: Bummed about it.
Speaker 2: In twenty twelve, I think they lost to Johnny Manziel
Speaker 2: and Texas A and M in that ridiculously amazing game.
Speaker 2: It was twenty nine to twenty four I believe was
Speaker 2: a final score at home. They lose to TEXTA, A
Speaker 2: and M. So we'll start there in terms of what ifs.
Speaker 2: What if Texas A and M got another shot at
Speaker 2: Alabama that would have been nice, but you know, A
Speaker 2: and M loses what they lose. I think they lose
Speaker 2: two games that season, but just obliterate Oklahoma in the
Speaker 2: Cotton Bowl. You have Aaron Murray and Georgia coming up
Speaker 2: just short against Alabama, so they had their shot. Oregon
Speaker 2: themselves had an amazing season. They only lose to that
Speaker 2: year as Stanford, and it's another good Stanford team, but
Speaker 2: they finished season strong and they beat Kansas State. That
Speaker 2: would have been at least somewhat interesting because we'll have
Speaker 2: Marcus Mariota his freshman season and this is the best
Speaker 2: Chip Kelly Oregon team. I would claim this is the
Speaker 2: best Oregon team of all time. The twenty twelve team
Speaker 2: was the deepest, the most well rounded Oregon team. That
Speaker 2: would have been an interesting shot for Alabama even Boise
Speaker 2: State to a certain degree that season. It falls off
Speaker 2: after that. But what Texas A and M showed against
Speaker 2: Alabama red shirt freshman Johnny Manziel at the Helm, and
Speaker 2: how they finished out the season just doing what they
Speaker 2: did in the Cotton Bowl to Oklahoma, that would have
Speaker 2: been interesting. But we've already seen it. We saw it.
Speaker 1: They were better than Alabama in twenty twelve. That's just period.
Speaker 1: It was settled in Tuscaloosa twenty twelve. Notre Dame lost
Speaker 1: forty two to fourteen. After this point, though, as we've
Speaker 1: been asking here, what did teams do after this? Well,
Speaker 1: Notre Dame is an interesting case because Notre Dame when
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly took over, was still trying to figure out
Speaker 1: what to do post Charlie Weiss. And as I've said
Speaker 1: time and again on the show, I think Brian Kelly
Speaker 1: built the team in a really good way. I think
Speaker 1: he built from the inside out. He obviously got a
Speaker 1: ton of talent along the offensive line. We had some
Speaker 1: ballers on this offensive line. This was Harry high Stands
Speaker 1: first season, I believe, yeah. I mean, he did really
Speaker 1: well recruiting tight ends, had a lot of pre eminent
Speaker 1: tight ends coming through, really just improve things across the board.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if they've had a defense quite
Speaker 1: this caliber since then, but I would say ultimately the
Speaker 1: talent level has risen. The one missing piece, the missing
Speaker 1: link that they still have yet to really solve as
Speaker 1: the quarter position. This is going to be the first year,
Speaker 1: provided we have a season, that Notre Dame has had
Speaker 1: the same starting quarterback for three consecutive years in the
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly era. That's meaningful. Just hard to do for anybody, though,
Speaker 1: It's hard to do for anybody, But there has been
Speaker 1: so much turnover at the quarterback position that I think
Speaker 1: to some extent it's really held them back. So we'll
Speaker 1: see what it means for them in twenty twenty or
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one again, whenever all this happens again. But nonetheless,
Speaker 1: I think things from here went in a positive direction.
Speaker 1: Despite the fact that Notre Dame didn't get back to
Speaker 1: a national championship game, they have made it to a playoff.
Speaker 1: They have been in contention with more consistency than at
Speaker 1: any point before, certainly the twenty twelve season. So they've
Speaker 1: done a good thing since then. They were win.
Speaker 2: Eligible against Clemson in their playoff appearance. I'll point that
Speaker 2: out go the record saying they were win eligible. Could
Speaker 2: Notre Dame have won? No, they could not have won
Speaker 2: this game. They fell down thirty five to nothing with
Speaker 2: you know, sort of halfway through the third quarter, Eddie
Speaker 2: Lacy had his way. AJ mccarenta, Marii Cooper had their way.
Speaker 2: You'll remember this was the Brent Musburger Catherine Webb, oh
Speaker 2: where he noticed AJ mccaron's then girling in the crowd,
Speaker 2: and that became she was the next I guess when
Speaker 2: Brent Musburger discovered Jen Sturger in the crowd. So I
Speaker 2: guess Brent Musburger had an eye for something. When games
Speaker 2: got out of hand, Alabama had their way with Notre Dame.
Speaker 2: Notre Dame what held them back? They were flat out
Speaker 2: not good.
Speaker 1: Enough to be in this kid. They weren't. They weren't
Speaker 1: good at Obama. They weren't good. They didn't have the
Speaker 1: skill talent, didn't have the skill. Time.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think twenty twelve. Wise, if we're talking about
Speaker 2: who could have hung in a more impressive fashion, it's
Speaker 2: obviously A and M since they already won. It's Oregon
Speaker 2: and Georgia. Beyond that, I'm not crazy about anybody within
Speaker 2: the context of whatever the top five, ten, twelve of
Speaker 2: college football that season.
Speaker 1: But so it is.
Speaker 2: That's what we had from twenty twelve, and at least
Speaker 2: we got to go to Florida and enjoy some warmth.
Speaker 1: Twenty thirteen, it's the Auburn Tigers. They went twelve and
Speaker 1: two that season. They lost on the road in September,
Speaker 1: I guess the end of September to LSU. LSU was
Speaker 1: number six at the time, and then obviously to Florida
Speaker 1: State and Jamis Winston in the title game. But it
Speaker 1: was thirty four to thirty one that game. They had
Speaker 1: a pretty good sized lead for like fifty six minutes
Speaker 1: of this game. Maybe not all fifty six minutes, but
Speaker 1: they led for fifty six minutes or so in this
Speaker 1: football game. A bit of a second half choke job,
Speaker 1: which I suspect will address when we talk about could
Speaker 1: they have won, but they did lose. This was the
Speaker 1: last year of the BCS. The championship went to Jameis Winston.
Speaker 1: This was a good offense, an okay defense gave up
Speaker 1: about twenty five points a game. Maybe not the best,
Speaker 1: but they were. They were electric on offense. According to
Speaker 1: Bill Connelly's SMP plus at the time, sixth overall. The
Speaker 1: context here is that this is the kick six This
Speaker 1: is the kick six season, the kick six team. Chris Davis,
Speaker 1: again the Auburn player who returned that shorted field goal
Speaker 1: one hundred plus yards for a touchdown to knock off
Speaker 1: Alabama in the Iron Bowl, also led the Auburn Tigers
Speaker 1: in tackles that year. They had so much talent on defense.
Speaker 1: It wasn't just Chris Davis. They had d fourd ten
Speaker 1: and a half sacks, Carl Lawson four sacks, Montrevius Adams
Speaker 1: also on this team. The offense led by Nick Marshall
Speaker 1: and Trey Mason. This was an offense that was super
Speaker 1: creative in the running game. Trey Mason was a bell cow,
Speaker 1: got three hundred and seventeen carries eighteen hundred yards, had
Speaker 1: twenty three touchdowns that year, and I would say, ultimately
Speaker 1: just a fun team to watch it. Sammy Coates is
Speaker 1: a vertical threat. They were just like the persistent wild
Speaker 1: card that was a ton of fun to watch. I
Speaker 1: remember going into that title game against Florida State that
Speaker 1: it wasn't apparent to me like how close they'd be
Speaker 1: able to keep it because everyone was so gung ho
Speaker 1: in the Seminoles going into that game. But they were
Speaker 1: just so damn gritty that they were really fun to watch,
Speaker 1: weren't they.
Speaker 2: Yes, So this is year one of Gus Malson, and
Speaker 2: so he is the coordinator on the twenty ten championship team,
Speaker 2: the Cam Newton team. He leaves for Arkansas State twenty eleven,
Speaker 2: comes back in twenty twelve. Because gene chiswick for all
Speaker 2: of the good things. It was a Scott Leffler. Brian
Speaker 2: Van Gorder coordinated Auburn program by the time he was fired.
Speaker 2: And that's going to get you fired, ty, I just
Speaker 2: I assume you agree. That's just going to get you
Speaker 2: fired ultimately. And so they're unable to develop a quarterback.
Speaker 2: Nick Marshall transfers in. Obviously everybody knows the story. A
Speaker 2: Georgia Corner high school quarterback, but a Georgia Corner he
Speaker 2: transfers to Auburn. So he's a first year quarterback, with
Speaker 2: the first year coach, and Auburn they have to sort
Speaker 2: of sneak their way in almost to the point where
Speaker 2: they're considered a national contender. They open up the first
Speaker 2: BCS rankings at number eleven. That's October twentieth, so that's
Speaker 2: the ground that they need to make up. They get
Speaker 2: to number nine on November third. They move up to
Speaker 2: number seven on November tenth, so we have Alabama at
Speaker 2: the top of the sport, the defending national champ. They
Speaker 2: lose the Kick six game. Florida State has been incredible
Speaker 2: all season long. Jamis Winston's in the news for all
Speaker 2: of the right and wrong reasons, but they keep winning.
Speaker 2: Florida State does, and they have this incredible upper classmen
Speaker 2: Leyden team, so they end up at number one December first.
Speaker 2: Ohio State is right there number two, but then ultimately
Speaker 2: Ohio State loses in the Big Ten Championship game. Auburn
Speaker 2: wins on the Kick six game. Auburn wins the SEC
Speaker 2: Championship Game, and Auburn thus gets to the National Championship game.
Speaker 2: By the way, that SEC Championship game was maybe my
Speaker 2: all time favorite, so good Zoo Auburn game like fifty
Speaker 2: something to forty something.
Speaker 1: You have this the crazy good receivers for Miszoo. It's
Speaker 1: casual dress, James Franklin, it's Nick Marshall and Trey Mason
Speaker 1: going everywhere. Just a wall to wall entertaining game. Auburn
Speaker 1: ends up in the championship game. Could Auburn have won Absolutely,
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. The Tigers could have won this National championship.
Speaker 1: They sort of go into a shell in the second half.
Speaker 1: You know, they miss opportunities even in the first half
Speaker 1: as they build it was it twenty one to three
Speaker 1: lead at halftime, Yeah, it's twenty one three lead at halftime.
Speaker 1: They go into a shell.
Speaker 2: They score late, but Florida State drives down the field
Speaker 2: and scores with almost no time left, and Auburn only
Speaker 2: has a prayer of a kick return to try and
Speaker 2: win the game and it doesn't work out. The interesting
Speaker 2: thing is Auburn didn't have a good enough defense to
Speaker 2: be a national championship winner, just like in twenty ten.
Speaker 2: The defense did not come anywhere close to leading the
Speaker 2: way for the Tigers. But the fact is the off
Speaker 2: was amazing enough on the ground, and they had a
Speaker 2: knack for surviving. I don't know if you remember the
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen Auburn Texas A and M game. That was
Speaker 2: sheer survival from Auburn. And you know what, great teams
Speaker 2: survive and they figure out how to win and they
Speaker 2: win moments. You have the kick six, you have the
Speaker 2: Georgia game. If you remember the tip ball to Ricardo Lewis. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so they're somehow finding ways to survive. That was kind
Speaker 2: of was forty three thirty eight was that Georgia game.
Speaker 2: So they don't get they don't get a lot in
Speaker 2: the way of stops, but they get a ton in
Speaker 2: the way of Nick Marshall and sort of third and eight,
Speaker 2: nobody's there.
Speaker 1: Oh there's Nick Marshall running for eight point two yards.
Speaker 2: They got a lot of that out of Nick Marshall
Speaker 2: and Trey Mason that season. And it should have been
Speaker 2: good enough for Auburn to beat Florida State because they
Speaker 2: came out with such an amazing game plan. It was
Speaker 2: Nick Marshall here, it was Trey Mason there. They were
Speaker 2: slicing and dicing a very good Florida State defense. But
Speaker 2: ultimately the calm, the poise, the play calling of Florida
Speaker 2: State to crawl back into this game, wins out, and
Speaker 2: Auburn was right there. So the answer to our first
Speaker 2: question or whatever question, is yes, Auburn absolutely could have one.
Speaker 2: What held them back? Second half? Play calling?
Speaker 1: Execution? Is there a what if to you about twenty
Speaker 1: thirteen and the teams involved? The what if to me
Speaker 1: is what if the kick six doesn't happen? Right? What
Speaker 1: if the kick six doesn't happen? And instead of Auburn,
Speaker 1: we're talking about Alabama against Florida State. This is a
Speaker 1: really good Alabama team too. This was AJ mccern, This
Speaker 1: was TJ. Yeldon, Kenyan Drake and Derrick Henry all in
Speaker 1: the same team, same backfield, which is asinine three NFL
Speaker 1: caliber running backs. You also had Amari Cooper had the
Speaker 1: most receptions on that team, Christian Jones, Kevin Norwood, O J. Howard,
Speaker 1: the Andrew White. There are some ballers on this offense,
Speaker 1: to say the least. And that's not even talking about
Speaker 1: the defense, which had CJ. Moseley and Lane Collins, Taha
Speaker 1: Clinton Dix is Sean Robinson's like, there were some players
Speaker 1: on this team.
Speaker 2: I'm not too hung up on the what ifs. Louisville
Speaker 2: had a really nice season that year. I don't know,
Speaker 2: I just nothing really jumps out to me from a
Speaker 2: what if. I don't think even as good as Oregon
Speaker 2: was that year, they lost a couple of games that
Speaker 2: they shouldn't have. Well they should have because they lost them,
Speaker 2: but they weren't good enough to beat Florida State that season.
Speaker 2: So I'm happy that we had Auburn getting the chance,
Speaker 2: especially with how they finished out the season to get
Speaker 2: a shot at Florida State. Just a bummer if you're
Speaker 2: an Auburn fan, obviously that they couldn't close the door.
Speaker 1: Where did Auburn go from here? Well, the next year
Speaker 1: eight and five, the year after that, seven and six,
Speaker 1: the year after that eight and five again, it wasn't
Speaker 1: until twenty seventeen that they had a double digit win
Speaker 1: season and they finished tenth in the AP Poll. But
Speaker 1: you know, twenty eighteen, eight and five, again, twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: this past season, nine and four, a good team. Questions
Speaker 1: at quarterback. We talked a lot about the twenty nine
Speaker 1: teen team. Fair to say, they have not gotten back
Speaker 1: to that level since the twenty thirteen season. They've had
Speaker 1: some good squads. We've had good players for sure, But
Speaker 1: part of I think the consternation around the gust Malson
Speaker 1: era is trying to recapture some of that magic.
Speaker 2: Tight It was pretty magical the way they almost beat UCF, though,
Speaker 2: that was well, sure there was Pixie dust in what
Speaker 2: was that the Peach Bowl a couple of years ago,
Speaker 2: so there's that at least. Yeah, No, they haven't really
Speaker 2: fully gotten there. They've made their way through coordinators and
Speaker 2: I can't even count the stories of Gus Melson calling plays,
Speaker 2: not calling plays, retaining play calling duties, taking giving away
Speaker 2: play calling duties.
Speaker 1: So the good thing is the defense.
Speaker 2: Has solidified for Auburn if that was the concern in
Speaker 2: twenty ten and twenty thirteen, which is fair to say,
Speaker 2: the defense has become incredible. They are probably they're probably
Speaker 2: just a developed quarterback away from contending for the national
Speaker 2: championship again. And you know they were in the SEC
Speaker 2: championship game not too long ago. This is a team
Speaker 2: that's still there. So great move hiring Gus Malson, even
Speaker 2: with the consternation that comes with coaching at Auburn.
Speaker 1: If you're a head coach, final team this show the
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen Oregon Ducks. Your Oregon Ducks of note here.
Speaker 1: This is the first year of the playoff. Yes, it
Speaker 1: is first year of the playoffs. So Florida State wins
Speaker 1: the national championship for twenty thirteen, they go into a
Speaker 1: playoff semi final against the Oregon Ducks. They lose. They
Speaker 1: get drilled fifty nine to twenty in the Rose Bowl.
Speaker 1: Is an Oregon team that went thirteen and two this season.
Speaker 1: They lost at home at the start of September to
Speaker 1: Arizona and then they went on to lose forty two
Speaker 1: to twenty to Ohio State in the National Championship game.
Speaker 1: Really Good Offense fourth according to the SMP. Really Good
Speaker 1: Defense seventeenth according to the SMB. The notable player for
Speaker 1: the Oregon Dux this year was Marcus Mariota. Marcus Mariota
Speaker 1: was a Frickin' beast. Won the Heisman almost forty five
Speaker 1: hundred yards forty five touchdowns to just four interceptions. He
Speaker 1: also rushed for close to eight hundred yards, had another
Speaker 1: sixteen offensive touchdowns, even caught a touchdown. That's how versatile
Speaker 1: he was. He was really the focal point of this team,
Speaker 1: and for good reason. He was unstoppable, right, just utterly
Speaker 1: unstoppable this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the best offense of the Oregon era,
Speaker 2: which you know, the spread, hurry up era, where now
Speaker 2: no longer in as we watch Oregon sort of become
Speaker 2: more of a power team. But yeah, this was the
Speaker 2: best offense in the country by I think a considerable
Speaker 2: distance in twenty fourteen. Ultimately, though, Oregon and Mark Helfrich
Speaker 2: make a terrible decision. They Nick Aliotti retires after the
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen season. I think they beat Texas in the
Speaker 2: Alima Ble in Mac Brown's final game for Texas, and
Speaker 2: Mark Helfrich replaces him with Don Pelham, who is a
Speaker 2: promotion from linebacker coach. Instead of going out and finding
Speaker 2: the best possible candidate, Mark Helfrich goes with continuity instead,
Speaker 2: and defensively, it is disappointing in year one, which is
Speaker 2: the National Championship season, and it turns into a full
Speaker 2: on disaster that culminates in even Brady Hokee failing to
Speaker 2: turn things around at Oregon. But that's in the near
Speaker 2: future stuff. But Oregon rides its offense to this National
Speaker 2: Championship game. They're probably not as talented as the Florida
Speaker 2: State team. They trounced, but Florida State was exhausted and
Speaker 2: just not at all on the same page and fully
Speaker 2: willing to give up, and they lose that game.
Speaker 1: I was there.
Speaker 2: It was absolutely happening in front of my eyes, Florida
Speaker 2: State giving up and just wanting to leave. So Oregon
Speaker 2: gets the nod to the National Championship game. They meet
Speaker 2: Ohio State, who ultimately run literally pasted Alabama. This is
Speaker 2: the Blake Simms Alabama team, twenty four team. It's Zeke Elliott,
Speaker 2: it's Cardile Jones. Third stringer j T. Barrett gets hurt
Speaker 2: against I think it's Michigan. He gets hurt later on
Speaker 2: in the season, and of course Braxton Miller gets hurt
Speaker 2: before the season even begins, so they're down to their
Speaker 2: third string quarterback and Oregon. What holds them back is
Speaker 2: probably a combination of losing a lot on offense. They
Speaker 2: lose their left tackle before the season starts, so that
Speaker 2: doesn't really fully count because they have the whole season
Speaker 2: to figure out things without him, but they lose their
Speaker 2: starting tight end and they lose three receivers I believe,
Speaker 2: so it's Devin Allen, Darren Carrington to suspension and Braylan
Speaker 2: Addison early on in the season. So they're down a
Speaker 2: lot of firepower on offense, and defensively they're down their
Speaker 2: best corner who gets hurt in practice after the Rose Bowl,
Speaker 2: and so they're pretty hobbled. But ultimately they don't have
Speaker 2: the dudes on defense after I mean on the line
Speaker 2: they do. They have a couple first round picks on
Speaker 2: the line, but at linebacker. The secondary is just it's
Speaker 2: not you know, they don't have Winter Wonders tie we
Speaker 2: like to say. And so they generate turnovers, they get
Speaker 2: to Cardale Jones enough, but they're not able to string
Speaker 2: together drives. I know they score. I think they jump
Speaker 2: out to a seven to nothing lead. They generate turnovers,
Speaker 2: but they're not ever able to capitalize. And it's just
Speaker 2: Tom Herman and Zeke Elliott over and over and over again.
Speaker 1: I was there.
Speaker 2: It was not pleasant. If you were there and you
Speaker 2: were an Ohio State fan, I'm sure it had to
Speaker 2: have been incredible. But that was ultimately that's what kept
Speaker 2: them back is they couldn't tackle in space at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is you know, not to go back to
Speaker 1: the playoff thing, but this is a super interesting year,
Speaker 1: not just because it was the first year of the playoff,
Speaker 1: but because of the matchups right right, you had returning
Speaker 1: national champion Florida State Jameis Winston. You had national championship
Speaker 1: aspirations for the new Heisman winner in Marcus Mariota. You
Speaker 1: had on the other side of things in Alabama team
Speaker 1: that was clearly in the midst of its run, going
Speaker 1: up against an Ohio State team that was playing its
Speaker 1: third string quarterback and went on this amazing run at
Speaker 1: its own right through the end of the regular season,
Speaker 1: the Big Ten Championship, the playoffs, and now into the
Speaker 1: National Championship. So a lot of interesting storylines that were
Speaker 1: waiting for us in the first year of the College
Speaker 1: Football Playoff. The question that I posed to you on
Speaker 1: our Super Secret chat where did you come down on
Speaker 1: the twenty ten Oregon team that we talked about a
Speaker 1: bit ago versus this twenty fourteen team, Because at least
Speaker 1: if you look up and down the roster, you can
Speaker 1: make a case that the twenty ten version was an
Speaker 1: all round, like, more well rounded team, sure, definitely, whereas
Speaker 1: this twenty fourteen team certainly had some headliners in the
Speaker 1: form of DeForest Buckner and Royce Freeman who was only
Speaker 1: a freshman at the time, and Marcus Mariota who went
Speaker 1: on to great things. But it just felt like, in
Speaker 1: looking up and down the roster that maybe that twenty
Speaker 1: ten version was more well rounded. It was just that
Speaker 1: the high the peaks were higher in twenty fourteen, and
Speaker 1: perhaps they were hampered a bit by.
Speaker 2: The likes of Don Pelham. Yeah, I think twenty fourteen
Speaker 2: was a better team. Defense was never going to fully
Speaker 2: win Oregon a national championship. It had to be passable,
Speaker 2: and it was definitely passable. It was actually pretty good
Speaker 2: in twenty ten and not great in twenty fourteen. But yeah,
Speaker 2: the fact is the best thing on the field, if
Speaker 2: you're going to play those two teams against each other,
Speaker 2: is the twenty fourteen Oregon offense. They have the better
Speaker 2: results during the season. They don't have as many scares,
Speaker 2: even though they do lose a game, and the twenty
Speaker 2: ten team doesn't lose a game.
Speaker 1: Their highs were just higher.
Speaker 2: They beat a very good Michigan State team they eventually
Speaker 2: run away from them, and the twenty ten team doesn't
Speaker 2: have that kind of non conference and check mark on
Speaker 2: their schedule, So I think it's twenty fourteen because of
Speaker 2: Marcus Mariota and what just how just ludicrous that offense
Speaker 2: was in his fourth season in Eugene, third season as starter,
Speaker 2: he took a red shirt year. The if you're talking
Speaker 2: about winter wonders, the absurdity of Marcus Mariota wins out.
Speaker 1: I think that's right.
Speaker 2: Okay, is our team though, because I have an answer
Speaker 2: for a team that I think could have challenged Ohio State. Oh,
Speaker 2: go ahead, I think that year's TCU team, and I
Speaker 2: know we had that sixty one to fifty eight loss
Speaker 2: to Baylor earlier on in the season, and there was
Speaker 2: that controversy. You know, Ohio State loses early on to
Speaker 2: Virginia Tech and they ultimately get into the playoff as
Speaker 2: the number four team over TCU or Baylor, and I
Speaker 2: get all of that frustration if you're a Baylor fan
Speaker 2: or a TCU fan. I probably go Frogs here because
Speaker 2: I think they were good enough on defense that I
Speaker 2: would have trusted them more against Cardale Jones and Zeke
Speaker 2: Elliott than I would have Oregon, though ultimately the Ducks undoing,
Speaker 2: and to have Trevon Boykin to have the type of
Speaker 2: talent that he had around him. I think they just
Speaker 2: completely blitzkrieg. Ole missed that season. In the bowl game,
Speaker 2: it's like forty two to three or something like that.
Speaker 2: TCU was, they were on a war path, and so
Speaker 2: that is the answer with as and I thought Ohio
Speaker 2: State did an amazing job adjusting to the speed of
Speaker 2: Oregon's offense. Their defensive line was everywhere, their linebackers were everywhere.
Speaker 2: I still think there's a good chance they beat TCU,
Speaker 2: just like they beat Oregon. But that's the clear answer
Speaker 2: to me that year's Frogs not going back to twenty
Speaker 2: ten because I don't think there is talented I don't
Speaker 2: think they're as battle tested as the twenty fourteen team was.
Speaker 2: I'm going TCU. Everybody has a bad day, you give
Speaker 2: up sixty, that's fine. Ultimately, they still had a really
Speaker 2: really strong defense. That's the curiosity to me what the
Speaker 2: Frogs look like, because I know what Baylor looked like
Speaker 2: when they had a chance to put an exclamation point
Speaker 2: on the season and they lose. So I'm going to
Speaker 2: see you here.
Speaker 1: That TCU team scored forty six and a half points
Speaker 1: per game and allowed under twenty allowed nineteen per game.
Speaker 1: A big year for Trevon Boyken almost well he did.
Speaker 1: He got the thirty nine hundred yards thirty three touchdowns.
Speaker 1: Josh Doson had a big year that year. Remember him,
Speaker 1: of course?
Speaker 2: Interesting, all right, Yeah, Baylor loses one of the weirder games,
Speaker 2: by the way, in their bowl game, I think it's
Speaker 2: the Cotton Bowl that season. They lose forty two to
Speaker 2: forty one. Michigan State comes back. They just decide to
Speaker 2: completely sell out to stop Baylor on the ground. Baylor
Speaker 2: finishes with like seven hundred yards through the air and
Speaker 2: negative forty on the ground.
Speaker 1: What a weird fun game. So as we look at
Speaker 1: this grouping here twenty ten, Oregon, twenty eleven, LSU twenty twelve,
Speaker 1: Notre Dame, twenty thirteen, Auburn twenty fourteen, Oregon, do we
Speaker 1: take any of them over two thousand and five USC. Yes, so.
Speaker 2: I probably I probably take the twenty fourteen Oregon team.
Speaker 2: I probably take the twenty thirteen That Auburn team.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: The defense is tough, but I take good passing team.
Speaker 2: So I'm not taking Notre Dame. I saw what Oregon
Speaker 2: was able to do against Pete Carroll better Pete Carroll
Speaker 2: defenses later on in his tenure, so that has me
Speaker 2: confident that that sort of spread with the talent that
Speaker 2: they ultimately built up on offense. I'm gonna say the
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen Oregon team. I think Gus Malson is able
Speaker 2: to to with a running quarterback, just like what we
Speaker 2: saw a weakness of USC's that year, and Nick Marshall,
Speaker 2: albeit different physically, I think they have a very good chance.
Speaker 2: And twenty eleven LSU, with how good that defense is,
Speaker 2: I think they also have a chance. But I'm favoring
Speaker 2: I think Auburn and Oregon because that defense just did
Speaker 2: not have the speed to tackle in space and the
Speaker 2: ability to tackle in space. That was ultimately their undoing
Speaker 2: against Texas. So I think those are the two teams
Speaker 2: I think I'm taking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the Oregon and or Auburn. The answer
Speaker 1: here is interesting just because of how both teams use
Speaker 1: the quarterback. Both teams played with a lot of tempo
Speaker 1: right and we're very good at utilizing space, and the
Speaker 1: defense are used to defending speed. The Reggie Bush would
Speaker 1: get his against anybody ever, but in terms of what
Speaker 1: USC had and horsepower wise, on offense. Yes, they would
Speaker 1: have scored against twenty fourteen Oregon and twenty thirteen Auburn,
Speaker 1: but there's experience in dealing with speed from those defenses.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think with those quarterbacks and those offensive
Speaker 1: systems and those offensive coaches, yeah, they would have put
Speaker 1: a lot of points on that two thousand and five
Speaker 1: USC defense. That twenty thirteen Auburn defense was pretty good too.
Speaker 1: I mean it didn't it didn't necessarily rise to the
Speaker 1: level of elite when you look at the numbers. I
Speaker 1: think I had what forty fifth or something in the
Speaker 1: smp plus. But there were some players on that team.
Speaker 1: I mean, you have christ they came to play against
Speaker 1: an all time Florida State team. They did. They had
Speaker 1: Chris Davis back there, who we talked about with the
Speaker 1: kick six and led the team in tackles. But again,
Speaker 1: some really good pass rushers up front who could change
Speaker 1: the game, who could move the line, and that that
Speaker 1: would have been an interesting combination to see. I don't know,
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Speaker 1: and Clemson.
Speaker 2: Let's see who we have. So we have Clemson losing
Speaker 2: the twenty nineteen season national championship, and then we have
Speaker 2: Alabama losing the twenty eighteen season national championship. Then we
Speaker 2: have Georgia on the last second losing the twenty seventeen
Speaker 2: season national championship. Then we again have Alabama losing to
Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson and Clemson. And the year before that we
Speaker 2: have Deshaun Watson and Clemson losing to I believe Jake
Speaker 2: Koker and the Crimson Tide.
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