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Speaker 1: and Tie, welcome back to the solid verbal, boys and girls.

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Speaker 1: My name is Ty Hildebrandt, joining me as always still

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Speaker 1: way over there in beautiful sunny southern California. My man

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Speaker 1: Dan Rubenstein, sir, how are you.

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Speaker 2: I've got a little indigestion. Oh, all things considered, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And so here we are. I feel good, though, And

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Speaker 2: there's something about some of these teams that we're discussing

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Speaker 2: on part two of First Place Losers that it's definitely

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Speaker 1: Here likewise, as well, to say thet Hello, welcome back,

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Speaker 1: I'm Tie, He's Dan. We are the solid verbal. Yes,

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Speaker 1: We get to talk about Oregon twice in Notre Dame once.

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Speaker 1: Why are we doing on the show again? It was

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Speaker 2: Because we are honoring teams that came up just shorts

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Speaker 1: Auburn offense down to what twenty two points? They're pretty good.

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Speaker 2: solid all around. They had built depth. This is you know,

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Speaker 2: there's depth and that that ultimately, especially with Chip Kelly

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Speaker 1: Your LSU Tigers, Dan mine yours the LSU Tigers eight

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Speaker 2: that's why, like, especially if we're going to discuss other

432
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Speaker 2: teams potentially in contention for the national championship that year, it's.

433
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Speaker 1: Hard to say oh, okay, Yeah, Oklahoma.

434
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 2: State, who had a somewhat legitimate case to be considered

435
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 2: for this national championship team, not National championship game instead

436
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:39,640
Speaker 2: of LSU. They could have made some hay against Alabama. Well,

437
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 2: they had a more creative offense, they had deadlier offensive

438
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 2: skill players, but you're still trying to move a fortress

439
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 2: covered in electric modes, covered in you know, there's so

440
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 2: much weaponry on this Alabama defense that I don't know

441
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 2: that you can make a strong case. But yeah, ultimately

442
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 2: it's not reruiting and developing quarterbacks, which was something that

443
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 2: was going to recur with the LSU offense in less Miles'

444
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 2: tenure over and over and over again.

445
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And that was sort of my next point. I've

446
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: made the point countless times. We saw what happened with

447
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,919
Speaker 1: LSU this year when they really made a commitment to

448
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: the right guys developing the offense, they had the right

449
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: personnel in place to make everything go. But how many

450
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 1: times had we heard it before in the wake of

451
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 1: the less Miles era at LSU, that all we're going

452
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 1: to fix the offense we know offenses is probably we're

453
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Speaker 1: going to fix the offense this year. This is the

454
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Speaker 1: first year they actually did it. It's part of the

455
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Speaker 1: reason why it's really scary moving forward now Joe Burrow

456
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: and Joe Brady they're gone now. Still we know that

457
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: ed Ordron maybe is smart enough to know as weaknesses

458
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 1: and if you can find a way to try and

459
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:54,120
Speaker 1: apply energy with the amount of offensive talent that they

460
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 1: have there, just find ways to keep ramping up that offense,

461
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 1: it makes them really scary. Proposition. Final question on this

462
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: twenty eleven LSU topic is are there any other what ifs?

463
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: If we play the what if game? There any other

464
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 1: what ifs throughout the course of this season that to

465
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: you are I don't know, interesting in hindsight.

466
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Speaker 2: So we absolutely need if we're talking about finding a

467
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Speaker 2: team that will get that will cross midfield against the

468
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Speaker 2: twenty eleven Alabama defense and scare them a little bit

469
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Speaker 2: and keep this close and maybe win a couple moments

470
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Speaker 2: and get a couple breaks and beat this Alabama team.

471
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Speaker 2: Because the twenty eleven Alabama offense was good, not exceptional.

472
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 2: It's not a TOUA Alabama offense. The twenty eleven defense

473
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 2: is obviously crazy good. So we have Wisconsin has is

474
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,679
Speaker 2: the most efficient offensive team in the country. That's Russell

475
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 2: Wilson Wisconsin. There are playmakers, but I don't know how

476
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 2: good that offense is really. I mean that the running

477
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,679
Speaker 2: backs are good, but the pass catchers to really challenge

478
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 2: Alabama down the field, I don't know if they're necessarily

479
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 2: there for Wisconsin. Oklahoma State has those guys, but I

480
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 2: don't think it was actually a good defense.

481
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Speaker 1: For as much as Oklahoma.

482
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 2: State scored, I would have liked to probably have seen

483
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 2: Oklahoma State against this Alabama team more than any other

484
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,400
Speaker 2: team in the country. Looking back, Stanford had a really

485
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 2: good this was David Shaw's first year, a really really

486
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 2: good team and Andrew Luck's final season in Palo Alto.

487
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 2: But Oregon's right behind Stanford and they slack them on

488
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 2: the farm at Stanford. So that's a hard case to

489
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Speaker 2: be made when you lose a game as decisively as

490
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 2: Stanford lost that game. Oregon's an interesting case. They lose

491
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 2: to LSU in Week one, so what do they look

492
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Speaker 2: like later on in the season. Ultimately, I don't think

493
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 2: Oregon had the defense to stop Alabama enough, and that's

494
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 2: sort of it. Twenty eleven had an amazing Bowl season.

495
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 2: Around this twenty one to nothing national championship, including I

496
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Speaker 2: think Houston beat Penn State. I want to say, besides

497
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 2: the Joe pas season. Yeah, is it the Ticket City Bowl?

498
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this was.

499
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 2: I think it's the Row Bolden Penn State team and

500
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 2: the Ticket City Bowl loses to I think it's case

501
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 2: Keenum's final game. There's just a bunch of weird.

502
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that game's that Bowl season. Well, this was

503
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,719
Speaker 1: the twenty eleventh season. I think was a year that

504
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: Justin Blackman caught like one hundred and twenty two balls

505
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: or so. Yeah, I'm looking at one hundred and twenty

506
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: two balls. That's right, one hundred and twenty two balls

507
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: for fifteen hundred and twenty two yards. Justin Blackman. Maybe

508
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 1: it'll work out in the league, but as a college player,

509
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,239
Speaker 1: was a hell of a presence out there between him

510
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: and Brandon Whedon it was.

511
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 2: And Joseph Randall was on that team. Oh man, Yeah, no,

512
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 2: this is a crazy talented offense.

513
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 1: The other question that we do have listed is how

514
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: they followed it up in the near future. A decade

515
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 1: later thereabouts they won a national championship. Yeah, short term

516
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: though with Joe Burrow. Short term though, it you know,

517
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: LSU had a bit of a run, but it started

518
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,360
Speaker 1: to kind of be minishing returns. They don't I won't.

519
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 2: I don't believe after the twenty eleven season. I don't

520
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 2: think they make a BCS game again. Under Les Miles.

521
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,719
Speaker 2: It's Chick fil A Outback, Music City, Texas Bowl. Then

522
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 2: he's fired in the middle of twenty sixteen. They win

523
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 2: ten games in twenty thirteen, but that tenth is their

524
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 2: bowl game, so they go nine to three. The previous

525
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 2: season they go ten to two, So they're good. They're

526
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 2: a top fifteen ish team, but they don't get the

527
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 2: magic back of both that defense and to a certain extent,

528
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 2: that offense, even though in twenty thirteen that's the Zach

529
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 2: Mettenberger year where it's I think Jeremy Hill in the

530
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 2: backfield and then coming into their own OBJ and Jarvis Landry.

531
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 2: That's a really fun LSU offense. But they just can't

532
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 2: get a lose SEC games where they didn't before, and

533
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,959
Speaker 2: they just can't crack the ceiling that Less Miles had.

534
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 2: I suppose from the two thousand and seven season in

535
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 2: the twenty eleven season.

536
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Speaker 1: That brings us Daniel to the two thousand twelve Notre

537
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: Dame fighting irish. I'm just gonna leave your mic open time.

538
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: Just keep talking. Notre Dame that year went twelve to

539
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: oh in the regular season. They lost in the title

540
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: game in Miami forty two to fourteen to the Alabama

541
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: Crimson Tide. You look at the S and P numbers

542
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: for that Notre Dame team. You're okay on offense. They

543
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: weren't world beaters, but they're okay, much better on defense overall.

544
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: We both found this interesting. Our friend Bill Connolly's then

545
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: SNP plus before they dropped the end was fifteenth, the

546
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: fifteenth best team according to Bill's rankings. Right, that's pretty

547
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: damn significant, isn't it. That tells you something. They're right

548
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: out of the shoot. Yeah, that maybe you're not a

549
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: national caliber team tells you something. Right out of the

550
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: shoot they were national caliber, but maybe not national championship caliber.

551
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: Give me the context, Give me the context. Your your

552
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: your unbiased context for what led to this point in

553
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: the twenty twelve season.

554
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 2: So, this is this is year three of Brian Kelly.

555
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 2: Right three, This is year three of Brian Kelly. This

556
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 2: is ever Golson starting as a red shirt freshman. This

557
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 2: is a talented defense there. You know Mantiiteo's in the middle.

558
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 2: He has you know, himself in the news later on

559
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,479
Speaker 2: in the season, I want to say, into November with

560
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 2: the catfishing situation that he found himself in. But on

561
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 2: all three levels of this defense, there was talented and

562
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 2: there was talented players and they produced. There's just no

563
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 2: dudes on offense outside of the offensive line. Yeah, but

564
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 2: Zach Martin is the dude anchoring this line. Our friend

565
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 2: Michael Lock junior playing on this line as well. It's

566
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 2: just I don't know what this offense is. And I

567
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 2: know you have opinions on the offense, but you look

568
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 2: at what they did during the season, and it's close

569
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 2: call after close call against five and seventy after five

570
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 2: and seven team, whether it's Purdue or I mean, Michigan

571
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: was fine that season. I think BYU was a close call.

572
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 2: They have overtime against a good Stanford team. The Oklahoma

573
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 2: game was impressive. They go to three overtimes against pitt

574
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 2: and score twenty nine points and three overtimes. This is

575
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: a pit team that lost to Youngstown State, an FCS

576
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: team to open up the season, and so this might

577
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: be a Hall of fame LRO team. If we're going

578
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 2: to use solid verbal parlance, that is just it only

579
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 2: lasts so long, tie my ability to escape so so teams,

580
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 2: and it's just not going to last against this Alabama

581
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 2: defense and Eddie Lacy and Amari Cooper. So this was

582
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 2: a very interesting year for Notre Dame. Obviously, they went undefeated,

583
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 2: they made it to the National Championship, but the quarterback

584
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 2: spot was really up for grabs and no one really

585
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 2: knew what was going to happen. Eventually, Everett Golsen wins

586
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 2: the job as a freshman, and that was news in

587
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: an of itself. But this was a season, this was

588
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: a campaign that was almost entirely built on defense. You

589
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 2: think of where we're at now, with all the news

590
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 2: that we read about, how much do you yearn for the.

591
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: Days of Manti Tao's fake girlfriend Dan? Wouldn't you kill

592
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: for some news like that right now? I mean, in retrospect,

593
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: you feel sort of really sorry for him that just

594
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: to find yourself in that situation. I feel sorry for

595
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: I feel sorry for him. It was, no doubt a

596
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: huge shit storm. Let's be clear that I'm sure he

597
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: wanted no part of that. Notre Dame wanted to know

598
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: part of dead'spin. Loved it. It was a great story

599
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: if you didn't like Notre Dame. But Manti Tayo found

600
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: himself the victim of a catfishing thing. They have embellished

601
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: a little bit, let's be clear, but yeah. Nonetheless, Manti

602
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: Teo had a great year that year, one hundred and

603
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: thirteen tackles, seven interceptions as the middle linebacker, the anchor

604
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: of this team. And there was defense defense led by

605
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: Bob Diaco. Here defensive talent, high level defensive talent in

606
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: the form of Lewis Nicks and Stefan Towitt, Caapran, Lewis Moore,

607
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: who had a hell of a year. There were some

608
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: ballers on this defense. The offense, though, when you look

609
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: a little closer at what they had outside of Everett Golson,

610
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: you really start to wonder, like, Wow, how did how

611
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: did this happen? What exactly was this offense? In twenty twelve,

612
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: we talked about the twenty eleven LSU receiving Corps. By comparison,

613
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: let's talk about TJ. Jones, Tyler EIFERD. Devares Daniels and

614
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: Robbie Toma and Oh theo Riddick getting plugged in at

615
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: both running back and receiver depending on how Brian Kelly

616
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: needs him. That's what we're talking about here.

617
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 2: Not a lot of dudes on that list, I guess

618
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 2: beyond Tyler eiferd who led the team, I believe in

619
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: receiving right, he.

620
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: Led the team in receiving yardage. She was tied for

621
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: receptions with TJ. Jones. Both he and TJ. Jones, both

622
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: of whom, by the way, went on to play in

623
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 1: the NFL, but both of them had game breaking ability.

624
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: Though right fifty balls caught that season. The offenses, I

625
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: remember it constituted mostly of ever Goholston running around until

626
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: he could figure something out right, which under normal circumstances

627
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: isn't really that sustainable. But he was just he was

628
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: crazy athletic. He was sort of fearless, very erratic, but

629
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: he brought his a game to a night game in Oklahoma,

630
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: turned in his best performance in Norman. They went on

631
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: the road, they won that game, and it was from

632
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: that point forward that you started wondering, like, despite all

633
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: the erratic qualities that Golson had, what was he good

634
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: enough in big moments to sort of get notre Dame

635
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: through the end of the year undefeated and over the

636
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: finish line as one of the top two teams. Eventually

637
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: might have been something he gets up for. The Blockie

638
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 1: finishes in there. But ultimately the defense was good enough.

639
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: They they bent, they didn't break. The offense got enough

640
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: moments cobbled together to get them into that final game

641
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: in Miami against the Alabama Crimson time, what was your

642
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: recollection of getting to that National Championship game? Dan, Like,

643
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: I don't mean from the Notre Dame perspective, I mean

644
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: from the solid verbal perspective. If you remember that trip for.

645
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 2: Us, Yeah, it was a good time. We explored Miami,

646
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 2: we ate well. We ultimately decided not to go to

647
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 2: the game, but we had I feel like, what are

648
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: we stay in? Like Fort Lauderdale. We stayed not too

649
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 2: far away from Yeah, so all time leaving New York

650
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 2: in the winter, I.

651
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: Fell asleep after Notre Dame fell behind twenty with nothing

652
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: at the start of the second quarter. It still got

653
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: worse too. It still got worse. So to give you

654
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: some context, we had gone to the National Championship for

655
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: the first time in twenty ten. We skipped the nine

656
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 1: to six year but we went in twenty twelve. Now,

657
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: you know, we had contacts here and there, but for

658
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: this one, we couldn't get anyone to answer us about

659
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: a press pass. So we said, screw it, We're just

660
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: going to show up the whole week. We did interviews

661
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: in the lobby of some hotel in Miami, wherever the

662
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: media stayed. It was cold as hell in that lobby.

663
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: I remember I was freezing cold in that lobby. But

664
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: we did a ton of interviews. It was a lot

665
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: of fun. We got invited to some ESPN party. We're

666
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: all excited about. We dressed up. Remember it took us

667
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: two hours to get there. We're lucky we made it

668
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,240
Speaker 1: at all. We showed up comically late. My lasting memory

669
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: of that was sitting on the chairs outside whatever schwanky club.

670
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: This was watching the cars, watching the people, and then

671
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: seeing Josh Elliott walk by. I remember I was transtixt

672
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: by Josh Elliott at the time. I think he was

673
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,280
Speaker 1: still working. Was this at the Della and my Delano?

674
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: That's it, the Delano and you and I. It was

675
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: super swanky. It was great. Oh, we sat outside, we

676
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: waited for the car. All these fancy cars are driving by,

677
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: doesn't the valet just roll up in our Nissan Versa

678
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: hatchback that we got ours, the solid Versa, our crappy

679
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 1: rental that we deemed the Solid Versa. We see Josh

680
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: Elliott rolling by, We're hearing stories about show thighs. Been

681
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 1: walking down the road. There we are. We can't really

682
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: get it anywhere we went. Afterwards, we got a Cuban sandwich,

683
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: went on to do interviews the rest of the week,

684
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: and then there was that moment for me of internal

685
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: dialogue and what I find after going to after all

686
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: these national championship games, what I find about going to

687
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: these media events is that if you get enough media

688
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: people on the college football side in a room for

689
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: a long enough period of time talking about the same thing,

690
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 1: eventually you talk each other out of whatever your preconceived

691
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 1: notions were. So coming into this game, I think everyone

692
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: knew that Alabama was they were the better team. Like

693
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: everyone knew they were the better team, and everyone felt

694
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: that way going into this week. But then what happens

695
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 1: the closer you get the game time, people talk themselves

696
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 1: into Everett Golson's a big game quarterback. Maybe he doesn't

697
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,720
Speaker 1: have the numbers, but he just he wins those moments,

698
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,439
Speaker 1: Manti tale, he's got something to prove. You know, this

699
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: is a defense, right, don't underestimate that Notre Dame defense.

700
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: They'd be getting it done all year and so in

701
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: the end, paying nine hundred dollars for a ticket, though

702
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: it sounds like a lot, could be my one shot

703
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 1: to see a national championship in my lifetime keep going.

704
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 1: So eventually, despite all of that talk about I wouldn't

705
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 1: want to bet against this Notre Dame defense, bet against him, eventually,

706
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: I like, screw it. I'm not paying nine hundred dollars

707
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: for this. I don't care. I don't care what Stu

708
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 1: Mandel liked that he heard at Media Day. It doesn't matter.

709
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: I'm not paying one hundred dollars. I'm glad I did.

710
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: I did not buy the ticket. I probably spent that

711
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: money on a new phone or something later in the year.

712
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,479
Speaker 1: But Notre Dame goes on to lose by a forty

713
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: two to fourteen score. It was never really close at all.

714
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: What was your interesting what if scenario for the twenty

715
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: twelve season?

716
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 2: Everybody else, literally anybody else, now this this was another

717
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 2: excellent Alabama team. You would have needed something special to

718
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 2: beat this Alabama team. They do, of course, lose a

719
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 2: game during the season, but the fact that we got

720
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 2: Notre Dame I remember being.

721
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: Bummed about it.

722
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 2: In twenty twelve, I think they lost to Johnny Manziel

723
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 2: and Texas A and M in that ridiculously amazing game.

724
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 2: It was twenty nine to twenty four I believe was

725
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 2: a final score at home. They lose to TEXTA, A

726
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: and M. So we'll start there in terms of what ifs.

727
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 2: What if Texas A and M got another shot at

728
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 2: Alabama that would have been nice, but you know, A

729
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 2: and M loses what they lose. I think they lose

730
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 2: two games that season, but just obliterate Oklahoma in the

731
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 2: Cotton Bowl. You have Aaron Murray and Georgia coming up

732
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 2: just short against Alabama, so they had their shot. Oregon

733
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 2: themselves had an amazing season. They only lose to that

734
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 2: year as Stanford, and it's another good Stanford team, but

735
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 2: they finished season strong and they beat Kansas State. That

736
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 2: would have been at least somewhat interesting because we'll have

737
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 2: Marcus Mariota his freshman season and this is the best

738
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 2: Chip Kelly Oregon team. I would claim this is the

739
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 2: best Oregon team of all time. The twenty twelve team

740
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 2: was the deepest, the most well rounded Oregon team. That

741
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 2: would have been an interesting shot for Alabama even Boise

742
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 2: State to a certain degree that season. It falls off

743
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 2: after that. But what Texas A and M showed against

744
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 2: Alabama red shirt freshman Johnny Manziel at the Helm, and

745
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 2: how they finished out the season just doing what they

746
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 2: did in the Cotton Bowl to Oklahoma, that would have

747
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 2: been interesting. But we've already seen it. We saw it.

748
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: They were better than Alabama in twenty twelve. That's just period.

749
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: It was settled in Tuscaloosa twenty twelve. Notre Dame lost

750
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 1: forty two to fourteen. After this point, though, as we've

751
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,479
Speaker 1: been asking here, what did teams do after this? Well,

752
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: Notre Dame is an interesting case because Notre Dame when

753
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly took over, was still trying to figure out

754
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: what to do post Charlie Weiss. And as I've said

755
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: time and again on the show, I think Brian Kelly

756
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 1: built the team in a really good way. I think

757
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: he built from the inside out. He obviously got a

758
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: ton of talent along the offensive line. We had some

759
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: ballers on this offensive line. This was Harry high Stands

760
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,479
Speaker 1: first season, I believe, yeah. I mean, he did really

761
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: well recruiting tight ends, had a lot of pre eminent

762
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: tight ends coming through, really just improve things across the board.

763
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 1: And I don't know if they've had a defense quite

764
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: this caliber since then, but I would say ultimately the

765
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: talent level has risen. The one missing piece, the missing

766
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: link that they still have yet to really solve as

767
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 1: the quarter position. This is going to be the first year,

768
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: provided we have a season, that Notre Dame has had

769
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: the same starting quarterback for three consecutive years in the

770
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly era. That's meaningful. Just hard to do for anybody, though,

771
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: It's hard to do for anybody, But there has been

772
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 1: so much turnover at the quarterback position that I think

773
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: to some extent it's really held them back. So we'll

774
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: see what it means for them in twenty twenty or

775
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one again, whenever all this happens again. But nonetheless,

776
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 1: I think things from here went in a positive direction.

777
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: Despite the fact that Notre Dame didn't get back to

778
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: a national championship game, they have made it to a playoff.

779
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: They have been in contention with more consistency than at

780
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,959
Speaker 1: any point before, certainly the twenty twelve season. So they've

781
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: done a good thing since then. They were win.

782
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 2: Eligible against Clemson in their playoff appearance. I'll point that

783
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 2: out go the record saying they were win eligible. Could

784
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: Notre Dame have won? No, they could not have won

785
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 2: this game. They fell down thirty five to nothing with

786
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: you know, sort of halfway through the third quarter, Eddie

787
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 2: Lacy had his way. AJ mccarenta, Marii Cooper had their way.

788
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 2: You'll remember this was the Brent Musburger Catherine Webb, oh

789
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,720
Speaker 2: where he noticed AJ mccaron's then girling in the crowd,

790
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 2: and that became she was the next I guess when

791
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 2: Brent Musburger discovered Jen Sturger in the crowd. So I

792
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 2: guess Brent Musburger had an eye for something. When games

793
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 2: got out of hand, Alabama had their way with Notre Dame.

794
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 2: Notre Dame what held them back? They were flat out

795
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 2: not good.

796
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: Enough to be in this kid. They weren't. They weren't

797
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: good at Obama. They weren't good. They didn't have the

798
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: skill talent, didn't have the skill. Time.

799
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 2: Yes, I think twenty twelve. Wise, if we're talking about

800
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,439
Speaker 2: who could have hung in a more impressive fashion, it's

801
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 2: obviously A and M since they already won. It's Oregon

802
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 2: and Georgia. Beyond that, I'm not crazy about anybody within

803
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 2: the context of whatever the top five, ten, twelve of

804
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 2: college football that season.

805
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: But so it is.

806
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 2: That's what we had from twenty twelve, and at least

807
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 2: we got to go to Florida and enjoy some warmth.

808
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: Twenty thirteen, it's the Auburn Tigers. They went twelve and

809
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 1: two that season. They lost on the road in September,

810
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 1: I guess the end of September to LSU. LSU was

811
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: number six at the time, and then obviously to Florida

812
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: State and Jamis Winston in the title game. But it

813
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: was thirty four to thirty one that game. They had

814
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: a pretty good sized lead for like fifty six minutes

815
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: of this game. Maybe not all fifty six minutes, but

816
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: they led for fifty six minutes or so in this

817
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: football game. A bit of a second half choke job,

818
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: which I suspect will address when we talk about could

819
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: they have won, but they did lose. This was the

820
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 1: last year of the BCS. The championship went to Jameis Winston.

821
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: This was a good offense, an okay defense gave up

822
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: about twenty five points a game. Maybe not the best,

823
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 1: but they were. They were electric on offense. According to

824
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: Bill Connelly's SMP plus at the time, sixth overall. The

825
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: context here is that this is the kick six This

826
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: is the kick six season, the kick six team. Chris Davis,

827
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: again the Auburn player who returned that shorted field goal

828
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: one hundred plus yards for a touchdown to knock off

829
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 1: Alabama in the Iron Bowl, also led the Auburn Tigers

830
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 1: in tackles that year. They had so much talent on defense.

831
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,439
Speaker 1: It wasn't just Chris Davis. They had d fourd ten

832
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 1: and a half sacks, Carl Lawson four sacks, Montrevius Adams

833
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: also on this team. The offense led by Nick Marshall

834
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: and Trey Mason. This was an offense that was super

835
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 1: creative in the running game. Trey Mason was a bell cow,

836
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: got three hundred and seventeen carries eighteen hundred yards, had

837
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: twenty three touchdowns that year, and I would say, ultimately

838
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: just a fun team to watch it. Sammy Coates is

839
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: a vertical threat. They were just like the persistent wild

840
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: card that was a ton of fun to watch. I

841
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: remember going into that title game against Florida State that

842
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: it wasn't apparent to me like how close they'd be

843
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: able to keep it because everyone was so gung ho

844
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 1: in the Seminoles going into that game. But they were

845
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: just so damn gritty that they were really fun to watch,

846
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 1: weren't they.

847
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 2: Yes, So this is year one of Gus Malson, and

848
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 2: so he is the coordinator on the twenty ten championship team,

849
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 2: the Cam Newton team. He leaves for Arkansas State twenty eleven,

850
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 2: comes back in twenty twelve. Because gene chiswick for all

851
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 2: of the good things. It was a Scott Leffler. Brian

852
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 2: Van Gorder coordinated Auburn program by the time he was fired.

853
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 2: And that's going to get you fired, ty, I just

854
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 2: I assume you agree. That's just going to get you

855
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 2: fired ultimately. And so they're unable to develop a quarterback.

856
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 2: Nick Marshall transfers in. Obviously everybody knows the story. A

857
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 2: Georgia Corner high school quarterback, but a Georgia Corner he

858
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 2: transfers to Auburn. So he's a first year quarterback, with

859
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:05,439
Speaker 2: the first year coach, and Auburn they have to sort

860
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 2: of sneak their way in almost to the point where

861
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 2: they're considered a national contender. They open up the first

862
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 2: BCS rankings at number eleven. That's October twentieth, so that's

863
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 2: the ground that they need to make up. They get

864
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 2: to number nine on November third. They move up to

865
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 2: number seven on November tenth, so we have Alabama at

866
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 2: the top of the sport, the defending national champ. They

867
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 2: lose the Kick six game. Florida State has been incredible

868
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 2: all season long. Jamis Winston's in the news for all

869
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 2: of the right and wrong reasons, but they keep winning.

870
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 2: Florida State does, and they have this incredible upper classmen

871
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 2: Leyden team, so they end up at number one December first.

872
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 2: Ohio State is right there number two, but then ultimately

873
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 2: Ohio State loses in the Big Ten Championship game. Auburn

874
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 2: wins on the Kick six game. Auburn wins the SEC

875
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 2: Championship Game, and Auburn thus gets to the National Championship game.

876
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 2: By the way, that SEC Championship game was maybe my

877
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 2: all time favorite, so good Zoo Auburn game like fifty

878
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 2: something to forty something.

879
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: You have this the crazy good receivers for Miszoo. It's

880
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: casual dress, James Franklin, it's Nick Marshall and Trey Mason

881
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 1: going everywhere. Just a wall to wall entertaining game. Auburn

882
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: ends up in the championship game. Could Auburn have won Absolutely,

883
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. The Tigers could have won this National championship.

884
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: They sort of go into a shell in the second half.

885
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: You know, they miss opportunities even in the first half

886
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: as they build it was it twenty one to three

887
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: lead at halftime, Yeah, it's twenty one three lead at halftime.

888
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 1: They go into a shell.

889
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 2: They score late, but Florida State drives down the field

890
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 2: and scores with almost no time left, and Auburn only

891
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 2: has a prayer of a kick return to try and

892
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 2: win the game and it doesn't work out. The interesting

893
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 2: thing is Auburn didn't have a good enough defense to

894
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 2: be a national championship winner, just like in twenty ten.

895
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 2: The defense did not come anywhere close to leading the

896
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 2: way for the Tigers. But the fact is the off

897
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 2: was amazing enough on the ground, and they had a

898
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 2: knack for surviving. I don't know if you remember the

899
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen Auburn Texas A and M game. That was

900
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 2: sheer survival from Auburn. And you know what, great teams

901
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 2: survive and they figure out how to win and they

902
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 2: win moments. You have the kick six, you have the

903
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 2: Georgia game. If you remember the tip ball to Ricardo Lewis. Yeah,

904
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 2: so they're somehow finding ways to survive. That was kind

905
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 2: of was forty three thirty eight was that Georgia game.

906
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 2: So they don't get they don't get a lot in

907
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 2: the way of stops, but they get a ton in

908
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 2: the way of Nick Marshall and sort of third and eight,

909
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 2: nobody's there.

910
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: Oh there's Nick Marshall running for eight point two yards.

911
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 2: They got a lot of that out of Nick Marshall

912
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 2: and Trey Mason that season. And it should have been

913
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 2: good enough for Auburn to beat Florida State because they

914
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 2: came out with such an amazing game plan. It was

915
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 2: Nick Marshall here, it was Trey Mason there. They were

916
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 2: slicing and dicing a very good Florida State defense. But

917
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 2: ultimately the calm, the poise, the play calling of Florida

918
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 2: State to crawl back into this game, wins out, and

919
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:04,879
Speaker 2: Auburn was right there. So the answer to our first

920
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,959
Speaker 2: question or whatever question, is yes, Auburn absolutely could have one.

921
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 2: What held them back? Second half? Play calling?

922
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: Execution? Is there a what if to you about twenty

923
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: thirteen and the teams involved? The what if to me

924
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: is what if the kick six doesn't happen? Right? What

925
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 1: if the kick six doesn't happen? And instead of Auburn,

926
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: we're talking about Alabama against Florida State. This is a

927
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: really good Alabama team too. This was AJ mccern, This

928
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: was TJ. Yeldon, Kenyan Drake and Derrick Henry all in

929
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 1: the same team, same backfield, which is asinine three NFL

930
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: caliber running backs. You also had Amari Cooper had the

931
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 1: most receptions on that team, Christian Jones, Kevin Norwood, O J. Howard,

932
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: the Andrew White. There are some ballers on this offense,

933
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: to say the least. And that's not even talking about

934
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: the defense, which had CJ. Moseley and Lane Collins, Taha

935
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: Clinton Dix is Sean Robinson's like, there were some players

936
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:06,240
Speaker 1: on this team.

937
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 2: I'm not too hung up on the what ifs. Louisville

938
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 2: had a really nice season that year. I don't know,

939
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 2: I just nothing really jumps out to me from a

940
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 2: what if. I don't think even as good as Oregon

941
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 2: was that year, they lost a couple of games that

942
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 2: they shouldn't have. Well they should have because they lost them,

943
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 2: but they weren't good enough to beat Florida State that season.

944
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 2: So I'm happy that we had Auburn getting the chance,

945
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 2: especially with how they finished out the season to get

946
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 2: a shot at Florida State. Just a bummer if you're

947
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 2: an Auburn fan, obviously that they couldn't close the door.

948
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,479
Speaker 1: Where did Auburn go from here? Well, the next year

949
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 1: eight and five, the year after that, seven and six,

950
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 1: the year after that eight and five again, it wasn't

951
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: until twenty seventeen that they had a double digit win

952
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: season and they finished tenth in the AP Poll. But

953
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: you know, twenty eighteen, eight and five, again, twenty nineteen,

954
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: this past season, nine and four, a good team. Questions

955
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: at quarterback. We talked a lot about the twenty nine

956
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 1: teen team. Fair to say, they have not gotten back

957
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: to that level since the twenty thirteen season. They've had

958
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: some good squads. We've had good players for sure, But

959
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:14,720
Speaker 1: part of I think the consternation around the gust Malson

960
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: era is trying to recapture some of that magic.

961
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 2: Tight It was pretty magical the way they almost beat UCF, though,

962
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 2: that was well, sure there was Pixie dust in what

963
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 2: was that the Peach Bowl a couple of years ago,

964
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 2: so there's that at least. Yeah, No, they haven't really

965
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 2: fully gotten there. They've made their way through coordinators and

966
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 2: I can't even count the stories of Gus Melson calling plays,

967
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 2: not calling plays, retaining play calling duties, taking giving away

968
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:40,720
Speaker 2: play calling duties.

969
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: So the good thing is the defense.

970
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 2: Has solidified for Auburn if that was the concern in

971
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 2: twenty ten and twenty thirteen, which is fair to say,

972
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 2: the defense has become incredible. They are probably they're probably

973
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,240
Speaker 2: just a developed quarterback away from contending for the national

974
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 2: championship again. And you know they were in the SEC

975
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 2: championship game not too long ago. This is a team

976
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:04,760
Speaker 2: that's still there. So great move hiring Gus Malson, even

977
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 2: with the consternation that comes with coaching at Auburn.

978
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: If you're a head coach, final team this show the

979
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen Oregon Ducks. Your Oregon Ducks of note here.

980
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: This is the first year of the playoff. Yes, it

981
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: is first year of the playoffs. So Florida State wins

982
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: the national championship for twenty thirteen, they go into a

983
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: playoff semi final against the Oregon Ducks. They lose. They

984
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: get drilled fifty nine to twenty in the Rose Bowl.

985
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:41,760
Speaker 1: Is an Oregon team that went thirteen and two this season.

986
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: They lost at home at the start of September to

987
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: Arizona and then they went on to lose forty two

988
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:52,919
Speaker 1: to twenty to Ohio State in the National Championship game.

989
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: Really Good Offense fourth according to the SMP. Really Good

990
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: Defense seventeenth according to the SMB. The notable player for

991
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 1: the Oregon Dux this year was Marcus Mariota. Marcus Mariota

992
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 1: was a Frickin' beast. Won the Heisman almost forty five

993
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: hundred yards forty five touchdowns to just four interceptions. He

994
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 1: also rushed for close to eight hundred yards, had another

995
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: sixteen offensive touchdowns, even caught a touchdown. That's how versatile

996
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: he was. He was really the focal point of this team,

997
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 1: and for good reason. He was unstoppable, right, just utterly

998
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:32,399
Speaker 1: unstoppable this year.

999
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the best offense of the Oregon era,

1000
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 2: which you know, the spread, hurry up era, where now

1001
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,479
Speaker 2: no longer in as we watch Oregon sort of become

1002
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 2: more of a power team. But yeah, this was the

1003
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 2: best offense in the country by I think a considerable

1004
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 2: distance in twenty fourteen. Ultimately, though, Oregon and Mark Helfrich

1005
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 2: make a terrible decision. They Nick Aliotti retires after the

1006
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen season. I think they beat Texas in the

1007
00:54:56,080 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 2: Alima Ble in Mac Brown's final game for Texas, and

1008
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 2: Mark Helfrich replaces him with Don Pelham, who is a

1009
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 2: promotion from linebacker coach. Instead of going out and finding

1010
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 2: the best possible candidate, Mark Helfrich goes with continuity instead,

1011
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 2: and defensively, it is disappointing in year one, which is

1012
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 2: the National Championship season, and it turns into a full

1013
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 2: on disaster that culminates in even Brady Hokee failing to

1014
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 2: turn things around at Oregon. But that's in the near

1015
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:30,919
Speaker 2: future stuff. But Oregon rides its offense to this National

1016
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,280
Speaker 2: Championship game. They're probably not as talented as the Florida

1017
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,439
Speaker 2: State team. They trounced, but Florida State was exhausted and

1018
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 2: just not at all on the same page and fully

1019
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 2: willing to give up, and they lose that game.

1020
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: I was there.

1021
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,760
Speaker 2: It was absolutely happening in front of my eyes, Florida

1022
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 2: State giving up and just wanting to leave. So Oregon

1023
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 2: gets the nod to the National Championship game. They meet

1024
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 2: Ohio State, who ultimately run literally pasted Alabama. This is

1025
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 2: the Blake Simms Alabama team, twenty four team. It's Zeke Elliott,

1026
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:05,439
Speaker 2: it's Cardile Jones. Third stringer j T. Barrett gets hurt

1027
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 2: against I think it's Michigan. He gets hurt later on

1028
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 2: in the season, and of course Braxton Miller gets hurt

1029
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 2: before the season even begins, so they're down to their

1030
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 2: third string quarterback and Oregon. What holds them back is

1031
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 2: probably a combination of losing a lot on offense. They

1032
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 2: lose their left tackle before the season starts, so that

1033
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 2: doesn't really fully count because they have the whole season

1034
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 2: to figure out things without him, but they lose their

1035
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 2: starting tight end and they lose three receivers I believe,

1036
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:36,760
Speaker 2: so it's Devin Allen, Darren Carrington to suspension and Braylan

1037
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 2: Addison early on in the season. So they're down a

1038
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,839
Speaker 2: lot of firepower on offense, and defensively they're down their

1039
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 2: best corner who gets hurt in practice after the Rose Bowl,

1040
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 2: and so they're pretty hobbled. But ultimately they don't have

1041
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 2: the dudes on defense after I mean on the line

1042
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 2: they do. They have a couple first round picks on

1043
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 2: the line, but at linebacker. The secondary is just it's

1044
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 2: not you know, they don't have Winter Wonders tie we

1045
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 2: like to say. And so they generate turnovers, they get

1046
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 2: to Cardale Jones enough, but they're not able to string

1047
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 2: together drives. I know they score. I think they jump

1048
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 2: out to a seven to nothing lead. They generate turnovers,

1049
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 2: but they're not ever able to capitalize. And it's just

1050
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 2: Tom Herman and Zeke Elliott over and over and over again.

1051
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: I was there.

1052
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 2: It was not pleasant. If you were there and you

1053
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 2: were an Ohio State fan, I'm sure it had to

1054
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 2: have been incredible. But that was ultimately that's what kept

1055
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,919
Speaker 2: them back is they couldn't tackle in space at all.

1056
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is you know, not to go back to

1057
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,919
Speaker 1: the playoff thing, but this is a super interesting year,

1058
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 1: not just because it was the first year of the playoff,

1059
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: but because of the matchups right right, you had returning

1060
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: national champion Florida State Jameis Winston. You had national championship

1061
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: aspirations for the new Heisman winner in Marcus Mariota. You

1062
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: had on the other side of things in Alabama team

1063
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: that was clearly in the midst of its run, going

1064
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: up against an Ohio State team that was playing its

1065
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: third string quarterback and went on this amazing run at

1066
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: its own right through the end of the regular season,

1067
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 1: the Big Ten Championship, the playoffs, and now into the

1068
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: National Championship. So a lot of interesting storylines that were

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Speaker 1: waiting for us in the first year of the College

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Speaker 1: Football Playoff. The question that I posed to you on

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Speaker 1: our Super Secret chat where did you come down on

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Speaker 1: the twenty ten Oregon team that we talked about a

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Speaker 1: bit ago versus this twenty fourteen team, Because at least

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Speaker 1: if you look up and down the roster, you can

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Speaker 1: make a case that the twenty ten version was an

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Speaker 1: all round, like, more well rounded team, sure, definitely, whereas

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Speaker 1: this twenty fourteen team certainly had some headliners in the

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Speaker 1: form of DeForest Buckner and Royce Freeman who was only

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Speaker 1: a freshman at the time, and Marcus Mariota who went

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Speaker 1: on to great things. But it just felt like, in

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Speaker 1: looking up and down the roster that maybe that twenty

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Speaker 1: ten version was more well rounded. It was just that

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Speaker 1: the high the peaks were higher in twenty fourteen, and

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Speaker 1: perhaps they were hampered a bit by.

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Speaker 2: The likes of Don Pelham. Yeah, I think twenty fourteen

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Speaker 2: was a better team. Defense was never going to fully

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Speaker 2: win Oregon a national championship. It had to be passable,

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Speaker 2: and it was definitely passable. It was actually pretty good

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Speaker 2: in twenty ten and not great in twenty fourteen. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: the fact is the best thing on the field, if

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Speaker 2: you're going to play those two teams against each other,

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Speaker 2: is the twenty fourteen Oregon offense. They have the better

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Speaker 2: results during the season. They don't have as many scares,

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Speaker 2: even though they do lose a game, and the twenty

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Speaker 2: ten team doesn't lose a game.

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Speaker 1: Their highs were just higher.

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Speaker 2: They beat a very good Michigan State team they eventually

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Speaker 2: run away from them, and the twenty ten team doesn't

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Speaker 2: have that kind of non conference and check mark on

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Speaker 2: their schedule, So I think it's twenty fourteen because of

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Speaker 2: Marcus Mariota and what just how just ludicrous that offense

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Speaker 2: was in his fourth season in Eugene, third season as starter,

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Speaker 2: he took a red shirt year. The if you're talking

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Speaker 2: about winter wonders, the absurdity of Marcus Mariota wins out.

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Speaker 1: I think that's right.

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Speaker 2: Okay, is our team though, because I have an answer

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Speaker 2: for a team that I think could have challenged Ohio State. Oh,

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Speaker 2: go ahead, I think that year's TCU team, and I

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Speaker 2: know we had that sixty one to fifty eight loss

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Speaker 2: to Baylor earlier on in the season, and there was

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Speaker 2: that controversy. You know, Ohio State loses early on to

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Speaker 2: Virginia Tech and they ultimately get into the playoff as

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Speaker 2: the number four team over TCU or Baylor, and I

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Speaker 2: get all of that frustration if you're a Baylor fan

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Speaker 2: or a TCU fan. I probably go Frogs here because

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Speaker 2: I think they were good enough on defense that I

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Speaker 2: would have trusted them more against Cardale Jones and Zeke

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Speaker 2: Elliott than I would have Oregon, though ultimately the Ducks undoing,

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Speaker 2: and to have Trevon Boykin to have the type of

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Speaker 2: talent that he had around him. I think they just

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Speaker 2: completely blitzkrieg. Ole missed that season. In the bowl game,

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Speaker 2: it's like forty two to three or something like that.

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Speaker 2: TCU was, they were on a war path, and so

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Speaker 2: that is the answer with as and I thought Ohio

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Speaker 2: State did an amazing job adjusting to the speed of

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Speaker 2: Oregon's offense. Their defensive line was everywhere, their linebackers were everywhere.

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Speaker 2: I still think there's a good chance they beat TCU,

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Speaker 2: just like they beat Oregon. But that's the clear answer

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Speaker 2: to me that year's Frogs not going back to twenty

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Speaker 2: ten because I don't think there is talented I don't

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Speaker 2: think they're as battle tested as the twenty fourteen team was.

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Speaker 2: I'm going TCU. Everybody has a bad day, you give

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Speaker 2: up sixty, that's fine. Ultimately, they still had a really

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Speaker 2: really strong defense. That's the curiosity to me what the

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Speaker 2: Frogs look like, because I know what Baylor looked like

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Speaker 2: when they had a chance to put an exclamation point

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Speaker 2: on the season and they lose. So I'm going to

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Speaker 2: see you here.

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Speaker 1: That TCU team scored forty six and a half points

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Speaker 1: per game and allowed under twenty allowed nineteen per game.

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Speaker 1: A big year for Trevon Boyken almost well he did.

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Speaker 1: He got the thirty nine hundred yards thirty three touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: Josh Doson had a big year that year. Remember him,

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Speaker 1: of course?

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Speaker 2: Interesting, all right, Yeah, Baylor loses one of the weirder games,

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Speaker 2: by the way, in their bowl game, I think it's

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Speaker 2: the Cotton Bowl that season. They lose forty two to

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Speaker 2: forty one. Michigan State comes back. They just decide to

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Speaker 2: completely sell out to stop Baylor on the ground. Baylor

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Speaker 2: finishes with like seven hundred yards through the air and

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Speaker 2: negative forty on the ground.

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Speaker 1: What a weird fun game. So as we look at

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Speaker 1: this grouping here twenty ten, Oregon, twenty eleven, LSU twenty twelve,

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame, twenty thirteen, Auburn twenty fourteen, Oregon, do we

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Speaker 1: take any of them over two thousand and five USC. Yes, so.

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Speaker 2: I probably I probably take the twenty fourteen Oregon team.

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Speaker 2: I probably take the twenty thirteen That Auburn team.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: The defense is tough, but I take good passing team.

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Speaker 2: So I'm not taking Notre Dame. I saw what Oregon

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Speaker 2: was able to do against Pete Carroll better Pete Carroll

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Speaker 2: defenses later on in his tenure, so that has me

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Speaker 2: confident that that sort of spread with the talent that

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Speaker 2: they ultimately built up on offense. I'm gonna say the

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Speaker 2: twenty fourteen Oregon team. I think Gus Malson is able

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Speaker 2: to to with a running quarterback, just like what we

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Speaker 2: saw a weakness of USC's that year, and Nick Marshall,

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Speaker 2: albeit different physically, I think they have a very good chance.

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Speaker 2: And twenty eleven LSU, with how good that defense is,

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Speaker 2: I think they also have a chance. But I'm favoring

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Speaker 2: I think Auburn and Oregon because that defense just did

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Speaker 2: not have the speed to tackle in space and the

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Speaker 2: ability to tackle in space. That was ultimately their undoing

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Speaker 2: against Texas. So I think those are the two teams

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Speaker 2: I think I'm taking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the Oregon and or Auburn. The answer

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Speaker 1: here is interesting just because of how both teams use

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Speaker 1: the quarterback. Both teams played with a lot of tempo

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Speaker 1: right and we're very good at utilizing space, and the

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Speaker 1: defense are used to defending speed. The Reggie Bush would

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Speaker 1: get his against anybody ever, but in terms of what

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Speaker 1: USC had and horsepower wise, on offense. Yes, they would

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Speaker 1: have scored against twenty fourteen Oregon and twenty thirteen Auburn,

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Speaker 1: but there's experience in dealing with speed from those defenses.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I think with those quarterbacks and those offensive

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Speaker 1: systems and those offensive coaches, yeah, they would have put

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Speaker 1: a lot of points on that two thousand and five

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Speaker 1: USC defense. That twenty thirteen Auburn defense was pretty good too.

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Speaker 1: I mean it didn't it didn't necessarily rise to the

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Speaker 1: level of elite when you look at the numbers. I

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Speaker 1: think I had what forty fifth or something in the

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Speaker 1: smp plus. But there were some players on that team.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you have christ they came to play against

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Speaker 1: an all time Florida State team. They did. They had

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Speaker 1: Chris Davis back there, who we talked about with the

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Speaker 1: kick six and led the team in tackles. But again,

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Speaker 1: some really good pass rushers up front who could change

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Speaker 1: the game, who could move the line, and that that

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Speaker 1: would have been an interesting combination to see. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I want to hear from people on this one again.

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Speaker 1: What was that email address at the top. Would you

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Speaker 1: say solid verbal at gmail dot com? Did you say

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Speaker 1: juno or Gmail?

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Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't hear you Gmail or I mean,

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Speaker 2: we can register juneo, but we're not going to check it.

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Speaker 1: Solid verbal at gmail dot com. Let us know your

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Speaker 1: thoughts wherever you're watching this show, listening to the show.

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Speaker 1: Hope you can tell your friends about this. Hope you're

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Speaker 1: staying safe and washing your hands and trying to enjoy

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Speaker 1: the time indoors as much as possible. Who do we

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Speaker 1: got next week final installment? I think it's all Alabama

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Speaker 1: and Clemson.

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Speaker 2: Let's see who we have. So we have Clemson losing

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Speaker 2: the twenty nineteen season national championship, and then we have

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Speaker 2: Alabama losing the twenty eighteen season national championship. Then we

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Speaker 2: have Georgia on the last second losing the twenty seventeen

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Speaker 2: season national championship. Then we again have Alabama losing to

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Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson and Clemson. And the year before that we

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Speaker 2: have Deshaun Watson and Clemson losing to I believe Jake

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Speaker 2: Koker and the Crimson Tide.

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Speaker 1: Wow, so we're going to really be pretty deep with

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Speaker 1: three teams essentially. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. All right, well,

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Speaker 1: all quarantine, all pandemic long. Hopefully we'll have football to

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Speaker 1: talk about soon. But in the meantime, hope you enjoyed

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Speaker 1: this discussion. Dan, It's been fun hungry.

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Speaker 2: Even though we talked about Oregon and Notre Dame losing

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Speaker 2: and embarrassing themselves. I'm still there for.

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Speaker 1: That guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself,

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