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Speaker 1: This was a really good one. And as I told Simon,

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Speaker 1: he was hiding under the surface. Curious, Let's go Hey,

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Speaker 1: stories to tell. There's no matchmaking, a romantic tips. It's

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Speaker 1: ridiculous roles? A production of I Heart Radio. Percy had

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Speaker 1: In a nine nine article from The Evening Star, one

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Speaker 1: Dunnyden resident said about Percy, quote, he was an all

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Speaker 1: man vibes. You know, she shows up on the music Man. Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: But Nsty's dad, George Ottaway, he stayed suspicious. He was like,

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Speaker 1: Percy was fine with this arrangement. He went up to bed. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Bennett and she used this letter from Lucinda Edgar to

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00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 1: get a job as a housekeeper at Mr Cox's house.

424
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: An article from the Otago Witness called quote an artful

425
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: schemer lays out her whole on here, from start to finish.

426
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: First she forges the fake reference, the letter from Loosen

427
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 1: to Edgar saying I'd have been it's the best. Once

428
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: she had the job, she went to a money lender

429
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: and she said there was a piano at Mr Cox's

430
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 1: house that belonged to her, and since her brother was

431
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: in desperate financial straits, she wanted to borrow some money

432
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: against this piano. The money lender was like, oh, no problem,

433
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: I'll write you out a bill of sale. Right now,

434
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 1: but a bill of sale would be registered and that

435
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 1: would you know, let Mr Cox know what was going

436
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: on here. So she was like, oh no, I don't

437
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 1: want Mr Cox to find out about this. He would

438
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: turn me out of the house if he knew. But

439
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 1: I do have a wealthy friend named Mrs Lucinda Edgar

440
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,959
Speaker 1: living in Burnside who will be willing to sign a

441
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 1: promissory note pledging to pay it all back? Is that okay?

442
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 1: And the money lenders like sure loosened to Edgar. She

443
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 1: sounds very wealthy. I'll accept And she ended up getting

444
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 1: from him again it's quite a bit of money back then.

445
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 1: And then she told Mr Cox that her dear friend

446
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 1: Mrs lusen To Edgar was really sick and not expected

447
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: to live, so she was going to go stay with

448
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: her for a few days. And she left him a

449
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: letter like I know I'm leaving and that sucks of me.

450
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: And you've been so good to me, and if you

451
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: need to hire someone new, I completely understand, but I

452
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 1: hope that you'll be good and kind enough to keep

453
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: my position open when I come back. Well. Mr Cox

454
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: is starting to get a little suspicious. He's like, this

455
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: lady's crazy so he asks around Burnside and he discovers

456
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: there's no such person as a Mrs Lusen to Edgar

457
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: living there. So the cops get called. Amy's tracked down,

458
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: and again, thanks to her long record of previous convictions,

459
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 1: she's given the maximum sentence three years penal servitude, but

460
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 1: she gets a few months taken off for good behavior.

461
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: So the whole scheme was us, I'm going to get

462
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: alone and put this piano up as collateral, and all

463
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: that went into this, this whole fake identity, this many letters.

464
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: She probably had to work for the guy for quite

465
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 1: a while, you know, definitely, and like I think too,

466
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 1: there were times where they would go talk to the

467
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 1: postman and wherever these cities were, like Burnside, they would

468
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: go to the Burnside postmaster and be like, hey, you

469
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: got a letter for Lucin to Edgar and they're like, oh, yeah,

470
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: we don't know anyone by that name. So we returned

471
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: all the letters, which of course meant they went to Amy,

472
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: so she was able to respond as the fake person. Anyway,

473
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: It's just insane the amount of letters, Like they talk

474
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: about huge piles of letters that she would write and

475
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: to like keep her frauds going it's just a lot

476
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: of work. It feels like the the extreme hyper version

477
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: of like when middle school kids, like, you know, forge

478
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: a note, Oh he's sick, you can And then some

479
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: they get their friend with a deep voice to answer

480
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: the phone. Oh, yes, this is Mr Jamison. My son

481
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: is very sick today. Come to school for Jamison who

482
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: so Amy gets out of prison in eight two, she

483
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: moves to tim Maru, where she promptly pretends to be

484
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: a wealthy horst who lost her pocketbook. She borrows one

485
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: pound off a school principle, which again that's worth about

486
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: a dred and twenty six pounds today, so she's borrowing

487
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: quite a sum from this like total stranger. And then

488
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: she disappears and she was quickly caught and sentenced to

489
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: a month in prison. And she told the judges that

490
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: she did it because she was really upset that her

491
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: father had died. Except her father was alive and living

492
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: in Melbourne. So maybe that story about her childhood love

493
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: who fell off his horse, and we talked about herlier,

494
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: maybe we don't believe that. I'm not sure that there

495
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: ever was a guy who fell off a horse. In

496
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: three she pawned her landlady's husband's watch, and then she

497
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: committed several other small thefts. She ended up once again

498
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: in prison, this time for six months. Once she got out,

499
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: she moved to Amaru and claimed to have come into

500
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: a big inheritance that she wanted to use to buy

501
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: a six room house to rent out. The second big

502
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: inheritance she borrowed several times from a furniture seller, telling

503
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: him she was planning to spend seventy five pounds furnishing

504
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: this house. She applied for an official membership to the

505
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: Salvation Army, but they found out about her record and

506
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: they said they wouldn't accept her until she had proven

507
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: that she changed her ways, so obviously, her next step

508
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: was to defraud several Salvation Army members out of thirty shillings,

509
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: which is like a little over a pound, by selling

510
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: them tickets to a fake event. Oh you want me

511
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: to prove I changed my ways? Tell you what, I

512
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: got some great tickets to go see the Jamison's tonight.

513
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: So she ran off to Palmerston but was arrested. They're

514
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: brought back and sentenced, this time to four months hard labor.

515
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: She gets out once again, she gets in prison very

516
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: quickly after for not paying her room and board. Damn,

517
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: she's just jack in the box with these prisons. Man,

518
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: she is in and out now. When she was released

519
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: at that point, she was sent to live in a

520
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: house in christ Church, New Zealand for fallen women. You

521
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: know that was run by Catholics, even though she had

522
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: never really been accused or suspected of like promiscuous behavior.

523
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: But they just figured, you know what, you need somebody

524
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on you. You're a hot mess.

525
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: And there is no record of her time at this house,

526
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: but for nearly five years she did not reoffend whatever

527
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: they were doing there. Maybe it helped out some way,

528
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: somehow she could not scam the nuns slapping her. Yeah,

529
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: they were too quick, maybe because they didn't have anything.

530
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: Now they take a valve poverty, so like there's nothing

531
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: to steal. So I guess I'll just cook and hang out.

532
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, sister Mary. I got let her from

533
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: my aunt, who says you need to give me everything

534
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: in your pockets. I gotta let it from God rod here.

535
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: I just sit here and read it. But then in

536
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: nineteen o one, she posed as Miss Sherwin got a

537
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: job as a housekeeper, accumulated large debts and then left

538
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: town and faked Miss Sherwin's death to get out of repay.

539
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: And then a nineteen o two she landed in christ

540
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: Church again under the name of Mary Shannon, and she

541
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: made friends with a well known gardener she like, stayed

542
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: at his house and stuff like that, and she started

543
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: collecting money from all his friends to invest in her

544
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: entirely fake poultry farm. In a nineteen o three article

545
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: from The Evening Post called Remarkable female Swindler, it says

546
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: quote she would supply exact figures of capital and interest,

547
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: terms of mortgage and repayment, et cetera, with as much

548
00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: minuteness of detail as a London financier would display. So

549
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: she was very good at maintaining a guise of respectability

550
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: and everything um. This article also details another swindle where

551
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: she basically she just knew the name of this lady

552
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: who lived in a country township, and she knew this

553
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: lady's son was involved at this bank. And then she

554
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,479
Speaker 1: also knew the name of a tradesman in Wellington who

555
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: knew this lady. So she just conjures up a story

556
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: out of her imagination and she shows up at this

557
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: tradesman's place with a letter from the lady saying, Oh,

558
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: my son has some money missing from his account. Would

559
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: you send the missing twenty pounds to me by way

560
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: of this messenger and the tradesman. And the tradesman immediately

561
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: paid it. Amy rides off into the sunset, and the

562
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: article goes on to say, quote, he was so sensitive

563
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: about the way he had been taken in that he

564
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: never prosecuted for this offense. So apparently Amy got away

565
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: with several of her crimes because people were too embarrassed

566
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: to go to the cops. And Yeah, for some reason,

567
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,240
Speaker 1: I decided to pay this total fucking stranger a bunch

568
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: of money for nothing. Very convincing letter. Okay, but this

569
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: letter you don't understand this. I'm just gonna eat that pounds.

570
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 1: I deserved it. Wow. But with this poultry farm swindle,

571
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: people were not afraid to go to the police. This time,

572
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: she got three years hard labor, but again got some

573
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: time shaved off for good behavior. She was released in

574
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: nineteen o four and she went to live at a

575
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: Salvation Army house in Rakaya, and she found work as

576
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: a housekeeper under the name Amy Chanel until February, she

577
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: was accused of forging a check. Now, uncharacteristically, Amy denied

578
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: doing this. Usually she confessed right away. She always pled

579
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: guilty in court. This time she said it wasn't her

580
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: makes me feel like it probably wasn't know she's a liar,

581
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: but like, she was so frequently honest about their crimes,

582
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: and I'm like, why would she lie this one time? Well,

583
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: whether she was really responsible this time or not, her

584
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 1: record did work against her and she was sentenced to

585
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: three more years in prison once again, time shaved off

586
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: for good behavior. She was released in two and a

587
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: half years. It's just a same cycle, over and over again.

588
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 1: She pops up again in nineteen o seven when she

589
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: became friends with a children's theater company and traveled with

590
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: them to Dunedin, and she did have to commit a

591
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: number of small frauds on the way in order to

592
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: maintain her guys as a patron of this company, Like,

593
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: can you donate some money today? And she's like, give

594
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: me a few minutes to write a letter. Yeah, I've

595
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: got this letter from my uncle saying he's about to

596
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: cut you a huge check. He says, the best thing

597
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: for you to do right now actually it says in

598
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: the letter here that you should give me thirty pounds

599
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 1: and then when he shows up next week, he's going

600
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: to give it back to you. Yeah, no problem, that

601
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: makes sense to me, all right now. In Dunnydin, she

602
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: posed as Agnes Valance and in eight got a job

603
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: as a housekeeper to a nice family called the Roys.

604
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: And they loved her just like everyone did and all

605
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: her past jobs, I mean, just like Percy. She's very charming,

606
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: she's a lovely person. They're like, we trust you, You're

607
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: just a doll, you know what I mean. So when

608
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: the Roy's left for their Christmas trip in December, they

609
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: felt safe leaving everything in Agnes's capable hands, and she

610
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: immediately forged a receipt from Mr Roy saying he had

611
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: sold all his furniture to her, and then turned around

612
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: and used the furniture as collateral for a thirty pound

613
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: loan she got under the name Charlotte's Skevington. Well. Of course,

614
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: when the Roy's returned and found out that all their

615
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: furniture had basically been sold, a warrant was put out

616
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: for Amy's arrest in January of ninety you know nine,

617
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: But by then Amy had found the perfect disguise, Percival

618
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: Leonard Carol Redwood as Percy. She stayed at a respectable

619
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 1: boarding house in Dunnydin and just like a nugget Point,

620
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: everyone loved Percy. She got several people to loan her money,

621
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: including a cab driver, which is that guy who was

622
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: expecting to get a Persian cat from her and let

623
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: me talked about earlier. Um, that guy gave her thirty pounds.

624
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: Another unnamed young lady gave her another forty pounds. So

625
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: she's just a lot of money from these guys. And

626
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: at this point Amy had been imprisoned thirteen times for

627
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: a total of sixteen years and two months. All those

628
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: little sentences really added up. And that is the Percy

629
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: who showed up at Nugget Point to steal money and

630
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: nesty Ottaway's heart. So let's find out what happened with

631
00:37:53,719 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: that right after this commercial break, Welcome back everybody. Well.

632
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: By now, Amy of course had a reputation with the police,

633
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: probably in every city in New Zealand and Australia. I

634
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: think I think she might have lived in every city.

635
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: Her reputation firstly was of being curiously moral, like she

636
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: almost always gave away her ill gotten gains, particularly to

637
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 1: young female servants. According to Jenny Coleman, since her motive

638
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: was rarely monetary gain kind of leads a lot of

639
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: credence to her claims that she had some kind of

640
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: compulsion or mania. Maybe. In that alleged kleptomania article from

641
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 1: the Ottaga Deli Times, she's quoted as telling the police quote,

642
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 1: you will see for yourself if you look into the case,

643
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: that nothing I got has been for myself. The temptation

644
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: has always been give, give, never mind where you got

645
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: the things, you can pay for them by and by.

646
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: So I wonder if she even sometimes thinks in her head,

647
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: I will pay this guy back later, right, Yeah, I

648
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 1: don't know that. There's a lot of malice to her actions. Well,

649
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: and what what does she convince herself? She's got a

650
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: whole different perception. Tell this guy about my aunt's out

651
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: of town. But you know what, I'll just I'll swindle

652
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: of money out of somebody else and I'll pay him

653
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: back with that. She just gets herself into a pattern. Maybe, yeah,

654
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: I say, borrowing from Peter to pay Paul kind of

655
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: she just I wonder if if she if she did

656
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: do that. Ever, he wouldn't hear about it because those

657
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: people wouldn't have reported it. I wonder well. She also

658
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: had a distinguishable pattern to her cons that the police

659
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: were starting to recognize in remarkable female swindler. They write

660
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: quote her stories lacked nothing in plausibility, and she imported

661
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: into them a wealth of natural detail. This, however, was

662
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: not altogether an advantage, as her work was so peculiarly

663
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: her own that the police could generally recognize it. Thus,

664
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: as is not uncommon with great artists, she sometimes suffered

665
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: through her task being too well done. She was so

666
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: good they knew it was hurt that London financier ship, like, oh,

667
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: as soon as we found a really complex scheme, pretty

668
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: sure it's a So when Detective Hunt, who was on

669
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: Amy's case with the Dunedin furniture fraud, heard about all

670
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: these fake relatives, forged letters, small loans and unfulfilled promises,

671
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: he could smell Amy all over it. Do you think

672
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,479
Speaker 1: whenever he was about to crack a case he looked

673
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: up and said, the hunt is on. I hope so

674
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: maybe he as a kid he was like, well, my

675
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: name's Henry Hunt, so I guess I have to either

676
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: become a hunter or a detective. I could either hunt

677
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 1: animals or the most dangerous game. If only it's been

678
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: around when TV was a thing, he could have had

679
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: his own show, on the Hunt, on the Hunt with

680
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,720
Speaker 1: Henry Hunt. Oh my god, I'm ready. So Detective Hunt

681
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: went to the boarding house in Dunedin where Percy had

682
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: been staying, and he found women's clothes in Percy's room. Okay,

683
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: that's some clue. And then he showed a picture of

684
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: Amy two people in Dunningedin who knew her only as Percy,

685
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: and they were able to immediately identify, Oh, that's Percy.

686
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 1: So he took himself off to Nugget Point and arrested

687
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: Amy for fraud. From an article in the nineteen o

688
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: nine Evening Star called Amy Bok's Latest Escapade, it says

689
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: quote Miss Ottaway is said to be sick in bed

690
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 1: after the news was broken to her. No surprise there,

691
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: although her father George has quoted us saying, well, it

692
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: could have been worse. The guy was a girl, but whatever.

693
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: At least she wasn't marrying an actor. Gross would have

694
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: been worse. Maybe it would have been worse if she

695
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: had been legally married to an actual liken Man's and

696
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: he was like, at least she's no, no, we're gonna

697
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: get this marriage anald, and there's I'm done or whatever.

698
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: I don't know, but that's just such a funny question.

699
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: I see George like not even looking up from his newspaper.

700
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: I knew he's something off about him. Now, Amy, as usual,

701
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: confessed immediately. She's just like, I see you know everything.

702
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: I'll go right with you. And she went quietly with

703
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: Detective Hunt to jail. He said, the game is up, Amy,

704
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 1: and she's like, there is. I guess it is. Now

705
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: we go. She's like, how a Detective Hunt. Good to

706
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: see you again. Oh my god, you're still on this

707
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: So okay, Why why this elaborate con Why why fake

708
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: this whole romance with NeSSI and propose? And yeah? Some

709
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: people today have suggested that Amy might be a lesbian

710
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 1: or even a transman, but there's really not much evidence

711
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: to support that. She never intended to stay with Nessie

712
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: after the marriage. In fact, she planned to leave for

713
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: Melbourne for their honeymoon and shake Nessie off along the

714
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: way and then leave her a note explaining the whole

715
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: shamo which you know, in which case, she would have

716
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,959
Speaker 1: abandoned her in Melbourne, you know, in a strange town

717
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 1: without her on the way to Melbourne, not even it

718
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: could have been somewhere totally random, and for Nesty would

719
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: been like, well, how am I supposed to get home?

720
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: All he got his letter finding my husband's a lady.

721
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: I don't know what is going on. But in addition

722
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: to that, the only time that she ever dressed as

723
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: a man was to commit fraud or hide from the

724
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: consequences of her fraud. So Jenny Coleman thinks that it's

725
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: more likely this was just the thrill of the con

726
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: for Amy, like how far she could take it, how

727
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: far she could be believed, you know, like an extreme

728
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: sport for her. Almost Yeah, you know, I wonder if

729
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: I could I wonder if I could convince a woman

730
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: to marry me as this girl. I imagine that Nesty

731
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: maybe got a little flirtatious at some point, and you know,

732
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: she's like as Percy, She's like, Wow, my disguises working great.

733
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: I kind of want to see how far Ago I

734
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 1: could get all the way to a doubt read with Okay,

735
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: Eventually she's like, what if I asked her to marry me?

736
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be so funny? Hey girl, would you marry me?

737
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: And she's like, okay, oh shit, she said, yes, that

738
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: was dumb. I guess we're having a wedding. I don't

739
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: know what I am about to take off my clothes.

740
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 1: I guess I'm sleeping in my tuxedo right, which, by

741
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: the way, how lucky? Or do you think it was

742
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: even her suggestion, like, well, you know, I haven't proved

743
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: my money yet, so maybe you should make us sleep

744
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: in separate rooms. I wondered that too. I don't know

745
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: if it was her suggestion or if she was just

746
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: super relieved that he suggested that. I like to think

747
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: speculation station. She went to the dad and said, how

748
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: how dare you let an unproven man with open debts

749
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 1: stay in the same room as your daughter. I wouldn't

750
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: want a father in law like you. And he was like,

751
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: oh my god, goodness, well you better sleep in separate rooms.

752
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: That's more like you, Percy. I'd hate to disappoint you.

753
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: Whatever you want. It's such a stand up guy. And again,

754
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,439
Speaker 1: in addition to all this behavior, her schemes never really

755
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: benefited her or sometimes even anyone, Like those coffins nobody

756
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: got anything out of that. It's just hilarious, just the

757
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: thrill of the lie for Amy, you know, figuring out

758
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,879
Speaker 1: the story, acting the part to get her, just trying

759
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: to see what she can get away with rather than

760
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: you know, the stuff for the money that she got

761
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: out of it. Sometimes and I get it because I'll

762
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: tell you, hearing the story, there is a part of

763
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: me deep down inside that's like I want to try this.

764
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: I mean, you know I wouldn't. I'm not a very

765
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: good I'm not going to keep in a lot of

766
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: lies together in my head, but I could totally see

767
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: how it would be. Um, you know, we all like

768
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: to be good at something, and I think she was

769
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 1: really good at this, and she just felt good doing

770
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: it because she's like, I'm good at it. And then

771
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 1: she maybe felt like because I give it away, I'm

772
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: not a bad person because so like people are getting

773
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: hurt there, you know trades, people are losing money and

774
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 1: people losing their savings and I don't know if they

775
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: have recouped that or what happened with the money. But

776
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 1: like she felt like she wasn't a bad person because

777
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: she was giving it away, So I'm okay in the

778
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: long run or something. I feel like I could do it. Well.

779
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: I'm very good at keeping many lies up in the

780
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: air at once, and I don't care about people's feelings

781
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: or anything like. I'm just so lazypath in that way. Yeah,

782
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:26,720
Speaker 1: it's just a lazy sociopath. I'm so glad. The worst kind,

783
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: motivated sociopaths scary. Oh yeah, I guess the lazy sociopath

784
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: is the best kind, the only kind you can live with.

785
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: Trust me. Well. The day after Percy was arrested, the

786
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 1: press got ahold of the story, and they probably ran

787
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: out of inc they got so many headlines after it.

788
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: Of course, this is a big, funny, hilarious thing, that

789
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: this lady was just like a man and stuff like that.

790
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: It's like the story of the century. In fact, she

791
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: was so ubiquitous in the headlines that one anonymous person

792
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,760
Speaker 1: was so fed up they sent a very long poem

793
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 1: about how sick and tired they were of Amy Boch

794
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,919
Speaker 1: to the Observer, where it was published in full May nine,

795
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: o nine. And it is hilarious, so funny, But it

796
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: is like five minutes long. So we'll finish up the

797
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: story here, but please stick around at the end. Of

798
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: the show, we will redo the entire lugubrious lament. So

799
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: Amy went to trial at the end of May nineteen

800
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: o nine to face two counts of false pretenses, one

801
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: of forgery and one for making a false declaration under

802
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: the Marriage Act. So this is not only for the

803
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: sham wedding but also that furniture fraud back in Dunedin

804
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: where she sold all her employers furniture. Um. She was

805
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: sentenced to two years hard labor. And at this point

806
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: she was also finally declared an habitual criminal um, which

807
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: I'm starting to think you might do this again fulls

808
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: not time UM. That basically meant that she would be

809
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: detained in prison until quote such a time as the

810
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,720
Speaker 1: governor is convinced that she can be granted her liberty

811
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 1: with perfect safety to the public immediately. I'm Amy's uncle,

812
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: Jamison the second, and I think she's great. She's gonna

813
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: be fine that around immediately, Yours very sincere, and if

814
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: you could drop on your way out back next week,

815
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: don't worry, I'm good for it. According to the New

816
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 1: Zealand Geographic, Amy is the first woman in New Zealand

817
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: to be classified and a bit of criminal and apparently

818
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: at this trial that Ottaways put in a petition to

819
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: the judge for leniency on Amy. Now that tells you

820
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 1: how likable she was in my opinion. Like, they're straight up, like,

821
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: we still have to petition the Supreme Court to and

822
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 1: all our daughter's marriage to you. But you're just such

823
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: a nice guy, I mean, lady, go easy on him,

824
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: I mean her. Wow, oh my god. Also, you know,

825
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: congratulations women for breaking the glass ceiling of habitual criminal criminality. Now,

826
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: that same year, in June, Nessie Ottaway petitioned the Supreme

827
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: Court to a null her marriage like we said, and

828
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: of course they did right away. In nineteen ten, she

829
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: married a stock inspector and widower twenty years older than herself. Now.

830
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: He died in nineteen eighteen, and in nineteen seven Nessie

831
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: married again to a soldier that she'd known since he

832
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 1: was a young boy in their childhood. During the trial,

833
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: many of the people Amy had defrauded cashed in on

834
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,240
Speaker 1: the craze around her name, and they auctioned off Amy's

835
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 1: wedding suit and Nessie's engagement ring to recoup their losses.

836
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: I love the whole town coming together, holding up the Hey,

837
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,280
Speaker 1: let's get paid back by selling this ship. All right, everyone,

838
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: bring me your receipt. We'll put the numbs down. We'll

839
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: see what we can get. I've got four letters from

840
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: Amy's ants. Got bad news for you. Amy also sold

841
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,240
Speaker 1: some things to pay her lawyers, but her lawyers donated

842
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: most of their feet and nessy, that was nice of them, right.

843
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 1: An article called Amy Bok's Latest Escapade, published in The

844
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: Evening Star in nineteen nine, spends a whole paragraph talking

845
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: about how Amy looked so much like a man that

846
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 1: she could have deceived anyone. They even kind of sound

847
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: like a little mad about It made us sort of laugh,

848
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: so we wanted to read most of this letter here. Quote.

849
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: Men without knowledge of her identity would not have taken

850
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: the dapper individual and bridegroom gray to be a woman.

851
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 1: Many women, indeed, have turned eager eyes on less attractive men,

852
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: and this woman are tired as a man. The way

853
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: she had her hands sunk into the pockets of a

854
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: light gray overcoat was the way of a man. She

855
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: walked with the slight stoop of the scholar, but with

856
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: a firm tread. The back of her head was a man's,

857
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 1: from the back rim of a colored cat placed jauntily

858
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: on the head to the collar of the overcoat. Her

859
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: hair was shorn like that of a man on parade

860
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 1: or that of a man who gets his sixpence worth

861
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 1: from the barber every time. In a word, the woman

862
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: was a man. Her walk was not womanly. Most men

863
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: know how women walk, and this woman walked more like

864
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: a man fond of easy fitting trousers. Altogether, one could

865
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 1: easily understand why women have been deceived by this woman.

866
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 1: As showing how men were deceived, it is interesting to

867
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: mention that the bridegroom was measured and suited at the

868
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: New Zealand clothing factory, and although her petite form required

869
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: nothing more than thirteen and a half for collars and shirts,

870
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: no one suspected anything amiss, not even the measurer. I

871
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: I am obsessed with this paragraph. They go on and

872
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: on about the most random characteristics that an assigning gender

873
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: to the way you walk or the way her hands

874
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 1: in your pockets, and they're like the back of her

875
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: head was a man. She was even wearing a hat

876
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: like the What was I supposed to think? I mean,

877
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 1: she had a overcoat on. I can always tell me.

878
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: This article also goes on to say, quote the accused,

879
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: it might be mentioned, is a very temperate woman. She

880
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: never drinks, but on the day of her wedding, in

881
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: order to play her part, she took seven whiskeys, which

882
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 1: she says nearly killed her. Oh no, that's right, whiskey

883
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: nearly kills me right now. Well, she was really committed

884
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: to the part dairy committed. She was ready to drink

885
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: the funk out of whatever I'm like. Well, she had

886
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: fallen down, no wonder, she crawled into bed and her

887
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: suit she has probably wasted. Amy spent two more years

888
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: in jail, and when she was released in nineteen eleven,

889
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 1: she moved to Mocow, where, according to a biography written

890
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: by Fiona Farrell, she quote organized any entertainments and plays

891
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: and was the life of the district. In November of

892
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 1: nineteen fourteen, Amy got married. This time, as the papers

893
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: were careful to point out as the bride, she married

894
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: a Swedish guy named Charles Edward Christofferson, and according to

895
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: Fiona Farrell, they parted within a year because of Amy's debts,

896
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: but in a headstuff dot org article called Amy Bach

897
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: the feminine bridegroom by Kieran Conliffe. It says that he

898
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 1: was a heavy drinker who abandoned her after a couple

899
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: of years and left her destitute. Yeah, I'm not sure

900
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: which is accurate. There's a very different stories right right,

901
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 1: with very different feelings on my part right now. Either way,

902
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: she was still up to her old tricks. In nineteen

903
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: seventeen she was fined twenty pounds for theft, and then

904
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: she moved to Hamilton's And in nineteen thirty one she

905
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: faced five charges of obtaining money through false pretenses. That

906
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: that old. She loves charge false pretenses, that's her way

907
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: of life. She was seventy one years old at that point,

908
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: so they just sentenced hearted two years of probation on

909
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,399
Speaker 1: the condition that she lived in a Salvation Army home

910
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: for the elderly. Now, Amy died in the year nineteen

911
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: forty three, and weirdly, she is in an unmarked grave

912
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: in a Puka Cohe cemetery. Yeah, considering how obsessed everyone

913
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: was with her story, it's odd to me that they

914
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't mark her grave. But maybe we've heard before. I

915
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,240
Speaker 1: can't remember who I'm thinking of, but I've heard before

916
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 1: about people who were marked who were buried in unmarked

917
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 1: graves so that people didn't go flock to them and

918
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: desecrated and like turn it into a whole tourist site.

919
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 1: It's like almost more respectful, like let's let this woman

920
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 1: lay in peace here, Like who knows if we put

921
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: her name on it, someone's going to steal the tombstone

922
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: down the road? Did she die in or did a

923
00:54:55,320 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 1: letter say she did so? Sorry? Amy spec reulation station.

924
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 1: Amy Bach was a con the whole time. She's actually

925
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: Jamison two of Wellington alive and well sheep farmer who

926
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,439
Speaker 1: who put on this whole ruse of a con artist, wow,

927
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: just to see if he could, to see if he

928
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:25,240
Speaker 1: could Percy was the real one all along. Oh my god,

929
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: I love this story. Amy Bach is insane and so interesting,

930
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: like against this sort of robin Hood tendencies, all of

931
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: these tiny I mean tiny is not really accurate because

932
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: it's still in the thousands of dollars, but they're still

933
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: pretty small cons. She usually didn't keep anything, like, she

934
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of money or wealth herself. She

935
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: just seemed and she was such a good like people

936
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: loved her. They were just like I want to be

937
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: your friend. I just think that's so interesting. So thank

938
00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: you again to Simon for this suggestion. This was a

939
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: really fun research project, really fun story to hear about,

940
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: and I love doing my terrible exits. I think it

941
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: improved throughout the episode. I know it did, but then

942
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: I also probably got worse sometimes, who knows. Look, this

943
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,439
Speaker 1: story ain't over. We have a very very fun poem,

944
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: important poem to read. So let's all go down to

945
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: poetry Corner and hear the letter that this anonymous person

946
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: sent to a newspaper called the Irrepressible Amy b a

947
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 1: lugubrious lament. Oh listen to my tearful and kindly wipe

948
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: a weep away. But watch please that you do not

949
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 1: say Amy Bach, for Oh, that name has got me down,

950
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 1: gives rise to a ferocious frown. This name obsesses all

951
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:53,879
Speaker 1: the town Amy Bach. The daily papers Philip space by

952
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 1: reproducing Amy's face and everywhere these words you trace Amy Buck.

953
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 1: They publish with ecstatic glee, long yarns about her pedigree.

954
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: Their whole contents appear to be Amy back. They serve

955
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: up columns every day detailing Amy's winning way. They metaphorically

956
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: flay Amy Bach her past career in lurid light they

957
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: placed before the public site. They don't at all object

958
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: to slight, Amy Bach. Those thrones may totter, Empire's fault,

959
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 1: The pestilence abroad may crawl. The dailies put before them

960
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 1: all Amy Buck, the weighty cable, Graham's intrude. The dailies

961
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: think it would be rude because of these things to

962
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: exclude Amy Back. When in the car you chance to ride,

963
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: it makes you feel like homicide to hear folk mutter

964
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: loud with pride, Amy Bach. And even when you pay

965
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: your fare, the conductor, with a far off stair exclaims,

966
00:57:56,680 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: as you are well aware, Amy Bach. Again in desperations,

967
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: say you go perchance to see the play the Prose

968
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: Dragon in subtle way, Amy Bark. So there you find

969
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: no rest or cure. It adds to pains that you

970
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: endure to find. They've named the overture, Amy Bark. To

971
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: seek relief, We'll say, maybe you go a fishing on

972
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: the sea to banish with celerity, Amy Bark, tis unavailing.

973
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: All the same, you feel well, anything but tame to

974
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 1: meet a yacht that owns the name Amy Bach in

975
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: frantic frenzy neath the strain you go to save your

976
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: toppering brain a modest stimulant to drain Amy Bark, unless

977
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: you feel you're doubly banned to find tis more than

978
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: you can stand that they've renamed your favorite brand Amy Bark.

979
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: You go to buy a Sunday tie. The shopman looks

980
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: you in the eye and answers, yes, sir, will you

981
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: try Amy Boch, And with insinuating smile, he says, it

982
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 1: is the latest style. We've named it as tis free

983
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: from guile Amy Bok. When traveling on a railway train,

984
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: you find tis absolutely vain to try and banish from

985
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 1: your brain Amy Bark. For as the wheels go round

986
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 1: and round, and even in the pistons pound, you hear

987
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 1: but one incessant sound, a buck again for sweet relief.

988
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: To search, you pay a visit to a church, attempting

989
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: to leave in the lurch Amy bach alas you find

990
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 1: no antidote, because the organs every note drones out the

991
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: words as if by rote Amy Balk again in horror,

992
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: off you fly with murder gleaming in your eyes, and

993
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:03,919
Speaker 1: there he fears deeds. If you've got nigh Amy Bok good,

994
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: then on your homeward way you steer, but when you

995
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 1: get there, sad and drear, these fatal words fall on

996
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 1: your ear. Amy Buck, the very household cat can do

997
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 1: not else but sit and sadly mew yowling, or so

998
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 1: it seems to you, Amy Back. And in the rooster,

999
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 1: scornful crow. There seems to be that name you know

1000
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 1: too well, that name that makes you low, Amy Bo.

1001
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: You're sitting quietly on your own, thinking or grief with

1002
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 1: piteous moan, when loudly resounds the telephone, Amy Book, who's there?

1003
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: In fearful? Are you? Shout? A voice replies, I say,

1004
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 1: no doubt you've heard the latest news about Amy Book.

1005
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 1: Ray off you, savagely reply, says young sweet Central. Oh my,

1006
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: your language is enough to try, Amy Bach. You really

1007
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 1: mustn't talk so hush. You're making all the Central blush

1008
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: with muttered curse away you brush Amy Back. The town

1009
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: clocks chimes when out they ring, calls you to swear

1010
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 1: like anything, because it seems as if they sing me

1011
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: and talk of singing. Twon't be long before we'll get

1012
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: although tis wrong. The very latest comic song Amy Back

1013
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: and Amy's face and figure fair on picture postcards everywhere,

1014
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 1: spread abroad. You cannot scare amy Bach. The postman calls,

1015
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 1: Do you think he's got important letters? He has not,

1016
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 1: tis but a postcard. Oh great Scott amy Bach. On

1017
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 1: land and sea, on earth and air. Yes, oh, creation

1018
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 1: everywhere is saying to that fact, you'd swear Amy Buck.

1019
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: And in the rustle of the trees, and born upon

1020
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 1: a balming breeze, is but one sound which doesn't please

1021
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: amy Ba. From Cape Maria to the bluff, the only talk,

1022
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: and quite enough is all the same unnerving stuff, Amy Buck.

1023
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 1: Wherever you bend your weary feet you get this same

1024
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:37,959
Speaker 1: most doubtful treat Oh, nothing that you know can beat

1025
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 1: amy Bach. Oh, legislation should be framed without delay, or

1026
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 1: so disclaimed to quickly suppress this subject named amy Back.

1027
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 1: If not, tis easier to foresee that unto all eternity,

1028
01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 1: this only topic there will be Amy Buck the end.

1029
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 1: That is seriously, like Hark the Raven series, this is

1030
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: a man at the end of his rope who could

1031
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 1: not take one more article. This is how I felt

1032
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 1: about Johnny Depp and Amber Heard. I was definitely thinking

1033
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 1: that as I was typing it out. Oh my god,

1034
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: this guy, this is amazing. It is so long. He

1035
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 1: really could not for it stop. He was like, and more,

1036
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 1: there's more to say, And if I hear this name

1037
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 1: one more goddamn time, the postman comes Like this man

1038
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 1: is going fully nuts. I love. I also love that

1039
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 1: they printed it in full the amount of space this day,

1040
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 1: because it's the greatest poem of a Zealand generation. He

1041
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 1: really is is. I do love the stanza where he says, Oh,

1042
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 1: we're going to get a comic song, and I'm like,

1043
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: aren't you writing that right now? That? Yeah, He's like,

1044
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 1: look what you made me do. Here we are singing

1045
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: my comic song. What a beautiful I wish it weren't anonymous,

1046
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 1: I know, I want. I want to credit. This person

1047
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 1: deserves to be in the in the poetry books, just

1048
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 1: like a weird owl. It's it's brilliant. It's so brilliant.

1049
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 1: I love, and I'm so glad I found it. It

1050
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 1: was linked in the head Stuff article that we used

1051
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 1: as a source, and I'm so happy that I went

1052
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 1: and looked at it because just cracked me up the

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